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Sure we can all agree guns have no right to be in the hands of civilians, hope USA do something about this but so much money involved unfortunately both sides won’t get rid of guns
CB aged 24 killed 9 and injured 27
Of the 9 victims, 6 were African Americans and 1 was his own sister ( this is how it’s being reported )
He was a democrat a left wing terrorist Anfifa supporter, a leftist who supported socialism and Elizabeth Warren and didn’t like trump, liked Satan and the squad, also was anti police
Reports by small media saying he was radicalised by Ilhan and aoc , personally I think like the El Paso shootings this is rubbish just very sick men
He tweeted “ I want socialism, and i’ll Not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding “
He tweeted support for the recent antifa terrorist attack on ice
He tweeted “kill every fascist”
The bar he shot up was also known for a place police and trump supporters hang out
This guy was obviously very sick, and at first he was being reported as a white nationalist ( see what they are doing )
But I’m sure trump will get the blame |
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So what’s your thoughts guys ?
Is this trumps fault ?
What should be done with gun control?
Are the left to blame?
Antifa to blame ?
The squad to blame ?
Mental illness to blame ?
White supremacy to blame ?
Racism to blame ? |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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As I posted in a similar thread there are no easy answers
America has the same conversation after each mass shooting, the inevitable debate about gun control versus mental-health care It becomes factionalised, politicised and nothing changes. Then the next mass shooting occurs and the rinse and repeat cycle occurs again.
America is so welded to the second amendment which is a hang over from the war of independence when there was not a standing army and there was a requirement for a citizen militia.
Unfortunately this has now become so ingrained within the psyche that any change is met with so much opposition by many vested interest groups and it is stalled at the first hurdle.
Until any meaningful change is enacted mass shootings will continue to occur as America is trapped by it own helplessness.
Which I’m sure was not the intention of the founding fathers who drafted that amendment. |
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"Who's reported all that background stuff? I've not seen much in the way of details other than gun obsessed, with a hit list of girls. "
Type in his name and say left wing, or antifa and there are plenty of stuff concerning his ideology all over his twitter |
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I don't really pay that much attention, but it sounded like the el paso killer had a manifesto on line plus sent stuff to the police making the shootings political. Has a link been made in the same way here, or is it just he's a killer AND lefty, not killed because of his left agenda. |
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"I don't really pay that much attention, but it sounded like the el paso killer had a manifesto on line plus sent stuff to the police making the shootings political. Has a link been made in the same way here, or is it just he's a killer AND lefty, not killed because of his left agenda. "
Yeah the El Paso twat had a manifesto
Looked online and all I could find about this manifesto the guy posted wasn't much, if I have missed stuff I’m sure you will let me know,
His motivation
The unsigned manifesto, titled “The Inconvenient Truth,” draws direct inspiration from the mass murder of Muslims at two mosques in New Zealand in March that left 51 people dead. In that attack, the alleged killer published a manifesto online promoting a white supremacy
On Trump
“My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president,” the document says.
The Ohio twat didn’t that I have seen so was it political we may never know
But we do know he was a supporter of the terrorist group antifa, wanted to kill all facists, stated he would do anything to speed up socialism hated police, fan of the squad and the bar was a popular place for police and trump supporters ,,, soooooooooo |
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"Who's reported all that background stuff? I've not seen much in the way of details other than gun obsessed, with a hit list of girls.
Neo-Nazi networks in the US, I imagine."
Lol and the nazi run twitter website changed his tweets I suppose lol
Let me guess it was trumps fault yeah lol |
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"So what’s your thoughts guys ?
Is this trumps fault ?
What should be done with gun control?
Are the left to blame?
Antifa to blame ?
The squad to blame ?
Mental illness to blame ?
White supremacy to blame ?
Racism to blame ? "
I'd blame his parents. Easy to do - but they had way more opportunity to influence him, or help him if he was mentally ill; and they were responsible for him for the bulk of his short life. |
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"So what’s your thoughts guys ?
Is this trumps fault ?
What should be done with gun control?
Are the left to blame?
Antifa to blame ?
The squad to blame ?
Mental illness to blame ?
White supremacy to blame ?
Racism to blame ?
I'd blame his parents. Easy to do - but they had way more opportunity to influence him, or help him if he was mentally ill; and they were responsible for him for the bulk of his short life."
Yeah 100% agree and the same as the El Paso one ,, but sure mental health hasn’t helped both mind |
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"I don't really pay that much attention, but it sounded like the el paso killer had a manifesto on line plus sent stuff to the police making the shootings political. Has a link been made in the same way here, or is it just he's a killer AND lefty, not killed because of his left agenda.
Yeah the El Paso twat had a manifesto
Looked online and all I could find about this manifesto the guy posted wasn't much, if I have missed stuff I’m sure you will let me know,
His motivation
The unsigned manifesto, titled “The Inconvenient Truth,” draws direct inspiration from the mass murder of Muslims at two mosques in New Zealand in March that left 51 people dead. In that attack, the alleged killer published a manifesto online promoting a white supremacy
On Trump
“My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president,” the document says.
The Ohio twat didn’t that I have seen so was it political we may never know
But we do know he was a supporter of the terrorist group antifa, wanted to kill all facists, stated he would do anything to speed up socialism hated police, fan of the squad and the bar was a popular place for police and trump supporters ,,, soooooooooo"
I've had a quick dive... Personally some of the tweets and the various websites spin is stretched. The kill every fascists was a reply of a buzz feed post. Its keyboard warrioring at its most immature. I will reserve judgement but so far it feels like people are trying to paint him as an extreme lefty willing to kill for his ideals. Rather than a lefty who happened to kill. I can see why the MSM haven't reported on this yet. All there is are a handful of comments over a number of years. None of which are really that prophetic. |
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"I don't really pay that much attention, but it sounded like the el paso killer had a manifesto on line plus sent stuff to the police making the shootings political. Has a link been made in the same way here, or is it just he's a killer AND lefty, not killed because of his left agenda.
Yeah the El Paso twat had a manifesto
Looked online and all I could find about this manifesto the guy posted wasn't much, if I have missed stuff I’m sure you will let me know,
His motivation
The unsigned manifesto, titled “The Inconvenient Truth,” draws direct inspiration from the mass murder of Muslims at two mosques in New Zealand in March that left 51 people dead. In that attack, the alleged killer published a manifesto online promoting a white supremacy
On Trump
“My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president,” the document says.
The Ohio twat didn’t that I have seen so was it political we may never know
But we do know he was a supporter of the terrorist group antifa, wanted to kill all facists, stated he would do anything to speed up socialism hated police, fan of the squad and the bar was a popular place for police and trump supporters ,,, soooooooooo
I've had a quick dive... Personally some of the tweets and the various websites spin is stretched. The kill every fascists was a reply of a buzz feed post. Its keyboard warrioring at its most immature. I will reserve judgement but so far it feels like people are trying to paint him as an extreme lefty willing to kill for his ideals. Rather than a lefty who happened to kill. I can see why the MSM haven't reported on this yet. All there is are a handful of comments over a number of years. None of which are really that prophetic. "
I agree it’s best to wait for the facts otherwise it’s another covington kid or Jessie smollet disaster, but it is strange that the media are so quiet on the Ohio one ?
But all his views are online and the media is silent |
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"I don't really pay that much attention, but it sounded like the el paso killer had a manifesto on line plus sent stuff to the police making the shootings political. Has a link been made in the same way here, or is it just he's a killer AND lefty, not killed because of his left agenda.
