"No not this time but they have presided over failing hospitals....Train timetable debacles....falling educational standards....rising tax rates... a slower economy and when asked to account for there many failures they reply "It wasny us, big boys did it and ran away"
But hey Nicola will try to blame Westminster if you hang around long enough xx    "
Maybe if Westminster wasn't so easy to blame.... |
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
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"No not this time but they have presided over failing hospitals....Train timetable debacles....falling educational standards....rising tax rates... a slower economy and when asked to account for there many failures they reply "It wasny us, big boys did it and ran away"
But hey Nicola will try to blame Westminster if you hang around long enough xx "
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"No not this time but they have presided over failing hospitals....Train timetable debacles....falling educational standards....rising tax rates... a slower economy and when asked to account for there many failures they reply "It wasny us, big boys did it and ran away"
But hey Nicola will try to blame Westminster if you hang around long enough xx
Well said "
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Sturgeon is a nationalist zelot,but Scotland is a disaster but she deflects blame to Westminster"
The stuff you come out with... I mean really???
Sturgeon is the leader of the Scottish Nationalist Party. The clue is in the name.
Why is Scotland a disaster? How is Scotland a disaster?
Scotland will soon be an independent nation equivalent in size to Denmark and Ireland. It is idiotic English people who come out with patent nonsense about Scotland who are virtually ensuring that the day of reckoning will come sooner, rather than later. |
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"Sturgeon is a nationalist zelot,but Scotland is a disaster but she deflects blame to Westminster
The stuff you come out with... I mean really???
Sturgeon is the leader of the Scottish Nationalist Party. The clue is in the name.
Why is Scotland a disaster? How is Scotland a disaster?
Scotland will soon be an independent nation equivalent in size to Denmark and Ireland. It is idiotic English people who come out with patent nonsense about Scotland who are virtually ensuring that the day of reckoning will come sooner, rather than later."
“They may take away our lives, but they'll never take our freeeeeeedooommmm!
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Sturgeon is the leader of the Scottish Nationalist Party.
National.
I know - the phone autocorrected and I couldn’t be carded deleting the whole post and Re-doing it.
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Fuck what a day...
Couldn’t be arsed |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
History keeps repeating itself over and over again.
Every time a territory of the era of imperialism starts getting itchy feet, the sense of superiority kicks in.
The historical response was to send in the jackboots to repress the ringleaders.
Now it is really patronising stuff. You are too poor, too weak, to live without us.
It is the same every time.
The British/English refuse to give up their possessions and every time they lose them.
And not one of those "too poor, too weak" places ever turns round and says, "Ooops, you were right, can we come to back to your rule?"
Why? Because as the Brexiteers are fond of arguing, identity trumps economics.
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Sturgeon is the leader of the Scottish Nationalist Party.
National.
I know - the phone autocorrected and I couldn’t be carded deleting the whole post and Re-doing it.
Fuck what a day...
Couldn’t be arsed "
No need to correct it, Nationalist isn’t wildly off the mark 
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Sturgeon is the leader of the Scottish Nationalist Party.
National.
I know - the phone autocorrected and I couldn’t be carded deleting the whole post and Re-doing it.
Fuck what a day...
Couldn’t be arsed "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We poor sod's in England have a 2 party state torys or labour, that's bad enough but Scotland is now a one party state not sure if that's such a good thing. |
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"We poor sod's in England have a 2 party state torys or labour, that's bad enough but Scotland is now a one party state not sure if that's such a good thing. "
Think it’s more 2 parties in a state. |
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"We poor sod's in England have a 2 party state torys or labour, that's bad enough but Scotland is now a one party state not sure if that's such a good thing. "
This is typical of the uninformed bullshit most Little Englanders spout about Scots politics.
We have a parliament where the number of seats each party has actually reflects the votes cast for each party. Unlike in Westminster.
In Scotland, there are five main parties if you include the Greens. In England, it's not so very different; it's just that your broken first-past-the-post system only usually allows for one of two parties to form a government.
The SNP are currently a minority government, relying on the help of the Greens to enact legislation by majority vote.
In that respect, they are the same as the Tories relying on the DUP; or, indeed, the Lib dems, during the coalition.
Like it or not, they are popular in Scotland. One reason for that is that they provide a genuine alternative to most of the typical bullshit available from the Tories, Labour and, to a lesser extent, the LibDems.
Beyond Scotland, they are currently the third largest Party in Westminster. After the next general election, it's entirely possible that will still be the case.
