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"So we know it’s at least 9 months because he had the other contempt case suspended sentence .. so how much do you think this judge tacks on Because he isn’t a first time offender " He should be given the maximum sentence of 2 years, the man is a parasite | |||
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"I have a sneaky suspicion he may get off with time served. " the last judge tacked on 10 months... i think there is zero chance of him getting off lightly after what lady judge said in court...... | |||
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"Hes a wee nobody just a racist bigot hope he gets as long as possible" Can you please give an actual example of Racism by TR? Or are you just repeating what someone else has told you? Genuine question, I've never seen it. He'll definitely go to jail but isn't this a first time offence of exposing those racist pedophile gang rapists right?  | |||
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"Hes a wee nobody just a racist bigot hope he gets as long as possible Can you please give an actual example of Racism by TR? Or are you just repeating what someone else has told you? Genuine question, I've never seen it. He'll definitely go to jail but isn't this a first time offence of exposing those racist pedophile gang r@pists right? "https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tommy-robinson-video-drugs-cocaine-islam-far-right-israel-palestine-edl-a8776991.html “I'd personally send every adult male Muslim that has come into the EU over the past 12 months back if I could. Fake refugees.” “Islam is fascist and it's violent and we've had enough.” “Every single Muslim watching this…on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens, you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end…and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again.” “In the next five years it's all going to come to a head.” “Take in a Syrian refugee, I hope you don't get r@ped.” “Mo Farah, the first time I heard Mo Farah come out he said he's said he's made to feel like an alien. No Mo, it's because the people from your home country Somalia are backward barbarians!” “Where are the men, the English people. (London) it’s not an English city any more anyway.” “His country, his capital. It's not your country or your capital. You're part of an invasion into our country Sadiq.” (Sadiq Khan, London's Mayor, born in Tooting, South London). “Let's not pretend we're importing people from Iceland, we're not, we're importing barbarians.” He "exposed" r@pists by filming them at their trial? Explain. | |||
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" He'll definitely go to jail but isn't this a first time offence of exposing those racist pedophile gang rapists right? "I can answer this one.... actually this isn't a first time offence for this... he was found guilty of "contempt of court" for doing the same thing at a trial at canterbury crown court... hence the "suspended sentence" from that case will now be envoked he was explicitly warned by that judge that if he did it again, he would likely end up in jail... the question is now how much will they tack on for the leeds court case now that he isn't a first time offender.... | |||
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As to TR exposing r**e gangs. It is on public record that police knew of the practice of the organised racist r**e of young white girls by Muslim gangs, for over 12 yrs before eventually being exposed and forced to act on this hate crime.
This is a fact of the country we live in. But it's TR that's the racist right? | |||
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"But it's TR that's the racist right? "Yes, see the thing is, BOTH can be racist. You know the old saying right? Two wrongs don't make a right. | |||
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"Where do you stand on cutting the clit out of young girls and sewing up their vaginas? I'd best not comment or probably I'll be branded a racist for criticism their beliefs? "see.... I am going to look at this from a legal issue... followers of tommy aren't going to like what i am about to say, but I think it needs to be said in context the reason why there were reporting restrictions in place were that there was 3 different trials going on at the same time, and because they were in effect interlinked because it involved the same groups of abused victims..... no what tommy did was no only put 1 trial in jeopardy with his stupid actions but put into jeopardy 3 cases.. of which mistrials could have been called in all of them.... people like to think tommy is the victim here.... no, the survivors of the sexual abuse are the TRUE victims here, he almost caused them to have to go thru the agony of trials twice! having to be cross examined twice.... going thru jury decisions twice every other member of the press respected the reporting restrictions, one person thought he was above the law! he wasn't... he was warned, he didn't listen, he did it again, he got punished! | |||
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"But it's TR that's the racist right?
Yes, see the thing is, BOTH can be racist. You know the old saying right? Two wrongs don't make a right."But surely there are decrees of wrong. Lets be clear....... TR (from what I saw) asked some Muslims why they r**e young white girls. Where as the Muslims, conspired to transported, drug and identify young vulnerable white children in order for them and others to r**e, abuse and sell for decades. Two wrongs?  | |||
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" I'm assuming that the Judge won't care about any public backlash, should he be given an appropriate 2 years. It's just a pity that his assets and income streams that have help to fund his actions, that endangered UK justice, can't be seized or remain as a debt to the country, if they've disappeared from bank accounts etc." Haaaaaa do you feel the same as the r**e gangs assets. Should their taxis, shops, benefits be taken to help compensate the r*ped children? Why not mention that? | |||
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"But it's TR that's the racist right?
Yes, see the thing is, BOTH can be racist. You know the old saying right? Two wrongs don't make a right.
But surely there are decrees of wrong.
Lets be clear.......
TR (from what I saw) asked some Muslims why they r**e young white girls.
Where as the Muslims, conspired to transported, drug and identify young vulnerable white children in order for them and others to r**e, abuse and sell for decades.
