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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Within the next few weeks it is looking more and more lightly that the tories will lose their majority in the House of Commons, with bi elections and MPs talking of defecting.
What is the point of having a government that in effect can't do anything without permission from the opposition. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Within the next few weeks it is looking more and more lightly that the tories will lose their majority in the House of Commons, with bi elections and MPs talking of defecting.
What is the point of having a government that in effect can't do anything without permission from the opposition. "
The Conservatives haven't been able to do what they want even with a majority anyway  |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Within the next few weeks it is looking more and more lightly that the tories will lose their majority in the House of Commons, with bi elections and MPs talking of defecting.
What is the point of having a government that in effect can't do anything without permission from the opposition.
The Conservatives haven't been able to do what they want even with a majority anyway "
Infiltrated by UKIP and the Brexit Party. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
if the lib dems win tonight the tory/dup majority becomes 1......
and there is talk of some tory mps defecting to the lib dems... so even arlene and her god squad may not be able to save them.... |
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Interestingly the LibDems have massively played down Brexit in their campaigning.
No "bollocks to Brexit" on any leaflets and no mention of at all of leaving the EU.
Campaigning on local issues - health and social care and delivering for farmers...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Interestingly the LibDems have massively played down Brexit in their campaigning.
No "bollocks to Brexit" on any leaflets and no mention of at all of leaving the EU.
Campaigning on local issues - health and social care and delivering for farmers...
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Probably wise (for them) considering that Wales voted to leave.
I think that we are inevitably heading for a general election.
If brexit is not delivered by 31st Oct then the Tories are finished.
If it is, then they may actually see an increase in support.
If I were Boris, I'd be quietly preparing for a mid November election - Announcing it after the summer recess, dissolving parliament - and thus preventing MP's from further frustrating brexit.
And of course, that would see minimum objection from Corbyn because an election is all he's bothered about - never mind the fact that Labour will be wiped out.
Of course, if we're out by the time an election is called, Boris will have countered the Brexit Party threat and thoroughly spanked Labour.
Job done I'd say. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Interestingly the LibDems have massively played down Brexit in their campaigning.
No "bollocks to Brexit" on any leaflets and no mention of at all of leaving the EU.
Campaigning on local issues - health and social care and delivering for farmers...
Probably wise (for them) considering that Wales voted to leave.
I think that we are inevitably heading for a general election.
If brexit is not delivered by 31st Oct then the Tories are finished.
If it is, then they may actually see an increase in support.
If I were Boris, I'd be quietly preparing for a mid November election - Announcing it after the summer recess, dissolving parliament - and thus preventing MP's from further frustrating brexit.
And of course, that would see minimum objection from Corbyn because an election is all he's bothered about - never mind the fact that Labour will be wiped out.
Of course, if we're out by the time an election is called, Boris will have countered the Brexit Party threat and thoroughly spanked Labour.
Job done I'd say."
Yep i said the same if he calls an election after the party conferences parliament gets dissolved and we will be out on the 31st oct before the elections in November.Promise fulfilled. |
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"Interestingly the LibDems have massively played down Brexit in their campaigning.
No "bollocks to Brexit" on any leaflets and no mention of at all of leaving the EU.
Campaigning on local issues - health and social care and delivering for farmers...
Probably wise (for them) considering that Wales voted to leave.
I think that we are inevitably heading for a general election.
If brexit is not delivered by 31st Oct then the Tories are finished.
If it is, then they may actually see an increase in support.
If I were Boris, I'd be quietly preparing for a mid November election - Announcing it after the summer recess, dissolving parliament - and thus preventing MP's from further frustrating brexit.
And of course, that would see minimum objection from Corbyn because an election is all he's bothered about - never mind the fact that Labour will be wiped out.
Of course, if we're out by the time an election is called, Boris will have countered the Brexit Party threat and thoroughly spanked Labour.
Job done I'd say.Yep i said the same if he calls an election after the party conferences parliament gets dissolved and we will be out on the 31st oct before the elections in November.Promise fulfilled. "
It'll never happen. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Interestingly the LibDems have massively played down Brexit in their campaigning.
No "bollocks to Brexit" on any leaflets and no mention of at all of leaving the EU.
Campaigning on local issues - health and social care and delivering for farmers...
Probably wise (for them) considering that Wales voted to leave.
I think that we are inevitably heading for a general election.
If brexit is not delivered by 31st Oct then the Tories are finished.
If it is, then they may actually see an increase in support.
If I were Boris, I'd be quietly preparing for a mid November election - Announcing it after the summer recess, dissolving parliament - and thus preventing MP's from further frustrating brexit.
And of course, that would see minimum objection from Corbyn because an election is all he's bothered about - never mind the fact that Labour will be wiped out.
Of course, if we're out by the time an election is called, Boris will have countered the Brexit Party threat and thoroughly spanked Labour.
Job done I'd say.Yep i said the same if he calls an election after the party conferences parliament gets dissolved and we will be out on the 31st oct before the elections in November.Promise fulfilled.
It'll never happen."
We will see.  Unless they find a way to change the law we are out mate. |
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"Interestingly the LibDems have massively played down Brexit in their campaigning.
No "bollocks to Brexit" on any leaflets and no mention of at all of leaving the EU.
Campaigning on local issues - health and social care and delivering for farmers...
Probably wise (for them) considering that Wales voted to leave.
I think that we are inevitably heading for a general election.
If brexit is not delivered by 31st Oct then the Tories are finished.
If it is, then they may actually see an increase in support.
If I were Boris, I'd be quietly preparing for a mid November election - Announcing it after the summer recess, dissolving parliament - and thus preventing MP's from further frustrating brexit.
And of course, that would see minimum objection from Corbyn because an election is all he's bothered about - never mind the fact that Labour will be wiped out.
Of course, if we're out by the time an election is called, Boris will have countered the Brexit Party threat and thoroughly spanked Labour.
Job done I'd say.Yep i said the same if he calls an election after the party conferences parliament gets dissolved and we will be out on the 31st oct before the elections in November.Promise fulfilled.
It'll never happen.We will see. Unless they find a way to change the law we are out mate."
That was said in March. After which Centy the Smug left the forum and returned as Centy the Embaressed.
The Government could have no majority within days.
Even if by the remotest chance parliament is shut down the courts won't be.
You're dreaming, sold a unicorn by a buffoon.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Interestingly the LibDems have massively played down Brexit in their campaigning.
