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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

When viewing the currency exchange rates, I become angered by the weakness of sterling and the Strength of the Euro.

Yet, which is better? A strong pound or a weak pound?

I like to perform the "wine test".

It works like this, if a bottle of wine can be bought in a French supermarket for 1 euro, how much does that cost in pounds? And can I buy the same bottle of wine in my local Tesco / Sainsbury / Aldi for the same price?

How much is the cheapest bottle of wine in France and how much is the cheapest bottle of wine in England?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"When viewing the currency exchange rates, I become angered by the weakness of sterling and the Strength of the Euro.

Yet, which is better? A strong pound or a weak pound?

I like to perform the "wine test".

It works like this, if a bottle of wine can be bought in a French supermarket for 1 euro, how much does that cost in pounds? And can I buy the same bottle of wine in my local Tesco / Sainsbury / Aldi for the same price?

How much is the cheapest bottle of wine in France and how much is the cheapest bottle of wine in England?"

UK tax plays a major role.

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

The days of loading up your car in a French supermarket are almost over.

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

What is the UK limit? One litre of spirit and X of wine?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan  over a year ago

Kent


"How much is the cheapest bottle of wine in France and how much is the cheapest bottle of wine in England?"

If you're buying the cheapest bottle you're in trouble to begin with!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How much is the cheapest bottle of wine in France and how much is the cheapest bottle of wine in England?

If you're buying the cheapest bottle you're in trouble to begin with!"

Ha, Hock is one of the cheapest wines I know of and I used to quite like it

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich

who cares how much it costs when pissed.

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

I buy bottles of red wine from Lidl and Aldi.

Somewhere £4.99 twixt £6 usually.

Does the job.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"who cares how much it costs when pissed. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"How much is the cheapest bottle of wine in France and how much is the cheapest bottle of wine in England?

If you're buying the cheapest bottle you're in trouble to begin with!"

Never said I was buying it, only said I look at the price of the cheapest.

Typically in Aldi, cheapest wine is about £3.69 and in France cheapest wine is about 1 Euro. So, if I'm in France and I pay £3.69 for a bottle of French wine, it's almost certain to beat the pants off anything in Aldi.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How much is the cheapest bottle of wine in France and how much is the cheapest bottle of wine in England?

If you're buying the cheapest bottle you're in trouble to begin with!

Never said I was buying it, only said I look at the price of the cheapest.

Typically in Aldi, cheapest wine is about £3.69 and in France cheapest wine is about 1 Euro. So, if I'm in France and I pay £3.69 for a bottle of French wine, it's almost certain to beat the pants off anything in Aldi."

I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make but obviously wine made and sold in France will be cheaper than the same wine made in France then transported here.

Then there's alcohol duty rates to be taken into account, is Frances duty less than the UK's?, I'd hazard a guess it probably is.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Here's an interesting fact about our duty rates...


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For all the Government’s talk of future free trade agreements around the world, the EU tariff on wines imported from outside the EU is 25 times less than UK duty of £2.16. The EU tariff per bottle is 8.5p (9.8 eurocents) for 13% vol or less, or 10p (11.55 eurocents) for wines between 13% and 15%

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

So adding on the VAT a bottle of wine is already standing us at around £2.40 a bottle and that's just taxation....

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple  over a year ago

canterbury

Bottle of st David...local wine 1.89 euros yesterday ....last time I looked in Tesco same wine seven pounds nintyfive ....that was six months ago ....big margins somewhere x

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan  over a year ago

here

On an £8 bottle of wine 45% is duty and vat - before the cost of the wine, packaging, shipping and distribution has been accounted for.

There is margin, but maybe only around gross 20%

Bottles of wine costing less than £6.80 - the duty and vat account for 61%+ so the gross profit margin would be much lower.

The average cost of a bottle of wine in the uk is about £5.68.

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich

being in or out of the eu is not going to make any difference to the price plenty of good wines from chile,australia,new zealand and surprise surprise England.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan  over a year ago

here


"being in or out of the eu is not going to make any difference to the price plenty of good wines from chile,australia,new zealand and surprise surprise England. "

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East


"being in or out of the eu is not going to make any difference to the price plenty of good wines from chile,australia,new zealand and surprise surprise England. "

These wines are imported under whatever trade arrangement the EU has with the producer countries.

What are the tariffs under these arrangements and what will the tariffs be if UK defaults to WTO rules?

Or is this one of the products the UK has declared will be tariff-free post-Brexit?

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

"The UK is the second largest importer of wine

in the world with 99% of all wine and sparkling

wine consumed coming from outside the UK. Approximately half is produced in the EU while the remainder comes mostly from Australia, USA, Chile, Argentina, South Africa and New Zealand."