Two wrongs? "Anyone who is involved in the grooming and r@ping of anyone is scum and deserves the full extent of the law. And its because of this, anyone who puts at risk the successfyl prosecution and sentencing of this scum should also feel the law. To me condemning the two wrongs are entirely consistent views. It's when I see people attack tje grooming gangs yet somehow defend Tommy I struggle. | |||
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"If not for Tommy and others like him , we would be left in the dark about it,that what you want is it , not if it was one of your daughters ." Absolute nonsense. Do you think Yaxley-Lemon was out doing detective work catching these guys himself? All he's ever done is get in the way of the legal process and jeopardise putting the accused paedophiles away. | |||
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"If not for Tommy and others like him , we would be left in the dark about it,that what you want is it , not if it was one of your daughters ." If he was so instrumental in bringing them to court you'd think he'd be the last one who'd want to do some crazy PR stunt and put all the hard work at risk... | |||
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"As always you miss the point " Then explain it. In my mind he could have fucked the trial up. That's a bad thing. He could have been the main reason they were at court, but that doesn't stop what he did being stupid. And his stupidity could have let them walk free. Free to do it again. | |||
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"As always you miss the point Then explain it. In my mind he could have fucked the trial up. That's a bad thing. He could have been the main reason they were at court, but that doesn't stop what he did being stupid. And his stupidity could have let them walk free. Free to do it again. " And not just free to do it again, but free to do it with impunity as there would be little chance of conviction for any future offences. It's almost as if he wanted the justice system to have to set these men free, so that he could rabble rouse about "the government" failing to protect "our (white) daughters". Then tommy could ride to the rescue and have his thugs start vigilante action... I suspect that lemon is actually more stupid than calculating, but I'm pretty sure that some of his backers would have been delighted if it had gone that way. | |||
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"If not for Tommy and others like him , we would be left in the dark about it,that what you want is it , not if it was one of your daughters ." thats rubbish for 2 reasons.... 1) if he was that influenial then wouldn't they have called him up as some sort of expert witness... 2) as soon as the reporting restrictions were lifted, everyone reported on the 3 cases and his actions.... so lets turn the question around.... if this had been your daughter (since you were being emotive) and the actions of tommy meant they had to actions of trials twice... or even worse meaning couldn't prosecute again.... how would you feel then....? | |||
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" if this had been your daughter (since you were being emotive) and the actions of tommy meant they had to actions of trials twice... or even worse meaning couldn't prosecute again.... how would you feel then....?" Hahaha, what don't you understand? The fucking Police knew this was going on all over the country. And they knew it for a decade. And they chose to do fuck all about it. Now why do you suspect they would do that????? I'll let you guess their reasons before I tell you. | |||
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"I suggest you read Kate Aide twiiter for the answer,to see what i mean. Someone that knows.rather than just jumping on the hate tommy band wagon with everyone else, seems a modern trend to be a sheep " Am I beconing too cynical... But I expected her to be verified... | |||
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"@thekateadie More Interested to hear views on the Tommy Robinson case. While I’m not a fan by any means, I do feel quite uncomfortable about this case as I and most of my colleagues have done exactly what he has done with no repercussions. Is there an agenda? id trust her view over a load of sheep " No tick tho. Suspicion is this is a fake account... | |||
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"@thekateadie More Interested to hear views on the Tommy Robinson case. While I’m not a fan by any means, I do feel quite uncomfortable about this case as I and most of my colleagues have done exactly what he has done with no repercussions. Is there an agenda? id trust her view over a load of sheep No tick tho. Suspicion is this is a fake account..." No im real | |||
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" if this had been your daughter (since you were being emotive) and the actions of tommy meant they had to actions of trials twice... or even worse meaning couldn't prosecute again.... how would you feel then....? Hahaha, what don't you understand? The fucking Police knew this was going on all over the country. And they knew it for a decade. And they chose to do fuck all about it. Now why do you suspect they would do that????? I'll let you guess their reasons before I tell you. "see... here's what you don't seem to understand (since you were trying to be condescending) the actions of tommy didn't force the CPS in prosecutions, the actions of tommy Hindered a prosecution that was in the midst of taking place at that time..... if there was no prosecution happening tommy would have had nothing to report on.... geez....... | |||
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"I suggest you read Kate Aide twiiter for the answer,to see what i mean. Someone that knows.rather than just jumping on the hate tommy band wagon with everyone else, seems a modern trend to be a sheep " actually.... if i was going to follow the legal opinions of someone on twitter, you might want to follow "the secret barrister".... he looked at the original decision and how they came to it... and explains why (spoiler.... doesn't agree with you)  | |||
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"@thekateadie More Interested to hear views on the Tommy Robinson case. While I’m not a fan by any means, I do feel quite uncomfortable about this case as I and most of my colleagues have done exactly what he has done with no repercussions. Is there an agenda? id trust her view over a load of sheep No tick tho. Suspicion is this is a fake account..." the "kate aide" one is a known fake account.... lol | |||
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"@thekateadie More Interested to hear views on the Tommy Robinson case. While I’m not a fan by any means, I do feel quite uncomfortable about this case as I and most of my colleagues have done exactly what he has done with no repercussions. Is there an agenda? id trust her view over a load of sheep " You have been duped | |||
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"Maybe someone can set me straight on this because I genuinely am unsure..... Weren't the gang already tried and convicted of the grooming, r@pe, torture and pimping of the children. and what Tommy the tit (girlfriend beating, football hooligan) Robinson did was to live stream them on their way to court for sentence? I'm no legal expert but how could it have jeopardised the trial if the convictions were already settled? Also what happened to press reporting restrictions and the huge numbers of people gathered outside the courts before, during and after cases such as the Guildford 4, Birmingham 6 and Maguire 7 cases? There were people chanting for the death penalty back then. Maybe laws have changed since back in the 70s....like I say... I'm no legal expert " There were multiple trials ongoing that were interlinked. Reporting on the decision of this one could have been prejudicial to the decision of the jury in the other cases. If those cases had collapsed it would have opened up appeals for the first one. Yaxley Lennon's actions nearly allowed all of the gangs to walk free and be untouchable. He knew there were reporting restrictions, he knew the reason why, he had been warned by a judge. He was deliberately taking actions that could have fucked up the prosecutions. | |||
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"Maybe someone can set me straight on this because I genuinely am unsure..... Weren't the gang already tried and convicted of the grooming, r@pe, torture and pimping of the children. and what Tommy the tit (girlfriend beating, football hooligan) Robinson did was to live stream them on their way to court for sentence? I'm no legal expert but how could it have jeopardised the trial if the convictions were already settled? Also what happened to press reporting restrictions and the huge numbers of people gathered outside the courts before, during and after cases such as the Guildford 4, Birmingham 6 and Maguire 7 cases? There were people chanting for the death penalty back then. Maybe laws have changed since back in the 70s....like I say... I'm no legal expert " Interesting point, I was looking further into the back history on this particular case and was thinking the same things. Perhaps it's because it's this guy Tommy Robinson, he's public enemy number 1. | |||