Yeah the El Paso twat had a manifesto
Looked online and all I could find about this manifesto the guy posted wasn't much, if I have missed stuff I’m sure you will let me know,
His motivation
The unsigned manifesto, titled “The Inconvenient Truth,” draws direct inspiration from the mass murder of Muslims at two mosques in New Zealand in March that left 51 people dead. In that attack, the alleged killer published a manifesto online promoting a white supremacy
On Trump
“My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president,” the document says.
The Ohio twat didn’t that I have seen so was it political we may never know
But we do know he was a supporter of the terrorist group antifa, wanted to kill all facists, stated he would do anything to speed up socialism hated police, fan of the squad and the bar was a popular place for police and trump supporters ,,, soooooooooo
I've had a quick dive... Personally some of the tweets and the various websites spin is stretched. The kill every fascists was a reply of a buzz feed post. Its keyboard warrioring at its most immature. I will reserve judgement but so far it feels like people are trying to paint him as an extreme lefty willing to kill for his ideals. Rather than a lefty who happened to kill. I can see why the MSM haven't reported on this yet. All there is are a handful of comments over a number of years. None of which are really that prophetic.
I agree it’s best to wait for the facts otherwise it’s another covington kid or Jessie smollet disaster, but it is strange that the media are so quiet on the Ohio one ?
But all his views are online and the media is silent "
IMO the media shouldn't report unless there feels a very clear motive. A manifesto etc suggest motive. Shooting in a mosque suggests motive. A few childish comments and retweets feels less like motive... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My daughter lives near Dayton, I nearly shat myself until I checked that she had been on FB since the shooting. Quick chat confirmed she was OK and none of her friends were caught up in it.
As mentioned before, the might of the NRA and the clinging to the constitution will make gun control impossible. |
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"I don't really pay that much attention, but it sounded like the el paso killer had a manifesto on line plus sent stuff to the police making the shootings political. Has a link been made in the same way here, or is it just he's a killer AND lefty, not killed because of his left agenda.
Yeah the El Paso twat had a manifesto
Looked online and all I could find about this manifesto the guy posted wasn't much, if I have missed stuff I’m sure you will let me know,
His motivation
The unsigned manifesto, titled “The Inconvenient Truth,” draws direct inspiration from the mass murder of Muslims at two mosques in New Zealand in March that left 51 people dead. In that attack, the alleged killer published a manifesto online promoting a white supremacy
On Trump
“My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president,” the document says.
The Ohio twat didn’t that I have seen so was it political we may never know
But we do know he was a supporter of the terrorist group antifa, wanted to kill all facists, stated he would do anything to speed up socialism hated police, fan of the squad and the bar was a popular place for police and trump supporters ,,, soooooooooo
I've had a quick dive... Personally some of the tweets and the various websites spin is stretched. The kill every fascists was a reply of a buzz feed post. Its keyboard warrioring at its most immature. I will reserve judgement but so far it feels like people are trying to paint him as an extreme lefty willing to kill for his ideals. Rather than a lefty who happened to kill. I can see why the MSM haven't reported on this yet. All there is are a handful of comments over a number of years. None of which are really that prophetic.
I agree it’s best to wait for the facts otherwise it’s another covington kid or Jessie smollet disaster, but it is strange that the media are so quiet on the Ohio one ?
But all his views are online and the media is silent
IMO the media shouldn't report unless there feels a very clear motive. A manifesto etc suggest motive. Shooting in a mosque suggests motive. A few childish comments and retweets feels less like motive..."
Completely agree but does sound like a reason
And thank you for your point of view |
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By (user no longer on site)
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America has the same conversation after each mass shooting, the inevitable debate about gun control versus mental-health care "
I presume it's a bloody quick conversation then as they have that many mass shootings.
Unfortunately America gets what they want, Guns, guns, guns and more guns and mass shootings obviously seem to be more than worth the price to keep having more guns than their own Military. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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So so sad my aunt who lives in America doing back to to school shopping and there are bullet proof bags and vests. Dark, dark times. When will they get the message and ban guns. 250 mass shootings this year and we are only in August x |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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America has the same conversation after each mass shooting, the inevitable debate about gun control versus mental-health care
I presume it's a bloody quick conversation then as they have that many mass shootings.
Unfortunately America gets what they want, Guns, guns, guns and more guns and mass shootings obviously seem to be more than worth the price to keep having more guns than their own Military. "
Ive an idea why dont they hold a referendum?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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America has the same conversation after each mass shooting, the inevitable debate about gun control versus mental-health care
I presume it's a bloody quick conversation then as they have that many mass shootings.
Unfortunately America gets what they want, Guns, guns, guns and more guns and mass shootings obviously seem to be more than worth the price to keep having more guns than their own Military. Ive an idea why dont they hold a referendum? "
Ha, very true  
Though it would be interesting to see the result of a "advisory" referendum |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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America has the same conversation after each mass shooting, the inevitable debate about gun control versus mental-health care
I presume it's a bloody quick conversation then as they have that many mass shootings.
Unfortunately America gets what they want, Guns, guns, guns and more guns and mass shootings obviously seem to be more than worth the price to keep having more guns than their own Military. Ive an idea why dont they hold a referendum?
Ha, very true
Though it would be interesting to see the result of a "advisory" referendum "
I think if they did that there would be a lot more mass shootings. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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i am going to be very careful about what i say about what happened because the police hasn't said what motive there was behind that attack...
however i will say this....
if it is true that he had a 100 round ammo clip.... then i will ask the question
"why on earth are extended magazine rounds legal?"
there is not a civilian that needs 100 round magazine what a 6 or even 10 round clip will so.......
and that is part of the civilised gun control leglistlation that could be passed.... and is blocked by republicans backed by the NRA.......
a friend, who likes to hunt, says this to me...
"if you need an assault rifle to hunt, then you should stick to fishing!"
there are many easy solutions... but like i said in the other thread... after parkland and sandy hook happened i have zero faith in that anything will come of what happened.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i am going to be very careful about what i say about what happened because the police hasn't said what motive there was behind that attack...
however i will say this....
if it is true that he had a 100 round ammo clip.... then i will ask the question
"why on earth are extended magazine rounds legal?"
there is not a civilian that needs 100 round magazine what a 6 or even 10 round clip will so.......
and that is part of the civilised gun control leglistlation that could be passed.... and is blocked by republicans backed by the NRA.......
a friend, who likes to hunt, says this to me...
"if you need an assault rifle to hunt, then you should stick to fishing!"
there are many easy solutions... but like i said in the other thread... after parkland and sandy hook happened i have zero faith in that anything will come of what happened...."
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That's because the middle ground is gun control, where as America is polarised between gun freedom and banning guns.
If only sensible republicans could get together with sensible democrats and ignore there own extremists they might actually make in roads in some of these problems.
