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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Given his track record of both literally and metaphorically shafting people in close proximity to him in government or otherwise , can Boris be seen as a credible negotiator from the EU point of view.
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"Given his track record of both literally and metaphorically shafting people in close proximity to him in government or otherwise , can Boris be seen as a credible negotiator from the EU point of view.
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If he literally shafted people that were not in close proximity to him, then .... extra long penis I guess. Great bloke ! |
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I don’t know about from the Eu point of view, but from the uk point of view I don’t think he has any reason not to try and get something better.
I have no reason to mistrust him, and believe he has a firmer and more confident hold of the business in hand. |
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"I don’t know about from the Eu point of view, but from the uk point of view I don’t think he has any reason not to try and get something better.
I have no reason to mistrust him, and believe he has a firmer and more confident hold of the business in hand."
In this context what is "something better"? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Once it’s all gone tits up Boris and his millionaire mates will all be ok but it’s the workers who will suffer"
Well they can continue to avoid paying taxes. |
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"I don’t know about from the Eu point of view, but from the uk point of view I don’t think he has any reason not to try and get something better.
I have no reason to mistrust him, and believe he has a firmer and more confident hold of the business in hand.
In this context what is "something better"?"
Something that will pass with a majority. |
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"I don’t know about from the Eu point of view, but from the uk point of view I don’t think he has any reason not to try and get something better.
I have no reason to mistrust him, and believe he has a firmer and more confident hold of the business in hand.
In this context what is "something better"?
Something that will pass with a majority."
I can't see that's in his interest. But if it was, then I don't know how he's going to achieve that. The EU won't budge, or at least have said they won't. He seems prepared to push for a no deal brexit as if it's a bargaining chip.
Whatever about my personal opinions of the man,. He is clever at deflecting criticism, but he's not got a good record of negotiating well.
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"I don’t know about from the Eu point of view, but from the uk point of view I don’t think he has any reason not to try and get something better.
I have no reason to mistrust him, and believe he has a firmer and more confident hold of the business in hand.
In this context what is "something better"?
Something that will pass with a majority.
I can't see that's in his interest. But if it was, then I don't know how he's going to achieve that. The EU won't budge, or at least have said they won't. He seems prepared to push for a no deal brexit as if it's a bargaining chip.
Whatever about my personal opinions of the man,. He is clever at deflecting criticism, but he's not got a good record of negotiating well.
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Why do you think it’s not in his interests to do the best for the uk?
Why would he want to do a bad job? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don’t know about from the Eu point of view, but from the uk point of view I don’t think he has any reason not to try and get something better.
I have no reason to mistrust him, and believe he has a firmer and more confident hold of the business in hand.
In this context what is "something better"?
Something that will pass with a majority.
I can't see that's in his interest. But if it was, then I don't know how he's going to achieve that. The EU won't budge, or at least have said they won't. He seems prepared to push for a no deal brexit as if it's a bargaining chip.
Whatever about my personal opinions of the man,. He is clever at deflecting criticism, but he's not got a good record of negotiating well.
Why do you think it’s not in his interests to do the best for the uk?
Why would he want to do a bad job?"
I don't think they said he would want to do a bad job but the UK doing well or not won't make a jot of difference to him financially. |
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He can't be trusted except to only have his own interests as a priority. He's not got a good track record of much else other than his own ego being too inflated and being untrustworthy, whilst a person who is morally bankrupt.
I'd only restate my position with him, whilst getting a detailed agreement upon what he is to do. Any vague outlines would be unfit for purpose. Merkel is fair, ensuring it's explicitly clear that it's him, not the EU, which carries responsibility for this black and white next step.
He wants to blame everybody else but take personal responsibility and will still probably do so for the foreseeable future. With such a person with a vacuum of accountability, as he views it, he is barely fit to undertake the most menial of tasks, always under complete observation and with zero potential to avoid anything he is obliged to do.
He's surrounded himself with very dubious people who have a similar track record of both failure and immoral interests. That is not a vehicle for success or proper accountability and achievements for the common good.
