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The parliament cant get shut down.

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Just saw that.

Parliamentary democracy wins!

Shame that the margin was not significantly wider than 41.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Winning ....

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

Eu will be relieved / laughing

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By *ild_oatsMan over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

It idea of shutting down parliament so you can force any form of legislation through. Sounds like the desperation of weak and despotic leadership.

Something you would see in a banana republic.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Just saw that.

Parliamentary democracy wins!

Shame that the margin was not significantly wider than 41."
That is right, democracy wins and yes, it could of been a wider margin

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Eu will be relieved / laughing "

You are not relieved?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Winning ....

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

It sums up just how far Britain has fallen that its Parliament feels it has to protect itself from a Prime Minister with no mandate infected by the madness of Brexit.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

30 Conservative abstentions though.

Some Independent and Labour too though.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

There was never ever going to be the Parliamentary arithmetic to force a "no deal", just as there isn't (at the moment) to get a deal through.

It's stalemate and has been for months.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A second referendum is inevitable and has been for a year.

Theyll throw it back to the masses.

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By *rench letterCouple over a year ago

Chorley,

That's good, may stop bafoon Boris in his tracks. Wipe the smirk off his face.

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By *athy1Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

Odds on now general election

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

That they should have to think about having to protect the democratic sovereignty of the lower house says how far we have fallen from being the mother of all parliaments..

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"That's good, may stop bafoon Boris in his tracks. Wipe the smirk off his face. "
It does not stop him at all.He has said if the eu does not come back with anything we are out on the 31st.All he has to do is nothing and we are out.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"That's good, may stop bafoon Boris in his tracks. Wipe the smirk off his face. It does not stop him at all.He has said if the eu does not come back with anything we are out on the 31st.All he has to do is nothing and we are out.

That's been said twice before.

I guess we wait and see.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

That's been said twice before.

I guess we wait and see."
Thats all we can do easy after all boris hasn't even won yet.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Granted that may be the current default but if it comes to it there are more than enough tories who have said they will never support it and will if necessary bring their own party in government down to avoid it..

Even abstaining in a vote of no confidence will be enough to trigger a possible GE and if its to be Boris as Pm with his ego I think he will at all costs avoid leaving on any date with no deal..

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By *athy1Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

It will not pass and be voted out if it comes to that

The only chance the moron has is to get a deal personally I don’t think it will ever happen

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

Even abstaining in a vote of no confidence will be enough to trigger a possible GE and if its to be Boris as Pm with his ego I think he will at all costs avoid leaving on any date with no deal.. "
Dont forget there are some labour mps who said they will support it.On daily politics monday a labour mp said that we must leave the eu deal or no deal when asked why she voted against a deal 3 times she said its "playing poker" but now the uncertainty is bad for the country.

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By *athy1Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

Even abstaining in a vote of no confidence will be enough to trigger a possible GE and if its to be Boris as Pm with his ego I think he will at all costs avoid leaving on any date with no deal.. Dont forget there are some labour mps who said they will support it.On daily politics monday a labour mp said that we must leave the eu deal or no deal when asked why she voted against a deal 3 times she said its "playing poker" but now the uncertainty is bad for the country."

That was Monday 72 hours and things have changed

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

The number of Tory MPs who will thwart no deal is in three figures. The number of Labour MPs who might go along with it is 10-20.

No deal ain't gonna happen, unless it comes with an explicit mandate from the public via a referendum or general election.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"The number of Tory MPs who will thwart no deal is in three figures. The number of Labour MPs who might go along with it is 10-20.

No deal ain't gonna happen, unless it comes with an explicit mandate from the public via a referendum or general election."
Glad you are so confident that they can change the law before the 31st but think you are going to be disappointed.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

They did it before. They will do it again.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"The number of Tory MPs who will thwart no deal is in three figures. The number of Labour MPs who might go along with it is 10-20.

No deal ain't gonna happen, unless it comes with an explicit mandate from the public via a referendum or general election.Glad you are so confident that they can change the law before the 31st but think you are going to be disappointed."

Labour force a vote of no confidence in the Government. The 100 or so Conservative MPs back that motion and we will go to a GE.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"They did it before. They will do it again."
No they prolonged the process they didnt change the law.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I'm thinking more of an amendment to legislation that needs to be passed before Oct 31. In much the same way as MPs today amended legislation relating to Northern Ireland.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"They did it before. They will do it again.No they prolonged the process they didnt change the law."

Of course they changed the law.

The law said UK leaves on March 29.

It took them 24 hours to change the date in law.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"I'm thinking more of an amendment to legislation that needs to be passed before Oct 31. In much the same way as MPs today amended legislation relating to Northern Ireland."
A few tories might be willing to fall on their sword but when push comes to shove my guess is the majority still want to be mps and have a tory party.So will not vote against the government in a no confidence motion which is about the only way to stop it now.Not even comrade corbyn is banging on about a GE anymore after the disastrous results in the eu elections and internal turmoil in his party.I think he will be quite happy to let the tories take us out and then can blame them until eternity for anything that goes wrong in the future.If he wasnt so old he would be happy to wait a couple of years for a GE get his party in line and have a real chance of power but time stops for no man.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"They did it before. They will do it again.No they prolonged the process they didnt change the law.

Of course they changed the law.

The law said UK leaves on March 29.

It took them 24 hours to change the date in law."
No they changed the date we leave the law still remained as attached to the date.

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By *ick270Man over a year ago

Here

Who cares as the Brexit party will take us out .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Who cares as the Brexit party will take us out ."

Seriously

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By *athy1Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"Who cares as the Brexit party will take us out ."

Realy!!

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?"
Boris is a very clever guy and will find a way round this I reckon.

Like him or hate him he is the most intelligent MP there is and if you think I am just saying this ask some MP's,they dislike him for that reason,not just me saying this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Who cares as the Brexit party will take us out ."

i doubt if the brexit party could take out a hot air balloon at point blank range with a rocket launcher

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"The number of Tory MPs who will thwart no deal is in three figures. The number of Labour MPs who might go along with it is 10-20.

No deal ain't gonna happen, unless it comes with an explicit mandate from the public via a referendum or general election."
No deal is now virtually inevitable unless the EU starts agreeing to new demands.If he did not believe he could get us out Boris would not have stood for leader

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"It idea of shutting down parliament so you can force any form of legislation through. Sounds like the desperation of weak and despotic leadership.

Something you would see in a banana republic."
You aint seen nothing yet

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By *ick270Man over a year ago

Here

There bigger than you think, or want to believe.

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple over a year ago

Dudley

"Who cares as the Brexit party will take us out .

Realy!!"

I see your spelling "really" hasn't improved! Lol

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"They did it before. They will do it again.No they prolonged the process they didnt change the law.

Of course they changed the law.

The law said UK leaves on March 29.

It took them 24 hours to change the date in law.No they changed the date we leave the law still remained as attached to the date."

Same thing.

The leave date is written into law.

It's been changed once.

It can be changed again.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?Boris is a very clever guy and will find a way round this I reckon.

Like him or hate him he is the most intelligent MP there is and if you think I am just saying this ask some MP's,they dislike him for that reason,not just me saying this."

Stay off the magic mushrooms..

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Like him or hate him he is the most intelligent MP there is and if you think I am just saying this ask some MP's,they dislike him for that reason,not just me saying this."

