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By *abio OP   Man  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

can we agree this time... both those on the left and the right, that the last lot of tweets were racist....

i am just looking for one "right leaning" person on here to condemn trump... and you will have made my day....

thanks in advance.....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I've not even read these tweets .I decided he was a white supremacists racist sack of shit after Charlottesville...

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich

Yep think you are right but i never hold any store in what trump tweets, think everyone knows he sits on the bog and thinks of things that will get him on the front page that day.How anyone can get offended by him beats me he contradicts himself every day of the week so i just dont take any notice.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yep ..just read it there racist tweets .I see the PM has said they're unacceptable.Radio silence from boris who is obviously trumps bitch now if he doesn't respond...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yep think you are right but i never hold any store in what trump tweets, think everyone knows he sits on the bog and thinks of things that will get him on the front page that day.How anyone can get offended by him beats me he contradicts himself every day of the week so i just dont take any notice."

If he says "Jews " should fuck off out the country you wouldn't take any notice???

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

Do they tell us anything we did not already know?

Nope.

Put all these remarks together - from the shit-hole countries to his love of blonde Norwegians, the damn fine people taking part in a neo-Nazi demo, and now this - and the conclusion is inescapable.

No wonder he was an inspiration for the Christchurch terrorist.

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich


"Yep think you are right but i never hold any store in what trump tweets, think everyone knows he sits on the bog and thinks of things that will get him on the front page that day.How anyone can get offended by him beats me he contradicts himself every day of the week so i just dont take any notice.

If he says "Jews " should fuck off out the country you wouldn't take any notice???"

No why should i hes nothing to do with the uk and will never be in the running to be pm unlike comrade corbyn.

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By *abio OP   Man  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

as racial tropes go "go back home" is about the number 1 one that would send me apoplectic....

as distractions for a million and one things, taking it "there" is just way too far.....

but yeah... why anyone believes he isn't racist now is beyond me.....

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By *ercuryMan  over a year ago

Grantham

Unacceptable from any normal human being let alone a Leader of a Country.

Hopefully not doing his chances of reelection any favours.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yep think you are right but i never hold any store in what trump tweets, think everyone knows he sits on the bog and thinks of things that will get him on the front page that day.How anyone can get offended by him beats me he contradicts himself every day of the week so i just dont take any notice.

If he says "Jews " should fuck off out the country you wouldn't take any notice???No why should i hes nothing to do with the uk and will never be in the running to be pm unlike comrade corbyn. "

You ignored boris and his use of Slave master terms for children and his racism and he's going to be pm in weeks.

Your now ignoring trumps racism.

So it's fair to say you ignore the racism of the conservatives ...

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By *mmabluTV/TS  over a year ago

upton wirral

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yes, he is a racist.

He is also an idiot.

As is typical of Racists, he makes racist remarks and then claims that he's not a racist by somehow attempting to justify such comments by claiming something like having an immigrant in his cabinet or something.

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East


"Unacceptable from any normal human being let alone a Leader of a Country.

Hopefully not doing his chances of reelection any favours. "

I read a fascinating piece speculating how obstinate he would be in vacating the White House in the event he loses the 2020 election. A dummy spit of epic proportions.

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By *mmabluTV/TS  over a year ago

upton wirral

I feel that what Trump says is totally unexetable and would be here but in the US he gets away with it.

America is either very liberal or very racist two very great extremes not many shades of grey I found when there.Around 30 years ago I spend sometime in California and found people where very set in there views,many racist many liberal.My friend who lived there was married to a Mexican girl and had two half Mexican boys.They had a tough time at school and the family did have problems,not where they lived as they had great naighbours but in general when out together.

That was 30 years ago but it seems that things have not moved on.In this country they have moved forward a bit but the British are very two faced on this matter,many pretend not to be racist but they are.

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By *oxychick35Couple  over a year ago

thornaby

Yep he’s racist he’s a cunt a prick lots of other thing but why do ppl in the U.K. get a fucking hard on about him he’s not our leader is he as bad as some other world leaders nope so why get in a strop over him and not other world leaders is it because it’s the cool thing to do nowadays lol

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich


"Yep think you are right but i never hold any store in what trump tweets, think everyone knows he sits on the bog and thinks of things that will get him on the front page that day.How anyone can get offended by him beats me he contradicts himself every day of the week so i just dont take any notice.

If he says "Jews " should fuck off out the country you wouldn't take any notice???No why should i hes nothing to do with the uk and will never be in the running to be pm unlike comrade corbyn.

You ignored boris and his use of Slave master terms for children and his racism and he's going to be pm in weeks.

Your now ignoring trumps racism.

So it's fair to say you ignore the racism of the conservatives ...

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bob how many more times are you going to bang on about an article wrote in 2002 by boris criticizing blaire?Yes im ignoring what trump tweeted as i do with everything he says the man means nothing to me and im sure that the american people will get rid of him in the next election.If i was to get the hump about many leaders around the world i would end up one miserable bastard i dont choose to live like that but unlike you i dont want a jew hater as my pm.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Yep he’s racist he’s a cunt a prick lots of other thing but why do ppl in the U.K. get a fucking hard on about him he’s not our leader is he as bad as some other world leaders nope so why get in a strop over him and not other world leaders is it because it’s the cool thing to do nowadays lol"

Because the USA sets the tone internationally.

America has significantly more power and money than any country other than China.

You see this normalised everyday and it becomes the norm.

You have denied this is the same for the immigrant bashing in the UK because you don't experience it, but trust me those of us who are not obviously white British do.

It's not something that I am able to "relax" about because I live it.

You always seemed to be somebody who had some empathy.

What's happened?

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By *oxychick35Couple  over a year ago

thornaby


"Yep he’s racist he’s a cunt a prick lots of other thing but why do ppl in the U.K. get a fucking hard on about him he’s not our leader is he as bad as some other world leaders nope so why get in a strop over him and not other world leaders is it because it’s the cool thing to do nowadays lol

Because the USA sets the tone internationally.

America has significantly more power and money than any country other than China.

You see this normalised everyday and it becomes the norm.

You have denied this is the same for the immigrant bashing in the UK because you don't experience it, but trust me those of us who are not obviously white British do.

It's not something that I am able to "relax" about because I live it.

You always seemed to be somebody who had some empathy.

What's happened?"

iv got lots of empathy but getting a hard on over someone who gets off on it who isn’t the leader of the country I live in doesn’t float my boat iv said he’s a cunt what else you want me to do cry about a tweet from a loonie he doesn’t set the tone in the U.K. because most ppl know what he says makes no difference here I just don’t get why ppl jump up and down about him and say nothing about other loonies like I said it seems to me to be the cool thing atm

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yep think you are right but i never hold any store in what trump tweets, think everyone knows he sits on the bog and thinks of things that will get him on the front page that day.How anyone can get offended by him beats me he contradicts himself every day of the week so i just dont take any notice.

If he says "Jews " should fuck off out the country you wouldn't take any notice???No why should i hes nothing to do with the uk and will never be in the running to be pm unlike comrade corbyn.

You ignored boris and his use of Slave master terms for children and his racism and he's going to be pm in weeks.

Your now ignoring trumps racism.

So it's fair to say you ignore the racism of the conservatives ...

bob how many more times are you going to bang on about an article wrote in 2002 by boris criticizing blaire?Yes im ignoring what trump tweeted as i do with everything he says the man means nothing to me and im sure that the american people will get rid of him in the next election.If i was to get the hump about many leaders around the world i would end up one miserable bastard i dont choose to live like that but unlike you i dont want a jew hater as my pm. "

Never voted labour sorry that don't stick son.Unlike your need to defend racists and racist language.Thats a stain that's hard to wash out.

If trump had singled out 4 Jews and told them to go back home you'd have something to say..

It's sad your politics blinds you to his dangerous white nationalism .

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich


"Yep think you are right but i never hold any store in what trump tweets, think everyone knows he sits on the bog and thinks of things that will get him on the front page that day.How anyone can get offended by him beats me he contradicts himself every day of the week so i just dont take any notice.

If he says "Jews " should fuck off out the country you wouldn't take any notice???No why should i hes nothing to do with the uk and will never be in the running to be pm unlike comrade corbyn.

You ignored boris and his use of Slave master terms for children and his racism and he's going to be pm in weeks.

Your now ignoring trumps racism.

So it's fair to say you ignore the racism of the conservatives ...

bob how many more times are you going to bang on about an article wrote in 2002 by boris criticizing blaire?Yes im ignoring what trump tweeted as i do with everything he says the man means nothing to me and im sure that the american people will get rid of him in the next election.If i was to get the hump about many leaders around the world i would end up one miserable bastard i dont choose to live like that but unlike you i dont want a jew hater as my pm.

Never voted labour sorry that don't stick son.Unlike your need to defend racists and racist language.Thats a stain that's hard to wash out.

If trump had singled out 4 Jews and told them to go back home you'd have something to say..

It's sad your politics blinds you to his dangerous white nationalism ."

No i wouldn't but you believe what you want.Where have i ever defended racists? show me one post ive ever made that i have.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yep think you are right but i never hold any store in what trump tweets, think everyone knows he sits on the bog and thinks of things that will get him on the front page that day.How anyone can get offended by him beats me he contradicts himself every day of the week so i just dont take any notice.

If he says "Jews " should fuck off out the country you wouldn't take any notice???No why should i hes nothing to do with the uk and will never be in the running to be pm unlike comrade corbyn.

You ignored boris and his use of Slave master terms for children and his racism and he's going to be pm in weeks.

Your now ignoring trumps racism.

So it's fair to say you ignore the racism of the conservatives ...

bob how many more times are you going to bang on about an article wrote in 2002 by boris criticizing blaire?Yes im ignoring what trump tweeted as i do with everything he says the man means nothing to me and im sure that the american people will get rid of him in the next election.If i was to get the hump about many leaders around the world i would end up one miserable bastard i dont choose to live like that but unlike you i dont want a jew hater as my pm.

Never voted labour sorry that don't stick son.Unlike your need to defend racists and racist language.Thats a stain that's hard to wash out.

If trump had singled out 4 Jews and told them to go back home you'd have something to say..

It's sad your politics blinds you to his dangerous white nationalism .No i wouldn't but you believe what you want.Where have i ever defended racists? show me one post ive ever made that i have. "

You defend the language of racists you seem to think if you say nigger in 2002 we should forgot about it in 2019.As if it happened in the 18th century.

You make excuses and play down trumps racism and he's a racist .Thus defending both boris and trump

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich


"Yep think you are right but i never hold any store in what trump tweets, think everyone knows he sits on the bog and thinks of things that will get him on the front page that day.How anyone can get offended by him beats me he contradicts himself every day of the week so i just dont take any notice.

If he says "Jews " should fuck off out the country you wouldn't take any notice???No why should i hes nothing to do with the uk and will never be in the running to be pm unlike comrade corbyn.

You ignored boris and his use of Slave master terms for children and his racism and he's going to be pm in weeks.

Your now ignoring trumps racism.

So it's fair to say you ignore the racism of the conservatives ...

bob how many more times are you going to bang on about an article wrote in 2002 by boris criticizing blaire?Yes im ignoring what trump tweeted as i do with everything he says the man means nothing to me and im sure that the american people will get rid of him in the next election.If i was to get the hump about many leaders around the world i would end up one miserable bastard i dont choose to live like that but unlike you i dont want a jew hater as my pm.

Never voted labour sorry that don't stick son.Unlike your need to defend racists and racist language.Thats a stain that's hard to wash out.

If trump had singled out 4 Jews and told them to go back home you'd have something to say..

It's sad your politics blinds you to his dangerous white nationalism .No i wouldn't but you believe what you want.Where have i ever defended racists? show me one post ive ever made that i have.

You defend the language of racists you seem to think if you say nigger in 2002 we should forgot about it in 2019.As if it happened in the 18th century.

You make excuses and play down trumps racism and he's a racist .Thus defending both boris and trump "

I think you will find he said pickinnie and yes times have moved on thank god but you are obsessed with it. Not to mention that he did apologize after if it caused anyone offense so i am not going to change my view on a guy because of that and it was rather a good article.As for trump when have i ever defended him? as i said before he is not the leader of my country and i really couldnt give a toss what he tweets i dont do twitter and if people didnt keep getting worked up about what he said i would be none the wiser.still waiting for your reply on corbyns anti semitism your silence speaks words.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"can we agree this time... both those on the left and the right, that the last lot of tweets were racist....

i am just looking for one "right leaning" person on here to condemn trump... and you will have made my day....

thanks in advance....."

Just Trump being Trump

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yep he’s racist he’s a cunt a prick lots of other thing but why do ppl in the U.K. get a fucking hard on about him he’s not our leader is he as bad as some other world leaders nope so why get in a strop over him and not other world leaders is it because it’s the cool thing to do nowadays lol"

I so wanted to use the 4 letter “C” word Total gobshyte

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Unacceptable from any normal human being let alone a Leader of a Country.

Hopefully not doing his chances of reelection any favours.

I read a fascinating piece speculating how obstinate he would be in vacating the White House in the event he loses the 2020 election. A dummy spit of epic proportions.

"

I really hope we get to see that happen.

I enjoyed reading that he can't block people on Twitter anymore.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"can we agree this time... both those on the left and the right, that the last lot of tweets were racist....

i am just looking for one "right leaning" person on here to condemn trump... and you will have made my day....

thanks in advance....."

I cannot see too many people spending too much time analysing tweets Cyberland is very different to the real world.

It is for the citizens of USA to judge their president . There was an excellent letter in a British Newspaper yesterday about what a great job he is doing .His mission is to make America great again.He has restored American national pride and boosted the economy. The USA stock exchange is at an all time high. What a great endorsement of Trump and his policies.

It is probably best to base judgement on the silent minority, not the vocal minority who constantly criticise him. British investors in the Ashstread Group will have no complaints about his economic policies and the impact on the share price

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East


"

Because the USA sets the tone internationally.

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Not any more, I'd argue. Not under Trump.

The global order that the US forged and upheld after the Second World War is evaporating before our eyes.

American influence is used now for one thing and one thing only - to "make America great again".

All the levers of the state, all the international alliances, are being re-tuned for one single objective - to increase the sale of American goods and products to the rest of the world.

America First is America alone, as the Chinese say.

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By *ercuryMan  over a year ago

Grantham

I wonder if he'll tell his wife and First Lady to "go back home"?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If trump was leader during the 1930s and 40s, I bet he would have loved Hitler.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East


"

It is probably best to base judgement on the silent minority, not the vocal minority who constantly criticise him. "

If they are silent, how can you hear them?

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East


"If trump was leader during the 1930s and 40s, I bet he would have loved Hitler. "

The 1983 American Heritage Dictionary defined fascism as: “A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.”

Mussolini (or Gentile): “Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.”

US vice-president Henry Wallace: “The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact. Their newspapers and propaganda carefully cultivate every fissure of disunity, every crack in the common front against fascism.”

“They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective toward which all their deceit is directed is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.”

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Find the poster of 'early signs of fascism' in the US holocaust museum.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire

It's hardly a surprise, the bloke as well as being a racist is a misogynistic egotistical bully but his base will love him more for this..

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By *ony 2016Man  over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

Our Prime Minister has criticised the president of the USA for " telling people to go home " ,,, think she may have forgot about the vans she sent round our streets

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By *mmabluTV/TS  over a year ago

upton wirral


"Yep he’s racist he’s a cunt a prick lots of other thing but why do ppl in the U.K. get a fucking hard on about him he’s not our leader is he as bad as some other world leaders nope so why get in a strop over him and not other world leaders is it because it’s the cool thing to do nowadays lol"
I agree they do the same about Robinson for some reason,baffles me

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By *avidnsa69Man  over a year ago

Essex & Bridgend


"can we agree this time... both those on the left and the right, that the last lot of tweets were racist....

i am just looking for one "right leaning" person on here to condemn trump... and you will have made my day....

thanks in advance..... I cannot see too many people spending too much time analysing tweets Cyberland is very different to the real world.

It is for the citizens of USA to judge their president . There was an excellent letter in a British Newspaper yesterday about what a great job he is doing .His mission is to make America great again.He has restored American national pride and boosted the economy. The USA stock exchange is at an all time high. What a great endorsement of Trump and his policies.

It is probably best to base judgement on the silent minority, not the vocal minority who constantly criticise him. British investors in the Ashstread Group will have no complaints about his economic policies and the impact on the share price "

So being a racist and a misogynist is fine if you positively impact the Dow Jones? Ffs....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"can we agree this time... both those on the left and the right, that the last lot of tweets were racist....

i am just looking for one "right leaning" person on here to condemn trump... and you will have made my day....

thanks in advance..... I cannot see too many people spending too much time analysing tweets Cyberland is very different to the real world.

It is for the citizens of USA to judge their president . There was an excellent letter in a British Newspaper yesterday about what a great job he is doing .His mission is to make America great again.He has restored American national pride and boosted the economy. The USA stock exchange is at an all time high. What a great endorsement of Trump and his policies.

It is probably best to base judgement on the silent minority, not the vocal minority who constantly criticise him. British investors in the Ashstread Group will have no complaints about his economic policies and the impact on the share price

So being a racist and a misogynist is fine if you positively impact the Dow Jones? Ffs...."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Unfortunately he looks likely to be re-elected.(odds on at bookies to be elected again)

the only thing to stop him is him

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By *bandjam91Couple  over a year ago

London


"can we agree this time... both those on the left and the right, that the last lot of tweets were racist....

i am just looking for one "right leaning" person on here to condemn trump... and you will have made my day....

thanks in advance..... I cannot see too many people spending too much time analysing tweets Cyberland is very different to the real world.

It is for the citizens of USA to judge their president . There was an excellent letter in a British Newspaper yesterday about what a great job he is doing .His mission is to make America great again.He has restored American national pride and boosted the economy. The USA stock exchange is at an all time high. What a great endorsement of Trump and his policies.

It is probably best to base judgement on the silent minority, not the vocal minority who constantly criticise him. British investors in the Ashstread Group will have no complaints about his economic policies and the impact on the share price "

You don't have a clue how the world works if you think we're not all affected by the US President. He's also the worst kind of attention seeker. We have every right to judge.

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By *oodmessMan  over a year ago

yumsville

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By *oodmessMan  over a year ago

yumsville

It seems strange that "a politician" would attack 4 other politicians for criticising, disliking or wanting change, when that is why politician run for office.

It's also strange that the commentary on Trumps language of 'go back home if you don't like this place', doesn't seem to be pulling Trump up on First Amendment rights. The same freedom of speech he is using - with racist language.

He is using racism but arguing with a racist you are rolling with a pig in shit. Though an American saying 'I can criticise whatever, as I have the freedom to', would take race out of the question or focus on it.

People are instead only focused on Trumps language and the racism behind it instead of their rights to dislike anything they see unfit. It is almost a race to see who is the most American and too, a given that his freedom of speech rules theirs.

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By *uietbloke67Man  over a year ago

outside your bedroom window ;-)


"Yep he’s racist he’s a cunt a prick lots of other thing but why do ppl in the U.K. get a fucking hard on about him he’s not our leader is he as bad as some other world leaders nope so why get in a strop over him and not other world leaders is it because it’s the cool thing to do nowadays lol

Because the USA sets the tone internationally.

America has significantly more power and money than any country other than China.

You see this normalised everyday and it becomes the norm.

You have denied this is the same for the immigrant bashing in the UK because you don't experience it, but trust me those of us who are not obviously white British do.

It's not something that I am able to "relax" about because I live it.

You always seemed to be somebody who had some empathy.

What's happened?"

Where you not banging on a while ago about hating Catholics???

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Yep he’s racist he’s a cunt a prick lots of other thing but why do ppl in the U.K. get a fucking hard on about him he’s not our leader is he as bad as some other world leaders nope so why get in a strop over him and not other world leaders is it because it’s the cool thing to do nowadays lol

Because the USA sets the tone internationally.

America has significantly more power and money than any country other than China.

You see this normalised everyday and it becomes the norm.

You have denied this is the same for the immigrant bashing in the UK because you don't experience it, but trust me those of us who are not obviously white British do.

It's not something that I am able to "relax" about because I live it.

You always seemed to be somebody who had some empathy.

What's happened?

Where you not banging on a while ago about hating Catholics???"

Nope. I don't hate Catholics. They are no more worthy of prejudice than Jews, or Muslims or Pakistanis.

Read that thread through.

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By *abio OP   Man  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"It seems strange that "a politician" would attack 4 other politicians for criticising, disliking or wanting change, when that is why politician run for office.

It's also strange that the commentary on Trumps language of 'go back home if you don't like this place', doesn't seem to be pulling Trump up on First Amendment rights. The same freedom of speech he is using - with racist language.

He is using racism but arguing with a racist you are rolling with a pig in shit. Though an American saying 'I can criticise whatever, as I have the freedom to', would take race out of the question or focus on it.

People are instead only focused on Trumps language and the racism behind it instead of their rights to dislike anything they see unfit. It is almost a race to see who is the most American and too, a given that his freedom of speech rules theirs."

i think we are almost having two set of conversations at the same time here....

one of them is amongst "people of colour".. which is have you ever had the go home/go back to where you came from trope thrown at you.... I have yet to hear one that has said no! it now feels like a weird "rite of passage"...

and then you get the likes of pat.... which is "i've never had it thrown at me... so it can't be that bad!"

excusing the racist language to try to make some larger political point....

the ironic thing is that republicans are trying to say it wasn't racist... but the one black male republican member of congress, and the one black male republican member of the senate, have both said that to them it was racist! do you think they should have chatted to them?

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By *ercuryMan  over a year ago

Grantham

The House of Representatives have condemned his remarks.

He's not made any friends with his actions.

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By *eavenNhellCouple  over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"It seems strange that "a politician" would attack 4 other politicians for criticising, disliking or wanting change, when that is why politician run for office.

It's also strange that the commentary on Trumps language of 'go back home if you don't like this place', doesn't seem to be pulling Trump up on First Amendment rights. The same freedom of speech he is using - with racist language.

He is using racism but arguing with a racist you are rolling with a pig in shit. Though an American saying 'I can criticise whatever, as I have the freedom to', would take race out of the question or focus on it.

People are instead only focused on Trumps language and the racism behind it instead of their rights to dislike anything they see unfit. It is almost a race to see who is the most American and too, a given that his freedom of speech rules theirs.

i think we are almost having two set of conversations at the same time here....

one of them is amongst "people of colour".. which is have you ever had the go home/go back to where you came from trope thrown at you.... I have yet to hear one that has said no! it now feels like a weird "rite of passage"...

and then you get the likes of pat.... which is "i've never had it thrown at me... so it can't be that bad!"

excusing the racist language to try to make some larger political point....

the ironic thing is that republicans are trying to say it wasn't racist... but the one black male republican member of congress, and the one black male republican member of the senate, have both said that to them it was racist! do you think they should have chatted to them?

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and the white french born male senator has pointed out he hasnt been asked or told to "go home " now i wonder why that is ?

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By *oodmessMan  over a year ago

yumsville

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By *oodmessMan  over a year ago

yumsville


"It seems strange that "a politician" would attack 4 other politicians for criticising, disliking or wanting change, when that is why politician run for office.

It's also strange that the commentary on Trumps language of 'go back home if you don't like this place', doesn't seem to be pulling Trump up on First Amendment rights. The same freedom of speech he is using - with racist language.

He is using racism but arguing with a racist you are rolling with a pig in shit. Though an American saying 'I can criticise whatever, as I have the freedom to', would take race out of the question or focus on it.

People are instead only focused on Trumps language and the racism behind it instead of their rights to dislike anything they see unfit. It is almost a race to see who is the most American and too, a given that his freedom of speech rules theirs.

i think we are almost having two set of conversations at the same time here....

one of them is amongst "people of colour".. which is have you ever had the go home/go back to where you came from trope thrown at you.... I have yet to hear one that has said no! it now feels like a weird "rite of passage"...

and then you get the likes of pat.... which is "i've never had it thrown at me... so it can't be that bad!"

excusing the racist language to try to make some larger political point....

the ironic thing is that republicans are trying to say it wasn't racist... but the one black male republican member of congress, and the one black male republican member of the senate, have both said that to them it was racist! do you think they should have chatted to them?

"

I don't think my last paragraph was worded as well as it could have been, they were just thoughts at 1am..

I am meaning Murica seems to be turning into a rich v's poor a white v's other nation, where Donald is "freely" able to portray that go get 'em meme, if you like. Civil rights are only just being brought into question with Trumps wives and likely other who were not seen as being born there.

I have only seen one or two black congressman/politicians .. the last one I saw was shouting too much so never bothered listening to what he was saying.

There will no doubt be an indictment at some point and his house will crumble.

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yep he’s racist he’s a cunt a prick lots of other thing but why do ppl in the U.K. get a fucking hard on about him he’s not our leader is he as bad as some other world leaders nope so why get in a strop over him and not other world leaders is it because it’s the cool thing to do nowadays lol

Because the USA sets the tone internationally.

America has significantly more power and money than any country other than China.

You see this normalised everyday and it becomes the norm.

