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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"What are the main issues that deter potential votes?
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starts with c, ends with n... 6 letters long!
and his left wing taliban that take every criticism as a personal afront! |
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"Lol, well jc mainly then. Thought the policies would be the cause, along with shadow cabinet members"
Generally Labour's policies are reasonably popular. Not many people object to the most wealthy being taxed more, and people are generally in favour of nationalising railways, for example.
Labour just need a strong, articulate, and ideally charismatic leader to sell the policies in the face of the right wing media's smears. Corbyn isn't that leader. |
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"What are the main issues that deter potential votes?
starts with c, ends with n... 6 letters long!
and his left wing taliban that take every criticism as a personal afront!"
The word so toxic you can't even say it?
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"What are the main issues that deter potential votes?
Corbyn & Abbott mainly. "
Your average Abbott detractors were never potential Labour voters, certainly left-wing Labour.
This page will fill up with people who are never going to vote Labour anyway. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Lol, well jc mainly then. Thought the policies would be the cause, along with shadow cabinet members
Generally Labour's policies are reasonably popular. Not many people object to the most wealthy being taxed more, and people are generally in favour of nationalising railways, for example.
Labour just need a strong, articulate, and ideally charismatic leader to sell the policies in the face of the right wing media's smears. Corbyn isn't that leader."
Popular?? maybe with the far left.Nationalized railways ffs they were worse then and no compensation for being late do you think they will still pay that if its government owned? |
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"What are the main issues that deter potential votes?
Corbyn & Abbott mainly.
Your average Abbott detractors were never potential Labour voters, certainly left-wing Labour.
This page will fill up with people who are never going to vote Labour anyway."
Maybe but you forget the voters who may be inclined to vote Labour as a protest vote against the Conservatives. I'd probably class myself as in that area but with Corbyn and Abbott there I'd probably have to vote for another party as a protest vote and not Labour. |
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"Nationalized railways ffs they were worse then and no compensation for being late do you think they will still pay that if its government owned? "
Were they really worse back then? We've had to constantly pay into them anyway over the years of privatisation! Rail privatisation in the UK is widely regarded as workable thing, you are just auto-pissing here - which is what this topic was designed for. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"What are the main issues that deter potential votes?
Corbyn & Abbott mainly.
Your average Abbott detractors were never potential Labour voters, certainly left-wing Labour.
This page will fill up with people who are never going to vote Labour anyway.
Maybe but you forget the voters who may be inclined to vote Labour as a protest vote against the Conservatives. I'd probably class myself as in that area but with Corbyn and Abbott there I'd probably have to vote for another party as a protest vote and not Labour. "
Why would you waste your vote on a protest? thats bloody stupid vote for what you believe in whoever that is and make your vote count. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What are the main issues that deter potential votes?
Corbyn & Abbott mainly.
Your average Abbott detractors were never potential Labour voters, certainly left-wing Labour.
This page will fill up with people who are never going to vote Labour anyway.
Maybe but you forget the voters who may be inclined to vote Labour as a protest vote against the Conservatives. I'd probably class myself as in that area but with Corbyn and Abbott there I'd probably have to vote for another party as a protest vote and not Labour. Why would you waste your vote on a protest? thats bloody stupid vote for what you believe in whoever that is and make your vote count."
If there is no party you'd want to vote for and if you had a party you normally vote for and you've lost faith in it then voting for any other party is a protest vote. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Nationalized railways ffs they were worse then and no compensation for being late do you think they will still pay that if its government owned?
Were they really worse back then? We've had to constantly pay into them anyway over the years of privatisation! Rail privatisation in the UK is widely regarded as workable thing, you are just auto-pissing here - which is what this topic was designed for."
Most of the delays are caused by network rail anyway who are publicly owned its only the rail companies that are privatized. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"What are the main issues that deter potential votes?
Corbyn & Abbott mainly.
Your average Abbott detractors were never potential Labour voters, certainly left-wing Labour.
This page will fill up with people who are never going to vote Labour anyway.
Maybe but you forget the voters who may be inclined to vote Labour as a protest vote against the Conservatives. I'd probably class myself as in that area but with Corbyn and Abbott there I'd probably have to vote for another party as a protest vote and not Labour. Why would you waste your vote on a protest? thats bloody stupid vote for what you believe in whoever that is and make your vote count.