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"The number of Tory MPs who will thwart no deal is in three figures. The number of Labour MPs who might go along with it is 10-20.

No deal ain't gonna happen, unless it comes with an explicit mandate from the public via a referendum or general election.No deal is now virtually inevitable unless the EU starts agreeing to new demands.If he did not believe he could get us out Boris would not have stood for leader"

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"It idea of shutting down parliament so you can force any form of legislation through. Sounds like the desperation of weak and despotic leadership.

Something you would see in a banana republic.You aint seen nothing yet"

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

so what happens if Boris can't get deal reopend and walks away and dosent ask for it to be extended dosent that meen we leave anyway.also i thought the e.u said if nothing has changed they won't extend it either ?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"so what happens if Boris can't get deal reopend and walks away and dosent ask for it to be extended dosent that meen we leave anyway.also i thought the e.u said if nothing has changed they won't extend it either ?"

Vote of no confidence leading to a general election which might lead the EU to extend.

Still a good chance of no deal though. What a huge farce.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Theresa May was not in control of this and neither will Boris Johnson.

"The first rule of politics - you have to be able to count."

- US President Lyndon B Johnson

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

Vote of no confidence leading to a general election which might lead the EU to extend.

Still a good chance of no deal though. What a huge farce. "

i know ya have torys saying the will trigger a G.e with a vote of no confidence but when push comes to shove there are to many carrer politicians who won't fuck there own jobs off as they won't get relected .easy to say things a lot harder to do when ya well paid job with expenses is on the line.then again perhaps we need a few new party

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

The Conservative Party (including the DUP) has a majority of four.

Expect that to reduce to three after the by-election in Wales.

Asked to choose between a no-deal exit and collapse of the Government, there are more than 3 Conservative MPs who would opt for the latter.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Boris is a very clever guy and will find a way round this I reckon.

Like him or hate him he is the most intelligent MP there is and if you think I am just saying this ask some MP's,they dislike him for that reason,not just me saying this."

Boris is a very clever guy

. The best joke I've heard this year.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Vote of no confidence leading to a general election which might lead the EU to extend.

Still a good chance of no deal though. What a huge farce.

remember the majority is only 4.... so if everyone was to vote you would only need a handful of tories to vote against.... i have confidence in enough of them, grieve, sir philip lee, guto bebb, justine greening (i would not bet against those 3 being lib dems this time next week) sam gymah, antoinette sandbach.....ect ect...

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

Like him or hate him he is the most intelligent MP there is and if you think I am just saying this ask some MP's,they dislike him for that reason,not just me saying this."

No he has a talent for bluff and bluster, but like many aristocratic egomaniacs, they fall apart when faced with hard realities.

Johnson’s lying mouth has caused him trouble throughout his career and it will shortly be his downfall.

No Prime Minister of any Party, least of all the Conservative Party would purposely set the U.K. on a path of economic decline. Johnson, like May before him has blustered himself into a corner. Cue... Yet more lies and bluster in a week or so time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ahhh Brexit, isn't it all just going swimmingly well

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

MP wasting time again you have to laugh. The EU will ask us if we want an extension, Boris will say no thanks we are OK. So we will just leave on the 31st job done, MPs running around voting is a waste of time.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"MP wasting time again you have to laugh. The EU will ask us if we want an extension, Boris will say no thanks we are OK. So we will just leave on the 31st job done, MPs running around voting is a waste of time. "

I'm just going to repeat that.

"MPs running around voting is a waste of time."

My definition of democracy is so very different to yours.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm just going to repeat that.

"MPs running around voting is a waste of time."

My definition of democracy is so very different to yours."
They had 3 year's to do their job , people voted for leave and they was not having it.

So sorry but it doesn't work that way, MPs our there to work for the people not themselves.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS over a year ago

Ayr

"MPs are there to work for the people not themselves. "

That's rarely ever true of Tory MPs. It's certainly not true of Boris Johnson.

The majority of MPs are opposed to Brexit, which is why the Commons is paralysed.

They are not delivering what the 52% voted for because they're trying to save the 100% from a recession.

They're in an impossible position - but they're right to ensure the sovereignty of Parliament. After all, that's so very important to all the Leave voters. Isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm just going to repeat that.

"MPs running around voting is a waste of time."

My definition of democracy is so very different to yours.They had 3 year's to do their job , people voted for leave and they was not having it.

So sorry but it doesn't work that way, MPs our there to work for the people not themselves. "

It seems that the MPs are smarter than those who voted for brexit.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"MPs running around voting is a waste of time. "

Democracy, sovereignty, legislatures . . . who needs it, eh?

Brexit, Brexit, Brexit!

Just stamp your feet harder, shout a little louder and the land of milk and honey can be yours.

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By *bandjam91Couple over a year ago

London

"The number of Tory MPs who will thwart no deal is in three figures. The number of Labour MPs who might go along with it is 10-20.

Parliament is sovereign.

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By *bandjam91Couple over a year ago

London

That's not how it works. Read something.

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By *ertwoCouple over a year ago

omagh

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?"

Yes it can it is in contempt of the people and a general election will shut it down. Then New MPs with a back bone from the brexit party will be elected.

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By *bandjam91Couple over a year ago

London

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?

Yes it can it is in contempt of the people and a general election will shut it down. Then New MPs with a back bone from the brexit party will be elected. "

That's also not how it works.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?

Yes it can it is in contempt of the people and a general election will shut it down. Then New MPs with a back bone from the brexit party will be elected.

That's also not how it works."

Brexshit party and their supporters have never had anything wise to say. Just like a farage clown.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?

Yes it can it is in contempt of the people and a general election will shut it down. Then New MPs with a back bone from the brexit party will be elected.

That's also not how it works.

Brexshit party and their supporters have never had anything wise to say. Just like a farage clown.

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Do you ever have anything constructive to say or do you just use this forum to insult leavers?

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple over a year ago

Dudley

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?

Yes it can it is in contempt of the people and a general election will shut it down. Then New MPs with a back bone from the brexit party will be elected.

That's also not how it works.

Brexshit party and their supporters have never had anything wise to say. Just like a farage clown.

Neither have you even though you keep telling us you are an intellectual! Lol

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

The majority of MPs are opposed to Brexit, which is why the Commons is paralysed.

The majority of MPs voted for Brexit and the triggering of Article 50.

The majority of MPs are opposed to leaving the EU in a way that will leave their constituents worse off.

The Brexiteers promised the opposite - that we'd be better off.

It is the Brexiteers who have failed to deliver, not Parliament. Parliament is holding them to account.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?

Yes it can it is in contempt of the people and a general election will shut it down. Then New MPs with a back bone from the brexit party will be elected.

That's also not how it works.

Brexshit party and their supporters have never had anything wise to say. Just like a farage clown.

Neither have you even though you keep telling us you are an intellectual! Lol

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first when have i ever said i was an intellectual? oh wait a minute never.Secondly i think i have contributed to discussions on here ok people might not like my point of view but i dont just post insults to them unlike some.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The majority of MPs are opposed to Brexit, which is why the Commons is paralysed.

The majority of MPs voted for Brexit and the triggering of Article 50.

The majority of MPs are opposed to leaving the EU in a way that will leave their constituents worse off.

The Brexiteers promised the opposite - that we'd be better off.

It is the Brexiteers who have failed to deliver, not Parliament. Parliament is holding them to account.