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"Perhaps it's because it's this guy Tommy Robinson, he's public enemy number 1." It's literally explained right above you! Does being a fan of "arrr Tommeh" make people blind to that? | |||
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"Maybe someone can set me straight on this because I genuinely am unsure..... Weren't the gang already tried and convicted of the grooming, r@pe, torture and pimping of the children. and what Tommy the tit (girlfriend beating, football hooligan) Robinson did was to live stream them on their way to court for sentence? I'm no legal expert but how could it have jeopardised the trial if the convictions were already settled? Also what happened to press reporting restrictions and the huge numbers of people gathered outside the courts before, during and after cases such as the Guildford 4, Birmingham 6 and Maguire 7 cases? There were people chanting for the death penalty back then. Maybe laws have changed since back in the 70s....like I say... I'm no legal expert Interesting point, I was looking further into the back history on this particular case and was thinking the same things. Perhaps it's because it's this guy Tommy Robinson, he's public enemy number 1." Guilford 4 , Birmingham 6 & the Maguire 7 had had 1 ( or more ) from each group tortured into confessions by the police. There had been no need for reporting restrictions as the court & Judges would have seen Confessions of guilt as job done & therefore no need for reporting restrictions. | |||
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"I suggest you read Kate Aide twiiter for the answer,to see what i mean. Someone that knows.rather than just jumping on the hate tommy band wagon with everyone else, seems a modern trend to be a sheep actually.... if i was going to follow the legal opinions of someone on twitter, you might want to follow "the secret barrister".... he looked at the original decision and how they came to it... and explains why (spoiler.... doesn't agree with you) "And you consider an anonymous "secret barrister" (by your own admission) as a credible source ?? | |||
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"Maybe someone can set me straight on this because I genuinely am unsure..... Weren't the gang already tried and convicted of the grooming, r@pe, torture and pimping of the children. and what Tommy the tit (girlfriend beating, football hooligan) Robinson did was to live stream them on their way to court for sentence? I'm no legal expert but how could it have jeopardised the trial if the convictions were already settled? Also what happened to press reporting restrictions and the huge numbers of people gathered outside the courts before, during and after cases such as the Guildford 4, Birmingham 6 and Maguire 7 cases? There were people chanting for the death penalty back then. Maybe laws have changed since back in the 70s....like I say... I'm no legal expert There were multiple trials ongoing that were interlinked. Reporting on the decision of this one could have been prejudicial to the decision of the jury in the other cases. If those cases had collapsed it would have opened up appeals for the first one. Yaxley Lennon's actions nearly allowed all of the gangs to walk free and be untouchable. He knew there were reporting restrictions, he knew the reason why, he had been warned by a judge. He was deliberately taking actions that could have fucked up the prosecutions." Seeing as you quite rightly believe in the rule of law - I assume you would also agree that the journalists harassing Tommy Robinson on his way to court should face equal punishment ? Or you could have an attitude similar to those of the Nazi Party circa 1938 ? | |||
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"Maybe someone can set me straight on this because I genuinely am unsure..... Weren't the gang already tried and convicted of the grooming, r@pe, torture and pimping of the children. and what Tommy the tit (girlfriend beating, football hooligan) Robinson did was to live stream them on their way to court for sentence? I'm no legal expert but how could it have jeopardised the trial if the convictions were already settled? Also what happened to press reporting restrictions and the huge numbers of people gathered outside the courts before, during and after cases such as the Guildford 4, Birmingham 6 and Maguire 7 cases? There were people chanting for the death penalty back then. Maybe laws have changed since back in the 70s....like I say... I'm no legal expert There were multiple trials ongoing that were interlinked. Reporting on the decision of this one could have been prejudicial to the decision of the jury in the other cases. If those cases had collapsed it would have opened up appeals for the first one. Yaxley Lennon's actions nearly allowed all of the gangs to walk free and be untouchable. He knew there were reporting restrictions, he knew the reason why, he had been warned by a judge. He was deliberately taking actions that could have fucked up the prosecutions. Seeing as you quite rightly believe in the rule of law - I assume you would also agree that the journalists harassing Tommy Robinson on his way to court should face equal punishment ? Or you could have an attitude similar to those of the Nazi Party circa 1938 ? " equal punishment... But only if this was contempt... And could have allowed a load of rapist to go free. Sound fair? | |||
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" Seeing as you quite rightly believe in the rule of law - I assume you would also agree that the journalists harassing Tommy Robinson on his way to court should face equal punishment ? Or you could have an attitude similar to those of the Nazi Party circa 1938 ? " oh so thats where we are going.... one little point though.... when did we find about the "contempt of court" judgement in the leeds tommy robinson case... it was only after the 3 trials had finished and Reporting restrictions had been lifted on the initial cases! so it seems like everyone honoured the "reporting restrictions" except one person...... who was????
the legitimate press held up there end until the very end... | |||
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"Errrrrrmmmmmmmm ohhhhhhh so criticism of what you believe is racist. So to criticise a Nazi would be racist to Germans right? Isn't it a fact that if you import third world culture and beliefs into a liberal advanced culture r**e and sexual assault increases. Take Sweden for example, a very welcoming country to refugees, wouldn't you agree? Last year 60% of all r***s were carried out by foreign born perpetrators. They account for 10% of the population. Is this fact racist?
As to TR exposing r**e gangs. It is on public record that police knew of the practice of the organised racist r**e of young white girls by Muslim gangs, for over 12 yrs before eventually being exposed and forced to act on this hate crime.
This is a fact of the country we live in. But it's TR that's the racist right? "tomeh is exposing no one all he is doing is popping up at a trial of the rapist gangs that have already been "exposed " charged and brought before the courts for thier crimes that would duly opon conviction be exposed far and wide by the msm of this country . he isnt protecting or exposing anybody just tacking his anti brown people agenda onto what is already known the person who set the ball rolling re asian grooming gangs was the head of Rochdale cps indecently hes a muslim | |||
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"I thought he had already served time for this last year ??" They released him on a technicality pending a retrial. I assume what he has already served will be taken off his sentence. | |||
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"Everybody's got there opinions that's fine but can someone show me where Tommy has been racist please " This was asked before. Here's the answer again: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tommy-robinson-video-drugs-cocaine-islam-far-right-israel-palestine-edl-a8776991.html “I'd personally send every adult male Muslim that has come into the EU over the past 12 months back if I could. Fake refugees.” “Islam is fascist and it's violent and we've had enough.” “Every single Muslim watching this…on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens, you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end…and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again.” “In the next five years it's all going to come to a head.” “Take in a Syrian refugee, I hope you don't get r@ped.” “Mo Farah, the first time I heard Mo Farah come out he said he's said he's made to feel like an alien. No Mo, it's because the people from your home country Somalia are backward barbarians!” “Where are the men, the English people. (London) it’s not an English city any more anyway.” “His country, his capital. It's not your country or your capital. You're part of an invasion into our country Sadiq.” (Sadiq Khan, London's Mayor, born in Tooting, South London). “Let's not pretend we're importing people from Iceland, we're not, we're importing barbarians.” | |||