Sadly both parties are in trench warfare and ignoring polls that show the majority of Americans favour gun control. |
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"So so sad my aunt who lives in America doing back to to school shopping and there are bullet proof bags and vests. Dark, dark times. When will they get the message and ban guns. 250 mass shootings this year and we are only in August x"
Shit that awful, so sad |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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to many votes to lose for dems and republicans if they bring in gun control.so lots of hollow words for a cpl pf weeks then silence till the nxt one happens.hasnt anyone twigged it yet money talks and bullshit walks and that is the world over.to much cqsh being made from guns no one gona be silly enpugh to ban them |
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"to many votes to lose for dems and republicans if they bring in gun control.so lots of hollow words for a cpl pf weeks then silence till the nxt one happens.hasnt anyone twigged it yet money talks and bullshit walks and that is the world over.to much cqsh being made from guns no one gona be silly enpugh to ban them"
It is a sad state off affairs, but if any single person did run with a no gun policy or many they would have no chance of being elected
If god came down and ran with the no gun policy he would lose also |
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Here's my take
Some deranged humans have been blowing people up
When They happen to utter the words Allahu Akbar' far too many think and openly blame the whole Islamic community and spectrum , and it seems the darker the skin the more a whole load of nasty assumptions are made about individuals and community's
So some fair minded souls thought this racist and idiotic
To balance the nonsense they would point out white people claiming to be Christians also commit vile atrocities, let's illustrate how idiotic it would be to condemn the whole of christianity and by default be suspicious of white men
Any how the racists did not get it , they are now , get the irony preaching that whole communities tribes religions or political beliefs should Notbe linked or tarnished with the blood from a crazed human
Oh oh oh the irony indeed
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"i am going to be very careful about what i say about what happened because the police hasn't said what motive there was behind that attack...
however i will say this....
if it is true that he had a 100 round ammo clip.... then i will ask the question
"why on earth are extended magazine rounds legal?"
there is not a civilian that needs 100 round magazine what a 6 or even 10 round clip will so.......
and that is part of the civilised gun control leglistlation that could be passed.... and is blocked by republicans backed by the NRA.......
a friend, who likes to hunt, says this to me...
"if you need an assault rifle to hunt, then you should stick to fishing!"
there are many easy solutions... but like i said in the other thread... after parkland and sandy hook happened i have zero faith in that anything will come of what happened...."
Can go in Walmart with a driving licence and buy a gun now that is scary x |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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"i am going to be very careful about what i say about what happened because the police hasn't said what motive there was behind that attack...
however i will say this....
if it is true that he had a 100 round ammo clip.... then i will ask the question
"why on earth are extended magazine rounds legal?"
there is not a civilian that needs 100 round magazine what a 6 or even 10 round clip will so.......
and that is part of the civilised gun control leglistlation that could be passed.... and is blocked by republicans backed by the NRA.......
a friend, who likes to hunt, says this to me...
"if you need an assault rifle to hunt, then you should stick to fishing!"
there are many easy solutions... but like i said in the other thread... after parkland and sandy hook happened i have zero faith in that anything will come of what happened....
Can go in Walmart with a driving licence and buy a gun now that is scary x"
Gun ownership is seen as a right as it is enshrined in the constitution under the 2nd amendment.
I’m not entirely sure the founding fathers of the American nation had the wide scale ownership of automatic weapons in mind when they enacted it.
Change to the culture of gun ownership will take years if not decades to address. As things will have to progress in small incremental steps.
Though it will take an exceeding brave person to go up against the NRA and other vested interest bodies. Also the fear of the federal government taking over people’s lives is very dominant.
There are solutions but they require complex changes to civil society in America but they are also difficult to embrace and require more explanation than I have time to write here.
You will never stop people committing crimes like this but what you can do is make the tools less acceptable and accessible.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I know New Zealand is a smaller country but take it as an example one shooting in a mosque. National outcry and the guns are banned from entering the country. But the USA will never change x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's easy... As every killing is down to mental issues... Set higher standards to have the right to keep arms. As I assume they don't allow everyone (ex crimes) to own them...? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Dunno if this has been said but...
More Americans have died from guns since 1968 than in all the wars in US history.
Let that sink in for a moment.
American War of Independence
American Civil War
WWI
WWII
Korea
Vietnam
Kuwait
Iraq
Afghanistan |
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"Dunno if this has been said but...
More Americans have died from guns since 1968 than in all the wars in US history.
Let that sink in for a moment.
American War of Independence
American Civil War
WWI
WWII
Korea
Vietnam
Kuwait
Iraq
Afghanistan "
It is truly awful and I’ve no real idea how to make it better
Banning guns don’t think would work as 1, a bad person would always find a gun 2, no presidential candidate would get elected if they tried to ban guns
More checks may help but still I think you could still get a gun from somewhere else if you wanted one
Maybe if the media weren’t so for dividing the nation might help but they have there narratives and bias so can’t see that changing either
Total no tolerance measures for left wing and right wing terrorist might help
Better mental health care ? But again how and what ?
Any ideas ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Some people will always do illegal stuff, but that's not a reason not to make it illegal.
Ban guns of above a centre power. Ban semi auto. Treat owning an illegal gun as attempted murder. Three possessions and a death penalty.
(not my views. But feels American) |
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"Some people will always do illegal stuff, but that's not a reason not to make it illegal.
Ban guns of above a centre power. Ban semi auto. Treat owning an illegal gun as attempted murder. Three possessions and a death penalty.
(not my views. But feels American) "
Yeah that could put a dent in the general gun crime in the US but not sure that would do much to stop the mass shooting incidents mind |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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After having thought about the ease at which guns are purchased, I think a tightening up of the gun controls is necessary. Have stringent medical checks too. There's no need for semis, although I know people like to fire them at the gun club range, that's absolutely fine. But you could have an armoury and keep your semis there.
Semis aren't really necessary for hunting. A good rifle, shotguns are adequate enough. Hand guns well, the argument about those still pisses people off in the UK who legally fired them at shooting ranges and at sporting events, they lost them due to a few nut jobs on a killing spree. The hand gun in the states is personal protection use, so that's fair enough. If a lunatic got in your home at least you can defend yourself.
I guess it all boils down to people's freedoms again, how many checks do you laden on law abiding citizens for the sake of the criminals and nutters, who let's face it will get a gun whatever law there is.
However a tightening of gun checks before issuing a licence or selling a gun is absolutely necessary. |
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"Some people will always do illegal stuff, but that's not a reason not to make it illegal.
Ban guns of above a centre power. Ban semi auto. Treat owning an illegal gun as attempted murder. Three possessions and a death penalty.
(not my views. But feels American)
Yeah that could put a dent in the general gun crime in the US but not sure that would do much to stop the mass shooting incidents mind "
Maybe it's my perception but many a mass murder comes from legally owned guns.
Make it harder to obtain, and you will stem the flow.
Sure some will get thru the net, but it will also be easier to identify others. It's the illegal nature of explosives which help find terrorists. |
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"Some people will always do illegal stuff, but that's not a reason not to make it illegal.
Ban guns of above a centre power. Ban semi auto. Treat owning an illegal gun as attempted murder. Three possessions and a death penalty.
(not my views. But feels American)
Yeah that could put a dent in the general gun crime in the US but not sure that would do much to stop the mass shooting incidents mind
Maybe it's my perception but many a mass murder comes from legally owned guns.
Make it harder to obtain, and you will stem the flow.
Sure some will get thru the net, but it will also be easier to identify others. It's the illegal nature of explosives which help find terrorists. "
Completely agree and getting rid or outlawing semi’s and the 3 strikes thing, just the mass shootings people seem to be normal people till the time comes so not sure those measures would stop these people
The everyday shootings yeah that should help reduce these
It seems to me mental heath seems to be the problem with the mass shootings and need to identify these issues before they happen, but how is it done without invading people’s privacy |
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"Some people will always do illegal stuff, but that's not a reason not to make it illegal.
Ban guns of above a centre power. Ban semi auto. Treat owning an illegal gun as attempted murder. Three possessions and a death penalty.
(not my views. But feels American)
Yeah that could put a dent in the general gun crime in the US but not sure that would do much to stop the mass shooting incidents mind
Maybe it's my perception but many a mass murder comes from legally owned guns.
Make it harder to obtain, and you will stem the flow.
Sure some will get thru the net, but it will also be easier to identify others. It's the illegal nature of explosives which help find terrorists.