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I think the EU could trust him, however he would need to present a plan that is more than "technology will solve it".
If he does not want a backstop then he has to fully implement his border technology proposals before a trade deal can be done. He cant skip the border issue without a promise.
As long as he keeps saying he can skip the border issue, do a trade deal and then figure out the border issue later, he cant be taken seriously. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I don’t know about from the Eu point of view, but from the uk point of view I don’t think he has any reason not to try and get something better.
I have no reason to mistrust him, and believe he has a firmer and more confident hold of the business in hand.
In this context what is "something better"?
Something that will pass with a majority."
The ERG wing of the Conservative Party says it will vote down ANY agreement with EU, so Johnson has as much chance as May did. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Why do you think it’s not in his interests to do the best for the uk?
Why would he want to do a bad job?
I don't think they said he would want to do a bad job but the UK doing well or not won't make a jot of difference to him financially. "
This.
He doesn't care about getting re-elected. He just wants to make sure brexit is done for his own, and his Eton mates, financial interests.
If he had any interest in doing what's best for UK he would stop brexit. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
can boris be trusted?? probably as much as ypu can trust 90% of other politicians.majority do whats best for them and big buisness the general public are just an inconvenience and can go fuck emselves as far as most m.ps are concerned |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"I don’t know about from the Eu point of view, but from the uk point of view I don’t think he has any reason not to try and get something better.
I have no reason to mistrust him, and believe he has a firmer and more confident hold of the business in hand.
In this context what is "something better"?
Something that will pass with a majority.
The ERG wing of the Conservative Party says it will vote down ANY agreement with EU, so Johnson has as much chance as May did."
This is right too. I think everyone is becoming “backstop” obsessed and forgetting that this is still a “Damaging Tory Brexit” that most Labour MP’s would vote against and a Withdrawal Agreement that many hard line Tory MP’s have consistently voted against. |
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"I don’t know about from the Eu point of view, but from the uk point of view I don’t think he has any reason not to try and get something better.
I have no reason to mistrust him, and believe he has a firmer and more confident hold of the business in hand.
In this context what is "something better"?
Something that will pass with a majority.
I can't see that's in his interest. But if it was, then I don't know how he's going to achieve that. The EU won't budge, or at least have said they won't. He seems prepared to push for a no deal brexit as if it's a bargaining chip.
Whatever about my personal opinions of the man,. He is clever at deflecting criticism, but he's not got a good record of negotiating well.
Why do you think it’s not in his interests to do the best for the uk?
Why would he want to do a bad job?
I don't think they said he would want to do a bad job but the UK doing well or not won't make a jot of difference to him financially. "
So if he isn’t doing it for money, why is he doing it?
I don’t think he would go in to this thinking, either way, good or bad outcome I’m not really bothered. Why would he ?
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Johnson backed Leave, in the expectation Remain would win but he would win Brownie points with the Tory grassroots for the next leadership election.
Well, he got the Brownie points alright. He just did not expect to have Brexit, too.
But he achieved what he set out to do - to further the career of Boris Johnson.
He is the last throw of the dice for the Conservative Party, and perhaps the country, too.
Deliver Brexit and fuck the country. Fail to deliver Brexit and fuck the Conservative Party.
I am pleased, though, that those responsible for Brexit now have responsibility for the shambles they created. As much as they will try to shift the blame, this is a shambles entirely of their own making. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The reason I posted this is that when Jacob Rees Mogg tweeted that he ‘trusted ‘ Boris to deliver Brexit, one of the best come back lines to his tweet was
‘ I would’nt trust Boris to take the rubbish out without insulting the neighbours and trying to fuck the bins’ |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I don’t know about from the Eu point of view, but from the uk point of view I don’t think he has any reason not to try and get something better.
I have no reason to mistrust him, and believe he has a firmer and more confident hold of the business in hand."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Johnson backed Leave, in the expectation Remain would win but he would win Brownie points with the Tory grassroots for the next leadership election.
Well, he got the Brownie points alright. He just did not expect to have Brexit, too.
But he achieved what he set out to do - to further the career of Boris Johnson.
