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So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I found it funny while listening to Nigel Farage's radio show on LBC that someone had the nerve, the gaul, the down right audacity to phone in the show and tell the truth about Farage's lies when he calls it undemocratic even when he's currently there and would have cast his own vote 
Old Farage had such a gammon moment he told the caller to shut up then cut him off 
How dare anyone call out Farage's lies live on Farage's own radio show, it was very amusing |
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
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I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
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There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
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Too complicated so it can't be happening |
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
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And that one name has been chosen by The European Council who are the heads of state / governments that have been democratically elected by their respective people in their own countries.
The democratically elected MEP's then vote on the European Councils proposal and they can vote NO as well as Yes |
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening "
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name? |
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"Farage was brilliant in the EU chambers today
I bet he was a complete tool and shamed our nation. Again.
Indeed, a brilliant toss pot  "
I'd love to give him some frank and robust feedback while casually drinking a milkshake. |
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"Farage was brilliant in the EU chambers today
I bet he was a complete tool and shamed our nation. Again.
Indeed, a brilliant toss pot
I'd love to give him some frank and robust feedback while casually drinking a milkshake."
Hi. I think he has already had the only feedback that matters in a democratic society . This feedback is reflected in the results of the recent EU elections .
To achieve the result that he achieved from a standing start is nothing short of incredible .
The only result that matters is that which is achieved on the day of the election. |
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"Farage was brilliant in the EU chambers today
I bet he was a complete tool and shamed our nation. Again.
Indeed, a brilliant toss pot
I'd love to give him some frank and robust feedback while casually drinking a milkshake. Hi. I think he has already had the only feedback that matters in a democratic society . This feedback is reflected in the results of the recent EU elections .
To achieve the result that he achieved from a standing start is nothing short of incredible .
The only result that matters is that which is achieved on the day of the election. "
[Snort]. Once again you fail to understand democracy and life for that matter.
Stop embarrassing yourself. |
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"Farage was brilliant in the EU chambers today
I bet he was a complete tool and shamed our nation. Again.
Indeed, a brilliant toss pot
I'd love to give him some frank and robust feedback while casually drinking a milkshake. Hi. I think he has already had the only feedback that matters in a democratic society . This feedback is reflected in the results of the recent EU elections .
To achieve the result that he achieved from a standing start is nothing short of incredible .
The only result that matters is that which is achieved on the day of the election.
[Snort]. Once again you fail to understand democracy and life for that matter.
Stop embarrassing yourself."
. Fit now I think I will be accepting the results . It is hardly any different to during exams in real life . What matters is the result on the day.
Most people if they achieved what Nigel Farage has achieved would be happy with the end result.
It is difficult to see why people should accept your opinion as opposed to the endorsement of his party on the day of the election |
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"Farage was brilliant in the EU chambers today
I bet he was a complete tool and shamed our nation. Again.
Indeed, a brilliant toss pot
I'd love to give him some frank and robust feedback while casually drinking a milkshake. Hi. I think he has already had the only feedback that matters in a democratic society . This feedback is reflected in the results of the recent EU elections .
To achieve the result that he achieved from a standing start is nothing short of incredible .
The only result that matters is that which is achieved on the day of the election.
[Snort]. Once again you fail to understand democracy and life for that matter.
Stop embarrassing yourself. . Fit now I think I will be accepting the results . It is hardly any different to during exams in real life . What matters is the result on the day.
Most people if they achieved what Nigel Farage has achieved would be happy with the end result.
It is difficult to see why people should accept your opinion as opposed to the endorsement of his party on the day of the election "
If an elected government destroyed the country would you expect a vote of no confidence?
If someone had a good job interview and then couldn't deliver would you expect them to pass probation.
Think a little bit maybe? |
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"Farage was brilliant in the EU chambers today
I bet he was a complete tool and shamed our nation. Again.
Indeed, a brilliant toss pot
I'd love to give him some frank and robust feedback while casually drinking a milkshake. Hi. I think he has already had the only feedback that matters in a democratic society . This feedback is reflected in the results of the recent EU elections .
To achieve the result that he achieved from a standing start is nothing short of incredible .
The only result that matters is that which is achieved on the day of the election.
[Snort]. Once again you fail to understand democracy and life for that matter.