No "bollocks to Brexit" on any leaflets and no mention of at all of leaving the EU.
Campaigning on local issues - health and social care and delivering for farmers...
Probably wise (for them) considering that Wales voted to leave.
I think that we are inevitably heading for a general election.
If brexit is not delivered by 31st Oct then the Tories are finished.
If it is, then they may actually see an increase in support.
If I were Boris, I'd be quietly preparing for a mid November election - Announcing it after the summer recess, dissolving parliament - and thus preventing MP's from further frustrating brexit.
And of course, that would see minimum objection from Corbyn because an election is all he's bothered about - never mind the fact that Labour will be wiped out.
Of course, if we're out by the time an election is called, Boris will have countered the Brexit Party threat and thoroughly spanked Labour.
Job done I'd say.Yep i said the same if he calls an election after the party conferences parliament gets dissolved and we will be out on the 31st oct before the elections in November.Promise fulfilled.
It'll never happen.We will see. Unless they find a way to change the law we are out mate.
That was said in March. After which Centy the Smug left the forum and returned as Centy the Embaressed.
The Government could have no majority within days.
Even if by the remotest chance parliament is shut down the courts won't be.
You're dreaming, sold a unicorn by a buffoon.
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So how do you propose to get the eu to extend again !st the pm has to ask them 2nd they have said they will not extend again . |
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"Interestingly the LibDems have massively played down Brexit in their campaigning.
No "bollocks to Brexit" on any leaflets and no mention of at all of leaving the EU.
Campaigning on local issues - health and social care and delivering for farmers...
Probably wise (for them) considering that Wales voted to leave.
I think that we are inevitably heading for a general election.
If brexit is not delivered by 31st Oct then the Tories are finished.
If it is, then they may actually see an increase in support.
If I were Boris, I'd be quietly preparing for a mid November election - Announcing it after the summer recess, dissolving parliament - and thus preventing MP's from further frustrating brexit.
And of course, that would see minimum objection from Corbyn because an election is all he's bothered about - never mind the fact that Labour will be wiped out.
Of course, if we're out by the time an election is called, Boris will have countered the Brexit Party threat and thoroughly spanked Labour.
Job done I'd say.Yep i said the same if he calls an election after the party conferences parliament gets dissolved and we will be out on the 31st oct before the elections in November.Promise fulfilled.
It'll never happen.We will see. Unless they find a way to change the law we are out mate.
That was said in March. After which Centy the Smug left the forum and returned as Centy the Embaressed.
The Government could have no majority within days.
Even if by the remotest chance parliament is shut down the courts won't be.
You're dreaming, sold a unicorn by a buffoon.
So how do you propose to get the eu to extend again !st the pm has to ask them 2nd they have said they will not extend again ."
They'll extend for a general election or another referendum in a heartbeat. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Interestingly the LibDems have massively played down Brexit in their campaigning.
No "bollocks to Brexit" on any leaflets and no mention of at all of leaving the EU.
Campaigning on local issues - health and social care and delivering for farmers...
Probably wise (for them) considering that Wales voted to leave.
I think that we are inevitably heading for a general election.
If brexit is not delivered by 31st Oct then the Tories are finished.
If it is, then they may actually see an increase in support.
If I were Boris, I'd be quietly preparing for a mid November election - Announcing it after the summer recess, dissolving parliament - and thus preventing MP's from further frustrating brexit.
And of course, that would see minimum objection from Corbyn because an election is all he's bothered about - never mind the fact that Labour will be wiped out.
Of course, if we're out by the time an election is called, Boris will have countered the Brexit Party threat and thoroughly spanked Labour.
Job done I'd say.Yep i said the same if he calls an election after the party conferences parliament gets dissolved and we will be out on the 31st oct before the elections in November.Promise fulfilled.
It'll never happen.We will see. Unless they find a way to change the law we are out mate.
That was said in March. After which Centy the Smug left the forum and returned as Centy the Embaressed.
The Government could have no majority within days.
Even if by the remotest chance parliament is shut down the courts won't be.
You're dreaming, sold a unicorn by a buffoon.
So how do you propose to get the eu to extend again !st the pm has to ask them 2nd they have said they will not extend again .
They'll extend for a general election or another referendum in a heartbeat."
Only the pm can call for a GE and he certainly wont call for a 3rd referendum. |
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"Interestingly the LibDems have massively played down Brexit in their campaigning.
No "bollocks to Brexit" on any leaflets and no mention of at all of leaving the EU.
Campaigning on local issues - health and social care and delivering for farmers...
Probably wise (for them) considering that Wales voted to leave.
I think that we are inevitably heading for a general election.
If brexit is not delivered by 31st Oct then the Tories are finished.
If it is, then they may actually see an increase in support.
If I were Boris, I'd be quietly preparing for a mid November election - Announcing it after the summer recess, dissolving parliament - and thus preventing MP's from further frustrating brexit.
And of course, that would see minimum objection from Corbyn because an election is all he's bothered about - never mind the fact that Labour will be wiped out.
Of course, if we're out by the time an election is called, Boris will have countered the Brexit Party threat and thoroughly spanked Labour.
Job done I'd say.Yep i said the same if he calls an election after the party conferences parliament gets dissolved and we will be out on the 31st oct before the elections in November.Promise fulfilled.
It'll never happen.We will see. Unless they find a way to change the law we are out mate.
That was said in March. After which Centy the Smug left the forum and returned as Centy the Embaressed.
The Government could have no majority within days.
Even if by the remotest chance parliament is shut down the courts won't be.
You're dreaming, sold a unicorn by a buffoon.
So how do you propose to get the eu to extend again !st the pm has to ask them 2nd they have said they will not extend again .
They'll extend for a general election or another referendum in a heartbeat.Only the pm can call for a GE and he certainly wont call for a 3rd referendum."
Ha. [Facepalm]. That's not how it works. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Interestingly the LibDems have massively played down Brexit in their campaigning.
No "bollocks to Brexit" on any leaflets and no mention of at all of leaving the EU.
Campaigning on local issues - health and social care and delivering for farmers...
Probably wise (for them) considering that Wales voted to leave.
I think that we are inevitably heading for a general election.
If brexit is not delivered by 31st Oct then the Tories are finished.
If it is, then they may actually see an increase in support.
If I were Boris, I'd be quietly preparing for a mid November election - Announcing it after the summer recess, dissolving parliament - and thus preventing MP's from further frustrating brexit.