- Wine and Spirit Trade Association

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

More from the Wine and Spirits Trade Association (Feb 2019):

"The WSTA has written letters to Ministers Michael Gove, Liam Fox and Philip Hammond outlining its concerns over the mounting costs facing the wine industry in the event of a no deal Brexit.

"Should that happen, it says UK wine businesses will have to “jump through hoops” to import wine into the UK with the introduction of new forms and laboratory test demands that will amount to costs of £70 million for both the UK and European wine industries.

"Under the current system, as a member of the EU, the UK has access to the EU’s Excise Movement Control System (EMCS) which tracks alcohol coming in and going out of the country documenting consignments electronically. EMCS allows all alcohol categories to and from the EU to be moved on with no extra checks of costs. Currently, 55% of wine consumed in the UK is imported from the EU.

"In the event of a no-deal Brexit, European wine producers will have to pay to fill out a VI-1 form to import wine into the UK, and for extra laboratory tests for every consignment of wine sent to the UK, no matter how big or small, generating an estimated 500,000 new VI-1 forms.

"Likewise, any wine entering the EU from the UK will have to be accompanied by a VI-1 form, which will generate an estimated additional 150,000 forms. Each two-page form costs an estimated £20, which has to be filled out by hand.

"UK wine inspectors will find their workloads increase overnight, with every handwritten VI-1 form needing to be scrutinised and stamped before wine from Europe is allowed into the UK.

‘DROWNING IN PAPERWORK’

"The WSTA estimates that it would take 12 full time wine inspectors a whole year to process the half a million new VI-1 forms expected to mount up after a no deal Brexit. This does not take into account the other work carried out by Wine Standards who currently consist of a team of six regional inspectors.

“The burden, particularly on small wine producers that often stock independent wine merchants, is likely to be too great and in some cases wine supplies from smaller vineyards into the UK are expected to dry up,” the WSTA warns.

"When added to wine duty hikes, enforced by the Chancellor earlier this month, as well as the introduction of wine tariffs and rising inflation – a no deal Brexit will mean UK wine consumers will face a rise in prices.

“The additional form filling and laboratory tests required for a no deal scenario will come as a real blow to exporters and importers alike,” said Miles Beale, chief executive of the Wine and Spirit Trade Association (WSTA).

“Wine inspectors will find themselves drowning in paperwork and – unless they can double their workforce – wine consignments are going to be held up by unnecessary additional red tape. The reality is that if we leave the EU without a deal wine businesses, big and small, will be facing a catalogue of extra costs which will ultimately be passed onto the British consumer.”

A spokesperson for the SWA added: “A no-deal Brexit will lead to disruption in our exports to the EU and increased costs in other global markets. Small and medium sized producers, as well as some companies in our supply chain, risk being worst affected.

“As both a consumer and excise good, complex changes to, for example, the labelling of Scotch Whisky and the procedures for moving consignments across Europe could be required at very short notice. The industry is investing a great deal of resources in no-deal preparedness, but there remain issues where planning is difficult because we cannot be certain of the terms under which we will be trading with Europe after 29 March.”

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

Drowining in paperwork, small foreign producers unable to afford the cost, £70m a year in new costs - sounds like another piece of Brekshit spin on this thread.

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By *illwill69uMan  over a year ago

moston

Wine isn't a fair product for your test OP. We are not a major producer or worldwide exporter of wine, rather an importer with little production capacity. Therefore for your test to be valid one would have to pick a product where there is parity between the UK and France, lets say potatoes...

How do supermarket prices match there? Or even at the local fish and chip shop...

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

UK is 2nd largest importer of wine in the world.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"being in or out of the eu is not going to make any difference to the price plenty of good wines from chile,australia,new zealand and surprise surprise England. "

Indeed, it's our own government that taxes the hell out of alcohol

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

Wine consumption in the UK annually is about 110 million nine litre cases.

The industry says a no Deal Brexit will add £70 million in red tape costs annually.

By my reckoning, that's about £1.50 extra a case.

Tariff changes need to be added on top.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"When viewing the currency exchange rates, I become angered by the weakness of sterling and the Strength of the Euro.

Yet, which is better? A strong pound or a weak pound?

I like to perform the "wine test".

It works like this, if a bottle of wine can be bought in a French supermarket for 1 euro, how much does that cost in pounds? And can I buy the same bottle of wine in my local Tesco / Sainsbury / Aldi for the same price?

How much is the cheapest bottle of wine in France and how much is the cheapest bottle of wine in England?"

Just perform the test as you say you normally do, instead of asking others to do it for you.

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