You have denied this is the same for the immigrant bashing in the UK because you don't experience it, but trust me those of us who are not obviously white British do.

It's not something that I am able to "relax" about because I live it.

You always seemed to be somebody who had some empathy.

What's happened?

Where you not banging on a while ago about hating Catholics???

Nope. I don't hate Catholics. They are no more worthy of prejudice than Jews, or Muslims or Pakistanis.

Read that thread through."

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I'm sorry I disagree with you.

Ones skin colour is not of your choosing ones religion is, it's like saying I shouldn't be prejudiced against the crazy West bap lot in America as "it's just their faith", yes it is but it's of their choosing.

Your last one isn't a religion but a nationality and it's curious to me why you threw it in with religions?.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes"

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I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism."

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know"

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Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know"

.ilhan Omar?.

If he wanted to have a go at just her he could have said go back to your husband/brother you tax evading, immigration dodging, race bating bitch.

That would have been accurate and not at all racist.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist."

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?

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By *oodmessMan  over a year ago

yumsville


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism."

If a politician said that about an ethic group in this country they'd be retired. He's using words like "these people" and "they should go back home" ... He's the supposed leader of the free world.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?"

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Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

If a politician said that about an ethic group in this country they'd be retired. He's using words like "these people" and "they should go back home" ... He's the supposed leader of the free world. "

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Politicans use those phrases all day long over brexit?.

Are you telling me that ethnic minorities should be treated with kid gloves, that there different to "native" Brits, isn't that the very definition of racism.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?."

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

he's worsen a child and needs a parental presidential lock on any social platform he uses.fucking idiot.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?"

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He never mentioned their ethnicity?.

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.ilhan Omar?.

If he wanted to have a go at just her he could have said go back to your husband/brother you tax evading, immigration dodging, race bating bitch.

That would have been accurate and not at all racist. "

Think he already has also

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?.

He never mentioned their ethnicity?."

Never mind. If you won't answer a direct question, you won't answer a direct question.

Well done you on understanding words but not meaning.

That is usually down to a lack of empathy or trying to be clever.

Carry on

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?"

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?.

He never mentioned their ethnicity?.

Never mind. If you won't answer a direct question, you won't answer a direct question.

Well done you on understanding words but not meaning.

That is usually down to a lack of empathy or trying to be clever.

Carry on "

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What are you on about, you said using someone's ethnicity to insult them is racist, I agree on that, I said he didn't mention there ethnicity though so I struggle to see how it's racist in intent.

My answer is the Definition of racism - prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so "

He could have apologized,but no he's basically said some have hated the tweets some have loved it and that lots loved it.

The people who love it,are the racists who support such terming.

He should take account of what he said and apologize instead of acting like a child and thinking he is also untouchable.

Using the "go back to your own country", has been consistent in my life as an experience by people assuming,an assumption born from a racist outlook.

Take away semantics and just fucking admit it's a dangerous thing to say as a leader of a nation.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?.

He never mentioned their ethnicity?.

Never mind. If you won't answer a direct question, you won't answer a direct question.

Well done you on understanding words but not meaning.

That is usually down to a lack of empathy or trying to be clever.

Carry on .

What are you on about, you said using someone's ethnicity to insult them is racist, I agree on that, I said he didn't mention there ethnicity though so I struggle to see how it's racist in intent.

My answer is the Definition of racism - prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

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Nationality is a proxy for race. It's an easy concept to grasp.

Have you ever been told to "go back to your own country"? To "go back to where you came from"? What do you think the intent is when it is said to someone of my ethnicity?

You can be racist without claiming superiority.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so "

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?.

He never mentioned their ethnicity?.

Never mind. If you won't answer a direct question, you won't answer a direct question.

Well done you on understanding words but not meaning.

That is usually down to a lack of empathy or trying to be clever.

Carry on .

What are you on about, you said using someone's ethnicity to insult them is racist, I agree on that, I said he didn't mention there ethnicity though so I struggle to see how it's racist in intent.

My answer is the Definition of racism - prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Nationality is a proxy for race. It's an easy concept to grasp.

Have you ever been told to "go back to your own country"? To "go back to where you came from"? What do you think the intent is when it is said to someone of my ethnicity?

You can be racist without claiming superiority."

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Yes I have been told to go back to where I came from, as I said I find the statement rather silly and childish but not racist and if nationality is a proxy for race then your clearly white I suppose?.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?.

He never mentioned their ethnicity?.

Never mind. If you won't answer a direct question, you won't answer a direct question.

Well done you on understanding words but not meaning.

That is usually down to a lack of empathy or trying to be clever.

Carry on .

What are you on about, you said using someone's ethnicity to insult them is racist, I agree on that, I said he didn't mention there ethnicity though so I struggle to see how it's racist in intent.

My answer is the Definition of racism - prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Nationality is a proxy for race. It's an easy concept to grasp.

Have you ever been told to "go back to your own country"? To "go back to where you came from"? What do you think the intent is when it is said to someone of my ethnicity?

You can be racist without claiming superiority..

Yes I have been told to go back to where I came from, as I said I find the statement rather silly and childish but not racist and if nationality is a proxy for race then your clearly white I suppose?."

Of you have been told to go home throughout your life and it has never hurt or upset you then you are quite unique.

What was the intent of the people who said that to you do you think?

He was being racist. His intent was to insult and to specifically use those women's ethnic backgrounds to insult them.

If you really don't think that was his intent and wish to pedantically argue the minutiae then you carry on but that is more about your ego than the matter being discussed.

I don't actually disagree with your broad outlook on many of the threads, but this is an odd point to argue.

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!"

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is"

They don't come from there. They didn't leave those places. They are as American as he is.

Have you ever been told to go back to where you came from?

If someone said that to someone from my background, as they have, what do you think they mean by it?

Are you telling me that the USA isn't broken and crime-infested?

I struggle to see how you can say he wasn't being racist, it's just the words )and presumably their order and overall meaning) that "seem" to be.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I've not even read these tweets .I decided he was a white supremacists racist sack of shit after Charlottesville...

"

Sack of shyte....period.....Total loser

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By *ore of thatMan  over a year ago

skerries

I think people especially those on this site should forget what is going on in America .Ireland takes in asylum seekers. Put them in old unused summer camps and hotels for years gives them 2euros a week .and won't let them work.italy won't let the ship's dock in their ports and leave women and children on board for weeks .Greece treats them like animals ..great Britain blocks them at French port of calies. Crime is rife with multiple stabbing every day ....the old saying ..people in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?.

He never mentioned their ethnicity?.

Never mind. If you won't answer a direct question, you won't answer a direct question.

Well done you on understanding words but not meaning.

That is usually down to a lack of empathy or trying to be clever.

Carry on .

What are you on about, you said using someone's ethnicity to insult them is racist, I agree on that, I said he didn't mention there ethnicity though so I struggle to see how it's racist in intent.

My answer is the Definition of racism - prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Nationality is a proxy for race. It's an easy concept to grasp.

Have you ever been told to "go back to your own country"? To "go back to where you came from"? What do you think the intent is when it is said to someone of my ethnicity?

You can be racist without claiming superiority..

Yes I have been told to go back to where I came from, as I said I find the statement rather silly and childish but not racist and if nationality is a proxy for race then your clearly white I suppose?.

Of you have been told to go home throughout your life and it has never hurt or upset you then you are quite unique.

What was the intent of the people who said that to you do you think?

He was being racist. His intent was to insult and to specifically use those women's ethnic backgrounds to insult them.

If you really don't think that was his intent and wish to pedantically argue the minutiae then you carry on but that is more about your ego than the matter being discussed.

I don't actually disagree with your broad outlook on many of the threads, but this is an odd point to argue."

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No I never got upset by it, once or twice when my child received it but I think as parents we get upset at all forms of rejection towards are children, it's an emotive subject at the best of times.

Im maybe of that interesting point in society where I grew up in a multi ethnic neighborhood where everybody was a different colour but we all thought the same way so maybe I just don't see racism in the way you might through your life experiences.

Maybe we're all dealing with our own life experience chips on our shoulders, I don't like ilhan Omar I think she's a nasty power hungry dangerous person, she tweets pretty diabolical stuff about Jews and her Somali fan base grows stronger by the day in her constituency, seems were all going backwards with identitarian politics.

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By *olly_ch_omaticTV/TS  over a year ago

Stockport

Most racists do not even realise that they are racist. They come from a privileged position, where they cannot even see their own privilege. They don't understand how the things they say against a minority group could possibly be offensive, as if those remarks were turned around against them they would agree "yes i am from a privileged group, thank you for the compliment". They do not have the empathy to appreciate the position of the people they insult, or even that they are insulting. They speak from a position of "that's the way things are, and it's okay for me, so I can't see how it can be bad for anyone else".

If you tell a racist that they are being racist, they will deny it, and will say that you must be racist for taking offence.

It's pointless trying to convince a racist. They are so embedded in their own privileged position in society, and have no empathy to appreciate other positions, they cannot change.

In a truly civilised society racism, homophobia, transphobia, and all the other irrational hatreds against others for no reason but them being other, would be treated as symptoms of mental illness. A mental illness that is contagious and harmful to others.

In a civilised society Donald Trump would not be president of the USA, in a position where he is spreading his disease, instead he would be being treated with kindness and medication in a secure facility.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I've not even read these tweets .I decided he was a white supremacists racist sack of shit after Charlottesville...

Sack of shyte....period.....Total loser "

The good and decent people see him for what his .

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is

They don't come from there. They didn't leave those places. They are as American as he is.

Have you ever been told to go back to where you came from?

If someone said that to someone from my background, as they have, what do you think they mean by it?

Are you telling me that the USA isn't broken and crime-infested?

I struggle to see how you can say he wasn't being racist, it's just the words )and presumably their order and overall meaning) that "seem" to be."

There or what places ?

Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia and came to the US as a refugee and is now a US citizen ( as I’m sure your aware )

Ilhan has openly showed a like for al-qaida and protected al-qaida, she has openly showed her dislike of America

Somalia has terrorist links to al-qaida responsible for a Kenyan shopping mall bombing

So now put in to context his words, in there spat he says go home, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done.

Not a go back to where you came from

Is USA crime ridden- yes just like every other country

But the economy is booming

Unemployment is at record lows

Black unemployment

Hispanic unemployment

Female unemployment

Tax cuts

Interest rates being cut

Don’t think USA is in such a bad state really

If you take a different meaning I’m sure you can find racism , but his words tell a different story

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"I've not even read these tweets .I decided he was a white supremacists racist sack of shit after Charlottesville...

Sack of shyte....period.....Total loser "

Billionaire, leader of the free world, hell of a wife. Yeah loser lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I've not even read these tweets .I decided he was a white supremacists racist sack of shit after Charlottesville...

Sack of shyte....period.....Total loser

Billionaire, leader of the free world, hell of a wife. Yeah loser lol"

White supremacists ...

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"Most racists do not even realise that they are racist. They come from a privileged position, where they cannot even see their own privilege. They don't understand how the things they say against a minority group could possibly be offensive, as if those remarks were turned around against them they would agree "yes i am from a privileged group, thank you for the compliment". They do not have the empathy to appreciate the position of the people they insult, or even that they are insulting. They speak from a position of "that's the way things are, and it's okay for me, so I can't see how it can be bad for anyone else".

If you tell a racist that they are being racist, they will deny it, and will say that you must be racist for taking offence.

It's pointless trying to convince a racist. They are so embedded in their own privileged position in society, and have no empathy to appreciate other positions, they cannot change.

In a truly civilised society racism, homophobia, transphobia, and all the other irrational hatreds against others for no reason but them being other, would be treated as symptoms of mental illness. A mental illness that is contagious and harmful to others.

In a civilised society Donald Trump would not be president of the USA, in a position where he is spreading his disease, instead he would be being treated with kindness and medication in a secure facility."

Be careful you don’t fall over the far left side of the world

So by your own definition you might be racist ?

And if I call you a racist and you deny it, in means your racist ?

God don’t start all that privilege stuff

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"I've not even read these tweets .I decided he was a white supremacists racist sack of shit after Charlottesville...

Sack of shyte....period.....Total loser

Billionaire, leader of the free world, hell of a wife. Yeah loser lol

White supremacists ... "

Of course he is, that’s why record numbers of people of colour are leaving the democrats and are joining trumps support

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I've not even read these tweets .I decided he was a white supremacists racist sack of shit after Charlottesville...

Sack of shyte....period.....Total loser

Billionaire, leader of the free world, hell of a wife. Yeah loser lol

White supremacists ...

Of course he is, that’s why record numbers of people of colour are leaving the democrats and are joining trumps support "

Trumpanzees are always entertaining ..

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

Trump is trying to frame the 2020 election by characterising the true custodian of American values as white and christian.

It is overtly racist.

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"I've not even read these tweets .I decided he was a white supremacists racist sack of shit after Charlottesville...

Sack of shyte....period.....Total loser

Billionaire, leader of the free world, hell of a wife. Yeah loser lol

White supremacists ...

Of course he is, that’s why record numbers of people of colour are leaving the democrats and are joining trumps support

Trumpanzees are always entertaining .. "

You do know you can actually educate yourself on these matters and not just go on what people have told you.

Out of interest who do you think wins the 2020 elections?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Trump is trying to frame the 2020 election by characterising the true custodian of American values as white and christian.

It is overtly racist."

White Americans first ..

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

It's about his only ability to pull together his band of clueless supporters, to stoke their hatred of others, in the hope that he can gain re-election from that core of straight, white people where he's been cultivating their viewpoints for a couple of years.

He'll alienate others - those who aren't particularly prone to racism, many minorities etc and floating voters who may pull away from the republicans. His tweets etc hit the headlines frequently, so there'll be many more before the elections. A steady drip feeding of the bile that foments discontent, hatred and division. It's divide and conquer again, as we've also seen in the UK. where many people have mindsets that are happy to project hate towards immigrants, the disabled, people on benefits etc, when the ultra right wing pulls the strings of the puppets.

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By *ensualtouch15Man  over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"It's about his only ability to pull together his band of clueless supporters, to stoke their hatred of others, in the hope that he can gain re-election from that core of straight, white people where he's been cultivating their viewpoints for a couple of years.

He'll alienate others - those who aren't particularly prone to racism, many minorities etc and floating voters who may pull away from the republicans. His tweets etc hit the headlines frequently, so there'll be many more before the elections. A steady drip feeding of the bile that foments discontent, hatred and division. It's divide and conquer again, as we've also seen in the UK. where many people have mindsets that are happy to project hate towards immigrants, the disabled, people on benefits etc, when the ultra right wing pulls the strings of the puppets."

Spot on ,sadly

In my opinion , it's a classic example of the starwars metaphor, the dark side is winning its subtle plot to breed hatred , pit human against human , sibling against sibling , who wins the rich people making guns , bombs ,all mannor or security that hatred of others insists we need

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"It's about his only ability to pull together his band of clueless supporters, to stoke their hatred of others, in the hope that he can gain re-election from that core of straight, white people where he's been cultivating their viewpoints for a couple of years.

He'll alienate others - those who aren't particularly prone to racism, many minorities etc and floating voters who may pull away from the republicans. His tweets etc hit the headlines frequently, so there'll be many more before the elections. A steady drip feeding of the bile that foments discontent, hatred and division. It's divide and conquer again, as we've also seen in the UK. where many people have mindsets that are happy to project hate towards immigrants, the disabled, people on benefits etc, when the ultra right wing pulls the strings of the puppets."

“ I’m saying all this because my friend said it and a friend of a friend told her so it must be true “

You are priceless, try thinking for yourself

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It's about his only ability to pull together his band of clueless supporters, to stoke their hatred of others, in the hope that he can gain re-election from that core of straight, white people where he's been cultivating their viewpoints for a couple of years.

He'll alienate others - those who aren't particularly prone to racism, many minorities etc and floating voters who may pull away from the republicans. His tweets etc hit the headlines frequently, so there'll be many more before the elections. A steady drip feeding of the bile that foments discontent, hatred and division. It's divide and conquer again, as we've also seen in the UK. where many people have mindsets that are happy to project hate towards immigrants, the disabled, people on benefits etc, when the ultra right wing pulls the strings of the puppets.

Spot on ,sadly

In my opinion , it's a classic example of the starwars metaphor, the dark side is winning its subtle plot to breed hatred , pit human against human , sibling against sibling , who wins the rich people making guns , bombs ,all mannor or security that hatred of others insists we need "

Yeah absolutely on the money...It's the politics of hate and division...

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is

They don't come from there. They didn't leave those places. They are as American as he is.

Have you ever been told to go back to where you came from?

If someone said that to someone from my background, as they have, what do you think they mean by it?

Are you telling me that the USA isn't broken and crime-infested?

I struggle to see how you can say he wasn't being racist, it's just the words )and presumably their order and overall meaning) that "seem" to be.

There or what places ?

Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia and came to the US as a refugee and is now a US citizen ( as I’m sure your aware )

Ilhan has openly showed a like for al-qaida and protected al-qaida, she has openly showed her dislike of America

Somalia has terrorist links to al-qaida responsible for a Kenyan shopping mall bombing

So now put in to context his words, in there spat he says go home, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done.

Not a go back to where you came from

Is USA crime ridden- yes just like every other country

But the economy is booming

Unemployment is at record lows

Black unemployment

Hispanic unemployment

Female unemployment

Tax cuts

Interest rates being cut

Don’t think USA is in such a bad state really

If you take a different meaning I’m sure you can find racism , but his words tell a different story "

First, it is not just about Omar. He is also talking about three US born Congress women.

Omar moved the the USA when she was 10 and is a US citizen. She didn't choose to go anywhere.

Omar has not shown any sympathy for terrorist groups. Trump just says that she has.

Have you checked yourself? What she actually said, not what was reported.

There is record employment as the continuation of a process that started from 2010. Look at the graph. It's a straight line. The same with GDP and the stock market.

It just has not been broken.

New jobs, like in the UK, have not been permanent and full time. They have been part time and casual. Like here, the definition of employed includes just an hour a week. Like here, if you are not looking for work because you have given up or are I'll, you are not unemployed.

Why should black, Hispanic or female employment diverge from any national trend? Are they any better paid on average or do they still tend to hold the most menial positions?

Tax cuts were or corporations and the wealthy. The rich have benefitted by far the greatest amount.

I'm not sure that you are as unsure as you make out. I get the impression that you have already made up your mind and just want your opinion endorsed.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"I've not even read these tweets .I decided he was a white supremacists racist sack of shit after Charlottesville...

Sack of shyte....period.....Total loser

Billionaire, leader of the free world, hell of a wife. Yeah loser lol

White supremacists ...

Of course he is, that’s why record numbers of people of colour are leaving the democrats and are joining trumps support "

Based on what data?

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"I've not even read these tweets .I decided he was a white supremacists racist sack of shit after Charlottesville...

Sack of shyte....period.....Total loser

Billionaire, leader of the free world, hell of a wife. Yeah loser lol"

Billionaire?

Apparently he hasn't been making enough money to pay tax.

How is he a billionaire?

Politicians have got power by blaming some group or other for every problem over millennia. Not original. We just seem to have lived through a period where this was less frequent.

Hell of a wife how? Because she's pretty but doesn't like him touching her?

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By *olly_ch_omaticTV/TS  over a year ago

Stockport


"Most racists do not even realise that they are racist. They come from a privileged position, where they cannot even see their own privilege. They don't understand how the things they say against a minority group could possibly be offensive, as if those remarks were turned around against them they would agree "yes i am from a privileged group, thank you for the compliment". They do not have the empathy to appreciate the position of the people they insult, or even that they are insulting. They speak from a position of "that's the way things are, and it's okay for me, so I can't see how it can be bad for anyone else".

If you tell a racist that they are being racist, they will deny it, and will say that you must be racist for taking offence.

It's pointless trying to convince a racist. They are so embedded in their own privileged position in society, and have no empathy to appreciate other positions, they cannot change.

In a truly civilised society racism, homophobia, transphobia, and all the other irrational hatreds against others for no reason but them being other, would be treated as symptoms of mental illness. A mental illness that is contagious and harmful to others.

In a civilised society Donald Trump would not be president of the USA, in a position where he is spreading his disease, instead he would be being treated with kindness and medication in a secure facility.

Be careful you don’t fall over the far left side of the world

So by your own definition you might be racist ?

And if I call you a racist and you deny it, in means your racist ?

God don’t start all that privilege stuff"

By my own definition i acknowledge that i have a privileged position in society, i won a lottery by being born with white skin, and with parents who were not rich but got on okay and didn't abuse their children. I acknowledge that the societal background i have knew very little about other cultures, and that i have had to work at getting to know about those cultures. I acknowledge that as a child, and as a younger adult there have been times that i believed things and thought things and said things that i now realise were profoundly, but unknowingly, prejudiced and racist in attitude. (And homophobic, transphobic, ableist, mysogynist). I am rather glad for myself that these have not been systematic attitudes, but occasional almost unknowing attitudes. That still does not excuse them. I acknowledge that there are still occasions where i may feel or even say things that will cause offence to others. However i acknowledge these flaws in my character, i try to empathise with others, i try to do better.

So yes, by my own definition i am racist (and homophobic and transphobic and ableist and mysogynist and many other prejudices), but i know it and i am trying to do better.

How about you?

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is

They don't come from there. They didn't leave those places. They are as American as he is.

Have you ever been told to go back to where you came from?

If someone said that to someone from my background, as they have, what do you think they mean by it?

Are you telling me that the USA isn't broken and crime-infested?

I struggle to see how you can say he wasn't being racist, it's just the words )and presumably their order and overall meaning) that "seem" to be.

There or what places ?

Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia and came to the US as a refugee and is now a US citizen ( as I’m sure your aware )

Ilhan has openly showed a like for al-qaida and protected al-qaida, she has openly showed her dislike of America

Somalia has terrorist links to al-qaida responsible for a Kenyan shopping mall bombing

So now put in to context his words, in there spat he says go home, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done.

Not a go back to where you came from

Is USA crime ridden- yes just like every other country

But the economy is booming

Unemployment is at record lows

Black unemployment

Hispanic unemployment

Female unemployment

Tax cuts

Interest rates being cut

Don’t think USA is in such a bad state really

If you take a different meaning I’m sure you can find racism , but his words tell a different story

First, it is not just about Omar. He is also talking about three US born Congress women.

Omar moved the the USA when she was 10 and is a US citizen. She didn't choose to go anywhere.

Omar has not shown any sympathy for terrorist groups. Trump just says that she has.

Have you checked yourself? What she actually said, not what was reported.

There is record employment as the continuation of a process that started from 2010. Look at the graph. It's a straight line. The same with GDP and the stock market.

It just has not been broken.

New jobs, like in the UK, have not been permanent and full time. They have been part time and casual. Like here, the definition of employed includes just an hour a week. Like here, if you are not looking for work because you have given up or are I'll, you are not unemployed.

Why should black, Hispanic or female employment diverge from any national trend? Are they any better paid on average or do they still tend to hold the most menial positions?

Tax cuts were or corporations and the wealthy. The rich have benefitted by far the greatest amount.

I'm not sure that you are as unsure as you make out. I get the impression that you have already made up your mind and just want your opinion endorsed."

So if it’s a downward trend you agree he’s doing a great job along with the 4 million jobs created

So you think trump actually meant go back home fix the problems come back and tell us how fix it, to the other 3 congress women ? That’s a stretch even for the left especially when it’s clear it was Ilhan he was on about

I mention people of colour, Hispanic and woman as you be quite concerned about this racism so thought it was worth mentioning.

So do tax cuts and interest rates being lowered only benefit the rich ?? I would of guessed everyone has more money in there pocket meaning everyone benefits.

Jobs ? Well don’t know what jobs people have, I guess what people are qualified in and have experience in , surly lowest ever is a good thing ? Or is it bad

And concerning Ilhan yes read the the 2 articles and interviews today ( have a look online ) and previously seen the vid

And am I unsure, well I can only go on context and the exact words written and not spinning the words to fit a narrative, I would 90% say confidently say it wasn’t racist, 100% not meant as racist ( he’s a dic so quite possibly hit the send button before reading lol )

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"I've not even read these tweets .I decided he was a white supremacists racist sack of shit after Charlottesville...

Sack of shyte....period.....Total loser

Billionaire, leader of the free world, hell of a wife. Yeah loser lol

Billionaire?

Apparently he hasn't been making enough money to pay tax.

How is he a billionaire?

Politicians have got power by blaming some group or other for every problem over millennia. Not original. We just seem to have lived through a period where this was less frequent.

Hell of a wife how? Because she's pretty but doesn't like him touching her?"

To be fair and not a dig but we all know how rich and poor business owners can avoid paying a lot of tax, right or wrong we know all business can

Lol and well she’s still nice to look at

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"Most racists do not even realise that they are racist. They come from a privileged position, where they cannot even see their own privilege. They don't understand how the things they say against a minority group could possibly be offensive, as if those remarks were turned around against them they would agree "yes i am from a privileged group, thank you for the compliment". They do not have the empathy to appreciate the position of the people they insult, or even that they are insulting. They speak from a position of "that's the way things are, and it's okay for me, so I can't see how it can be bad for anyone else".