And of course, that would see minimum objection from Corbyn because an election is all he's bothered about - never mind the fact that Labour will be wiped out.
Of course, if we're out by the time an election is called, Boris will have countered the Brexit Party threat and thoroughly spanked Labour.
Job done I'd say.Yep i said the same if he calls an election after the party conferences parliament gets dissolved and we will be out on the 31st oct before the elections in November.Promise fulfilled.
It'll never happen.We will see. Unless they find a way to change the law we are out mate.
That was said in March. After which Centy the Smug left the forum and returned as Centy the Embaressed.
The Government could have no majority within days.
Even if by the remotest chance parliament is shut down the courts won't be.
You're dreaming, sold a unicorn by a buffoon.
So how do you propose to get the eu to extend again !st the pm has to ask them 2nd they have said they will not extend again .
They'll extend for a general election or another referendum in a heartbeat.Only the pm can call for a GE and he certainly wont call for a 3rd referendum.
Ha. [Facepalm]. That's not how it works. "
oh yes it is. |
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"Interestingly the LibDems have massively played down Brexit in their campaigning.
No "bollocks to Brexit" on any leaflets and no mention of at all of leaving the EU.
Campaigning on local issues - health and social care and delivering for farmers...
Probably wise (for them) considering that Wales voted to leave.
I think that we are inevitably heading for a general election.
If brexit is not delivered by 31st Oct then the Tories are finished.
If it is, then they may actually see an increase in support.
If I were Boris, I'd be quietly preparing for a mid November election - Announcing it after the summer recess, dissolving parliament - and thus preventing MP's from further frustrating brexit.
And of course, that would see minimum objection from Corbyn because an election is all he's bothered about - never mind the fact that Labour will be wiped out.
Of course, if we're out by the time an election is called, Boris will have countered the Brexit Party threat and thoroughly spanked Labour.
Job done I'd say.Yep i said the same if he calls an election after the party conferences parliament gets dissolved and we will be out on the 31st oct before the elections in November.Promise fulfilled.
It'll never happen.We will see. Unless they find a way to change the law we are out mate.
That was said in March. After which Centy the Smug left the forum and returned as Centy the Embaressed.
The Government could have no majority within days.
Even if by the remotest chance parliament is shut down the courts won't be.
You're dreaming, sold a unicorn by a buffoon.
So how do you propose to get the eu to extend again !st the pm has to ask them 2nd they have said they will not extend again .
They'll extend for a general election or another referendum in a heartbeat.Only the pm can call for a GE and he certainly wont call for a 3rd referendum.
Ha. [Facepalm]. That's not how it works. oh yes it is."
From www.parliament.uk
"The Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 provides for general elections to be held on the first Thursday in May every five years. There are two provisions that trigger an election other than at five-year intervals:
- A motion of no confidence is passed in Her Majesty's Government by a simple majority and 14 days elapses without the House passing a confidence motion in any new Government formed
- A motion for a general election is agreed by two thirds of the total number of seats in the Commons including vacant seats (currently 434 out of 650)"
Not once does this mention the PM. Do you want me to demonstrate how you're wrong on your other point too? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Interestingly the LibDems have massively played down Brexit in their campaigning.
No "bollocks to Brexit" on any leaflets and no mention of at all of leaving the EU.
Campaigning on local issues - health and social care and delivering for farmers...
Probably wise (for them) considering that Wales voted to leave.
I think that we are inevitably heading for a general election.
If brexit is not delivered by 31st Oct then the Tories are finished.
If it is, then they may actually see an increase in support.
If I were Boris, I'd be quietly preparing for a mid November election - Announcing it after the summer recess, dissolving parliament - and thus preventing MP's from further frustrating brexit.
And of course, that would see minimum objection from Corbyn because an election is all he's bothered about - never mind the fact that Labour will be wiped out.
Of course, if we're out by the time an election is called, Boris will have countered the Brexit Party threat and thoroughly spanked Labour.
Job done I'd say.Yep i said the same if he calls an election after the party conferences parliament gets dissolved and we will be out on the 31st oct before the elections in November.Promise fulfilled.
It'll never happen.We will see. Unless they find a way to change the law we are out mate.
That was said in March. After which Centy the Smug left the forum and returned as Centy the Embaressed.
The Government could have no majority within days.
Even if by the remotest chance parliament is shut down the courts won't be.
You're dreaming, sold a unicorn by a buffoon.
So how do you propose to get the eu to extend again !st the pm has to ask them 2nd they have said they will not extend again .
They'll extend for a general election or another referendum in a heartbeat.Only the pm can call for a GE and he certainly wont call for a 3rd referendum.
Ha. [Facepalm]. That's not how it works. oh yes it is.
From www.parliament.uk
"The Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 provides for general elections to be held on the first Thursday in May every five years. There are two provisions that trigger an election other than at five-year intervals:
- A motion of no confidence is passed in Her Majesty's Government by a simple majority and 14 days elapses without the House passing a confidence motion in any new Government formed
- A motion for a general election is agreed by two thirds of the total number of seats in the Commons including vacant seats (currently 434 out of 650)"
Not once does this mention the PM. Do you want me to demonstrate how you're wrong on your other point too?"
I was waiting for that.A motion of no confidence he then has 14 days to fuck around after that a GE which kills another 6 weeks and we are out before the election exactly what i said about an hour ago but glad you have finally agreed.goodnight. |
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"Interestingly the LibDems have massively played down Brexit in their campaigning.
No "bollocks to Brexit" on any leaflets and no mention of at all of leaving the EU.
Campaigning on local issues - health and social care and delivering for farmers...
Probably wise (for them) considering that Wales voted to leave.
I think that we are inevitably heading for a general election.
If brexit is not delivered by 31st Oct then the Tories are finished.
If it is, then they may actually see an increase in support.
If I were Boris, I'd be quietly preparing for a mid November election - Announcing it after the summer recess, dissolving parliament - and thus preventing MP's from further frustrating brexit.
And of course, that would see minimum objection from Corbyn because an election is all he's bothered about - never mind the fact that Labour will be wiped out.
Of course, if we're out by the time an election is called, Boris will have countered the Brexit Party threat and thoroughly spanked Labour.
Job done I'd say.Yep i said the same if he calls an election after the party conferences parliament gets dissolved and we will be out on the 31st oct before the elections in November.Promise fulfilled.
It'll never happen.We will see. Unless they find a way to change the law we are out mate.
