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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
" o no the scaremongers have started saying there is going to be a food shortage and prices will be sky high"
canned foods..... nah....
fresh food and veg for example... possibly...
if there does end up being pinchpoint issues at the channel tunnel and/or dover calais ferry route...... spoiler,the uk doesn't produce much of its own stuff "out of season" so yes, scarcity may force fruit and veg prices up.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"why do the make statements like that and it starts a stampede at the shops and petrol stn "
Amazing.
I'll be back in a sec to answer you properly, I'm just going to stampede down to my local garage to buy up all their lion bars. |
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Evaluate the situation as well as the sources of predictions.
Lots of discussions here in different threads, covering more detailed predictions and explanations. A vague claim is unquantifiable and has no source. Some common sense covers how prices vary by supply and demand as well as impacts of increased costs |
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"Evaluate the situation as well as the sources of predictions.
Lots of discussions here in different threads, covering more detailed predictions and explanations. A vague claim is unquantifiable and has no source. Some common sense covers how prices vary by supply and demand as well as impacts of increased costs"
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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"why do the make statements like that and it starts a stampede at the shops and petrol stn "
. I don't think there will be food shortages and there definitely won't be a stampede to the shops , because if the shortages do occur then the people who voted leave and therefore caused the problem will obviously do the decent thing and allow others to do their shopping first thereby lessening the rush
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"why do the make statements like that and it starts a stampede at the shops and petrol stn . I don't think there will be food shortages and there definitely won't be a stampede to the shops , because if the shortages do occur then the people who voted leave and therefore caused the problem will obviously do the decent thing and allow others to do their shopping first thereby lessening the rush "
They won't do it because they will have their beloved control  |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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A lot of fruit and veg is imported to the eu from outside they are not the sole providers although most is imported through holland.Over the last 10 years imports have risen by 1.3 million tonnes.These imports are driven by seasons so much comes from south africa ,costa rica,morrocco,chile and peru. |
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"A lot of fruit and veg is imported to the eu from outside they are not the sole providers although most is imported through holland.Over the last 10 years imports have risen by 1.3 million tonnes.These imports are driven by seasons so much comes from south africa ,costa rica,morrocco,chile and peru."
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Presumably this fruit and veg will now have to go thru customs in Holland and at Dover now? "
How does that work?
Produce is imported to the EU under whatever trade arrangement/tariffs exist with the third country.
The same produce is then exported from the EU to another third country, the UK, under whatever trade arrangement/tariffs exist.
Who pays what tariff and where?
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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" o no the scaremongers have started saying there is going to be a food shortage and prices will be sky high
canned foods..... nah....
fresh food and veg for example... possibly...
if there does end up being pinchpoint issues at the channel tunnel and/or dover calais ferry route...... spoiler,the uk doesn't produce much of its own stuff "out of season" so yes, scarcity may force fruit and veg prices up...."
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"A lot of fruit and veg is imported to the eu from outside they are not the sole providers although most is imported through holland.Over the last 10 years imports have risen by 1.3 million tonnes.These imports are driven by seasons so much comes from south africa ,costa rica,morrocco,chile and peru.
Presumably this fruit and veg will now have to go thru customs in Holland and at Dover now? "
I have no idea maybe felixstowe or any number of ports but would think they will ship direct to the uk once we are out and hopefully tariff free so could be cheaper as the eu imposes tariffs on anything they produce to keep the prices higher and protect their producers. |
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"A lot of fruit and veg is imported to the eu from outside they are not the sole providers although most is imported through holland.Over the last 10 years imports have risen by 1.3 million tonnes.These imports are driven by seasons so much comes from south africa ,costa rica,morrocco,chile and peru.
Presumably this fruit and veg will now have to go thru customs in Holland and at Dover now? I have no idea maybe felixstowe or any number of ports but would think they will ship direct to the uk once we are out and hopefully tariff free so could be cheaper as the eu imposes tariffs on anything they produce to keep the prices higher and protect their producers."