Completely agree and getting rid or outlawing semi’s and the 3 strikes thing, just the mass shootings people seem to be normal people till the time comes so not sure those measures would stop these people
The everyday shootings yeah that should help reduce these
It seems to me mental heath seems to be the problem with the mass shootings and need to identify these issues before they happen, but how is it done without invading people’s privacy "
Only 4% of the mass shooters had mental health issues. |
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"Some people will always do illegal stuff, but that's not a reason not to make it illegal.
Ban guns of above a centre power. Ban semi auto. Treat owning an illegal gun as attempted murder. Three possessions and a death penalty.
(not my views. But feels American)
Yeah that could put a dent in the general gun crime in the US but not sure that would do much to stop the mass shooting incidents mind
Maybe it's my perception but many a mass murder comes from legally owned guns.
Make it harder to obtain, and you will stem the flow.
Sure some will get thru the net, but it will also be easier to identify others. It's the illegal nature of explosives which help find terrorists.
Completely agree and getting rid or outlawing semi’s and the 3 strikes thing, just the mass shootings people seem to be normal people till the time comes so not sure those measures would stop these people
The everyday shootings yeah that should help reduce these
It seems to me mental heath seems to be the problem with the mass shootings and need to identify these issues before they happen, but how is it done without invading people’s privacy
Only 4% of the mass shooters had mental health issues. "
Ok well I haven’t looked into that to be fair. I’m only going on the basis that if you walk in somewhere and unload machine guns on innocent people I’m guessing that sane people don’t do this
Will look into it now, where did you get the 4% from and will start looking there |
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"Even if mental health is a factor, you have to ask why America seems to have more than its fair share...
Means and motive so to speak. "
Yeah it’s awful I would guess
Means: guns unfortunately are everywhere
Motive: I don’t think media or the political decide all ways making the other side are monsters and making a huge divide of the county ( far worse in the us than here )
Latest 2 shootings, 1 was republican 1 was a Democrat
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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"If it wasn't Trump it must be the Tories or Brexit."
This one in Ohio, it took a while, but it turns out this crazy shooter was reposting quotes and using ideas from AOC, Warren, Sanders and Antifa. When can we all start blaming them?? Because he definately idolised their rhetoric! The silence on this is deafening, it's like being in a room full of crickets.
The EL Paso weirdo also looks like his twitter/internet profiles were changed three times in an hour completely changing it from being a registered democrat to republican, with all the associated buzz word information.
I can only think that the narratives didn't fit quite good enough to suit the heavily loaded narratives of the Trump bashing blame game. Now who would have thought that! |
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"If it wasn't Trump it must be the Tories or Brexit.
This one in Ohio, it took a while, but it turns out this crazy shooter was reposting quotes and using ideas from AOC, Warren, Sanders and Antifa. When can we all start blaming them?? Because he definately idolised their rhetoric! The silence on this is deafening, it's like being in a room full of crickets.
The EL Paso weirdo also looks like his twitter/internet profiles were changed three times in an hour completely changing it from being a registered democrat to republican, with all the associated buzz word information.
I can only think that the narratives didn't fit quite good enough to suit the heavily loaded narratives of the Trump bashing blame game. Now who would have thought that! "
As I think has been covered, the el paso killer left a manifesto which suggested a political motive.
The ohio one is AFAIK unclear as to why.
Link to a source which talks about changing twitter. Is the suggestion this is a false flag? |
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over a year ago
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"If it wasn't Trump it must be the Tories or Brexit.
This one in Ohio, it took a while, but it turns out this crazy shooter was reposting quotes and using ideas from AOC, Warren, Sanders and Antifa. When can we all start blaming them?? Because he definately idolised their rhetoric! The silence on this is deafening, it's like being in a room full of crickets.
The EL Paso weirdo also looks like his twitter/internet profiles were changed three times in an hour completely changing it from being a registered democrat to republican, with all the associated buzz word information.
I can only think that the narratives didn't fit quite good enough to suit the heavily loaded narratives of the Trump bashing blame game. Now who would have thought that!
As I think has been covered, the el paso killer left a manifesto which suggested a political motive.
The ohio one is AFAIK unclear as to why.
Link to a source which talks about changing twitter. Is the suggestion this is a false flag? "
I'm not suggesting it's a false flag, I am saying that this Drayton shooter was a radicalised left winger and he has a history of retweeting Left wing ideology. How do left wing folk see this? Does it fit with the constant narrative from MSM? I don't hear a lot of Blame being flung at left wing politicians?
The accounts of the Other Shooter appear to have been changed according to archived Internet sites and sources. An Internet researcher called Lisa Haven news uncovered the information from gateway pundit who have the screen shoots of the twitter profile. There are archive channels out there, but there all subscription use only. |
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"If it wasn't Trump it must be the Tories or Brexit.
This one in Ohio, it took a while, but it turns out this crazy shooter was reposting quotes and using ideas from AOC, Warren, Sanders and Antifa. When can we all start blaming them?? Because he definately idolised their rhetoric! The silence on this is deafening, it's like being in a room full of crickets.
The EL Paso weirdo also looks like his twitter/internet profiles were changed three times in an hour completely changing it from being a registered democrat to republican, with all the associated buzz word information.
I can only think that the narratives didn't fit quite good enough to suit the heavily loaded narratives of the Trump bashing blame game. Now who would have thought that!
As I think has been covered, the el paso killer left a manifesto which suggested a political motive.
The ohio one is AFAIK unclear as to why.
Link to a source which talks about changing twitter. Is the suggestion this is a false flag?
I'm not suggesting it's a false flag, I am saying that this Drayton shooter was a radicalised left winger and he has a history of retweeting Left wing ideology. How do left wing folk see this? Does it fit with the constant narrative from MSM? I don't hear a lot of Blame being flung at left wing politicians?
The accounts of the Other Shooter appear to have been changed according to archived Internet sites and sources. An Internet researcher called Lisa Haven news uncovered the information from gateway pundit who have the screen shoots of the twitter profile. There are archive channels out there, but there all subscription use only. "
From the sites I've seen showing his left wing tweets, they were more symbolic of an immature keyboard warrior than hradcore left wing idealog.
Kill all fascist he comments in a buzz feed article etc.
And none of the (few) sites I saw had more than a few comments across a range of social media.
Was he left. Yes. Did he subscribe to some more extreme left views.yes, as do many lefty students. Is there any sign this fed into his actions. AFAIK no. So why is this relevant? Do all gun crimes have a political reason? |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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According to a fair few on here gun crimes are politically motivated, yes. Hence the absolute hysteria about blaming Trump.
Switch this one to the other side and start blaming left wing politicians. However this is the point, they won't because it doesn't fit their narrative. |
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"If it wasn't Trump it must be the Tories or Brexit.
This one in Ohio, it took a while, but it turns out this crazy shooter was reposting quotes and using ideas from AOC, Warren, Sanders and Antifa. When can we all start blaming them?? Because he definately idolised their rhetoric! The silence on this is deafening, it's like being in a room full of crickets.
The EL Paso weirdo also looks like his twitter/internet profiles were changed three times in an hour completely changing it from being a registered democrat to republican, with all the associated buzz word information.
I can only think that the narratives didn't fit quite good enough to suit the heavily loaded narratives of the Trump bashing blame game. Now who would have thought that!
As I think has been covered, the el paso killer left a manifesto which suggested a political motive.
The ohio one is AFAIK unclear as to why.
Link to a source which talks about changing twitter. Is the suggestion this is a false flag?