Very true

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?

Yes it can it is in contempt of the people and a general election will shut it down. Then New MPs with a back bone from the brexit party will be elected.

That's also not how it works.

Brexshit party and their supporters have never had anything wise to say. Just like a farage clown.

Do you ever have anything constructive to say or do you just use this forum to insult leavers?"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?

Yes it can it is in contempt of the people and a general election will shut it down. Then New MPs with a back bone from the brexit party will be elected.

That's also not how it works.

Brexshit party and their supporters have never had anything wise to say. Just like a farage clown.

Neither have you even though you keep telling us you are an intellectual! Lol

first when have i ever said i was an intellectual? oh wait a minute never.Secondly i think i have contributed to discussions on here ok people might not like my point of view but i dont just post insults to them unlike some. "

There is no point commenting on this because you show at what your intellectual level is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?

Yes it can it is in contempt of the people and a general election will shut it down. Then New MPs with a back bone from the brexit party will be elected.

That's also not how it works.

Brexshit party and their supporters have never had anything wise to say. Just like a farage clown.

Neither have you even though you keep telling us you are an intellectual! Lol

And propose to you, first rate your posts and then judge the intellect of others.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?

Yes it can it is in contempt of the people and a general election will shut it down. Then New MPs with a back bone from the brexit party will be elected.

That's also not how it works.

Brexshit party and their supporters have never had anything wise to say. Just like a farage clown.

Do you ever have anything constructive to say or do you just use this forum to insult leavers?

You just showed that you have a problem with accepting the truth but it's normal among those who want to leave. The truth is that your heroes are just liars and hypocrites and it looks like the truth hurts you and it hurts a lot."
I have no problem with the truth the truth is we will be leaving on the 31st and im not hurt at all i do not have to result to just posting insults.Just try to say something wise yourself.

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple over a year ago

Dudley

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?

Yes it can it is in contempt of the people and a general election will shut it down. Then New MPs with a back bone from the brexit party will be elected.

That's also not how it works.

Brexshit party and their supporters have never had anything wise to say. Just like a farage clown.

Neither have you even though you keep telling us you are an intellectual! Lol

My post was directed at Polishcouple77! He thinks to quote his own words " you do not agree with me, you must be stupid" is an intellectual argument! Lol

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?

Yes it can it is in contempt of the people and a general election will shut it down. Then New MPs with a back bone from the brexit party will be elected.

That's also not how it works.

Brexshit party and their supporters have never had anything wise to say. Just like a farage clown.

Neither have you even though you keep telling us you are an intellectual! Lol

My post was directed at Polishcouple77! He thinks to quote his own words " you do not agree with me, you must be stupid" is an intellectual argument! Lol

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sorry.

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple over a year ago

Dudley

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?

Yes it can it is in contempt of the people and a general election will shut it down. Then New MPs with a back bone from the brexit party will be elected.

That's also not how it works.

Brexshit party and their supporters have never had anything wise to say. Just like a farage clown.

Neither have you even though you keep telling us you are an intellectual! Lol

My post was directed at Polishcouple77! He thinks to quote his own words " you do not agree with me, you must be stupid" is an intellectual argument! Lol

sorry.

No worries!

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By *ick270Man over a year ago

Here

Dont under estimate Boris,what you see is not what you get, he wouldnt take it on if he thought he couldnt get it through,lots of very bright people backing him.

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By *xperimentalistMan over a year ago

East Yorkshire

In theory could just go to the Queen and ask her to dissolve the parliament to push the no deal through without parliament, no matter what they have voted for??

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"The number of Tory MPs who will thwart no deal is in three figures. The number of Labour MPs who might go along with it is 10-20.

Labour force a vote of no confidence in the Government. The 100 or so Conservative MPs back that motion and we will go to a GE. "

I think it's still unlikely that enough Conservatives will back a no confidence in the government especially if it's tabled by Corbyn's Labour Party. Conservative MPs are not going to be turkeys voting for Christmas. Far more likely to succeed is a move from back benchers to extend or suspend article 50 until after a confirmatory referendum.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?

Yes it can it is in contempt of the people and a general election will shut it down. Then New MPs with a back bone from the brexit party will be elected.

That's also not how it works.

Brexshit party and their supporters have never had anything wise to say. Just like a farage clown.

Do you ever have anything constructive to say or do you just use this forum to insult leavers?

You just showed that you have a problem with accepting the truth but it's normal among those who want to leave. The truth is that your heroes are just liars and hypocrites and it looks like the truth hurts you and it hurts a lot.I have no problem with the truth the truth is we will be leaving on the 31st and im not hurt at all i do not have to result to just posting insults.Just try to say something wise yourself."

Yes Yes. It will be the fall of the government and the PM whoever will win next week, another 29 March and GE and another extension and referendum.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"The number of Tory MPs who will thwart no deal is in three figures. The number of Labour MPs who might go along with it is 10-20.

Labour force a vote of no confidence in the Government. The 100 or so Conservative MPs back that motion and we will go to a GE.

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Agree with you on the no confidence vote but suspending A50 i think will depend on the labour party conference,if they change their position to remain i think they will have a lot of disillusioned mps and a no deal will win through.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Boris is a very clever guy and will find a way round this I reckon.

Like him or hate him he is the most intelligent MP there is and if you think I am just saying this ask some MP's,they dislike him for that reason,not just me saying this.

Boris is a very clever guy

. The best joke I've heard this year."

Whilst I wouldn't say he's 'the most intelligent MP' you are seriously underestimating Johnson if you think he's stupid or a fool. It's partly because of many people underestimating Johnson that we are in the worryingly dangerous situation we find ourselves.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

I'm just going to repeat that.

"MPs running around voting is a waste of time."

My definition of democracy is so very different to yours.They had 3 year's to do their job , people voted for leave and they was not having it.

So sorry but it doesn't work that way, MPs our there to work for the people not themselves. "

As only 37% of the people voted to Leave and the Leave that was promised in both the 2016 referendum and the 2017 General Election was to leave with a deal better than we have now, why would it be some how more democratic for Parliament to back either leaving with 'no deal' or a deal that Parliament believes is worse than we have now rather than not leaving at all or asking the people if the Leave on offer is what they actually want?

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

"In theory could just go to the Queen and ask her to dissolve the parliament to push the no deal through without parliament, no matter what they have voted for?? "

Firstly the amendment just passed means that Boris cannot ask for parliament to be dissolved. Secondly, if he does find some way around it and close parliament, the very first action when it reopens would be a vote to bring down the government, and Boris would be evicted. This would also be the end forever of the conservative party.

It is impossible to implement democracy and assure the sovereignty of parliament by closing down parliament! Charles I was the last one to try to silence parliament in this way - leading to civil war and losing his head...

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

Personally i dont think boris ever had any intention to shut down parliament all he said was that he was taking nothing off the table.Its just a distraction and a way to gauge where people sit at the moment he may act it at times but he is not stupid.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"Personally i dont think boris ever had any intention to shut down parliament all he said was that he was taking nothing off the table.Its just a distraction and a way to gauge where people sit at the moment he may act it at times but he is not stupid. "

This

All that yesterday’s amendment does is weaken a negotiation that I’m sure the new PM will want to open as soon as possible.

Once again we play out our hand in public, tie our hands and shoot ourselves in the foot - and all before the new PM is even in place.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

This

All that yesterday’s amendment does is weaken a negotiation that I’m sure the new PM will want to open as soon as possible.