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"I thought he had already served time for this last year ?? They released him on a technicality pending a retrial. I assume what he has already served will be taken off his sentence." he only ended up serving 10 days i think.... but yes that would be knocked off whatever he gets tomorrow.... | |||
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" but yes that would be knocked off whatever he gets tomorrow...." Would it? Surely suspended sentences by their nature do not take into account time served or time served would be removed from the sentence or the suspension at time of sentencing. Maybe a legally qualified forumite will clear this up... | |||
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" I'm assuming that the Judge won't care about any public backlash, should he be given an appropriate 2 years. It's just a pity that his assets and income streams that have help to fund his actions, that endangered UK justice, can't be seized or remain as a debt to the country, if they've disappeared from bank accounts etc. Haaaaaa do you feel the same as the r**e gangs assets. Should their taxis, shops, benefits be taken to help compensate the r*ped children? Why not mention that? "You were short on detail. I'm generally of the view that victims should get fuller compensation, that Judges don't impose enough asset taking and that those who seek to circumvent the law, jeopardising trials that impose heavily upon victims who have been savaged emotionally and otherwise, should pay heavily. This man is a pawn, albeit someone with knowledge of what he is doing, but has had high levels of money fl o w to him, partly for what he's doing. The money would be better spent on victim support via conventional channels | |||
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"I think that the condemnation of the child abusers is a given. Also sympathy and good wishes to the victims is also a given. Robinson could've fucked up a lengthy and expensive trial by throwing up a 'get off with a technicality' scenario which would've been a disaster. That said.... I would never call for him to be silenced within the law. I don't hate or support Robinson but when he jeopardises the rule of law then he should be held to acount like I hope anyone else in a similar situation would be. This saga has only made him a martar in the eyes of some.... Good for him but unhelpful for the people trying to silence and further vilify him" I'm of a similar persuasion, I like to get the facts before I comment , and I've watched the video in question several times . All Tommy asked was " how do you feel about your sentencing " . If that is illegal ( I dont know btw) then fair enough , but 2 years prison time , come on !!. Watch when Tommy goes to court on Friday for sentencing ( exactly the same thing) and see the reporters asking him !! And let's see how many of them are brought up on the same charges ?? | |||
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"What I've garnered from this thread so far , is that everyone blindly hates Tommy , and almost nobody has shown any sympathy towards the victims of these sick fucks !! There is no place for this kinda shit in today's society , and I hope they all get assfucked with sharp blades , perverted cunts !! And yes , i do know what Tommy did , I've seen the video . There is no comparison between the two acts. " What I read is everyone wants the sick fucker to serve time. The 'blind hatred' is a reaction to someone who could have prevented justice being served. Is it blind love of Tommy (or maybe his views) that means people are okay with him risking this happening? I find it odd. And for the record, I don't really give two hoots about him. | |||
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"I'm still trying to work out how this contempt of court thing works. There's been plenty of journalists and media that break these rules regularly, but nothing happens to them. The charges are all pretty flimsy too. Look at the baying mobs that hurl abuse at defendants outside courts, that happens daily. In this particular case, I must be watching different videos, as Robinson wasn't abusive at all, he was also filming in a public space, the context was also misinterpreted, as he was talking about media harrasement not his fan base. Everything these days is taken out of context. It's very disturbing. There's been plenty of out of context cases lately as well, like the sir Roger Scruton character assassination. What is more important, stopping the abuse of girls and young vulnerable women and highlighting these abuses or going after a solitary figure that does expose certain issues within communities. Let's not forget, social services, local government, police and msm ignored these abuses for years if not decades. Why? Let's also not forget that a certain national broadcaster ignored abuse within its own employees. Who's the bad guy in all this? I'm no fan of Robinson, he gets animated, comes across as non professional and is too eager without thinking of consequence, but he's certainly passionate about issues. It's very easy to call him a racist, but anyone who has a different view to anything that is Liberal or progressive is deemed racist, a fascist or a nazi these days. From where I am standing it's easy for some to take the moral high ground and shout the loudest, of course it drowns out all the background noise. When in fact healthy debate is needed on a lot of issues from all areas. Not burying your heads in the sand. Issues should be tackled and dealt with as they arise, not let them fester like they have for years. The issue here being gangs of abusive men, what ever colour or creed they are. It needs to stop. Highlighting these abuses sends a warning, if you do it, you will be found out, exposed and prosecuted. " A very thoughtful post , I would agree with you on all points  | |||
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"What I've garnered from this thread so far , is that everyone blindly hates Tommy , and almost nobody has shown any sympathy towards the victims of these sick fucks !! There is no place for this kinda shit in today's society , and I hope they all get assfucked with sharp blades , perverted cunts !! And yes , i do know what Tommy did , I've seen the video . There is no comparison between the two acts. What I read is everyone wants the sick fucker to serve time. The 'blind hatred' is a reaction to someone who could have prevented justice being served. Is it blind love of Tommy (or maybe his views) that means people are okay with him risking this happening? I find it odd. And for the record, I don't really give two hoots about him. " I dont hate the guy , I wouldnt give my hard earned cash , but some of his ideas and issues have been ignored and arent spoken about enough due to fears of being branded racist . I think hes brave , but it probably lead to his demise sooner rather than later . | |||
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"I think that the condemnation of the child abusers is a given. Also sympathy and good wishes to the victims is also a given. Robinson could've fucked up a lengthy and expensive trial by throwing up a 'get off with a technicality' scenario which would've been a disaster. That said.... I would never call for him to be silenced within the law. I don't hate or support Robinson but when he jeopardises the rule of law then he should be held to acount like I hope anyone else in a similar situation would be. This saga has only made him a martar in the eyes of some.... Good for him but unhelpful for the people trying to silence and further vilify him I'm of a similar persuasion, I like to get the facts before I comment , and I've watched the video in question several times . All Tommy asked was " how do you feel about your sentencing " . If that is illegal ( I dont know btw) then fair enough , but 2 years prison time , come on !!. Watch when Tommy goes to court on Friday for sentencing ( exactly the same thing) and see the reporters asking him !! And let's see how many of them are brought up on the same charges ??" Why would they? There are not any reporting restrictions in place. Why can the Robinson fanboys not actually understand what he has done? Reporting restrictions are always in place for good reason - but Robinson chose to ignore them and in doing so risked the collapse of other linked trials that included some of (and more) Defendants and some of (and more) Victims. You cannot condone Robinson for acting in the public interest if his actions risked allowing some of the Defendants and other Defendants to get away with their actions because of a mistrial. He acted like a dickhead and he is going to get his comeuppance - no one is above the law and he ought to be apologising to the victims because he could so easily have made their torment much, much worse. | |||