I'm not suggesting it's a false flag, I am saying that this Drayton shooter was a radicalised left winger and he has a history of retweeting Left wing ideology. How do left wing folk see this? Does it fit with the constant narrative from MSM? I don't hear a lot of Blame being flung at left wing politicians?
The accounts of the Other Shooter appear to have been changed according to archived Internet sites and sources. An Internet researcher called Lisa Haven news uncovered the information from gateway pundit who have the screen shoots of the twitter profile. There are archive channels out there, but there all subscription use only. "
Also looks like gateway were talking about my life not twitter. And he was edited to be to first drum and then rep after the event. The original profile was silent. And my life can be edited by anyone.
If this is wrong, please source the twitter version of the claim. |
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"According to a fair few on here gun crimes are politically motivated, yes. Hence the absolute hysteria about blaming Trump.
Switch this one to the other side and start blaming left wing politicians. However this is the point, they won't because it doesn't fit their narrative. "
Again. El paso had a manifesto. That is why people are linking it to politics. And politicians whichbseem to fuel his views. |
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"According to a fair few on here gun crimes are politically motivated, yes. Hence the absolute hysteria about blaming Trump.
Switch this one to the other side and start blaming left wing politicians. However this is the point, they won't because it doesn't fit their narrative.
Again. El paso had a manifesto. That is why people are linking it to politics. And politicians whichbseem to fuel his views. "
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BLM march through towns chanting shoot the pigs, they constantly and consistently run a message that all cops are out there are killing unarmed black people, that white cops are kkk members, awhile back a black guy shot two white cops sat in they're car, he later stated they deserved it for police brutality, there's literally dozens of these cases they don't make the news and certainly wasn't a media talking point on language being used to incite violence.
Six cops, four of which were fairly new to the job rushed into get this killer down within 1 minute of his spree,I haven't seen one article mentioning there names or the act of bravery and a job well done, not one, there's no forum thread for the cops until one bad cop out of thousands does a bad thing and then it's a left wing narrative of all cops are kkk members out there harassing and killing coloured people, same with the left wing message on i.c.e, AOC is forever telling people that ice personal are running concentration camps on the southern border, that there illegally separating parents from children, caging these kids, making people drink from toilets and then there's a left wing antifa activist who tries to kill them with a rifle and blow up the building, he leaves a written page on how i.c.e deserve it for there actions against immigrants??. no front page media story, no talking point of incitement.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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so much whataboutism going on in here.....
so lets go thru what we do know...
this person is being investigated by the FBI over "violent rhetoric" but NOT anything Racial......
so all the comparisons to El Paso... and people trying ton conflate this to BLM (yes the person above me getting quite desperate) can go out the window...
we know this person had a "kill list" for men.... and a "rape list" for women... from people he knew at high school
We know that his last girlfriend talked about him having Suicidal thoughts all the time (one of the reason why they split up)
so yes... have at it as a gun control issue.... have at it as a mental health issue....
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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"According to a fair few on here gun crimes are politically motivated, yes. Hence the absolute hysteria about blaming Trump.
Switch this one to the other side and start blaming left wing politicians. However this is the point, they won't because it doesn't fit their narrative.
Again. El paso had a manifesto. That is why people are linking it to politics. And politicians whichbseem to fuel his views. .
BLM march through towns chanting shoot the pigs, they constantly and consistently run a message that all cops are out there are killing unarmed black people, that white cops are kkk members, awhile back a black guy shot two white cops sat in they're car, he later stated they deserved it for police brutality, there's literally dozens of these cases they don't make the news and certainly wasn't a media talking point on language being used to incite violence.
Six cops, four of which were fairly new to the job rushed into get this killer down within 1 minute of his spree,I haven't seen one article mentioning there names or the act of bravery and a job well done, not one, there's no forum thread for the cops until one bad cop out of thousands does a bad thing and then it's a left wing narrative of all cops are kkk members out there harassing and killing coloured people, same with the left wing message on i.c.e, AOC is forever telling people that ice personal are running concentration camps on the southern border, that there illegally separating parents from children, caging these kids, making people drink from toilets and then there's a left wing antifa activist who tries to kill them with a rifle and blow up the building, he leaves a written page on how i.c.e deserve it for there actions against immigrants??. no front page media story, no talking point of incitement.
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Where are all 'the love not hate' crowd now? One of their own has gone rogue, killed his own sister and others and nothing, not a sausage!
This shooter has left wing, Berrnie Bro, satanist, stamped all over his online profiles.
Who are they blaming for this one?
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"so much whataboutism going on in here.....
so lets go thru what we do know...
this person is being investigated by the FBI over "violent rhetoric" but NOT anything Racial......
so all the comparisons to El Paso... and people trying ton conflate this to BLM (yes the person above me getting quite desperate) can go out the window...
we know this person had a "kill list" for men.... and a "rape list" for women... from people he knew at high school
We know that his last girlfriend talked about him having Suicidal thoughts all the time (one of the reason why they split up)
so yes... have at it as a gun control issue.... have at it as a mental health issue....
but the rest..... thats a stretch!"
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Rasheed turner lead a BLM march through Minnesota chanting what do we want, dead cops, when do we want it now,3 months later Micheal Johnson shot dead 3 police and injured 5 more, he later said he wanted to kill cops, especially white cops and white people and that he was angry from BLM injustices.
I don't remember reading the guardian article on how BLM is inciting this violence, maybe I missed it?. |
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"so much whataboutism going on in here.....
so lets go thru what we do know...
this person is being investigated by the FBI over "violent rhetoric" but NOT anything Racial......
so all the comparisons to El Paso... and people trying ton conflate this to BLM (yes the person above me getting quite desperate) can go out the window...
we know this person had a "kill list" for men.... and a "rape list" for women... from people he knew at high school
We know that his last girlfriend talked about him having Suicidal thoughts all the time (one of the reason why they split up)
so yes... have at it as a gun control issue.... have at it as a mental health issue....
but the rest..... thats a stretch!"
Yay Mr CNN is back
Well what we do know is
The Ohio twat didn’t have a type of manifesto type thing, I mention about the El Paso guy a post or 2 above so was it political ??? We may never know
But we do know he was a supporter of the terrorist group antifa, a supporter of Elizabeth Warren, a socialist, wanted to kill all facists, stated he would do anything to speed up socialism, hated police, fan of the squad and the bar was a well known popular place for police and trump supporters ,,, soooooooooo |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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lol.... you sound so much like tucker carlson... its quite funny...
actually.... you also sound like a previous poster on here as well.... one goes, comes back under a new name, then comes back under a new name again..... |
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"lol.... you sound so much like tucker carlson... its quite funny...
actually.... you also sound like a previous poster on here as well.... one goes, comes back under a new name, then comes back under a new name again....."
O how the fragile mind works lol
So just because multiple people prove you wrong and make you look silly it’s just one person with multiple accounts.
Maybe it’s trump ? I am wearing an orange t-shirt after all ( insert the twilight zone tune )
So Don Lemon any response to my last 2 posts above in this thread ? 1 about Ohio and 1 about El Paso ?
Or will you duck out again like the debates we had with abortion, trumps racism and the trump popularity poll ? |
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How about the complete lie of hands up don't shoot that was widely pushed by BLM and the media and which lead to an innocent officer losing his job and having to spend his life in hiding thanks to numerous death threats to his family let alone the millions of dollars of damage to Ferguson or the set back to policing in these communities.
Now I get that there's a conversation that needs to happen over some policing injustices, that there maybe better ways to tackle crime hotspot areas, I wouldn't want to shut down the voices of concern amongst the black community in policing just because a few black activists go rogue with a narrative pushed by a heavily biased left wing media.