Can you explain how it will be tariff free , perhaps first could you show the produce the tariffs and countries that we import from now
So I'll start , currently , whilst in season , there are no tariffs for lemons from Spain however there are from south America, when they are not in season the south American tariff is removed
So let's have a current list of foods and tariffs |
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"A lot of fruit and veg is imported to the eu from outside they are not the sole providers although most is imported through holland.Over the last 10 years imports have risen by 1.3 million tonnes.These imports are driven by seasons so much comes from south africa ,costa rica,morrocco,chile and peru."
I hear talk that they are going to cut out holland and send it straight to the UK. Think our ports are going to be busy again, sorry that's a good new story don't want to upset the remainers.
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Oh no we may have to grow our own ....ww2 spirit ..
.ps if we can get some more global warming coming in ...We won't even need to import those exotic fruits you all keep talking about ...so see problem solved .... |
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"A lot of fruit and veg is imported to the eu from outside they are not the sole providers although most is imported through holland.Over the last 10 years imports have risen by 1.3 million tonnes.These imports are driven by seasons so much comes from south africa ,costa rica,morrocco,chile and peru.I hear talk that they are going to cut out holland and send it straight to the UK. Think our ports are going to be busy again, sorry that's a good new story don't want to upset the remainers. "
Go and Google how much of our fruit and veg is actually grown in Spain. |
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"Oh no we may have to grow our own ....ww2 spirit ..
.ps if we can get some more global warming coming in ...We won't even need to import those exotic fruits you all keep talking about ...so see problem solved ...."
Brilliant, captain mainwaring and Corporal Pike spirit is alive and well in the UK. We can all live on turnips. Whats for dinner today Baldrick. It's a surprise Lord Blackadder, well what is is it Baldrick." It's turnip surprise".
Yes agreed in a perverse way Brexit may help Global warming. Alot less of us will be jumping on aeroplanes for starters as the prosperity we have built up ebbs away in the form of a dodgy pound. Thing is a lot more of them darn foreigners will be coming here for their hols to see our green and pleasant land so might offset a lot of the gains. That's if they don't mind turnips. |
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"A lot of fruit and veg is imported to the eu from outside they are not the sole providers although most is imported through holland.Over the last 10 years imports have risen by 1.3 million tonnes.These imports are driven by seasons so much comes from south africa ,costa rica,morrocco,chile and peru.I hear talk that they are going to cut out holland and send it straight to the UK. Think our ports are going to be busy again, sorry that's a good new story don't want to upset the remainers. "
Can our ports cope? From what I understand (admittedly not much) the Dutch and Belgium ports are a class above.
Either way I imagine this bumps up the cost as they now have to do to stops. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Oh no we may have to grow our own ....ww2 spirit ..
.ps if we can get some more global warming coming in ...We won't even need to import those exotic fruits you all keep talking about ...so see problem solved ...."
Imagine going into a WW2 shelter and discovering half the feckers had voted for it.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"A lot of fruit and veg is imported to the eu from outside they are not the sole providers although most is imported through holland.Over the last 10 years imports have risen by 1.3 million tonnes.These imports are driven by seasons so much comes from south africa ,costa rica,morrocco,chile and peru.I hear talk that they are going to cut out holland and send it straight to the UK. Think our ports are going to be busy again, sorry that's a good new story don't want to upset the remainers.
Go and Google how much of our fruit and veg is actually grown in Spain."
I have i dont just post stuff for the fun of it.69.9% of our fruit comes from outside the eu and 36.4 of veg. |
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"A lot of fruit and veg is imported to the eu from outside they are not the sole providers although most is imported through holland.Over the last 10 years imports have risen by 1.3 million tonnes.These imports are driven by seasons so much comes from south africa ,costa rica,morrocco,chile and peru.I hear talk that they are going to cut out holland and send it straight to the UK. Think our ports are going to be busy again, sorry that's a good new story don't want to upset the remainers.
Go and Google how much of our fruit and veg is actually grown in Spain.I have i dont just post stuff for the fun of it.69.9% of our fruit comes from outside the eu and 36.4 of veg. "
30% of our fruit imports are bananas) at least they were based on 2012 info graphic) I'd hazard a guess most of that is from outside the eu. So stripping out that one fruit type, the percentages aren't that healthy... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"A lot of fruit and veg is imported to the eu from outside they are not the sole providers although most is imported through holland.Over the last 10 years imports have risen by 1.3 million tonnes.These imports are driven by seasons so much comes from south africa ,costa rica,morrocco,chile and peru.I hear talk that they are going to cut out holland and send it straight to the UK. Think our ports are going to be busy again, sorry that's a good new story don't want to upset the remainers.