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"I'm still trying to work out how this contempt of court thing works. There's been plenty of journalists and media that break these rules regularly, but nothing happens to them. The charges are all pretty flimsy too. Look at the baying mobs that hurl abuse at defendants outside courts, that happens daily. In this particular case, I must be watching different videos, as Robinson wasn't abusive at all, he was also filming in a public space, the context was also misinterpreted, as he was talking about media harrasement not his fan base. Everything these days is taken out of context. It's very disturbing. There's been plenty of out of context cases lately as well, like the sir Roger Scruton character assassination. What is more important, stopping the abuse of girls and young vulnerable women and highlighting these abuses or going after a solitary figure that does expose certain issues within communities. Let's not forget, social services, local government, police and msm ignored these abuses for years if not decades. Why? Let's also not forget that a certain national broadcaster ignored abuse within its own employees. Who's the bad guy in all this? I'm no fan of Robinson, he gets animated, comes across as non professional and is too eager without thinking of consequence, but he's certainly passionate about issues. It's very easy to call him a racist, but anyone who has a different view to anything that is Liberal or progressive is deemed racist, a fascist or a nazi these days. From where I am standing it's easy for some to take the moral high ground and shout the loudest, of course it drowns out all the background noise. When in fact healthy debate is needed on a lot of issues from all areas. Not burying your heads in the sand. Issues should be tackled and dealt with as they arise, not let them fester like they have for years. The issue here being gangs of abusive men, what ever colour or creed they are. It needs to stop. Highlighting these abuses sends a warning, if you do it, you will be found out, exposed and prosecuted. " If his conviction is unsafe then it can be appealed, although I am not sure if that's been exhausted already.. Pretty sure if his legal team thought the law was applied wrong ly then they would have raised that so I think it's fair to assume the merits of the case are not in question.. Using examples of baying mobs is irrelevant in his case, he was tried on the evidence of what he specifically put on social media which broke the judges ruling at the start of the case and I suspect he knew full well that he was in the wrong but went ahead anyway.. On the last point there has not been a case in my memory that wasn't reported fully when the perpetrators were rightly convicted again often as per a court ruling.. And yes abuse should be given more attention, more resources in all the areas that may allow professionals and people to spot something but those services have been cut to the bone.. Lastly, the plain fact that can't be ignored is that Robinson is only interested in highlighting abuse by none whites and in particular if the victims have been abused by those of the Muslim faith.. He has never shown any concern over the abuse of victims by people who share his own skin colour.. His sole aim in my opinion is to use the victims as a means to stir up hatred for one group of people only and in doing so further create divisions.. | |||
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"I think that the condemnation of the child abusers is a given. Also sympathy and good wishes to the victims is also a given. Robinson could've fucked up a lengthy and expensive trial by throwing up a 'get off with a technicality' scenario which would've been a disaster. That said.... I would never call for him to be silenced within the law. I don't hate or support Robinson but when he jeopardises the rule of law then he should be held to acount like I hope anyone else in a similar situation would be. This saga has only made him a martar in the eyes of some.... Good for him but unhelpful for the people trying to silence and further vilify him I'm of a similar persuasion, I like to get the facts before I comment , and I've watched the video in question several times . All Tommy asked was " how do you feel about your sentencing " . If that is illegal ( I dont know btw) then fair enough , but 2 years prison time , come on !!. Watch when Tommy goes to court on Friday for sentencing ( exactly the same thing) and see the reporters asking him !! And let's see how many of them are brought up on the same charges ?? Why would they? There are not any reporting restrictions in place. Why can the Robinson fanboys not actually understand what he has done? Reporting restrictions are always in place for good reason - but Robinson chose to ignore them and in doing so risked the collapse of other linked trials that included some of (and more) Defendants and some of (and more) Victims. You cannot condone Robinson for acting in the public interest if his actions risked allowing some of the Defendants and other Defendants to get away with their actions because of a mistrial. He acted like a dickhead and he is going to get his comeuppance - no one is above the law and he ought to be apologising to the victims because he could so easily have made their torment much, much worse." This.. One of the convicted paedophile registered an appeal on his sentence purely down to Robinsons actions during the trial which was thrown out.. | |||
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"6 months for leeds... plus 3 months that was suspended for canterbury... minus time served... which will be 138 days... so he has getting 19 weeks... of which he will served at least half.... no time taken off for pleading guilty or showing remorse..." But will he learn from it? | |||
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"6 months for leeds... plus 3 months that was suspended for canterbury... minus time served... which will be 138 days... so he has getting 19 weeks... of which he will served at least half.... no time taken off for pleading guilty or showing remorse..." I suspect remorse isn't really considered if you have a suspended and basically did it again. | |||
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"Today is the 24 th anniversary of the Srebrenica massacre. 33 newly-discovered victims will be buried. I am in Sarajevo. I went to the Museum of Crimes Against Humanity and Genocide. 120,000 people lost their lives when one group decided to rid their land of people they considered inferior. Robinson and his chums are advocates of ethnic cleansing. Driven by a hatred of an ethnic group they consider vermin. Society, in the form of the legal system, needs to send a powerful message to those who, if left unchecked, will sink to extraordinary depths to remove those they disapprove of." Are you seriously comparing the two . Really ?? | |||
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"I'm still trying to work out how this contempt of court thing works. There's been plenty of journalists and media that break these rules regularly, but nothing happens to them. The charges are all pretty flimsy too. Look at the baying mobs that hurl abuse at defendants outside courts, that happens daily. In this particular case, I must be watching different videos, as Robinson wasn't abusive at all, he was also filming in a public space, the context was also misinterpreted, as he was talking about media harrasement not his fan base. Everything these days is taken out of context. It's very disturbing. There's been plenty of out of context cases lately as well, like the sir Roger Scruton character assassination. What is more important, stopping the abuse of girls and young vulnerable women and highlighting these abuses or going after a solitary figure that does expose certain issues within communities. Let's not forget, social services, local government, police and msm ignored these abuses for years if not decades. Why? Let's also not forget that a certain national broadcaster ignored abuse within its own employees. Who's the bad guy in all this? I'm no fan of Robinson, he gets animated, comes across as non professional and is too eager without thinking of consequence, but he's certainly passionate about issues. It's very easy to call him a racist, but anyone who has a different view to anything that is Liberal or progressive is deemed racist, a fascist or a nazi these days. From where I am standing it's easy for some to take the moral high ground and shout the loudest, of course it drowns out all the background noise. When in fact healthy debate is needed on a lot of issues from all areas. Not burying your heads in the sand. Issues should be tackled and dealt with as they arise, not let them fester like they have for years. The issue here being gangs of abusive men, what ever colour or creed they are. It needs to stop. Highlighting these abuses sends a warning, if you do it, you will be found out, exposed and prosecuted. A very thoughtful post , I would agree with you on all points "Seconded! | |||