Once again we play out our hand in public, tie our hands and shoot ourselves in the foot - and all before the new PM is even in place.

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exactly but when you have mps determined to stay in the eu this will keep happening.

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By *rench letterCouple over a year ago

Chorley,

Well done those Mps, keep up the good work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This

All that yesterday’s amendment does is weaken a negotiation that I’m sure the new PM will want to open as soon as possible.

Once again we play out our hand in public, tie our hands and shoot ourselves in the foot - and all before the new PM is even in place.

exactly but when you have mps determined to stay in the eu this will keep happening."

This is exactly the reason why we shouldn’t have had a referendum, the only way we will leave the EU is if they kick us out without a deal

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"That's good, may stop bafoon Boris in his tracks. Wipe the smirk off his face. "
That is right

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

It's a good move, including from a sizeable number of conservatives who defied their party's line. Any leader who would attempt shutting down parliament is not a true leader but someone without ability to lead. Johnsons history is one of failure and wasting of obscene amounts of public money. He's on course to do the same again as well as make everyone much poorer, apart from the very wealthy who are doing this to get rich from your downfall.

Johnson has also been threatened with legal action again if he tries this. He may still try to find some way to do it but great news that this vote makes it much harder. A nasty and very dangerous excuse for a human

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By *oghunter33Woman over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

This

All that yesterday’s amendment does is weaken a negotiation that I’m sure the new PM will want to open as soon as possible.

Once again we play out our hand in public, tie our hands and shoot ourselves in the foot - and all before the new PM is even in place.

What negotiations? That train has left the station a good while ago. Should have had a clear plan in 2017 to base negotiations on but since nobody had a realistic picture how and what Brexit looks like it resulted in a complete mess.

With a new unpredictable pm who is an elephant in a china shop when it comes to diplomacy and who has insulted almost any other European leader in the past, it's not very promising to get any better but also he's the ability to run over the cliff without considering consequences.

So all the parliament tries is to do some damage limitation.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

All that yesterday’s amendment does is weaken a negotiation that I’m sure the new PM will want to open as soon as possible.

What negotiation?

The EU negotiating team is disbanded.

Every single leader of the EU27 says the withdrawal agreement is not being re-negotiated.

The new heads are not in place until October.

There is nothing to negotiate.

It is yet more make-believe for a domestic audience, a pre-text upon which to shift the blame for their own failure to deliver.

Perhaps you should try listening to what the other side says as well.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

This

All that yesterday’s amendment does is weaken a negotiation that I’m sure the new PM will want to open as soon as possible.

Once again we play out our hand in public, tie our hands and shoot ourselves in the foot - and all before the new PM is even in place.

And all brought about because Boris no matter the assumptions on here that he was just gauging the reaction was not prepared to abide by the principle that this countries long held democratic system is not ever to be a dictatorial one but as it is with parliament being sovereign..

Be that arrogance or pandering to the Conservative voters in the ever more radical claims that its brexit at any cost..

The recent poll of said people and what they are prepared to sacrifice, is frightening and should make people wary of the direction of travel that they are and have influenced..

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"In theory could just go to the Queen and ask her to dissolve the parliament to push the no deal through without parliament, no matter what they have voted for?? "

The papers will be lodged in the court before he even gets to the Palace.

Which will be good news for little old queenie - moving the decision from the palace to the courts shields her from an invidious position.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

This

All that yesterday’s amendment does is weaken a negotiation that I’m sure the new PM will want to open as soon as possible.

Once again we play out our hand in public, tie our hands and shoot ourselves in the foot - and all before the new PM is even in place.

No deal is still available.

How does shutting down Parliament make his position stronger? How does this time our hands? All he had to say is that Parliament will not be by-passed, just as May could have done before the Supreme Court ruling against her.

It just makes it legally and morally more dubious doesn't it? In fact, in both cases resisting something that doesn't require fighting leads to a weaker position due to the defeat.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyway we will be out come what may. The EU have got new leaders who's mandate is to push forward in building a superstate.

The UK will only slow them down, so think they will kick us out.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

This

All that yesterday’s amendment does is weaken a negotiation that I’m sure the new PM will want to open as soon as possible.

Once again we play out our hand in public, tie our hands and shoot ourselves in the foot - and all before the new PM is even in place.

Suspending Parliament and the Democratic process should not even be considered as an option even if just to gain negotiating advantage.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In theory could just go to the Queen and ask her to dissolve the parliament to push the no deal through without parliament, no matter what they have voted for?? "
no this is what yesterday’s vote ruled out. Unless you are talking about calling a general election.

As things stand he would lose his seat, so I cannot see him doing that PM for two months then out of Parliament, that would be a record.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

" no this is what yesterday’s vote ruled out. Unless you are talking about calling a general election.

As things stand he would lose his seat, so I cannot see him doing that PM for two months then out of Parliament, that would be a record."

My understanding of what Parliament did yesterday does not preclude the possibility of Johnson suspending Parliament.

What it does do, in the event he does suspend Parliament, is require it to be recalled in October to consider measures contained in the Northern Ireland bill.

That then creates an opening for further amendment to preclude a no deal.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?"
It will not stop the inevitable,there are other ways to to do this

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

Basically remoaners are like Theresa May,losers

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

So what is the positive case for shutting down Parliament and having legislation imposed?

What makes this a good way for government to be run?

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

This

All that yesterday’s amendment does is weaken a negotiation that I’m sure the new PM will want to open as soon as possible.

Once again we play out our hand in public, tie our hands and shoot ourselves in the foot - and all before the new PM is even in place.

Actually the only way to have a strong negotiating position is to rule nothing in, and rule nothing out. Boris is making a rod for his own back by doing exactly what May did - making “red lines.”

May had three years, Boris has three months. May got herself into a poor negotiating position with her red lines and Boris will be in a similar pickle.

To think that taking “no deal” off the table weakens our position is just ludicrous. If we walk away with no deal, we will still in time have to do some kinds of deals but we will have lost all our leverage and strength by then being in a much weaker position. The E.U. are not stupid - we have seen that. They know that a threat to shoot ourselves in each foot and add a kneecapping for good measure, is no threat to them.

Staying in the E.U. to negotiate a deal is the best leverage that we could ever have because we are still there with all the benefits and trade ongoing. Crashing out and purposely putting ourselves into a weaker position is not a good negotiation tactic. Saying that I am prepared to lose my leg because I know you don’t want to lose your big toe is somewhat dumb.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"To think that taking “no deal” off the table weakens our position is just ludicrous. "

try to persuade me that its ludicrous.

I just can't past the position of feeling you are in a weakened position for the other side to know in advance what you can and can not use in that negotiation.

I do business, I go to meetings and pitch. It doesn't feel right to me to have part of my strategy sent to the customer in advance..

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By *obletonMan over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

"A second referendum is inevitable and has been for a year.

Theyll throw it back to the masses.

That's the nuclear option.

Any sniff of a second referendum and the utter bedwetting over "Traitors!!!" and "Betrayal!!!" will start all over again.

The ERG will temporarily align with the Boris Haters in The PCP and do a Julius Caesar on him.

Long term though that probably is their best strategy.

The Tories core constituency has retreated over the years and consists of little more than a few old white dudes these days.