Stop embarrassing yourself. . Fit now I think I will be accepting the results . It is hardly any different to during exams in real life . What matters is the result on the day.
Most people if they achieved what Nigel Farage has achieved would be happy with the end result.
It is difficult to see why people should accept your opinion as opposed to the endorsement of his party on the day of the election
If an elected government destroyed the country would you expect a vote of no confidence?
If someone had a good job interview and then couldn't deliver would you expect them to pass probation.
Think a little bit maybe?"
However no one is suggesting that his policies would damage the economy. Maybe you have confused him with John Mc Dowell? . As the job interview to which you refer has been undertaken by million of voters we do not have to worry about their judgement being wrong .
He will have a very talented team under his belt to deliver the promises made. |
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"Farage was brilliant in the EU chambers today
I bet he was a complete tool and shamed our nation. Again.
Indeed, a brilliant toss pot
I'd love to give him some frank and robust feedback while casually drinking a milkshake. Hi. I think he has already had the only feedback that matters in a democratic society . This feedback is reflected in the results of the recent EU elections .
To achieve the result that he achieved from a standing start is nothing short of incredible .
The only result that matters is that which is achieved on the day of the election.
[Snort]. Once again you fail to understand democracy and life for that matter.
Stop embarrassing yourself. . Fit now I think I will be accepting the results . It is hardly any different to during exams in real life . What matters is the result on the day.
Most people if they achieved what Nigel Farage has achieved would be happy with the end result.
It is difficult to see why people should accept your opinion as opposed to the endorsement of his party on the day of the election
If an elected government destroyed the country would you expect a vote of no confidence?
If someone had a good job interview and then couldn't deliver would you expect them to pass probation.
Think a little bit maybe? However no one is suggesting that his policies would damage the economy. Maybe you have confused him with John Mc Dowell? . As the job interview to which you refer has been undertaken by million of voters we do not have to worry about their judgement being wrong .
He will have a very talented team under his belt to deliver the promises made. "
Are you sure no-one's suggested that? Are you sure that we shouldn't worry? |
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"Farage was brilliant in the EU chambers today
I bet he was a complete tool and shamed our nation. Again.
Indeed, a brilliant toss pot
I'd love to give him some frank and robust feedback while casually drinking a milkshake. Hi. I think he has already had the only feedback that matters in a democratic society . This feedback is reflected in the results of the recent EU elections .
To achieve the result that he achieved from a standing start is nothing short of incredible .
The only result that matters is that which is achieved on the day of the election.
[Snort]. Once again you fail to understand democracy and life for that matter.
Stop embarrassing yourself. . Fit now I think I will be accepting the results . It is hardly any different to during exams in real life . What matters is the result on the day.
Most people if they achieved what Nigel Farage has achieved would be happy with the end result.
It is difficult to see why people should accept your opinion as opposed to the endorsement of his party on the day of the election
If an elected government destroyed the country would you expect a vote of no confidence?
If someone had a good job interview and then couldn't deliver would you expect them to pass probation.
Think a little bit maybe? However no one is suggesting that his policies would damage the economy. Maybe you have confused him with John Mc Dowell? . As the job interview to which you refer has been undertaken by million of voters we do not have to worry about their judgement being wrong .
He will have a very talented team under his belt to deliver the promises made. "
Plenty of people are suggesting that his policies would damage the economy.....how did you get to be so utterly clueless? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Farage was brilliant in the EU chambers today
I bet he was a complete tool and shamed our nation. Again.
Indeed, a brilliant toss pot
I'd love to give him some frank and robust feedback while casually drinking a milkshake. Hi. I think he has already had the only feedback that matters in a democratic society . This feedback is reflected in the results of the recent EU elections .
To achieve the result that he achieved from a standing start is nothing short of incredible .
The only result that matters is that which is achieved on the day of the election.
[Snort]. Once again you fail to understand democracy and life for that matter.
Stop embarrassing yourself. . Fit now I think I will be accepting the results . It is hardly any different to during exams in real life . What matters is the result on the day.
Most people if they achieved what Nigel Farage has achieved would be happy with the end result.
It is difficult to see why people should accept your opinion as opposed to the endorsement of his party on the day of the election
If an elected government destroyed the country would you expect a vote of no confidence?
If someone had a good job interview and then couldn't deliver would you expect them to pass probation.