If you tell a racist that they are being racist, they will deny it, and will say that you must be racist for taking offence.

It's pointless trying to convince a racist. They are so embedded in their own privileged position in society, and have no empathy to appreciate other positions, they cannot change.

In a truly civilised society racism, homophobia, transphobia, and all the other irrational hatreds against others for no reason but them being other, would be treated as symptoms of mental illness. A mental illness that is contagious and harmful to others.

In a civilised society Donald Trump would not be president of the USA, in a position where he is spreading his disease, instead he would be being treated with kindness and medication in a secure facility.

Be careful you don’t fall over the far left side of the world

So by your own definition you might be racist ?

And if I call you a racist and you deny it, in means your racist ?

God don’t start all that privilege stuff

By my own definition i acknowledge that i have a privileged position in society, i won a lottery by being born with white skin, and with parents who were not rich but got on okay and didn't abuse their children. I acknowledge that the societal background i have knew very little about other cultures, and that i have had to work at getting to know about those cultures. I acknowledge that as a child, and as a younger adult there have been times that i believed things and thought things and said things that i now realise were profoundly, but unknowingly, prejudiced and racist in attitude. (And homophobic, transphobic, ableist, mysogynist). I am rather glad for myself that these have not been systematic attitudes, but occasional almost unknowing attitudes. That still does not excuse them. I acknowledge that there are still occasions where i may feel or even say things that will cause offence to others. However i acknowledge these flaws in my character, i try to empathise with others, i try to do better.

So yes, by my own definition i am racist (and homophobic and transphobic and ableist and mysogynist and many other prejudices), but i know it and i am trying to do better.

How about you?"

Racist lol

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"I've not even read these tweets .I decided he was a white supremacists racist sack of shit after Charlottesville...

Sack of shyte....period.....Total loser

Billionaire, leader of the free world, hell of a wife. Yeah loser lol

White supremacists ...

Of course he is, that’s why record numbers of people of colour are leaving the democrats and are joining trumps support

Based on what data?"

Polling data

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Most racists do not even realise that they are racist. They come from a privileged position, where they cannot even see their own privilege. They don't understand how the things they say against a minority group could possibly be offensive, as if those remarks were turned around against them they would agree "yes i am from a privileged group, thank you for the compliment". They do not have the empathy to appreciate the position of the people they insult, or even that they are insulting. They speak from a position of "that's the way things are, and it's okay for me, so I can't see how it can be bad for anyone else".

If you tell a racist that they are being racist, they will deny it, and will say that you must be racist for taking offence.

It's pointless trying to convince a racist. They are so embedded in their own privileged position in society, and have no empathy to appreciate other positions, they cannot change.

In a truly civilised society racism, homophobia, transphobia, and all the other irrational hatreds against others for no reason but them being other, would be treated as symptoms of mental illness. A mental illness that is contagious and harmful to others.

In a civilised society Donald Trump would not be president of the USA, in a position where he is spreading his disease, instead he would be being treated with kindness and medication in a secure facility."

.

Ah the old 1984 thought crime, people who think differently should be in mental asylums, rehabilitated, probed, locked away for the good of the masses?.

Of course there was a time when all those things were the norm of society and still are in some societies, it's a good job we were given the ability to talk and think freely, to be free from persecution from the state, it got us away from that norm where today the UK is according to the UN one of the most tolerant countries on this planet we call earth!.

Thank God we didn't listen to voices like yours way back then, I just hope nobody makes that mistake in the future.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

While your all on your high horses about racism and the good ol' USA I thought I'd quickly Google the MOST RACIST COUNTRIES .

Holy shit were not on it and neither is the capital of white supremacists the USA.

In fact it was quite surprising to see who was on it, so according to the UN study it was in order over most racist.

India Lebanon Bahrain Libya Egypt The Philippines Kuwait Palestine South Africa South Korea Malaysia Nigeria Iraq Kyrgyzstan Ecuador Algeria Pakistan Yemen Hong Kong Russia Thailand Cyprus Turkey Morocco Japan.

I mean Russia lower than Palestine who'd have thought that, or USA lower than the Yemen, Britain lower than Nigeria?.

Startling

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Wiki has a whole page on racism by country.

Interesting one from the Congo.

Ethnic pygmy populations in Central Africa suffer from racialized discrimination from Bantu groups.[2] Pygmies and Bantus differ physically and genetically due to long lasting evolutionary separation until the Bantu expansion brought them back into close contact.[3] Pygmies have been targeted for slavery by Bantu populations continuing into the modern age.[2] They are frequently ostracized from participation into the wider society in the various African countries that they live in and are seen as untouchables.[2] Racially-motivated attacks constantly occur on Pygmies including r#pe and cannibalization.[4][5].

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Liberia in Africa my god what a bunch of racists they are!!.

There constitution actually prohibits anybody holding Liberian nationality or working in government who isn't black.

I mean you'd think this would be front page news?

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is

They don't come from there. They didn't leave those places. They are as American as he is.

Have you ever been told to go back to where you came from?

If someone said that to someone from my background, as they have, what do you think they mean by it?

Are you telling me that the USA isn't broken and crime-infested?

I struggle to see how you can say he wasn't being racist, it's just the words )and presumably their order and overall meaning) that "seem" to be.

There or what places ?

Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia and came to the US as a refugee and is now a US citizen ( as I’m sure your aware )

Ilhan has openly showed a like for al-qaida and protected al-qaida, she has openly showed her dislike of America

Somalia has terrorist links to al-qaida responsible for a Kenyan shopping mall bombing

So now put in to context his words, in there spat he says go home, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done.

Not a go back to where you came from

Is USA crime ridden- yes just like every other country

But the economy is booming

Unemployment is at record lows

Black unemployment

Hispanic unemployment

Female unemployment

Tax cuts

Interest rates being cut

Don’t think USA is in such a bad state really

If you take a different meaning I’m sure you can find racism , but his words tell a different story

First, it is not just about Omar. He is also talking about three US born Congress women.

Omar moved the the USA when she was 10 and is a US citizen. She didn't choose to go anywhere.

Omar has not shown any sympathy for terrorist groups. Trump just says that she has.

Have you checked yourself? What she actually said, not what was reported.

There is record employment as the continuation of a process that started from 2010. Look at the graph. It's a straight line. The same with GDP and the stock market.

It just has not been broken.

New jobs, like in the UK, have not been permanent and full time. They have been part time and casual. Like here, the definition of employed includes just an hour a week. Like here, if you are not looking for work because you have given up or are I'll, you are not unemployed.

Why should black, Hispanic or female employment diverge from any national trend? Are they any better paid on average or do they still tend to hold the most menial positions?

Tax cuts were or corporations and the wealthy. The rich have benefitted by far the greatest amount.

I'm not sure that you are as unsure as you make out. I get the impression that you have already made up your mind and just want your opinion endorsed.

So if it’s a downward trend you agree he’s doing a great job along with the 4 million jobs created

So you think trump actually meant go back home fix the problems come back and tell us how fix it, to the other 3 congress women ? That’s a stretch even for the left especially when it’s clear it was Ilhan he was on about

I mention people of colour, Hispanic and woman as you be quite concerned about this racism so thought it was worth mentioning.

So do tax cuts and interest rates being lowered only benefit the rich ?? I would of guessed everyone has more money in there pocket meaning everyone benefits.

Jobs ? Well don’t know what jobs people have, I guess what people are qualified in and have experience in , surly lowest ever is a good thing ? Or is it bad

And concerning Ilhan yes read the the 2 articles and interviews today ( have a look online ) and previously seen the vid

And am I unsure, well I can only go on context and the exact words written and not spinning the words to fit a narrative, I would 90% say confidently say it wasn’t racist, 100% not meant as racist ( he’s a dic so quite possibly hit the send button before reading lol )"

I said, quite plainly that he has not done anything to improve the economy growth or employment rate. It is almost unchanged from long before he started.

If you travel at a constant speed you will have gone further after two hours than you had after one hour. That doesn't mean that you've actually done anything other than keep your foot in the same place or leave it on cruise control.

Lowest ever unemployment rate is great as a statistic but he hasn't done anything to affect it. I also made it clear that statistic is meaningless if you are employed working one hour a week. It doesn't matter if that's Obama or Trump.

Again, if people are from a minority and they are benefitting in the same way as everyone else then it is as they should be. However, those minorities have the least well paid jobs. That has not changed.

The biggest benefits, go to the top 1 percent, who are projected to receive an average tax break of $62,000 in 2018, while the middle one-fifth of income earners got an average tax cut of $1,090 — about $20 per biweekly paycheck. The poorer you are the less you benefit.

So yes, the wealthy benefit far more.

The tax cuts are also projected to increase the defecit by $1.9 trillion over ten years.

I posted the tweet which you hadn't read but had an opinion on. You still haven't read it it seems.

You are the one refering to making a decision based on the words he's written, so if he is not telling them to go back home, what is he saying?

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came"

Are they not American? If they were born there do they come from somewhere else.

I'll ask you again, if I'm told to go back to where I came from, what do you think the intent is?

Who is he referring to here? One woman or several?

'“Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries'

What two articles are you talking about that you've read?

If you want to cheerlead for Trump that's fine but don't pretend that you have an open mind about it and aren't sure.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Wiki has a whole page on racism by country.

Interesting one from the Congo.

Ethnic pygmy populations in Central Africa suffer from racialized discrimination from Bantu groups.[2] Pygmies and Bantus differ physically and genetically due to long lasting evolutionary separation until the Bantu expansion brought them back into close contact.[3] Pygmies have been targeted for slavery by Bantu populations continuing into the modern age.[2] They are frequently ostracized from participation into the wider society in the various African countries that they live in and are seen as untouchables.[2] Racially-motivated attacks constantly occur on Pygmies including r#pe and cannibalization.[4][5].

"

That is racist.

That doesn't make racism here or in the USA OK. Particularly when the President of the USA has rather more influence, power and publicity than an average Bantu bigot.

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By *eavenNhellCouple  over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

i see tresame is condeming the "go back home " coment didnt she sen vans with this very message daubed along the side around the poorer parts of london whilst home secratery how quickly they forget the hypacrite

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Wiki has a whole page on racism by country.

Interesting one from the Congo.

Ethnic pygmy populations in Central Africa suffer from racialized discrimination from Bantu groups.[2] Pygmies and Bantus differ physically and genetically due to long lasting evolutionary separation until the Bantu expansion brought them back into close contact.[3] Pygmies have been targeted for slavery by Bantu populations continuing into the modern age.[2] They are frequently ostracized from participation into the wider society in the various African countries that they live in and are seen as untouchables.[2] Racially-motivated attacks constantly occur on Pygmies including r#pe and cannibalization.[4][5].

That is racist.

That doesn't make racism here or in the USA OK. Particularly when the President of the USA has rather more influence, power and publicity than an average Bantu bigot."

.

What about ilhan Omar do you think she has more influence over Somalians than trump?.

What do you think the polling suggests?.

Here's some Somali racism.

The Somali Bantu ethnic minority face significant stigmatization in Somali society due to their differing physical appearance and ancestry from the Cushitic-origin majority of Somalia. Racialized epithets targeted at the Somali Bantu community exist such as 'adoon' (slave) similar in connotation to the Arabic term abeed. The marginalization of the Somali Bantu community is primarily based on ethnoracial factors, unlike the marginalization of the Madhiban and other Somali-origin minorities which is primarily based on their status as a socially constructed caste.[50] Ethnic Somalis and populations of Bantu stock are genetically divergent.[51][52] Racially-motivated attacks on Somali Bantus have occurred.[53][54]

The 4.5 parliamentary formula under the Transitional Federal Government has been criticized as a form of legislative apartheid.[55.

APARTHEID

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"I've not even read these tweets .I decided he was a white supremacists racist sack of shit after Charlottesville...

Sack of shyte....period.....Total loser

Billionaire, leader of the free world, hell of a wife. Yeah loser lol

White supremacists ...

Of course he is, that’s why record numbers of people of colour are leaving the democrats and are joining trumps support

Based on what data?

Polling data"

What poll? One out of how many? What is a record number?

If no more than 10% have ever voted Republican then 10.1% is a record number.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The Bantu bigot you say?.

But here they are in Somalia being persecuted.

Are they still bigots or now victims?.

I lose track in this leftist identitarian world were given.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Wiki has a whole page on racism by country.

Interesting one from the Congo.

Ethnic pygmy populations in Central Africa suffer from racialized discrimination from Bantu groups.[2] Pygmies and Bantus differ physically and genetically due to long lasting evolutionary separation until the Bantu expansion brought them back into close contact.[3] Pygmies have been targeted for slavery by Bantu populations continuing into the modern age.[2] They are frequently ostracized from participation into the wider society in the various African countries that they live in and are seen as untouchables.[2] Racially-motivated attacks constantly occur on Pygmies including r#pe and cannibalization.[4][5].

That is racist.

That doesn't make racism here or in the USA OK. Particularly when the President of the USA has rather more influence, power and publicity than an average Bantu bigot..

What about ilhan Omar do you think she has more influence over Somalians than trump?.

What do you think the polling suggests?.

Here's some Somali racism.

The Somali Bantu ethnic minority face significant stigmatization in Somali society due to their differing physical appearance and ancestry from the Cushitic-origin majority of Somalia. Racialized epithets targeted at the Somali Bantu community exist such as 'adoon' (slave) similar in connotation to the Arabic term abeed. The marginalization of the Somali Bantu community is primarily based on ethnoracial factors, unlike the marginalization of the Madhiban and other Somali-origin minorities which is primarily based on their status as a socially constructed caste.[50] Ethnic Somalis and populations of Bantu stock are genetically divergent.[51][52] Racially-motivated attacks on Somali Bantus have occurred.[53][54]

The 4.5 parliamentary formula under the Transitional Federal Government has been criticized as a form of legislative apartheid.[55.

APARTHEID "

What has Omar said that is racist or that you actually disagree with?

Is she more influential internationally than the President of the USA? Nope.

The big chunks of text that you have cut and pasted indicate racism. I agreed with you.

Does that make racism anywhere else OK?

What point are you actually trying to make?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Wiki has a whole page on racism by country.

Interesting one from the Congo.

Ethnic pygmy populations in Central Africa suffer from racialized discrimination from Bantu groups.[2] Pygmies and Bantus differ physically and genetically due to long lasting evolutionary separation until the Bantu expansion brought them back into close contact.[3] Pygmies have been targeted for slavery by Bantu populations continuing into the modern age.[2] They are frequently ostracized from participation into the wider society in the various African countries that they live in and are seen as untouchables.[2] Racially-motivated attacks constantly occur on Pygmies including r#pe and cannibalization.[4][5].

That is racist.

That doesn't make racism here or in the USA OK. Particularly when the President of the USA has rather more influence, power and publicity than an average Bantu bigot..

What about ilhan Omar do you think she has more influence over Somalians than trump?.

What do you think the polling suggests?.

Here's some Somali racism.

The Somali Bantu ethnic minority face significant stigmatization in Somali society due to their differing physical appearance and ancestry from the Cushitic-origin majority of Somalia. Racialized epithets targeted at the Somali Bantu community exist such as 'adoon' (slave) similar in connotation to the Arabic term abeed. The marginalization of the Somali Bantu community is primarily based on ethnoracial factors, unlike the marginalization of the Madhiban and other Somali-origin minorities which is primarily based on their status as a socially constructed caste.[50] Ethnic Somalis and populations of Bantu stock are genetically divergent.[51][52] Racially-motivated attacks on Somali Bantus have occurred.[53][54]

The 4.5 parliamentary formula under the Transitional Federal Government has been criticized as a form of legislative apartheid.[55.

APARTHEID

What has Omar said that is racist or that you actually disagree with?

Is she more influential internationally than the President of the USA? Nope.

The big chunks of text that you have cut and pasted indicate racism. I agreed with you.

Does that make racism anywhere else OK?

What point are you actually trying to make?"

.

your not going to answer my question then?.

Does ilhan Omar have more influence over Somalis than Donald trump?.

What do you think polling suggests?.

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

Omar was accused of anti-semitism by Trump for describing Israel as an apartheid regime.

Nelson Mandela described the treatment of Palestians as apartheid, but I do not remember him being branded anti-semite.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Does anybody in Africa give a flying fuck about Donald trump's tweets?, do they fuck, they want water, electricity, roads, prosperity and racism!.

When do they want it, now

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Wiki has a whole page on racism by country.

Interesting one from the Congo.

Ethnic pygmy populations in Central Africa suffer from racialized discrimination from Bantu groups.[2] Pygmies and Bantus differ physically and genetically due to long lasting evolutionary separation until the Bantu expansion brought them back into close contact.[3] Pygmies have been targeted for slavery by Bantu populations continuing into the modern age.[2] They are frequently ostracized from participation into the wider society in the various African countries that they live in and are seen as untouchables.[2] Racially-motivated attacks constantly occur on Pygmies including r#pe and cannibalization.[4][5].

That is racist.

That doesn't make racism here or in the USA OK. Particularly when the President of the USA has rather more influence, power and publicity than an average Bantu bigot..

What about ilhan Omar do you think she has more influence over Somalians than trump?.

What do you think the polling suggests?.

Here's some Somali racism.

The Somali Bantu ethnic minority face significant stigmatization in Somali society due to their differing physical appearance and ancestry from the Cushitic-origin majority of Somalia. Racialized epithets targeted at the Somali Bantu community exist such as 'adoon' (slave) similar in connotation to the Arabic term abeed. The marginalization of the Somali Bantu community is primarily based on ethnoracial factors, unlike the marginalization of the Madhiban and other Somali-origin minorities which is primarily based on their status as a socially constructed caste.[50] Ethnic Somalis and populations of Bantu stock are genetically divergent.[51][52] Racially-motivated attacks on Somali Bantus have occurred.[53][54]

The 4.5 parliamentary formula under the Transitional Federal Government has been criticized as a form of legislative apartheid.[55.

APARTHEID

What has Omar said that is racist or that you actually disagree with?

Is she more influential internationally than the President of the USA? Nope.

The big chunks of text that you have cut and pasted indicate racism. I agreed with you.

Does that make racism anywhere else OK?

What point are you actually trying to make?.

your not going to answer my question then?.

Does ilhan Omar have more influence over Somalis than Donald trump?.

What do you think polling suggests?."

I have no idea chum. Point me towards some specific polling data about Omar.

Why is it relevant?

What about the other three Congress women?

What would you like to say about them?

If you are going to pretend that the words and deeds of the President of the USA has no effect on the world then it's your own curious position to have.

Do the racist attitudes in one part of the world make them OK somewhere else?

Do I have to ask a more basic question? Is racism acceptable?

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Does anybody in Africa give a flying fuck about Donald trump's tweets?, do they fuck, they want water, electricity, roads, prosperity and racism!.

When do they want it, now"

Again, what is your point?

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is

They don't come from there. They didn't leave those places. They are as American as he is.

Have you ever been told to go back to where you came from?

If someone said that to someone from my background, as they have, what do you think they mean by it?

Are you telling me that the USA isn't broken and crime-infested?

I struggle to see how you can say he wasn't being racist, it's just the words )and presumably their order and overall meaning) that "seem" to be.

There or what places ?

Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia and came to the US as a refugee and is now a US citizen ( as I’m sure your aware )

Ilhan has openly showed a like for al-qaida and protected al-qaida, she has openly showed her dislike of America

Somalia has terrorist links to al-qaida responsible for a Kenyan shopping mall bombing

So now put in to context his words, in there spat he says go home, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done.

Not a go back to where you came from

Is USA crime ridden- yes just like every other country

But the economy is booming

Unemployment is at record lows

Black unemployment

Hispanic unemployment

Female unemployment

Tax cuts

Interest rates being cut

Don’t think USA is in such a bad state really

If you take a different meaning I’m sure you can find racism , but his words tell a different story

First, it is not just about Omar. He is also talking about three US born Congress women.

Omar moved the the USA when she was 10 and is a US citizen. She didn't choose to go anywhere.

Omar has not shown any sympathy for terrorist groups. Trump just says that she has.

Have you checked yourself? What she actually said, not what was reported.

There is record employment as the continuation of a process that started from 2010. Look at the graph. It's a straight line. The same with GDP and the stock market.

It just has not been broken.

New jobs, like in the UK, have not been permanent and full time. They have been part time and casual. Like here, the definition of employed includes just an hour a week. Like here, if you are not looking for work because you have given up or are I'll, you are not unemployed.

Why should black, Hispanic or female employment diverge from any national trend? Are they any better paid on average or do they still tend to hold the most menial positions?

Tax cuts were or corporations and the wealthy. The rich have benefitted by far the greatest amount.

I'm not sure that you are as unsure as you make out. I get the impression that you have already made up your mind and just want your opinion endorsed.

So if it’s a downward trend you agree he’s doing a great job along with the 4 million jobs created

So you think trump actually meant go back home fix the problems come back and tell us how fix it, to the other 3 congress women ? That’s a stretch even for the left especially when it’s clear it was Ilhan he was on about

I mention people of colour, Hispanic and woman as you be quite concerned about this racism so thought it was worth mentioning.

So do tax cuts and interest rates being lowered only benefit the rich ?? I would of guessed everyone has more money in there pocket meaning everyone benefits.

Jobs ? Well don’t know what jobs people have, I guess what people are qualified in and have experience in , surly lowest ever is a good thing ? Or is it bad

And concerning Ilhan yes read the the 2 articles and interviews today ( have a look online ) and previously seen the vid

And am I unsure, well I can only go on context and the exact words written and not spinning the words to fit a narrative, I would 90% say confidently say it wasn’t racist, 100% not meant as racist ( he’s a dic so quite possibly hit the send button before reading lol )

I said, quite plainly that he has not done anything to improve the economy growth or employment rate. It is almost unchanged from long before he started.

If you travel at a constant speed you will have gone further after two hours than you had after one hour. That doesn't mean that you've actually done anything other than keep your foot in the same place or leave it on cruise control.

Lowest ever unemployment rate is great as a statistic but he hasn't done anything to affect it. I also made it clear that statistic is meaningless if you are employed working one hour a week. It doesn't matter if that's Obama or Trump.

Again, if people are from a minority and they are benefitting in the same way as everyone else then it is as they should be. However, those minorities have the least well paid jobs. That has not changed.

The biggest benefits, go to the top 1 percent, who are projected to receive an average tax break of $62,000 in 2018, while the middle one-fifth of income earners got an average tax cut of $1,090 — about $20 per biweekly paycheck. The poorer you are the less you benefit.

So yes, the wealthy benefit far more.

The tax cuts are also projected to increase the defecit by $1.9 trillion over ten years.

I posted the tweet which you hadn't read but had an opinion on. You still haven't read it it seems.

You are the one refering to making a decision based on the words he's written, so if he is not telling them to go back home, what is he saying?

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came"

Are they not American? If they were born there do they come from somewhere else.

I'll ask you again, if I'm told to go back to where I came from, what do you think the intent is?

Who is he referring to here? One woman or several?

'“Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries'

What two articles are you talking about that you've read?

If you want to cheerlead for Trump that's fine but don't pretend that you have an open mind about it and aren't sure."

Lol I have enjoyed this

So an additional 4 million jobs hasn’t made a different ?

Tax cut and lower interest rates mean it’s the same for all and same would apply everywhere, if you earned £100k a year or £10k a year you still benefit from the cuts but obviously the ones earning more benefit more that’s just basic isnt it ?

If a minority or a none minority dosent have the education or experience I doubt either would get a managing director role

Of course it increases the trade deficit but luckily trump is re doing lots of trade agreements and will bring in billions more ( and is already ) than the previous agreements

Sorry you want to focus on the words could you point out where it states “ go back home “ or “ why don’t they go back where you come from “ as you said as I must of missed that sorry

In relation to polls and articles they are online I’m sure it won’t take you long to find I can’t do it all for you

I’m not a particular fan of trump I’m definitely more centre than anything. Just dislike the left and there spin on everything and cut down trump all the time, yes he’s a dic ( but a much better option than Hillary mind ) but I genuinely think he’s put the states in a far better place than when he found it and if the dems just worked with him a tiny bit for the good of the country I’m sure it would be a far better place

Anyway we have discussed this plenty today and have a busy night.

I have enjoyed this debate and thank you for your point of view and your passion, I’m sure we will disagree on something again in the future lol

Thanks again and enjoy the rest of your day

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It's always good to see the far right try to legitimise their racism and attempt to bring their twisted ideology into mainstream politics.Its their modus operandi

Never going to happen kids ...

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"It's always good to see the far right try to legitimise their racism and attempt to bring their twisted ideology into mainstream politics.Its their modus operandi

Never going to happen kids ... "

Spin spin spin that narrative lefties

So who will win the 2020 elections do you think ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It's always good to see the far right try to legitimise their racism and attempt to bring their twisted ideology into mainstream politics.Its their modus operandi

Never going to happen kids ...

Spin spin spin that narrative lefties

So who will win the 2020 elections do you think ? "

We will have to wait and see what happens .

but it's nice to see you've self identified and with my post...

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By *omaMan  over a year ago

Glasgow

This time I will concede Trump has crossed that line,

Go Back To Where You Come From is never a good start to a string of tweets is it.

