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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago
Grantham |
In an upcoming Panorama programme, several EU figures are going to give their take on the Brexit process so far.
One interesting thing to come out, is the offer from Martin Selmayr (Juncker's deputy) to David Liddington, that Brexit be put on hold for 5 years, so that the UK, France and Germany can work out a new deal to keep the UK in.
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"In an upcoming Panorama programme, several EU figures are going to give their take on the Brexit process so far.
One interesting thing to come out, is the offer from Martin Selmayr (Juncker's deputy) to David Liddington, that Brexit be put on hold for 5 years, so that the UK, France and Germany can work out a new deal to keep the UK in.
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I can imagine many going a bit beetroot at that thought  |
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"In an upcoming Panorama programme, several EU figures are going to give their take on the Brexit process so far.
One interesting thing to come out, is the offer from Martin Selmayr (Juncker's deputy) to David Liddington, that Brexit be put on hold for 5 years, so that the UK, France and Germany can work out a new deal to keep the UK in.
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Far too logical |
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I'm sure that some others are looking on thinking ....why the fuck are we in this shit organisation. Watch how the UK pans out and then we will go ..as well ....ask a French person they will vote out ...and at the next French election I can see that happening if a party offers a referendum |
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"In an upcoming Panorama programme, several EU figures are going to give their take on the Brexit process so far.
One interesting thing to come out, is the offer from Martin Selmayr (Juncker's deputy) to David Liddington, that Brexit be put on hold for 5 years, so that the UK, France and Germany can work out a new deal to keep the UK in.
I can imagine many going a bit beetroot at that thought "
Similar colour to an over cooked gammon.. |
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By *ack4NinaCouple
over a year ago
Carmarthen |
"I'm sure that some others are looking on thinking ....why the fuck are we in this shit organisation. Watch how the UK pans out and then we will go ..as well ....ask a French person they will vote out ...and at the next French election I can see that happening if a party offers a referendum "
You obviously have no idea how the French think en mass but you really want them to think like you. So much so you’re willing to make things up in an attempt to make your viewpoint seem plausible. . Truth is...the French are overwhelmingly pro eu.
Brexit = Its the incapable in pursuit of the unobtainable to satisfy the delusional.
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"I'm sure that some others are looking on thinking ....why the fuck are we in this shit organisation. Watch how the UK pans out and then we will go ..as well ....ask a French person they will vote out ...and at the next French election I can see that happening if a party offers a referendum
You obviously have no idea how the French think en mass but you really want them to think like you. So much so you’re willing to make things up in an attempt to make your viewpoint seem plausible. . Truth is...the French are overwhelmingly pro eu.
Brexit = Its the incapable in pursuit of the unobtainable to satisfy the delusional.
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The French wasn't pro eu when the french truckers went on strike and caused all the bother on our shores they are in the eu for the benefits of themselves just like the other members |
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By *ack4NinaCouple
over a year ago
Carmarthen |
"I'm sure that some others are looking on thinking ....why the fuck are we in this shit organisation. Watch how the UK pans out and then we will go ..as well ....ask a French person they will vote out ...and at the next French election I can see that happening if a party offers a referendum
You obviously have no idea how the French think en mass but you really want them to think like you. So much so you’re willing to make things up in an attempt to make your viewpoint seem plausible. . Truth is...the French are overwhelmingly pro eu.
Brexit = Its the incapable in pursuit of the unobtainable to satisfy the delusional.
The French wasn't pro eu when the french truckers went on strike and caused all the bother on our shores they are in the eu for the benefits of themselves just like the other members "
You’ve been divided, conquered and manipulated into thinking that the French lorry drivers striking effecting our shores is anti EU. If they were striking it was for them and the collateral damage on our shores is not their issue. In fact the French have a track record and spine for that sort of that thing...and stand up for themselves a bit better than most. Having worked in France, have family in France in the north and south, having met many 1000s of French people over 40 years or so I can assure you they are overwhelmingl Pro EU. |
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"In an upcoming Panorama programme, several EU figures are going to give their take on the Brexit process so far.
One interesting thing to come out, is the offer from Martin Selmayr (Juncker's deputy) to David Liddington, that Brexit be put on hold for 5 years, so that the UK, France and Germany can work out a new deal to keep the UK in.