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"Yes, I am. How do you think the Nazis started? It did not begin with gas chambers? How do you think the Bosnian Serbs started? It did not begin with mass executions. It begins with the demonisation and de-humanisation of those you are targeting. Hitler did it to the Jews, Milosevic did it to the "turks" in Bosnia. Gradually, the public becomes immune to their suffering and those with real hatred in their blood become emboldened. Robinson and chums perceive muslims to be some sort of cancer eating at the soul of England. Just as Hitler and Milosevic did before. For ten years or more, all the wrongs of this country have been pinned on the EU. Fast forward ten years, all the wrongs are still with us, but we cannot blame the EU and Britain had disintegrated along ethnic lines. Who will we blame then?" For starters he does not hate Muslims , or Jews , or anyone else . He disagrees with the teachings of the Koran , which lead certain Islamic followers to believe it's ok to do barbaric acts . I cant be arsed to explain any more because I've had to say this 100s of times to hundreds of different people who all blindly say the same stuff they read every time . Nothing personal it really isnt , i just get frustrated that people dont research his work thoroughly. | |||
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"Robinson is funded by wealthy Americans with extreme right-wing views who see Islam as a threat both to Europe and Israel." It is THE single biggest threat in the world today ffs! | |||
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"Hitler said he did not hate Jews. In fact, in his early days, he presented himself as a Zionist and said he wanted to help Jews in Germany move to a Jewish homeland. Some people fell for that, too." That's irrelevant, please dont compare the two . You even know that's wrong !! | |||
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"Robinson is funded by wealthy Americans with extreme right-wing views who see Islam as a threat both to Europe and Israel. It is THE single biggest threat in the world today ffs! " I wouldnt go that far , we will never become a Sharia state . | |||
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"Robinson is funded by wealthy Americans with extreme right-wing views who see Islam as a threat both to Europe and Israel. It is THE single biggest threat in the world today ffs! " What are you afraid of? | |||
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"After reading this post and once again seeing the old "racist" card played over and over again it astonishes me at just how gullible and brainwashed by the media some people have become, its a sad reflection on the state of society and the "politics" of this once great nation "...err but Tommy's playing the race card | |||
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"Hitler said he did not hate Jews. In fact, in his early days, he presented himself as a Zionist and said he wanted to help Jews in Germany move to a Jewish homeland. Some people fell for that, too." You are Ken Livingstone and I claim my prize | |||
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"Robinson is funded by wealthy Americans with extreme right-wing views who see Islam as a threat both to Europe and Israel. It is THE single biggest threat in the world today ffs! " which one.... because in most of the western world at the moment there are more cases or white nationalist terrorism than there is islamic terrorism... so which is the greater threat at the moment? | |||
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"Yes, I am. How do you think the Nazis started? It did not begin with gas chambers? How do you think the Bosnian Serbs started? It did not begin with mass executions. It begins with the demonisation and de-humanisation of those you are targeting. Hitler did it to the Jews, Milosevic did it to the "turks" in Bosnia. Gradually, the public becomes immune to their suffering and those with real hatred in their blood become emboldened. Robinson and chums perceive muslims to be some sort of cancer eating at the soul of England. Just as Hitler and Milosevic did before. For ten years or more, all the wrongs of this country have been pinned on the EU. Fast forward ten years, all the wrongs are still with us, but we cannot blame the EU and Britain had disintegrated along ethnic lines. Who will we blame then?" The Nazis started the same way as the labour party | |||
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"Yes, I am. How do you think the Nazis started? It did not begin with gas chambers? How do you think the Bosnian Serbs started? It did not begin with mass executions. It begins with the demonisation and de-humanisation of those you are targeting. Hitler did it to the Jews, Milosevic did it to the "turks" in Bosnia. Gradually, the public becomes immune to their suffering and those with real hatred in their blood become emboldened. Robinson and chums perceive muslims to be some sort of cancer eating at the soul of England. Just as Hitler and Milosevic did before. For ten years or more, all the wrongs of this country have been pinned on the EU. Fast forward ten years, all the wrongs are still with us, but we cannot blame the EU and Britain had disintegrated along ethnic lines. Who will we blame then?" The Nazis started the same way as the labour party | |||
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"Hitler said he did not hate Jews. In fact, in his early days, he presented himself as a Zionist and said he wanted to help Jews in Germany move to a Jewish homeland. Some people fell for that, too." A bit like Corbyn then  | |||
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"Robinson is funded by wealthy Americans with extreme right-wing views who see Islam as a threat both to Europe and Israel. It is THE single biggest threat in the world today ffs! which one.... because in most of the western world at the moment there are more cases or white nationalist terrorism than there is islamic terrorism... so which is the greater threat at the moment?" The terrorists who blow up planes and suicidal bombers are those who pose the greatest threat to society. We only have to look at how rigorous airport security checks are now. | |||
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"Robinson is funded by wealthy Americans with extreme right-wing views who see Islam as a threat both to Europe and Israel. It is THE single biggest threat in the world today ffs! which one.... because in most of the western world at the moment there are more cases or white nationalist terrorism than there is islamic terrorism... so which is the greater threat at the moment? The terrorists who blow up planes and suicidal bombers are those who pose the greatest threat to society. We only have to look at how rigorous airport security checks are now. " well actually since 2001, on american soil more people have died in white nationalist attacks than have in islamic attack... in fact that has been the case for each of the last 10 years... in the UK, there were more people who were arrested for crimes classed as "white nationalism" than there were for crimes classed as "islamic terror" so again... which is the greater threat? | |||
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"Robinson is funded by wealthy Americans with extreme right-wing views who see Islam as a threat both to Europe and Israel. It is THE single biggest threat in the world today ffs! which one.... because in most of the western world at the moment there are more cases or white nationalist terrorism than there is islamic terrorism... so which is the greater threat at the moment? The terrorists who blow up planes and suicidal bombers are those who pose the greatest threat to society. We only have to look at how rigorous airport security checks are now. " I firmly believe it's the Western world view that Islamm is an enemy that has created the terrorism we have today. | |||