What the man does in the US doesn't really concern me, but his domestic policy has returned more for the country than his foreign policies.

No Donald . . . YOUR MOUTH HAS GONE WAY WAY TOO FAR ON THIS ONE

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"This time I will concede Trump has crossed that line,

Go Back To Where You Come From is never a good start to a string of tweets is it.

What the man does in the US doesn't really concern me, but his domestic policy has returned more for the country than his foreign policies.

No Donald . . . YOUR MOUTH HAS GONE WAY WAY TOO FAR ON THIS ONE "

That’s not what he said mind is it ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Wiki has a whole page on racism by country.

Interesting one from the Congo.

Ethnic pygmy populations in Central Africa suffer from racialized discrimination from Bantu groups.[2] Pygmies and Bantus differ physically and genetically due to long lasting evolutionary separation until the Bantu expansion brought them back into close contact.[3] Pygmies have been targeted for slavery by Bantu populations continuing into the modern age.[2] They are frequently ostracized from participation into the wider society in the various African countries that they live in and are seen as untouchables.[2] Racially-motivated attacks constantly occur on Pygmies including r#pe and cannibalization.[4][5].

That is racist.

That doesn't make racism here or in the USA OK. Particularly when the President of the USA has rather more influence, power and publicity than an average Bantu bigot..

What about ilhan Omar do you think she has more influence over Somalians than trump?.

What do you think the polling suggests?.

Here's some Somali racism.

The Somali Bantu ethnic minority face significant stigmatization in Somali society due to their differing physical appearance and ancestry from the Cushitic-origin majority of Somalia. Racialized epithets targeted at the Somali Bantu community exist such as 'adoon' (slave) similar in connotation to the Arabic term abeed. The marginalization of the Somali Bantu community is primarily based on ethnoracial factors, unlike the marginalization of the Madhiban and other Somali-origin minorities which is primarily based on their status as a socially constructed caste.[50] Ethnic Somalis and populations of Bantu stock are genetically divergent.[51][52] Racially-motivated attacks on Somali Bantus have occurred.[53][54]

The 4.5 parliamentary formula under the Transitional Federal Government has been criticized as a form of legislative apartheid.[55.

APARTHEID

What has Omar said that is racist or that you actually disagree with?

Is she more influential internationally than the President of the USA? Nope.

The big chunks of text that you have cut and pasted indicate racism. I agreed with you.

Does that make racism anywhere else OK?

What point are you actually trying to make?.

your not going to answer my question then?.

Does ilhan Omar have more influence over Somalis than Donald trump?.

What do you think polling suggests?.

I have no idea chum. Point me towards some specific polling data about Omar.

Why is it relevant?

What about the other three Congress women?

What would you like to say about them?

If you are going to pretend that the words and deeds of the President of the USA has no effect on the world then it's your own curious position to have.

Do the racist attitudes in one part of the world make them OK somewhere else?

Do I have to ask a more basic question? Is racism acceptable?"

.

Chum?? .

No I'm just joshing with you old fella.

Do you want to know my opinion on what these tweets are really about?

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By *ensualtouch15Man  over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"This time I will concede Trump has crossed that line,

Go Back To Where You Come From is never a good start to a string of tweets is it.

What the man does in the US doesn't really concern me, but his domestic policy has returned more for the country than his foreign policies.

No Donald . . . YOUR MOUTH HAS GONE WAY WAY TOO FAR ON THIS ONE

That’s not what he said mind is it ? "

What he said was direct equivalence, or do you not understand the concept of analogy paraphrasing, metaphor simile?

You have yet to articulate how what he actually said is not both xenophobic and racist

Racist

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

He told people to leave the USA, based upon a racist premise that they were of a different geographic heritage (race) and despite being full us citizens, they because of their origins (their differing RACE (In trumps head anyway) do not have or should not have an equal right to comment upon us issues

He said from where they come from , that was worse than racist it was ignorant racism of the most vile fundamental nazi style

That was almost certainly based upon their skin colour, maybe religion, but what ever his cue is that identifies foreign it was ignorant racism

It matters not he did not exactly say THE phrase

That phrase is not the only way words can be constructed to convey racist sentiment!!!

I will note , anyone who claims their is no inflammatory racism in trump's tweet has a distorted perspective of how destructive racism/tribalism ,has been and is and how vital that the natural human instinct must be mitigated, and restrained not highlighted and fanned

Or they are just playing a very silly wind up , no one of any credibility could possibly miss the blatant racism from the chief white supremacist x

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By *ore of thatMan  over a year ago

skerries

Give over lads and try get your own country on the straight and narrow .Boris will make Donald look like mother Theresa of Calcutta lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think it's day released for the far right trolls today...

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

It's the equivalent of Theresa May telling Sadiq Khan to quit moaning or go back to his own country. There would be uproar, and rightly so. He's from London.

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By *iliciousCouple  over a year ago

Sussex/Surrey

This shitstorm Trump has manufactured has certainly buried conversation about the story which was breaking a few days ago on his links with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

Of course I’m sure he wouldn’t have done that on purpose, must just be a massive coincidence.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan  over a year ago

here

He certainly knows how to work the media

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"This time I will concede Trump has crossed that line,

Go Back To Where You Come From is never a good start to a string of tweets is it.

What the man does in the US doesn't really concern me, but his domestic policy has returned more for the country than his foreign policies.

No Donald . . . YOUR MOUTH HAS GONE WAY WAY TOO FAR ON THIS ONE

That’s not what he said mind is it ?

What he said was direct equivalence, or do you not understand the concept of analogy paraphrasing, metaphor simile?

You have yet to articulate how what he actually said is not both xenophobic and racist

Racist

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

He told people to leave the USA, based upon a racist premise that they were of a different geographic heritage (race) and despite being full us citizens, they because of their origins (their differing RACE (In trumps head anyway) do not have or should not have an equal right to comment upon us issues

He said from where they come from , that was worse than racist it was ignorant racism of the most vile fundamental nazi style

That was almost certainly based upon their skin colour, maybe religion, but what ever his cue is that identifies foreign it was ignorant racism

It matters not he did not exactly say THE phrase

That phrase is not the only way words can be constructed to convey racist sentiment!!!

I will note , anyone who claims their is no inflammatory racism in trump's tweet has a distorted perspective of how destructive racism/tribalism ,has been and is and how vital that the natural human instinct must be mitigated, and restrained not highlighted and fanned

Or they are just playing a very silly wind up , no one of any credibility could possibly miss the blatant racism from the chief white supremacist x

"

Ok so to summarise you guessing what he meant and not going by the exact words tweeted ,, nice

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"It's the equivalent of Theresa May telling Sadiq Khan to quit moaning or go back to his own country. There would be uproar, and rightly so. He's from London.

"

I agree there would be uproar, but unfortunately that’s not what he said

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"This shitstorm Trump has manufactured has certainly buried conversation about the story which was breaking a few days ago on his links with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

Of course I’m sure he wouldn’t have done that on purpose, must just be a massive coincidence.

The link where trump banned and through out the guy after a lady made a complaint? That one ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This shitstorm Trump has manufactured has certainly buried conversation about the story which was breaking a few days ago on his links with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

Of course I’m sure he wouldn’t have done that on purpose, must just be a massive coincidence.

"

Yes just a coincidence. Trump isn't a bad guy.

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"This shitstorm Trump has manufactured has certainly buried conversation about the story which was breaking a few days ago on his links with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

Of course I’m sure he wouldn’t have done that on purpose, must just be a massive coincidence.

Yes just a coincidence. Trump isn't a bad guy. "

The link where trump banned and through out the guy after a lady made a complaint? That one ?

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By *ensualtouch15Man  over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"This time I will concede Trump has crossed that line,

Go Back To Where You Come From is never a good start to a string of tweets is it.

What the man does in the US doesn't really concern me, but his domestic policy has returned more for the country than his foreign policies.

No Donald . . . YOUR MOUTH HAS GONE WAY WAY TOO FAR ON THIS ONE

That’s not what he said mind is it ?

What he said was direct equivalence, or do you not understand the concept of analogy paraphrasing, metaphor simile?

You have yet to articulate how what he actually said is not both xenophobic and racist

Racist

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

He told people to leave the USA, based upon a racist premise that they were of a different geographic heritage (race) and despite being full us citizens, they because of their origins (their differing RACE (In trumps head anyway) do not have or should not have an equal right to comment upon us issues

He said from where they come from , that was worse than racist it was ignorant racism of the most vile fundamental nazi style

That was almost certainly based upon their skin colour, maybe religion, but what ever his cue is that identifies foreign it was ignorant racism

It matters not he did not exactly say THE phrase

That phrase is not the only way words can be constructed to convey racist sentiment!!!

I will note , anyone who claims their is no inflammatory racism in trump's tweet has a distorted perspective of how destructive racism/tribalism ,has been and is and how vital that the natural human instinct must be mitigated, and restrained not highlighted and fanned

Or they are just playing a very silly wind up , no one of any credibility could possibly miss the blatant racism from the chief white supremacist x

Ok so to summarise you guessing what he meant and not going by the exact words tweeted ,, nice "

No , incorrect analysis and projection try harder x

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"This time I will concede Trump has crossed that line,

Go Back To Where You Come From is never a good start to a string of tweets is it.

What the man does in the US doesn't really concern me, but his domestic policy has returned more for the country than his foreign policies.

No Donald . . . YOUR MOUTH HAS GONE WAY WAY TOO FAR ON THIS ONE

That’s not what he said mind is it ?

What he said was direct equivalence, or do you not understand the concept of analogy paraphrasing, metaphor simile?

You have yet to articulate how what he actually said is not both xenophobic and racist

Racist

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

He told people to leave the USA, based upon a racist premise that they were of a different geographic heritage (race) and despite being full us citizens, they because of their origins (their differing RACE (In trumps head anyway) do not have or should not have an equal right to comment upon us issues

He said from where they come from , that was worse than racist it was ignorant racism of the most vile fundamental nazi style

That was almost certainly based upon their skin colour, maybe religion, but what ever his cue is that identifies foreign it was ignorant racism

It matters not he did not exactly say THE phrase

That phrase is not the only way words can be constructed to convey racist sentiment!!!

I will note , anyone who claims their is no inflammatory racism in trump's tweet has a distorted perspective of how destructive racism/tribalism ,has been and is and how vital that the natural human instinct must be mitigated, and restrained not highlighted and fanned

Or they are just playing a very silly wind up , no one of any credibility could possibly miss the blatant racism from the chief white supremacist x

Ok so to summarise you guessing what he meant and not going by the exact words tweeted ,, nice

No , incorrect analysis and projection try harder x"

Try harder ? Nothing you said was factual and was just what you thought it meant. Am I surprised? No not really

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think it's day released for the far right trolls today... "

Well I'd say if I was far-right and trying not to sound far-right,that trump isn't helping our case.

I really think he sounds like an utter idiot whenever he tweets,it can be worse when he's talking on camera.It's like watching a gloating kid.The new twilight zone series has a great episode of a kid becoming president.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think it's day released for the far right trolls today...

Well I'd say if I was far-right and trying not to sound far-right,that trump isn't helping our case.

I really think he sounds like an utter idiot whenever he tweets,it can be worse when he's talking on camera.It's like watching a gloating kid.The new twilight zone series has a great episode of a kid becoming president."

I'll have to catch that twilight zone series .Trump has always been a petulant man baby...He's all Wah! Wah Wah !

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think it's day released for the far right trolls today...

Well I'd say if I was far-right and trying not to sound far-right,that trump isn't helping our case.

I really think he sounds like an utter idiot whenever he tweets,it can be worse when he's talking on camera.It's like watching a gloating kid.The new twilight zone series has a great episode of a kid becoming president.

I'll have to catch that twilight zone series .Trump has always been a petulant man baby...He's all Wah! Wah Wah ! "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th5uVIhQ8VY

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think it's day released for the far right trolls today...

Well I'd say if I was far-right and trying not to sound far-right,that trump isn't helping our case.

I really think he sounds like an utter idiot whenever he tweets,it can be worse when he's talking on camera.It's like watching a gloating kid.The new twilight zone series has a great episode of a kid becoming president."

Are you sure it's The TZ and not the BBC news?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think it's day released for the far right trolls today...

Well I'd say if I was far-right and trying not to sound far-right,that trump isn't helping our case.

I really think he sounds like an utter idiot whenever he tweets,it can be worse when he's talking on camera.It's like watching a gloating kid.The new twilight zone series has a great episode of a kid becoming president.

Are you sure it's The TZ and not the BBC news?"

Yes Cleo

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By *abio OP   Man  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

can i add a few things since mr welsh guy wants to the throw a few things out

1) if you are going to trump credit for the job creation, then you have to acknowledge that trump has benefitted/not messed up the obama recovery....

Fun fact: obama created more jobs by the same measured metric in his last 2 years in office... than trump has done in his first 2 years!

2) if you are going to talk about the tax cut, then lets call it what it is.... which is a decifit costed tax cut

90% of the money given away was to the to 1%.... 95% to the top 5%

3) actually there are more members of the democratic party now than there was in 2016.... sorry to burst that bubble....

you might think what trump said wasn't racist.... the republican party have 2 black male representatives in the house and in the senate, Will Hurd of Texas in the house, Tim Scott of south carolina in the senate

care to wonder where they stand...

both came out criticising trump and said trump tweet was racist

Hurd was one of the 4 republicans to vote with the democrats last night for the motion....

the problem is those on the right are trying to spin something that was racist into an antisemetic anti american thing...

we have seen this play before, it was during the not standing protests....

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Wiki has a whole page on racism by country.

Interesting one from the Congo.

Ethnic pygmy populations in Central Africa suffer from racialized discrimination from Bantu groups.[2] Pygmies and Bantus differ physically and genetically due to long lasting evolutionary separation until the Bantu expansion brought them back into close contact.[3] Pygmies have been targeted for slavery by Bantu populations continuing into the modern age.[2] They are frequently ostracized from participation into the wider society in the various African countries that they live in and are seen as untouchables.[2] Racially-motivated attacks constantly occur on Pygmies including r#pe and cannibalization.[4][5].

That is racist.

That doesn't make racism here or in the USA OK. Particularly when the President of the USA has rather more influence, power and publicity than an average Bantu bigot..

What about ilhan Omar do you think she has more influence over Somalians than trump?.

What do you think the polling suggests?.

Here's some Somali racism.

The Somali Bantu ethnic minority face significant stigmatization in Somali society due to their differing physical appearance and ancestry from the Cushitic-origin majority of Somalia. Racialized epithets targeted at the Somali Bantu community exist such as 'adoon' (slave) similar in connotation to the Arabic term abeed. The marginalization of the Somali Bantu community is primarily based on ethnoracial factors, unlike the marginalization of the Madhiban and other Somali-origin minorities which is primarily based on their status as a socially constructed caste.[50] Ethnic Somalis and populations of Bantu stock are genetically divergent.[51][52] Racially-motivated attacks on Somali Bantus have occurred.[53][54]

The 4.5 parliamentary formula under the Transitional Federal Government has been criticized as a form of legislative apartheid.[55.

APARTHEID

What has Omar said that is racist or that you actually disagree with?

Is she more influential internationally than the President of the USA? Nope.

The big chunks of text that you have cut and pasted indicate racism. I agreed with you.

Does that make racism anywhere else OK?

What point are you actually trying to make?.

your not going to answer my question then?.

Does ilhan Omar have more influence over Somalis than Donald trump?.

What do you think polling suggests?.

I have no idea chum. Point me towards some specific polling data about Omar.

Why is it relevant?

What about the other three Congress women?

What would you like to say about them?

If you are going to pretend that the words and deeds of the President of the USA has no effect on the world then it's your own curious position to have.

Do the racist attitudes in one part of the world make them OK somewhere else?

Do I have to ask a more basic question? Is racism acceptable?.

Chum?? .

No I'm just joshing with you old fella.

Do you want to know my opinion on what these tweets are really about?"

Not any more. No.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is

They don't come from there. They didn't leave those places. They are as American as he is.

Have you ever been told to go back to where you came from?

If someone said that to someone from my background, as they have, what do you think they mean by it?

Are you telling me that the USA isn't broken and crime-infested?

I struggle to see how you can say he wasn't being racist, it's just the words )and presumably their order and overall meaning) that "seem" to be.

There or what places ?

Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia and came to the US as a refugee and is now a US citizen ( as I’m sure your aware )

Ilhan has openly showed a like for al-qaida and protected al-qaida, she has openly showed her dislike of America

Somalia has terrorist links to al-qaida responsible for a Kenyan shopping mall bombing

So now put in to context his words, in there spat he says go home, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done.

Not a go back to where you came from

Is USA crime ridden- yes just like every other country

But the economy is booming

Unemployment is at record lows

Black unemployment

Hispanic unemployment

Female unemployment

Tax cuts

Interest rates being cut

Don’t think USA is in such a bad state really

If you take a different meaning I’m sure you can find racism , but his words tell a different story

First, it is not just about Omar. He is also talking about three US born Congress women.

Omar moved the the USA when she was 10 and is a US citizen. She didn't choose to go anywhere.

Omar has not shown any sympathy for terrorist groups. Trump just says that she has.

Have you checked yourself? What she actually said, not what was reported.

There is record employment as the continuation of a process that started from 2010. Look at the graph. It's a straight line. The same with GDP and the stock market.

It just has not been broken.

New jobs, like in the UK, have not been permanent and full time. They have been part time and casual. Like here, the definition of employed includes just an hour a week. Like here, if you are not looking for work because you have given up or are I'll, you are not unemployed.

Why should black, Hispanic or female employment diverge from any national trend? Are they any better paid on average or do they still tend to hold the most menial positions?

Tax cuts were or corporations and the wealthy. The rich have benefitted by far the greatest amount.

I'm not sure that you are as unsure as you make out. I get the impression that you have already made up your mind and just want your opinion endorsed.

So if it’s a downward trend you agree he’s doing a great job along with the 4 million jobs created

So you think trump actually meant go back home fix the problems come back and tell us how fix it, to the other 3 congress women ? That’s a stretch even for the left especially when it’s clear it was Ilhan he was on about

I mention people of colour, Hispanic and woman as you be quite concerned about this racism so thought it was worth mentioning.

So do tax cuts and interest rates being lowered only benefit the rich ?? I would of guessed everyone has more money in there pocket meaning everyone benefits.

Jobs ? Well don’t know what jobs people have, I guess what people are qualified in and have experience in , surly lowest ever is a good thing ? Or is it bad

And concerning Ilhan yes read the the 2 articles and interviews today ( have a look online ) and previously seen the vid

And am I unsure, well I can only go on context and the exact words written and not spinning the words to fit a narrative, I would 90% say confidently say it wasn’t racist, 100% not meant as racist ( he’s a dic so quite possibly hit the send button before reading lol )

I said, quite plainly that he has not done anything to improve the economy growth or employment rate. It is almost unchanged from long before he started.

If you travel at a constant speed you will have gone further after two hours than you had after one hour. That doesn't mean that you've actually done anything other than keep your foot in the same place or leave it on cruise control.

Lowest ever unemployment rate is great as a statistic but he hasn't done anything to affect it. I also made it clear that statistic is meaningless if you are employed working one hour a week. It doesn't matter if that's Obama or Trump.

Again, if people are from a minority and they are benefitting in the same way as everyone else then it is as they should be. However, those minorities have the least well paid jobs. That has not changed.

The biggest benefits, go to the top 1 percent, who are projected to receive an average tax break of $62,000 in 2018, while the middle one-fifth of income earners got an average tax cut of $1,090 — about $20 per biweekly paycheck. The poorer you are the less you benefit.

So yes, the wealthy benefit far more.

The tax cuts are also projected to increase the defecit by $1.9 trillion over ten years.

I posted the tweet which you hadn't read but had an opinion on. You still haven't read it it seems.

You are the one refering to making a decision based on the words he's written, so if he is not telling them to go back home, what is he saying?

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came"

Are they not American? If they were born there do they come from somewhere else.

I'll ask you again, if I'm told to go back to where I came from, what do you think the intent is?

Who is he referring to here? One woman or several?

'“Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries'

What two articles are you talking about that you've read?

If you want to cheerlead for Trump that's fine but don't pretend that you have an open mind about it and aren't sure.

Lol I have enjoyed this

So an additional 4 million jobs hasn’t made a different ?

Tax cut and lower interest rates mean it’s the same for all and same would apply everywhere, if you earned £100k a year or £10k a year you still benefit from the cuts but obviously the ones earning more benefit more that’s just basic isnt it ?

If a minority or a none minority dosent have the education or experience I doubt either would get a managing director role

Of course it increases the trade deficit but luckily trump is re doing lots of trade agreements and will bring in billions more ( and is already ) than the previous agreements

Sorry you want to focus on the words could you point out where it states “ go back home “ or “ why don’t they go back where you come from “ as you said as I must of missed that sorry

In relation to polls and articles they are online I’m sure it won’t take you long to find I can’t do it all for you

I’m not a particular fan of trump I’m definitely more centre than anything. Just dislike the left and there spin on everything and cut down trump all the time, yes he’s a dic ( but a much better option than Hillary mind ) but I genuinely think he’s put the states in a far better place than when he found it and if the dems just worked with him a tiny bit for the good of the country I’m sure it would be a far better place

Anyway we have discussed this plenty today and have a busy night.

I have enjoyed this debate and thank you for your point of view and your passion, I’m sure we will disagree on something again in the future lol

Thanks again and enjoy the rest of your day"

You are not centre.

You are a complete Trump fanboy

I just don't understand why you're lying about it.

Do you think it makes your opinions appear more credible?

It really doesn't.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"This time I will concede Trump has crossed that line,

Go Back To Where You Come From is never a good start to a string of tweets is it.

What the man does in the US doesn't really concern me, but his domestic policy has returned more for the country than his foreign policies.

No Donald . . . YOUR MOUTH HAS GONE WAY WAY TOO FAR ON THIS ONE

That’s not what he said mind is it ?

What he said was direct equivalence, or do you not understand the concept of analogy paraphrasing, metaphor simile?

You have yet to articulate how what he actually said is not both xenophobic and racist

Racist

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

He told people to leave the USA, based upon a racist premise that they were of a different geographic heritage (race) and despite being full us citizens, they because of their origins (their differing RACE (In trumps head anyway) do not have or should not have an equal right to comment upon us issues

He said from where they come from , that was worse than racist it was ignorant racism of the most vile fundamental nazi style

That was almost certainly based upon their skin colour, maybe religion, but what ever his cue is that identifies foreign it was ignorant racism

It matters not he did not exactly say THE phrase

That phrase is not the only way words can be constructed to convey racist sentiment!!!

I will note , anyone who claims their is no inflammatory racism in trump's tweet has a distorted perspective of how destructive racism/tribalism ,has been and is and how vital that the natural human instinct must be mitigated, and restrained not highlighted and fanned

Or they are just playing a very silly wind up , no one of any credibility could possibly miss the blatant racism from the chief white supremacist x

Ok so to summarise you guessing what he meant and not going by the exact words tweeted ,, nice "

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came."

Exact words.

Have some quiet time

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"This shitstorm Trump has manufactured has certainly buried conversation about the story which was breaking a few days ago on his links with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

Of course I’m sure he wouldn’t have done that on purpose, must just be a massive coincidence.

"

Sadly, this is probably it.

Being friends with a paedophile plays far less well with his core supporters than being overtly racist.

Very cynical. Very nasty.

A racist tweet nevertheless.

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By *alking HeadMan  over a year ago

Bolton


"can we agree this time... both those on the left and the right, that the last lot of tweets were racist....

i am just looking for one "right leaning" person on here to condemn trump... and you will have made my day....

thanks in advance....."

I cant understand how his aides (or men in white coats) allow him access to the outside world, completely unfiltered. You would have thought they could have fooled him into thinking he has real internet access. Just change the layout of "the onion" to whatever his usual sites are and let him believe that.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan  over a year ago

Widnes


"Yep he’s racist he’s a cunt a prick lots of other thing but why do ppl in the U.K. get a fucking hard on about him he’s not our leader is he as bad as some other world leaders nope so why get in a strop over him and not other world leaders is it because it’s the cool thing to do nowadays lol"

No. It's because we expect better from the leader of free world.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan  over a year ago

Widnes


"If trump was leader during the 1930s and 40s, I bet he would have loved Hitler.

The 1983 American Heritage Dictionary defined fascism as: “A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.”

Mussolini (or Gentile): “Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.”

US vice-president Henry Wallace: “The American fascists are most easily recognized by their deliberate perversion of truth and fact. Their newspapers and propaganda carefully cultivate every fissure of disunity, every crack in the common front against fascism.”

“They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective toward which all their deceit is directed is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.”"

An interesting outlook. Only one problem; subjected people tend to make poor customers and free markets tend to work best when the people in those markets are prosperous and free.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No matter how racist or xenophobic he is, his country will support him.

Racism and nationalism is so deeply rooted in America he can say anything and get away with it. You know it's true because how on Earth could he have so much support otherwise.

Granted they had 2 evils running for the office in 2k16 but a line has to drawn at some point.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Wiki has a whole page on racism by country.