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so the uk France Germany can work out a new deal bet the other members are happy about that very democratic lol |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
The vice-president's summary of David Davies - we expected him to have a book of Harry Potter tricks up his sleeve until we realised he had no plan at all like something from Dad's Army - made me laugh. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"In an upcoming Panorama programme, several EU figures are going to give their take on the Brexit process so far.
One interesting thing to come out, is the offer from Martin Selmayr (Juncker's deputy) to David Liddington, that Brexit be put on hold for 5 years, so that the UK, France and Germany can work out a new deal to keep the UK in.
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Panorama allways very biased and inaccurate anyway but get this fact WE ARE LEAVING THE EU exept reality |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"The vice-president's summary of David Davies - we expected him to have a book of Harry Potter tricks up his sleeve until we realised he had no plan at all like something from Dad's Army - made me laugh."
We are leaving forget the plane you remoaners especially in Parliament have forced us to leap off a cliff into shark invested waters,live with it and know you caused it.Better to be in shark infested waters than thee dirty toilet that is the EU
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm sure that some others are looking on thinking ....why the fuck are we in this shit organisation. Watch how the UK pans out and then we will go ..as well ....ask a French person they will vote out ...and at the next French election I can see that happening if a party offers a referendum
You obviously have no idea how the French think en mass but you really want them to think like you. So much so you’re willing to make things up in an attempt to make your viewpoint seem plausible. . Truth is...the French are overwhelmingly pro eu.
Brexit = Its the incapable in pursuit of the unobtainable to satisfy the delusional.
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That is right, with brexit, it shows how many people are delusional, they believe in a fantasy utopia, where they rule the world, it will never happen lol  |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"The vice-president's summary of David Davies - we expected him to have a book of Harry Potter tricks up his sleeve until we realised he had no plan at all like something from Dad's Army - made me laugh.We are leaving forget the plane you remoaners especially in Parliament have forced us to leap off a cliff into shark invested waters,live with it and know you caused it.Better to be in shark infested waters than thee dirty toilet that is the EU"
Lolol still not taking any responsibility for your own incompetence, I see. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The vice-president's summary of David Davies - we expected him to have a book of Harry Potter tricks up his sleeve until we realised he had no plan at all like something from Dad's Army - made me laugh.We are leaving forget the plane you remoaners especially in Parliament have forced us to leap off a cliff into shark invested waters,live with it and know you caused it.Better to be in shark infested waters than thee dirty toilet that is the EU"
Hang on one god dammed minute! Nobody mentioned anything about shark infested waters on the side of the brexit bus or in the brexit holiday brochure.
Let me guess the bold print giveth and the small print taketh away.....
I feel like we booked a holiday in Florida and now we're all off to Syria..  |
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The perspective from the EU is that the UK triggered Brexit, and wants to leave the EU.
The UK must honour previous promises and signed agreements like the good friday agreement.
The UK is the one that decides what it wants to do, presents anything at all it wants to the EU.
The EU has accepted several "agreements" and each one has been then refused by the UK after presenting it.
The UK can now uphold its integrity or go a no deal. Its up to the UK.
The EU is preparing for several possibilities right now, one of them is the UK coming back to the EU, but also they are preparing for the destruction of the good friday agreement, and have put in place a mechanisim for the EU and the US to recognise the north as part of the Republic as soon as that happens. They are also preparing for a northern Ireland temporarily aligned with EU rules, and preparing for a mid sea check point between UK and Ireland.
There is still a feeling in some EU countries that the UK will reverse brexit, there are a few countries that feel the process should be allowed take much longer and these scenarios can not be discarded as it will be the UK that decides so the EU has to take all these scenarios into account and do initial planning for them.
Most of the EU thinks there is going to be a no deal, and its about 50/50 for the GFA being torn up by the UK now they have to stand up and do their part of it. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Yes, leaving the EU has always been in the control of the UK.
Except its cheerleaders continually promise things that are not in the UK's control and never have been - what the EU and the rest of the world will do for us once the UK does leave.
I just wish they would set out what THEY intend to do improve the UK, instead of continually setting out what others are going to do for them.