If the Tories ditch them, ditch the libertarian nutjobs in the Tax Payers Alliance, and come out of the closet as a modern centre right pro EU party (which for the most part they actually are in reality), then while they'll definitely lose a few elections in the short term, they'll in a much stronger position long termand be a more united party as a whole.

A General election is more likely because it short sighted kicks the can down the road for the difficult decisions that Tories always have such difficulty in facing up to.

But Boris will have to win big to have any hope whatsoever of uniting his party and having any hope of getting any more concessions out of the EU - and while Labour are looking pretty damp, the TBP are looking to take a bite out of their vote - and no hope of a productive coalition with a bunch of fucking clown shoes like them, they're just storing up more problems for themselves later down the line.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

try to persuade me that its ludicrous.

It's like pointing a gun at your head and threatening to fire. Sure, some of the blood will splatter the EU. But we're the ones who'll be in intensive care - and the EU knows that.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"To think that taking “no deal” off the table weakens our position is just ludicrous.

try to persuade me that its ludicrous.

I just can't past the position of feeling you are in a weakened position for the other side to know in advance what you can and can not use in that negotiation.

I do business, I go to meetings and pitch. It doesn't feel right to me to have part of my strategy sent to the customer in advance.."

I don't like the no deal option, but I can see the argument for having it.

I just don't think that even if we were deadly serious that it's a real weapon as it really does screw us over far more badly.

In most negotiations walking away maintains the status quo. Not in our case.

Putting that to one side and returning to the OP, how does shutting Parliament help our negotiating position?

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By *obletonMan over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

Putting that to one side and returning to the OP, how does shutting Parliament help our negotiating position?"

Now that is an interesting question.

As I understand it, Article 50 was originally conceived as a method for the EU to kick countries out of the union in the event that they elected some sort of authoritarian government or in some other way descended into dictatorship / totalitarianism.

Suspending government - albeit a barely functioning one - could certainly be viewed as a step in that direction - particularly if the PM makes any attemps to exercise any power without the consent of parliament.

If the EU takes that view then they might feel that they had no choice but to use Article 50 in the way that it was originally conceived and kick Britain out without waiting for October 31st

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"To think that taking “no deal” off the table weakens our position is just ludicrous.

try to persuade me that its ludicrous.

I just can't past the position of feeling you are in a weakened position for the other side to know in advance what you can and can not use in that negotiation.

I do business, I go to meetings and pitch. It doesn't feel right to me to have part of my strategy sent to the customer in advance.."

You are missing an important dimension and distinction. In your business negotiations - walking away with our a deal means retaining the status quo - keeping things as they are. Seemingly keeping things as they are (staying in the EU) is not an option.

In the context of our negotiations with the E.U., walking away from a Withdrawal Agreement is also walking away from negotiating a future trade deal and this really means that we are saying.... “I am prepared to lose my leg because I think you losing a toe nail will hurt you more than me losing my whole leg”

For deals to work, everyone needs to feel a benefit and that is why threats rarely achieve sustainable outcomes.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Putting that to one side and returning to the OP, how does shutting Parliament help our negotiating position?

Now that is an interesting question.

If the EU takes that view then they might feel that they had no choice but to use Article 50 in the way that it was originally conceived and kick Britain out without waiting for October 31st

Except that action would create turmoil in this country.

Sit-ins in Parliament and a constitutional crisis.

Probably mass protest, but the peaceful kind with a million or so people which is apparently not considered adequately large or dramatic these days

The EU are perfectly aware that this is a fool's bluff.

Why would the UK screwing itself up lead to the EU doing something to help us?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The problem that I see - is where this is going. Is a general election a good idea if labour win? From where I am sitting, we are currently screwed in all directions.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"The problem that I see - is where this is going. Is a general election a good idea if labour win? From where I am sitting, we are currently screwed in all directions."

It will be hung I think.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Daily Mash summary:

'MPs vote to kick Boris in the nuts pre-emptively

19th July 2019

THE House of Commons has voted to give Boris Johnson a solid boot in the stones before he even starts.

A clear majority of MPs backed an amendment to not even say anything and just kick the incoming prime minister hard in the nadsack, leaving him curled on the floor gasping for breath.

Julian Cook, Tory MP for Swindon South, said: “Theoretically it could be Jeremy Hunt, if he wins the leadership contest and actually has nuts. But we all know it’ll be Boris.

“We’ll see how much chutzpah and charisma he’s got when he’s writhing on the carpet clutching his testicles in agonising pain. And optimism. Don’t forget optimism.

“17 of Boris’s fellow Tories volunteered to unexpectedly hold his arms at the end of a corridor while the chosen striker takes a run-up. Four cabinet ministers have confirmed they would stand by, arms folded, and let it happen.

“Who the actual b*llock-kicker will be is undecided. Probably one of the SNP. In this area you’ve got to defer to the Scots’ authority.”

Cook added: “As a bonus there’ll be no sex scandals for the first fortnight. Which gets us about halfway through Boris’s time in office.”'

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Yes, this analogy of buying a car or a house is bogus.

We are so integrated with the functions of the EU that it is like a patient on a drip threatening to pull it out.

The threat of no deal only works when demonstrably the country can stand on its own two feet.

Instead of spending three years investing in all the stand-alone infrastructure required, the country has assumed it just needs to shout a little louder, stamp its feet a little more, and the EU will roll over and give us a better deal as a non-member.

As failures of governance go, this one is almighty.

Someone drew a comparison with the public schoolboy idiots of WW1 and I think it's fair.

Our ruling class have been exposed as utterly incompetent.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All that yesterday’s amendment does is weaken a negotiation that I’m sure the new PM will want to open as soon as possible.

I(m) laugh at the kleine Englaender stamping their little feet burying a democratic vote.

Sadly the EU has never ever had a plan what would happen if Britain left.

Italy is on the brink of issuing a shadow currency, Hungary can no longer vote on certain EU laws, Poland accepts the billions flowing in their directing and give a nice Italian finger gesture as thanks, Finland the extreme far right are now acceptable, Germany the Adf are cruising to become the 2nd largest party (far right Germany first party)

But do the English press ever give such information ?

So before condemning a person who isn't even yet elected, how about sitting down and reading a German or French newspaper. Suggestion SAZ or Frankfurter Allgemeine and THEN making an opinion.

But stop teaching 2nd languages in Britain is so outdated, so will be difficult

At least the Swiss are showing a bit of backbone and not doing what the EU demands

vive la difference !

What negotiation?

The EU negotiating team is disbanded.

Every single leader of the EU27 says the withdrawal agreement is not being re-negotiated.

The new heads are not in place until October.

There is nothing to negotiate.

It is yet more make-believe for a domestic audience, a pre-text upon which to shift the blame for their own failure to deliver.

Perhaps you should try listening to what the other side says as well.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Assuming Boris becomes PM next week, what is there from stopping him from just letting the clock run down to October 31st and dropping out on a No deal?

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"Assuming Boris becomes PM next week, what is there from stopping him from just letting the clock run down to October 31st and dropping out on a No deal?

Because Parliament won't let him.

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"Assuming Boris becomes PM next week, what is there from stopping him from just letting the clock run down to October 31st and dropping out on a No deal?