If you think that's more influence than our voters merit - just let us go.
What has the UK got to lose? Apart from a third of its landmass, all that territorial water and a place to park its Trident submarines.
Think of all the money you'd be saving. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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12 years in government, 20% ahead in the polls, 52% for independence . . . they are going in the direction they want to go and taking people with them.
Johnson in No. 10 is what they had been hoping for. Farage next, and they'll be hitting the magic 60% that is the basis for a referendum.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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What has the UK got to lose? Apart from a third of its landmass, all that territorial water and a place to park its Trident submarines.
Think of all the money you'd be saving. "
Yes, a third of the territory, 8 or 9 cent of GDP and 8 or 9 cent of population.
Both Scotland and the rump UK will be weaker apart, just as both the EU and UK are weaker apart. |
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What has the UK got to lose? Apart from a third of its landmass, all that territorial water and a place to park its Trident submarines.
Think of all the money you'd be saving.
Yes, a third of the territory, 8 or 9 cent of GDP and 8 or 9 cent of population.
Both Scotland and the rump UK will be weaker apart, just as both the EU and UK are weaker apart."
I think it's a trade worth making for the reward of being free of Westminster and living in an actual democracy. Weaker or not.
If New Zealand can make a go of it with fewer people, on the other side of the planet; I can't see how we'd be any worse off than they are. |
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Ok we will take trident back and the thousands of jobs if you don't won't it.
As for Scotland leaving the UK ok by most English, but no one asks us. Be sure if England had the vote, you would be gone by Christmas.
Don't think it's English people who are making you stay, just parliament but they are a law unto themselves anyway. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
I have no doubt Scotland can stand alone, albeit it in a weaker state, just as I have no doubt the UK can stand alone, albeit it in a weaker state.
It is the logical next step of the brexit argument, the disintegration of international union and a return to homogenous populations truly independent of each other.
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"I have no doubt Scotland can stand alone, albeit it in a weaker state, just as I have no doubt the UK can stand alone, albeit it in a weaker state.
It is the logical next step of the brexit argument, the disintegration of international union and a return to homogenous populations truly independent of each other.
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Hope so. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Ok we will take trident back and the thousands of jobs if you don't won't it.
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Where are you going to put it?
The fifth biggest arsenal of WMD in the world?
Fancy living next door to Armageddon?
150-200 plutonium bombs.
Cool, if you do.
Right now it's all sitting 30 miles from Glasgow.
You'll need a coastal location that gives you some shielding from Russian intrusion and observation.
You'll need a heap of new infrastructure - the submarine base, the missile depot, the warhead store, and all that goes with that.
20 years and little change from £100bn, I'd suggest.
When the USSR dissolved, Russia was incapable of recovering all its gear from newly independent states.
So they came to an agreement to lease the bases until they were ready to collect the weapons.
I imagine something similar would happen if Scotland voted yes - England would sign a lease to occupy Faslane and Coulport until it had built the new facilities somewhere else.
It's quite a bargaining chip if you are in St Andrews House.
The alternative is to operate the whole WMD programme out of Virginia in the United States.
Then you really would be the 51st state of the union.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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Ok we will take trident back and the thousands of jobs if you don't won't it.
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Where are you going to put it?
The fifth biggest arsenal of WMD in the world?
Fancy living next door to Armageddon?
150-200 plutonium bombs.
Cool, if you do.
Right now it's all sitting 30 miles from Glasgow.
You'll need a coastal location that gives you some shielding from Russian intrusion and observation.
You'll need a heap of new infrastructure - the submarine base, the missile depot, the warhead store, and all that goes with that.
20 years and little change from £100bn, I'd suggest.
When the USSR dissolved, Russia was incapable of recovering all its gear from newly independent states.
So they came to an agreement to lease the bases until they were ready to collect the weapons.
I imagine something similar would happen if Scotland voted yes - England would sign a lease to occupy Faslane and Coulport until it had built the new facilities somewhere else.
It's quite a bargaining chip if you are in St Andrews House.
The alternative is to operate the whole WMD programme out of Virginia in the United States.
Then you really would be the 51st state of the union.
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Falmouth i think was the preferred place last time you lot were on about leaving. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
I'm sure the locals will rush to sign up for it in the national interest.
You'll need to do something with it.
Not the kinda stuff you want stored in Fred's Shed at no. 59 until you figure it out.