Every time they do it leaves egg on their faces. |
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"The vice-president's summary of David Davies - we expected him to have a book of Harry Potter tricks up his sleeve until we realised he had no plan at all like something from Dad's Army - made me laugh.We are leaving forget the plane you remoaners especially in Parliament have forced us to leap off a cliff into shark invested waters,live with it and know you caused it.Better to be in shark infested waters than thee dirty toilet that is the EU
Hang on one god dammed minute! Nobody mentioned anything about shark infested waters on the side of the brexit bus or in the brexit holiday brochure.
Let me guess the bold print giveth and the small print taketh away.....
I feel like we booked a holiday in Florida and now we're all off to Syria.. "
bob there’s nowt wrong with Syria it must be good plenty left theses shores to go live there few yrs back it’s the new beni lol |
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"The vice-president's summary of David Davies - we expected him to have a book of Harry Potter tricks up his sleeve until we realised he had no plan at all like something from Dad's Army - made me laugh.We are leaving forget the plane you remoaners especially in Parliament have forced us to leap off a cliff into shark invested waters,live with it and know you caused it.Better to be in shark infested waters than thee dirty toilet that is the EU
Hang on one god dammed minute! Nobody mentioned anything about shark infested waters on the side of the brexit bus or in the brexit holiday brochure.
Let me guess the bold print giveth and the small print taketh away.....
I feel like we booked a holiday in Florida and now we're all off to Syria.. bob there’s nowt wrong with Syria it must be good plenty left theses shores to go live there few yrs back it’s the new beni lol"
It's a package holiday destination .The only issue is you have to strap the package to yourself once you get there.. |
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"The vice-president's summary of David Davies - we expected him to have a book of Harry Potter tricks up his sleeve until we realised he had no plan at all like something from Dad's Army - made me laugh.We are leaving forget the plane you remoaners especially in Parliament have forced us to leap off a cliff into shark invested waters,live with it and know you caused it.Better to be in shark infested waters than thee dirty toilet that is the EU"
Taking back control.. 
Stop trying to rewrite the truth.. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"The vice-president's summary of David Davies - we expected him to have a book of Harry Potter tricks up his sleeve until we realised he had no plan at all like something from Dad's Army - made me laugh.We are leaving forget the plane you remoaners especially in Parliament have forced us to leap off a cliff into shark invested waters,live with it and know you caused it.Better to be in shark infested waters than thee dirty toilet that is the EU
Lolol still not taking any responsibility for your own incompetence, I see. "
How can I be incompetent in this I am just a voter like you.The difference is I understand your views,you are not well mannered enough to even try to understand other views that disagree with you.i am as democrat you are not simple.Need to keep it simple for you lol |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Yes, leaving the EU has always been in the control of the UK.
Except its cheerleaders continually promise things that are not in the UK's control and never have been - what the EU and the rest of the world will do for us once the UK does leave.
I just wish they would set out what THEY intend to do improve the UK, instead of continually setting out what others are going to do for them.
Every time they do it leaves egg on their faces."
You have no understanding of the issues |
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"I'm sure that some others are looking on thinking ....why the fuck are we in this shit organisation. Watch how the UK pans out and then we will go ..as well ....ask a French person they will vote out ...and at the next French election I can see that happening if a party offers a referendum
You obviously have no idea how the French think en mass but you really want them to think like you. So much so you’re willing to make things up in an attempt to make your viewpoint seem plausible. . Truth is...the French are overwhelmingly pro eu.
Brexit = Its the incapable in pursuit of the unobtainable to satisfy the delusional.
That is right, with brexit, it shows how many people are delusional, they believe in a fantasy utopia, where they rule the world, it will never happen lol same old shag tapped in the head "
Tap his head and there is a hollow sound! Lol |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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Lolol still not taking any responsibility for your own incompetence, I see. How can I be incompetent in this I am just a voter like you.The difference is I understand your views,you are not well mannered enough to even try to understand other views that disagree with you.i am as democrat you are not simple.Need to keep it simple for you lol"
Where was the plan in 2016?
There wasn't one.
Where is the plan in 2019?
There isn't one.
Just rhetoric.
This is from the same BBC programme:
"I was very much under the view that there would be somewhere in No 10 a very small, very secret group, putting together an almighty chart, a big plan of how we were going to negotiate and crucially what our overall objectives were. So, the prime minister - rather like a Bond villain - would be sitting with her white cat on her lap with this big plan behind her. I'd love to say that that room existed. I never found it."
- Lord Bridges, Brexit Minister, 2016-17
After three years, the Brexit brigade still cannot agree what it is even supposed to look like.