Interesting one from the Congo.

Ethnic pygmy populations in Central Africa suffer from racialized discrimination from Bantu groups.[2] Pygmies and Bantus differ physically and genetically due to long lasting evolutionary separation until the Bantu expansion brought them back into close contact.[3] Pygmies have been targeted for slavery by Bantu populations continuing into the modern age.[2] They are frequently ostracized from participation into the wider society in the various African countries that they live in and are seen as untouchables.[2] Racially-motivated attacks constantly occur on Pygmies including r#pe and cannibalization.[4][5].

That is racist.

That doesn't make racism here or in the USA OK. Particularly when the President of the USA has rather more influence, power and publicity than an average Bantu bigot..

What about ilhan Omar do you think she has more influence over Somalians than trump?.

What do you think the polling suggests?.

Here's some Somali racism.

The Somali Bantu ethnic minority face significant stigmatization in Somali society due to their differing physical appearance and ancestry from the Cushitic-origin majority of Somalia. Racialized epithets targeted at the Somali Bantu community exist such as 'adoon' (slave) similar in connotation to the Arabic term abeed. The marginalization of the Somali Bantu community is primarily based on ethnoracial factors, unlike the marginalization of the Madhiban and other Somali-origin minorities which is primarily based on their status as a socially constructed caste.[50] Ethnic Somalis and populations of Bantu stock are genetically divergent.[51][52] Racially-motivated attacks on Somali Bantus have occurred.[53][54]

The 4.5 parliamentary formula under the Transitional Federal Government has been criticized as a form of legislative apartheid.[55.

APARTHEID

What has Omar said that is racist or that you actually disagree with?

Is she more influential internationally than the President of the USA? Nope.

The big chunks of text that you have cut and pasted indicate racism. I agreed with you.

Does that make racism anywhere else OK?

What point are you actually trying to make?.

your not going to answer my question then?.

Does ilhan Omar have more influence over Somalis than Donald trump?.

What do you think polling suggests?.

I have no idea chum. Point me towards some specific polling data about Omar.

Why is it relevant?

What about the other three Congress women?

What would you like to say about them?

If you are going to pretend that the words and deeds of the President of the USA has no effect on the world then it's your own curious position to have.

Do the racist attitudes in one part of the world make them OK somewhere else?

Do I have to ask a more basic question? Is racism acceptable?.

Chum?? .

No I'm just joshing with you old fella.

Do you want to know my opinion on what these tweets are really about?

Not any more. No."

.

The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth without any political bollocks?.

Are you frightened of knowing it?.

It's intriguing .

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"This time I will concede Trump has crossed that line,

Go Back To Where You Come From is never a good start to a string of tweets is it.

What the man does in the US doesn't really concern me, but his domestic policy has returned more for the country than his foreign policies.

No Donald . . . YOUR MOUTH HAS GONE WAY WAY TOO FAR ON THIS ONE

That’s not what he said mind is it ?

What he said was direct equivalence, or do you not understand the concept of analogy paraphrasing, metaphor simile?

You have yet to articulate how what he actually said is not both xenophobic and racist

Racist

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

He told people to leave the USA, based upon a racist premise that they were of a different geographic heritage (race) and despite being full us citizens, they because of their origins (their differing RACE (In trumps head anyway) do not have or should not have an equal right to comment upon us issues

He said from where they come from , that was worse than racist it was ignorant racism of the most vile fundamental nazi style

That was almost certainly based upon their skin colour, maybe religion, but what ever his cue is that identifies foreign it was ignorant racism

It matters not he did not exactly say THE phrase

That phrase is not the only way words can be constructed to convey racist sentiment!!!

I will note , anyone who claims their is no inflammatory racism in trump's tweet has a distorted perspective of how destructive racism/tribalism ,has been and is and how vital that the natural human instinct must be mitigated, and restrained not highlighted and fanned

Or they are just playing a very silly wind up , no one of any credibility could possibly miss the blatant racism from the chief white supremacist x

Ok so to summarise you guessing what he meant and not going by the exact words tweeted ,, nice

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came."

Exact words.

Have some quiet time "

Lol you forgot the really standard racist bit

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ? Hmmm Interesting

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is

They don't come from there. They didn't leave those places. They are as American as he is.

Have you ever been told to go back to where you came from?

If someone said that to someone from my background, as they have, what do you think they mean by it?

Are you telling me that the USA isn't broken and crime-infested?

I struggle to see how you can say he wasn't being racist, it's just the words )and presumably their order and overall meaning) that "seem" to be.

There or what places ?

Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia and came to the US as a refugee and is now a US citizen ( as I’m sure your aware )

Ilhan has openly showed a like for al-qaida and protected al-qaida, she has openly showed her dislike of America

Somalia has terrorist links to al-qaida responsible for a Kenyan shopping mall bombing

So now put in to context his words, in there spat he says go home, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done.

Not a go back to where you came from

Is USA crime ridden- yes just like every other country

But the economy is booming

Unemployment is at record lows

Black unemployment

Hispanic unemployment

Female unemployment

Tax cuts

Interest rates being cut

Don’t think USA is in such a bad state really

If you take a different meaning I’m sure you can find racism , but his words tell a different story

First, it is not just about Omar. He is also talking about three US born Congress women.

Omar moved the the USA when she was 10 and is a US citizen. She didn't choose to go anywhere.

Omar has not shown any sympathy for terrorist groups. Trump just says that she has.

Have you checked yourself? What she actually said, not what was reported.

There is record employment as the continuation of a process that started from 2010. Look at the graph. It's a straight line. The same with GDP and the stock market.

It just has not been broken.

New jobs, like in the UK, have not been permanent and full time. They have been part time and casual. Like here, the definition of employed includes just an hour a week. Like here, if you are not looking for work because you have given up or are I'll, you are not unemployed.

Why should black, Hispanic or female employment diverge from any national trend? Are they any better paid on average or do they still tend to hold the most menial positions?

Tax cuts were or corporations and the wealthy. The rich have benefitted by far the greatest amount.

I'm not sure that you are as unsure as you make out. I get the impression that you have already made up your mind and just want your opinion endorsed.

So if it’s a downward trend you agree he’s doing a great job along with the 4 million jobs created

So you think trump actually meant go back home fix the problems come back and tell us how fix it, to the other 3 congress women ? That’s a stretch even for the left especially when it’s clear it was Ilhan he was on about

I mention people of colour, Hispanic and woman as you be quite concerned about this racism so thought it was worth mentioning.

So do tax cuts and interest rates being lowered only benefit the rich ?? I would of guessed everyone has more money in there pocket meaning everyone benefits.

Jobs ? Well don’t know what jobs people have, I guess what people are qualified in and have experience in , surly lowest ever is a good thing ? Or is it bad

And concerning Ilhan yes read the the 2 articles and interviews today ( have a look online ) and previously seen the vid

And am I unsure, well I can only go on context and the exact words written and not spinning the words to fit a narrative, I would 90% say confidently say it wasn’t racist, 100% not meant as racist ( he’s a dic so quite possibly hit the send button before reading lol )

I said, quite plainly that he has not done anything to improve the economy growth or employment rate. It is almost unchanged from long before he started.

If you travel at a constant speed you will have gone further after two hours than you had after one hour. That doesn't mean that you've actually done anything other than keep your foot in the same place or leave it on cruise control.

Lowest ever unemployment rate is great as a statistic but he hasn't done anything to affect it. I also made it clear that statistic is meaningless if you are employed working one hour a week. It doesn't matter if that's Obama or Trump.

Again, if people are from a minority and they are benefitting in the same way as everyone else then it is as they should be. However, those minorities have the least well paid jobs. That has not changed.

The biggest benefits, go to the top 1 percent, who are projected to receive an average tax break of $62,000 in 2018, while the middle one-fifth of income earners got an average tax cut of $1,090 — about $20 per biweekly paycheck. The poorer you are the less you benefit.

So yes, the wealthy benefit far more.

The tax cuts are also projected to increase the defecit by $1.9 trillion over ten years.

I posted the tweet which you hadn't read but had an opinion on. You still haven't read it it seems.

You are the one refering to making a decision based on the words he's written, so if he is not telling them to go back home, what is he saying?

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came"

Are they not American? If they were born there do they come from somewhere else.

I'll ask you again, if I'm told to go back to where I came from, what do you think the intent is?

Who is he referring to here? One woman or several?

'“Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries'

What two articles are you talking about that you've read?

If you want to cheerlead for Trump that's fine but don't pretend that you have an open mind about it and aren't sure.

Lol I have enjoyed this

So an additional 4 million jobs hasn’t made a different ?

Tax cut and lower interest rates mean it’s the same for all and same would apply everywhere, if you earned £100k a year or £10k a year you still benefit from the cuts but obviously the ones earning more benefit more that’s just basic isnt it ?

If a minority or a none minority dosent have the education or experience I doubt either would get a managing director role

Of course it increases the trade deficit but luckily trump is re doing lots of trade agreements and will bring in billions more ( and is already ) than the previous agreements

Sorry you want to focus on the words could you point out where it states “ go back home “ or “ why don’t they go back where you come from “ as you said as I must of missed that sorry

In relation to polls and articles they are online I’m sure it won’t take you long to find I can’t do it all for you

I’m not a particular fan of trump I’m definitely more centre than anything. Just dislike the left and there spin on everything and cut down trump all the time, yes he’s a dic ( but a much better option than Hillary mind ) but I genuinely think he’s put the states in a far better place than when he found it and if the dems just worked with him a tiny bit for the good of the country I’m sure it would be a far better place

Anyway we have discussed this plenty today and have a busy night.

I have enjoyed this debate and thank you for your point of view and your passion, I’m sure we will disagree on something again in the future lol

Thanks again and enjoy the rest of your day

You are not centre.

You are a complete Trump fanboy

I just don't understand why you're lying about it.

Do you think it makes your opinions appear more credible?

It really doesn't."

Unfortunately your wrong I believe there good things on the centre left and centre right

Did I hate trump, no, but is he a dic 100% just think he’s not that bad and certainly the better of the 2 options they had

Suppose like yourself everyone should be a far left liberal fairy , keep holding on tight to that bandwagon buddy

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is

They don't come from there. They didn't leave those places. They are as American as he is.

Have you ever been told to go back to where you came from?

If someone said that to someone from my background, as they have, what do you think they mean by it?

Are you telling me that the USA isn't broken and crime-infested?

I struggle to see how you can say he wasn't being racist, it's just the words )and presumably their order and overall meaning) that "seem" to be.

There or what places ?

Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia and came to the US as a refugee and is now a US citizen ( as I’m sure your aware )

Ilhan has openly showed a like for al-qaida and protected al-qaida, she has openly showed her dislike of America

Somalia has terrorist links to al-qaida responsible for a Kenyan shopping mall bombing

So now put in to context his words, in there spat he says go home, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done.

Not a go back to where you came from

Is USA crime ridden- yes just like every other country

But the economy is booming

Unemployment is at record lows

Black unemployment

Hispanic unemployment

Female unemployment

Tax cuts

Interest rates being cut

Don’t think USA is in such a bad state really

If you take a different meaning I’m sure you can find racism , but his words tell a different story

First, it is not just about Omar. He is also talking about three US born Congress women.

Omar moved the the USA when she was 10 and is a US citizen. She didn't choose to go anywhere.

Omar has not shown any sympathy for terrorist groups. Trump just says that she has.

Have you checked yourself? What she actually said, not what was reported.

There is record employment as the continuation of a process that started from 2010. Look at the graph. It's a straight line. The same with GDP and the stock market.

It just has not been broken.

New jobs, like in the UK, have not been permanent and full time. They have been part time and casual. Like here, the definition of employed includes just an hour a week. Like here, if you are not looking for work because you have given up or are I'll, you are not unemployed.

Why should black, Hispanic or female employment diverge from any national trend? Are they any better paid on average or do they still tend to hold the most menial positions?

Tax cuts were or corporations and the wealthy. The rich have benefitted by far the greatest amount.

I'm not sure that you are as unsure as you make out. I get the impression that you have already made up your mind and just want your opinion endorsed.

So if it’s a downward trend you agree he’s doing a great job along with the 4 million jobs created

So you think trump actually meant go back home fix the problems come back and tell us how fix it, to the other 3 congress women ? That’s a stretch even for the left especially when it’s clear it was Ilhan he was on about

I mention people of colour, Hispanic and woman as you be quite concerned about this racism so thought it was worth mentioning.

So do tax cuts and interest rates being lowered only benefit the rich ?? I would of guessed everyone has more money in there pocket meaning everyone benefits.

Jobs ? Well don’t know what jobs people have, I guess what people are qualified in and have experience in , surly lowest ever is a good thing ? Or is it bad

And concerning Ilhan yes read the the 2 articles and interviews today ( have a look online ) and previously seen the vid

And am I unsure, well I can only go on context and the exact words written and not spinning the words to fit a narrative, I would 90% say confidently say it wasn’t racist, 100% not meant as racist ( he’s a dic so quite possibly hit the send button before reading lol )

I said, quite plainly that he has not done anything to improve the economy growth or employment rate. It is almost unchanged from long before he started.

If you travel at a constant speed you will have gone further after two hours than you had after one hour. That doesn't mean that you've actually done anything other than keep your foot in the same place or leave it on cruise control.

Lowest ever unemployment rate is great as a statistic but he hasn't done anything to affect it. I also made it clear that statistic is meaningless if you are employed working one hour a week. It doesn't matter if that's Obama or Trump.

Again, if people are from a minority and they are benefitting in the same way as everyone else then it is as they should be. However, those minorities have the least well paid jobs. That has not changed.

The biggest benefits, go to the top 1 percent, who are projected to receive an average tax break of $62,000 in 2018, while the middle one-fifth of income earners got an average tax cut of $1,090 — about $20 per biweekly paycheck. The poorer you are the less you benefit.

So yes, the wealthy benefit far more.

The tax cuts are also projected to increase the defecit by $1.9 trillion over ten years.

I posted the tweet which you hadn't read but had an opinion on. You still haven't read it it seems.

You are the one refering to making a decision based on the words he's written, so if he is not telling them to go back home, what is he saying?

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came"

Are they not American? If they were born there do they come from somewhere else.

I'll ask you again, if I'm told to go back to where I came from, what do you think the intent is?

Who is he referring to here? One woman or several?

'“Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries'

What two articles are you talking about that you've read?

If you want to cheerlead for Trump that's fine but don't pretend that you have an open mind about it and aren't sure.

Lol I have enjoyed this

So an additional 4 million jobs hasn’t made a different ?

Tax cut and lower interest rates mean it’s the same for all and same would apply everywhere, if you earned £100k a year or £10k a year you still benefit from the cuts but obviously the ones earning more benefit more that’s just basic isnt it ?

If a minority or a none minority dosent have the education or experience I doubt either would get a managing director role

Of course it increases the trade deficit but luckily trump is re doing lots of trade agreements and will bring in billions more ( and is already ) than the previous agreements

Sorry you want to focus on the words could you point out where it states “ go back home “ or “ why don’t they go back where you come from “ as you said as I must of missed that sorry

In relation to polls and articles they are online I’m sure it won’t take you long to find I can’t do it all for you

I’m not a particular fan of trump I’m definitely more centre than anything. Just dislike the left and there spin on everything and cut down trump all the time, yes he’s a dic ( but a much better option than Hillary mind ) but I genuinely think he’s put the states in a far better place than when he found it and if the dems just worked with him a tiny bit for the good of the country I’m sure it would be a far better place

Anyway we have discussed this plenty today and have a busy night.

I have enjoyed this debate and thank you for your point of view and your passion, I’m sure we will disagree on something again in the future lol

Thanks again and enjoy the rest of your day

You are not centre.

You are a complete Trump fanboy

I just don't understand why you're lying about it.

Do you think it makes your opinions appear more credible?

It really doesn't.

Unfortunately your wrong I believe there good things on the centre left and centre right

Did I hate trump, no, but is he a dic 100% just think he’s not that bad and certainly the better of the 2 options they had

Suppose like yourself everyone should be a far left liberal fairy , keep holding on tight to that bandwagon buddy"

You really aren't centrist with what you have been saying.

Your self-perception is way off.

You have not found anything critical to say about Trump's policies whatsoever other than "he is a dick".

"Far left liberal fairy" is a very helpful term for dismissing inconvenient questions.

You may have noted that I have responded to all of your points whilst you have merely repeated yours whilst ignoring any information that you don't like. Particularly the economy.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Wiki has a whole page on racism by country.

Interesting one from the Congo.

Ethnic pygmy populations in Central Africa suffer from racialized discrimination from Bantu groups.[2] Pygmies and Bantus differ physically and genetically due to long lasting evolutionary separation until the Bantu expansion brought them back into close contact.[3] Pygmies have been targeted for slavery by Bantu populations continuing into the modern age.[2] They are frequently ostracized from participation into the wider society in the various African countries that they live in and are seen as untouchables.[2] Racially-motivated attacks constantly occur on Pygmies including r#pe and cannibalization.[4][5].

That is racist.

That doesn't make racism here or in the USA OK. Particularly when the President of the USA has rather more influence, power and publicity than an average Bantu bigot..

What about ilhan Omar do you think she has more influence over Somalians than trump?.

What do you think the polling suggests?.

Here's some Somali racism.

The Somali Bantu ethnic minority face significant stigmatization in Somali society due to their differing physical appearance and ancestry from the Cushitic-origin majority of Somalia. Racialized epithets targeted at the Somali Bantu community exist such as 'adoon' (slave) similar in connotation to the Arabic term abeed. The marginalization of the Somali Bantu community is primarily based on ethnoracial factors, unlike the marginalization of the Madhiban and other Somali-origin minorities which is primarily based on their status as a socially constructed caste.[50] Ethnic Somalis and populations of Bantu stock are genetically divergent.[51][52] Racially-motivated attacks on Somali Bantus have occurred.[53][54]

The 4.5 parliamentary formula under the Transitional Federal Government has been criticized as a form of legislative apartheid.[55.

APARTHEID

What has Omar said that is racist or that you actually disagree with?

Is she more influential internationally than the President of the USA? Nope.

The big chunks of text that you have cut and pasted indicate racism. I agreed with you.

Does that make racism anywhere else OK?

What point are you actually trying to make?.

your not going to answer my question then?.

Does ilhan Omar have more influence over Somalis than Donald trump?.

What do you think polling suggests?.

I have no idea chum. Point me towards some specific polling data about Omar.

Why is it relevant?

What about the other three Congress women?

What would you like to say about them?

If you are going to pretend that the words and deeds of the President of the USA has no effect on the world then it's your own curious position to have.

Do the racist attitudes in one part of the world make them OK somewhere else?

Do I have to ask a more basic question? Is racism acceptable?.

Chum?? .

No I'm just joshing with you old fella.

Do you want to know my opinion on what these tweets are really about?

Not any more. No..

The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth without any political bollocks?.

Are you frightened of knowing it?.

It's intriguing ."

No. You've been so busy trying to show off that I've got bored.

The Trump supporter who claims he thinks he's a fuck is more interesting

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By * New YorkieMan  over a year ago

Leeds

He’s a dictator. Plain and simple. But he is to stupid to get away with it forever. He will go to jail.....My prediction.

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is

They don't come from there. They didn't leave those places. They are as American as he is.

Have you ever been told to go back to where you came from?

If someone said that to someone from my background, as they have, what do you think they mean by it?

Are you telling me that the USA isn't broken and crime-infested?

I struggle to see how you can say he wasn't being racist, it's just the words )and presumably their order and overall meaning) that "seem" to be.

There or what places ?

Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia and came to the US as a refugee and is now a US citizen ( as I’m sure your aware )

Ilhan has openly showed a like for al-qaida and protected al-qaida, she has openly showed her dislike of America

Somalia has terrorist links to al-qaida responsible for a Kenyan shopping mall bombing

So now put in to context his words, in there spat he says go home, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done.

Not a go back to where you came from

Is USA crime ridden- yes just like every other country

But the economy is booming

Unemployment is at record lows

Black unemployment

Hispanic unemployment

Female unemployment

Tax cuts

Interest rates being cut

Don’t think USA is in such a bad state really

If you take a different meaning I’m sure you can find racism , but his words tell a different story

First, it is not just about Omar. He is also talking about three US born Congress women.

Omar moved the the USA when she was 10 and is a US citizen. She didn't choose to go anywhere.

Omar has not shown any sympathy for terrorist groups. Trump just says that she has.

Have you checked yourself? What she actually said, not what was reported.

There is record employment as the continuation of a process that started from 2010. Look at the graph. It's a straight line. The same with GDP and the stock market.

It just has not been broken.

New jobs, like in the UK, have not been permanent and full time. They have been part time and casual. Like here, the definition of employed includes just an hour a week. Like here, if you are not looking for work because you have given up or are I'll, you are not unemployed.

Why should black, Hispanic or female employment diverge from any national trend? Are they any better paid on average or do they still tend to hold the most menial positions?

Tax cuts were or corporations and the wealthy. The rich have benefitted by far the greatest amount.

I'm not sure that you are as unsure as you make out. I get the impression that you have already made up your mind and just want your opinion endorsed.

So if it’s a downward trend you agree he’s doing a great job along with the 4 million jobs created

So you think trump actually meant go back home fix the problems come back and tell us how fix it, to the other 3 congress women ? That’s a stretch even for the left especially when it’s clear it was Ilhan he was on about

I mention people of colour, Hispanic and woman as you be quite concerned about this racism so thought it was worth mentioning.

So do tax cuts and interest rates being lowered only benefit the rich ?? I would of guessed everyone has more money in there pocket meaning everyone benefits.

Jobs ? Well don’t know what jobs people have, I guess what people are qualified in and have experience in , surly lowest ever is a good thing ? Or is it bad

And concerning Ilhan yes read the the 2 articles and interviews today ( have a look online ) and previously seen the vid

And am I unsure, well I can only go on context and the exact words written and not spinning the words to fit a narrative, I would 90% say confidently say it wasn’t racist, 100% not meant as racist ( he’s a dic so quite possibly hit the send button before reading lol )

I said, quite plainly that he has not done anything to improve the economy growth or employment rate. It is almost unchanged from long before he started.

If you travel at a constant speed you will have gone further after two hours than you had after one hour. That doesn't mean that you've actually done anything other than keep your foot in the same place or leave it on cruise control.

Lowest ever unemployment rate is great as a statistic but he hasn't done anything to affect it. I also made it clear that statistic is meaningless if you are employed working one hour a week. It doesn't matter if that's Obama or Trump.

Again, if people are from a minority and they are benefitting in the same way as everyone else then it is as they should be. However, those minorities have the least well paid jobs. That has not changed.

The biggest benefits, go to the top 1 percent, who are projected to receive an average tax break of $62,000 in 2018, while the middle one-fifth of income earners got an average tax cut of $1,090 — about $20 per biweekly paycheck. The poorer you are the less you benefit.

So yes, the wealthy benefit far more.

The tax cuts are also projected to increase the defecit by $1.9 trillion over ten years.

I posted the tweet which you hadn't read but had an opinion on. You still haven't read it it seems.

You are the one refering to making a decision based on the words he's written, so if he is not telling them to go back home, what is he saying?

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came"

Are they not American? If they were born there do they come from somewhere else.

I'll ask you again, if I'm told to go back to where I came from, what do you think the intent is?

Who is he referring to here? One woman or several?

'“Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries'

What two articles are you talking about that you've read?

If you want to cheerlead for Trump that's fine but don't pretend that you have an open mind about it and aren't sure.

Lol I have enjoyed this

So an additional 4 million jobs hasn’t made a different ?

Tax cut and lower interest rates mean it’s the same for all and same would apply everywhere, if you earned £100k a year or £10k a year you still benefit from the cuts but obviously the ones earning more benefit more that’s just basic isnt it ?

If a minority or a none minority dosent have the education or experience I doubt either would get a managing director role

Of course it increases the trade deficit but luckily trump is re doing lots of trade agreements and will bring in billions more ( and is already ) than the previous agreements

Sorry you want to focus on the words could you point out where it states “ go back home “ or “ why don’t they go back where you come from “ as you said as I must of missed that sorry

In relation to polls and articles they are online I’m sure it won’t take you long to find I can’t do it all for you

I’m not a particular fan of trump I’m definitely more centre than anything. Just dislike the left and there spin on everything and cut down trump all the time, yes he’s a dic ( but a much better option than Hillary mind ) but I genuinely think he’s put the states in a far better place than when he found it and if the dems just worked with him a tiny bit for the good of the country I’m sure it would be a far better place

Anyway we have discussed this plenty today and have a busy night.

I have enjoyed this debate and thank you for your point of view and your passion, I’m sure we will disagree on something again in the future lol

Thanks again and enjoy the rest of your day

You are not centre.

You are a complete Trump fanboy

I just don't understand why you're lying about it.

Do you think it makes your opinions appear more credible?

It really doesn't.

Unfortunately your wrong I believe there good things on the centre left and centre right

Did I hate trump, no, but is he a dic 100% just think he’s not that bad and certainly the better of the 2 options they had

Suppose like yourself everyone should be a far left liberal fairy , keep holding on tight to that bandwagon buddy

You really aren't centrist with what you have been saying.

