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Does free "speech entitle" you to lie
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Heard this from a serving politican on the radio this morning in a clip taken from an interview a week or so back and was asked by the interviewer about something the they had very publicly said and the reply was
" "I don't think it was accurate but I have freedom of speech"
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Indeed we have "Freedom of speech" but does this really give licence to massively exaggerate or out right lie now?
I for one think nothing should be said especially publicly by politicians unless it is as accurate as can possibly be.
Or have we now got to a Trump esk like position where we don't care what politicians say?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If someone's free speech is lies and can be easily debunked with fact then.... Let them say what they like and laugh at them when they get shown up as a bullshitter. I think that's what usually happens these days anyway |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Yes free speech does include lies, the only things it doesn't cover is anything that is an actual call to violence or speech that encroaches on someone else's freedom of speech. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Yes free speech does include lies, the only things it doesn't cover is anything that is an actual call to violence or speech that encroaches on someone else's freedom of speech. "
Please qualify a lie,what I mean is do you include exaggeration of truth,maybe stretching truth,this is not an easy question.
To some twisting the truth is a lie and of course the fact that sarcasm which I use sometimes is a form of a lie or is it?
Not such a straight forward question.Some people say things they believe to be true but thdey are not is that a lie?Etc
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"Heard this from a serving politican on the radio this morning in a clip taken from an interview a week or so back and was asked by the interviewer about something the they had very publicly said and the reply was
"I don't think it was accurate but I have freedom of speech"
Indeed we have "Freedom of speech" but does this really give licence to massively exaggerate or out right lie now?
I for one think nothing should be said especially publicly by politicians unless it is as accurate as can possibly be.
Or have we now got to a Trump esk like position where we don't care what politicians say?
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Most of the mainstream media lie on a daily basis so , yes . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Please qualify a lie,what I mean is do you include exaggeration of truth,maybe stretching truth,this is not an easy question.
To some twisting the truth is a lie and of course the fact that sarcasm which I use sometimes is a form of a lie or is it?
Not such a straight forward question.Some people say things they believe to be true but thdey are not is that a lie?Etc
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If you inflate the truth no matter how much, either a small amount or huge, surely it's no longer a truth is it? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Yes free speech does include lies, the only things it doesn't cover is anything that is an actual call to violence or speech that encroaches on someone else's freedom of speech. "
Yes I know that but I'm on about the context of a politican saying what they said was fine even though it wasn't accurate because they have free speech.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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At last count Trump has tweeted over 10,000 verifiable false statements.
So yes it's ok.I just hope his opposition realise soon that nobody cares about the truth anymore as trump has proven beyond doubt.
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Free speech does include the freedom to lie. However all this means is that it is not against the LAW OF THE COUNTRY to say such things. There are many situations where the right to free speech is overridden by other legal obligations.
Lying while giving evidence at a trial for instance is the crime of perjury, free speech is not a defense. Knowingly lying to your employer may well break your contract of employment and be a dismissable action.
Lying in order to defame the character of someone is the crime of slander (when spoken) or libel (when written).
A public official who knowingly lies in order to deceive the public or influence policy may be guilty of public malfeasance.
Also freedom of speech does not in any way protect one from the consequences of lying. If someone is known to be a habitual lier, then it is most likely that they will lose the trust of others, be regarded as undesirable to employ etc.
In the case of the OP, a serving politician saying that it's okay for him to lie because he is not actually breaking the law? How is it ever possible to believe anything that this man ever says again? He clearly has no regard for the position of trust that he holds as a public servant. He is not just lying, but also admitting he is lying, and saying "yah boo sucks, I can lie as much as I want, it's technically not illegal, I don't give a shit about being trustworthy". This man brings his position as an MP (or is it even cabinet member, PM?) into disrespect, reflects badly upon his party, and damages the standing of the country.
Lying has become a cancer at the heart of politics. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Free speech does include the freedom to lie. However all this means is that it is not against the LAW OF THE COUNTRY to say such things. There are many situations where the right to free speech is overridden by other legal obligations.
Lying while giving evidence at a trial for instance is the crime of perjury, free speech is not a defense. Knowingly lying to your employer may well break your contract of employment and be a dismissable action.
Lying in order to defame the character of someone is the crime of slander (when spoken) or libel (when written).
A public official who knowingly lies in order to deceive the public or influence policy may be guilty of public malfeasance.
Also freedom of speech does not in any way protect one from the consequences of lying. If someone is known to be a habitual lier, then it is most likely that they will lose the trust of others, be regarded as undesirable to employ etc.
In the case of the OP, a serving politician saying that it's okay for him to lie because he is not actually breaking the law? How is it ever possible to believe anything that this man ever says again? He clearly has no regard for the position of trust that he holds as a public servant. He is not just lying, but also admitting he is lying, and saying "yah boo sucks, I can lie as much as I want, it's technically not illegal, I don't give a shit about being trustworthy". This man brings his position as an MP (or is it even cabinet member, PM?) into disrespect, reflects badly upon his party, and damages the standing of the country.
Lying has become a cancer at the heart of politics."
You presume I'm on about a man  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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But yes, while lying in many instances isn't illegal I was actually surprised they had the gaul to say in an interview that they basically can lie because they have freedom of speech.
That's how low our political system has become as the interviewer didn't even pick up on it or just didn't bother to press it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Yes, it does. It also affords us the chance to call the liars out.
The real problem is the people who are so stupid they believe the lies. They empower the liars."
That is so very true  |
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