So now we are down to the desperate stuff - just leave and to hell with the consequences.
I'm being polite describing it as incompetence.
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Van Der Leyen has laid out her stall :
“ A common consolidated corporate tax base would provide businesses with a single rulebook to compute their corporate tax base in the European Union. This is a longstanding project of the European Parliament and I will fight to make it a reality.”
"I will make use of the clauses in the Treaties that allow proposals on taxation to be adopted by co-decision and decided by qualified majority voting in the Council."
This could be very bad economically for Ireland... however in order for the system to change to qualified majority they would have to unanimously vote for it
Unless of course they have a shot at changing it in a similar manner to the way they changed away from the Spitzenkandidaten system and instead had 3 days of closed door meetings to decide she would be the candidate on the ballot
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"The vice-president's summary of David Davies - we expected him to have a book of Harry Potter tricks up his sleeve until we realised he had no plan at all like something from Dad's Army - made me laugh.We are leaving forget the plane you remoaners especially in Parliament have forced us to leap off a cliff into shark invested waters,live with it and know you caused it.Better to be in shark infested waters than thee dirty toilet that is the EU
Lolol still not taking any responsibility for your own incompetence, I see. How can I be incompetent in this I am just a voter like you.The difference is I understand your views,you are not well mannered enough to even try to understand other views that disagree with you.i am as democrat you are not simple.Need to keep it simple for you lol"
Even when you want to spit in tge faces of people who voted a different way to you, that sort of understanding and pray tell what tyoe of democracy is that you adhere to? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Van Der Leyen has laid out her stall :
“ A common consolidated corporate tax base would provide businesses with a single rulebook to compute their corporate tax base in the European Union. This is a longstanding project of the European Parliament and I will fight to make it a reality.”
"I will make use of the clauses in the Treaties that allow proposals on taxation to be adopted by co-decision and decided by qualified majority voting in the Council."
This could be very bad economically for Ireland... however in order for the system to change to qualified majority they would have to unanimously vote for it
Unless of course they have a shot at changing it in a similar manner to the way they changed away from the Spitzenkandidaten system and instead had 3 days of closed door meetings to decide she would be the candidate on the ballot
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Yep could do that if macron and merkel want and end up with a second choice. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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so the uk France Germany can work out a new deal bet the other members are happy about that very democratic lol"
Bit like England deciding what is in the interests of the United Kingdom.
Except, unlike the United Kingdom, the other countries can get together and block it.
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so the uk France Germany can work out a new deal bet the other members are happy about that very democratic lol
Bit like England deciding what is in the interests of the United Kingdom.
Except, unlike the United Kingdom, the other countries can get together and block it.
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aw did the other countries vote on France and Germany doing a deal with the uk on there behalf then great should be a doddle lol |
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"In an upcoming Panorama programme, several EU figures are going to give their take on the Brexit process so far.
One interesting thing to come out, is the offer from Martin Selmayr (Juncker's deputy) to David Liddington, that Brexit be put on hold for 5 years, so that the UK, France and Germany can work out a new deal to keep the UK in.
Panorama allways very biased and inaccurate anyway but get this fact WE ARE LEAVING THE EU exept reality"
We'll see. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
At least the french president hollande was honest "if we did not make it difficult for the uk to leave others would want to follow and it would be the end of the eu".something we have known all along but guess he can say it now hes no longer president. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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the taxation thing is actually not that far away from what the UK actually wants to do... which is set up an international framework to stop multinational companies from shifting around sales in one country to money in others to get round paying taxes.....
so for example if amazon were to sell something in the uk, it would be taxed in the uk...
but like most things you need other countries to have the same rules... which is where the EU are going to be able to set up a multi-national framework for 27 countries!!!!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"the taxation thing is actually not that far away from what the UK actually wants to do... which is set up an international framework to stop multinational companies from shifting around sales in one country to money in others to get round paying taxes.....
so for example if amazon were to sell something in the uk, it would be taxed in the uk...
but like most things you need other countries to have the same rules... which is where the EU are going to be able to set up a multi-national framework for 27 countries!!!!
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A sales tax? What you mean like vat!.