Go and Google how much of our fruit and veg is actually grown in Spain.I have i dont just post stuff for the fun of it.69.9% of our fruit comes from outside the eu and 36.4 of veg.
30% of our fruit imports are bananas) at least they were based on 2012 info graphic) I'd hazard a guess most of that is from outside the eu. So stripping out that one fruit type, the percentages aren't that healthy... "
Funny enough the figures i got was without bananas and couldnt make out why. |
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"A lot of fruit and veg is imported to the eu from outside they are not the sole providers although most is imported through holland.Over the last 10 years imports have risen by 1.3 million tonnes.These imports are driven by seasons so much comes from south africa ,costa rica,morrocco,chile and peru.
Presumably this fruit and veg will now have to go thru customs in Holland and at Dover now? I have no idea maybe felixstowe or any number of ports but would think they will ship direct to the uk once we are out and hopefully tariff free so could be cheaper as the eu imposes tariffs on anything they produce to keep the prices higher and protect their producers."
Failing Grayling will spend several £millions on some company without ferries again  |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"A lot of fruit and veg is imported to the eu from outside they are not the sole providers although most is imported through holland.Over the last 10 years imports have risen by 1.3 million tonnes.These imports are driven by seasons so much comes from south africa ,costa rica,morrocco,chile and peru.
Presumably this fruit and veg will now have to go thru customs in Holland and at Dover now? I have no idea maybe felixstowe or any number of ports but would think they will ship direct to the uk once we are out and hopefully tariff free so could be cheaper as the eu imposes tariffs on anything they produce to keep the prices higher and protect their producers.
Failing Grayling will spend several £millions on some company without ferries again "
yeah thank fuck boris got rid of him i think this is where all the extra cash is coming from. |
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Failing Grayling will spend several £millions on some company without ferries again
yeah thank fuck boris got rid of him i think this is where all the extra cash is coming from. "
That's got to be worth a few million quid a week in savings |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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The Government has done an assessment, it's been presented to Ministers, but they won't make it public.
Quite a bit has leaked out.
Prof Tim Lang, of City University London, pieced it together for an article in the Lancet.
He is concerned that the public is in the dark about the expected consequences of all these barriers to free movement re-appearing overnight. |
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"The Government has done an assessment, it's been presented to Ministers, but they won't make it public.
Quite a bit has leaked out.
Prof Tim Lang, of City University London, pieced it together for an article in the Lancet.
He is concerned that the public is in the dark about the expected consequences of all these barriers to free movement re-appearing overnight."
We'll get whatever the majority has voted for |
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over a year ago
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"Check out the latest ComRes poll
54% want Brexit done by whatever means necessary, even if that means by shutting down Parliament.
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The survey was conducted on a group of 1645 people and does not prove anything.  |
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"Check out the latest ComRes poll
54% want Brexit done by whatever means necessary, even if that means by shutting down Parliament.
The survey was conducted on a group of 1645 people and does not prove anything. "
2,011 British adults
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"Check out the latest ComRes poll
54% want Brexit done by whatever means necessary, even if that means by shutting down Parliament.
The survey was conducted on a group of 1645 people and does not prove anything.
2,011 British adults
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It still doesn't make any difference. Surveys are very easy to manipulate. |
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"Check out the latest ComRes poll
54% want Brexit done by whatever means necessary, even if that means by shutting down Parliament.
The survey was conducted on a group of 1645 people and does not prove anything. "
Well it does, it shows the percentage of that group polled prefer one option but like all polls it could be done again and have totally different results.
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But but but........ Tim Martin says that it will mean lower prices and he is now the chief economic advisor to the treasury. How can it possibly be wrong ?
We will wake up on November the 1st to a Bonanza of cheap apples and oranges at our local supermarket. He says so. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Check out the latest ComRes poll
54% want Brexit done by whatever means necessary, even if that means by shutting down Parliament.