Because Parliament won't let him. "

if he just lets the clock run down then there is nothing for parliment to stop though.my guess is he is gona go to the e.u ask to negotiate they say no and he ends up being so obnoxious towards them they wont offer an extension and we leave without a deal by accident or what the goverment will tell us was by accident

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Assuming Boris becomes PM next week, what is there from stopping him from just letting the clock run down to October 31st and dropping out on a No deal?

Because Parliament won't let him. "

How?

Can they basically bring about new laws as long as they get the support?

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"Assuming Boris becomes PM next week, what is there from stopping him from just letting the clock run down to October 31st and dropping out on a No deal?

Because Parliament won't let him.

How?

Can they basically bring about new laws as long as they get the support? "

One of the Opposition parties tables a vote of no confidence in the Government, Conservative MPs cross the floor to support the motion and a GE occurs.

Boris Johnson knows this. He has to get a deal.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Assuming Boris becomes PM next week, what is there from stopping him from just letting the clock run down to October 31st and dropping out on a No deal?

Because Parliament won't let him.

How?

Can they basically bring about new laws as long as they get the support?

One of the Opposition parties tables a vote of no confidence in the Government, Conservative MPs cross the floor to support the motion and a GE occurs.

Boris Johnson knows this. He has to get a deal. "

this is correct... however clock is ticking

there is not likely to be an instant vote of no confidence

reason being.... after a vote of no confidence, the then govt would get 14 days to try and reform a new govt... then if they couldn't do that, then a general election would be called and you would have to have 35 days of campaigning...

which means.... since govt goes on summer recess next thursday... then next time they would be in session would be sept 1st.... they are only in session for a week... then off again for 3 weeks for "party conference season".....

so actually if you were to have the vote of no confidence on sept 3rd... the general election would likely be oct 24th..... 1 week before a no deal brexit!

you are now cutting it fine..... basically whatever Bojo decides to do on summer recess is going to work on which speed they go at

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Assuming Boris becomes PM next week, what is there from stopping him from just letting the clock run down to October 31st and dropping out on a No deal?

Because Parliament won't let him.

How?

Can they basically bring about new laws as long as they get the support?

One of the Opposition parties tables a vote of no confidence in the Government, Conservative MPs cross the floor to support the motion and a GE occurs.

Boris Johnson knows this. He has to get a deal. "

So it's only on the no confidence route to bring down the Government

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Assuming Boris becomes PM next week, what is there from stopping him from just letting the clock run down to October 31st and dropping out on a No deal?

Because Parliament won't let him.

The EU has already said yes. They'll give us a delay to get our crap together...again.

They have no intention of taking the blame it seems.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Like him or hate him he is the most intelligent MP there is and if you think I am just saying this ask some MP's,they dislike him for that reason,not just me saying this."
Hi. The best post of the day. He is a great vote puller and appeals to a very wide cross section of society . His success as mayor of London speaks for itself.

As least Boris has enough respect for people to ensure that the result of the referendum is implemented and lead us to a more prosperous future.

Boris will be to the Conservatives what Tony Blair was to Labour.

The future looks bright and we can see a significant uplift in our pension funds.

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By *obletonMan over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

Like him or hate him he is the most intelligent MP there is and if you think I am just saying this ask some MP's,they dislike him for that reason,not just me saying this."

One of my best friend's brothers works at Conservative Party HQ

His opinion - as an absolutely true blue tory - is that the old "Boris acts like a buffoon on the surface but is actually really intelligent" line - is, in his own rather posh words "a pure confection of Boris' own device"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Like him or hate him he is the most intelligent MP there is and if you think I am just saying this ask some MP's,they dislike him for that reason,not just me saying this. Hi. The best post of the day. He is a great vote puller and appeals to a very wide cross section of society . His success as mayor of London speaks for itself.

As least Boris has enough respect for people to ensure that the result of the referendum is implemented and lead us to a more prosperous future.

Boris will be to the Conservatives what Tony Blair was to Labour.

The future looks bright and we can see a significant uplift in our pension funds. "

It's true. Boris has a great track record as mayor in not getting in the way of wider trends. If we can follow the same trends as other countries (even Italy has a rising equity market) then he will have cleared the bar Brexiteers are now setting which is a short bump to our economy. And it's just a shame MP's have got in the way of delivering the sovereignty we were promised by voting to stop Boris from not letting them have a vote.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

As least Boris has enough respect for people to ensure that the result of the referendum is implemented and lead us to a more prosperous future.

Boris will be to the Conservatives what Tony Blair was to Labour.

The future looks bright and we can see a significant uplift in our pension funds. "

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By *obletonMan over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

The future looks bright and we can see a significant uplift in our pension funds. "

a decent proportion of pension funds are backed by government bonds (i.e government debt)

Bond yields go up when the perceived ability of a country to pay its debts goes down

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The future looks bright and we can see a significant uplift in our pension funds.

a decent proportion of pension funds are backed by government bonds (i.e government debt)

Bond yields go up when the perceived ability of a country to pay its debts goes down"
low interest rates keep equity markets up too...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?"

Makes no difference really, as the default legal position is still that we leave the EU on October 31st without a deal. If we have a resolute Prime minister after Theresa May is gone who is determined to leave the EU on Halloween, there is little Parliament can do about it. The EU negotiates and deals with the Prime minister and the government, not Parliament! There are very few sitting days in Parliament left between now and halloween for a start, and a determined new Prime minister who refuses to ask for a further extension of artice 50 will ensure we leave the EU on October 31st.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?

Sure.

You've said that before more than once.

We'll wait and see.

Why speculate?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Even abstaining in a vote of no confidence will be enough to trigger a possible GE and if its to be Boris as Pm with his ego I think he will at all costs avoid leaving on any date with no deal.. Dont forget there are some labour mps who said they will support it.On daily politics monday a labour mp said that we must leave the eu deal or no deal when asked why she voted against a deal 3 times she said its "playing poker" but now the uncertainty is bad for the country."

I think its more a case of Labour MP's in high voting Leave areas in the Midlands and the North are now shit scared of losing their seats in a general election after the success of the Brexit party in those areas during the European elections. The Brexit party also continue to do well in the polls, while Labour continue to go backwards bogged down with antisemitism and saying they would back remain in another referendum.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Even abstaining in a vote of no confidence will be enough to trigger a possible GE and if its to be Boris as Pm with his ego I think he will at all costs avoid leaving on any date with no deal.. Dont forget there are some labour mps who said they will support it.On daily politics monday a labour mp said that we must leave the eu deal or no deal when asked why she voted against a deal 3 times she said its "playing poker" but now the uncertainty is bad for the country.

The LibDems and Greens seem to be doing extremely well too.

It's almost as if the country remains pretty evenly split isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Even abstaining in a vote of no confidence will be enough to trigger a possible GE and if its to be Boris as Pm with his ego I think he will at all costs avoid leaving on any date with no deal.. Dont forget there are some labour mps who said they will support it.On daily politics monday a labour mp said that we must leave the eu deal or no deal when asked why she voted against a deal 3 times she said its "playing poker" but now the uncertainty is bad for the country.

The LibDems and Greens seem to be doing extremely well too.

It's almost as if the country remains pretty evenly split isn't it?

What i would suggest is you go and look at a breakdown of how constituencies voted in the European elections. If it was a general electon then it would have returned a thumping majority for the Brexit party in the House of Commons.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Even abstaining in a vote of no confidence will be enough to trigger a possible GE and if its to be Boris as Pm with his ego I think he will at all costs avoid leaving on any date with no deal.. Dont forget there are some labour mps who said they will support it.On daily politics monday a labour mp said that we must leave the eu deal or no deal when asked why she voted against a deal 3 times she said its "playing poker" but now the uncertainty is bad for the country.