The missiles alone are almost as toxic as the warheads.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Then it's catch 22 because we can't have our defence no foreign soil.
So base would have to stay under UK control or refuse to let you leave. "
That's where precedent suggestions the leasing option.
"Nicola, now how about a 20-year deal?"
"Boris, okay, cut our share of the national debt to zero and it's a deal, okay?"
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over a year ago
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From what I read here and on twitter Scotland can't wait to leave the UK, and join the EU superstate.
It would then mean a boarder and controls, not sure Scotland could survive as 80% of trade comes to England.
But stay or leave most people south of the border don't care what you do, as long as we don't have to pay for it. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"From what I read here and on twitter Scotland can't wait to leave the UK, and join the EU superstate.
It would then mean a boarder and controls, not sure Scotland could survive as 80% of trade comes to England.
But stay or leave most people south of the border don't care what you do, as long as we don't have to pay for it. "
Och, you need to take it all with a little pinch of salt.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
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Ok we will take trident back and the thousands of jobs if you don't won't it.
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Where are you going to put it?
The fifth biggest arsenal of WMD in the world?
Fancy living next door to Armageddon?
150-200 plutonium bombs.
Cool, if you do.
Right now it's all sitting 30 miles from Glasgow.
You'll need a coastal location that gives you some shielding from Russian intrusion and observation.
You'll need a heap of new infrastructure - the submarine base, the missile depot, the warhead store, and all that goes with that.
20 years and little change from £100bn, I'd suggest.
When the USSR dissolved, Russia was incapable of recovering all its gear from newly independent states.
So they came to an agreement to lease the bases until they were ready to collect the weapons.
I imagine something similar would happen if Scotland voted yes - England would sign a lease to occupy Faslane and Coulport until it had built the new facilities somewhere else.
It's quite a bargaining chip if you are in St Andrews House.
The alternative is to operate the whole WMD programme out of Virginia in the United States.
Then you really would be the 51st state of the union.
Falmouth i think was the preferred place last time you lot were on about leaving."
They will be based at King's Bay, Georgia USA, under a lease agreement. |
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Anyone who thinks that Falmouth is a realistic substitute for Faslane needs to do a bit more research ??
Faslane is vast as a port and the infrastructure outwith it covers hundreds of acres of bunkers as an arsenal. Not even to begin to address location and population. Where is that going to fit around Falmouth?
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"From what I read here and on twitter Scotland can't wait to leave the UK, and join the EU superstate.
It would then mean a boarder and controls, not sure Scotland could survive as 80% of trade comes to England.
But stay or leave most people south of the border don't care what you do, as long as we don't have to pay for it. "
If Scotland was in the EU as a standalone country and England with the rest of the UK wasn’t , why would any European trade go to England? It would simply come to Scotland and avoid borders.
And if 80% of trade did still go to England, why would that be a problem, when the Scottish population is 10% of the UK population? All the more for the Scots!!!! |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Cool. My mistake with Virginia. I think that may be where they build the subs.
US nuclear subs are indeed built in Virginia (and given the classification "Virginia" class). "
Newport News sounds more like a film than a ship-builder lol |
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I am not a Scot. I am not aligned to any nationalist organisation.
However I would really like to see the Scots leave the UK and either stand on their own two feet or not.
This would save the UK exchequer a fortune, but based on parliamentary mathematics, potentially remove Labour's potential for winning an election for a decade or two.... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"I think any savings on the revenue account will be insignificant when presented with the bill on the capital account to rebuild HMNB Clyde elsewhere in these islands "
To be honest that wont be a problem if corbyn gets in he will close it down anyway.
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"I think any savings on the revenue account will be insignificant when presented with the bill on the capital account to rebuild HMNB Clyde elsewhere in these islands "
Being a national security asset and not encumbered by the rules of the EU, it will provide jobs in the chosen location, sadly at the cost of service revenue and jobs in Scotland. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"I think any savings on the revenue account will be insignificant when presented with the bill on the capital account to rebuild HMNB Clyde elsewhere in these islands
Being a national security asset and not encumbered by the rules of the EU, it will provide jobs in the chosen location, sadly at the cost of service revenue and jobs in Scotland."
When this came up at the last indi referendum 2 sites were considered, new haven and at the time they said they would welcome the revenue and jobs created by it and devonport which is still the RN main nuclear repair and refueling port and housed the Trafalgar class subs. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"I think any savings on the revenue account will be insignificant when presented with the bill on the capital account to rebuild HMNB Clyde elsewhere in these islands
Being a national security asset and not encumbered by the rules of the EU, it will provide jobs in the chosen location, sadly at the cost of service revenue and jobs in Scotland."
