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"Didn't Johnson call Macron a "turd"? Does that translate in French? I think it is slang for a big jobby." Well he has got one thing right then about 65% of the french think the same. | |||
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"Hope big Boris...clumps the little weasel..." Really...You brexiturds are all about violence when you don’t get your own way..  | |||
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"Now u are reducing things to your level ....can't even have a laugh now with u remainders....go on bojo ko the rat ...oh have I offended you snowy" Have a laugh with a remoaner ive never heard such a thing.Why do you think they are all worried about medicines getting to the uk? its because they are worried about their anti depressants. | |||
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"Hope big Boris...clumps the little weasel..." Did your brain stutter for a moment there? | |||
"Now u are reducing things to your level ....can't even have a laugh now with u remainders....go on bojo ko the rat ...oh have I offended you snowyHave a laugh with a remoaner ive never heard such a thing.Why do you think they are all worried about medicines getting to the uk? its because they are worried about their anti depressants. "Remainer here No anti depressants no prescription drugs Nope clean as whistle As for good for laugh 
Im a bundle of fun
Hows that brexy bigot
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"Well, I know which one I'd rather see without their clothes on "Boris | |||
"Now u are reducing things to your level ....can't even have a laugh now with u remainders....go on bojo ko the rat ...oh have I offended you snowyHave a laugh with a remoaner ive never heard such a thing.Why do you think they are all worried about medicines getting to the uk? its because they are worried about their anti depressants.
Remainer here
No anti depressants no prescription drugs
Nope clean as whistle
As for good for laugh
Im a bundle of fun
Hows that brexy bigot
"Glad to hear it we need more like you in this forum. | |||
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"Correct me if I'm wrong .it is the UK that want to leave ... Well boris .come up with a plan .the backstop stays" The backstop was his plan. Now he's changed his mind. Fuck knows what he wants. | |||
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"Correct me if I'm wrong .it is the UK that want to leave ... Well boris .come up with a plan .the backstop stays The backstop was his plan. Now he's changed his mind. Fuck knows what he wants." Are you sure it was his idea ? | |||
"Correct me if I'm wrong .it is the UK that want to leave ... Well boris .come up with a plan .the backstop stays The backstop was his plan. Now he's changed his mind. Fuck knows what he wants." The backstop was not his plan fuck knows what papers you read. | |||
"Correct me if I'm wrong .it is the UK that want to leave ... Well boris .come up with a plan .the backstop stays The backstop was his plan. Now he's changed his mind. Fuck knows what he wants. Are you sure it was his idea ?" Cummings? | |||
"Correct me if I'm wrong .it is the UK that want to leave ... Well boris .come up with a plan .the backstop stays" Where did you get that information? Getting facts correct is important especially when used for your own agenda of putting someone down or using it as an argument for your position. This may help. "The backstop was born on 8 November 2017. It entered the world weighing just 66 words, one bullet point of six at the bottom of a "working paper" circulated that morning by Michel Barnier's team to officials from the 27 member states." Tony Connelly. Europe editor | |||
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"The backstop was not his plan fuck knows what papers you read." He was Foreign Secretary when the Cabinet signed up to it at the conclusion of the phase one talks. | |||
"He teased something today.... under no circumstances would the UK put checks or controls on the Ireland-UK border. " Until the first jihadi or paddy crosses it bearing gifts | |||
"He teased something today.... under no circumstances would the UK put checks or controls on the Ireland-UK border. Until the first jihadi or paddy crosses it bearing gifts" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. | |||
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" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks." No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. | |||
"The backstop was not his plan fuck knows what papers you read. He was Foreign Secretary when the Cabinet signed up to it at the conclusion of the phase one talks. " What the job he resigned from? i dont care how you try to spin it,it wasnt his plan. | |||
"Well, I know which one I'd rather see without their clothes on "I don't know, seeing bojo side on, on all 4's with JRM (also naked but looking at the camera) firmly pumping his arse while passing some comment about keeping the lower (immigrant) orders in their place could be entertaining... | |||
"He teased something today.... under no circumstances would the UK put checks or controls on the Ireland-UK border. Until the first jihadi or paddy crosses it bearing gifts" Jihadi crossing from where to where ? | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. " So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border " TBH it never was on the table. It was scare lingering talk by those just talking gossip on media to scare the masses into thinking that it'll all go back to what it was like 30 yrs ago. It's impossible to do as all involved knew. Even during the height of the troubles when it would have been a conceivable need it couldnt be done. | |||
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" Even during the height of the troubles when it would have been a conceivable need it couldnt be done. " Go google border posts during the troubles and you might get a surprise what a militarised border looks like in the United Kingdom. | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border " I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. " Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland | |||
" Even during the height of the troubles when it would have been a conceivable need it couldnt be done. Go google border posts during the troubles and you might get a surprise what a militarised border looks like in the United Kingdom. " Don't need Google. First hand experience is more accurate. If you lived here you'd also know how impossible it was to control. There were many roads that crisscrossed the boarders unmanned. | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border " Easy words for a complicated situation. It will be impossible under international law for there not to be a border between two jurisdictions who are on a path regulatory divergence. Yes, it may be possible to wing it for a few weeks until the UK starts to burn up EU regulatory alignment. Even the WTO won’t accept that. | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland "
A question to everyone, why would they? | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border Easy words for a complicated situation. It will be impossible under international law for there not to be a border between two jurisdictions who are on a path regulatory divergence. Yes, it may be possible to wing it for a few weeks until the UK starts to burn up EU regulatory alignment. Even the WTO won’t accept that." Don't forget agreements signed prior to any EU appearing which never removed nor superceded them. Part of the real pressure for the hard boarder is from EU. They want to have a say in the boarder between Ireland and UK. They can't conceive that these two countries having trade without they're say. | |||
"The backstop was not his plan fuck knows what papers you read. He was Foreign Secretary when the Cabinet signed up to it at the conclusion of the phase one talks. What the job he resigned from? i dont care how you try to spin it,it wasnt his plan." Yeah that's all I meant. It wasn't his plan. But it was put forward with his support as foreign secretary. "His plan" was bad wording on my behalf. But I stand by the "fuck knows what his plan is now" comment. | |||
"The backstop was not his plan fuck knows what papers you read. He was Foreign Secretary when the Cabinet signed up to it at the conclusion of the phase one talks. What the job he resigned from? i dont care how you try to spin it,it wasnt his plan." The phase one agreement, including the backstop, was agreed in late 2017. Johnson was the Foreign Secretary of the Cabinet that signed it off. He resigned in July 2018. | |||
"The backstop was not his plan fuck knows what papers you read. He was Foreign Secretary when the Cabinet signed up to it at the conclusion of the phase one talks. What the job he resigned from? i dont care how you try to spin it,it wasnt his plan. Yeah that's all I meant. It wasn't his plan. But it was put forward with his support as foreign secretary. "His plan" was bad wording on my behalf. But I stand by the "fuck knows what his plan is now" comment." Really? I’m surprised he hasn’t been in personal contact with you regarding what his plan is now, naughty boris tut tut | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland
A question to everyone, why would they?"Lots of reasons. If they don't put up a hard border, they can't control the passage of goods in and out of the country. Which is not good when you're supposed to be cutting yourself off from the rest of the world economically. And no one can charge the tariffs on goods going either direction if you don't know what's going through the border. And you can't control the movement of people. Which will make the brexit party and ukip voters explode. | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland " Good luck arguing at the WTO court the complainants are being pedantic because you have different regulatory controls and different tariffs at different crossings of your border. | |||
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" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland Good luck arguing at the WTO court the complainants are being pedantic because you have different regulatory controls and different tariffs at different crossings of your border. " Who mentioned different tarrifs ? Who mentioned different regulatory controls ? | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland
A question to everyone, why would they?
Lots of reasons. If they don't put up a hard border, they can't control the passage of goods in and out of the country. Which is not good when you're supposed to be cutting yourself off from the rest of the world economically. And no one can charge the tariffs on goods going either direction if you don't know what's going through the border.
And you can't control the movement of people. Which will make the brexit party and ukip voters explode.
"Will the port of Dublin not be requesting imp/exp docs Control movement of people ? From where to where ? | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland
A question to everyone, why would they?
Lots of reasons. If they don't put up a hard border, they can't control the passage of goods in and out of the country. Which is not good when you're supposed to be cutting yourself off from the rest of the world economically. And no one can charge the tariffs on goods going either direction if you don't know what's going through the border.
And you can't control the movement of people. Which will make the brexit party and ukip voters explode.
Will the port of Dublin not be requesting imp/exp docs
Control movement of people ? From where to where ? "From EU to UK. | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland
A question to everyone, why would they?
Lots of reasons. If they don't put up a hard border, they can't control the passage of goods in and out of the country. Which is not good when you're supposed to be cutting yourself off from the rest of the world economically. And no one can charge the tariffs on goods going either direction if you don't know what's going through the border.
And you can't control the movement of people. Which will make the brexit party and ukip voters explode.
Will the port of Dublin not be requesting imp/exp docs
Control movement of people ? From where to where ? "And no, not from goods coming from the EU. | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland
A question to everyone, why would they?
Lots of reasons. If they don't put up a hard border, they can't control the passage of goods in and out of the country. Which is not good when you're supposed to be cutting yourself off from the rest of the world economically. And no one can charge the tariffs on goods going either direction if you don't know what's going through the border.
And you can't control the movement of people. Which will make the brexit party and ukip voters explode.
Will the port of Dublin not be requesting imp/exp docs
Control movement of people ? From where to where ?