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"Robinson is funded by wealthy Americans with extreme right-wing views who see Islam as a threat both to Europe and Israel. It is THE single biggest threat in the world today ffs! which one.... because in most of the western world at the moment there are more cases or white nationalist terrorism than there is islamic terrorism... so which is the greater threat at the moment? The terrorists who blow up planes and suicidal bombers are those who pose the greatest threat to society. We only have to look at how rigorous airport security checks are now. well actually since 2001, on american soil more people have died in white nationalist attacks than have in islamic attack... in fact that has been the case for each of the last 10 years... in the UK, there were more people who were arrested for crimes classed as "white nationalism" than there were for crimes classed as "islamic terror" so again... which is the greater threat?" In terms of scale, proven potential for loss of life and capacity to carry out that threat then who would that be? | |||
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" In terms of scale, proven potential for loss of life and capacity to carry out that threat then who would that be? " Right-wing extremist violence is a major domestic threat. According to the Anti-Defamation League’s database, it has accounted for about 73 percent of terrorist-related murders in the U.S. in the last 10 years. | |||
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" In terms of scale, proven potential for loss of life and capacity to carry out that threat then who would that be? Right-wing extremist violence is a major domestic threat. According to the Anti-Defamation League’s database, it has accounted for about 73 percent of terrorist-related murders in the U.S. in the last 10 years." My question applies to the Uk? I thought we were talking about here? | |||
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"Robinson is funded by wealthy Americans with extreme right-wing views who see Islam as a threat both to Europe and Israel. It is THE single biggest threat in the world today ffs! which one.... because in most of the western world at the moment there are more cases or white nationalist terrorism than there is islamic terrorism... so which is the greater threat at the moment? The terrorists who blow up planes and suicidal bombers are those who pose the greatest threat to society. We only have to look at how rigorous airport security checks are now. well actually since 2001, on american soil more people have died in white nationalist attacks than have in islamic attack... in fact that has been the case for each of the last 10 years... in the UK, there were more people who were arrested for crimes classed as "white nationalism" than there were for crimes classed as "islamic terror" so again... which is the greater threat?" I thought that the answer is obvious . Suicide bombers and blowing up airlines must present the greatest and most frightening threat. We also have the tube bombs and blowing up buses in London and similar atrocities in France. It is the seriousness of the crime that matters . An arrest means nothing , it might not even be a lawful arrest . | |||
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"Global warming. Obesity. Cars. Trade wars and economic decline. Id say all these will kill more people than Islamic terrorist. " The difference being that you can take steps to avoid the causes of death to which you refer, the terrorist and risk of a plane being blown up is constant | |||
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"Global warming. Obesity. Cars. Trade wars and economic decline. Id say all these will kill more people than Islamic terrorist. The difference being that you can take steps to avoid the causes of death to which you refer, the terrorist and risk of a plane being blown up is constant " Don't get in a car reduce the risk of being killed in a car . Don't get on a plane reduce the risk of it being blown up Islamic terrorist. Don't go shopping on the high st reduce the risk of the IRA blowing you up while shopping.. Don't eat meat and don't smoke and go to the gym reduce your risk of cancer. Don't lie under a coconut tree reduce the risk of death by coconut Don't go swimming reduce risk of shark attack. Fuck all those things and live your life like your not afraid... | |||
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"The purpose of terrorism is to generate irrational fear in the population at large. It's clearly working among some on this thread." Tell me about it. I’m not scared of those bed sit dwelling white nationalists for sure! | |||
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"Read in between the lines: The kid prefers being gangbanged by a bunch of unknown head to toe tattooed inmates than being milkshaked by people all over the UK; and he is ready to take more up his arse, in his quest for freeing Britain from all invaders that dare to pay taxes in British soil." He wants the real “milkshake” | |||
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"Global warming. Obesity. Cars. Trade wars and economic decline. Id say all these will kill more people than Islamic terrorist. The difference being that you can take steps to avoid the causes of death to which you refer, the terrorist and risk of a plane being blown up is constant Don't get in a car reduce the risk of being killed in a car . Don't get on a plane reduce the risk of it being blown up Islamic terrorist. Don't go shopping on the high st reduce the risk of the IRA blowing you up while shopping.. Don't eat meat and don't smoke and go to the gym reduce your risk of cancer. Don't lie under a coconut tree reduce the risk of death by coconut Don't go swimming reduce risk of shark attack. Fuck all those things and live your life like your not afraid..." Now Bob! Please don't tell me you're endorsing the use of petrol driven automobiles, air travel and meat eating?! The Lord God Al gore would be displeased to hear one of his flock blasphem like that
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"Global warming. Obesity. Cars. Trade wars and economic decline. Id say all these will kill more people than Islamic terrorist. The difference being that you can take steps to avoid the causes of death to which you refer, the terrorist and risk of a plane being blown up is constant Don't get in a car reduce the risk of being killed in a car . Don't get on a plane reduce the risk of it being blown up Islamic terrorist. Don't go shopping on the high st reduce the risk of the IRA blowing you up while shopping.. Don't eat meat and don't smoke and go to the gym reduce your risk of cancer. Don't lie under a coconut tree reduce the risk of death by coconut Don't go swimming reduce risk of shark attack. Fuck all those things and live your life like your not afraid..." | |||
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"Read in between the lines: The kid prefers being gangbanged by a bunch of unknown head to toe tattooed inmates than being milkshaked by people all over the UK; and he is ready to take more up his arse, in his quest for freeing Britain from all invaders that dare to pay taxes in British soil. He wants the real “milkshake” "Nothing wrong with that. But as a former EDL leader, he's supposed to be a macho among the machos... It is how he wants to be perceived; as someone else wrote, he wants to be seen as a martyr whilst joyfully having his arse creampied. | |||
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"Terrorism deaths in the UK are at a 50-year low. There are bound to be lots of relieved people in Manchester, probably wondering what the fuss over their dead or maimed relatives was all about. They should be grateful really "Do you think a citizen's life lost to a bomb with "Made in Ireland" on the side of it is somehow less worthy than a citizen's life lost to a bomb with "Made in ISIS" on the side of it? Both are dead. Both the victims of terrorism. Terrorism deaths in the UK are at 50-year low. | |||
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"Terrorism deaths in the UK are at a 50-year low. There are bound to be lots of relieved people in Manchester, probably wondering what the fuss over their dead or maimed relatives was all about. They should be grateful really Well said . The deaths may only be at a 50 year low because because there are very few in NI now. The risk remains very real . There have been some terrible atrocities in France recently as well .
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"Terrorism deaths in the UK are at a 50-year low. There are bound to be lots of relieved people in Manchester, probably wondering what the fuss over their dead or maimed relatives was all about. They should be grateful really Well said . The deaths may only be at a 50 year low because because there are very few in NI now. The risk remains very real . There have been some terrible atrocities in France recently as well .
I imagine most people would be pleased to learn deaths are at an all-time low.