That was said in March. After which Centy the Smug left the forum and returned as Centy the Embaressed.
The Government could have no majority within days.
Even if by the remotest chance parliament is shut down the courts won't be.
You're dreaming, sold a unicorn by a buffoon.
So how do you propose to get the eu to extend again !st the pm has to ask them 2nd they have said they will not extend again .
They'll extend for a general election or another referendum in a heartbeat.Only the pm can call for a GE and he certainly wont call for a 3rd referendum.
Ha. [Facepalm]. That's not how it works. oh yes it is.
From www.parliament.uk
"The Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 provides for general elections to be held on the first Thursday in May every five years. There are two provisions that trigger an election other than at five-year intervals:
- A motion of no confidence is passed in Her Majesty's Government by a simple majority and 14 days elapses without the House passing a confidence motion in any new Government formed
- A motion for a general election is agreed by two thirds of the total number of seats in the Commons including vacant seats (currently 434 out of 650)"
Not once does this mention the PM. Do you want me to demonstrate how you're wrong on your other point too?I was waiting for that.A motion of no confidence he then has 14 days to fuck around after that a GE which kills another 6 weeks and we are out before the election exactly what i said about an hour ago but glad you have finally agreed.goodnight."
If Parliament passes a no confidence motion then he certainly doesn't get to "fuck around" for 14 days. And Parliament also isn't about to call a GE and "forget" to delay departure.
You need a nap.
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"Interestingly the LibDems have massively played down Brexit in their campaigning.
No "bollocks to Brexit" on any leaflets and no mention of at all of leaving the EU.
Campaigning on local issues - health and social care and delivering for farmers...
Probably wise (for them) considering that Wales voted to leave.
I think that we are inevitably heading for a general election.
If brexit is not delivered by 31st Oct then the Tories are finished.
If it is, then they may actually see an increase in support.
If I were Boris, I'd be quietly preparing for a mid November election - Announcing it after the summer recess, dissolving parliament - and thus preventing MP's from further frustrating brexit.
And of course, that would see minimum objection from Corbyn because an election is all he's bothered about - never mind the fact that Labour will be wiped out.
Of course, if we're out by the time an election is called, Boris will have countered the Brexit Party threat and thoroughly spanked Labour.
Job done I'd say.Yep i said the same if he calls an election after the party conferences parliament gets dissolved and we will be out on the 31st oct before the elections in November.Promise fulfilled.
It'll never happen.We will see. Unless they find a way to change the law we are out mate.
That was said in March. After which Centy the Smug left the forum and returned as Centy the Embaressed.
The Government could have no majority within days.
Even if by the remotest chance parliament is shut down the courts won't be.
You're dreaming, sold a unicorn by a buffoon.
So how do you propose to get the eu to extend again !st the pm has to ask them 2nd they have said they will not extend again .
They'll extend for a general election or another referendum in a heartbeat.Only the pm can call for a GE and he certainly wont call for a 3rd referendum.
Ha. [Facepalm]. That's not how it works. oh yes it is.
From www.parliament.uk
"The Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 provides for general elections to be held on the first Thursday in May every five years. There are two provisions that trigger an election other than at five-year intervals:
- A motion of no confidence is passed in Her Majesty's Government by a simple majority and 14 days elapses without the House passing a confidence motion in any new Government formed
- A motion for a general election is agreed by two thirds of the total number of seats in the Commons including vacant seats (currently 434 out of 650)"
Not once does this mention the PM. Do you want me to demonstrate how you're wrong on your other point too?I was waiting for that.A motion of no confidence he then has 14 days to fuck around after that a GE which kills another 6 weeks and we are out before the election exactly what i said about an hour ago but glad you have finally agreed.goodnight."
After a successful vote of no confidence there is a period of 14 days to gain a vote of confidence in the same or a changed government . If that is not found after 14 days - a general election is required.
Parliamentary session is closed .
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Yep i said the same if he calls an election after the party conferences parliament gets dissolved and we will be out on the 31st oct before the elections in November.Promise fulfilled. "
if the vote of no confidence is in the first week they come back from recess, which is the first week of september, then actually there is enough time where the general election would be on Oct 24th.......
so slow those horses......
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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After a successful vote of no confidence there is a period of 14 days to gain a vote of confidence in the same or a changed government . If that is not found after 14 days - a general election is required.
Parliamentary session is closed .
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and then you have to have 35 days of campaigning.........
which is why i would circle that october 24th date.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The whole thing is a total shambles,disgrace and embarrassment to the country. Party's and The House so divided nobody is fit or capable of running the country nevermind delivering on what the majority of the country voted for on brexit. Democracy is the loser in this country |
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After a successful vote of no confidence there is a period of 14 days to gain a vote of confidence in the same or a changed government . If that is not found after 14 days - a general election is required.
Parliamentary session is closed .
and then you have to have 35 days of campaigning.........
which is why i would circle that october 24th date...."
I’ve got the 20th circled (winner pool a Scotland playing South Africa ) |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"The whole thing is a total shambles,disgrace and embarrassment to the country. Party's and The House so divided nobody is fit or capable of running the country nevermind delivering on what the majority of the country voted for on brexit. Democracy is the loser in this country"
The Conservative Party has the opportunity to do what was right for the country quickly and decisively after the referendum. The vote was split with a narrow leave majority meaning that something had to change - but not too much.
They should have appointed a cross Party Brexit committee tasked with taking the EU out of the political structure and remained in the Customs Union and Single Market and committed to a further referendum in ten years time to assess future options then.
This would have delivered Brexit according to the referendum mandate and would have protected the economy and the status of the country across the world. We would have been seen as being decisive and pragmatic - which is exactly how it should be.
Instead, Theresa May and the Conservative Party decides to make Brexit all about them. I am fairly convinced that history will show this to have been a catastrophic decision on their part and it will ultimately consign them to a while in opposition and a legacy of the Party that started the breakup of the United Kingdom and the Party who accidentally (and fatally for themselves) brought about the end of two Party politics, |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
".A motion of no confidence he then has 14 days to fuck around after that a GE which kills another 6 weeks and we are out before the election exactly what i said about an hour ago but glad you have finally agreed.goodnight."
The reason there is a 14-day period is so that Parliament can find out if anyone else can form a majority.
It is quite conceivable a majority coalition is formed in that 14 days with one single purpose - to head off a bad Brexit - before it and parliament dissolves.