If there is no party you'd want to vote for and if you had a party you normally vote for and you've lost faith in it then voting for any other party is a protest vote. "
So you would vote for a party you dont want to vote for? seems a bit fucked up if you ask me.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What are the main issues that deter potential votes?
Corbyn & Abbott mainly.
Your average Abbott detractors were never potential Labour voters, certainly left-wing Labour.
This page will fill up with people who are never going to vote Labour anyway.
Maybe but you forget the voters who may be inclined to vote Labour as a protest vote against the Conservatives. I'd probably class myself as in that area but with Corbyn and Abbott there I'd probably have to vote for another party as a protest vote and not Labour. Why would you waste your vote on a protest? thats bloody stupid vote for what you believe in whoever that is and make your vote count.
If there is no party you'd want to vote for and if you had a party you normally vote for and you've lost faith in it then voting for any other party is a protest vote. So you would vote for a party you dont want to vote for? seems a bit fucked up if you ask me. "
Brexit seems totally fucked up to me but millions voted for it  |
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"What are the main issues that deter potential votes?
Corbyn & Abbott mainly.
Your average Abbott detractors were never potential Labour voters, certainly left-wing Labour.
This page will fill up with people who are never going to vote Labour anyway.
Maybe but you forget the voters who may be inclined to vote Labour as a protest vote against the Conservatives. I'd probably class myself as in that area but with Corbyn and Abbott there I'd probably have to vote for another party as a protest vote and not Labour. Why would you waste your vote on a protest? thats bloody stupid vote for what you believe in whoever that is and make your vote count.
If there is no party you'd want to vote for and if you had a party you normally vote for and you've lost faith in it then voting for any other party is a protest vote. So you would vote for a party you dont want to vote for? seems a bit fucked up if you ask me.
Brexit seems totally fucked up to me but millions voted for it "
and I would keep voting for it |
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"What are the main issues that deter potential votes?
Corbyn & Abbott mainly.
Your average Abbott detractors were never potential Labour voters, certainly left-wing Labour.
This page will fill up with people who are never going to vote Labour anyway.
Maybe but you forget the voters who may be inclined to vote Labour as a protest vote against the Conservatives. I'd probably class myself as in that area but with Corbyn and Abbott there I'd probably have to vote for another party as a protest vote and not Labour. Why would you waste your vote on a protest? thats bloody stupid vote for what you believe in whoever that is and make your vote count.
If there is no party you'd want to vote for and if you had a party you normally vote for and you've lost faith in it then voting for any other party is a protest vote. So you would vote for a party you dont want to vote for? seems a bit fucked up if you ask me.
Brexit seems totally fucked up to me but millions voted for it
and I would keep voting for it "
Good for you, it's your democratic right |
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"Lol, well jc mainly then. Thought the policies would be the cause, along with shadow cabinet members
Generally Labour's policies are reasonably popular. Not many people object to the most wealthy being taxed more, and people are generally in favour of nationalising railways, for example.
Labour just need a strong, articulate, and ideally charismatic leader to sell the policies in the face of the right wing media's smears. Corbyn isn't that leader.Popular?? maybe with the far left.Nationalized railways ffs they were worse then and no compensation for being late do you think they will still pay that if its government owned? "
You can google it yourself rather than go uninformed as usual. Surveys show the public backs it.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Lol, well jc mainly then. Thought the policies would be the cause, along with shadow cabinet members
Generally Labour's policies are reasonably popular. Not many people object to the most wealthy being taxed more, and people are generally in favour of nationalising railways, for example.
Labour just need a strong, articulate, and ideally charismatic leader to sell the policies in the face of the right wing media's smears. Corbyn isn't that leader.Popular?? maybe with the far left.Nationalized railways ffs they were worse then and no compensation for being late do you think they will still pay that if its government owned?
You can google it yourself rather than go uninformed as usual. Surveys show the public backs it.
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thanks im fully informed now 64% of 1500 people, yeah sounds realy popular to me i wounder how many of them actually knows that the public own network rail. |
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RE the Rail
There was a huge problem with privatisation! Railtrack failed. Nework Rail was created (classified as public sector a few years back), and it owns track etc, but generally doesn't manage most of it. It's a mess.
We need to take proper control of it all. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Popular?? maybe with the far left.Nationalized railways ffs they were worse then and no compensation for being late do you think they will still pay that if its government owned? "
Most of the railway services are already in state hands.