Think a little bit maybe? However no one is suggesting that his policies would damage the economy. Maybe you have confused him with John Mc Dowell? . As the job interview to which you refer has been undertaken by million of voters we do not have to worry about their judgement being wrong .
He will have a very talented team under his belt to deliver the promises made. "
I'm actually really looking forward to the start Boris's tenure unlike any new PM we've ever had in my lifetime |
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?"
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose. "
There was a stand-off with all candidates unacceptable.
They went to a Plan B. All names were still chosen by the elected governments.
All candidates could have been voted down.
Another "undemocratic" election with a free vote |
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose. "
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no? |
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose.
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no? "
Something similar to the election of the leader in Hong Kong. The population get a final appointment decision/free vote on candidates that have to be pre-approved by a specialist committee |
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose.
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no?
Something similar to the election of the leader in Hong Kong. The population get a final appointment decision/free vote on candidates that have to be pre-approved by a specialist committee"
Which can be rejected democratically, I really don't see the problem as the final decisions based on a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's |
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose.
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no?
Something similar to the election of the leader in Hong Kong. The population get a final appointment decision/free vote on candidates that have to be pre-approved by a specialist committee
Which can be rejected democratically, I really don't see the problem as the final decisions based on a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's "
Not quite, if the candidates that are on the ballot have all essentially been vetted by the pro-Beijing special committee.
In other words, yes you can have democracy and chose who you want, from a list of candidates we have selected for you.
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Also worth noting that 16 and 17 year olds were not allowed to vote in the EU referendum , are not allowed to vote in General Election or council elections ,,, but ,,, 16&17 year old boys&girls who are members of the Conservative party have been given a vote in directly electing our next prime minister |
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose.
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no?
Something similar to the election of the leader in Hong Kong. The population get a final appointment decision/free vote on candidates that have to be pre-approved by a specialist committee
Which can be rejected democratically, I really don't see the problem as the final decisions based on a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's
Not quite, if the candidates that are on the ballot have all essentially been vetted by the pro-Beijing special committee.
In other words, yes you can have democracy and chose who you want, from a list of candidates we have selected for you.
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose.
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no?
Something similar to the election of the leader in Hong Kong. The population get a final appointment decision/free vote on candidates that have to be pre-approved by a specialist committee
Which can be rejected democratically, I really don't see the problem as the final decisions based on a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's
Not quite, if the candidates that are on the ballot have all essentially been vetted by the pro-Beijing special committee.
In other words, yes you can have democracy and chose who you want, from a list of candidates we have selected for you.
So how many Conservative candidates do you get to choose from on your General Election ballot paper? "
I get a choice of political parties on the ballot paper, who have different views and stand for different values ..
In the case of HK, the candidates are essentially all pro-Beijing - one set of values
The Eu top job - yes a democratic choice, but no other choice if their brand of values/ideals is not your cup of tea
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose.
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no?
Something similar to the election of the leader in Hong Kong. The population get a final appointment decision/free vote on candidates that have to be pre-approved by a specialist committee
Which can be rejected democratically, I really don't see the problem as the final decisions based on a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's
Not quite, if the candidates that are on the ballot have all essentially been vetted by the pro-Beijing special committee.
In other words, yes you can have democracy and chose who you want, from a list of candidates we have selected for you.
So how many Conservative candidates do you get to choose from on your General Election ballot paper?
I get a choice of political parties on the ballot paper, who have different views and stand for different values ..
In the case of HK, the candidates are essentially all pro-Beijing - one set of values
The Eu top job - yes a democratic choice, but no other choice if their brand of values/ideals is not your cup of tea
Quite different "
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose.
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no?
Something similar to the election of the leader in Hong Kong. The population get a final appointment decision/free vote on candidates that have to be pre-approved by a specialist committee"
The "special committee" is made up of governments directly elected by each population.
The Council of Ministers is how countries assert their national sovereignty in the EU.
The nominees are put forward by our governments and then approved or rejected by those directly elected by is in the European Parliament. |
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose.
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no?
Something similar to the election of the leader in Hong Kong. The population get a final appointment decision/free vote on candidates that have to be pre-approved by a specialist committee
The "special committee" is made up of governments directly elected by each population.
The Council of Ministers is how countries assert their national sovereignty in the EU.
The nominees are put forward by our governments and then approved or rejected by those directly elected by is in the European Parliament."