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"Interestingly the LibDems have massively played down Brexit in their campaigning.
No "bollocks to Brexit" on any leaflets and no mention of at all of leaving the EU.
Campaigning on local issues - health and social care and delivering for farmers...
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Possibly the only major party now that acknowledges there's more to life than Brexit. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Yep i said the same if he calls an election after the party conferences parliament gets dissolved and we will be out on the 31st oct before the elections in November.Promise fulfilled.
if the vote of no confidence is in the first week they come back from recess, which is the first week of september, then actually there is enough time where the general election would be on Oct 24th.......
so slow those horses......
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You forget there is a recess for party conferences to determine their manifestos.Corbyn needs momentum to tell him what he stands for. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Corbyn letter to Labour supporters:
"Whoever becomes the new prime minister should have the confidence to put their deal, or no deal, back to the people in a public vote. In those circumstances, I want to make it clear that Labour would campaign for Remain against either no-deal or a Tory deal that does not protect the economy and jobs.’"
Will this be their manifesto policy?
Or will they still pursue exiting the EU to join a customs union?
I am confused.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Corbyn letter to Labour supporters:
"Whoever becomes the new prime minister should have the confidence to put their deal, or no deal, back to the people in a public vote. In those circumstances, I want to make it clear that Labour would campaign for Remain against either no-deal or a Tory deal that does not protect the economy and jobs.’"
Will this be their manifesto policy?
Or will they still pursue exiting the EU to join a customs union?
I am confused.
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He will wait for the conference in september then support remain even though he doesn't personally.It will be the only way that he can hold on as leader as most of his cabinet seem to be going that way.He will say we are a democratic party and the members decide the policies so as not to been seen as a weak leader.Labour will not call a vote of no confidence in the government before they have officially changed to remain as it will be a total disaster in the polls after being beaten into 4th place last night.Once they do this that will split the remain vote as cant see them going the way of plaid or the greens and standing down for the lib/dems. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The whole thing is a total shambles,disgrace and embarrassment to the country. Party's and The House so divided nobody is fit or capable of running the country nevermind delivering on what the majority of the country voted for on brexit. Democracy is the loser in this country
The Conservative Party has the opportunity to do what was right for the country quickly and decisively after the referendum. The vote was split with a narrow leave majority meaning that something had to change - but not too much.
They should have appointed a cross Party Brexit committee tasked with taking the EU out of the political structure and remained in the Customs Union and Single Market and committed to a further referendum in ten years time to assess future options then.
This would have delivered Brexit according to the referendum mandate and would have protected the economy and the status of the country across the world. We would have been seen as being decisive and pragmatic - which is exactly how it should be.
Instead, Theresa May and the Conservative Party decides to make Brexit all about them. I am fairly convinced that history will show this to have been a catastrophic decision on their part and it will ultimately consign them to a while in opposition and a legacy of the Party that started the breakup of the United Kingdom and the Party who accidentally (and fatally for themselves) brought about the end of two Party politics,"
A cross party strategy was actually in the Leave.eu campaign manifesto.
Didn't get it though. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Within the next few weeks it is looking more and more lightly that the tories will lose their majority in the House of Commons, with bi elections and MPs talking of defecting.
What is the point of having a government that in effect can't do anything without permission from the opposition. "
This is now about the survival of the Conservative party.
It's nothing to do with what's good for the country. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
On the one hand, Corbyn says Labour policy is to replace membership of the EU with membership of the customs union.
On the other, Corbyn says they will campaign to remain a member of the EU in the event of a referendum on the terms of Johnson's proposed exit.
I understand it is a delicate balancing act. But politics is all about communication - and that is virtually impossible to communicate succinctly. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Within the next few weeks it is looking more and more lightly that the tories will lose their majority in the House of Commons, with bi elections and MPs talking of defecting.
What is the point of having a government that in effect can't do anything without permission from the opposition.
This is now about the survival of the Conservative party.
It's nothing to do with what's good for the country."
I would say its more about the survival of the labour party after last night. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Within the next few weeks it is looking more and more lightly that the tories will lose their majority in the House of Commons, with bi elections and MPs talking of defecting.
What is the point of having a government that in effect can't do anything without permission from the opposition.
This is now about the survival of the Conservative party.
It's nothing to do with what's good for the country.I would say its more about the survival of the labour party after last night."
The OP is not about the point of the opposition.
It's about the point of a minority government clinging to what little "power" it has. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Within the next few weeks it is looking more and more lightly that the tories will lose their majority in the House of Commons, with bi elections and MPs talking of defecting.
What is the point of having a government that in effect can't do anything without permission from the opposition.
This is now about the survival of the Conservative party.
It's nothing to do with what's good for the country.I would say its more about the survival of the labour party after last night.
The OP is not about the point of the opposition.
It's about the point of a minority government clinging to what little "power" it has."
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Interesting to see the Greens and PC being able to put the national interest before party interest, and stepping aside to give the Remain candidate a clear run.
I wonder if that is a foretaste of a general election strategy?
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Interesting to see the Greens and PC being able to put the national interest before party interest, and stepping aside to give the Remain candidate a clear run.
I wonder if that is a foretaste of a general election strategy?
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Depends how you look at it i suppose im not sure i would be happy if the party i wanted to vote for stood down to let another party whos policies i might not like have a free run.Would like to know any green party supporters views on it. |
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"Interesting to see the Greens and PC being able to put the national interest before party interest, and stepping aside to give the Remain candidate a clear run.
I wonder if that is a foretaste of a general election strategy?
Depends how you look at it i suppose im not sure i would be happy if the party i wanted to vote for stood down to let another party whos policies i might not like have a free run.Would like to know any green party supporters views on it.
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Seems pretty sensible actually. If as a voter there is a pressing outcome I want, and the parties representing this view cooperate to deliver it. I'm happy.
Looking at the numbers, if the Brexit party and Tories had made a similar agreement, the seat would probably have been held. |
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"Interesting to see the Greens and PC being able to put the national interest before party interest, and stepping aside to give the Remain candidate a clear run.
I wonder if that is a foretaste of a general election strategy?
Depends how you look at it i suppose im not sure i would be happy if the party i wanted to vote for stood down to let another party whos policies i might not like have a free run.Would like to know any green party supporters views on it."
Given the only thing on the agenda in the short term is Brexit, it mak3s sense to me. I suspect their decision would be different if there was a full 5 years of parliament ahead... |
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"Interesting to see the Greens and PC being able to put the national interest before party interest, and stepping aside to give the Remain candidate a clear run.