The LibDems and Greens seem to be doing extremely well too.

It's almost as if the country remains pretty evenly split isn't it?

How well did the brexit party do in the eu elections versus the by election?

As we saw in the election before last, eu representation doesnt always translate to general elections...

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Even abstaining in a vote of no confidence will be enough to trigger a possible GE and if its to be Boris as Pm with his ego I think he will at all costs avoid leaving on any date with no deal.. Dont forget there are some labour mps who said they will support it.On daily politics monday a labour mp said that we must leave the eu deal or no deal when asked why she voted against a deal 3 times she said its "playing poker" but now the uncertainty is bad for the country.

The LibDems and Greens seem to be doing extremely well too.

It's almost as if the country remains pretty evenly split isn't it?

Oh Centaur

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By *athy1Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?

You must have said this many times in the past it’s gone very well so far

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Even abstaining in a vote of no confidence will be enough to trigger a possible GE and if its to be Boris as Pm with his ego I think he will at all costs avoid leaving on any date with no deal.. Dont forget there are some labour mps who said they will support it.On daily politics monday a labour mp said that we must leave the eu deal or no deal when asked why she voted against a deal 3 times she said its "playing poker" but now the uncertainty is bad for the country.

The LibDems and Greens seem to be doing extremely well too.

It's almost as if the country remains pretty evenly split isn't it?

Really? That is complete and utter bollocks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Even abstaining in a vote of no confidence will be enough to trigger a possible GE and if its to be Boris as Pm with his ego I think he will at all costs avoid leaving on any date with no deal.. Dont forget there are some labour mps who said they will support it.On daily politics monday a labour mp said that we must leave the eu deal or no deal when asked why she voted against a deal 3 times she said its "playing poker" but now the uncertainty is bad for the country.

The LibDems and Greens seem to be doing extremely well too.

It's almost as if the country remains pretty evenly split isn't it?

Really? That is complete and utter bollocks

Really? Have you looked at the data of how constituencies voted in the European MEP elections. Rather than bollocks, its a fact that the Brexit party would have had a big majority in the House of Commons had it been a general election.

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By *athy1Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

Even abstaining in a vote of no confidence will be enough to trigger a possible GE and if its to be Boris as Pm with his ego I think he will at all costs avoid leaving on any date with no deal.. Dont forget there are some labour mps who said they will support it.On daily politics monday a labour mp said that we must leave the eu deal or no deal when asked why she voted against a deal 3 times she said its "playing poker" but now the uncertainty is bad for the country.

The LibDems and Greens seem to be doing extremely well too.

It's almost as if the country remains pretty evenly split isn't it?

Really? That is complete and utter bollocks

Oh centaur centaur

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"It was a cross-party group of Scottish parliamentarians who, together with the barrister Jolyon Maugham, secured the ruling by the European Court of Justice that Article 50 could be revoked unilaterally. Next week, a cross-party group led by Scottish and Welsh parliamentarians will raise a further action in the Scottish courts to prevent the prorogation of parliament by an incoming prime minister. If we succeed, this will guarantee more time to resolve the dilemma of how to prevent no deal."

- Joanna Cherry MP, writing in the Financial Times

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By *V-AliceTV/TS over a year ago

Ayr

"Really? Have you looked at the data of how constituencies voted in the European MEP elections. Rather than bollocks, its a fact that the Brexit party would have had a big majority in the House of Commons had it been a general election."

Below is, I suspect, the source of the Gobshite in Chief's 'fact'. As usual, he is wrong.

This is from the Full Fact website; set up to call out politicians - and their supporters - on their lies and bullshit.

"The Electoral Calculus website is widely respected, and Martin Baxter, its founder and CEO, told us they use regression techniques to estimate the geographic spread of support for each party, and how this translates into seats won under the first past the post system. That said, it is, of course, an estimate based on modelling techniques, and no model is perfect.

Martin Baxter, who runs Electoral Calculus, also told us it’s very unlikely that the EU election results would be repeated at a general election."

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

""It was a cross-party group of Scottish parliamentarians who, together with the barrister Jolyon Maugham, secured the ruling by the European Court of Justice that Article 50 could be revoked unilaterally. Next week, a cross-party group led by Scottish and Welsh parliamentarians will raise a further action in the Scottish courts to prevent the prorogation of parliament by an incoming prime minister. If we succeed, this will guarantee more time to resolve the dilemma of how to prevent no deal."

- Joanna Cherry MP, writing in the Financial Times

I don’t know why they don’t just come out and actually say “dilemma of how to prevent brexit”

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

- Joanna Cherry MP, writing in the Financial Times

I don’t know why they don’t just come out and actually say “dilemma of how to prevent brexit”

you could argue that since scotland voted 62-38 against brexit, they are going what is in the going interest of their constituents.....

people like to mention the "17.4 million".... don't tend to mention so much that Scotland and Northern Ireland both voted against.....

that why i have always said that the little englanders would happily (as we have seen) check scotland and northern ireland under the bus for their fabled brexit...

unless bojo now has some miracle solution for the northern ireland border that does blow the good friday agreement apart we haven't heard of yet...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

- Joanna Cherry MP, writing in the Financial Times

I don’t know why they don’t just come out and actually say “dilemma of how to prevent brexit”

Basically they won't just come out and say it because they are cowards.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

- Joanna Cherry MP, writing in the Financial Times

I don’t know why they don’t just come out and actually say “dilemma of how to prevent brexit”

Basically they won't just come out and say it because they are cowards. "

"to prevent the prorogation of parliament"

Parliamentary sovereignty not as important as you claim eh Centaur?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

- Joanna Cherry MP, writing in the Financial Times

I don’t know why they don’t just come out and actually say “dilemma of how to prevent brexit”

Basically they won't just come out and say it because they are cowards.

"to prevent the prorogation of parliament"

Parliamentary sovereignty not as important as you claim eh Centaur?"

You really are off your game this morning and missing all the nuances

Read it again and think about it

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

- Joanna Cherry MP, writing in the Financial Times

I don’t know why they don’t just come out and actually say “dilemma of how to prevent brexit”

Basically they won't just come out and say it because they are cowards.

"to prevent the prorogation of parliament"

Parliamentary sovereignty not as important as you claim eh Centaur?

You really are off your game this morning and missing all the nuances

Read it again and think about it "

Yawn.

Stopping Brexit or not stopping Brexit, arbitrary suspension of democracy is unacceptable.

Imposing no deal which was never envisioned in the Referendum debate is unacceptable.

Nuance isn't required.

You seem desperate to examine the minutiae when the macro issues are far more pressing.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

- Joanna Cherry MP, writing in the Financial Times

I don’t know why they don’t just come out and actually say “dilemma of how to prevent brexit”

Basically they won't just come out and say it because they are cowards.

"to prevent the prorogation of parliament"

Parliamentary sovereignty not as important as you claim eh Centaur?

You really are off your game this morning and missing all the nuances

Read it again and think about it

Yawn.

Stopping Brexit or not stopping Brexit, arbitrary suspension of democracy is unacceptable.

Imposing no deal which was never envisioned in the Referendum debate is unacceptable.