And no, not from goods coming from the EU."Lol sorry last reply. Also if they we trusted them for imp/exp docs. Then we're not in control of goods coming into the UK. We're trusting a foreign government to do it for us with no say in the matter. And we don't know how much is transported on to the UK. | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland Good luck arguing at the WTO court the complainants are being pedantic because you have different regulatory controls and different tariffs at different crossings of your border. Who mentioned different tarrifs ? Who mentioned different regulatory controls ?" So are we following US standards or EU standards. Future trade deals might need a decision on which. | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland Good luck arguing at the WTO court the complainants are being pedantic because you have different regulatory controls and different tariffs at different crossings of your border. Who mentioned different tarrifs ? Who mentioned different regulatory controls ? So are we following US standards or EU standards. Future trade deals might need a decision on which." Standards for the Uk are not changing. | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland Good luck arguing at the WTO court the complainants are being pedantic because you have different regulatory controls and different tariffs at different crossings of your border. Who mentioned different tarrifs ? Who mentioned different regulatory controls ? So are we following US standards or EU standards. Future trade deals might need a decision on which. Standards for the Uk are not changing. " What are you talking about? The whole idea of Brexit is to “escape” from the regulatory “burden” of the EU. | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland Good luck arguing at the WTO court the complainants are being pedantic because you have different regulatory controls and different tariffs at different crossings of your border. Who mentioned different tarrifs ? Who mentioned different regulatory controls ? So are we following US standards or EU standards. Future trade deals might need a decision on which. Standards for the Uk are not changing. What are you talking about? The whole idea of Brexit is to “escape” from the regulatory “burden” of the EU." as I said... regulatory standards in the uk are not changing. | |||
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" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland Good luck arguing at the WTO court the complainants are being pedantic because you have different regulatory controls and different tariffs at different crossings of your border. Who mentioned different tarrifs ? Who mentioned different regulatory controls ? So are we following US standards or EU standards. Future trade deals might need a decision on which. Standards for the Uk are not changing. What are you talking about? The whole idea of Brexit is to “escape” from the regulatory “burden” of the EU. as I said... regulatory standards in the uk are not changing." So how is the mythical US trade deal going to come about if U.K. regulatory standards remain aligned to EU regulations? You know that the minutia if trade deal small print is all about origination, quality control and regulatory compliance. | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland Good luck arguing at the WTO court the complainants are being pedantic because you have different regulatory controls and different tariffs at different crossings of your border. Who mentioned different tarrifs ? Who mentioned different regulatory controls ? So are we following US standards or EU standards. Future trade deals might need a decision on which. Standards for the Uk are not changing. What are you talking about? The whole idea of Brexit is to “escape” from the regulatory “burden” of the EU. as I said... regulatory standards in the uk are not changing. So how is the mythical US trade deal going to come about if U.K. regulatory standards remain aligned to EU regulations? You know that the minutia if trade deal small print is all about origination, quality control and regulatory compliance. " you should read up on BSI, ISO, CEN etc.. | |||
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" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border " PM of the UK said "Brexit means Brexit We Leave March 29 Deal or No Deal". You are a very trusting naive loon | |||
"He hasn't achieved anything in the last 2 days, maybe the blackm@il approach isn't working. " That is right, nothing have happened during these 2 days | |||
"He hasn't achieved anything in the last 2 days, maybe the blackm@il approach isn't working. That is right, nothing have happened during these 2 days "I would suggest that very little has happened in the last three years. | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland Good luck arguing at the WTO court the complainants are being pedantic because you have different regulatory controls and different tariffs at different crossings of your border. Who mentioned different tarrifs ? Who mentioned different regulatory controls ?" The remained. One thing is sure most are scared and so create arguments for difficulty that mostly aren't really an issue. Who ever suggested we are cutting ourselves off from world trade needs to bury their head even deeper. We will have a better control over our trade with Europe. They need it , especially Germany. We will have better access to other markets as a result. It may also help us to rethink that importing more than exporting isn't sustainable and start to think about manufacturing and developing more here as in the past. | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border PM of the UK said "Brexit means Brexit We Leave March 29 Deal or No Deal". You are a very trusting naive loon " If you use arguments and personalise them few take them seriously. Amazed how people can't debate without personalising things. | |||
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"He hasn't achieved anything in the last 2 days, maybe the blackm@il approach isn't working. That is right, nothing have happened during these 2 days
I would suggest that very little has happened in the last three years."Yes not much there since brexit started. | |||
"It’s astonishing people still trust in the words that come out of politicians mouths.. Especially those involved in brexit. It’s either wilfull ignorance or just old fashioned ignorance." Says the guy who gets his info from that “ he knows all about it” guy in work and FB | |||
"He hasn't achieved anything in the last 2 days, maybe the blackm@il approach isn't working. That is right, nothing have happened during these 2 days
I would suggest that very little has happened in the last three years.Yes not much there since brexit started."I think most of the country feels the same .The dithering ineptitude is alarming. | |||
"He hasn't achieved anything in the last 2 days, maybe the blackm@il approach isn't working. That is right, nothing have happened during these 2 days
I would suggest that very little has happened in the last three years.Yes not much there since brexit started.
I think most of the country feels the same .The dithering ineptitude is alarming."Pot kettle springs to mind | |||
"He hasn't achieved anything in the last 2 days, maybe the blackm@il approach isn't working. That is right, nothing have happened during these 2 days
I would suggest that very little has happened in the last three years.Yes not much there since brexit started.
I think most of the country feels the same .The dithering ineptitude is alarming."Alarming, but entirely expected. | |||
"Hope big Boris...clumps the little weasel... Really...You brexiturds are all about violence when you don’t get your own way.. "Oh behave yourself | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland Good luck arguing at the WTO court the complainants are being pedantic because you have different regulatory controls and different tariffs at different crossings of your border. Who mentioned different tarrifs ? Who mentioned different regulatory controls ? The remained. One thing is sure most are scared and so create arguments for difficulty that mostly aren't really an issue. Who ever suggested we are cutting ourselves off from world trade needs to bury their head even deeper. We will have a better control over our trade with Europe. They need it , especially Germany. We will have better access to other markets as a result. It may also help us to rethink that importing more than exporting isn't sustainable and start to think about manufacturing and developing more here as in the past. " What will the tarrifs on beef be from a farmer in Ireland selling to NI? What will the tarrifs on beef being sold from Argentina into England be? Are you happy pharmaceuticals coming form Ireland come through without checking they meet our standards? Are you happy pharmaceuticals coming from China come through without checking they meet our standards? | |||
" We will have a better control over our trade with Europe. They need it , especially Germany. We will have better access to other markets as a result. " Oh dear. How often do the Germans need to say this? The single market is of far greater importance to Germany, politically and economically, than the UK market. So no-one in Germany is arguing for a sweetheart deal with the UK that undermines the single market. No-one. And better access to other markets? We already have preferential access to other markets. Those terms disappear on October 31 and we default to WTO terms, i.e. we start from scratch as a new kid on the block. | |||
"He hasn't achieved anything in the last 2 days, maybe the blackm@il approach isn't working. That is right, nothing have happened during these 2 days
I would suggest that very little has happened in the last three years."You should check the cbi preparedness report (regularly updated) Also gov.uk has excellent information and updates on preparations for brexit. A great deal has happened . The facts and information are available and free. | |||
"He hasn't achieved anything in the last 2 days, maybe the blackm@il approach isn't working. That is right, nothing have happened during these 2 days
I would suggest that very little has happened in the last three years.
You should check the cbi preparedness report (regularly updated)
Also gov.uk has excellent information and updates on preparations for brexit.
A great deal has happened . The facts and information are available and free.
"I will have a read. But i meant more in terms of sorting out a political solution. | |||
" You should check the cbi preparedness report (regularly updated) Also gov.uk has excellent information and updates on preparations for brexit. A great deal has happened . The facts and information are available and free. " Yes, it's like driving a car into a collision. We can fasten the seat belts, check the first aid kit, inflate the safety cushions. But we still know it's a head-on that's coming. | |||
"He hasn't achieved anything in the last 2 days, maybe the blackm@il approach isn't working. That is right, nothing have happened during these 2 days
I would suggest that very little has happened in the last three years.
You should check the cbi preparedness report (regularly updated)
Also gov.uk has excellent information and updates on preparations for brexit.
A great deal has happened . The facts and information are available and free.
I will have a read.
But i meant more in terms of sorting out a political solution."To be honest the political stuff should take care of itself - and no matter how much the historical events are pored over, analysed, criticised and reinterpreted, it will not change the result. The important thing is for us to be prepared, with or without a withdrawal agreement. | |||
"He hasn't achieved anything in the last 2 days, maybe the blackm@il approach isn't working. That is right, nothing have happened during these 2 days
I would suggest that very little has happened in the last three years.
You should check the cbi preparedness report (regularly updated)
Also gov.uk has excellent information and updates on preparations for brexit.
A great deal has happened . The facts and information are available and free.
I will have a read.
But i meant more in terms of sorting out a political solution.
To be honest the political stuff should take care of itself - and no matter how much the historical events are pored over, analysed, criticised and reinterpreted, it will not change the result. The important thing is for us to be prepared, with or without a withdrawal agreement.
"That was some pretty depressing reading. The political element is still important. They should be doing everything possible to work towards the least damaging brexit for the uk. Instead they seem to be just doing the usual bullshit of trying to score points against the opposing party, all the while trying as best as possible to be re-elected next time around. | |||
"He hasn't achieved anything in the last 2 days, maybe the blackm@il approach isn't working. That is right, nothing have happened during these 2 days
I would suggest that very little has happened in the last three years.
You should check the cbi preparedness report (regularly updated)
Also gov.uk has excellent information and updates on preparations for brexit.
A great deal has happened . The facts and information are available and free.
I will have a read.
But i meant more in terms of sorting out a political solution.
To be honest the political stuff should take care of itself - and no matter how much the historical events are pored over, analysed, criticised and reinterpreted, it will not change the result. The important thing is for us to be prepared, with or without a withdrawal agreement.
That was some pretty depressing reading.
The political element is still important. They should be doing everything possible to work towards the least damaging brexit for the uk. Instead they seem to be just doing the usual bullshit of trying to score points against the opposing party, all the while trying as best as possible to be re-elected next time around."I guess it didnt say anything about northern ireland? | |||
"He hasn't achieved anything in the last 2 days, maybe the blackm@il approach isn't working. That is right, nothing have happened during these 2 days
I would suggest that very little has happened in the last three years.
You should check the cbi preparedness report (regularly updated)
Also gov.uk has excellent information and updates on preparations for brexit.
A great deal has happened . The facts and information are available and free.
I will have a read.
But i meant more in terms of sorting out a political solution.
To be honest the political stuff should take care of itself - and no matter how much the historical events are pored over, analysed, criticised and reinterpreted, it will not change the result. The important thing is for us to be prepared, with or without a withdrawal agreement.
That was some pretty depressing reading.