Your self-perception is way off.

You have not found anything critical to say about Trump's policies whatsoever other than "he is a dick".

"Far left liberal fairy" is a very helpful term for dismissing inconvenient questions.

You may have noted that I have responded to all of your points whilst you have merely repeated yours whilst ignoring any information that you don't like. Particularly the economy."

Ok I see what your doing now, ok let’s break it down

I am a centrist, but we have been discussing the supposed racist tweet you would automatically jump to thinking I’m right leaning, but that’s typical of you far left liberal guys. But yes trump is a dick

Very brief example ( why I have to explain myself I’ve no idea ) I oppose ban abortion ( far right ) and also oppose 9 month abortion ( your far left )

Now this was funny, you state “ "Far left liberal fairy" is a very helpful term for dismissing inconvenient questions.“ But of course you calling me a complete trump fanboy first is completely different I guess haha

Then you say

You may have noted that I have responded to all of your points whilst you have merely repeated yours whilst ignoring any information that you don't like. Particularly the economy

Ok so unless your blind I have responded and replied to you, like you have also to be fair. Difference is I appreciate your debate and look at it openly buuuuuutttt like all you lefties you just want to ignore and try to attack.

So seeming as you ignored my other post/point I have put it below and would love to hear your spin in it ,,,,, shit sorry I mean your point of view

Lol you forgot the really standard racist bit

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ? Hmmm Interesting

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Wiki has a whole page on racism by country.

Interesting one from the Congo.

Ethnic pygmy populations in Central Africa suffer from racialized discrimination from Bantu groups.[2] Pygmies and Bantus differ physically and genetically due to long lasting evolutionary separation until the Bantu expansion brought them back into close contact.[3] Pygmies have been targeted for slavery by Bantu populations continuing into the modern age.[2] They are frequently ostracized from participation into the wider society in the various African countries that they live in and are seen as untouchables.[2] Racially-motivated attacks constantly occur on Pygmies including r#pe and cannibalization.[4][5].

That is racist.

That doesn't make racism here or in the USA OK. Particularly when the President of the USA has rather more influence, power and publicity than an average Bantu bigot..

What about ilhan Omar do you think she has more influence over Somalians than trump?.

What do you think the polling suggests?.

Here's some Somali racism.

The Somali Bantu ethnic minority face significant stigmatization in Somali society due to their differing physical appearance and ancestry from the Cushitic-origin majority of Somalia. Racialized epithets targeted at the Somali Bantu community exist such as 'adoon' (slave) similar in connotation to the Arabic term abeed. The marginalization of the Somali Bantu community is primarily based on ethnoracial factors, unlike the marginalization of the Madhiban and other Somali-origin minorities which is primarily based on their status as a socially constructed caste.[50] Ethnic Somalis and populations of Bantu stock are genetically divergent.[51][52] Racially-motivated attacks on Somali Bantus have occurred.[53][54]

The 4.5 parliamentary formula under the Transitional Federal Government has been criticized as a form of legislative apartheid.[55.

APARTHEID

What has Omar said that is racist or that you actually disagree with?

Is she more influential internationally than the President of the USA? Nope.

The big chunks of text that you have cut and pasted indicate racism. I agreed with you.

Does that make racism anywhere else OK?

What point are you actually trying to make?.

your not going to answer my question then?.

Does ilhan Omar have more influence over Somalis than Donald trump?.

What do you think polling suggests?.

I have no idea chum. Point me towards some specific polling data about Omar.

Why is it relevant?

What about the other three Congress women?

What would you like to say about them?

If you are going to pretend that the words and deeds of the President of the USA has no effect on the world then it's your own curious position to have.

Do the racist attitudes in one part of the world make them OK somewhere else?

Do I have to ask a more basic question? Is racism acceptable?.

Chum?? .

No I'm just joshing with you old fella.

Do you want to know my opinion on what these tweets are really about?

Not any more. No..

The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth without any political bollocks?.

Are you frightened of knowing it?.

It's intriguing .

No. You've been so busy trying to show off that I've got bored.

The Trump supporter who claims he thinks he's a fuck is more interesting "

Oh. That wasn't what I meant to write.

The Trump supporter who claims he thinks he's a centrist* is more interesting

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"He’s a dictator. Plain and simple. But he is to stupid to get away with it forever. He will go to jail.....My prediction."

No he won't, if murderous cops get away from being sent to jail he'll be free as a bird.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is

They don't come from there. They didn't leave those places. They are as American as he is.

Have you ever been told to go back to where you came from?

If someone said that to someone from my background, as they have, what do you think they mean by it?

Are you telling me that the USA isn't broken and crime-infested?

I struggle to see how you can say he wasn't being racist, it's just the words )and presumably their order and overall meaning) that "seem" to be.

There or what places ?

Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia and came to the US as a refugee and is now a US citizen ( as I’m sure your aware )

Ilhan has openly showed a like for al-qaida and protected al-qaida, she has openly showed her dislike of America

Somalia has terrorist links to al-qaida responsible for a Kenyan shopping mall bombing

So now put in to context his words, in there spat he says go home, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done.

Not a go back to where you came from

Is USA crime ridden- yes just like every other country

But the economy is booming

Unemployment is at record lows

Black unemployment

Hispanic unemployment

Female unemployment

Tax cuts

Interest rates being cut

Don’t think USA is in such a bad state really

If you take a different meaning I’m sure you can find racism , but his words tell a different story

First, it is not just about Omar. He is also talking about three US born Congress women.

Omar moved the the USA when she was 10 and is a US citizen. She didn't choose to go anywhere.

Omar has not shown any sympathy for terrorist groups. Trump just says that she has.

Have you checked yourself? What she actually said, not what was reported.

There is record employment as the continuation of a process that started from 2010. Look at the graph. It's a straight line. The same with GDP and the stock market.

It just has not been broken.

New jobs, like in the UK, have not been permanent and full time. They have been part time and casual. Like here, the definition of employed includes just an hour a week. Like here, if you are not looking for work because you have given up or are I'll, you are not unemployed.

Why should black, Hispanic or female employment diverge from any national trend? Are they any better paid on average or do they still tend to hold the most menial positions?

Tax cuts were or corporations and the wealthy. The rich have benefitted by far the greatest amount.

I'm not sure that you are as unsure as you make out. I get the impression that you have already made up your mind and just want your opinion endorsed.

So if it’s a downward trend you agree he’s doing a great job along with the 4 million jobs created

So you think trump actually meant go back home fix the problems come back and tell us how fix it, to the other 3 congress women ? That’s a stretch even for the left especially when it’s clear it was Ilhan he was on about

I mention people of colour, Hispanic and woman as you be quite concerned about this racism so thought it was worth mentioning.

So do tax cuts and interest rates being lowered only benefit the rich ?? I would of guessed everyone has more money in there pocket meaning everyone benefits.

Jobs ? Well don’t know what jobs people have, I guess what people are qualified in and have experience in , surly lowest ever is a good thing ? Or is it bad

And concerning Ilhan yes read the the 2 articles and interviews today ( have a look online ) and previously seen the vid

And am I unsure, well I can only go on context and the exact words written and not spinning the words to fit a narrative, I would 90% say confidently say it wasn’t racist, 100% not meant as racist ( he’s a dic so quite possibly hit the send button before reading lol )

I said, quite plainly that he has not done anything to improve the economy growth or employment rate. It is almost unchanged from long before he started.

If you travel at a constant speed you will have gone further after two hours than you had after one hour. That doesn't mean that you've actually done anything other than keep your foot in the same place or leave it on cruise control.

Lowest ever unemployment rate is great as a statistic but he hasn't done anything to affect it. I also made it clear that statistic is meaningless if you are employed working one hour a week. It doesn't matter if that's Obama or Trump.

Again, if people are from a minority and they are benefitting in the same way as everyone else then it is as they should be. However, those minorities have the least well paid jobs. That has not changed.

The biggest benefits, go to the top 1 percent, who are projected to receive an average tax break of $62,000 in 2018, while the middle one-fifth of income earners got an average tax cut of $1,090 — about $20 per biweekly paycheck. The poorer you are the less you benefit.

So yes, the wealthy benefit far more.

The tax cuts are also projected to increase the defecit by $1.9 trillion over ten years.

I posted the tweet which you hadn't read but had an opinion on. You still haven't read it it seems.

You are the one refering to making a decision based on the words he's written, so if he is not telling them to go back home, what is he saying?

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came"

Are they not American? If they were born there do they come from somewhere else.

I'll ask you again, if I'm told to go back to where I came from, what do you think the intent is?

Who is he referring to here? One woman or several?

'“Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries'

What two articles are you talking about that you've read?

If you want to cheerlead for Trump that's fine but don't pretend that you have an open mind about it and aren't sure.

Lol I have enjoyed this

So an additional 4 million jobs hasn’t made a different ?

Tax cut and lower interest rates mean it’s the same for all and same would apply everywhere, if you earned £100k a year or £10k a year you still benefit from the cuts but obviously the ones earning more benefit more that’s just basic isnt it ?

If a minority or a none minority dosent have the education or experience I doubt either would get a managing director role

Of course it increases the trade deficit but luckily trump is re doing lots of trade agreements and will bring in billions more ( and is already ) than the previous agreements

Sorry you want to focus on the words could you point out where it states “ go back home “ or “ why don’t they go back where you come from “ as you said as I must of missed that sorry

In relation to polls and articles they are online I’m sure it won’t take you long to find I can’t do it all for you

I’m not a particular fan of trump I’m definitely more centre than anything. Just dislike the left and there spin on everything and cut down trump all the time, yes he’s a dic ( but a much better option than Hillary mind ) but I genuinely think he’s put the states in a far better place than when he found it and if the dems just worked with him a tiny bit for the good of the country I’m sure it would be a far better place

Anyway we have discussed this plenty today and have a busy night.

I have enjoyed this debate and thank you for your point of view and your passion, I’m sure we will disagree on something again in the future lol

Thanks again and enjoy the rest of your day

You are not centre.

You are a complete Trump fanboy

I just don't understand why you're lying about it.

Do you think it makes your opinions appear more credible?

It really doesn't.

Unfortunately your wrong I believe there good things on the centre left and centre right

Did I hate trump, no, but is he a dic 100% just think he’s not that bad and certainly the better of the 2 options they had

Suppose like yourself everyone should be a far left liberal fairy , keep holding on tight to that bandwagon buddy

You really aren't centrist with what you have been saying.

Your self-perception is way off.

You have not found anything critical to say about Trump's policies whatsoever other than "he is a dick".

"Far left liberal fairy" is a very helpful term for dismissing inconvenient questions.

You may have noted that I have responded to all of your points whilst you have merely repeated yours whilst ignoring any information that you don't like. Particularly the economy.

Ok I see what your doing now, ok let’s break it down

I am a centrist, but we have been discussing the supposed racist tweet you would automatically jump to thinking I’m right leaning, but that’s typical of you far left liberal guys. But yes trump is a dick

Very brief example ( why I have to explain myself I’ve no idea ) I oppose ban abortion ( far right ) and also oppose 9 month abortion ( your far left )

Now this was funny, you state “ "Far left liberal fairy" is a very helpful term for dismissing inconvenient questions.“ But of course you calling me a complete trump fanboy first is completely different I guess haha

Then you say

You may have noted that I have responded to all of your points whilst you have merely repeated yours whilst ignoring any information that you don't like. Particularly the economy

Ok so unless your blind I have responded and replied to you, like you have also to be fair. Difference is I appreciate your debate and look at it openly buuuuuutttt like all you lefties you just want to ignore and try to attack.

So seeming as you ignored my other post/point I have put it below and would love to hear your spin in it ,,,,, shit sorry I mean your point of view

Lol you forgot the really standard racist bit

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ? Hmmm Interesting"

You don't have any idea what my position on abortion or capital punishment or welfare or foreign policy is.

It is certainly interesting that you are so able to go into detailed analysis of what I, or other "far left liberals" write but be completely uncritical of Trump's statements, taking them all at face value.

You have completely failed to respond to how any of his policies have benefited the country when his presidency simply sits at the end of an improving trend started long before he entered office

You seem to believe that his tax cuts have not been aimed at primarily benefitting the rich. There were plenty of ways that they could have been targeted to benefit those on lower incomes more, but he chose not to.

You have vaguely referred to Omar supporting terrorism based on two articles which you won't reference. Just about every scrap of information that I can find debunks that completely.

The fact that you are relying on the phrase "come back and show" us to prove Trump's intent was not racist is not surprising when taken in context with you being so uncritical of everything else that he says.

Looking at his rant the implication is that the countries that "they came from" as so terrible that the chances of them returning are minimal. He still told them to go back when they are US citizens. They come from the USA. The implication is that they do not. They are not "real" Americans.

It's not spin. It's abundantly clear.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Wiki has a whole page on racism by country.

Interesting one from the Congo.

Ethnic pygmy populations in Central Africa suffer from racialized discrimination from Bantu groups.[2] Pygmies and Bantus differ physically and genetically due to long lasting evolutionary separation until the Bantu expansion brought them back into close contact.[3] Pygmies have been targeted for slavery by Bantu populations continuing into the modern age.[2] They are frequently ostracized from participation into the wider society in the various African countries that they live in and are seen as untouchables.[2] Racially-motivated attacks constantly occur on Pygmies including r#pe and cannibalization.[4][5].

That is racist.

That doesn't make racism here or in the USA OK. Particularly when the President of the USA has rather more influence, power and publicity than an average Bantu bigot..

What about ilhan Omar do you think she has more influence over Somalians than trump?.

What do you think the polling suggests?.

Here's some Somali racism.

The Somali Bantu ethnic minority face significant stigmatization in Somali society due to their differing physical appearance and ancestry from the Cushitic-origin majority of Somalia. Racialized epithets targeted at the Somali Bantu community exist such as 'adoon' (slave) similar in connotation to the Arabic term abeed. The marginalization of the Somali Bantu community is primarily based on ethnoracial factors, unlike the marginalization of the Madhiban and other Somali-origin minorities which is primarily based on their status as a socially constructed caste.[50] Ethnic Somalis and populations of Bantu stock are genetically divergent.[51][52] Racially-motivated attacks on Somali Bantus have occurred.[53][54]

The 4.5 parliamentary formula under the Transitional Federal Government has been criticized as a form of legislative apartheid.[55.

APARTHEID

What has Omar said that is racist or that you actually disagree with?

Is she more influential internationally than the President of the USA? Nope.

The big chunks of text that you have cut and pasted indicate racism. I agreed with you.

Does that make racism anywhere else OK?

What point are you actually trying to make?.

your not going to answer my question then?.

Does ilhan Omar have more influence over Somalis than Donald trump?.

What do you think polling suggests?.

I have no idea chum. Point me towards some specific polling data about Omar.

Why is it relevant?

What about the other three Congress women?

What would you like to say about them?

If you are going to pretend that the words and deeds of the President of the USA has no effect on the world then it's your own curious position to have.

Do the racist attitudes in one part of the world make them OK somewhere else?

Do I have to ask a more basic question? Is racism acceptable?.

Chum?? .

No I'm just joshing with you old fella.

Do you want to know my opinion on what these tweets are really about?

Not any more. No..

The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth without any political bollocks?.

Are you frightened of knowing it?.

It's intriguing .

No. You've been so busy trying to show off that I've got bored.

The Trump supporter who claims he thinks he's a fuck is more interesting "

Oh that's a pity, I do enjoy showing off but I'm afraid this isn't it, this was just my knee jerk reaction blowback to the usual leftist identitaraian politics I'm really sick of hearing, not just on here I mean life in general.

Turn on Facebook and there's some post from some leftist gimp mate about Palestine apartheid and the latest poll showing how 7.2% of people who voted leave were d*unk and then the next is some alt right dude posting about EU corruption and Muslim r*pe gangs, it's all just to dammed predictable isn't it?

Anyhow I'll give you a little clue, there is a civil war inside the democratic party if you read to the end of trumpeters tweet you'll see his poke into the wound

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is

They don't come from there. They didn't leave those places. They are as American as he is.

Have you ever been told to go back to where you came from?

If someone said that to someone from my background, as they have, what do you think they mean by it?

Are you telling me that the USA isn't broken and crime-infested?

I struggle to see how you can say he wasn't being racist, it's just the words )and presumably their order and overall meaning) that "seem" to be.

There or what places ?

Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia and came to the US as a refugee and is now a US citizen ( as I’m sure your aware )

Ilhan has openly showed a like for al-qaida and protected al-qaida, she has openly showed her dislike of America

Somalia has terrorist links to al-qaida responsible for a Kenyan shopping mall bombing

So now put in to context his words, in there spat he says go home, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done.

Not a go back to where you came from

Is USA crime ridden- yes just like every other country

But the economy is booming

Unemployment is at record lows

Black unemployment

Hispanic unemployment

Female unemployment

Tax cuts

Interest rates being cut

Don’t think USA is in such a bad state really

If you take a different meaning I’m sure you can find racism , but his words tell a different story

First, it is not just about Omar. He is also talking about three US born Congress women.

Omar moved the the USA when she was 10 and is a US citizen. She didn't choose to go anywhere.

Omar has not shown any sympathy for terrorist groups. Trump just says that she has.

Have you checked yourself? What she actually said, not what was reported.

There is record employment as the continuation of a process that started from 2010. Look at the graph. It's a straight line. The same with GDP and the stock market.

It just has not been broken.

New jobs, like in the UK, have not been permanent and full time. They have been part time and casual. Like here, the definition of employed includes just an hour a week. Like here, if you are not looking for work because you have given up or are I'll, you are not unemployed.

Why should black, Hispanic or female employment diverge from any national trend? Are they any better paid on average or do they still tend to hold the most menial positions?

Tax cuts were or corporations and the wealthy. The rich have benefitted by far the greatest amount.

I'm not sure that you are as unsure as you make out. I get the impression that you have already made up your mind and just want your opinion endorsed.

So if it’s a downward trend you agree he’s doing a great job along with the 4 million jobs created

So you think trump actually meant go back home fix the problems come back and tell us how fix it, to the other 3 congress women ? That’s a stretch even for the left especially when it’s clear it was Ilhan he was on about

I mention people of colour, Hispanic and woman as you be quite concerned about this racism so thought it was worth mentioning.

So do tax cuts and interest rates being lowered only benefit the rich ?? I would of guessed everyone has more money in there pocket meaning everyone benefits.

Jobs ? Well don’t know what jobs people have, I guess what people are qualified in and have experience in , surly lowest ever is a good thing ? Or is it bad

And concerning Ilhan yes read the the 2 articles and interviews today ( have a look online ) and previously seen the vid

And am I unsure, well I can only go on context and the exact words written and not spinning the words to fit a narrative, I would 90% say confidently say it wasn’t racist, 100% not meant as racist ( he’s a dic so quite possibly hit the send button before reading lol )

I said, quite plainly that he has not done anything to improve the economy growth or employment rate. It is almost unchanged from long before he started.

If you travel at a constant speed you will have gone further after two hours than you had after one hour. That doesn't mean that you've actually done anything other than keep your foot in the same place or leave it on cruise control.

Lowest ever unemployment rate is great as a statistic but he hasn't done anything to affect it. I also made it clear that statistic is meaningless if you are employed working one hour a week. It doesn't matter if that's Obama or Trump.

Again, if people are from a minority and they are benefitting in the same way as everyone else then it is as they should be. However, those minorities have the least well paid jobs. That has not changed.

The biggest benefits, go to the top 1 percent, who are projected to receive an average tax break of $62,000 in 2018, while the middle one-fifth of income earners got an average tax cut of $1,090 — about $20 per biweekly paycheck. The poorer you are the less you benefit.

So yes, the wealthy benefit far more.

The tax cuts are also projected to increase the defecit by $1.9 trillion over ten years.

I posted the tweet which you hadn't read but had an opinion on. You still haven't read it it seems.

You are the one refering to making a decision based on the words he's written, so if he is not telling them to go back home, what is he saying?

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came"

Are they not American? If they were born there do they come from somewhere else.

I'll ask you again, if I'm told to go back to where I came from, what do you think the intent is?

Who is he referring to here? One woman or several?

'“Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries'

What two articles are you talking about that you've read?

If you want to cheerlead for Trump that's fine but don't pretend that you have an open mind about it and aren't sure.

Lol I have enjoyed this

So an additional 4 million jobs hasn’t made a different ?

Tax cut and lower interest rates mean it’s the same for all and same would apply everywhere, if you earned £100k a year or £10k a year you still benefit from the cuts but obviously the ones earning more benefit more that’s just basic isnt it ?

If a minority or a none minority dosent have the education or experience I doubt either would get a managing director role

Of course it increases the trade deficit but luckily trump is re doing lots of trade agreements and will bring in billions more ( and is already ) than the previous agreements

Sorry you want to focus on the words could you point out where it states “ go back home “ or “ why don’t they go back where you come from “ as you said as I must of missed that sorry

In relation to polls and articles they are online I’m sure it won’t take you long to find I can’t do it all for you

I’m not a particular fan of trump I’m definitely more centre than anything. Just dislike the left and there spin on everything and cut down trump all the time, yes he’s a dic ( but a much better option than Hillary mind ) but I genuinely think he’s put the states in a far better place than when he found it and if the dems just worked with him a tiny bit for the good of the country I’m sure it would be a far better place

Anyway we have discussed this plenty today and have a busy night.

I have enjoyed this debate and thank you for your point of view and your passion, I’m sure we will disagree on something again in the future lol

Thanks again and enjoy the rest of your day

You are not centre.

You are a complete Trump fanboy

I just don't understand why you're lying about it.

Do you think it makes your opinions appear more credible?

It really doesn't.

Unfortunately your wrong I believe there good things on the centre left and centre right

Did I hate trump, no, but is he a dic 100% just think he’s not that bad and certainly the better of the 2 options they had

Suppose like yourself everyone should be a far left liberal fairy , keep holding on tight to that bandwagon buddy

You really aren't centrist with what you have been saying.

Your self-perception is way off.

You have not found anything critical to say about Trump's policies whatsoever other than "he is a dick".

"Far left liberal fairy" is a very helpful term for dismissing inconvenient questions.

You may have noted that I have responded to all of your points whilst you have merely repeated yours whilst ignoring any information that you don't like. Particularly the economy.

Ok I see what your doing now, ok let’s break it down

I am a centrist, but we have been discussing the supposed racist tweet you would automatically jump to thinking I’m right leaning, but that’s typical of you far left liberal guys. But yes trump is a dick

Very brief example ( why I have to explain myself I’ve no idea ) I oppose ban abortion ( far right ) and also oppose 9 month abortion ( your far left )

Now this was funny, you state “ "Far left liberal fairy" is a very helpful term for dismissing inconvenient questions.“ But of course you calling me a complete trump fanboy first is completely different I guess haha

Then you say

You may have noted that I have responded to all of your points whilst you have merely repeated yours whilst ignoring any information that you don't like. Particularly the economy

Ok so unless your blind I have responded and replied to you, like you have also to be fair. Difference is I appreciate your debate and look at it openly buuuuuutttt like all you lefties you just want to ignore and try to attack.

So seeming as you ignored my other post/point I have put it below and would love to hear your spin in it ,,,,, shit sorry I mean your point of view

Lol you forgot the really standard racist bit

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ? Hmmm Interesting

You don't have any idea what my position on abortion or capital punishment or welfare or foreign policy is.

It is certainly interesting that you are so able to go into detailed analysis of what I, or other "far left liberals" write but be completely uncritical of Trump's statements, taking them all at face value.

You have completely failed to respond to how any of his policies have benefited the country when his presidency simply sits at the end of an improving trend started long before he entered office

You seem to believe that his tax cuts have not been aimed at primarily benefitting the rich. There were plenty of ways that they could have been targeted to benefit those on lower incomes more, but he chose not to.

You have vaguely referred to Omar supporting terrorism based on two articles which you won't reference. Just about every scrap of information that I can find debunks that completely.

The fact that you are relying on the phrase "come back and show" us to prove Trump's intent was not racist is not surprising when taken in context with you being so uncritical of everything else that he says.

Looking at his rant the implication is that the countries that "they came from" as so terrible that the chances of them returning are minimal. He still told them to go back when they are US citizens. They come from the USA. The implication is that they do not. They are not "real" Americans.

It's not spin. It's abundantly clear."

Yep just what I thought avoid the question lol well played, if you don’t want to answer just say I know you lefties like avoiding questions.

You say: You don't have any idea what my position on abortion or capital punishment or welfare or foreign policy is.

But you clearly know my position even though I’ve told you my position, watch that ledge on the left mate

You say: It is certainly interesting that you are so able to go into detailed analysis of what I, or other "far left liberals" write but be completely uncritical of Trump's statements, taking them all at face value.

I’ve previously said that it was an ill advised and badly written tweet. You may want to go through the thread again if your struggling to keep up, that will also help find the stuff you said I haven’t answered.

On the tweet I can only go on the words ( without moving them or spinning them ) stupid tweet yes racist no

On Omar there are articles ( where you don’t have to move the words around ) online stating HER words, also videos on YT. I’m assuming the have the ability to search for these, it’s called looking for yourself and not listening to others lol,

Just for a laugh then I will see if you answer the question below this time ,, fingers crossed

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ?