Nuance isn't required.

You seem desperate to examine the minutiae when the macro issues are far more pressing."

Yes yawn!

Simple comment, no minutiae - just blown up out of proportion to fit the never ending drone of “protecting democracy”

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

- Joanna Cherry MP, writing in the Financial Times

I don’t know why they don’t just come out and actually say “dilemma of how to prevent brexit”

Basically they won't just come out and say it because they are cowards.

"to prevent the prorogation of parliament"

Parliamentary sovereignty not as important as you claim eh Centaur?

You really are off your game this morning and missing all the nuances

Read it again and think about it

Yawn.

Stopping Brexit or not stopping Brexit, arbitrary suspension of democracy is unacceptable.

Imposing no deal which was never envisioned in the Referendum debate is unacceptable.

Nuance isn't required.

You seem desperate to examine the minutiae when the macro issues are far more pressing.

Yes yawn!

Simple comment, no minutiae - just blown up out of proportion to fit the never ending drone of “protecting democracy”

That's what Brexit's all about though

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

- Joanna Cherry MP, writing in the Financial Times

I don’t know why they don’t just come out and actually say “dilemma of how to prevent brexit”

Basically they won't just come out and say it because they are cowards.

"to prevent the prorogation of parliament"

Parliamentary sovereignty not as important as you claim eh Centaur?

You really are off your game this morning and missing all the nuances

Read it again and think about it

Yawn.

Stopping Brexit or not stopping Brexit, arbitrary suspension of democracy is unacceptable.

Imposing no deal which was never envisioned in the Referendum debate is unacceptable.

Nuance isn't required.

You seem desperate to examine the minutiae when the macro issues are far more pressing.

Yes yawn!

Simple comment, no minutiae - just blown up out of proportion to fit the never ending drone of “protecting democracy”

That's what Brexit's all about though

Lazy

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

- Joanna Cherry MP, writing in the Financial Times

I don’t know why they don’t just come out and actually say “dilemma of how to prevent brexit”

Basically they won't just come out and say it because they are cowards.

"to prevent the prorogation of parliament"

Parliamentary sovereignty not as important as you claim eh Centaur?

You really are off your game this morning and missing all the nuances

Read it again and think about it

Yawn.

Stopping Brexit or not stopping Brexit, arbitrary suspension of democracy is unacceptable.

Imposing no deal which was never envisioned in the Referendum debate is unacceptable.

Nuance isn't required.

You seem desperate to examine the minutiae when the macro issues are far more pressing.

Yes yawn!

Simple comment, no minutiae - just blown up out of proportion to fit the never ending drone of “protecting democracy”

That's what Brexit's all about though

Lazy

Constructive. Thanks

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

- Joanna Cherry MP, writing in the Financial Times

I don’t know why they don’t just come out and actually say “dilemma of how to prevent brexit”

Basically they won't just come out and say it because they are cowards.

"to prevent the prorogation of parliament"

Parliamentary sovereignty not as important as you claim eh Centaur?

You really are off your game this morning and missing all the nuances

Read it again and think about it

Yawn.

Stopping Brexit or not stopping Brexit, arbitrary suspension of democracy is unacceptable.

Imposing no deal which was never envisioned in the Referendum debate is unacceptable.

Nuance isn't required.

You seem desperate to examine the minutiae when the macro issues are far more pressing.

Yes yawn!

Simple comment, no minutiae - just blown up out of proportion to fit the never ending drone of “protecting democracy”

That's what Brexit's all about though

Lazy

Constructive. Thanks

Fact, no problem, welcome

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

- Joanna Cherry MP, writing in the Financial Times

I don’t know why they don’t just come out and actually say “dilemma of how to prevent brexit”

Basically they won't just come out and say it because they are cowards.

"to prevent the prorogation of parliament"

Parliamentary sovereignty not as important as you claim eh Centaur?

You really are off your game this morning and missing all the nuances

Read it again and think about it

Yawn.

Stopping Brexit or not stopping Brexit, arbitrary suspension of democracy is unacceptable.

Imposing no deal which was never envisioned in the Referendum debate is unacceptable.

Nuance isn't required.

You seem desperate to examine the minutiae when the macro issues are far more pressing."

Thinks have moved on considerably since the referendum in 2016 though haven't they.

The Conservative party general election manifesto (or certainly their campaign message) in 2017 said no deal is better than a bad deal. Pretty clear now with Theresa Mays deal being rejected 3 times in Parliament that it is perceived to be a bad deal, so no deal is a better option if the Conservative party are going to stick to their campaign message.

Also the Brexit party won the European elections just a couple of months ago, campaigning explicitly on a policy of exiting the EU with no deal.

The people are sovereign first above Parliament and the People voted to Leave, so Leave we must. Parliament is there to carry out the instruction of the people. If Parliament can't vote for a deal, then we must leave with no deal.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple over a year ago

Thornaby

- Joanna Cherry MP, writing in the Financial Times

I don’t know why they don’t just come out and actually say “dilemma of how to prevent brexit”

Basically they won't just come out and say it because they are cowards.

"to prevent the prorogation of parliament"

Parliamentary sovereignty not as important as you claim eh Centaur?

You really are off your game this morning and missing all the nuances

Read it again and think about it

Yawn.

Stopping Brexit or not stopping Brexit, arbitrary suspension of democracy is unacceptable.

Imposing no deal which was never envisioned in the Referendum debate is unacceptable.

Nuance isn't required.

You seem desperate to examine the minutiae when the macro issues are far more pressing.

Thinks have moved on considerably since the referendum in 2016 though haven't they.

Also the Brexit party won the European elections just a couple of months ago, campaigning explicitly on a policy of exiting the EU with no deal.

Have you been hitting the cooking sherry?

Any deal is better than no deal.

Parliament is not there to trash the economy, it's there to govern in the best interests of the people.

The only people who will benefit from brexshit are ones with large amounts of liquid assets.

See Grease Smugg for details.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

- Joanna Cherry MP, writing in the Financial Times

I don’t know why they don’t just come out and actually say “dilemma of how to prevent brexit”

Basically they won't just come out and say it because they are cowards.

"to prevent the prorogation of parliament"

Parliamentary sovereignty not as important as you claim eh Centaur?

You really are off your game this morning and missing all the nuances

Read it again and think about it

Yawn.

Stopping Brexit or not stopping Brexit, arbitrary suspension of democracy is unacceptable.

Imposing no deal which was never envisioned in the Referendum debate is unacceptable.

Nuance isn't required.

You seem desperate to examine the minutiae when the macro issues are far more pressing.

Thinks have moved on considerably since the referendum in 2016 though haven't they.

Also the Brexit party won the European elections just a couple of months ago, campaigning explicitly on a policy of exiting the EU with no deal.

Remain supporting parties with a rather more diverse set of policies did just as well.

As much as you wish to ignore that, we've gone over the data on that.

The Conservative party lost its majority based on its manifesto.

No deal was not an option in the referendum which is the only "will of the people" that we have on this matter. Quite the opposite.

Leave won on that basis. Pretending it provides license for something else is not true.

So, again, stop pretending that your way is the only way.

It is not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is good news as they have just voted that it cant get shut down, as no daubt it came after boris wanted to do it, what is your view of it?"

Could ot be wangled somehow? Boris getting the building declared unsafe the day before etc..