You haven’t understood. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose.
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no?
Something similar to the election of the leader in Hong Kong. The population get a final appointment decision/free vote on candidates that have to be pre-approved by a specialist committee
The "special committee" is made up of governments directly elected by each population.
The Council of Ministers is how countries assert their national sovereignty in the EU.
The nominees are put forward by our governments and then approved or rejected by those directly elected by is in the European Parliament.
You haven’t understood. "
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose.
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no?
Something similar to the election of the leader in Hong Kong. The population get a final appointment decision/free vote on candidates that have to be pre-approved by a specialist committee
The "special committee" is made up of governments directly elected by each population.
The Council of Ministers is how countries assert their national sovereignty in the EU.
The nominees are put forward by our governments and then approved or rejected by those directly elected by is in the European Parliament.
You haven’t understood.
Then you haven't explained "
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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The Eu top job - yes a democratic choice, but no other choice if their brand of values/ideals is not your cup of tea
Quite different "
thats not true... because if they had voted NO, then it would have under the rules have been back to square 1 and the heads of state would have had to come up with a different person....
but lets not let fact get in the way of the narrative you are trying to falsely forward...
as you will....... |
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The Eu top job - yes a democratic choice, but no other choice if their brand of values/ideals is not your cup of tea
Quite different
thats not true... because if they had voted NO, then it would have under the rules have been back to square 1 and the heads of state would have had to come up with a different person....
but lets not let fact get in the way of the narrative you are trying to falsely forward...
as you will......."
Agree. They had the choice of like it not like ... and had she not achieved 374 or more then yes back to the drawing board .
Off back to the closed door meetings to come up with another candidate.
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The Eu top job - yes a democratic choice, but no other choice if their brand of values/ideals is not your cup of tea
Quite different
thats not true... because if they had voted NO, then it would have under the rules have been back to square 1 and the heads of state would have had to come up with a different person....
but lets not let fact get in the way of the narrative you are trying to falsely forward...
as you will......."
Fabio, like a lot of things Brexit related, it's the democratically elected undemocratically unelected nonsense that basically makes no sense, but they've been told it does make sense by people that tell them what narrative they should persue, so the follow, no matter where the ludicrous Road leads them. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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The Eu top job - yes a democratic choice, but no other choice if their brand of values/ideals is not your cup of tea
Quite different
thats not true... because if they had voted NO, then it would have under the rules have been back to square 1 and the heads of state would have had to come up with a different person....
but lets not let fact get in the way of the narrative you are trying to falsely forward...
as you will.......
Agree. They had the choice of like it not like ... and had she not achieved 374 or more then yes back to the drawing board .
Off back to the closed door meetings to come up with another candidate.
"
yep... just like any law here... if it doesn't get enough votes for... it goes back.... case in point the WA Bill.... |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose.
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no?
Something similar to the election of the leader in Hong Kong. The population get a final appointment decision/free vote on candidates that have to be pre-approved by a specialist committee
The "special committee" is made up of governments directly elected by each population.
The Council of Ministers is how countries assert their national sovereignty in the EU.
The nominees are put forward by our governments and then approved or rejected by those directly elected by is in the European Parliament.
You haven’t understood.
Then you haven't explained
Stop being lazy and go think about it properly "
The only point that you seem to be making is that a committee selects the candidates.
The difference, which I pointed out, is that Hong Kong's committee is selected by China which has no internal democracy. The EU chooses its candidates through the representatives of democratically elected governments.
If you are trying to make some other point then make it rather than trying to patronise. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
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The Eu top job - yes a democratic choice, but no other choice if their brand of values/ideals is not your cup of tea
Quite different
thats not true... because if they had voted NO, then it would have under the rules have been back to square 1 and the heads of state would have had to come up with a different person....
but lets not let fact get in the way of the narrative you are trying to falsely forward...
as you will.......
Agree. They had the choice of like it not like ... and had she not achieved 374 or more then yes back to the drawing board .
Off back to the closed door meetings to come up with another candidate.
"
Shall we discuss the open meetings with the DUP where no money was even offered? |
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose.
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no?
Something similar to the election of the leader in Hong Kong. The population get a final appointment decision/free vote on candidates that have to be pre-approved by a specialist committee
The "special committee" is made up of governments directly elected by each population.