The political element is still important. They should be doing everything possible to work towards the least damaging brexit for the uk. Instead they seem to be just doing the usual bullshit of trying to score points against the opposing party, all the while trying as best as possible to be re-elected next time around."You misunderstand I didn’t say the political stuff is unimportant. The sentiment to the post is - the political stuff can carry on one way or another - I’m sure the PM does want an orderly Exit - but the preparations can not be put on hold while all the politicians jostle for position. | |||
"He hasn't achieved anything in the last 2 days, maybe the blackm@il approach isn't working. That is right, nothing have happened during these 2 days
I would suggest that very little has happened in the last three years.
You should check the cbi preparedness report (regularly updated)
Also gov.uk has excellent information and updates on preparations for brexit.
A great deal has happened . The facts and information are available and free.
I will have a read.
But i meant more in terms of sorting out a political solution.
To be honest the political stuff should take care of itself - and no matter how much the historical events are pored over, analysed, criticised and reinterpreted, it will not change the result. The important thing is for us to be prepared, with or without a withdrawal agreement.
That was some pretty depressing reading.
The political element is still important. They should be doing everything possible to work towards the least damaging brexit for the uk. Instead they seem to be just doing the usual bullshit of trying to score points against the opposing party, all the while trying as best as possible to be re-elected next time around.
You misunderstand
I didn’t say the political stuff is unimportant.
The sentiment to the post is - the political stuff can carry on one way or another - I’m sure the PM does want an orderly Exit - but the preparations can not be put on hold while all the politicians jostle for position.
"Yeah it's a mess. Spending all this time, money and resource on a self inflicted downturn in everything is so frustrating. All the things we could have done instead of mitigating Brexit. We were late on the preparation, compared to say Ireland who advised their citizens years ago. But yeah the prep should crack on. And I am far from convinced that Boris or any of the rest of them are doing anything to aim for a he least damaging brexit possible. Boris specifically will do very well out of the more damaging no deal. | |||
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" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland Good luck arguing at the WTO court the complainants are being pedantic because you have different regulatory controls and different tariffs at different crossings of your border. Who mentioned different tarrifs ? Who mentioned different regulatory controls ? The remained. One thing is sure most are scared and so create arguments for difficulty that mostly aren't really an issue. Who ever suggested we are cutting ourselves off from world trade needs to bury their head even deeper. We will have a better control over our trade with Europe. They need it , especially Germany. We will have better access to other markets as a result. It may also help us to rethink that importing more than exporting isn't sustainable and start to think about manufacturing and developing more here as in the past. " Your last sentence is what really shows your lack of knowledge in how the world works . Manufacture here ? Really ? Are you suggesting we start b7ilding cars again ? What other manufacturing is sustainable here in comparison to the rest of the world ? | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border PM of the UK said "Brexit means Brexit We Leave March 29 Deal or No Deal". You are a very trusting naive loon If you use arguments and personalise them few take them seriously. Amazed how people can't debate without personalising things." Did the UK prime Minister not say we are leagung on the 29th of March then ? To keep repeating the uk PM said this about a hard boarder asi if a uk pm only ever does what they say is being a Naive Fool | |||
" We will have a better control over our trade with Europe. They need it , especially Germany. We will have better access to other markets as a result. Oh dear. How often do the Germans need to say this? The single market is of far greater importance to Germany, politically and economically, than the UK market. So no-one in Germany is arguing for a sweetheart deal with the UK that undermines the single market. No-one. And better access to other markets? We already have preferential access to other markets. Those terms disappear on October 31 and we default to WTO terms, i.e. we start from scratch as a new kid on the block. " No no no, everything becomes a lot cheaper on WTO rules | |||
" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland Good luck arguing at the WTO court the complainants are being pedantic because you have different regulatory controls and different tariffs at different crossings of your border. Who mentioned different tarrifs ? Who mentioned different regulatory controls ? The remained. One thing is sure most are scared and so create arguments for difficulty that mostly aren't really an issue. Who ever suggested we are cutting ourselves off from world trade needs to bury their head even deeper. We will have a better control over our trade with Europe. They need it , especially Germany. We will have better access to other markets as a result. It may also help us to rethink that importing more than exporting isn't sustainable and start to think about manufacturing and developing more here as in the past. What will the tarrifs on beef be from a farmer in Ireland selling to NI? What will the tarrifs on beef being sold from Argentina into England be? Are you happy pharmaceuticals coming form Ireland come through without checking they meet our standards? Are you happy pharmaceuticals coming from China come through without checking they meet our standards?" To suggest that there will not be tariffs is a tad naive. Just because you or I or others cannot see it in black and white doesn't mean it won't happen. Has it happened in the past? No so why would you think it'll happen now? As far as your suggestions about pharmaceuticals, how does it work now with China? Why would you think the quality from Ireland would not meet current EU standards, which are mostly the standards the UK set for many items. | |||
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" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland Good luck arguing at the WTO court the complainants are being pedantic because you have different regulatory controls and different tariffs at different crossings of your border. Who mentioned different tarrifs ? Who mentioned different regulatory controls ? The remained. One thing is sure most are scared and so create arguments for difficulty that mostly aren't really an issue. Who ever suggested we are cutting ourselves off from world trade needs to bury their head even deeper. We will have a better control over our trade with Europe. They need it , especially Germany. We will have better access to other markets as a result. It may also help us to rethink that importing more than exporting isn't sustainable and start to think about manufacturing and developing more here as in the past. What will the tarrifs on beef be from a farmer in Ireland selling to NI? What will the tarrifs on beef being sold from Argentina into England be? Are you happy pharmaceuticals coming form Ireland come through without checking they meet our standards? Are you happy pharmaceuticals coming from China come through without checking they meet our standards? To suggest that there will not be tariffs is a tad naive. Just because you or I or others cannot see it in black and white doesn't mean it won't happen. Has it happened in the past? No so why would you think it'll happen now? As far as your suggestions about pharmaceuticals, how does it work now with China? Why would you think the quality from Ireland would not meet current EU standards, which are mostly the standards the UK set for many items." I don't know if there will or won't be tarriffs. Just under wto they will be the same for Irish beef as argie beef. Currently I believe we check at least some imports of pharma from China. So helps check companies are complying. If we don't check Irish pharma as I understand it we have to stop checking Chinese pharma. A soft wto border leads to tarriffs and no checking. For all countries. On all borders. At least that's my understanding of maintaining a border and MFN. | |||
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" Unless I'm mistaken I think it was Ireland that want no boarder checks. No, all of the signatories to the Belfast Agreement want an invisible border. So that’s fine As I said.. pm has confirmed uk government will not put up a hard border I'm sure the people at Dover etc are pleased to hear it. Be as pedantic as you like... Uk will not put up a hard border on the island of Ireland Good luck arguing at the WTO court the complainants are being pedantic because you have different regulatory controls and different tariffs at different crossings of your border. Who mentioned different tarrifs ? Who mentioned different regulatory controls ? The remained. One thing is sure most are scared and so create arguments for difficulty that mostly aren't really an issue. Who ever suggested we are cutting ourselves off from world trade needs to bury their head even deeper. We will have a better control over our trade with Europe. They need it , especially Germany. We will have better access to other markets as a result. It may also help us to rethink that importing more than exporting isn't sustainable and start to think about manufacturing and developing more here as in the past. What will the tarrifs on beef be from a farmer in Ireland selling to NI? What will the tarrifs on beef being sold from Argentina into England be? Are you happy pharmaceuticals coming form Ireland come through without checking they meet our standards? Are you happy pharmaceuticals coming from China come through without checking they meet our standards? To suggest that there will not be tariffs is a tad naive. Just because you or I or others cannot see it in black and white doesn't mean it won't happen. Has it happened in the past? No so why would you think it'll happen now? As far as your suggestions about pharmaceuticals, how does it work now with China? Why would you think the quality from Ireland would not meet current EU standards, which are mostly the standards the UK set for many items. I don't know if there will or won't be tarriffs. Just under wto they will be the same for Irish beef as argie beef. Currently I believe we check at least some imports of pharma from China. So helps check companies are complying. If we don't check Irish pharma as I understand it we have to stop checking Chinese pharma. A soft wto border leads to tarriffs and no checking. For all countries. On all borders. At least that's my understanding of maintaining a border and MFN. " Just to clarify if it helps, the reason for import and export documentation checks is to ensure the product (whatever it is) has been manufactured or is produced to the regulatory standard we have set (or the standard required by the customer we are selling to ) For example: if we didn’t have specific standards for manufacture of 13amp plugs then anybody who can make them would do so, and when we buy and import them there wouldn’t be anything to check. We do have specific BS standard for 13 amp plugs and so whoever makes them for us has to provide certification to confirm they have been manufactured correctly. If that’s China, Germany, India, Australia - whoever - the import is checked because we have a required standard - also, we wouldn’t only check China plugs and not German plugs . All plugs would be checked because we have a standard . This is nothing to do with Wto. | |||
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"I've had a quick look at this, and will lay my understanding (and ignorance) out there to be corrected. EN are European standards. As a member of CEN we currently adopt their standards. Any factory on the EU producing something under the EN is label to independant checks and audits to check compliance. As such, these products can move across borders unchecked. This trust over seen by ecj. Outside of the eu, there may not be same checks. And so are liable to custom checks. Once out of the eu, they revert to a third country so we apply the same checks. If we choose to do none, do Irish plug companies can export frictionless, we have to stop checking all plugs. And if we check plugs today from a small trader in China, presumably its for safety reasons among other things. So this trader can vlsim the right BS hss been met... But has it? " Still not quite there. En denotes it is a harmonised standard. Each country (in the world) has its own standards agency/organisation. CEN is the organisation (on behalf of the Eu) that overseas standards across the 30 odd countries. The uk (bsigroup) is a member, and will continue to be a member after brexit. The uk standards (bsigroup) have been around for a very long time and are constantly being amended, updated and formed as is required by the uk (and to follow other standards around the world ) Where a bs standard is the same as a EN standard the EN standard is adopted - mainly to comply with being in the Eu (you will often see a bs standard written as BS EN xxxxx to show it is a bs standard but it is identical and harmonised with the EN standard) Its not that we don’t have standards and we borrow those from CEN, it’s more that BSI group (like CEN) oversees and maintains BS standards and runs out standards parallel with those of CEN (who oversee all the individual standards agencies for each country). (As an aside Eu standards for some product is much lower than other countries) Manufacturers worldwide don’t automatically manufacture product to every known standard around the world . If an Irish company wants to sell plugs to the uk, they would identify a factory that has the capability to manufacture to the BS standards required for the plug. In order to fulfil compliance for a certified product the Irish company would have a sample checked and tested, have the factory audited, have materials audited etc etc all of which builds up a trail of documentation and certification that means when the finished product is manufactured and certified to the required BS standard. When the Irish company sells the plug to a buyer in the uk the uk company will ask “is the product compliant to BS xxx” Irish company says yes and provides certification. You are perhaps thinking that the Irish company (or trader in China) buys a load of plugs and then ships to uk, where they are checked at the point of import ? The process for standards and compliance actually starts much earlier... | |||
"Also there is the issue of us manufacturing to EN standards. Currently products made here for sale within the EU have to be certified as compliant with the relevant standards. So that our electrical goods don't electrocute people. So that our drugs don't kill people. Etc. After no deal brexit, we lose the use of all these certifications. Our companies might still make things in exactly the same way. But the consumers will not have the certification, they will have no way of knowing whether we have actually lowered our standards, made stuff cheaply that wil burst into flames or have sub-standard ingredients. Of course the country can spend millions, and years, setting up our own certification systems. Which will have to exactly mirror the operations and standards of the EU anyway. We used to do that. But then we saved millions every year by just sharing the use of the EU systems, at a proportional share of the cost of them. In the meantime, we couldn't even make nuts and bolts to be fitted on EU vehicles. Because if one of those nuts or bolts didn't fit properly, and broke or came undone while travelling at speed... The insurance company would say, there were uncertified components from the UK, the insurance is not valid. So proper no deal - no deal at all - means that all sorts of stuff from here can and will just be rejected in the EU. And in the rest of the world. Unless we make a deal. And pay to use the certification schemes." No, see reply above. | |||
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"Thx. That kinda confirms my understanding of how the eu works, and all the checks + trust is how the SM works. But I'm unclear what the China Equivalanwt is. How does this work for a small Chinese company making plugs? And who does all the checks at the factory? Is this a British, Irish or Chinese auditor? If not British, how do we get comfortable the auditors are maintaining standards." Checks at the factory can be carried out by the buyer or the supplier may employ an agency to QC the manufacture (often at the start and end or manufacture, but also can be random ) China has its own standards for their country product. A Chinese plug for use in China is only compliant if it is correct to Chinese standard. Putting it another way, a Chinese plug for a Chinese home, manufactured to BS standard is not compliant . A small Chinese company making plugs could manufacture a Europe or British plug - providing they use correct materials and follow requirements of the EN or BS standard. The small Chinese manufacturer would not automatically make these plugs, as there is no guarantee they would get orders, and for to be able to manufacture to the en or bs standards involves cost (moulds, materials, testing certification, audits etc) Testing and certification can be done by labs around the world, including in China. A Chinese lab can be used providing it has been accredited by a testing body such as intertek, tuv, ul (and others..). Audits - bsci and others are common practice now for product entering the market . Depending on the type of product will determine what level of audit is required . This is just scratching the surface of what is involved ... my poor thumbs are getting a good workout this morning
Suffice to say when a product gets to a border, if it’s been done properly, it will have All necessary documentation to confirm it is ok.