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By *evil_u_knowMan  over a year ago

city

I didn't think they were racist.

I think the people he said the comments about are experts at turning everything into race/gender politics.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I didn't think they were racist.

I think the people he said the comments about are experts at turning everything into race/gender politics."

Ermmm he literally said go back to your country to u.s. born citizens

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is

They don't come from there. They didn't leave those places. They are as American as he is.

Have you ever been told to go back to where you came from?

If someone said that to someone from my background, as they have, what do you think they mean by it?

Are you telling me that the USA isn't broken and crime-infested?

I struggle to see how you can say he wasn't being racist, it's just the words )and presumably their order and overall meaning) that "seem" to be.

There or what places ?

Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia and came to the US as a refugee and is now a US citizen ( as I’m sure your aware )

Ilhan has openly showed a like for al-qaida and protected al-qaida, she has openly showed her dislike of America

Somalia has terrorist links to al-qaida responsible for a Kenyan shopping mall bombing

So now put in to context his words, in there spat he says go home, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done.

Not a go back to where you came from

Is USA crime ridden- yes just like every other country

But the economy is booming

Unemployment is at record lows

Black unemployment

Hispanic unemployment

Female unemployment

Tax cuts

Interest rates being cut

Don’t think USA is in such a bad state really

If you take a different meaning I’m sure you can find racism , but his words tell a different story

First, it is not just about Omar. He is also talking about three US born Congress women.

Omar moved the the USA when she was 10 and is a US citizen. She didn't choose to go anywhere.

Omar has not shown any sympathy for terrorist groups. Trump just says that she has.

Have you checked yourself? What she actually said, not what was reported.

There is record employment as the continuation of a process that started from 2010. Look at the graph. It's a straight line. The same with GDP and the stock market.

It just has not been broken.

New jobs, like in the UK, have not been permanent and full time. They have been part time and casual. Like here, the definition of employed includes just an hour a week. Like here, if you are not looking for work because you have given up or are I'll, you are not unemployed.

Why should black, Hispanic or female employment diverge from any national trend? Are they any better paid on average or do they still tend to hold the most menial positions?

Tax cuts were or corporations and the wealthy. The rich have benefitted by far the greatest amount.

I'm not sure that you are as unsure as you make out. I get the impression that you have already made up your mind and just want your opinion endorsed.

So if it’s a downward trend you agree he’s doing a great job along with the 4 million jobs created

So you think trump actually meant go back home fix the problems come back and tell us how fix it, to the other 3 congress women ? That’s a stretch even for the left especially when it’s clear it was Ilhan he was on about

I mention people of colour, Hispanic and woman as you be quite concerned about this racism so thought it was worth mentioning.

So do tax cuts and interest rates being lowered only benefit the rich ?? I would of guessed everyone has more money in there pocket meaning everyone benefits.

Jobs ? Well don’t know what jobs people have, I guess what people are qualified in and have experience in , surly lowest ever is a good thing ? Or is it bad

And concerning Ilhan yes read the the 2 articles and interviews today ( have a look online ) and previously seen the vid

And am I unsure, well I can only go on context and the exact words written and not spinning the words to fit a narrative, I would 90% say confidently say it wasn’t racist, 100% not meant as racist ( he’s a dic so quite possibly hit the send button before reading lol )

I said, quite plainly that he has not done anything to improve the economy growth or employment rate. It is almost unchanged from long before he started.

If you travel at a constant speed you will have gone further after two hours than you had after one hour. That doesn't mean that you've actually done anything other than keep your foot in the same place or leave it on cruise control.

Lowest ever unemployment rate is great as a statistic but he hasn't done anything to affect it. I also made it clear that statistic is meaningless if you are employed working one hour a week. It doesn't matter if that's Obama or Trump.

Again, if people are from a minority and they are benefitting in the same way as everyone else then it is as they should be. However, those minorities have the least well paid jobs. That has not changed.

The biggest benefits, go to the top 1 percent, who are projected to receive an average tax break of $62,000 in 2018, while the middle one-fifth of income earners got an average tax cut of $1,090 — about $20 per biweekly paycheck. The poorer you are the less you benefit.

So yes, the wealthy benefit far more.

The tax cuts are also projected to increase the defecit by $1.9 trillion over ten years.

I posted the tweet which you hadn't read but had an opinion on. You still haven't read it it seems.

You are the one refering to making a decision based on the words he's written, so if he is not telling them to go back home, what is he saying?

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came"

Are they not American? If they were born there do they come from somewhere else.

I'll ask you again, if I'm told to go back to where I came from, what do you think the intent is?

Who is he referring to here? One woman or several?

'“Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries'

What two articles are you talking about that you've read?

If you want to cheerlead for Trump that's fine but don't pretend that you have an open mind about it and aren't sure.

Lol I have enjoyed this

So an additional 4 million jobs hasn’t made a different ?

Tax cut and lower interest rates mean it’s the same for all and same would apply everywhere, if you earned £100k a year or £10k a year you still benefit from the cuts but obviously the ones earning more benefit more that’s just basic isnt it ?

If a minority or a none minority dosent have the education or experience I doubt either would get a managing director role

Of course it increases the trade deficit but luckily trump is re doing lots of trade agreements and will bring in billions more ( and is already ) than the previous agreements

Sorry you want to focus on the words could you point out where it states “ go back home “ or “ why don’t they go back where you come from “ as you said as I must of missed that sorry

In relation to polls and articles they are online I’m sure it won’t take you long to find I can’t do it all for you

I’m not a particular fan of trump I’m definitely more centre than anything. Just dislike the left and there spin on everything and cut down trump all the time, yes he’s a dic ( but a much better option than Hillary mind ) but I genuinely think he’s put the states in a far better place than when he found it and if the dems just worked with him a tiny bit for the good of the country I’m sure it would be a far better place

Anyway we have discussed this plenty today and have a busy night.

I have enjoyed this debate and thank you for your point of view and your passion, I’m sure we will disagree on something again in the future lol

Thanks again and enjoy the rest of your day

You are not centre.

You are a complete Trump fanboy

I just don't understand why you're lying about it.

Do you think it makes your opinions appear more credible?

It really doesn't.

Unfortunately your wrong I believe there good things on the centre left and centre right

Did I hate trump, no, but is he a dic 100% just think he’s not that bad and certainly the better of the 2 options they had

Suppose like yourself everyone should be a far left liberal fairy , keep holding on tight to that bandwagon buddy

You really aren't centrist with what you have been saying.

Your self-perception is way off.

You have not found anything critical to say about Trump's policies whatsoever other than "he is a dick".

"Far left liberal fairy" is a very helpful term for dismissing inconvenient questions.

You may have noted that I have responded to all of your points whilst you have merely repeated yours whilst ignoring any information that you don't like. Particularly the economy.

Ok I see what your doing now, ok let’s break it down

I am a centrist, but we have been discussing the supposed racist tweet you would automatically jump to thinking I’m right leaning, but that’s typical of you far left liberal guys. But yes trump is a dick

Very brief example ( why I have to explain myself I’ve no idea ) I oppose ban abortion ( far right ) and also oppose 9 month abortion ( your far left )

Now this was funny, you state “ "Far left liberal fairy" is a very helpful term for dismissing inconvenient questions.“ But of course you calling me a complete trump fanboy first is completely different I guess haha

Then you say

You may have noted that I have responded to all of your points whilst you have merely repeated yours whilst ignoring any information that you don't like. Particularly the economy

Ok so unless your blind I have responded and replied to you, like you have also to be fair. Difference is I appreciate your debate and look at it openly buuuuuutttt like all you lefties you just want to ignore and try to attack.

So seeming as you ignored my other post/point I have put it below and would love to hear your spin in it ,,,,, shit sorry I mean your point of view

Lol you forgot the really standard racist bit

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ? Hmmm Interesting

You don't have any idea what my position on abortion or capital punishment or welfare or foreign policy is.

It is certainly interesting that you are so able to go into detailed analysis of what I, or other "far left liberals" write but be completely uncritical of Trump's statements, taking them all at face value.

You have completely failed to respond to how any of his policies have benefited the country when his presidency simply sits at the end of an improving trend started long before he entered office

You seem to believe that his tax cuts have not been aimed at primarily benefitting the rich. There were plenty of ways that they could have been targeted to benefit those on lower incomes more, but he chose not to.

You have vaguely referred to Omar supporting terrorism based on two articles which you won't reference. Just about every scrap of information that I can find debunks that completely.

The fact that you are relying on the phrase "come back and show" us to prove Trump's intent was not racist is not surprising when taken in context with you being so uncritical of everything else that he says.

Looking at his rant the implication is that the countries that "they came from" as so terrible that the chances of them returning are minimal. He still told them to go back when they are US citizens. They come from the USA. The implication is that they do not. They are not "real" Americans.

It's not spin. It's abundantly clear.

Yep just what I thought avoid the question lol well played, if you don’t want to answer just say I know you lefties like avoiding questions.

You say: You don't have any idea what my position on abortion or capital punishment or welfare or foreign policy is.

But you clearly know my position even though I’ve told you my position, watch that ledge on the left mate

You say: It is certainly interesting that you are so able to go into detailed analysis of what I, or other "far left liberals" write but be completely uncritical of Trump's statements, taking them all at face value.

I’ve previously said that it was an ill advised and badly written tweet. You may want to go through the thread again if your struggling to keep up, that will also help find the stuff you said I haven’t answered.

On the tweet I can only go on the words ( without moving them or spinning them ) stupid tweet yes racist no

On Omar there are articles ( where you don’t have to move the words around ) online stating HER words, also videos on YT. I’m assuming the have the ability to search for these, it’s called looking for yourself and not listening to others lol,

Just for a laugh then I will see if you answer the question below this time ,, fingers crossed

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ?

"

It's lucky that you are so open minded and have not demonstrated your position of supporting Trump's every action with practically every word you've written

It's good that you have looked at the US economic data and acknowledged that Trump's actions have not changed the trend in employment or GDP growth.

It's good that you have seen that his tax changes have targeted benefits to the wealthiest when they could have been aimed for the poor to benefit more.

It's good that you have agreed with the fact that his tax changes will add trillions to the budget deficit.

I'm delighted that you have found the reams of articles that debunk Omar's support of any terrorist groups when all of her words are read in context.

I am also pleased that you didn't completely miss the part of my reply where I quote the phrase that you keep repeating and make it clear that in context it is a meaningless invitation to return.

Great also that you have so compressively explained why someone who is a US citizen or born there does not come from the USA.

Naturally I apologise for not being able to find the articles that prove her terrorist support.

Here's a little summary for you to read:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/us/politics/trump-fact-check-ilhan-omar.html

Her general position is that Muslims or those from a particular community should not be expected to apologise for the actions of strangers any more than a white person should be. Seems more than reasonable.

Not going to go around in another circle.

Your "openness" is clear.

I'll also add some smiley emojis to look reasonable and amused

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"I didn't think they were racist.

I think the people he said the comments about are experts at turning everything into race/gender politics.

Ermmm he literally said go back to your country to u.s. born citizens"

Actually that’s not what he actually said.

But let’s say he said those exact words, is telling an American to go back to America while in America actually racist ?

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By *ara JTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

Should Donald Trump be told to go back to Germany? Or the Western Isles?

In a country founded and sustained by migration, it really does set him apart as a toxic influence.

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is

They don't come from there. They didn't leave those places. They are as American as he is.

Have you ever been told to go back to where you came from?

If someone said that to someone from my background, as they have, what do you think they mean by it?

Are you telling me that the USA isn't broken and crime-infested?

I struggle to see how you can say he wasn't being racist, it's just the words )and presumably their order and overall meaning) that "seem" to be.

There or what places ?

Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia and came to the US as a refugee and is now a US citizen ( as I’m sure your aware )

Ilhan has openly showed a like for al-qaida and protected al-qaida, she has openly showed her dislike of America

Somalia has terrorist links to al-qaida responsible for a Kenyan shopping mall bombing

So now put in to context his words, in there spat he says go home, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done.

Not a go back to where you came from

Is USA crime ridden- yes just like every other country

But the economy is booming

Unemployment is at record lows

Black unemployment

Hispanic unemployment

Female unemployment

Tax cuts

Interest rates being cut

Don’t think USA is in such a bad state really

If you take a different meaning I’m sure you can find racism , but his words tell a different story

First, it is not just about Omar. He is also talking about three US born Congress women.

Omar moved the the USA when she was 10 and is a US citizen. She didn't choose to go anywhere.

Omar has not shown any sympathy for terrorist groups. Trump just says that she has.

Have you checked yourself? What she actually said, not what was reported.

There is record employment as the continuation of a process that started from 2010. Look at the graph. It's a straight line. The same with GDP and the stock market.

It just has not been broken.

New jobs, like in the UK, have not been permanent and full time. They have been part time and casual. Like here, the definition of employed includes just an hour a week. Like here, if you are not looking for work because you have given up or are I'll, you are not unemployed.

Why should black, Hispanic or female employment diverge from any national trend? Are they any better paid on average or do they still tend to hold the most menial positions?

Tax cuts were or corporations and the wealthy. The rich have benefitted by far the greatest amount.

I'm not sure that you are as unsure as you make out. I get the impression that you have already made up your mind and just want your opinion endorsed.

So if it’s a downward trend you agree he’s doing a great job along with the 4 million jobs created

So you think trump actually meant go back home fix the problems come back and tell us how fix it, to the other 3 congress women ? That’s a stretch even for the left especially when it’s clear it was Ilhan he was on about

I mention people of colour, Hispanic and woman as you be quite concerned about this racism so thought it was worth mentioning.

So do tax cuts and interest rates being lowered only benefit the rich ?? I would of guessed everyone has more money in there pocket meaning everyone benefits.

Jobs ? Well don’t know what jobs people have, I guess what people are qualified in and have experience in , surly lowest ever is a good thing ? Or is it bad

And concerning Ilhan yes read the the 2 articles and interviews today ( have a look online ) and previously seen the vid

And am I unsure, well I can only go on context and the exact words written and not spinning the words to fit a narrative, I would 90% say confidently say it wasn’t racist, 100% not meant as racist ( he’s a dic so quite possibly hit the send button before reading lol )

I said, quite plainly that he has not done anything to improve the economy growth or employment rate. It is almost unchanged from long before he started.

If you travel at a constant speed you will have gone further after two hours than you had after one hour. That doesn't mean that you've actually done anything other than keep your foot in the same place or leave it on cruise control.

Lowest ever unemployment rate is great as a statistic but he hasn't done anything to affect it. I also made it clear that statistic is meaningless if you are employed working one hour a week. It doesn't matter if that's Obama or Trump.

Again, if people are from a minority and they are benefitting in the same way as everyone else then it is as they should be. However, those minorities have the least well paid jobs. That has not changed.

The biggest benefits, go to the top 1 percent, who are projected to receive an average tax break of $62,000 in 2018, while the middle one-fifth of income earners got an average tax cut of $1,090 — about $20 per biweekly paycheck. The poorer you are the less you benefit.

So yes, the wealthy benefit far more.

The tax cuts are also projected to increase the defecit by $1.9 trillion over ten years.

I posted the tweet which you hadn't read but had an opinion on. You still haven't read it it seems.

You are the one refering to making a decision based on the words he's written, so if he is not telling them to go back home, what is he saying?

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came"

Are they not American? If they were born there do they come from somewhere else.

I'll ask you again, if I'm told to go back to where I came from, what do you think the intent is?

Who is he referring to here? One woman or several?

'“Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries'

What two articles are you talking about that you've read?

If you want to cheerlead for Trump that's fine but don't pretend that you have an open mind about it and aren't sure.

Lol I have enjoyed this

So an additional 4 million jobs hasn’t made a different ?

Tax cut and lower interest rates mean it’s the same for all and same would apply everywhere, if you earned £100k a year or £10k a year you still benefit from the cuts but obviously the ones earning more benefit more that’s just basic isnt it ?

If a minority or a none minority dosent have the education or experience I doubt either would get a managing director role

Of course it increases the trade deficit but luckily trump is re doing lots of trade agreements and will bring in billions more ( and is already ) than the previous agreements

Sorry you want to focus on the words could you point out where it states “ go back home “ or “ why don’t they go back where you come from “ as you said as I must of missed that sorry

In relation to polls and articles they are online I’m sure it won’t take you long to find I can’t do it all for you

I’m not a particular fan of trump I’m definitely more centre than anything. Just dislike the left and there spin on everything and cut down trump all the time, yes he’s a dic ( but a much better option than Hillary mind ) but I genuinely think he’s put the states in a far better place than when he found it and if the dems just worked with him a tiny bit for the good of the country I’m sure it would be a far better place

Anyway we have discussed this plenty today and have a busy night.

I have enjoyed this debate and thank you for your point of view and your passion, I’m sure we will disagree on something again in the future lol

Thanks again and enjoy the rest of your day

You are not centre.

You are a complete Trump fanboy

I just don't understand why you're lying about it.

Do you think it makes your opinions appear more credible?

It really doesn't.

Unfortunately your wrong I believe there good things on the centre left and centre right

Did I hate trump, no, but is he a dic 100% just think he’s not that bad and certainly the better of the 2 options they had

Suppose like yourself everyone should be a far left liberal fairy , keep holding on tight to that bandwagon buddy

You really aren't centrist with what you have been saying.

Your self-perception is way off.

You have not found anything critical to say about Trump's policies whatsoever other than "he is a dick".

"Far left liberal fairy" is a very helpful term for dismissing inconvenient questions.

You may have noted that I have responded to all of your points whilst you have merely repeated yours whilst ignoring any information that you don't like. Particularly the economy.

Ok I see what your doing now, ok let’s break it down

I am a centrist, but we have been discussing the supposed racist tweet you would automatically jump to thinking I’m right leaning, but that’s typical of you far left liberal guys. But yes trump is a dick

Very brief example ( why I have to explain myself I’ve no idea ) I oppose ban abortion ( far right ) and also oppose 9 month abortion ( your far left )

Now this was funny, you state “ "Far left liberal fairy" is a very helpful term for dismissing inconvenient questions.“ But of course you calling me a complete trump fanboy first is completely different I guess haha

Then you say

You may have noted that I have responded to all of your points whilst you have merely repeated yours whilst ignoring any information that you don't like. Particularly the economy

Ok so unless your blind I have responded and replied to you, like you have also to be fair. Difference is I appreciate your debate and look at it openly buuuuuutttt like all you lefties you just want to ignore and try to attack.

So seeming as you ignored my other post/point I have put it below and would love to hear your spin in it ,,,,, shit sorry I mean your point of view

Lol you forgot the really standard racist bit

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ? Hmmm Interesting

You don't have any idea what my position on abortion or capital punishment or welfare or foreign policy is.

It is certainly interesting that you are so able to go into detailed analysis of what I, or other "far left liberals" write but be completely uncritical of Trump's statements, taking them all at face value.

You have completely failed to respond to how any of his policies have benefited the country when his presidency simply sits at the end of an improving trend started long before he entered office

You seem to believe that his tax cuts have not been aimed at primarily benefitting the rich. There were plenty of ways that they could have been targeted to benefit those on lower incomes more, but he chose not to.

You have vaguely referred to Omar supporting terrorism based on two articles which you won't reference. Just about every scrap of information that I can find debunks that completely.

The fact that you are relying on the phrase "come back and show" us to prove Trump's intent was not racist is not surprising when taken in context with you being so uncritical of everything else that he says.

Looking at his rant the implication is that the countries that "they came from" as so terrible that the chances of them returning are minimal. He still told them to go back when they are US citizens. They come from the USA. The implication is that they do not. They are not "real" Americans.

It's not spin. It's abundantly clear.

Yep just what I thought avoid the question lol well played, if you don’t want to answer just say I know you lefties like avoiding questions.

You say: You don't have any idea what my position on abortion or capital punishment or welfare or foreign policy is.

But you clearly know my position even though I’ve told you my position, watch that ledge on the left mate

You say: It is certainly interesting that you are so able to go into detailed analysis of what I, or other "far left liberals" write but be completely uncritical of Trump's statements, taking them all at face value.

I’ve previously said that it was an ill advised and badly written tweet. You may want to go through the thread again if your struggling to keep up, that will also help find the stuff you said I haven’t answered.

On the tweet I can only go on the words ( without moving them or spinning them ) stupid tweet yes racist no

On Omar there are articles ( where you don’t have to move the words around ) online stating HER words, also videos on YT. I’m assuming the have the ability to search for these, it’s called looking for yourself and not listening to others lol,

Just for a laugh then I will see if you answer the question below this time ,, fingers crossed

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ?

It's lucky that you are so open minded and have not demonstrated your position of supporting Trump's every action with practically every word you've written

It's good that you have looked at the US economic data and acknowledged that Trump's actions have not changed the trend in employment or GDP growth.

It's good that you have seen that his tax changes have targeted benefits to the wealthiest when they could have been aimed for the poor to benefit more.

It's good that you have agreed with the fact that his tax changes will add trillions to the budget deficit.

I'm delighted that you have found the reams of articles that debunk Omar's support of any terrorist groups when all of her words are read in context.

I am also pleased that you didn't completely miss the part of my reply where I quote the phrase that you keep repeating and make it clear that in context it is a meaningless invitation to return.

Great also that you have so compressively explained why someone who is a US citizen or born there does not come from the USA.

Naturally I apologise for not being able to find the articles that prove her terrorist support.

Here's a little summary for you to read:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/us/politics/trump-fact-check-ilhan-omar.html

Her general position is that Muslims or those from a particular community should not be expected to apologise for the actions of strangers any more than a white person should be. Seems more than reasonable.

Not going to go around in another circle.

Your "openness" is clear.

I'll also add some smiley emojis to look reasonable and amused "

Lol all that when you could of said no I won’t answer your question lol

Well just in case you change your mind and want to answer it I will ask again

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ?

Just say if you don’t want to answer the question, it’s ok lefties usually won’t and it saves you time writing all the other stuff

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is

They don't come from there. They didn't leave those places. They are as American as he is.

Have you ever been told to go back to where you came from?

If someone said that to someone from my background, as they have, what do you think they mean by it?

Are you telling me that the USA isn't broken and crime-infested?

I struggle to see how you can say he wasn't being racist, it's just the words )and presumably their order and overall meaning) that "seem" to be.

There or what places ?

Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia and came to the US as a refugee and is now a US citizen ( as I’m sure your aware )

Ilhan has openly showed a like for al-qaida and protected al-qaida, she has openly showed her dislike of America

Somalia has terrorist links to al-qaida responsible for a Kenyan shopping mall bombing

So now put in to context his words, in there spat he says go home, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done.

Not a go back to where you came from

Is USA crime ridden- yes just like every other country

But the economy is booming

Unemployment is at record lows

Black unemployment

Hispanic unemployment

Female unemployment

Tax cuts

Interest rates being cut

Don’t think USA is in such a bad state really

If you take a different meaning I’m sure you can find racism , but his words tell a different story

First, it is not just about Omar. He is also talking about three US born Congress women.

Omar moved the the USA when she was 10 and is a US citizen. She didn't choose to go anywhere.

Omar has not shown any sympathy for terrorist groups. Trump just says that she has.

Have you checked yourself? What she actually said, not what was reported.

There is record employment as the continuation of a process that started from 2010. Look at the graph. It's a straight line. The same with GDP and the stock market.

It just has not been broken.

New jobs, like in the UK, have not been permanent and full time. They have been part time and casual. Like here, the definition of employed includes just an hour a week. Like here, if you are not looking for work because you have given up or are I'll, you are not unemployed.

Why should black, Hispanic or female employment diverge from any national trend? Are they any better paid on average or do they still tend to hold the most menial positions?

Tax cuts were or corporations and the wealthy. The rich have benefitted by far the greatest amount.

I'm not sure that you are as unsure as you make out. I get the impression that you have already made up your mind and just want your opinion endorsed.

So if it’s a downward trend you agree he’s doing a great job along with the 4 million jobs created

So you think trump actually meant go back home fix the problems come back and tell us how fix it, to the other 3 congress women ? That’s a stretch even for the left especially when it’s clear it was Ilhan he was on about

I mention people of colour, Hispanic and woman as you be quite concerned about this racism so thought it was worth mentioning.

So do tax cuts and interest rates being lowered only benefit the rich ?? I would of guessed everyone has more money in there pocket meaning everyone benefits.

Jobs ? Well don’t know what jobs people have, I guess what people are qualified in and have experience in , surly lowest ever is a good thing ? Or is it bad

And concerning Ilhan yes read the the 2 articles and interviews today ( have a look online ) and previously seen the vid

And am I unsure, well I can only go on context and the exact words written and not spinning the words to fit a narrative, I would 90% say confidently say it wasn’t racist, 100% not meant as racist ( he’s a dic so quite possibly hit the send button before reading lol )

I said, quite plainly that he has not done anything to improve the economy growth or employment rate. It is almost unchanged from long before he started.

If you travel at a constant speed you will have gone further after two hours than you had after one hour. That doesn't mean that you've actually done anything other than keep your foot in the same place or leave it on cruise control.