The Council of Ministers is how countries assert their national sovereignty in the EU.
The nominees are put forward by our governments and then approved or rejected by those directly elected by is in the European Parliament.
You haven’t understood.
Then you haven't explained
Stop being lazy and go think about it properly
The only point that you seem to be making is that a committee selects the candidates.
The difference, which I pointed out, is that Hong Kong's committee is selected by China which has no internal democracy. The EU chooses its candidates through the representatives of democratically elected governments.
If you are trying to make some other point then make it rather than trying to patronise."
And you still haven’t understood the nuance of it |
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The Eu top job - yes a democratic choice, but no other choice if their brand of values/ideals is not your cup of tea
Quite different
thats not true... because if they had voted NO, then it would have under the rules have been back to square 1 and the heads of state would have had to come up with a different person....
but lets not let fact get in the way of the narrative you are trying to falsely forward...
as you will.......
Agree. They had the choice of like it not like ... and had she not achieved 374 or more then yes back to the drawing board .
Off back to the closed door meetings to come up with another candidate.
Shall we discuss the open meetings with the DUP where no money was even offered?"
Why? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose.
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no?
Something similar to the election of the leader in Hong Kong. The population get a final appointment decision/free vote on candidates that have to be pre-approved by a specialist committee
The "special committee" is made up of governments directly elected by each population.
The Council of Ministers is how countries assert their national sovereignty in the EU.
The nominees are put forward by our governments and then approved or rejected by those directly elected by is in the European Parliament.
You haven’t understood.
Then you haven't explained
Stop being lazy and go think about it properly
The only point that you seem to be making is that a committee selects the candidates.
The difference, which I pointed out, is that Hong Kong's committee is selected by China which has no internal democracy. The EU chooses its candidates through the representatives of democratically elected governments.
If you are trying to make some other point then make it rather than trying to patronise.
And you still haven’t understood the nuance of it "
There's no purpose in making a point if it is not clear.
Well done explaining |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
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The Eu top job - yes a democratic choice, but no other choice if their brand of values/ideals is not your cup of tea
Quite different
thats not true... because if they had voted NO, then it would have under the rules have been back to square 1 and the heads of state would have had to come up with a different person....
but lets not let fact get in the way of the narrative you are trying to falsely forward...
as you will.......
Agree. They had the choice of like it not like ... and had she not achieved 374 or more then yes back to the drawing board .
Off back to the closed door meetings to come up with another candidate.
Shall we discuss the open meetings with the DUP where no money was even offered?
Why?"
Because closed door meetings are unacceptable aren't they? |
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose.
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no?
Something similar to the election of the leader in Hong Kong. The population get a final appointment decision/free vote on candidates that have to be pre-approved by a specialist committee
The "special committee" is made up of governments directly elected by each population.
The Council of Ministers is how countries assert their national sovereignty in the EU.
The nominees are put forward by our governments and then approved or rejected by those directly elected by is in the European Parliament.
You haven’t understood.
Then you haven't explained
Stop being lazy and go think about it properly
The only point that you seem to be making is that a committee selects the candidates.
The difference, which I pointed out, is that Hong Kong's committee is selected by China which has no internal democracy. The EU chooses its candidates through the representatives of democratically elected governments.
If you are trying to make some other point then make it rather than trying to patronise.
And you still haven’t understood the nuance of it
There's no purpose in making a point if it is not clear.
Well done explaining "
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The Eu top job - yes a democratic choice, but no other choice if their brand of values/ideals is not your cup of tea
Quite different
thats not true... because if they had voted NO, then it would have under the rules have been back to square 1 and the heads of state would have had to come up with a different person....
but lets not let fact get in the way of the narrative you are trying to falsely forward...
as you will.......
Agree. They had the choice of like it not like ... and had she not achieved 374 or more then yes back to the drawing board .
Off back to the closed door meetings to come up with another candidate.
Shall we discuss the open meetings with the DUP where no money was even offered?
Why?
Because closed door meetings are unacceptable aren't they?"
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose.
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no?
Something similar to the election of the leader in Hong Kong. The population get a final appointment decision/free vote on candidates that have to be pre-approved by a specialist committee
The "special committee" is made up of governments directly elected by each population.
The Council of Ministers is how countries assert their national sovereignty in the EU.
The nominees are put forward by our governments and then approved or rejected by those directly elected by is in the European Parliament.