Great that should sort the problem out |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
Interesting programme but not just a view from the EU side but a view from our side as well ,,,,, The EU looking at us and thinking they've called a referendum and now they have absolutely no idea what to do ,,,,,, and us looking at the EU and thinking we've called a referendum and now we have absolutely no idea what to do |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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aw did the other countries vote on France and Germany doing a deal with the uk on there behalf then great should be a doddle lol"
The record of the EU27 on Brexit these last three years is one of unity and consistency.
They do not want the UK to leave but recognise it is a sovereign decision of the UK.
That has been repeated over and over again by all 27.
The only union that is divided and consumed by rancour is the union of the British isles.
It cannot even agree amongst itself what it wants to do, so any negotiation with a third party is doomed to fail, as Mrs May discovered.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"At least the french president hollande was honest "if we did not make it difficult for the uk to leave others would want to follow and it would be the end of the eu".something we have known all along but guess he can say it now hes no longer president."
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It's also been said throughout by various national leaders - the UK cannot have better terms with the EU on the outside than it has on the inside.
It's been obvious to most rational people since this idea was first put forward. Only the deluded fell for the delusion.
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Saw some of it and it seemed very clear just how inept the UK conservatives have been, whilst the EU members have consolidated their strengths in effective response to a fully predicted act of self-harm by the UK, following voting puppets, who had their strings pulled by unbelievably wealthy overlords, in what has already become the outdated reflection of a bygone era's public mood. Gullibility had a short shelf, although some public Pinocchios were as equally inept as their duplicitous puppet masters are morally bankrupt. |
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"In an upcoming Panorama programme, several EU figures are going to give their take on the Brexit process so far.
One interesting thing to come out, is the offer from Martin Selmayr (Juncker's deputy) to David Liddington, that Brexit be put on hold for 5 years, so that the UK, France and Germany can work out a new deal to keep the UK in.
Panorama allways very biased and inaccurate anyway but get this fact WE ARE LEAVING THE EU exept reality"
Did you mean "accept reality" or "except really"? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"the taxation thing is actually not that far away from what the UK actually wants to do... which is set up an international framework to stop multinational companies from shifting around sales in one country to money in others to get round paying taxes.....
so for example if amazon were to sell something in the uk, it would be taxed in the uk...
but like most things you need other countries to have the same rules... which is where the EU are going to be able to set up a multi-national framework for 27 countries!!!!
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We can d this with the EU but we do not have tgo be members,nobody seems to think outside the box |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"At least the french president hollande was honest "if we did not make it difficult for the uk to leave others would want to follow and it would be the end of the eu".something we have known all along but guess he can say it now hes no longer president.
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It's also been said throughout by various national leaders - the UK cannot have better terms with the EU on the outside than it has on the inside.
It's been obvious to most rational people since this idea was first put forward. Only the deluded fell for the delusion.
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We are still part of Europe and should work closely with Europe but not part of there state,just common sense but it is lacking.Efta was great the,the origobnal set up was great butthe one state idea is pure fantasy it will collapse we MUST get out. |
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"the taxation thing is actually not that far away from what the UK actually wants to do... which is set up an international framework to stop multinational companies from shifting around sales in one country to money in others to get round paying taxes.....
so for example if amazon were to sell something in the uk, it would be taxed in the uk...
but like most things you need other countries to have the same rules... which is where the EU are going to be able to set up a multi-national framework for 27 countries!!!!
We can d this with the EU but we do not have tgo be members,nobody seems to think outside the box"
This is what we were promised by the leave campaigns. A norway+ or canada++ deal. But theresa mays red lines or the right wing of the tory party mean neither of those are practical. |
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By *ertwoCouple
over a year ago
omagh |
"I'm sure that some others are looking on thinking ....why the fuck are we in this shit organisation. Watch how the UK pans out and then we will go ..as well ....ask a French person they will vote out ...and at the next French election I can see that happening if a party offers a referendum "
Well said. We do not need a deal paying the EU billion after billion if we can aford to pay them that we can prosper on our own. After all a trade deal is not needed to trade with the EU. And what Mrs May lied about was not a trade deal it was a list of EU demands they want placed in UK law before they tell us what there trade demands will be. At which point we will have no right to walk away. We will be like good fabers bend over and take it up the ass lol. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I haven't watched the Panorama episode yet.
The BBC 2 documentary "Inside Europe: Ten Years of Turmoil", 3 part series, may also be of interest.
I think its still available on iplayer
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That was an interesting 3 part documentary |
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