Foreign state hands.
It's true what the previous person said - when asked about the policies, the Labour menu is pretty popular.
It's the personalities that deter people.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What are the main issues that deter potential votes?
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Historically I liked some labour policies, but can't vote for a party led by a professional protester with no answers.
But, putting that aside, the main issue with the labour party is how narrow minded and bigotted most their politicans, members and supporters are. They can't accept someone else can have a different opinion and that that opinion might be right. |
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Having voted Labour from a local election in 1981 through thick and thin until my last Labour vote in the general election of 2015, I cannot bring myself to vote for a party dominated by the hateful left, with a leader who has previously had questionable alliances and who cannot make a decision, along with a shadow cabinet full of persons such as Abbott and McDonnell. A party that puts forward policies that are not achievable but sound nice to the naive (clearing student debt comes to mind....post election this was ruled out as not realistic by the same people who proposed it. Alternatively forcing businesses to give 10% ownership to the workforce....immediately forcing many to move their admin bases to foreign soil, costing jobs and tax incomes). A party which changes it's line on Brexit almost daily. A party which cannot get to grips with antisemitism. A party which has been led by a serial protester who appears to have no strong leadership qualities.
Other than that, I may consider returning to the fold. |
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"Having voted Labour from a local election in 1981 through thick and thin until my last Labour vote in the general election of 2015, I cannot bring myself to vote for a party dominated by the hateful left, with a leader who has previously had questionable alliances and who cannot make a decision, along with a shadow cabinet full of persons such as Abbott and McDonnell. A party that puts forward policies that are not achievable but sound nice to the naive (clearing student debt comes to mind....post election this was ruled out as not realistic by the same people who proposed it. Alternatively forcing businesses to give 10% ownership to the workforce....immediately forcing many to move their admin bases to foreign soil, costing jobs and tax incomes). A party which changes it's line on Brexit almost daily. A party which cannot get to grips with antisemitism. A party which has been led by a serial protester who appears to have no strong leadership qualities.
Other than that, I may consider returning to the fold."
If you really don't like Corbyn, Abbott or McDonnell then just don't vote for Labour. It's a dangerous thing not to do imo, but I think enough people will for them to win the next GE.
Given all you've just said though, it;s pretty clear that you would do though, if they weren't there!? I do like them, and I will. Personally I couldn't bring myself to vote for y austerity-lite Miliband, so I didn't vote for anyone at all then, despite as a carer feeling austerity more than most. So I do understand what it feels like not to be able to do something. I found him and Balls insulting and just couldn't do it. |
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"Having voted Labour from a local election in 1981 through thick and thin until my last Labour vote in the general election of 2015, I cannot bring myself to vote for a party dominated by the hateful left, with a leader who has previously had questionable alliances and who cannot make a decision, along with a shadow cabinet full of persons such as Abbott and McDonnell. A party that puts forward policies that are not achievable but sound nice to the naive (clearing student debt comes to mind....post election this was ruled out as not realistic by the same people who proposed it. Alternatively forcing businesses to give 10% ownership to the workforce....immediately forcing many to move their admin bases to foreign soil, costing jobs and tax incomes). A party which changes it's line on Brexit almost daily. A party which cannot get to grips with antisemitism. A party which has been led by a serial protester who appears to have no strong leadership qualities.
Other than that, I may consider returning to the fold.
If you really don't like Corbyn, Abbott or McDonnell then just don't vote for Labour. It's a dangerous thing not to do imo, but I think enough people will for them to win the next GE.
Given all you've just said though, it;s pretty clear that you would do though, if they weren't there!? I do like them, and I will. Personally I couldn't bring myself to vote for y austerity-lite Miliband, so I didn't vote for anyone at all then, despite as a carer feeling austerity more than most. So I do understand what it feels like not to be able to do something. I found him and Balls insulting and just couldn't do it."
As I said....it's not just the personalities, it's the failures to lead on Brexit, to tackle antisemitism and a real failure to propose credible policies which are unachievable by their own admission.