You haven’t understood.
Then you haven't explained
Stop being lazy and go think about it properly
The only point that you seem to be making is that a committee selects the candidates.
The difference, which I pointed out, is that Hong Kong's committee is selected by China which has no internal democracy. The EU chooses its candidates through the representatives of democratically elected governments.
If you are trying to make some other point then make it rather than trying to patronise.
And you still haven’t understood the nuance of it
There's no purpose in making a point if it is not clear.
Well done explaining
Or stop being lazy and think about it some more "
Excellent communication technique.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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The Eu top job - yes a democratic choice, but no other choice if their brand of values/ideals is not your cup of tea
Quite different
thats not true... because if they had voted NO, then it would have under the rules have been back to square 1 and the heads of state would have had to come up with a different person....
but lets not let fact get in the way of the narrative you are trying to falsely forward...
as you will.......
Agree. They had the choice of like it not like ... and had she not achieved 374 or more then yes back to the drawing board .
Off back to the closed door meetings to come up with another candidate.
Shall we discuss the open meetings with the DUP where no money was even offered?
Why?
Because closed door meetings are unacceptable aren't they?
Yes"
So you don't like our domestic political arrangements either.
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"So, we have a new "undemocratically unelected" president of the EU Commission who's been democratically elected by democratically elected MEP's
I’m guessing the emoji is a nod to the fact there was only one name on the ballot paper?
There was only one name on the pallet paper because the EU parliament does not elect the head of the EU Commission, any more than the UK Parliament elects the head of the UK civil service. The electorate for the head of the EU Commission is in fact the democratical elected heads of government sitting in the Council of Ministers. Once the democratically elected heads of Governments have elected a candidate that candidate is put forward to the EU Parliament for approval or not. If the candidate is not approved by the EU Parliament then the heads of government through the Council of Ministers has to elect another candidate and put that candidate forward to the EU Parliament for approval. So there is democratic input into the process both through are democratically elected heads of Government to elect a candidate and through are democratically elected MEPs to approve any candidate elected.
Too complicated so it can't be happening
Didn’t they ditch the Spitzenkandidat process, which is designed to give a democratic mandate to the Commission presidency and instead hold a series of closed-door meetings to come up with a name?
Thats exactly what they did, and completely by-passed the EU's own democtatic processes. Funny how the remoaners on here have completely ignored this post since you made it. Both Europhile and Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe were up in arms about this in the European Parmiament and made various speeches expressing their disappointment, anger and regret about how undemocratic the EU has now become.
The EU has kind of proved through this whole sorry episode what Brexiteers have been saying all along, that the EU is undemocratic and not fit for purpose.
The "final appointment decision" comes down to a democratic vote by democratically elected MEP's, yes? or no?
Something similar to the election of the leader in Hong Kong. The population get a final appointment decision/free vote on candidates that have to be pre-approved by a specialist committee
The "special committee" is made up of governments directly elected by each population.
The Council of Ministers is how countries assert their national sovereignty in the EU.
The nominees are put forward by our governments and then approved or rejected by those directly elected by is in the European Parliament.
You haven’t understood.
Then you haven't explained
Stop being lazy and go think about it properly
The only point that you seem to be making is that a committee selects the candidates.
The difference, which I pointed out, is that Hong Kong's committee is selected by China which has no internal democracy. The EU chooses its candidates through the representatives of democratically elected governments.
If you are trying to make some other point then make it rather than trying to patronise.
And you still haven’t understood the nuance of it
There's no purpose in making a point if it is not clear.
Well done explaining
Or stop being lazy and think about it some more
Excellent communication technique.
I not at all lazy. That's why I'm asking. I shan't be spending any more time though."
That’s ok, your choice. You won’t get any self-righteous brownie points though  |
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The Eu top job - yes a democratic choice, but no other choice if their brand of values/ideals is not your cup of tea
Quite different
thats not true... because if they had voted NO, then it would have under the rules have been back to square 1 and the heads of state would have had to come up with a different person....
but lets not let fact get in the way of the narrative you are trying to falsely forward...
as you will.......
Agree. They had the choice of like it not like ... and had she not achieved 374 or more then yes back to the drawing board .
Off back to the closed door meetings to come up with another candidate.
Shall we discuss the open meetings with the DUP where no money was even offered?
