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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I haven't fact checked this, but according to the spectator, nine countries (out of 27) make up 97% of the surplus the eu has with us, and just four make up 73%.
Which suggests most eu states don't need us... Even if you believe the eu as a whole does.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They needed our contribution though.  the biggest after germany."
The EU would prefer we stay. Of course.
But the whole they need us more is a joke. No one can even believe it can they? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"They needed our contribution though. the biggest after germany."
France will have mixed feelings. It pays almost a billion euros towards the cost of the UK rebate - money it won't have to pay in future.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"They needed our contribution though. the biggest after germany.
France will have mixed feelings. It pays almost a billion euros towards the cost of the UK rebate - money it won't have to pay in future.
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It does not change the fact that we are the second net contributor and france ,germany, italy and the netherlands will be paying more to make up for the shortfall. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I have no doubt the EU will be weaker.
(Which is why Trump and Putin are such big fans of Brexit)
But this is not a zero sum game.
The UK will be immeasurably weaker, too.
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Yes, the EU will be weaker but the UK will unfortunately be even more so but a lot of people seem happy with that as long as their doing a bit of damage to the EU. |
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The sad tragedy was anyone who believed it. UK contributions paid in part, for all of the trade agreements that came via its membership. That investment flushed away and now UK taxpayers have to pay again for new trade agreements to be created again. Brexiteer money wasting again. Until then, you'll pay more for goods.
Still, the UK gets to contribute further to the EU, for its financial obligations, so that it can then start trade negotiations with it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The sad tragedy was anyone who believed it. UK contributions paid in part, for all of the trade agreements that came via its membership. That investment flushed away and now UK taxpayers have to pay again for new trade agreements to be created again. Brexiteer money wasting again. Until then, you'll pay more for goods.
Still, the UK gets to contribute further to the EU, for its financial obligations, so that it can then start trade negotiations with it. "
That's exactly it!
Leavers only looked at what we phisically paid in and what we phisically got back and threw their arms up in dismay totally ignoring or not understanding what benefits we got through shared membership costs of so many organisations and trade agreements. |
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"They needed our contribution though. the biggest after germany."
I am fairly sure that France has a higher contribution both net and as a % of GDP. Also, Italy arent far behind. Not suprising consider ing we have one of the latest economies and highest populations.
The UKs net contribution is 9bn and the EU population without the UK is 450m. That works out that every EU citizen needs to pay an extra £20. Do they really NEED our contribution?
Given in the UK it is expected that due to tariffs, food prices alone will increase our annual shopping bill by £200+ a year who is going to be worse off? |
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The EU likes the UK, they would prefer the UK to stay, some EU countries make money from the UK a lot are happy for the UK to make money from them. The EU as a whole would be over the moon for the UK to stay.
But "need"?
No they dont need the UK. As mentioned above the UK contribution although generous is actually small compared to the size of the EU.
There are 5 countries waiting to join the EU, Turkey, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Albania, Serbia.
The unification of Ireland and Northern Ireland would increase size, the unification of Romania and Moldova would increase its size, Scotland leaving the UK would increase its size.
Now I know that the UK would not like Turkey in the EU when they were part of the EU. However there are slimmers of signs that the turkish people may be fed up with the path they are on and might be ready for a more western world path.
But think of it, one agreement and the EU increases by 80 million people.
How long would it take the UK to increase its population by 80 million? |
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"Bosnia and Herzegvina is another seeking to join. But I think Turkey is a million miles from being compliant with the EU core values that are a condition of membership."
Only cause Erdogan is in power, all of his potential successors are talking about gay rights, easing tensions, and saying all the right things that the EU wants to hear. Istanbul has cut funding to Erdogan, etc because he replaced some Kurdish elected people with state officials. They recently cut the powers available to him etc.
Not saying it will happen tomorrow, Just saying they are making moves in the right direction, and it can't be ruled out as an opportunity.
I mean its possible that more countries could leave the EU, but that does not seem likely. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bosnia and Herzegvina is another seeking to join. But I think Turkey is a million miles from being compliant with the EU core values that are a condition of membership.
Only cause Erdogan is in power, all of his potential successors are talking about gay rights, easing tensions, and saying all the right things that the EU wants to hear. Istanbul has cut funding to Erdogan, etc because he replaced some Kurdish elected people with state officials. They recently cut the powers available to him etc.
Not saying it will happen tomorrow, Just saying they are making moves in the right direction, and it can't be ruled out as an opportunity.
I mean its possible that more countries could leave the EU, but that does not seem likely."
So if Turkey bring themselves forward and meet the standards for the EU. What would be the issue with them joining? |
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"So if Turkey bring themselves forward and meet the standards for the EU. What would be the issue with them joining?"