No true leadership..... |
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"Having voted Labour from a local election in 1981 through thick and thin until my last Labour vote in the general election of 2015, I cannot bring myself to vote for a party dominated by the hateful left, with a leader who has previously had questionable alliances and who cannot make a decision, along with a shadow cabinet full of persons such as Abbott and McDonnell. A party that puts forward policies that are not achievable but sound nice to the naive (clearing student debt comes to mind....post election this was ruled out as not realistic by the same people who proposed it. Alternatively forcing businesses to give 10% ownership to the workforce....immediately forcing many to move their admin bases to foreign soil, costing jobs and tax incomes). A party which changes it's line on Brexit almost daily. A party which cannot get to grips with antisemitism. A party which has been led by a serial protester who appears to have no strong leadership qualities.
Other than that, I may consider returning to the fold.
If you really don't like Corbyn, Abbott or McDonnell then just don't vote for Labour. It's a dangerous thing not to do imo, but I think enough people will for them to win the next GE.
Given all you've just said though, it;s pretty clear that you would do though, if they weren't there!? I do like them, and I will. Personally I couldn't bring myself to vote for y austerity-lite Miliband, so I didn't vote for anyone at all then, despite as a carer feeling austerity more than most. So I do understand what it feels like not to be able to do something. I found him and Balls insulting and just couldn't do it.
As I said....it's not just the personalities, it's the failures to lead on Brexit, to tackle antisemitism and a real failure to propose credible policies which are unachievable by their own admission.
No true leadership....."
I strongly disagree on all three counts. I probably spent too much time on it in here. But...
1) It's been complex an they have spent millions (Jews as antisemites and fairness with antiIslamism has been their biggest issue - plus absurd political pressure as politicised exaggeration from the outset - however important it is).
2) It's been complex and they have spent millions. (a bitter 50/50 ref they didn't ask for, best served by a new GE, with no house majority and incredibly backstabbing politics? With little stock for their supporters either way? And an EU which doesn't want to make it easy? Even May deserves SOME sympathy in this area - though boy do I only mean some.)
3) What are talking about here? Their policies are popular and fine. But they are left wing. If you don't like that - don't vote for them. |
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Personally, any one who thinks Corbyn will be PM, in the event of a Labour win, is deluded.
Abbott/McDonald and Saddiq Khan, are waiting for their moment.
Abbott will oust Corbyn, to become leader/PM, and the other two will be given high profile posts. |
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"Personally, any one who thinks Corbyn will be PM, in the event of a Labour win, is deluded.
Abbott/McDonald and Saddiq Khan, are waiting for their moment.
Abbott will oust Corbyn, to become leader/PM, and the other two will be given high profile posts.  Abbott pm ? then the lunatics will be running the asylum. "
Corbyn overthrown after winning? How does that work out lol. Khan would actually love to, mind you.
Nice opportunity for quick knock at Abbott though. What a man  |
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"Personally, any one who thinks Corbyn will be PM, in the event of a Labour win, is deluded.
Abbott/McDonald and Saddiq Khan, are waiting for their moment.
Abbott will oust Corbyn, to become leader/PM, and the other two will be given high profile posts. Abbott pm ? then the lunatics will be running the asylum.
Corbyn overthrown after winning? How does that work out lol. Khan would actually love to, mind you.
Nice opportunity for quick knock at Abbott though. What a man "
A quick ‘knock’ at Abbott?
And, it was the fem half of the couple who wrote it...  |
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"Personally, any one who thinks Corbyn will be PM, in the event of a Labour win, is deluded.
Abbott/McDonald and Saddiq Khan, are waiting for their moment.
Abbott will oust Corbyn, to become leader/PM, and the other two will be given high profile posts. Abbott pm ? then the lunatics will be running the asylum.
Corbyn overthrown after winning? How does that work out lol. Khan would actually love to, mind you.
Nice opportunity for quick knock at Abbott though. What a man
A quick ‘knock’ at Abbott?
And, it was the fem half of the couple who wrote it... "
--I replied to _ostafun, follow the thread. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Personally, any one who thinks Corbyn will be PM, in the event of a Labour win, is deluded.
Abbott/McDonald and Saddiq Khan, are waiting for their moment.
Abbott will oust Corbyn, to become leader/PM, and the other two will be given high profile posts. Abbott pm ? then the lunatics will be running the asylum.
Corbyn overthrown after winning? How does that work out lol. Khan would actually love to, mind you.
Nice opportunity for quick knock at Abbott though. What a man
A quick ‘knock’ at Abbott?
And, it was the fem half of the couple who wrote it...