The survey was conducted on a group of 1645 people and does not prove anything.
2,011 British adults
It still doesn't make any difference. Surveys are very easy to manipulate."
probably the 1st thing i agree with you on nobody takes any notice of polls but some seem to think they are gospel. |
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"Check out the latest ComRes poll
54% want Brexit done by whatever means necessary, even if that means by shutting down Parliament.
The survey was conducted on a group of 1645 people and does not prove anything.
2,011 British adults
It still doesn't make any difference. Surveys are very easy to manipulate.probably the 1st thing i agree with you on nobody takes any notice of polls but some seem to think they are gospel. "
Oh I agree, polls are pretty weak.
Really easy to manipulate numbers ...
88% feel Parliament is ‘out of touch’ with the British public, and 89% feel MPs ‘ignore the wishes of voters and push their own agendas’ on Brexit.
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"But but but........ Tim Martin says that it will mean lower prices and he is now the chief economic advisor to the treasury. How can it possibly be wrong ?
We will wake up on November the 1st to a Bonanza of cheap apples and oranges at our local supermarket. He says so."
Yes I'm looking forward to waking up November 1st and the significant price drop in the shops from the WTO Brexit |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"But but but........ Tim Martin says that it will mean lower prices and he is now the chief economic advisor to the treasury. How can it possibly be wrong ?
We will wake up on November the 1st to a Bonanza of cheap apples and oranges at our local supermarket. He says so."
Yep.....and before we joined in 1973 inflation was 9%, the treasury told us joining would reduce prices, but within 18 months inflation had hit 26%.
The pound dropped by over 30%, from $2.55 to the pound just before we joined to $1.70 in 77. |
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"But but but........ Tim Martin says that it will mean lower prices and he is now the chief economic advisor to the treasury. How can it possibly be wrong ?
We will wake up on November the 1st to a Bonanza of cheap apples and oranges at our local supermarket. He says so.
Yep.....and before we joined in 1973 inflation was 9%, the treasury told us joining would reduce prices, but within 18 months inflation had hit 26%.
The pound dropped by over 30%, from $2.55 to the pound just before we joined to $1.70 in 77."
And ? 45 years ago the world and the economy looked completely different. What does this mean for today? Nothing  |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Check out the latest ComRes poll
54% want Brexit done by whatever means necessary, even if that means by shutting down Parliament.
The survey was conducted on a group of 1645 people and does not prove anything.
2,011 British adults
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44%
19% were don't knows.
Remain was not an option.
Pile of crap as surveys go.
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"Check out the latest ComRes poll
54% want Brexit done by whatever means necessary, even if that means by shutting down Parliament.
The survey was conducted on a group of 1645 people and does not prove anything.
2,011 British adults
44%
19% were don't knows.
Remain was not an option.
Pile of crap as surveys go.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"But but but........ Tim Martin says that it will mean lower prices and he is now the chief economic advisor to the treasury. How can it possibly be wrong ?
We will wake up on November the 1st to a Bonanza of cheap apples and oranges at our local supermarket. He says so.
Yep.....and before we joined in 1973 inflation was 9%, the treasury told us joining would reduce prices, but within 18 months inflation had hit 26%.
The pound dropped by over 30%, from $2.55 to the pound just before we joined to $1.70 in 77."
You can always rely on a Brexiter to shoot themselves in the foot.
The conditions that you are referring to were actually in 1976 (and to a degree 1977) and revolved around the biggest humiliation that this country had endured since Suez. The UK took an IMF loan for just under $4 billion (2019 equivalent $20+ billion) to stabilise the finances of the country that was also being damaged by very high oil prices.
The IMF loan, coupled with the UK joining the Common Market stabilised the economy and the full amount was repaid within three years.
Look at today's ingredients...
1) Crashing currency
2) Very low interest rates (and an independent bank)
3) A potential crisis in the Gulf
What could possibly go wrong? |
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"Check out the latest ComRes poll
54% want Brexit done by whatever means necessary, even if that means by shutting down Parliament.
The survey was conducted on a group of 1645 people and does not prove anything.
2,011 British adults
44%
19% were don't knows.
Remain was not an option.
Pile of crap as surveys go.