He is the last throw of the dice for the Conservative Party, and perhaps the country, too.
Deliver Brexit and fuck the country. Fail to deliver Brexit and fuck the Conservative Party.
I am pleased, though, that those responsible for Brexit now have responsibility for the shambles they created. As much as they will try to shift the blame, this is a shambles entirely of their own making."
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"Once it’s all gone tits up Boris and his millionaire mates will all be ok but it’s the workers who will suffer
Well they can continue to avoid paying taxes. "
Of course this is bo**ocks, the top 1% of earners contibute 28% of the income tax the government receives. The top 50% contibute 90%. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Once it’s all gone tits up Boris and his millionaire mates will all be ok but it’s the workers who will suffer
Well they can continue to avoid paying taxes.
Of course this is bo**ocks, the top 1% of earners contibute 28% of the income tax the government receives. The top 50% contibute 90%. "
It's not the earners which are making the serious money. It's those with wealth. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Once it’s all gone tits up Boris and his millionaire mates will all be ok but it’s the workers who will suffer
Well they can continue to avoid paying taxes.
Of course this is bo**ocks, the top 1% of earners contibute 28% of the income tax the government receives. The top 50% contibute 90%. "
Even if that's true. Why would this justify some of the ultra rich, Boris Johnson, Rees Mogg etc, avoiding paying their tax?
It's not the "top earners" who pay tax who are the problem. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Once it’s all gone tits up Boris and his millionaire mates will all be ok but it’s the workers who will suffer
Well they can continue to avoid paying taxes.
Of course this is bo**ocks, the top 1% of earners contibute 28% of the income tax the government receives. The top 50% contibute 90%. "
There is a material difference in “earners” and the self employed when it comes to arranging their tax affairs. |
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"Once it’s all gone tits up Boris and his millionaire mates will all be ok but it’s the workers who will suffer
Well they can continue to avoid paying taxes.
Of course this is bo**ocks, the top 1% of earners contibute 28% of the income tax the government receives. The top 50% contibute 90%.
Even if that's true. Why would this justify some of the ultra rich, Boris Johnson, Rees Mogg etc, avoiding paying their tax?
It's not the "top earners" who pay tax who are the problem."
Firstly who is suggesting Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg are avoiding paying tax? My point is that people like them are actually the ones who pay most of the tax that pays for the hospitals, schools etc. Oh, and then they probably don't even use them because they pay for private education and private health care. So a double win for the roughly 43% who actually pay no tax at all. |
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"Once it’s all gone tits up Boris and his millionaire mates will all be ok but it’s the workers who will suffer
Well they can continue to avoid paying taxes.
Of course this is bo**ocks, the top 1% of earners contibute 28% of the income tax the government receives. The top 50% contibute 90%.
There is a material difference in “earners” and the self employed when it comes to arranging their tax affairs."
Would that be the same self employed who get no sick pay, holiday pay or company pension contributions. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
Johnson , is now saying that the financial agreement between the BBC and the Government was conditional on the BBC providing a free TV Licence to those over 75 .. ... This is incorrect ( or you could say this is a lie ) .. ,, |
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"Johnson , is now saying that the financial agreement between the BBC and the Government was conditional on the BBC providing a free TV Licence to those over 75 .. ... This is incorrect ( or you could say this is a lie ) .. ,,"
If it's incorrect then it's just an alternative fact |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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"Johnson , is now saying that the financial agreement between the BBC and the Government was conditional on the BBC providing a free TV Licence to those over 75 .. ... This is incorrect ( or you could say this is a lie ) .. ,,
If it's incorrect then it's just an alternative fact "
. It is our Prime Minister telling a lie |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
Although I am in future going to listen to Johnson if he gives any more betting tips ,, a short while ago he said the chance of no deal was 1,000,000/1 , I wish I'd placed a fiver on that at Ladbrokes , cos Johnson now saying it's "evens" |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Johnson , is now saying that the financial agreement between the BBC and the Government was conditional on the BBC providing a free TV Licence to those over 75 .. ... This is incorrect ( or you could say this is a lie ) .. ,,
If it's incorrect then it's just an alternative fact .