Even if a rogue product tries to come in to the country (uk or Eu ) there are systems (pre-entry) which automatically flag certain categories and that would identify the consignment as a potential risk. It would then be pulled aside for further checks .
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"Thx. That kinda confirms my understanding of how the eu works, and all the checks + trust is how the SM works. But I'm unclear what the China Equivalanwt is. How does this work for a small Chinese company making plugs? And who does all the checks at the factory? Is this a British, Irish or Chinese auditor? If not British, how do we get comfortable the auditors are maintaining standards. Checks at the factory can be carried out by the buyer or the supplier may employ an agency to QC the manufacture (often at the start and end or manufacture, but also can be random ) China has its own standards for their country product. A Chinese plug for use in China is only compliant if it is correct to Chinese standard. Putting it another way, a Chinese plug for a Chinese home, manufactured to BS standard is not compliant . A small Chinese company making plugs could manufacture a Europe or British plug - providing they use correct materials and follow requirements of the EN or BS standard. The small Chinese manufacturer would not automatically make these plugs, as there is no guarantee they would get orders, and for to be able to manufacture to the en or bs standards involves cost (moulds, materials, testing certification, audits etc) Testing and certification can be done by labs around the world, including in China. A Chinese lab can be used providing it has been accredited by a testing body such as intertek, tuv, ul (and others..). Audits - bsci and others are common practice now for product entering the market . Depending on the type of product will determine what level of audit is required . This is just scratching the surface of what is involved ... my poor thumbs are getting a good workout this morning
Suffice to say when a product gets to a border, if it’s been done properly, it will have All necessary documentation to confirm it is ok.
Even if a rogue product tries to come in to the country (uk or Eu ) there are systems (pre-entry) which automatically flag certain categories and that would identify the consignment as a potential risk. It would then be pulled aside for further checks .
"It's that last bit that's interesting. My understanding is this final line of defence doesn't happen for anything coming from the eu, because of the SM. This is the leak which would be introduced if we stopped checking to accommodate zero checks on ireland.. And while plugs, as an example, can have lots of checks pre border crossing to get confident, other goods can be less commodotised and so have more checks. Again, using a risk based approach. Animal products (of some nature) has something like 50% checking if outside of the SM. | |||
"Thx. That kinda confirms my understanding of how the eu works, and all the checks + trust is how the SM works. But I'm unclear what the China Equivalanwt is. How does this work for a small Chinese company making plugs? And who does all the checks at the factory? Is this a British, Irish or Chinese auditor? If not British, how do we get comfortable the auditors are maintaining standards. Checks at the factory can be carried out by the buyer or the supplier may employ an agency to QC the manufacture (often at the start and end or manufacture, but also can be random ) China has its own standards for their country product. A Chinese plug for use in China is only compliant if it is correct to Chinese standard. Putting it another way, a Chinese plug for a Chinese home, manufactured to BS standard is not compliant . A small Chinese company making plugs could manufacture a Europe or British plug - providing they use correct materials and follow requirements of the EN or BS standard. The small Chinese manufacturer would not automatically make these plugs, as there is no guarantee they would get orders, and for to be able to manufacture to the en or bs standards involves cost (moulds, materials, testing certification, audits etc) Testing and certification can be done by labs around the world, including in China. A Chinese lab can be used providing it has been accredited by a testing body such as intertek, tuv, ul (and others..). Audits - bsci and others are common practice now for product entering the market . Depending on the type of product will determine what level of audit is required . This is just scratching the surface of what is involved ... my poor thumbs are getting a good workout this morning
Suffice to say when a product gets to a border, if it’s been done properly, it will have All necessary documentation to confirm it is ok.
Even if a rogue product tries to come in to the country (uk or Eu ) there are systems (pre-entry) which automatically flag certain categories and that would identify the consignment as a potential risk. It would then be pulled aside for further checks .
It's that last bit that's interesting.
My understanding is this final line of defence doesn't happen for anything coming from the eu, because of the SM.
This is the leak which would be introduced if we stopped checking to accommodate zero checks on ireland..
And while plugs, as an example, can have lots of checks pre border crossing to get confident, other goods can be less commodotised and so have more checks. Again, using a risk based approach.
Animal products (of some nature) has something like 50% checking if outside of the SM.