Lowest ever unemployment rate is great as a statistic but he hasn't done anything to affect it. I also made it clear that statistic is meaningless if you are employed working one hour a week. It doesn't matter if that's Obama or Trump.

Again, if people are from a minority and they are benefitting in the same way as everyone else then it is as they should be. However, those minorities have the least well paid jobs. That has not changed.

The biggest benefits, go to the top 1 percent, who are projected to receive an average tax break of $62,000 in 2018, while the middle one-fifth of income earners got an average tax cut of $1,090 — about $20 per biweekly paycheck. The poorer you are the less you benefit.

So yes, the wealthy benefit far more.

The tax cuts are also projected to increase the defecit by $1.9 trillion over ten years.

I posted the tweet which you hadn't read but had an opinion on. You still haven't read it it seems.

You are the one refering to making a decision based on the words he's written, so if he is not telling them to go back home, what is he saying?

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came"

Are they not American? If they were born there do they come from somewhere else.

I'll ask you again, if I'm told to go back to where I came from, what do you think the intent is?

Who is he referring to here? One woman or several?

'“Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries'

What two articles are you talking about that you've read?

If you want to cheerlead for Trump that's fine but don't pretend that you have an open mind about it and aren't sure.

Lol I have enjoyed this

So an additional 4 million jobs hasn’t made a different ?

Tax cut and lower interest rates mean it’s the same for all and same would apply everywhere, if you earned £100k a year or £10k a year you still benefit from the cuts but obviously the ones earning more benefit more that’s just basic isnt it ?

If a minority or a none minority dosent have the education or experience I doubt either would get a managing director role

Of course it increases the trade deficit but luckily trump is re doing lots of trade agreements and will bring in billions more ( and is already ) than the previous agreements

Sorry you want to focus on the words could you point out where it states “ go back home “ or “ why don’t they go back where you come from “ as you said as I must of missed that sorry

In relation to polls and articles they are online I’m sure it won’t take you long to find I can’t do it all for you

I’m not a particular fan of trump I’m definitely more centre than anything. Just dislike the left and there spin on everything and cut down trump all the time, yes he’s a dic ( but a much better option than Hillary mind ) but I genuinely think he’s put the states in a far better place than when he found it and if the dems just worked with him a tiny bit for the good of the country I’m sure it would be a far better place

Anyway we have discussed this plenty today and have a busy night.

I have enjoyed this debate and thank you for your point of view and your passion, I’m sure we will disagree on something again in the future lol

Thanks again and enjoy the rest of your day

You are not centre.

You are a complete Trump fanboy

I just don't understand why you're lying about it.

Do you think it makes your opinions appear more credible?

It really doesn't.

Unfortunately your wrong I believe there good things on the centre left and centre right

Did I hate trump, no, but is he a dic 100% just think he’s not that bad and certainly the better of the 2 options they had

Suppose like yourself everyone should be a far left liberal fairy , keep holding on tight to that bandwagon buddy

You really aren't centrist with what you have been saying.

Your self-perception is way off.

You have not found anything critical to say about Trump's policies whatsoever other than "he is a dick".

"Far left liberal fairy" is a very helpful term for dismissing inconvenient questions.

You may have noted that I have responded to all of your points whilst you have merely repeated yours whilst ignoring any information that you don't like. Particularly the economy.

Ok I see what your doing now, ok let’s break it down

I am a centrist, but we have been discussing the supposed racist tweet you would automatically jump to thinking I’m right leaning, but that’s typical of you far left liberal guys. But yes trump is a dick

Very brief example ( why I have to explain myself I’ve no idea ) I oppose ban abortion ( far right ) and also oppose 9 month abortion ( your far left )

Now this was funny, you state “ "Far left liberal fairy" is a very helpful term for dismissing inconvenient questions.“ But of course you calling me a complete trump fanboy first is completely different I guess haha

Then you say

You may have noted that I have responded to all of your points whilst you have merely repeated yours whilst ignoring any information that you don't like. Particularly the economy

Ok so unless your blind I have responded and replied to you, like you have also to be fair. Difference is I appreciate your debate and look at it openly buuuuuutttt like all you lefties you just want to ignore and try to attack.

So seeming as you ignored my other post/point I have put it below and would love to hear your spin in it ,,,,, shit sorry I mean your point of view

Lol you forgot the really standard racist bit

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ? Hmmm Interesting

You don't have any idea what my position on abortion or capital punishment or welfare or foreign policy is.

It is certainly interesting that you are so able to go into detailed analysis of what I, or other "far left liberals" write but be completely uncritical of Trump's statements, taking them all at face value.

You have completely failed to respond to how any of his policies have benefited the country when his presidency simply sits at the end of an improving trend started long before he entered office

You seem to believe that his tax cuts have not been aimed at primarily benefitting the rich. There were plenty of ways that they could have been targeted to benefit those on lower incomes more, but he chose not to.

You have vaguely referred to Omar supporting terrorism based on two articles which you won't reference. Just about every scrap of information that I can find debunks that completely.

The fact that you are relying on the phrase "come back and show" us to prove Trump's intent was not racist is not surprising when taken in context with you being so uncritical of everything else that he says.

Looking at his rant the implication is that the countries that "they came from" as so terrible that the chances of them returning are minimal. He still told them to go back when they are US citizens. They come from the USA. The implication is that they do not. They are not "real" Americans.

It's not spin. It's abundantly clear.

Yep just what I thought avoid the question lol well played, if you don’t want to answer just say I know you lefties like avoiding questions.

You say: You don't have any idea what my position on abortion or capital punishment or welfare or foreign policy is.

But you clearly know my position even though I’ve told you my position, watch that ledge on the left mate

You say: It is certainly interesting that you are so able to go into detailed analysis of what I, or other "far left liberals" write but be completely uncritical of Trump's statements, taking them all at face value.

I’ve previously said that it was an ill advised and badly written tweet. You may want to go through the thread again if your struggling to keep up, that will also help find the stuff you said I haven’t answered.

On the tweet I can only go on the words ( without moving them or spinning them ) stupid tweet yes racist no

On Omar there are articles ( where you don’t have to move the words around ) online stating HER words, also videos on YT. I’m assuming the have the ability to search for these, it’s called looking for yourself and not listening to others lol,

Just for a laugh then I will see if you answer the question below this time ,, fingers crossed

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ?

It's lucky that you are so open minded and have not demonstrated your position of supporting Trump's every action with practically every word you've written

It's good that you have looked at the US economic data and acknowledged that Trump's actions have not changed the trend in employment or GDP growth.

It's good that you have seen that his tax changes have targeted benefits to the wealthiest when they could have been aimed for the poor to benefit more.

It's good that you have agreed with the fact that his tax changes will add trillions to the budget deficit.

I'm delighted that you have found the reams of articles that debunk Omar's support of any terrorist groups when all of her words are read in context.

I am also pleased that you didn't completely miss the part of my reply where I quote the phrase that you keep repeating and make it clear that in context it is a meaningless invitation to return.

Great also that you have so compressively explained why someone who is a US citizen or born there does not come from the USA.

Naturally I apologise for not being able to find the articles that prove her terrorist support.

Here's a little summary for you to read:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/us/politics/trump-fact-check-ilhan-omar.html

Her general position is that Muslims or those from a particular community should not be expected to apologise for the actions of strangers any more than a white person should be. Seems more than reasonable.

Not going to go around in another circle.

Your "openness" is clear.

I'll also add some smiley emojis to look reasonable and amused

Lol all that when you could of said no I won’t answer your question lol

Well just in case you change your mind and want to answer it I will ask again

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ?

Just say if you don’t want to answer the question, it’s ok lefties usually won’t and it saves you time writing all the other stuff"

Yes, Trump said "come back" it in his racist tweet because racists and highly intelligent people like Trump say all manner of incoherent things.

Is that the simplistic answer that you needed?

Now would you care to answer a question directly?

Why did he tell US citizens to "go back to where they came from"?

Do people say that unless they are implying that they are not really US citizens? Do people say that if their physical appearance makes no difference to their status as an American?

Good ignoring of the economics again

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By *hetalkingstoveMan  over a year ago

London


"

Well just in case you change your mind and want to answer it I will ask again

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ?

Just say if you don’t want to answer the question, it’s ok lefties usually won’t and it saves you time writing all the other stuff"

I see your opinion in here is as right-wing and nonsensical as your opinion about LGBTQ education in schools. But sure, you're a centrist.

Trump saying 'and come back' is meaningless to the implicit and racist message of his tweet, which was that the women involved are not Americans and need to go anywhere in the first place.

You can see the result of this with a crowd at a rally last night chanting 'send her back!' to Trump's evident approval. They're not chanting 'send her back for a bit and then she can please come back here again!', are they.

Also, stop quoting huge amounts of text every time you reply. It takes two seconds to edit it down and stops the thread becoming a mess.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"

Well just in case you change your mind and want to answer it I will ask again

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ?

Just say if you don’t want to answer the question, it’s ok lefties usually won’t and it saves you time writing all the other stuff

I see your opinion in here is as right-wing and nonsensical as your opinion about LGBTQ education in schools. But sure, you're a centrist.

Trump saying 'and come back' is meaningless to the implicit and racist message of his tweet, which was that the women involved are not Americans and need to go anywhere in the first place.

You can see the result of this with a crowd at a rally last night chanting 'send her back!' to Trump's evident approval. They're not chanting 'send her back for a bit and then she can please come back here again!', are they.

Also, stop quoting huge amounts of text every time you reply. It takes two seconds to edit it down and stops the thread becoming a mess. "

Sorry, my bad too on the last point

I did start by leaving it to make it clear what is and is not being addressed, bit then it started to go around in circles...

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"can we agree this time... both those on the left and the right, that the last lot of tweets were racist....

i am just looking for one "right leaning" person on here to condemn trump... and you will have made my day....

thanks in advance....."

Apparently we can't agree. Particularly the more centrist ones

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"Think his tweets definitely can be taken as racist 100%, ( not sticking up for trump on this )

Not sure if that was his aim really as he was taking a dig at one person ( dosent make it right I know )

Is trump racist, I’m not sure. Is trump a dic as a person, 100% yes.

I'm not entirely sure what he said is racist to be honest.

Stupid, unhelpful, childish, petty I just don't see the racism.

The one congress woman he was going after has said awful things about America as well as comments in favour of ISIS, she won’t condemn isis or antifa,

Other reports are saying this tweet was deliberate to draw the media attention away from a bill he just signed to be past

I just don’t know.

Setting aside the four women if he'd said this to say Boris Johnson would anybody think it was racism?, what about if he'd said it to Diane Abbott?.

Go back to where you came from is a ridiculous statement, how far back 50 years 100 a 1000,50000.

It's childish I just don't see how it's racist.

No. You don't seem to quite get racism.

What would be racist in your opinion?.

Could you elaborate on how it is, maybe then I could grasp it?.

Specifically using someone's ethnicity to insult or belittle them or treat them unfairly or imply that they have no place in society.

Telling someone to "go back" to the country they were not born or raised in from the one in which they were is racist.

Childish things are said and done out of foolishness or ignorance.

This is not childish.

So, again, what is racist in your opinion? Anything?

Don’t think he mentioned any ethnicity did he

And in context as he was digging at the one congress woman who attacks America and supports her place of birth values, didn’t his tweet say something like why don’t you go home fix the problems there and come back and show us how it’s done ?

Stupid tweet yes, racist maybe

Was it meant to be racist I didn’t think so

Read the tweet before you comment on it.

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

So I was right then in general ?

So this is the exact words

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....

....it is done.

So again in general there is no “ go back to where you bloody come from and never come back bla bla bla “ as that’s 100% racist

Generally he said go back, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done

Starting to think this isn’t even racist at all, of course if you hate him or think the worst and look for the bad in everyone you can take a different meaning and make it racist, but just the words,,, I’m not sure it is

They don't come from there. They didn't leave those places. They are as American as he is.

Have you ever been told to go back to where you came from?

If someone said that to someone from my background, as they have, what do you think they mean by it?

Are you telling me that the USA isn't broken and crime-infested?

I struggle to see how you can say he wasn't being racist, it's just the words )and presumably their order and overall meaning) that "seem" to be.

There or what places ?

Ilhan Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia and came to the US as a refugee and is now a US citizen ( as I’m sure your aware )

Ilhan has openly showed a like for al-qaida and protected al-qaida, she has openly showed her dislike of America

Somalia has terrorist links to al-qaida responsible for a Kenyan shopping mall bombing

So now put in to context his words, in there spat he says go home, fix the problems, come back and show us how it’s done.

Not a go back to where you came from

Is USA crime ridden- yes just like every other country

But the economy is booming

Unemployment is at record lows

Black unemployment

Hispanic unemployment

Female unemployment

Tax cuts

Interest rates being cut

Don’t think USA is in such a bad state really

If you take a different meaning I’m sure you can find racism , but his words tell a different story

First, it is not just about Omar. He is also talking about three US born Congress women.

Omar moved the the USA when she was 10 and is a US citizen. She didn't choose to go anywhere.

Omar has not shown any sympathy for terrorist groups. Trump just says that she has.

Have you checked yourself? What she actually said, not what was reported.

There is record employment as the continuation of a process that started from 2010. Look at the graph. It's a straight line. The same with GDP and the stock market.

It just has not been broken.

New jobs, like in the UK, have not been permanent and full time. They have been part time and casual. Like here, the definition of employed includes just an hour a week. Like here, if you are not looking for work because you have given up or are I'll, you are not unemployed.

Why should black, Hispanic or female employment diverge from any national trend? Are they any better paid on average or do they still tend to hold the most menial positions?

Tax cuts were or corporations and the wealthy. The rich have benefitted by far the greatest amount.

I'm not sure that you are as unsure as you make out. I get the impression that you have already made up your mind and just want your opinion endorsed.

So if it’s a downward trend you agree he’s doing a great job along with the 4 million jobs created

So you think trump actually meant go back home fix the problems come back and tell us how fix it, to the other 3 congress women ? That’s a stretch even for the left especially when it’s clear it was Ilhan he was on about

I mention people of colour, Hispanic and woman as you be quite concerned about this racism so thought it was worth mentioning.

So do tax cuts and interest rates being lowered only benefit the rich ?? I would of guessed everyone has more money in there pocket meaning everyone benefits.

Jobs ? Well don’t know what jobs people have, I guess what people are qualified in and have experience in , surly lowest ever is a good thing ? Or is it bad

And concerning Ilhan yes read the the 2 articles and interviews today ( have a look online ) and previously seen the vid

And am I unsure, well I can only go on context and the exact words written and not spinning the words to fit a narrative, I would 90% say confidently say it wasn’t racist, 100% not meant as racist ( he’s a dic so quite possibly hit the send button before reading lol )

I said, quite plainly that he has not done anything to improve the economy growth or employment rate. It is almost unchanged from long before he started.

If you travel at a constant speed you will have gone further after two hours than you had after one hour. That doesn't mean that you've actually done anything other than keep your foot in the same place or leave it on cruise control.

Lowest ever unemployment rate is great as a statistic but he hasn't done anything to affect it. I also made it clear that statistic is meaningless if you are employed working one hour a week. It doesn't matter if that's Obama or Trump.

Again, if people are from a minority and they are benefitting in the same way as everyone else then it is as they should be. However, those minorities have the least well paid jobs. That has not changed.

The biggest benefits, go to the top 1 percent, who are projected to receive an average tax break of $62,000 in 2018, while the middle one-fifth of income earners got an average tax cut of $1,090 — about $20 per biweekly paycheck. The poorer you are the less you benefit.

So yes, the wealthy benefit far more.

The tax cuts are also projected to increase the defecit by $1.9 trillion over ten years.

I posted the tweet which you hadn't read but had an opinion on. You still haven't read it it seems.

You are the one refering to making a decision based on the words he's written, so if he is not telling them to go back home, what is he saying?

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came"

Are they not American? If they were born there do they come from somewhere else.

I'll ask you again, if I'm told to go back to where I came from, what do you think the intent is?

Who is he referring to here? One woman or several?

'“Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries'

What two articles are you talking about that you've read?

If you want to cheerlead for Trump that's fine but don't pretend that you have an open mind about it and aren't sure.

Lol I have enjoyed this

So an additional 4 million jobs hasn’t made a different ?

Tax cut and lower interest rates mean it’s the same for all and same would apply everywhere, if you earned £100k a year or £10k a year you still benefit from the cuts but obviously the ones earning more benefit more that’s just basic isnt it ?

If a minority or a none minority dosent have the education or experience I doubt either would get a managing director role

Of course it increases the trade deficit but luckily trump is re doing lots of trade agreements and will bring in billions more ( and is already ) than the previous agreements

Sorry you want to focus on the words could you point out where it states “ go back home “ or “ why don’t they go back where you come from “ as you said as I must of missed that sorry

In relation to polls and articles they are online I’m sure it won’t take you long to find I can’t do it all for you

I’m not a particular fan of trump I’m definitely more centre than anything. Just dislike the left and there spin on everything and cut down trump all the time, yes he’s a dic ( but a much better option than Hillary mind ) but I genuinely think he’s put the states in a far better place than when he found it and if the dems just worked with him a tiny bit for the good of the country I’m sure it would be a far better place

Anyway we have discussed this plenty today and have a busy night.

I have enjoyed this debate and thank you for your point of view and your passion, I’m sure we will disagree on something again in the future lol

Thanks again and enjoy the rest of your day

You are not centre.

You are a complete Trump fanboy

I just don't understand why you're lying about it.

Do you think it makes your opinions appear more credible?

It really doesn't.

Unfortunately your wrong I believe there good things on the centre left and centre right

Did I hate trump, no, but is he a dic 100% just think he’s not that bad and certainly the better of the 2 options they had

Suppose like yourself everyone should be a far left liberal fairy , keep holding on tight to that bandwagon buddy

You really aren't centrist with what you have been saying.

Your self-perception is way off.

You have not found anything critical to say about Trump's policies whatsoever other than "he is a dick".

"Far left liberal fairy" is a very helpful term for dismissing inconvenient questions.

You may have noted that I have responded to all of your points whilst you have merely repeated yours whilst ignoring any information that you don't like. Particularly the economy.

Ok I see what your doing now, ok let’s break it down

I am a centrist, but we have been discussing the supposed racist tweet you would automatically jump to thinking I’m right leaning, but that’s typical of you far left liberal guys. But yes trump is a dick

Very brief example ( why I have to explain myself I’ve no idea ) I oppose ban abortion ( far right ) and also oppose 9 month abortion ( your far left )

Now this was funny, you state “ "Far left liberal fairy" is a very helpful term for dismissing inconvenient questions.“ But of course you calling me a complete trump fanboy first is completely different I guess haha

Then you say

You may have noted that I have responded to all of your points whilst you have merely repeated yours whilst ignoring any information that you don't like. Particularly the economy

Ok so unless your blind I have responded and replied to you, like you have also to be fair. Difference is I appreciate your debate and look at it openly buuuuuutttt like all you lefties you just want to ignore and try to attack.

So seeming as you ignored my other post/point I have put it below and would love to hear your spin in it ,,,,, shit sorry I mean your point of view

Lol you forgot the really standard racist bit

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ? Hmmm Interesting

You don't have any idea what my position on abortion or capital punishment or welfare or foreign policy is.

It is certainly interesting that you are so able to go into detailed analysis of what I, or other "far left liberals" write but be completely uncritical of Trump's statements, taking them all at face value.

You have completely failed to respond to how any of his policies have benefited the country when his presidency simply sits at the end of an improving trend started long before he entered office

You seem to believe that his tax cuts have not been aimed at primarily benefitting the rich. There were plenty of ways that they could have been targeted to benefit those on lower incomes more, but he chose not to.

You have vaguely referred to Omar supporting terrorism based on two articles which you won't reference. Just about every scrap of information that I can find debunks that completely.

The fact that you are relying on the phrase "come back and show" us to prove Trump's intent was not racist is not surprising when taken in context with you being so uncritical of everything else that he says.

Looking at his rant the implication is that the countries that "they came from" as so terrible that the chances of them returning are minimal. He still told them to go back when they are US citizens. They come from the USA. The implication is that they do not. They are not "real" Americans.

It's not spin. It's abundantly clear.

Yep just what I thought avoid the question lol well played, if you don’t want to answer just say I know you lefties like avoiding questions.

You say: You don't have any idea what my position on abortion or capital punishment or welfare or foreign policy is.

But you clearly know my position even though I’ve told you my position, watch that ledge on the left mate

You say: It is certainly interesting that you are so able to go into detailed analysis of what I, or other "far left liberals" write but be completely uncritical of Trump's statements, taking them all at face value.

I’ve previously said that it was an ill advised and badly written tweet. You may want to go through the thread again if your struggling to keep up, that will also help find the stuff you said I haven’t answered.

On the tweet I can only go on the words ( without moving them or spinning them ) stupid tweet yes racist no

On Omar there are articles ( where you don’t have to move the words around ) online stating HER words, also videos on YT. I’m assuming the have the ability to search for these, it’s called looking for yourself and not listening to others lol,

Just for a laugh then I will see if you answer the question below this time ,, fingers crossed

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ?

It's lucky that you are so open minded and have not demonstrated your position of supporting Trump's every action with practically every word you've written

It's good that you have looked at the US economic data and acknowledged that Trump's actions have not changed the trend in employment or GDP growth.

It's good that you have seen that his tax changes have targeted benefits to the wealthiest when they could have been aimed for the poor to benefit more.

It's good that you have agreed with the fact that his tax changes will add trillions to the budget deficit.

I'm delighted that you have found the reams of articles that debunk Omar's support of any terrorist groups when all of her words are read in context.

I am also pleased that you didn't completely miss the part of my reply where I quote the phrase that you keep repeating and make it clear that in context it is a meaningless invitation to return.

Great also that you have so compressively explained why someone who is a US citizen or born there does not come from the USA.

Naturally I apologise for not being able to find the articles that prove her terrorist support.

Here's a little summary for you to read:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/us/politics/trump-fact-check-ilhan-omar.html

Her general position is that Muslims or those from a particular community should not be expected to apologise for the actions of strangers any more than a white person should be. Seems more than reasonable.

Not going to go around in another circle.

Your "openness" is clear.

I'll also add some smiley emojis to look reasonable and amused

Lol all that when you could of said no I won’t answer your question lol

Well just in case you change your mind and want to answer it I will ask again

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Is that what racists usually do things ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back ?

Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ?

Just say if you don’t want to answer the question, it’s ok lefties usually won’t and it saves you time writing all the other stuff

Yes, Trump said "come back" it in his racist tweet because racists and highly intelligent people like Trump say all manner of incoherent things.

Is that the simplistic answer that you needed?

Now would you care to answer a question directly?

Why did he tell US citizens to "go back to where they came from"?

Do people say that unless they are implying that they are not really US citizens? Do people say that if their physical appearance makes no difference to their status as an American?

Good ignoring of the economics again "

Lol this is hilarious are you spinning my words now as well, once a leftist always a leftist I guess

If you don’t want to answer the questions just say lol it’s cool we won’t think any less of you

Will try one last time and will number them for you if it helps, also to make it easier the questions just need a yes or no answer ok

If your not keeping up just say and will try and break it down even more for you.

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Question 1: Is this what racists usually do by saying ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back

Question 2: Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ?

Good luck mate, you got this

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"

Lol this is hilarious are you spinning my words now as well, once a leftist always a leftist I guess

If you don’t want to answer the questions just say lol it’s cool we won’t think any less of you

Will try one last time and will number them for you if it helps, also to make it easier the questions just need a yes or no answer ok

If your not keeping up just say and will try and break it down even more for you.

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Question 1: Is this what racists usually do by saying ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back

Question 2: Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ?

Good luck mate, you got this "

I have got this and so have several other people.

You don't seem to have got it at all though. You're on your own it seems.

It doesn't necessarily make you wrong but it certainly makes you special

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By *retty GoodMan  over a year ago

Cardiff Bay


"

Lol this is hilarious are you spinning my words now as well, once a leftist always a leftist I guess

If you don’t want to answer the questions just say lol it’s cool we won’t think any less of you

Will try one last time and will number them for you if it helps, also to make it easier the questions just need a yes or no answer ok

If your not keeping up just say and will try and break it down even more for you.

“ and COME BACK and show us how it’s done “

Question 1: Is this what racists usually do by saying ? Yeah go back to your own country ,, but please come back

Question 2: Do racists usually ask the people they don’t like to come back ?

Good luck mate, you got this

I have got this and so have several other people.

You don't seem to have got it at all though. You're on your own it seems.

It doesn't necessarily make you wrong but it certainly makes you special "

There we have it ladies and gentlemen, the far left, progressives at there best.

Spin spin spin everything to fit there narrative and avoid simple questions because the answers don’t fit

You have your far left political beliefs and I have my centrist beliefs, but just so you know you are allowed to admit your wrong. To be fair it looks better than avoiding basic questions.

Sure your always going to hate trump , and I’m sure he will fuc things up on his own eventually but you can’t spin and twist words and make things up on everything thing he does. Be patient he will do it himself.

Well take care snowflake and have a great day

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