I wonder if that is a foretaste of a general election strategy?
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I dont think the LIbDems could avoid mentioning Brexit in a GE campaign.
A strategically won by-election... GE would be different. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
Just having a chat about this. Unless by some feat there is a GE and all parties get a serious shake up. Mr Farage looks like he and his Brexit party in the EU are going to objecting and taking a salary and there's little they can do? Bet he's laughing his arse off. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"
Looking at the numbers, if the Brexit party and Tories had made a similar agreement, the seat would probably have been held. "
The Conservative and Unionist (sic) Party may be the Brexit Party in all but name.
But a formal agreement between the two would cause meltdown in the Conservative Party. There would be an exodus of moderate MPs, probably to the Lib Dems. |
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"Will Farage and his chums get their severance pay, pensions etc., if UK leaves without settling its debts"
I would expect so.
Of course being so principled they may all refuse to take any payments after we leave.
Yea right! |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
"Will Farage and his chums get their severance pay, pensions etc., if UK leaves without settling its debts?
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I can't see how with a majority of one, no-deal will get through the house (if it was ever going to), it has been voted down consistently. Even though the Brexit party beat Labour in the by-election, unless a GE is called and the Brexit party increases to vote themselves out, the likelihood for no-deal is pretty much obsolete. Farage is sitting pretty for 5yrs is it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just having a chat about this. Unless by some feat there is a GE and all parties get a serious shake up. Mr Farage looks like he and his Brexit party in the EU are going to objecting and taking a salary and there's little they can do? Bet he's laughing his arse off. "
Of corse he is, Farage has manoeuvred himself into a position where he will get paid from someone no matter what happens.
I just bet there is a clause in his contract that even if he got fired he will still get paid up, just like these football managers/footballers the and other over paid twats!!! |
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"How will moderate Conservative MPs feel about standing on a manifesto that pledges a No-Deal exit?
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But if you go to any negotiation with no option of walking away you have lost before you have sat down, so the UK is fucked no matter what |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Interesting to see the Greens and PC being able to put the national interest before party interest, and stepping aside to give the Remain candidate a clear run.
I wonder if that is a foretaste of a general election strategy?
Depends how you look at it i suppose im not sure i would be happy if the party i wanted to vote for stood down to let another party whos policies i might not like have a free run.Would like to know any green party supporters views on it.
Given the only thing on the agenda in the short term is Brexit, it mak3s sense to me. I suspect their decision would be different if there was a full 5 years of parliament ahead... "
Yes totally agree it would be different in a GE,i would be a bit worried if i was the lib/dems and even more worried if i was labour i can see them being the 3rd party after the next election.How often in the past has the party in charge won a by election after being in power for so long not many |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"How will moderate Conservative MPs feel about standing on a manifesto that pledges a No-Deal exit?
But if you go to any negotiation with no option of walking away you have lost before you have sat down, so the UK is fucked no matter what"
When it is a negotiation of equals. This has never been a negotiation of equals.
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The OP is not about the point of the opposition.
It's about the point of a minority government clinging to what little "power" it has."
£1.5 billion for a working majority of one...
The Art of the Deal™ |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
"How will moderate Conservative MPs feel about standing on a manifesto that pledges a No-Deal exit?
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. If I heard him correctly ( and I think I did ) , on TV last week ( I think the Robert Preston show ) , Rory Stewart said he would not be able to support a manifesto backing a no deal Brexit |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"How will moderate Conservative MPs feel about standing on a manifesto that pledges a No-Deal exit?
. If I heard him correctly ( and I think I did ) , on TV last week ( I think the Robert Preston show ) , Rory Stewart said he would not be able to support a manifesto backing a no deal Brexit "
Add Dominic Grieve and Justine Greening to him.
The only thing you can rely on with the current Parliamentary arithmetic, is more paralysis. |
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"... and even more worried if i was labour i can see them being the 3rd party after the next election."
You think they'll get fewer seats than the SNP, who currently have 35 MPs to the LibDems' 13 - and actually are the 3rd largest Party in the UK Parliament?
Sorry to burst your Little Englander maths. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"... and even more worried if i was labour i can see them being the 3rd party after the next election.
You think they'll get fewer seats than the SNP, who currently have 35 MPs to the LibDems' 13 - and actually are the 3rd largest Party in the UK Parliament?
Sorry to burst your Little Englander maths."
Little englander maths what the fuck you on about? i think the tories and lib/dems will get more seats than labour thus making them the 3rd party.Hows that for maths? |
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over a year ago
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"How will moderate Conservative MPs feel about standing on a manifesto that pledges a No-Deal exit?
But if you go to any negotiation with no option of walking away you have lost before you have sat down, so the UK is fucked no matter what
When it is a negotiation of equals. This has never been a negotiation of equals.
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I agree and it should never have happened in the first place but it’s what we are stuck with because 17 million voted to leave 
But the backstop means that the UK will not leave and will just drag on and on because there is no way the EU is ever going to agree a solution for it as it’s gives them the eternal upper hand |
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Came through Gatwick this week at passport control there used to be two lines one for EU passport holders and one line for all other none EU passport holders, EU passport holders went through the passport readers and all others went to the manned kiosk’s
But all references to EU have gone and replaced with UK passport holders and the flags of all non EU countries to go through the passport readers
Now all EU except Uk passport holders have to go through the manned kiosks
Am flying out of Luton in a couple of days be interesting to see if it is the same there |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Came through Gatwick this week at passport control there used to be two lines one for EU passport holders and one line for all other none EU passport holders, EU passport holders went through the passport readers and all others went to the manned kiosk’s
But all references to EU have gone and replaced with UK passport holders and the flags of all non EU countries to go through the passport readers
Now all EU except Uk passport holders have to go through the manned kiosks
Am flying out of Luton in a couple of days be interesting to see if it is the same there"
Off out to spain the end of the month be interesting to see how that goes at malaga airport when arriving. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Came through Gatwick this week at passport control there used to be two lines one for EU passport holders and one line for all other none EU passport holders, EU passport holders went through the passport readers and all others went to the manned kiosk’s
But all references to EU have gone and replaced with UK passport holders and the flags of all non EU countries to go through the passport readers
Now all EU except Uk passport holders have to go through the manned kiosks
Am flying out of Luton in a couple of days be interesting to see if it is the same there"
Yep.