"Kind of, but then who in NI is going to buy something without any certification from ROI? NI or uk mainland wouldn’t be able to put it on the market as it wouldn’t be certified Even something moving from let’s say Germany to ROI (which wouldnt be checked at any point) would still have been tested and certified to the standards - without that being done, the product wouldn’t be on the market to be sold Something else to note is that, while shipments (imports and exports) currently don’t need the same declarations, after a certain monetary value of imports/exports within the Eu the supplier/customer is required to file monthly trade flow reports - which are essentially an exact record of what has been shipped, where to and to who. All of this data and audit trail is the key to achieving a less than hard border between ROI and NI | |||
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"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. " I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu | |||
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"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu " But if we apply no checks to the Irish border we need to apply the same checks to all our borders. So those checks we do on Dover etc... Gone. | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu " We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control"." What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer. | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu But if we apply no checks to the Irish border we need to apply the same checks to all our borders. So those checks we do on Dover etc... Gone. " Unfortunately It feels like we have come full circle .... I had hoped by demonstrating part of the early stages of the supply chain then it would show that no border doesn’t necessarily mean that checks are not being carried out. | |||
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"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu But if we apply no checks to the Irish border we need to apply the same checks to all our borders. So those checks we do on Dover etc... Gone. Unfortunately It feels like we have come full circle .... I had hoped by demonstrating part of the early stages of the supply chain then it would show that no border doesn’t necessarily mean that checks are not being carried out. " I'm not saying there are no checks. Just that a check we have now (and so, I would assume, deem necessary) will go. Its a backwards step. | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer." These things aren't driven by consumer demand. For example food safety standards, they're provided for us by the EU. | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer. These things aren't driven by consumer demand. For example food safety standards, they're provided for us by the EU. " How many times .... the uk determines its own food standards ... | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu But if we apply no checks to the Irish border we need to apply the same checks to all our borders. So those checks we do on Dover etc... Gone. Unfortunately It feels like we have come full circle .... I had hoped by demonstrating part of the early stages of the supply chain then it would show that no border doesn’t necessarily mean that checks are not being carried out. I'm not saying there are no checks. Just that a check we have now (and so, I would assume, deem necessary) will go. Its a backwards step. " Just for clarity,.. which check is going? | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer. These things aren't driven by consumer demand. For example food safety standards, they're provided for us by the EU. How many times .... the uk determines its own food standards ... " The minimum standards are set by the EU currently. We meet these standards. We cannot drop them, until we leave the EU. When there will be intense pressure from the US to drop them as part of the trade deal. To answer the first part of the question, doesn't matter how many times you repeat false information. It remains false. | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer. These things aren't driven by consumer demand. For example food safety standards, they're provided for us by the EU. How many times .... the uk determines its own food standards ... The minimum standards are set by the EU currently. We meet these standards. We cannot drop them, until we leave the EU. When there will be intense pressure from the US to drop them as part of the trade deal. To answer the first part of the question, doesn't matter how many times you repeat false information. It remains false." Oh my goodness !! the uk has its own standards which are aligned with those being set in Europe . If Europe standards agency suddenly said “all beef must be from beasts with 5legs” I am sure the british standard would be updated accordingly, and then verified. The abattoir would be required to confirm when the beast comes in that it had 5 legs and has a certificate to prove it. | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu But if we apply no checks to the Irish border we need to apply the same checks to all our borders. So those checks we do on Dover etc... Gone. Unfortunately It feels like we have come full circle .... I had hoped by demonstrating part of the early stages of the supply chain then it would show that no border doesn’t necessarily mean that checks are not being carried out. I'm not saying there are no checks. Just that a check we have now (and so, I would assume, deem necessary) will go. Its a backwards step. Just for clarity,.. which check is going?" For meat it's apparently document check, identity check, and as appropriate, a physical check. | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer. These things aren't driven by consumer demand. For example food safety standards, they're provided for us by the EU. How many times .... the uk determines its own food standards ... The minimum standards are set by the EU currently. We meet these standards. We cannot drop them, until we leave the EU. When there will be intense pressure from the US to drop them as part of the trade deal. To answer the first part of the question, doesn't matter how many times you repeat false information. It remains false. Oh my goodness !! the uk has its own standards which are aligned with those being set in Europe . If Europe standards agency suddenly said “all beef must be from beasts with 5legs” I am sure the british standard would be updated accordingly, and then verified. The abattoir would be required to confirm when the beast comes in that it had 5 legs and has a certificate to prove it. " I feel like you've gone off-piste here. I'm not sure what you're saying. | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer. These things aren't driven by consumer demand. For example food safety standards, they're provided for us by the EU. How many times .... the uk determines its own food standards ... The minimum standards are set by the EU currently. We meet these standards. We cannot drop them, until we leave the EU. When there will be intense pressure from the US to drop them as part of the trade deal. To answer the first part of the question, doesn't matter how many times you repeat false information. It remains false. Oh my goodness !! the uk has its own standards which are aligned with those being set in Europe . If Europe standards agency suddenly said “all beef must be from beasts with 5legs” I am sure the british standard would be updated accordingly, and then verified. The abattoir would be required to confirm when the beast comes in that it had 5 legs and has a certificate to prove it. I feel like you've gone off-piste here. I'm not sure what you're saying." I am not repeating false information . The uk has its own set of standards that are harmonised with the standards set by the Eu. The point I made in the last post - if the Eu changed its standard for beef to have come from 5 legged cows, then the British standard would be updated. | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer. These things aren't driven by consumer demand. For example food safety standards, they're provided for us by the EU. How many times .... the uk determines its own food standards ... The minimum standards are set by the EU currently. We meet these standards. We cannot drop them, until we leave the EU. When there will be intense pressure from the US to drop them as part of the trade deal. To answer the first part of the question, doesn't matter how many times you repeat false information. It remains false. Oh my goodness !! the uk has its own standards which are aligned with those being set in Europe . If Europe standards agency suddenly said “all beef must be from beasts with 5legs” I am sure the british standard would be updated accordingly, and then verified. The abattoir would be required to confirm when the beast comes in that it had 5 legs and has a certificate to prove it. I feel like you've gone off-piste here. I'm not sure what you're saying. I am not repeating false information . The uk has its own set of standards that are harmonised with the standards set by the Eu. The point I made in the last post - if the Eu changed its standard for beef to have come from 5 legged cows, then the British standard would be updated. " Exactly, you seem to now be in agreement with me. But before you were saying we're in control of our food safety standards. We are only in control of making them better. Until we leave. Then we can make them worse so that we can import American food produce. | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer. These things aren't driven by consumer demand. For example food safety standards, they're provided for us by the EU. How many times .... the uk determines its own food standards ... The minimum standards are set by the EU currently. We meet these standards. We cannot drop them, until we leave the EU. When there will be intense pressure from the US to drop them as part of the trade deal. To answer the first part of the question, doesn't matter how many times you repeat false information. It remains false. Oh my goodness !! the uk has its own standards which are aligned with those being set in Europe . If Europe standards agency suddenly said “all beef must be from beasts with 5legs” I am sure the british standard would be updated accordingly, and then verified. The abattoir would be required to confirm when the beast comes in that it had 5 legs and has a certificate to prove it. I feel like you've gone off-piste here. I'm not sure what you're saying. I am not repeating false information . The uk has its own set of standards that are harmonised with the standards set by the Eu. The point I made in the last post - if the Eu changed its standard for beef to have come from 5 legged cows, then the British standard would be updated. Exactly, you seem to now be in agreement with me. But before you were saying we're in control of our food safety standards. We are only in control of making them better. Until we leave. Then we can make them worse so that we can import American food produce." If beef farmers in uk want to sell to Eu, and the Eu have said the cows just have 5 legs then uk will start producing 5 legged cows - that’s commerce and the way business is done. If uk says we don’t like 5 legged cow meat so our market doesn’t have to have 5 legged cow meat standard then that’s up to us . Uk farmers can still have 4 legged cows and also produce 5 legged cows for their Eu customers. The 5 legged cows meet the standards for Eu, the 4 legged ones for our market . This is an extreme example I know ! Just for the record again.... uk standards will not drop after Brexit . As the us-uk deal keeps getting thrown what will happen is that us producers will have to produce product that meets our existing standards. The point is they will have access to the market - but that doesn’t mean they can flood it with any old shit ! Uk standard are staying | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer. These things aren't driven by consumer demand. For example food safety standards, they're provided for us by the EU. How many times .... the uk determines its own food standards ... The minimum standards are set by the EU currently. We meet these standards. We cannot drop them, until we leave the EU. When there will be intense pressure from the US to drop them as part of the trade deal. To answer the first part of the question, doesn't matter how many times you repeat false information. It remains false. Oh my goodness !! the uk has its own standards which are aligned with those being set in Europe . If Europe standards agency suddenly said “all beef must be from beasts with 5legs” I am sure the british standard would be updated accordingly, and then verified. The abattoir would be required to confirm when the beast comes in that it had 5 legs and has a certificate to prove it. I feel like you've gone off-piste here. I'm not sure what you're saying. I am not repeating false information . The uk has its own set of standards that are harmonised with the standards set by the Eu. The point I made in the last post - if the Eu changed its standard for beef to have come from 5 legged cows, then the British standard would be updated. Exactly, you seem to now be in agreement with me. But before you were saying we're in control of our food safety standards. We are only in control of making them better. Until we leave. Then we can make them worse so that we can import American food produce. If beef farmers in uk want to sell to Eu, and the Eu have said the cows just have 5 legs then uk will start producing 5 legged cows - that’s commerce and the way business is done. If uk says we don’t like 5 legged cow meat so our market doesn’t have to have 5 legged cow meat standard then that’s up to us . Uk farmers can still have 4 legged cows and also produce 5 legged cows for their Eu customers. The 5 legged cows meet the standards for Eu, the 4 legged ones for our market . This is an extreme example I know ! Just for the record again.... uk standards will not drop after Brexit . As the us-uk deal keeps getting thrown what will happen is that us producers will have to produce product that meets our existing standards. The point is they will have access to the market - but that doesn’t mean they can flood it with any old shit ! Uk standard are staying " That's not how the food safety standards work. I don't know what to say, maybe read up on it? I disagree, there is no hope in hell that US food producers will raise their standards to meet ours. They already run on extremely tight margins, using growth hormones and cheap illegal labour etc etc. If they increase their standards they simply won't make any profit. Also, there's nothing to stop them from raising their standards right now and selling to the EU (a much bigger market than the UK alone). But they haven't. The only option is for us to lower our safety standards. | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer. These things aren't driven by consumer demand. For example food safety standards, they're provided for us by the EU. How many times .... the uk determines its own food standards ... The minimum standards are set by the EU currently. We meet these standards. We cannot drop them, until we leave the EU. When there will be intense pressure from the US to drop them as part of the trade deal. To answer the first part of the question, doesn't matter how many times you repeat false information. It remains false. Oh my goodness !! the uk has its own standards which are aligned with those being set in Europe . If Europe standards agency suddenly said “all beef must be from beasts with 5legs” I am sure the british standard would be updated accordingly, and then verified. The abattoir would be required to confirm when the beast comes in that it had 5 legs and has a certificate to prove it. I feel like you've gone off-piste here. I'm not sure what you're saying. I am not repeating false information . The uk has