None, at all. I think most countries other than the UK are optimistic of that happening one day.
The main problem is under their current president they are a million miles away from reaching EU standards as a country. It can likely never happen under him.
However Istanbul has taken the matter into its own hands, and is now moving to meet EU standards on its own. Which would speed up the countries entrance into the EU should their president change to someone else.
Its just when you talk about what the EU needs, and you think about the UK leaving, and how bad it will hurt the EU, some thought should be given to possible entrants to the EU who could benefit the EU equal to, or more than the UK's exit. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Ask French people ...they would also vote leave ...frexit will be in the next election to get rid of ratman x"
Voting to leave the eu because you don't like domestic politics. Daft.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ask French people ...they would also vote leave ...frexit will be in the next election to get rid of ratman xVoting to leave the eu because you don't like domestic politics. Daft. "
Daft, but as we've seen from brexit. It happens. Look how easy it was to blame the EU for everything that was the fault of successive UK governments.
There's no hope in hell that France will see this act of self harm and think - that looks great.
Plus their population is much more clued in on what the EU is, what they do and how it works. So will be much more difficult to fool them into any such thing. |
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"Bosnia and Herzegvina is another seeking to join. But I think Turkey is a million miles from being compliant with the EU core values that are a condition of membership.
Only cause Erdogan is in power, all of his potential successors are talking about gay rights, easing tensions, and saying all the right things that the EU wants to hear. Istanbul has cut funding to Erdogan, etc because he replaced some Kurdish elected people with state officials. They recently cut the powers available to him etc.
Not saying it will happen tomorrow, Just saying they are making moves in the right direction, and it can't be ruled out as an opportunity.
I mean its possible that more countries could leave the EU, but that does not seem likely.
So if Turkey bring themselves forward and meet the standards for the EU. What would be the issue with them joining?"
Turkey will never join the eu while cyprus are members they would veto it every time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We will see ...with the yellow jackets and miss la penn joining forces ...midget man will get his kick in the gonads sooner than he thinks"
Aren't the yellow Jackets left wing in France? Making them
unlikely to join forces with Le Pen.
They want a more transparent government and less austerity. Not a bunch of neo Nazis. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bosnia and Herzegvina is another seeking to join. But I think Turkey is a million miles from being compliant with the EU core values that are a condition of membership.
Only cause Erdogan is in power, all of his potential successors are talking about gay rights, easing tensions, and saying all the right things that the EU wants to hear. Istanbul has cut funding to Erdogan, etc because he replaced some Kurdish elected people with state officials. They recently cut the powers available to him etc.
Not saying it will happen tomorrow, Just saying they are making moves in the right direction, and it can't be ruled out as an opportunity.
I mean its possible that more countries could leave the EU, but that does not seem likely.
So if Turkey bring themselves forward and meet the standards for the EU. What would be the issue with them joining?
Turkey will never join the eu while cyprus are members they would veto it every time. "
Turkey would never join the EU if just one member state said no and that goes for every other possible nation that applied to join so that shows how easy it is to say no to another state joining unlike that prick Farage scaring the easily led that Turkey is joining and footprints of 80 million Turks coming to the UK. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"The true figure of the return on the EU membership payment is the portion of GDP derived from business that relies on integrated European markets.
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which as an irony means that we have put less into the pot over the last couple of years because the UK economy has now slowed to be the lowest in the EU... and the drop in the value of the pound against the Euro... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Ask French people ...they would also vote leave ...frexit will be in the next election to get rid of ratman x"
the only people pushing for that in france is marine le pens ultra nationalist party....
hearing you suggest that makes so much sense.... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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So if Turkey bring themselves forward and meet the standards for the EU. What would be the issue with them joining?"
there are 25 different measures and criteria any country have to meet to be eligible to join the EU....... Turkey have hit exactly 1 of them!!!!
Leave.eu played a blinder scaring people into thinking turkey would join and they would all come over here.... not even close |
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"Ask French people ...they would also vote leave ...frexit will be in the next election to get rid of ratman x
the only people pushing for that in france is marine le pens ultra nationalist party....
hearing you suggest that makes so much sense...."
Isn’t left wing Jean-Luc Mélenchon looking in favour of it also ?
Strange that your a little light on the truth mate |
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The french protests had nothing to do with the EU. They were originally about an increase in fuel duty. Which affected the people in the country more than those in urban places. French farmers will not want to leave the EU. Obviously as the protests continued it attracted other groups left wing anacists and right wing anti immigrant groups etc. The one thing is certain is i doubt any other country will leave the eu after the mess we have made of it. |
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