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over a year ago
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"lol.... you sound so much like tucker carlson... its quite funny...
actually.... you also sound like a previous poster on here as well.... one goes, comes back under a new name, then comes back under a new name again.....
O how the fragile mind works lol
So just because multiple people prove you wrong and make you look silly it’s just one person with multiple accounts.
Maybe it’s trump ? I am wearing an orange t-shirt after all ( insert the twilight zone tune )
So Don Lemon any response to my last 2 posts above in this thread ? 1 about Ohio and 1 about El Paso ?
Or will you duck out again like the debates we had with abortion, trumps racism and the trump popularity poll ? "
1) i will only report what the police have issued.... you want to go all "tin foil hat" conspiracy theorist... then go for your guns "tucker"
2) the abortion thing... you couldn't back up what you said... you lied throughout that thread... like i said... i called you out... i'm done
3) what trump popularity poll... all i know is that 2.5 years in.... never polled higher that 50% in any poll so far....
in fact the 538 politics tracker poll of the 26 polls at the moment has him at 42.3%.......
but yeah "tucker"..... whos changing topics now.... |
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over a year ago
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"How about the complete lie of hands up don't shoot that was widely pushed by BLM and the media and which lead to an innocent officer losing his job and having to spend his life in hiding thanks to numerous death threats to his family let alone the millions of dollars of damage to Ferguson or the set back to policing in these communities.
Now I get that there's a conversation that needs to happen over some policing injustices, that there maybe better ways to tackle crime hotspot areas, I wouldn't want to shut down the voices of concern amongst the black community in policing just because a few black activists go rogue with a narrative pushed by a heavily biased left wing media.
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i could talk about eric garner instead then....
or tamir rice....
or sandra bland
or laquan mcdonald
or trayvon martin
or walter scott |
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"lol.... you sound so much like tucker carlson... its quite funny...
actually.... you also sound like a previous poster on here as well.... one goes, comes back under a new name, then comes back under a new name again.....
O how the fragile mind works lol
So just because multiple people prove you wrong and make you look silly it’s just one person with multiple accounts.
Maybe it’s trump ? I am wearing an orange t-shirt after all ( insert the twilight zone tune )
So Don Lemon any response to my last 2 posts above in this thread ? 1 about Ohio and 1 about El Paso ?
Or will you duck out again like the debates we had with abortion, trumps racism and the trump popularity poll ?
1) i will only report what the police have issued.... you want to go all "tin foil hat" conspiracy theorist... then go for your guns "tucker"
2) the abortion thing... you couldn't back up what you said... you lied throughout that thread... like i said... i called you out... i'm done
3) what trump popularity poll... all i know is that 2.5 years in.... never polled higher that 50% in any poll so far....
in fact the 538 politics tracker poll of the 26 polls at the moment has him at 42.3%.......
but yeah "tucker"..... whos changing topics now...."
Changing topic ? Lol you did by saying I was tucker and didn’t mention the topic we were discussing lol so I continued on the topic you changed it to , wow either you have a 2 second memory or your well let just say not the sharpest tool in the box
1, it’s all readily available online dude have a look but you won’t find it on cnn don
2, couldn’t back it up ? You may want to look again I gave a full analysis with facts and 3 different separate links ( as I know your a lazy poster ) and then you go silent ,, called me out lol come on mate looking silly isn’t calling someone out
3, you posted a poll with the aim of bashing trump and how America really feels, I point out the poll was taken from 1306 voters out of 300000000 Americans and you were uurr uurr uurr silent lol
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"How about the complete lie of hands up don't shoot that was widely pushed by BLM and the media and which lead to an innocent officer losing his job and having to spend his life in hiding thanks to numerous death threats to his family let alone the millions of dollars of damage to Ferguson or the set back to policing in these communities.
Now I get that there's a conversation that needs to happen over some policing injustices, that there maybe better ways to tackle crime hotspot areas, I wouldn't want to shut down the voices of concern amongst the black community in policing just because a few black activists go rogue with a narrative pushed by a heavily biased left wing media.
i could talk about eric garner instead then....
or tamir rice....
or sandra bland
or laquan mcdonald
or trayvon martin
or walter scott"
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Whataboutery?. I thought you were against it.
Ok should I list the crimes of illegal aliens that have come over the border, how many r@pes do you think I can find?, Is Donald trump allowed to say some of them are r@pists when some of them are r@pists?.
Are BLM allowed to call out the police on police injustices like I pointed out before, sure they are, injustices should always be rooted out, should they outright lie about some prominent stories while attaching chants about cop killing?, probably not because you'll get some nut shooting innocent cops.
Should Donald trump be more mindful of his language while talking about illegal immigration, sure, that's just manners and if your not careful you'll get some nut shooting up Mexican restaurants. |
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over a year ago
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Incoming weak response from don lemon lol "
why the comparison to don lemon...... is he the only one you can think of that happens to be.... you know..... hmmmmmm....... |
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over a year ago
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"How about the complete lie of hands up don't shoot that was widely pushed by BLM and the media and which lead to an innocent officer losing his job and having to spend his life in hiding thanks to numerous death threats to his family let alone the millions of dollars of damage to Ferguson or the set back to policing in these communities.
Now I get that there's a conversation that needs to happen over some policing injustices, that there maybe better ways to tackle crime hotspot areas, I wouldn't want to shut down the voices of concern amongst the black community in policing just because a few black activists go rogue with a narrative pushed by a heavily biased left wing media.
i could talk about eric garner instead then....
or tamir rice....
or sandra bland
or laquan mcdonald
or trayvon martin
or walter scott.
Whataboutery?. I thought you were against it.
Ok should I list the crimes of illegal aliens that have come over the border, how many r@pes do you think I can find?, Is Donald trump allowed to say some of them are r@pists when some of them are r@pists?.
Are BLM allowed to call out the police on police injustices like I pointed out before, sure they are, injustices should always be rooted out, should they outright lie about some prominent stories while attaching chants about cop killing?, probably not because you'll get some nut shooting innocent cops.
Should Donald trump be more mindful of his language while talking about illegal immigration, sure, that's just manners and if your not careful you'll get some nut shooting up Mexican restaurants."
You spot on, the 'love not haters' can not do it, it's beneath them on their moral high ground grand standing.
They are so entwined in their little utopias and creating their little utopias, that they can't call out one of their own who killed and had 'socialism' written all over himself and wanted 'Socialism'.
Throw crap at one side, you through crap at the other, that's equality for you. Life Is not all one way.
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Incoming weak response from don lemon lol
why the comparison to don lemon...... is he the only one you can think of that happens to be.... you know..... hmmmmmm....... "
And there it is the weak response lol your the gift that keeps giving
So I mention one “news broadcaster” and you ask if that’s the only one I know ?
Please keep in mind you called me tucker first lol is he the only one you know ?
What a weak reply, come on up your game this is to easy
But you ask why I choose don lemon, as he is so politically blinkered, trump hating with no facts and purposely try to divide people.
So that’s why I called you don lemon
Do you want to go back to any of the topics you changed from or you happy to keep looking silly on this ? |
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over a year ago
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i called you "tucker" because you remind me of a white supremacist trump apologist....
i could have called you "hannity"... or "kilmeade".... or any of the other fox slappies...
but no... you remind me the most of tucker because i think you are a "white supremacist trump apologist".......
and your "defense" of trump leaves me thinking i'm not wrong...
so.... who are you really hiding behind with that name.... hmmmmm....... |
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"i called you "tucker" because you remind me of a white supremacist trump apologist....
i could have called you "hannity"... or "kilmeade".... or any of the other fox slappies...
but no... you remind me the most of tucker because i think you are a "white supremacist trump apologist".......
and your "defense" of trump leaves me thinking i'm not wrong...
so.... who are you really hiding behind with that name.... hmmmmm......."