It is our Prime Minister telling a lie "
Most probably but I cannot be bothered looking up what was said or in the agreement between the BBC and the Government etc but I can highly believe it if someone says Boris is lying. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
Today's lie appears to be that Melton Mowbray Pork Pies are sold in Thailand & Iceland ( over to Brexit Johnson supporters to show he was telling the truth ) .. Or is he , once again , telling " porkies" |
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"Today's lie appears to be that Melton Mowbray Pork Pies are sold in Thailand & Iceland ( over to Brexit Johnson supporters to show he was telling the truth ) .. Or is he , once again , telling " porkies""
Corbon looks shifty I like Boris he has a bit of character for a change |
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"Johnson , is now saying that the financial agreement between the BBC and the Government was conditional on the BBC providing a free TV Licence to those over 75 .. ... This is incorrect ( or you could say this is a lie ) .. ,,
If it's incorrect then it's just an alternative fact .
It is our Prime Minister telling a lie
Most probably but I cannot be bothered looking up what was said or in the agreement between the BBC and the Government etc but I can highly believe it if someone says Boris is lying. "
And that sums you up perfectly |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Given his track record of both literally and metaphorically shafting people in close proximity to him in government or otherwise , can Boris be seen as a credible negotiator from the EU point of view.
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Yes definitely he is a clever and devious politition,it is what we need.All good polititions have to have cunning and a devious side,otherwise they get outwitted as stupid but honest May was |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
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"Johnson , is now saying that the financial agreement between the BBC and the Government was conditional on the BBC providing a free TV Licence to those over 75 .. ... This is incorrect ( or you could say this is a lie ) .. ,,
If it's incorrect then it's just an alternative fact . It is our Prime Minister telling a lie "
It is nt a lie it is an interpretation of facts,but truth defeats you |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Given his track record of both literally and metaphorically shafting people in close proximity to him in government or otherwise , can Boris be seen as a credible negotiator from the EU point of view.
Yes definitely he is a clever and devious politition,it is what we need.All good polititions have to have cunning and a devious side,otherwise they get outwitted as stupid but honest May was"
I prefer less lies and more integrity. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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"Johnson , is now saying that the financial agreement between the BBC and the Government was conditional on the BBC providing a free TV Licence to those over 75 .. ... This is incorrect ( or you could say this is a lie ) .. ,,
If it's incorrect then it's just an alternative fact . It is our Prime Minister telling a lie It is nt a lie it is an interpretation of facts,but truth defeats you"
. The agreement between the conservative government and the BBC did not state that the BBC had to give free TV Licence to the over 75 , so if the Johnson said it did it is a lie |
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"Given his track record of both literally and metaphorically shafting people in close proximity to him in government or otherwise , can Boris be seen as a credible negotiator from the EU point of view.
Yes definitely he is a clever and devious politition,it is what we need.All good polititions have to have cunning and a devious side,otherwise they get outwitted as stupid but honest May was
I prefer less lies and more integrity."
Sure we all would, but unfortunately that would rule out pretty much every politician |
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Tories say he did a great job in London! Well he did shut a lot of fire stations, cuts to the police, promise the build affordable houses (for bankers and politicians). Blew millions on a bus with windows that didn’t open, and a bridge that never was? Got out just before the shite hit the fan???
Reminds me of Trump!!! |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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"Tories say he did a great job in London! Well he did shut a lot of fire stations, cuts to the police, promise the build affordable houses (for bankers and politicians). Blew millions on a bus with windows that didn’t open, and a bridge that never was? Got out just before the shite hit the fan???
Reminds me of Trump!!!"
. Johnson's big claim about his time as London Mayor was that crime fell by 20% ,,, that was until his interview with Andrew Neill when Neill pointed out that crime fell in the rest of the country at the same time by 26% ,, |
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"Tories say he did a great job in London! Well he did shut a lot of fire stations, cuts to the police, promise the build affordable houses (for bankers and politicians). Blew millions on a bus with windows that didn’t open, and a bridge that never was? Got out just before the shite hit the fan???