Yes, a huge number of jobs in the construction phase. Thousands. A few thousand to operate, too. 11 submarines in total will need to be relocated, plus all the missiles and warheads. |
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"I think any savings on the revenue account will be insignificant when presented with the bill on the capital account to rebuild HMNB Clyde elsewhere in these islands
Being a national security asset and not encumbered by the rules of the EU, it will provide jobs in the chosen location, sadly at the cost of service revenue and jobs in Scotland.
Yes, a huge number of jobs in the construction phase. Thousands. A few thousand to operate, too. 11 submarines in total will need to be relocated, plus all the missiles and warheads."
Probably to be funded by long term savings on the Barnett formula.... |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Trevor Royle in Sunday Times yesterday suggesting Scotland could offer to lease the Clyde bases to NATO as part of its application for membership. He reckons that would generate £1.1bn a year.
I can't see the Nats going for that - their opposition to WMD is implacable.
Still, that assumes it would be Nats in charge of the transition, and that is by no means certain. |
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"Trevor Royle in Sunday Times yesterday suggesting Scotland could offer to lease the Clyde bases to NATO as part of its application for membership. He reckons that would generate £1.1bn a year.
I can't see the Nats going for that - their opposition to WMD is implacable.
Still, that assumes it would be Nats in charge of the transition, and that is by no means certain."
Interesting idea..... |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Probably to be funded by long term savings on the Barnett formula...."
Yes, your overall economic base will have withered again, this time by another 9% or so, but I am sure you will find the money somewhere, since the possession of WMD seems to be a source of great national pride. |
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Probably to be funded by long term savings on the Barnett formula....
Yes, your overall economic base will have withered again, this time by another 9% or so, but I am sure you will find the money somewhere, since the possession of WMD seems to be a source of great national pride."
"Your" or "Our"?... it's almost as if you don't want to be part of a United Kingdom. So what is your dream of the future and where do you see yourself located?
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" ... but based on parliamentary mathematics, potentially remove Labour's potential for winning an election for a decade or two...."
Which is the main reason they're opposed to Scotland becoming independent. In 2014, quite a lot of people down south were begging us not to leave because they feared perpetual Tory government.
I can sympathise with that view but in an independent Scotland, the possibility of a majority Tory government would become vanishingly small; which is one reason why I voted Yes. |
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By *anon6dMan
over a year ago
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"Sturgeon is a nationalist zelot,but Scotland is a disaster but she deflects blame to Westminster
The stuff you come out with... I mean really???
Sturgeon is the leader of the Scottish Nationalist Party. The clue is in the name.
Why is Scotland a disaster? How is Scotland a disaster?
Scotland will soon be an independent nation equivalent in size to Denmark and Ireland. It is idiotic English people who come out with patent nonsense about Scotland who are virtually ensuring that the day of reckoning will come sooner, rather than later."
well said. Scotland is a disaster?? Looks fine to me and will only get better. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"It's not finished just yet. Eleven weeks left to save the United Kingdom from going down the rabbit hole.You still hanging on to that? There,s no stopping boris now. "
It's already in one court of law and I'm sure it will be in others before October is finished. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"No not this time but they have presided over failing hospitals....Train timetable debacles....falling educational standards....rising tax rates... a slower economy and when asked to account for there many failures they reply "It wasny us, big boys did it and ran away"
But hey Nicola will try to blame Westminster if you hang around long enough xx can we please ad the blame to nicola for the free prescription free education free travel cost for the elderly and free elderly care. What a bitch. Listen does not matter who is in charge there will always be faults . "
There is no such thing as "free" anything. Someone pays somewhere. |
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over a year ago
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"No not this time but they have presided over failing hospitals....Train timetable debacles....falling educational standards....rising tax rates... a slower economy and when asked to account for there many failures they reply "It wasny us, big boys did it and ran away"
But hey Nicola will try to blame Westminster if you hang around long enough xx can we please ad the blame to nicola for the free prescription free education free travel cost for the elderly and free elderly care. What a bitch. Listen does not matter who is in charge there will always be faults .