Well you well and truly lost this one now lol
Calling me a white suprematist lol
Typical left fairies you lose a discussion or someone has a difference of opinion and they are white suprematists lol
Pretty much a quick scroll up on this tread will show my views on racism, but lazy don won’t do that
Keep calling people racist without facts dilutes the ability to actually fight real racism that actually does exists, shame on you don
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"According to a fair few on here gun crimes are politically motivated, yes. Hence the absolute hysteria about blaming Trump.
Switch this one to the other side and start blaming left wing politicians. However this is the point, they won't because it doesn't fit their narrative.
Again. El paso had a manifesto. That is why people are linking it to politics. And politicians whichbseem to fuel his views.
I’ve just gone through the whole manifesto and his view on mix racing and immigration are awful, he also stated how much he dislikes the democrats and the republican political parties.
Also clearly states that his ideas were in place long before trump and also stated he guessed the media would spin everything and make out he’s a trump supporting white nationalist and blame trump and he states this isn’t the case
Mylife can be edited by anyone, what is certain was his political views were changed from democratic to republican, was it changed before ? I would say probably as he dosent seem to like either
His twitter had no posts in the last 2 years but before that he posted a pic of trump and did like the idea of the wall
Manifesto, please read
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/7e1363f7757dbaa81b0be29cedfb854dbdd7c3559b1c5afa0e15d63402d39934.pdf"
Apparently ohio killer when from no mylife affiliation to dem (after the event) to rep later. A conspiracy website only reported on the latter change making it sound like he was a dem.
A poster here suggested it was twitter which changed. Which is v different as mylife is editable by anyone.
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"According to a fair few on here gun crimes are politically motivated, yes. Hence the absolute hysteria about blaming Trump.
Switch this one to the other side and start blaming left wing politicians. However this is the point, they won't because it doesn't fit their narrative.
Again. El paso had a manifesto. That is why people are linking it to politics. And politicians whichbseem to fuel his views.
I’ve just gone through the whole manifesto and his view on mix racing and immigration are awful, he also stated how much he dislikes the democrats and the republican political parties.
Also clearly states that his ideas were in place long before trump and also stated he guessed the media would spin everything and make out he’s a trump supporting white nationalist and blame trump and he states this isn’t the case
Mylife can be edited by anyone, what is certain was his political views were changed from democratic to republican, was it changed before ? I would say probably as he dosent seem to like either
His twitter had no posts in the last 2 years but before that he posted a pic of trump and did like the idea of the wall
Manifesto, please read
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/7e1363f7757dbaa81b0be29cedfb854dbdd7c3559b1c5afa0e15d63402d39934.pdf
Apparently ohio killer when from no mylife affiliation to dem (after the event) to rep later. A conspiracy website only reported on the latter change making it sound like he was a dem.
A poster here suggested it was twitter which changed. Which is v different as mylife is editable by anyone.
May look at the manifesto when not at work, Thx for sharing tho. "
No worries, it’s a long read, but definitely gives an insight into his thinking
Yeah the mylife bit is mainly rubbish but seems was definitely tampered by people of both sides of politics and these are sick people also |
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"i called you "tucker" because you remind me of a white supremacist trump apologist....
i could have called you "hannity"... or "kilmeade".... or any of the other fox slappies...
but no... you remind me the most of tucker because i think you are a "white supremacist trump apologist".......
and your "defense" of trump leaves me thinking i'm not wrong...
so.... who are you really hiding behind with that name.... hmmmmm......."
I don’t think you are correct with this prediction mate.
Too coherent for who you think it is. Plus his veris add up |
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"i called you "tucker" because you remind me of a white supremacist trump apologist....
i could have called you "hannity"... or "kilmeade".... or any of the other fox slappies...
but no... you remind me the most of tucker because i think you are a "white supremacist trump apologist".......
and your "defense" of trump leaves me thinking i'm not wrong...
so.... who are you really hiding behind with that name.... hmmmmm.......
I don’t think you are correct with this prediction mate.
Too coherent for who you think it is. Plus his veris add up "
Lol what ?? Does this guy think I have some kind of alter ego or something? Lol
How paranoid is this guy lol, that tells me all I need to know about this frightened paranoid young leftist ,, wow |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"i called you "tucker" because you remind me of a white supremacist trump apologist....
i could have called you "hannity"... or "kilmeade".... or any of the other fox slappies...
but no... you remind me the most of tucker because i think you are a "white supremacist trump apologist".......
and your "defense" of trump leaves me thinking i'm not wrong...
so.... who are you really hiding behind with that name.... hmmmmm.......
I don’t think you are correct with this prediction mate.
Too coherent for who you think it is. Plus his veris add up
Lol what ?? Does this guy think I have some kind of alter ego or something? Lol
How paranoid is this guy lol, that tells me all I need to know about this frightened paranoid young leftist ,, wow"
maybe hes after a meet.  |
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"i called you "tucker" because you remind me of a white supremacist trump apologist....
i could have called you "hannity"... or "kilmeade".... or any of the other fox slappies...
but no... you remind me the most of tucker because i think you are a "white supremacist trump apologist".......
and your "defense" of trump leaves me thinking i'm not wrong...
so.... who are you really hiding behind with that name.... hmmmmm.......
I don’t think you are correct with this prediction mate.
Too coherent for who you think it is. Plus his veris add up
Lol what ?? Does this guy think I have some kind of alter ego or something? Lol
How paranoid is this guy lol, that tells me all I need to know about this frightened paranoid young leftist ,, wowmaybe hes after a meet. "
Actually makes sense now
Lol unfortunately for him I’m not fab straight |
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"Why is a group of swingers being encouraged to read a terrorist manifesto?
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Just really as were were just discussing the awful mass shootings recently and we’ve been discussing the political allegiances of the 2
Trump was getting the blame for the El Paso one and it’s just that the manifesto confirmed he disliked the Democrats and the Republicans and that his ideology had nothing to do with trump that’s all
Awful topic but just a debate that’s all |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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"According to a fair few on here gun crimes are politically motivated, yes. Hence the absolute hysteria about blaming Trump.
Switch this one to the other side and start blaming left wing politicians. However this is the point, they won't because it doesn't fit their narrative.
Again. El paso had a manifesto. That is why people are linking it to politics. And politicians whichbseem to fuel his views.
I’ve just gone through the whole manifesto and his view on mix racing and immigration are awful, he also stated how much he dislikes the democrats and the republican political parties.
Also clearly states that his ideas were in place long before trump and also stated he guessed the media would spin everything and make out he’s a trump supporting white nationalist and blame trump and he states this isn’t the case
Mylife can be edited by anyone, what is certain was his political views were changed from democratic to republican, was it changed before ? I would say probably as he dosent seem to like either
His twitter had no posts in the last 2 years but before that he posted a pic of trump and did like the idea of the wall
Manifesto, please read
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/7e1363f7757dbaa81b0be29cedfb854dbdd7c3559b1c5afa0e15d63402d39934.pdf
Apparently ohio killer when from no mylife affiliation to dem (after the event) to rep later. A conspiracy website only reported on the latter change making it sound like he was a dem.
A poster here suggested it was twitter which changed. Which is v different as mylife is editable by anyone.
May look at the manifesto when not at work, Thx for sharing tho. "
Correct my mistake, mylife it is.