Reminds me of Trump!!!. Johnson's big claim about his time as London Mayor was that crime fell by 20% ,,, that was until his interview with Andrew Neill when Neill pointed out that crime fell in the rest of the country at the same time by 26% ,, "
Presumably Andrew Neil would have been happier if Boris had achieved the massive escalation of crime rates that Sadiq has proven himself to be very capable of ? What a strange world we live in. Lol |
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"Tories say he did a great job in London! Well he did shut a lot of fire stations, cuts to the police, promise the build affordable houses (for bankers and politicians). Blew millions on a bus with windows that didn’t open, and a bridge that never was? Got out just before the shite hit the fan???
Reminds me of Trump!!!. Johnson's big claim about his time as London Mayor was that crime fell by 20% ,,, that was until his interview with Andrew Neill when Neill pointed out that crime fell in the rest of the country at the same time by 26% ,,
Presumably Andrew Neil would have been happier if Boris had achieved the massive escalation of crime rates that Sadiq has proven himself to be very capable of ? What a strange world we live in. Lol"
Non sequitar and whataboutary.
It would be interesting to see how London fared versus the national average.
I'm guessing Marr was happy crime was falling. Just wasn't giving Boris the credit. He managed to not get in the way of a national trend. |
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"Johnson , is now saying that the financial agreement between the BBC and the Government was conditional on the BBC providing a free TV Licence to those over 75 .. ... This is incorrect ( or you could say this is a lie ) .. ,,
If it's incorrect then it's just an alternative fact .
It is our Prime Minister telling a lie
Most probably but I cannot be bothered looking up what was said or in the agreement between the BBC and the Government etc but I can highly believe it if someone says Boris is lying.
And that sums you up perfectly "
Go on then it's your big time to shine, how does that one comment sum me up perfectly? |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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"Tories say he did a great job in London! Well he did shut a lot of fire stations, cuts to the police, promise the build affordable houses (for bankers and politicians). Blew millions on a bus with windows that didn’t open, and a bridge that never was? Got out just before the shite hit the fan???
Reminds me of Trump!!!. Johnson's big claim about his time as London Mayor was that crime fell by 20% ,,, that was until his interview with Andrew Neill when Neill pointed out that crime fell in the rest of the country at the same time by 26% ,,
Presumably Andrew Neil would have been happier if Boris had achieved the massive escalation of crime rates that Sadiq has proven himself to be very capable of ? What a strange world we live in. Lol
Non sequitar and whataboutary.
It would be interesting to see how London fared versus the national average.
I'm guessing Marr was happy crime was falling. Just wasn't giving Boris the credit. He managed to not get in the way of a national trend. "
. Johnson was also not faced with the savage unnecessary cuts to the police that his Conservative party have inflicted on our nation , ( maybe another reason why crime was falling ) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No. He's the classic stereotype of a modern politician. Only he hides it with blunder, bufoonery and comedy.
Having said that.. I wouldn't trust Corbyn or any other politician any more/less.
This is no Democracy.
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
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Boris is lying to us!
He almost certainly has no intention of leaving according to the referendum - in which it was made expressly clear a leave vote meant leaving the customs union and single market, either completely in or completely out (and also it's a ONE TIME vote, THIS is IT, we will implement what you decide etc etc)
Come Nov 1st it will be the same old stalling for time until they can reverse the democratic vote.
Boris is saying all this because the recent Brexit party has gained traction and are a threat to the established order.
So he's saying "Splutter bluuuurgh Don't vote for them! Vote for us and we'll get the job done splutter splutter bluuurgh."
Then when people who wanted to leave - and are still waiting to - trust him and give him their vote, he will pull the rug out. Boris is just another servant to his masters, who want to remain so they can get on with their federal superstate.
There's no need for a fuss because we aren't leaving on Oct 31st.
There's a small possibility of leaving with some sort of deal, but as we can now see any sort of deal is really just about the EU maintaining power and getting their way with us anyway, and can be summed up by this short 3sec clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA
Utter charade. |
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