--I replied to _ostafun, follow the thread."
Sorry mate i know shes your pin up girl but PM you have to be joking? |
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"Personally, any one who thinks Corbyn will be PM, in the event of a Labour win, is deluded.
Abbott/McDonald and Saddiq Khan, are waiting for their moment.
Abbott will oust Corbyn, to become leader/PM, and the other two will be given high profile posts. Abbott pm ? then the lunatics will be running the asylum.
Corbyn overthrown after winning? How does that work out lol. Khan would actually love to, mind you.
Nice opportunity for quick knock at Abbott though. What a man
A quick ‘knock’ at Abbott?
And, it was the fem half of the couple who wrote it...
--I replied to _ostafun, follow the thread.Sorry mate i know shes your pin up girl but PM you have to be joking? "
I know she is not your pin up girl (to say the least), but look at Boris' history as an MP. I don't think Abbott even sees herself as a PM, but I'd take her over that paper shuffling, hair fluffing ass-wiping British asset-seller in a millisecond. He is a massively unpleasant fuck nut who is still 14 in his head. |
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"Personally, any one who thinks Corbyn will be PM, in the event of a Labour win, is deluded.
Abbott/McDonald and Saddiq Khan, are waiting for their moment.
Abbott will oust Corbyn, to become leader/PM, and the other two will be given high profile posts. Abbott pm ? then the lunatics will be running the asylum.
Corbyn overthrown after winning? How does that work out lol. Khan would actually love to, mind you.
Nice opportunity for quick knock at Abbott though. What a man
A quick ‘knock’ at Abbott?
And, it was the fem half of the couple who wrote it...
--I replied to _ostafun, follow the thread.Sorry mate i know shes your pin up girl but PM you have to be joking?
I know she is not your pin up girl (to say the least), but look at Boris' history as an MP. I don't think Abbott even sees herself as a PM, but I'd take her over that paper shuffling, hair fluffing ass-wiping British asset-seller in a millisecond. He is a massively unpleasant fuck nut who is still 14 in his head."
she is yr pin up girl tho you’ve got a huge crush on her lol god knows why tho |
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"No clarity whatsoever. Does anyone know if he is in favour of leaving or remaining? if there was a GE."
He said he is 100% committed to possibly making a decision. Should the need arise he is 100% certain the decision will be based on information received and considered to the point where they could have 4, or more, choices. Of those 4 choices he is 100% sure he may not go forward with any. And if the need should arise where he is forced to declare a position he can say with full conviction that he doesn't have a fucking scooby. |
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"What are the main issues that deter potential votes?
Corbyn & Abbott mainly.
Your average Abbott detractors were never potential Labour voters, certainly left-wing Labour.
This page will fill up with people who are never going to vote Labour anyway.
Maybe but you forget the voters who may be inclined to vote Labour as a protest vote against the Conservatives. I'd probably class myself as in that area but with Corbyn and Abbott there I'd probably have to vote for another party as a protest vote and not Labour. Why would you waste your vote on a protest? thats bloody stupid vote for what you believe in whoever that is and make your vote count.
If there is no party you'd want to vote for and if you had a party you normally vote for and you've lost faith in it then voting for any other party is a protest vote. So you would vote for a party you dont want to vote for? seems a bit fucked up if you ask me. "
Not really, where I live the Conservatives never stood a chance of getting elected so I often voted Liberal or LibDem as the best chance of stopping Labour.
Now i'm happy to vote for them is a positive way. I'd also be prepared to vote Labour if it wasn't for Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonald who, quite frankly, scare the shit out of me. I personally have never had a major problem with Diane Abbott.
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
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"A media that is biased against the party and especially the leader.
Too decent a party in comparison with the. Conservatives "
Exactly.....
Though I’m not J.C.’s biggest fan.
Labour is rightful home of progressive and inclusive politics and they should have been at the heart of the pro eu debate.
Unfortunately they dithered and prevaricated on the issue which allowed the hard right to gain traction hence where we are today.
We need more progressive, open and inclusive politics in this country rather than the pull up the drawbridge mentality that has currently invaded the national consciousness.
It is the responsibility of our elected representatives to tell us the real truth no matter how unpopular it is. Not fanning the flames of popularism and decisive nationalism.
Unfortunately Labour by their own internal wranglings and dithering have squandered this and in the process allowed the right wing press to demonise them. |
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