We are about to start treating non-British as aliens.
The rest of Europe will reciprocate.
90 days maximum stay, barred from returning for next 90 days.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
It's been a long time since I had a passport with border stamps in it.
Unless I cross the border in Ireland.
No passport stamps there, no checks, no nothing.
Not like Gatwick or Dover at all.
Nada. Nothing
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"Came through Gatwick this week at passport control there used to be two lines one for EU passport holders and one line for all other none EU passport holders, EU passport holders went through the passport readers and all others went to the manned kiosk’s
But all references to EU have gone and replaced with UK passport holders and the flags of all non EU countries to go through the passport readers
Now all EU except Uk passport holders have to go through the manned kiosks
Am flying out of Luton in a couple of days be interesting to see if it is the same there
Yep.
We are about to start treating non-British as aliens.
The rest of Europe will reciprocate.
90 days maximum stay, barred from returning for next 90 days.
Think that’s a bit unfair we did not treat the Australians, Canadians and the other non EU countries as aliens
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"Little englander maths what the fuck you on about? i think the tories and lib/dems will get more seats than labour thus making them the 3rd party.Hows that for maths?"
About as good as your punctuation. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Little englander maths what the fuck you on about? i think the tories and lib/dems will get more seats than labour thus making them the 3rd party.Hows that for maths?
About as good as your punctuation. "
That all you got? i didn't realize you had to have gone to grammar school to post on here. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"How will moderate Conservative MPs feel about standing on a manifesto that pledges a No-Deal exit?
But if you go to any negotiation with no option of walking away you have lost before you have sat down, so the UK is fucked no matter what
When it is a negotiation of equals. This has never been a negotiation of equals.
I agree and it should never have happened in the first place but it’s what we are stuck with because 17 million voted to leave
But the backstop means that the UK will not leave and will just drag on and on because there is no way the EU is ever going to agree a solution for it as it’s gives them the eternal upper hand "
The backstop affects only the people of Northern Ireland.
Originally.
Let them decide if they are happy with it (rather than the DUP).
If they are happy with it, no-one on the mainland should object.
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"How will moderate Conservative MPs feel about standing on a manifesto that pledges a No-Deal exit?
But if you go to any negotiation with no option of walking away you have lost before you have sat down, so the UK is fucked no matter what
When it is a negotiation of equals. This has never been a negotiation of equals.
I agree and it should never have happened in the first place but it’s what we are stuck with because 17 million voted to leave
But the backstop means that the UK will not leave and will just drag on and on because there is no way the EU is ever going to agree a solution for it as it’s gives them the eternal upper hand
The backstop affects only the people of Northern Ireland.
Originally.
Let them decide if they are happy with it (rather than the DUP).
If they are happy with it, no-one on the mainland should object.
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Back stop affects Everyone
How does it affect you?
The original one, I mean, not the Foster/May version.
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UK would still be aligned with the Eu and could be unable to exit the backstop if future negotiations fail. |
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"No, that was the 2nd version of it
The original only kept NI aligned.
The DUP persuaded Mrs May to apply it to the whole UK, otherwise they would vote it down."
No point getting analytical about different versions, it needs to be taken out.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Read it again.
The backstop, as originally announced, was NI only.
Mrs May extended it to the whole of the UK.
No-one asked the people of NI what they thought about it - only the DUP.
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"Read it again.
The backstop, as originally announced, was NI only.
Mrs May extended it to the whole of the UK.
No-one asked the people of NI what they thought about it - only the DUP. "
Agree, forgotten by many ! |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
It was very much in the spirit of the Belfast Agreement, allowing NI to keep a foot in both camps.
The DUP shot it down.
A referendum of the people of NI may have yielded a different outcome.
That said, it probably would be academic - the extremists in Parliament would vote down anything to do with the EU.
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"It was very much in the spirit of the Belfast Agreement, allowing NI to keep a foot in both camps.
The DUP shot it down.
A referendum of the people of NI may have yielded a different outcome.
That said, it probably would be academic - the extremists in Parliament would vote down anything to do with the EU.
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You can understand why the DUP shot it down though. Any canvassing of the NI electorate could be jumped on by the south as a reason to unify |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
It's not up to the south.
The Belfast Agreement gives the people of NI the right to self-determination.
What was proposed may or may not have been acceptable to them, but we will never know because the Tory administration in London had ears for only one faction.
The people of NI voted to stay in the single market, the customs union etc. The backstop allowed them to do that. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Yes totally agree it would be different in a GE,i would be a bit worried if i was the lib/dems and even more worried if i was labour i can see them being the 3rd party after the next election.How often in the past has the party in charge won a by election after being in power for so long not many "
i am surprised you wrong something like this... because of the way the seats are presently constituted... there is zero chance of the lib dems being the 2nd largest party...
the lib dem ceiling of everything went there way would probably be 100 seats top.... if they got to 70 i think they would be chuffed!
i think the more interesting question is who would be the largest "3rd party"... the lib dems or the SNP....
just because of the way the country lies... there are a lot of conservative vs lib dem fights... or conservative vs labour fights.... but actually not that many labour vs lib dems contests.... maybe that will change with this anti brexit lib dem vs this corbyn led labour...
but if the lib dem are going to pick up at lot of seats.. they will be at the expense of the tories in the south and south west.... |
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"It's not up to the south.
The Belfast Agreement gives the people of NI the right to self-determination.
What was proposed may or may not have been acceptable to them, but we will never know because the Tory administration in London had ears for only one faction.
The people of NI voted to stay in the single market, the customs union etc. The backstop allowed them to do that."
The people of NI are part of the UK.
And the result of the UK referendum doesn’t need to be repeated ...
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Jeeze!
I am talking about the backstop.
A referendum on the backstop.
For Northern Ireland only.
With only the people of Northern Ireland voting.
It didn't affect anyone else.
If they were happy with it, why should anyone else object?
No-one asked them. Only the nutters of the DUP.
It would have been a soft Brexit for NI.
Now they face the consequences of the hardest of hard Brexits.
There will be consequences.
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"Jeeze!
I am talking about the backstop.
A referendum on the backstop.
For Northern Ireland only.
With only the people of Northern Ireland voting.
It didn't affect anyone else.
If they were happy with it, why should anyone else object?
No-one asked them. Only the nutters of the DUP.
It would have been a soft Brexit for NI.
Now they face the consequences of the hardest of hard Brexits.