its own set of standards that are harmonised with the standards set by the Eu. The point I made in the last post - if the Eu changed its standard for beef to have come from 5 legged cows, then the British standard would be updated. Exactly, you seem to now be in agreement with me. But before you were saying we're in control of our food safety standards. We are only in control of making them better. Until we leave. Then we can make them worse so that we can import American food produce. If beef farmers in uk want to sell to Eu, and the Eu have said the cows just have 5 legs then uk will start producing 5 legged cows - that’s commerce and the way business is done. If uk says we don’t like 5 legged cow meat so our market doesn’t have to have 5 legged cow meat standard then that’s up to us . Uk farmers can still have 4 legged cows and also produce 5 legged cows for their Eu customers. The 5 legged cows meet the standards for Eu, the 4 legged ones for our market . This is an extreme example I know ! Just for the record again.... uk standards will not drop after Brexit . As the us-uk deal keeps getting thrown what will happen is that us producers will have to produce product that meets our existing standards. The point is they will have access to the market - but that doesn’t mean they can flood it with any old shit ! Uk standard are staying That's not how the food safety standards work. I don't know what to say, maybe read up on it? I disagree, there is no hope in hell that US food producers will raise their standards to meet ours. They already run on extremely tight margins, using growth hormones and cheap illegal labour etc etc. If they increase their standards they simply won't make any profit. Also, there's nothing to stop them from raising their standards right now and selling to the EU (a much bigger market than the UK alone). But they haven't. The only option is for us to lower our safety standards." I do know about standards and how they work. Food standards will not be adjusted downwards in order to allow less than standard food product to enter the food chain Fact. | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer. These things aren't driven by consumer demand. For example food safety standards, they're provided for us by the EU. How many times .... the uk determines its own food standards ... The minimum standards are set by the EU currently. We meet these standards. We cannot drop them, until we leave the EU. When there will be intense pressure from the US to drop them as part of the trade deal. To answer the first part of the question, doesn't matter how many times you repeat false information. It remains false. Oh my goodness !! the uk has its own standards which are aligned with those being set in Europe . If Europe standards agency suddenly said “all beef must be from beasts with 5legs” I am sure the british standard would be updated accordingly, and then verified. The abattoir would be required to confirm when the beast comes in that it had 5 legs and has a certificate to prove it. I feel like you've gone off-piste here. I'm not sure what you're saying. I am not repeating false information . The uk has its own set of standards that are harmonised with the standards set by the Eu. The point I made in the last post - if the Eu changed its standard for beef to have come from 5 legged cows, then the British standard would be updated. Exactly, you seem to now be in agreement with me. But before you were saying we're in control of our food safety standards. We are only in control of making them better. Until we leave. Then we can make them worse so that we can import American food produce. If beef farmers in uk want to sell to Eu, and the Eu have said the cows just have 5 legs then uk will start producing 5 legged cows - that’s commerce and the way business is done. If uk says we don’t like 5 legged cow meat so our market doesn’t have to have 5 legged cow meat standard then that’s up to us . Uk farmers can still have 4 legged cows and also produce 5 legged cows for their Eu customers. The 5 legged cows meet the standards for Eu, the 4 legged ones for our market . This is an extreme example I know ! Just for the record again.... uk standards will not drop after Brexit . As the us-uk deal keeps getting thrown what will happen is that us producers will have to produce product that meets our existing standards. The point is they will have access to the market - but that doesn’t mean they can flood it with any old shit ! Uk standard are staying That's not how the food safety standards work. I don't know what to say, maybe read up on it? I disagree, there is no hope in hell that US food producers will raise their standards to meet ours. They already run on extremely tight margins, using growth hormones and cheap illegal labour etc etc. If they increase their standards they simply won't make any profit. Also, there's nothing to stop them from raising their standards right now and selling to the EU (a much bigger market than the UK alone). But they haven't. The only option is for us to lower our safety standards. I do know about standards and how they work. Food standards will not be adjusted downwards in order to allow less than standard food product to enter the food chain Fact." It's not fact though. It's currently being negotiated. | |||
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" The only option is for us to lower our safety standards. I do know about standards and how they work. Food standards will not be adjusted downwards in order to allow less than standard food product to enter the food chain Fact." So that's beef and chicken off the trade deal with the US then | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer. These things aren't driven by consumer demand. For example food safety standards, they're provided for us by the EU. How many times .... the uk determines its own food standards ... The minimum standards are set by the EU currently. We meet these standards. We cannot drop them, until we leave the EU. When there will be intense pressure from the US to drop them as part of the trade deal. To answer the first part of the question, doesn't matter how many times you repeat false information. It remains false. Oh my goodness !! the uk has its own standards which are aligned with those being set in Europe . If Europe standards agency suddenly said “all beef must be from beasts with 5legs” I am sure the british standard would be updated accordingly, and then verified. The abattoir would be required to confirm when the beast comes in that it had 5 legs and has a certificate to prove it. I feel like you've gone off-piste here. I'm not sure what you're saying. I am not repeating false information . The uk has its own set of standards that are harmonised with the standards set by the Eu. The point I made in the last post - if the Eu changed its standard for beef to have come from 5 legged cows, then the British standard would be updated. Exactly, you seem to now be in agreement with me. But before you were saying we're in control of our food safety standards. We are only in control of making them better. Until we leave. Then we can make them worse so that we can import American food produce. If beef farmers in uk want to sell to Eu, and the Eu have said the cows just have 5 legs then uk will start producing 5 legged cows - that’s commerce and the way business is done. If uk says we don’t like 5 legged cow meat so our market doesn’t have to have 5 legged cow meat standard then that’s up to us . Uk farmers can still have 4 legged cows and also produce 5 legged cows for their Eu customers. The 5 legged cows meet the standards for Eu, the 4 legged ones for our market . This is an extreme example I know ! Just for the record again.... uk standards will not drop after Brexit . As the us-uk deal keeps getting thrown what will happen is that us producers will have to produce product that meets our existing standards. The point is they will have access to the market - but that doesn’t mean they can flood it with any old shit ! Uk standard are staying " I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer. These things aren't driven by consumer demand. For example food safety standards, they're provided for us by the EU. How many times .... the uk determines its own food standards ... The minimum standards are set by the EU currently. We meet these standards. We cannot drop them, until we leave the EU. When there will be intense pressure from the US to drop them as part of the trade deal. To answer the first part of the question, doesn't matter how many times you repeat false information. It remains false. Oh my goodness !! the uk has its own standards which are aligned with those being set in Europe . If Europe standards agency suddenly said “all beef must be from beasts with 5legs” I am sure the british standard would be updated accordingly, and then verified. The abattoir would be required to confirm when the beast comes in that it had 5 legs and has a certificate to prove it. I feel like you've gone off-piste here. I'm not sure what you're saying. I am not repeating false information . The uk has its own set of standards that are harmonised with the standards set by the Eu. The point I made in the last post - if the Eu changed its standard for beef to have come from 5 legged cows, then the British standard would be updated. Exactly, you seem to now be in agreement with me. But before you were saying we're in control of our food safety standards. We are only in control of making them better. Until we leave. Then we can make them worse so that we can import American food produce. If beef farmers in uk want to sell to Eu, and the Eu have said the cows just have 5 legs then uk will start producing 5 legged cows - that’s commerce and the way business is done. If uk says we don’t like 5 legged cow meat so our market doesn’t have to have 5 legged cow meat standard then that’s up to us . Uk farmers can still have 4 legged cows and also produce 5 legged cows for their Eu customers. The 5 legged cows meet the standards for Eu, the 4 legged ones for our market . This is an extreme example I know ! Just for the record again.... uk standards will not drop after Brexit . As the us-uk deal keeps getting thrown what will happen is that us producers will have to produce product that meets our existing standards. The point is they will have access to the market - but that doesn’t mean they can flood it with any old shit ! Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. " Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? | |||
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"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer. These things aren't driven by consumer demand. For example food safety standards, they're provided for us by the EU. How many times .... the uk determines its own food standards ... The minimum standards are set by the EU currently. We meet these standards. We cannot drop them, until we leave the EU. When there will be intense pressure from the US to drop them as part of the trade deal. To answer the first part of the question, doesn't matter how many times you repeat false information. It remains false. Oh my goodness !! the uk has its own standards which are aligned with those being set in Europe . If Europe standards agency suddenly said “all beef must be from beasts with 5legs” I am sure the british standard would be updated accordingly, and then verified. The abattoir would be required to confirm when the beast comes in that it had 5 legs and has a certificate to prove it. I feel like you've gone off-piste here. I'm not sure what you're saying. I am not repeating false information . The uk has its own set of standards that are harmonised with the standards set by the Eu. The point I made in the last post - if the Eu changed its standard for beef to have come from 5 legged cows, then the British standard would be updated. Exactly, you seem to now be in agreement with me. But before you were saying we're in control of our food safety standards. We are only in control of making them better. Until we leave. Then we can make them worse so that we can import American food produce. If beef farmers in uk want to sell to Eu, and the Eu have said the cows just have 5 legs then uk will start producing 5 legged cows - that’s commerce and the way business is done. If uk says we don’t like 5 legged cow meat so our market doesn’t have to have 5 legged cow meat standard then that’s up to us . Uk farmers can still have 4 legged cows and also produce 5 legged cows for their Eu customers. The 5 legged cows meet the standards for Eu, the 4 legged ones for our market . This is an extreme example I know ! Just for the record again.... uk standards will not drop after Brexit . As the us-uk deal keeps getting thrown what will happen is that us producers will have to produce product that meets our existing standards. The point is they will have access to the market - but that doesn’t mean they can flood it with any old shit ! Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ??" If its not lower standards, what will cause higher trade with the US under a deal? | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer. These things aren't driven by consumer demand. For example food safety standards, they're provided for us by the EU. How many times .... the uk determines its own food standards ... The minimum standards are set by the EU currently. We meet these standards. We cannot drop them, until we leave the EU. When there will be intense pressure from the US to drop them as part of the trade deal. To answer the first part of the question, doesn't matter how many times you repeat false information. It remains false. Oh my goodness !! the uk has its own standards which are aligned with those being set in Europe . If Europe standards agency suddenly said “all beef must be from beasts with 5legs” I am sure the british standard would be updated accordingly, and then verified. The abattoir would be required to confirm when the beast comes in that it had 5 legs and has a certificate to prove it. I feel like you've gone off-piste here. I'm not sure what you're saying. I am not repeating false information . The uk has its own set of standards that are harmonised with the standards set by the Eu. The point I made in the last post - if the Eu changed its standard for beef to have come from 5 legged cows, then the British standard would be updated. Exactly, you seem to now be in agreement with me. But before you were saying we're in control of our food safety standards. We are only in control of making them better. Until we leave. Then we can make them worse so that we can import American food produce. If beef farmers in uk want to sell to Eu, and the Eu have said the cows just have 5 legs then uk will start producing 5 legged cows - that’s commerce and the way business is done. If uk says we don’t like 5 legged cow meat so our market doesn’t have to have 5 legged cow meat standard then that’s up to us . Uk farmers can still have 4 legged cows and also produce 5 legged cows for their Eu customers. The 5 legged cows meet the standards for Eu, the 4 legged ones for our market . This is an extreme example I know ! Just for the record again.... uk standards will not drop after Brexit . As the us-uk deal keeps getting thrown what will happen is that us producers will have to produce product that meets our existing standards. The point is they will have access to the market - but that doesn’t mean they can flood it with any old shit ! Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? If its not lower standards, what will cause higher trade with the US under a deal? " I’m not privy to this information sorry. I’m amazed that if all these people think that next year we will be living in a third world country while eating cheap low standard food. Why arnt you all moving away from the UK ? Surly anywhere would be better, and if any of these people who truly believe this have kids it’s pretty much child abuse to put your kids through this | |||