Why?
Because closed door meetings are unacceptable aren't they?
Yes
So you don't like our domestic political arrangements either."
Yes |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
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The Eu top job - yes a democratic choice, but no other choice if their brand of values/ideals is not your cup of tea
Quite different
thats not true... because if they had voted NO, then it would have under the rules have been back to square 1 and the heads of state would have had to come up with a different person....
but lets not let fact get in the way of the narrative you are trying to falsely forward...
as you will.......
Agree. They had the choice of like it not like ... and had she not achieved 374 or more then yes back to the drawing board .
Off back to the closed door meetings to come up with another candidate.
Shall we discuss the open meetings with the DUP where no money was even offered?
Why?
Because closed door meetings are unacceptable aren't they?
Yes
So you don't like our domestic political arrangements either.
Yes"
So perfectly relevant point about talks with the DUP 
An iligitimate British government supported by a party unrepresentative of its nation's views trying to force its Brexit position through a Parliament that doesn't support it.
Is the UK Parliament democratically legitimate in your opinion?
The European parliament? |
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The Eu top job - yes a democratic choice, but no other choice if their brand of values/ideals is not your cup of tea
Quite different
thats not true... because if they had voted NO, then it would have under the rules have been back to square 1 and the heads of state would have had to come up with a different person....
but lets not let fact get in the way of the narrative you are trying to falsely forward...
as you will.......
Agree. They had the choice of like it not like ... and had she not achieved 374 or more then yes back to the drawing board .
Off back to the closed door meetings to come up with another candidate.
Shall we discuss the open meetings with the DUP where no money was even offered?
Why?
Because closed door meetings are unacceptable aren't they?
Yes
So you don't like our domestic political arrangements either.
Yes
So perfectly relevant point about talks with the DUP
An iligitimate British government supported by a party unrepresentative of its nation's views trying to force its Brexit position through a Parliament that doesn't support it.
Is the UK Parliament democratically legitimate in your opinion?
The European parliament?"
Why you preaching ? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"
The Eu top job - yes a democratic choice, but no other choice if their brand of values/ideals is not your cup of tea
Quite different
thats not true... because if they had voted NO, then it would have under the rules have been back to square 1 and the heads of state would have had to come up with a different person....
but lets not let fact get in the way of the narrative you are trying to falsely forward...
as you will.......
Agree. They had the choice of like it not like ... and had she not achieved 374 or more then yes back to the drawing board .
Off back to the closed door meetings to come up with another candidate.
Shall we discuss the open meetings with the DUP where no money was even offered?
Why?
Because closed door meetings are unacceptable aren't they?
Yes
So you don't like our domestic political arrangements either.
Yes
So perfectly relevant point about talks with the DUP
An iligitimate British government supported by a party unrepresentative of its nation's views trying to force its Brexit position through a Parliament that doesn't support it.
Is the UK Parliament democratically legitimate in your opinion?
The European parliament?
Why you preaching ?"
I have tried to decipher your point but have clearly failed. I'm asking, not preaching. You can tell by the question marks.
If you cannot or will not answer then fine. It's not adding anything so I shan't continue. |
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The Eu top job - yes a democratic choice, but no other choice if their brand of values/ideals is not your cup of tea
Quite different
thats not true... because if they had voted NO, then it would have under the rules have been back to square 1 and the heads of state would have had to come up with a different person....
but lets not let fact get in the way of the narrative you are trying to falsely forward...
as you will.......
Agree. They had the choice of like it not like ... and had she not achieved 374 or more then yes back to the drawing board .
Off back to the closed door meetings to come up with another candidate.
Shall we discuss the open meetings with the DUP where no money was even offered?
Why?
Because closed door meetings are unacceptable aren't they?
Yes
So you don't like our domestic political arrangements either.
Yes
So perfectly relevant point about talks with the DUP
An iligitimate British government supported by a party unrepresentative of its nation's views trying to force its Brexit position through a Parliament that doesn't support it.
Is the UK Parliament democratically legitimate in your opinion?
The European parliament?
Why you preaching ?
I have tried to decipher your point but have clearly failed. I'm asking, not preaching. You can tell by the question marks.
If you cannot or will not answer then fine. It's not adding anything so I shan't continue."
That’s ok. Your choice.... again, you wont be able to get the self-righteous brownie points though. |
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