There will be consequences.
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And why would the NI electorate be asked?
Consequences of hardest brexit - we’re on with that old nit again ... jeez!
When will people understand they underestimated that the uk could actually vote to leave
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
When the history books are written, this extreme Brexit ideology will be seen as the most calamitous act of self-harm any nation ever inflicted on itself.
George Robertson, the former Defence Secretary and Secretary General of NATO, warned in 2014 during the Scottish referendum of the Balkanisation of Britain.
That is where we are heading, driven by an extreme nationalist ideology that will destroy the United Kingdom.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Yes totally agree it would be different in a GE,i would be a bit worried if i was the lib/dems and even more worried if i was labour i can see them being the 3rd party after the next election.How often in the past has the party in charge won a by election after being in power for so long not many
i am surprised you wrong something like this... because of the way the seats are presently constituted... there is zero chance of the lib dems being the 2nd largest party...
the lib dem ceiling of everything went there way would probably be 100 seats top.... if they got to 70 i think they would be chuffed!
i think the more interesting question is who would be the largest "3rd party"... the lib dems or the SNP....
just because of the way the country lies... there are a lot of conservative vs lib dem fights... or conservative vs labour fights.... but actually not that many labour vs lib dems contests.... maybe that will change with this anti brexit lib dem vs this corbyn led labour...
but if the lib dem are going to pick up at lot of seats.. they will be at the expense of the tories in the south and south west...."
well _abio unlike you i was offering an opinion so fail to see how i am "wrong" you should work for the bookies with your crystal ball on how many seats the lib/dems are going to contest and how many labour supporters are not going to defect to either remain or leave parties as corbyn sits on the fence. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Jeeze!
I am talking about the backstop.
A referendum on the backstop.
For Northern Ireland only.
With only the people of Northern Ireland voting.
It didn't affect anyone else.
If they were happy with it, why should anyone else object?
No-one asked them. Only the nutters of the DUP.
It would have been a soft Brexit for NI.
Now they face the consequences of the hardest of hard Brexits.
There will be consequences.
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Those "nutters" are elected mps by the people of N Ireland and have every right to speak for the electorate. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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Think that’s a bit unfair we did not treat the Australians, Canadians and the other non EU countries as aliens
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Alien is a term enshrined in law.
The English Parliament passed the Aliens Act in 1705 as a means of coercing the Scottish Parliament into the 1707 Act of Union.
Similarly in 1905, the UK Parliament passed the Aliens Act - the first piece of legislation to control immigration to the UK (but in reality aimed at stopping the flow of Jews from eastern Europe to the UK).
Anti-semitism in the first decade of the 20th century was rife in England.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
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Think that’s a bit unfair we did not treat the Australians, Canadians and the other non EU countries as aliens
Alien is a term enshrined in law.
The English Parliament passed the Aliens Act in 1705 as a means of coercing the Scottish Parliament into the 1707 Act of Union.
Similarly in 1905, the UK Parliament passed the Aliens Act - the first piece of legislation to control immigration to the UK (but in reality aimed at stopping the flow of Jews from eastern Europe to the UK).
Anti-semitism in the first decade of the 20th century was rife in England.
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It still is with corbyn in charge of the labour party. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Get real.
Have you heard of the British Brothers League who toured the country, supported by MPs, demanding that "Britain does not become the dumping ground for the scum of Europe".
The large Jewish community in London came from the persecution of Jews in Russia and their migration west, to the UK and the USA.
There was huge resentment towards the influx, not least the competition for work. Violent resentment.
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"How will moderate Conservative MPs feel about standing on a manifesto that pledges a No-Deal exit?
But if you go to any negotiation with no option of walking away you have lost before you have sat down, so the UK is fucked no matter what"
The normal 'walk away' option is to leave with no more and no less than you started off with. In the BREXIT scenario that would be to Remain not to Leave with less than we had before we started.
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"As far as I know the only people with any rights of habitation in the UK after Brexit are the Irish."
Some Maltese and Cypriot EU citizens along with some other British Overseas Territories and Commonwealth citizens will still have some historical rights of residence here.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"You really have no grasp of Northern Ireland or the issue.
In your opinion
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No you don’t actually.
There have been a number of inherently pragmatic and sensible solutions to many of the Brexit roadblocks, but either ideology, or beholdedness to the DUP (in this case) prevented a sensible solution.
Backstop V1 affected only the people of N Ireland. It delivered to them what they voted for, maintained the principles of the GFA and would have enabled Brexit to move forwards. Giving the people of N Ireland a Referendum vote on the backstop V1 was a sensible option.
The DUP prevented it happening. |
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By *etro1940sCouple
over a year ago
Kingston upon Thames |
"They are a minority as it is.
The DUP is propping this lot up.
Which does not augur well for sensible decisions about Ireland and Brexit.
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we really have a new ball game ... the liberals and the conservatives are the only choices now ... Lab have fallen into an unelectable rabble (thanks JC) and the Brexit mob will I suspect melt away (but they did kill off UKIP and Tommy R which was in the national interest) ... sort of back to early 1920s politics. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"You really have no grasp of Northern Ireland or the issue.
In your opinion
No you don’t actually.
There have been a number of inherently pragmatic and sensible solutions to many of the Brexit roadblocks, but either ideology, or beholdedness to the DUP (in this case) prevented a sensible solution.
Backstop V1 affected only the people of N Ireland. It delivered to them what they voted for, maintained the principles of the GFA and would have enabled Brexit to move forwards. Giving the people of N Ireland a Referendum vote on the backstop V1 was a sensible option.
The DUP prevented it happening."
i think "version 1" is the version that will eventually end up coming back... and they are going to dare the DUP and the ERG to vote against it if then means the alternative is this general election.....
the only good thing about the majority of 1 is that it bascially means the DUP have lost their power...
i think the ERG and the DUP will have ended up thinking they overplayed their hand.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think option 1 is also why we cant play the security card (farage mentioned it again in LBC)
We have a solution thay coukd work. If we choose not to use it, we cant be that worried about security.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"That prediction turned out to be way off the mark,when,instead,it is more than likely to be the labour party that is consigned to sometime in opposition"
If ever?
If Boris plays it right, looks at the long term and invests in the Nort, Wales etc. Then the labour party, having list it's roots becomes irrelevant. Many of the now labour voting liberal elite in London will gradually switch over to the liberals.
Certainly looking likely with the shambles of contenders for next labour leader... |
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