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Of those polled, who did have an answer - 54% said he should .
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"Check out the latest ComRes poll
54% want Brexit done by whatever means necessary, even if that means by shutting down Parliament.
The survey was conducted on a group of 1645 people and does not prove anything.
2,011 British adults
It still doesn't make any difference. Surveys are very easy to manipulate.probably the 1st thing i agree with you on nobody takes any notice of polls but some seem to think they are gospel. "
I even know who this gospel is for |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Of those polled, who did have an answer - 54% said he should .
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You're swallowing the bullshit headline in the Telegraph.
'Public backs Johnson to shut down Parliament for Brexit'
Utterly misleading.
The actual wording of the survey:
“Do you agree or disagree with the following statements?
“Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending parliament if necessary, in order to prevent MPs from stopping it.”
44% agreed, 37% disagreed and 19% said they didn’t know.
44% does not, as the Telegraph claims, represent more than half of the public.
The Telegraph excluded all the people who said they didn’t know from its reported findings in order to claim that a majority of the public (54%) agreed.
Misleading.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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And ask yourself, how many MPs actually want to "stop Brexit" - the wording used in the question.
I know the Telegraph is on the rabid right, and it has a history of running lies from the likes of Boris Johnson, but this really does take the biscuit.
Desperate stuff.
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"But but but........ Tim Martin says that it will mean lower prices and he is now the chief economic advisor to the treasury. How can it possibly be wrong ?
We will wake up on November the 1st to a Bonanza of cheap apples and oranges at our local supermarket. He says so.
Yep.....and before we joined in 1973 inflation was 9%, the treasury told us joining would reduce prices, but within 18 months inflation had hit 26%.
The pound dropped by over 30%, from $2.55 to the pound just before we joined to $1.70 in 77."
You make it sound as if joining the Common Market was the cause of inflation and currency fall. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"But but but........ Tim Martin says that it will mean lower prices and he is now the chief economic advisor to the treasury. How can it possibly be wrong ?
We will wake up on November the 1st to a Bonanza of cheap apples and oranges at our local supermarket. He says so.
Yep.....and before we joined in 1973 inflation was 9%, the treasury told us joining would reduce prices, but within 18 months inflation had hit 26%.
The pound dropped by over 30%, from $2.55 to the pound just before we joined to $1.70 in 77.
You make it sound as if joining the Common Market was the cause of inflation and currency fall. "
It was joining caused inflation to rocket and I remember saying told you so all idiots wanting to be in the common market and I am right as will be proved when we leave,but not easy as they have us in a nasty web |
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"But but but........ Tim Martin says that it will mean lower prices and he is now the chief economic advisor to the treasury. How can it possibly be wrong ?
We will wake up on November the 1st to a Bonanza of cheap apples and oranges at our local supermarket. He says so.
Yep.....and before we joined in 1973 inflation was 9%, the treasury told us joining would reduce prices, but within 18 months inflation had hit 26%.
The pound dropped by over 30%, from $2.55 to the pound just before we joined to $1.70 in 77.
You make it sound as if joining the Common Market was the cause of inflation and currency fall.
It was joining caused inflation to rocket and I remember saying told you so all idiots wanting to be in the common market and I am right as will be proved when we leave,but not easy as they have us in a nasty web"
So wrong lol though I'd of guessed you'd have blamed interest rate rises for the cause of inflation, no? |
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Of those polled, who did have an answer - 54% said he should .
You're swallowing the bullshit headline in the Telegraph.
'Public backs Johnson to shut down Parliament for Brexit'
Utterly misleading.
The actual wording of the survey:
“Do you agree or disagree with the following statements?
“Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending parliament if necessary, in order to prevent MPs from stopping it.”
44% agreed, 37% disagreed and 19% said they didn’t know.
44% does not, as the Telegraph claims, represent more than half of the public.
The Telegraph excluded all the people who said they didn’t know from its reported findings in order to claim that a majority of the public (54%) agreed.
Misleading.
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I don't have the full resulys or precise wording in frong of me, but more people said we should stop brexit if it puts the union at risk than said Boris should brexit even if its by suspending parliament.
Did that question get reported?
(advance apologies if the wording wasng spot on) |
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