I never heard of that before, it looked like twitter. But I wouldn't know, I don't use any. Mylife it is. |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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"Why is a group of swingers being encouraged to read a terrorist manifesto?
Just really as were were just discussing the awful mass shootings recently and we’ve been discussing the political allegiances of the 2
Trump was getting the blame for the El Paso one and it’s just that the manifesto confirmed he disliked the Democrats and the Republicans and that his ideology had nothing to do with trump that’s all
Awful topic but just a debate that’s all"
It's good to read that El Paso one and also good to read about the Dayton one also. Lots of interesting stuff is coming out. What a twisted warped world we live in. |
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Me neither. Just goes to show how a bit of Chinese whispers and poor journalism effectively means what looks like tit for tat wiki style updates turns into a nefarious looking cover up.
(i will add this works in all directions. Similar rumours of trump deleting tweets were circling at one point) |
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By *uxinteriorMan
over a year ago
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"Me neither. Just goes to show how a bit of Chinese whispers and poor journalism effectively means what looks like tit for tat wiki style updates turns into a nefarious looking cover up.
(i will add this works in all directions. Similar rumours of trump deleting tweets were circling at one point) "
Very much so |
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"Me neither. Just goes to show how a bit of Chinese whispers and poor journalism effectively means what looks like tit for tat wiki style updates turns into a nefarious looking cover up.
(i will add this works in all directions. Similar rumours of trump deleting tweets were circling at one point)
Very much so "
All we get is snippets and sound bites and things taken out of context. We don't know who to trust or who to believe. Because politics, media and news sites are all biased. Nothing is objective any more x |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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“Anyone who seeks to deny the negative effects that promoting terrorist propaganda can have should think carefully about the massive global effort to remove terrorist content from social media platforms and the pressure that governments, law enforcement and, ironically, the mass media has put on those companies to cleanse their sites.”
- Neil Basu, head of counter-terrorist policing, Met Police |
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It’s easy these days for things to become convoluted.
Look at the Maga hat kid. People were out to nail him to the floor initially. And then when more footage came out the retreat and what aboutism started.
I saw people screen shotting off here and putting it on twitter and discord. |
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Some interesting stuff there and it’s tough
Obviously both political parties have different agendas, main media is divided so they have there agendas and the same goes for the majority of voters are the same.
Personally I try and look at both sides but is sometimes difficult to get the truth on most topics.
Think the states need to work together a lot more on housing, infrastructure immigration, guns etc but both sides won’t help the other |
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"Some interesting stuff there and it’s tough
Obviously both political parties have different agendas, main media is divided so they have there agendas and the same goes for the majority of voters are the same.
Personally I try and look at both sides but is sometimes difficult to get the truth on most topics.
Think the states need to work together a lot more on housing, infrastructure immigration, guns etc but both sides won’t help the other "
Ah but different states have different laws how would that be possible. We need a full gun amnesty across the whole USA x |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Some interesting stuff there and it’s tough
Obviously both political parties have different agendas, main media is divided so they have there agendas and the same goes for the majority of voters are the same.
Personally I try and look at both sides but is sometimes difficult to get the truth on most topics.
Think the states need to work together a lot more on housing, infrastructure immigration, guns etc but both sides won’t help the other
Ah but different states have different laws how would that be possible. We need a full gun amnesty across the whole USA x"
gun amnesty won't happen (2nd amendement that bird flew years ago)
you could try a federal "buyback" scheme.... and then bring in assault rifle laws in line with machine gun laws (the law that basically got rid of machine guns for civilians is so restrictive that anyone who held onto them after that law was changed can't really use them... so you were better off handing them in using the buyback)
but it is the common sense laws that where they are "90-10" issues you can't get past for influence of republican and NRA
for example.... banning extended magazine rounds (the shooter in Dayton apparently had 2 100 clip ammo rounds)
limiting the type of guns out there....(there is no civilian need for example for an AR15, or an AK 47.....)
Background law checks......exteding the time needed an search parameters required...
increasing age limits... for example, you had to be 21 in florida to get a shotgun for home protection, but 18 for Assault Rifles in national law.....
there as simple bills that could go tomorrow if the republicans wquld let them thru.... HR8, which was passed on a bi-partisan basis in House, but the republican leader in the Senate won't allow it to be voted on.... |
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"Some interesting stuff there and it’s tough
Obviously both political parties have different agendas, main media is divided so they have there agendas and the same goes for the majority of voters are the same.
Personally I try and look at both sides but is sometimes difficult to get the truth on most topics.
Think the states need to work together a lot more on housing, infrastructure immigration, guns etc but both sides won’t help the other
Ah but different states have different laws how would that be possible. We need a full gun amnesty across the whole USA x
gun amnesty won't happen (2nd amendement that bird flew years ago)
you could try a federal "buyback" scheme.... and then bring in assault rifle laws in line with machine gun laws (the law that basically got rid of machine guns for civilians is so restrictive that anyone who held onto them after that law was changed can't really use them... so you were better off handing them in using the buyback)
but it is the common sense laws that where they are "90-10" issues you can't get past for influence of republican and NRA
for example.... banning extended magazine rounds (the shooter in Dayton apparently had 2 100 clip ammo rounds)
limiting the type of guns out there....(there is no civilian need for example for an AR15, or an AK 47.....)
Background law checks......exteding the time needed an search parameters required...
increasing age limits... for example, you had to be 21 in florida to get a shotgun for home protection, but 18 for Assault Rifles in national law.....
there as simple bills that could go tomorrow if the republicans wquld let them thru.... HR8, which was passed on a bi-partisan basis in House, but the republican leader in the Senate won't allow it to be voted on...."
Good evening mr lemon, I hope your well
Well I will give you credit you certainly have thick skin my friend
And I know your fragile and paranoid so I’m just confirming it is me ok don |
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"i was replying to shazza about a full nationwide ban
I'm done talking to you"
I do not know how to reply to you. I don't think the USA will ever learn how much blood will they shed and do the government even care. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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I do not know how to reply to you. I don't think the USA will ever learn how much blood will they shed and do the government even care. "
don't worry I'll delete the bits that don't relate...
the irony is that there was a ban on the types of weapons that are most commonly used in these mass shootings.... they were banned in 1994 as part of the Crime bill, under clinton but because it had a 10 year "sunset clause" in it... the republicans who were in control under bush 43 let it lapse....
the problem is too many republicans are beholden to funding for campaign donations from the NRA, who in turn get the majority of their funding from gun manufacturers...
so any conversation that starts with "gun control" immediately becomes "they are coming for all your guns......"
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The answer is mixed messaging, you need to keep gun owners at ease by saying we're not coming for your guns, we've not got anything against sane normal people owning guns while introducing stricter gun control on the fringe element, even gun owners when polled think it's a good idea, alas the two sides are so polarised neither are willing to bend and in reality Fabio is half right when he says the republicans don't want gun banning, alas he doesn't tell you that the democrats aren't willing to bend on banning guns either, so you get liberal socialist democrats like Sanders who are for sensible gun control on the fringes while you also get liberal republicans who favour gun control on the fringes.
To say it's just republicans is so stupid it's beyond stupid and really shows up his bias.
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A longtime friend of the Ohio gunman bought the body armor, a 100-round magazine and a gun accessory used to kill nine people, but there's no indication that the man knew that his friend was planning a mass shooting, federal agents said Monday. Ethan Kollie told investigators just hours after the shooting that he bought the equipment and kept it at his apartment so the 24-year-old shooter's parents would not find it, according to a court document.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/dayton-ohio-shooting-shooters-friend-body-armor-100-round-magazine-today-2019-08-12/ |
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