"Reading all this crap about lowering food standards,well I would never eat a French egg would you? Where to you idiots get your stupid ideas from?" It's in every news outlet that we are currently talking to the US about trade deals. Why wouldn't you eat a French egg? Do you not care about meat and dairy containing growth hormones? Is that because you don't believe it will happen despite what's actually happening right now, Or because you don't know the effects of growth hormones on the human body? | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ??" I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? | |||
" Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? If its not lower standards, what will cause higher trade with the US under a deal? I’m not privy to this information sorry. I’m amazed that if all these people think that next year we will be living in a third world country while eating cheap low standard food. Why arnt you all moving away from the UK ? Surly anywhere would be better, and if any of these people who truly believe this have kids it’s pretty much child abuse to put your kids through this " If you could put forward your arguments in a proper manner without wildly exaggerating what others have said to try and prove your point then you might be taken more seriously. Until then.....  | |||
"Reading all this crap about lowering food standards,well I would never eat a French egg would you? Where to you idiots get your stupid ideas from?" The stuff you post on here and yet you have the gaul to call others idiots is truly fucking amazing | |||
"Reading all this crap about lowering food standards,well I would never eat a French egg would you? Where to you idiots get your stupid ideas from? It's in every news outlet that we are currently talking to the US about trade deals. Why wouldn't you eat a French egg? Do you not care about meat and dairy containing growth hormones? Is that because you don't believe it will happen despite what's actually happening right now, Or because you don't know the effects of growth hormones on the human body?" Sorry but just asking does all US meat contain growth hormone | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? " Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? | |||
" Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? If its not lower standards, what will cause higher trade with the US under a deal? I’m not privy to this information sorry. I’m amazed that if all these people think that next year we will be living in a third world country while eating cheap low standard food. Why arnt you all moving away from the UK ? Surly anywhere would be better, and if any of these people who truly believe this have kids it’s pretty much child abuse to put your kids through this If you could put forward your arguments in a proper manner without wildly exaggerating what others have said to try and prove your point then you might be taken more seriously. Until then..... "Sorry I cant dumb it down anymore, uurrmmm plenty on here said we will be a third world county ,,,, tic And you said we will be eating cheap food ,,, tic Sooooo hope you understand now sweetie | |||
"I'm not suggesting people wouldn't but things without certification. It's the confidence the certification is valid. Be it not forged... Or whoever did the check did it correctly. In order to take a risk based approach to customs checking there must be a risk. Otherwise why check. To stop checking must increase this risk. I don’t see a 300mile soft border raising the risk of non standard product becoming a huge problem . Whether it’s product manufactured within the Eu or from outside of Eu We currently have a seat at the EU decision making table where we can decide what can and can't come in to the common market. We're walking away from our position of influence and now you're suggesting letting the EU, without our input, have control what comes in and out. That doesn't feel much like "taking back control". What comes in to the uk market is driven by consumer demand - and uk doesn’t need a seat at the Eu decision making table to determine what is needed or wanted by the uk consumer. These things aren't driven by consumer demand. For example food safety standards, they're provided for us by the EU. How many times .... the uk determines its own food standards ... The minimum standards are set by the EU currently. We meet these standards. We cannot drop them, until we leave the EU. When there will be intense pressure from the US to drop them as part of the trade deal. To answer the first part of the question, doesn't matter how many times you repeat false information. It remains false. Oh my goodness !! the uk has its own standards which are aligned with those being set in Europe . If Europe standards agency suddenly said “all beef must be from beasts with 5legs” I am sure the british standard would be updated accordingly, and then verified. The abattoir would be required to confirm when the beast comes in that it had 5 legs and has a certificate to prove it. I feel like you've gone off-piste here. I'm not sure what you're saying. I am not repeating false information . The uk has its own set of standards that are harmonised with the standards set by the Eu. The point I made in the last post - if the Eu changed its standard for beef to have come from 5 legged cows, then the British standard would be updated. Exactly, you seem to now be in agreement with me. But before you were saying we're in control of our food safety standards. We are only in control of making them better. Until we leave. Then we can make them worse so that we can import American food produce. If beef farmers in uk want to sell to Eu, and the Eu have said the cows just have 5 legs then uk will start producing 5 legged cows - that’s commerce and the way business is done. If uk says we don’t like 5 legged cow meat so our market doesn’t have to have 5 legged cow meat standard then that’s up to us . Uk farmers can still have 4 legged cows and also produce 5 legged cows for their Eu customers. The 5 legged cows meet the standards for Eu, the 4 legged ones for our market . This is an extreme example I know ! Just for the record again.... uk standards will not drop after Brexit . As the us-uk deal keeps getting thrown what will happen is that us producers will have to produce product that meets our existing standards. The point is they will have access to the market - but that doesn’t mean they can flood it with any old shit ! Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? If its not lower standards, what will cause higher trade with the US under a deal? I’m not privy to this information sorry. I’m amazed that if all these people think that next year we will be living in a third world country while eating cheap low standard food. Why arnt you all moving away from the UK ? Surly anywhere would be better, and if any of these people who truly believe this have kids it’s pretty much child abuse to put your kids through this " Good strawman. I don't think there will be a uk us trade deal. I don't think any government would risk the concessions. We're more likely to sign eu deal. And even if there were reductions, are you saying the US is third world? | |||
" Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? If its not lower standards, what will cause higher trade with the US under a deal? I’m not privy to this information sorry. I’m amazed that if all these people think that next year we will be living in a third world country while eating cheap low standard food. Why arnt you all moving away from the UK ? Surly anywhere would be better, and if any of these people who truly believe this have kids it’s pretty much child abuse to put your kids through this If you could put forward your arguments in a proper manner without wildly exaggerating what others have said to try and prove your point then you might be taken more seriously. Until then.....
Sorry I cant dumb it down anymore, uurrmmm plenty on here said we will be a third world county ,,,, tic
And you said we will be eating cheap food ,,, tic
Sooooo hope you understand now sweetie "Did they say third world. Or a third country. (here's where I get quoted for using the wrong term!) | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ?" No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per | |||
" Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? If its not lower standards, what will cause higher trade with the US under a deal? I’m not privy to this information sorry. I’m amazed that if all these people think that next year we will be living in a third world country while eating cheap low standard food. Why arnt you all moving away from the UK ? Surly anywhere would be better, and if any of these people who truly believe this have kids it’s pretty much child abuse to put your kids through this If you could put forward your arguments in a proper manner without wildly exaggerating what others have said to try and prove your point then you might be taken more seriously. Until then.....
Sorry I cant dumb it down anymore, uurrmmm plenty on here said we will be a third world county ,,,, tic
And you said we will be eating cheap food ,,, tic
Sooooo hope you understand now sweetie "Wrong Iddid not but I'm sure you'll believe otherwise,,, tic | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per "Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years "Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster. Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside. | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years
Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster.
Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside. "I just dont get this chlorinated chicken argument if you dont want to eat it dont buy it nobody is forced to.Companies are not going to import it if they cant sell it. | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years
Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster.
Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside. I just dont get this chlorinated chicken argument if you dont want to eat it dont buy it nobody is forced to.Companies are not going to import it if they cant sell it."Why have any standards then? Let the markets sort it out... (my understanding of the fear, is you wouldn't be able to tell if your chicken sandwich or KFC has chlorinated chicken in it, so the choice is chicken or no chicken in many cases) | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years
Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster.
Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside. I just dont get this chlorinated chicken argument if you dont want to eat it dont buy it nobody is forced to.Companies are not going to import it if they cant sell it.
Why have any standards then? Let the markets sort it out...
(my understanding of the fear, is you wouldn't be able to tell if your chicken sandwich or KFC has chlorinated chicken in it, so the choice is chicken or no chicken in many cases)
"I think you will find kfc as do mcdonalds tell you exactly where their products come from but yes i concede your local sandwich bar could use chlorinated chicken without you knowing.Supermarkets have labels so no problem there. | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years
Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster.
Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside. I just dont get this chlorinated chicken argument if you dont want to eat it dont buy it nobody is forced to.Companies are not going to import it if they cant sell it.
Why have any standards then? Let the markets sort it out...
(my understanding of the fear, is you wouldn't be able to tell if your chicken sandwich or KFC has chlorinated chicken in it, so the choice is chicken or no chicken in many cases)
I think you will find kfc as do mcdonalds tell you exactly where their products come from but yes i concede your local sandwich bar could use chlorinated chicken without you knowing.Supermarkets have labels so no problem there. "Food labelling in supermarkets has to tell you the country of origin for the consumable produce. But as soon as we're out of the EU we can scrap that law so that people can chow down on the hormone and steroid filled meat and dairy without knowing. | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years
Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster.
Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside. I just dont get this chlorinated chicken argument if you dont want to eat it dont buy it nobody is forced to.Companies are not going to import it if they cant sell it.
Why have any standards then? Let the markets sort it out...
(my understanding of the fear, is you wouldn't be able to tell if your chicken sandwich or KFC has chlorinated chicken in it, so the choice is chicken or no chicken in many cases)
I think you will find kfc as do mcdonalds tell you exactly where their products come from but yes i concede your local sandwich bar could use chlorinated chicken without you knowing.Supermarkets have labels so no problem there.
Food labelling in supermarkets has to tell you the country of origin for the consumable produce. But as soon as we're out of the EU we can scrap that law so that people can chow down on the hormone and steroid filled meat and dairy without knowing. "Do you honestly believe they will? | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years
Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster.
Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside. I just dont get this chlorinated chicken argument if you dont want to eat it dont buy it nobody is forced to.Companies are not going to import it if they cant sell it.
Why have any standards then? Let the markets sort it out...
(my understanding of the fear, is you wouldn't be able to tell if your chicken sandwich or KFC has chlorinated chicken in it, so the choice is chicken or no chicken in many cases)
I think you will find kfc as do mcdonalds tell you exactly where their products come from but yes i concede your local sandwich bar could use chlorinated chicken without you knowing.Supermarkets have labels so no problem there.
Food labelling in supermarkets has to tell you the country of origin for the consumable produce. But as soon as we're out of the EU we can scrap that law so that people can chow down on the hormone and steroid filled meat and dairy without knowing. Do you honestly believe they will?"Yes of course. Otherwise the US meat and dairy won't sell as well. Unless it's rediculously cheaper. Removing red tape was one of the reasons for brexit in the first place. The leave team have been up front about that part of things. | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years
Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster.
Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside. "Exactly, if Brexit becomes a disaster I could see the UK desperate enough to drop standards in order to get any trade deals , which I thought was rather clear lol | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years
Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster.
Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside.
Exactly, if Brexit becomes a disaster I could see the UK desperate enough to drop standards in order to get any trade deals , which I thought was rather clear lol"If | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years
Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster.
Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside.
Exactly, if Brexit becomes a disaster I could see the UK desperate enough to drop standards in order to get any trade deals , which I thought was rather clear lol"You do understand that to change the food standard act it has to go through both the house of commons and the house of lords to change the law. | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years
Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster.
Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside.