There is no such thing as "free" anything. Someone pays somewhere. "
yup the government cover the cost. Thought that was obvious. I dont mind paying a penny more in the pound in tax if it helps the people in need. And yes I know a lot of people dont need help. |
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"It's not finished just yet. Eleven weeks left to save the United Kingdom from going down the rabbit hole.You still hanging on to that? There,s no stopping boris now. "
Who is best to blame for the failure of the project or reform? Someone who is inept, screaming and waving his arms a lot and really can't do anything and that's your hero claun. There are many wiser than him who will stop him just that he doesn't know it yet |
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"It's not finished just yet. Eleven weeks left to save the United Kingdom from going down the rabbit hole.You still hanging on to that? There,s no stopping boris now.
Who is best to blame for the failure of the project or reform? Someone who is inept, screaming and waving his arms a lot and really can't do anything and that's your hero claun. There are many wiser than him who will stop him just that he doesn't know it yet "
Do you think the SNP will stop trying for independence ? |
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"No not this time but they have presided over failing hospitals....Train timetable debacles....falling educational standards....rising tax rates... a slower economy and when asked to account for there many failures they reply "It wasny us, big boys did it and ran away"
But hey Nicola will try to blame Westminster if you hang around long enough xx can we please ad the blame to nicola for the free prescription free education free travel cost for the elderly and free elderly care. What a bitch. Listen does not matter who is in charge there will always be faults .
There is no such thing as "free" anything. Someone pays somewhere. yup the government cover the cost. Thought that was obvious. I dont mind paying a penny more in the pound in tax if it helps the people in need. And yes I know a lot of people dont need help. "
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A penny only raises 4.5 billon (UK)
I don't think it's enough for most lefties plans, I suggest you'd need more like a 15p increase, alas nobody votes for honest answers so we get this is just a penny mantra.
Wasting is huge in social services, health care, schooling, military.
Maybe there's a half way house of some tax increases while seeing some wastage eliminated?. |
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"It's not finished just yet. Eleven weeks left to save the United Kingdom from going down the rabbit hole.You still hanging on to that? There,s no stopping boris now.
Who is best to blame for the failure of the project or reform? Someone who is inept, screaming and waving his arms a lot and really can't do anything and that's your hero claun. There are many wiser than him who will stop him just that he doesn't know it yet
Do you think the SNP will stop trying for independence ?"
I do not think so but I referred to boris and not to SNP. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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People in Scotland who earn more than the average now pay a higher rate of income tax than the rest of the UK.
People in Scotland who earn lower than the average now pay a lesser rate of income tax than the rest of the UK.
The ability to vary tax rates (and so make the parliament more accountable to the public it serves) was part of the "vow" that Clegg, Cameron and Milliband signed to bolster the No campaign in the final days of the 2014 referendum.
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"It's not finished just yet. Eleven weeks left to save the United Kingdom from going down the rabbit hole.You still hanging on to that? There,s no stopping boris now.
Who is best to blame for the failure of the project or reform? Someone who is inept, screaming and waving his arms a lot and really can't do anything and that's your hero claun. There are many wiser than him who will stop him just that he doesn't know it yet
Do you think the SNP will stop trying for independence ?
I do not think so but I referred to boris and not to SNP."
So doesn’t matter what Boris or any other pm does then
What’s the point in venting your anger about Boris on a thread about the SNP |
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"It's not finished just yet. Eleven weeks left to save the United Kingdom from going down the rabbit hole.You still hanging on to that? There,s no stopping boris now.
Who is best to blame for the failure of the project or reform? Someone who is inept, screaming and waving his arms a lot and really can't do anything and that's your hero claun. There are many wiser than him who will stop him just that he doesn't know it yet
Do you think the SNP will stop trying for independence ?
I do not think so but I referred to boris and not to SNP.
So doesn’t matter what Boris or any other pm does then
What’s the point in venting your anger about Boris on a thread about the SNP"
Because someone wrote that nothing will stop boris. What is your point because I don't understand what your problem is. |
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"It's not finished just yet. Eleven weeks left to save the United Kingdom from going down the rabbit hole.You still hanging on to that? There,s no stopping boris now.
Who is best to blame for the failure of the project or reform? Someone who is inept, screaming and waving his arms a lot and really can't do anything and that's your hero claun. There are many wiser than him who will stop him just that he doesn't know it yet
Do you think the SNP will stop trying for independence ?
I do not think so but I referred to boris and not to SNP.
So doesn’t matter what Boris or any other pm does then
What’s the point in venting your anger about Boris on a thread about the SNP
Because someone wrote that nothing will stop boris. What is your point because I don't understand what your problem is."
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