Exactly, if Brexit becomes a disaster I could see the UK desperate enough to drop standards in order to get any trade deals , which I thought was rather clear lolYou do understand that to change the food standard act it has to go through both the house of commons and the house of lords to change the law."You know full well how they make changes like this. They bundle stuff in together under one bill. With some positive sounding stuff, and they chuck in shit like this. Isn't removing EU restrictions/protections one of the main drivers behind brexit? | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years
Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster.
Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside.
Exactly, if Brexit becomes a disaster I could see the UK desperate enough to drop standards in order to get any trade deals , which I thought was rather clear lol
If "Indeed, if, that I'd already said twice before, if | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years
Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster.
Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside.
Exactly, if Brexit becomes a disaster I could see the UK desperate enough to drop standards in order to get any trade deals , which I thought was rather clear lol
You do understand that to change the food standard act it has to go through both the house of commons and the house of lords to change the law."Are you saying that's impossible then | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years
Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster.
Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside.
Exactly, if Brexit becomes a disaster I could see the UK desperate enough to drop standards in order to get any trade deals , which I thought was rather clear lol
If
Indeed, if, that I'd already said twice before, if "Ok cool so you equally agree it could be ,,, if brexit is a huge success you could see the UK happy enough to keep and maintain standards ?? Yeah | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years
Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster.
Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside.
Exactly, if Brexit becomes a disaster I could see the UK desperate enough to drop standards in order to get any trade deals , which I thought was rather clear lol
You do understand that to change the food standard act it has to go through both the house of commons and the house of lords to change the law.
Are you saying that's impossible then "Not at all nothing is impossible but i dont see a bill to lower food standards getting through a vote in the commons it would be a disaster for any of the parties that brought it in. I doubt it would command a majority either.I can understand people losing total faith in our mp,s when they are trying to go against the will of the people but im sure normality will return once we are out. | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years
Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster.
Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside.
Exactly, if Brexit becomes a disaster I could see the UK desperate enough to drop standards in order to get any trade deals , which I thought was rather clear lol
You do understand that to change the food standard act it has to go through both the house of commons and the house of lords to change the law.
Are you saying that's impossible then Not at all nothing is impossible but i dont see a bill to lower food standards getting through a vote in the commons it would be a disaster for any of the parties that brought it in. I doubt it would command a majority either.I can understand people losing total faith in our mp,s when they are trying to go against the will of the people but im sure normality will return once we are out."Just because it's a terrible idea. Doesn't mean they won't do it and won't convince people along the way that there is some kind of benefit for them. Let me think. There must be a recent example of something that was a terrible idea for the country, something that would only benefit a select few, that they convinced people to vote for by using the time honoured tradition of misinformation and propaganda...... Hmmmmm..... | |||
" Uk standard are staying I'd hope so but depending how bad Brexit becomes I can see all our food standards being dropped like a sack of shit in order to get in cheap foods. Really ?? So you honestly think that this time next year we will all be eating crappy cheap food because the food standards would of dropped ?? Really ?? I don't believe I gave a time scale of 12 months, did I ? Do you also think we'll have trade deals negotiated by this time next year ? Sorry my mistake you didn’t give a time frame But you did say our food standard will be dropped like a sack of shit, do you think it might be 1 year, 5, 10, 20 or maybe 50 ? No I did not say it WILL be dropped, I said I can "see" our standards being dropped if Brexit is a disaster.... very big difference mate as per
Ok when do you SEE the the the standards being dropped ? 1, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years
Is the question, under what conditions can you SEE standards dropping. Which he's kinda answered by saying if Brexit is a disaster.
Imo, I think we would rather cede ground to EU than drop standards, as chlorinated chicken etc is one of the few areas remain has made simple and easy to measure ways of seeing brexit downside.
Exactly, if Brexit becomes a disaster I could see the UK desperate enough to drop standards in order to get any trade deals , which I thought was rather clear lol
You do understand that to change the food standard act it has to go through both the house of commons and the house of lords to change the law.
Are you saying that's impossible then Not at all nothing is impossible but i dont see a bill to lower food standards getting through a vote in the commons it would be a disaster for any of the parties that brought it in. I doubt it would command a majority either.I can understand people losing total faith in our mp,s when they are trying to go against the will of the people but im sure normality will return once we are out."Well said and put, unfortunately he won’t understand much of that mind | |||
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"I agree. Which in the specific case of chlorinated chicken is why we will see a repositioning of this not being a standards thing... Chlorination "protects" from the lower standards earlier in the process. And in general, I see this being a sticking point on trade agreements. Not just US. Because one it is a vote loser. And two, it will be an obvious outcome of brexit. (as we've seen with car job losses, if you can't draw a direct and clear link, brecit will be declared fully innocent)" Well if you want to talk about lower standards earlier in the process why does the eu let countries like france and spain produce foi gras?Its banned in the uk force feeding ducks and geese four times a day so their livers enlarge but the eu are quiet happy for this barbaric act to continue.I dont see this being on top of any remainers agenda. | |||
"I agree. Which in the specific case of chlorinated chicken is why we will see a repositioning of this not being a standards thing... Chlorination "protects" from the lower standards earlier in the process. And in general, I see this being a sticking point on trade agreements. Not just US. Because one it is a vote loser. And two, it will be an obvious outcome of brexit. (as we've seen with car job losses, if you can't draw a direct and clear link, brecit will be declared fully innocent)Well if you want to talk about lower standards earlier in the process why does the eu let countries like france and spain produce foi gras?Its banned in the uk force feeding ducks and geese four times a day so their livers enlarge but the eu are quiet happy for this barbaric act to continue.I dont see this being on top of any remainers agenda." This is an animal welfare issue. Not a food safety standard issue. It's illegal in the UK. Why would this be on our agenda with regards to brexit? | |||
"I agree. Which in the specific case of chlorinated chicken is why we will see a repositioning of this not being a standards thing... Chlorination "protects" from the lower standards earlier in the process. And in general, I see this being a sticking point on trade agreements. Not just US. Because one it is a vote loser. And two, it will be an obvious outcome of brexit. (as we've seen with car job losses, if you can't draw a direct and clear link, brecit will be declared fully innocent)Well if you want to talk about lower standards earlier in the process why does the eu let countries like france and spain produce foi gras?Its banned in the uk force feeding ducks and geese four times a day so their livers enlarge but the eu are quiet happy for this barbaric act to continue.I dont see this being on top of any remainers agenda." The idea remainers see the eu as perfect is odd. If Boris bans the import of fois gras, I would see this as a (small) thumbs up for leaving. | |||
"I agree. Which in the specific case of chlorinated chicken is why we will see a repositioning of this not being a standards thing... Chlorination "protects" from the lower standards earlier in the process. And in general, I see this being a sticking point on trade agreements. Not just US. Because one it is a vote loser. And two, it will be an obvious outcome of brexit. (as we've seen with car job losses, if you can't draw a direct and clear link, brecit will be declared fully innocent)Well if you want to talk about lower standards earlier in the process why does the eu let countries like france and spain produce foi gras?Its banned in the uk force feeding ducks and geese four times a day so their livers enlarge but the eu are quiet happy for this barbaric act to continue.I dont see this being on top of any remainers agenda. This is an animal welfare issue. Not a food safety standard issue. It's illegal in the UK. Why would this be on our agenda with regards to brexit?" i was responding to swingloscouple do keep up. | |||
"I agree. Which in the specific case of chlorinated chicken is why we will see a repositioning of this not being a standards thing... Chlorination "protects" from the lower standards earlier in the process. And in general, I see this being a sticking point on trade agreements. Not just US. Because one it is a vote loser. And two, it will be an obvious outcome of brexit. (as we've seen with car job losses, if you can't draw a direct and clear link, brecit will be declared fully innocent)Well if you want to talk about lower standards earlier in the process why does the eu let countries like france and spain produce foi gras?Its banned in the uk force feeding ducks and geese four times a day so their livers enlarge but the eu are quiet happy for this barbaric act to continue.I dont see this being on top of any remainers agenda. This is an animal welfare issue. Not a food safety standard issue. It's illegal in the UK. Why would this be on our agenda with regards to brexit?i was responding to swingloscouple do keep up. "Gotya. I agree with, I suspect everyone, that the EU has plenty of flaws. There's a lot about it I don't like. But I do like a lot of the standards, and protections as discussed. I think it's a genuine concern that we will lose some of these. | |||
"I agree. Which in the specific case of chlorinated chicken is why we will see a repositioning of this not being a standards thing... Chlorination "protects" from the lower standards earlier in the process. And in general, I see this being a sticking point on trade agreements. Not just US. Because one it is a vote loser. And two, it will be an obvious outcome of brexit. (as we've seen with car job losses, if you can't draw a direct and clear link, brecit will be declared fully innocent)Well if you want to talk about lower standards earlier in the process why does the eu let countries like france and spain produce foi gras?Its banned in the uk force feeding ducks and geese four times a day so their livers enlarge but the eu are quiet happy for this barbaric act to continue.I dont see this being on top of any remainers agenda. This is an animal welfare issue. Not a food safety standard issue. It's illegal in the UK. Why would this be on our agenda with regards to brexit?i was responding to swingloscouple do keep up.
Gotya.
I agree with, I suspect everyone, that the EU has plenty of flaws. There's a lot about it I don't like.
But I do like a lot of the standards, and protections as discussed. I think it's a genuine concern that we will lose some of these." | |||
"I agree. Which in the specific case of chlorinated chicken is why we will see a repositioning of this not being a standards thing... Chlorination "protects" from the lower standards earlier in the process. And in general, I see this being a sticking point on trade agreements. Not just US. Because one it is a vote loser. And two, it will be an obvious outcome of brexit. (as we've seen with car job losses, if you can't draw a direct and clear link, brecit will be declared fully innocent)Well if you want to talk about lower standards earlier in the process why does the eu let countries like france and spain produce foi gras?Its banned in the uk force feeding ducks and geese four times a day so their livers enlarge but the eu are quiet happy for this barbaric act to continue.I dont see this being on top of any remainers agenda. The idea remainers see the eu as perfect is odd. If Boris bans the import of fois gras, I would see this as a (small) thumbs up for leaving. ". In the absolute utter shambles that is Brexit I do not think I have heard one person say the EU is perfect ,, if they have .. they are as dillusional as those who think leaving a massive trade organisation (on our door step ) is a good idea | |||