You and others seem unable to embrace this fact.
It appears you prefer living in fear to living in safety.
I wonder why.
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"Terrorism deaths in the UK are at a 50-year low. There are bound to be lots of relieved people in Manchester, probably wondering what the fuss over their dead or maimed relatives was all about. They should be grateful really Well said . The deaths may only be at a 50 year low because because there are very few in NI now. The risk remains very real . There have been some terrible atrocities in France recently as well .
"The highest non-natural cause of death worldwide is road accidents at 2.22% The next highest is suicide at 1.42% Homicide 0.72% Drowning 0.53% Alcolism 0.33% Drugs 0.3% Fire 0.22% Conflict (2016) 0.21% Terrorism (2016) 0.06% The risk of everything else. Everything except for being a victim of a natural disaster is higher. You've given in to terrorism. You've let them defeat you. | |||
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"Terrorism deaths in the UK are at a 50-year low. There are bound to be lots of relieved people in Manchester, probably wondering what the fuss over their dead or maimed relatives was all about. They should be grateful really Well said . The deaths may only be at a 50 year low because because there are very few in NI now. The risk remains very real . There have been some terrible atrocities in France recently as well .
The highest non-natural cause of death worldwide is road accidents at 2.22%
The next highest is suicide at 1.42%
Homicide 0.72%
Drowning 0.53%
Alcolism 0.33%
Drugs 0.3%
Fire 0.22%
Conflict (2016) 0.21%
Terrorism (2016) 0.06%
The risk of everything else. Everything except for being a victim of a natural disaster is higher.
You've given in to terrorism. You've let them defeat you."This ., Perspective is everything. Refuse to live your life in fear. | |||
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"Terrorism deaths in the UK are at a 50-year low. There are bound to be lots of relieved people in Manchester, probably wondering what the fuss over their dead or maimed relatives was all about. They should be grateful really Well said . The deaths may only be at a 50 year low because because there are very few in NI now. The risk remains very real . There have been some terrible atrocities in France recently as well .
The highest non-natural cause of death worldwide is road accidents at 2.22%
The next highest is suicide at 1.42%
Homicide 0.72%
Drowning 0.53%
Alcolism 0.33%
Drugs 0.3%
Fire 0.22%
Conflict (2016) 0.21%
Terrorism (2016) 0.06%
The risk of everything else. Everything except for being a victim of a natural disaster is higher.
You've given in to terrorism. You've let them defeat you."However with most of the items on your list you can take steps to avoid. With some forms of terrorism the risk id constant and costly to avoid . No one has given in to terrorism. We would be foolish not to recognise the risks that certain terrorist organisations impose and based on events in the last 14 years recognise which terrorist group are most likely to strike again. | |||
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"Terrorism deaths in the UK are at a 50-year low. There are bound to be lots of relieved people in Manchester, probably wondering what the fuss over their dead or maimed relatives was all about. They should be grateful really
Do you think a citizen's life lost to a bomb with "Made in Ireland" on the side of it is somehow less worthy than a citizen's life lost to a bomb with "Made in ISIS" on the side of it?
Both are dead.
Both the victims of terrorism.
Terrorism deaths in the UK are at 50-year low.
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"Terrorism deaths in the UK are at a 50-year low. There are bound to be lots of relieved people in Manchester, probably wondering what the fuss over their dead or maimed relatives was all about. They should be grateful really Well said . The deaths may only be at a 50 year low because because there are very few in NI now. The risk remains very real . There have been some terrible atrocities in France recently as well .
"Yes there's risk of being killed by terrorism but I'm far far more likely to end up dead tripping down the stairs or driving to work that some terrorist attack. | |||
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"Terrorism deaths in the UK are at a 50-year low. There are bound to be lots of relieved people in Manchester, probably wondering what the fuss over their dead or maimed relatives was all about. They should be grateful really
Do you think a citizen's life lost to a bomb with "Made in Ireland" on the side of it is somehow less worthy than a citizen's life lost to a bomb with "Made in ISIS" on the side of it?
Both are dead.
Both the victims of terrorism.
Terrorism deaths in the UK are at 50-year low.
Who mentioned ISIS or the IRA? I'm talking in general. I'm not scared of ISIS, but you should be Which makes your sympathy towards them all the more baffling"Terrorist sympathiser, eh? Keep it coming, pal. Keep it coming. | |||
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"Terrorism deaths in the UK are at a 50-year low. There are bound to be lots of relieved people in Manchester, probably wondering what the fuss over their dead or maimed relatives was all about. They should be grateful really Well said . The deaths may only be at a 50 year low because because there are very few in NI now. The risk remains very real . There have been some terrible atrocities in France recently as well .
The highest non-natural cause of death worldwide is road accidents at 2.22%
The next highest is suicide at 1.42%
Homicide 0.72%
Drowning 0.53%
Alcolism 0.33%
Drugs 0.3%
Fire 0.22%
Conflict (2016) 0.21%
Terrorism (2016) 0.06%
The risk of everything else. Everything except for being a victim of a natural disaster is higher.
You've given in to terrorism. You've let them defeat you. However with most of the items on your list you can take steps to avoid. With some forms of terrorism the risk id constant and costly to avoid .
No one has given in to terrorism. We would be foolish not to recognise the risks that certain terrorist organisations impose and based on events in the last 14 years recognise which terrorist group are most likely to strike again. "You cannot take any precautions to prevent someone running a red light or a drink driver mounting the curb and hitting you. You have given in to terrorism because you give it far more weight and importance than it warrants. | |||
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"Terrorism deaths in the UK are at a 50-year low. There are bound to be lots of relieved people in Manchester, probably wondering what the fuss over their dead or maimed relatives was all about. They should be grateful really Well said . The deaths may only be at a 50 year low because because there are very few in NI now. The risk remains very real . There have been some terrible atrocities in France recently as well .
The highest non-natural cause of death worldwide is road accidents at 2.22%
The next highest is suicide at 1.42%
Homicide 0.72%
Drowning 0.53%
Alcolism 0.33%
Drugs 0.3%
Fire 0.22%
Conflict (2016) 0.21%
Terrorism (2016) 0.06%
The risk of everything else. Everything except for being a victim of a natural disaster is higher.
You've given in to terrorism. You've let them defeat you.
This ., Perspective is everything.
Refuse to live your life in fear. ". Hmmm not really, that's like saying take heroin (drugs 0.3%) you'll be statistically fine. | |||
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"The reality is: a) deaths from acts of terror in the UK are at an all-time low b) the security status of the UK is "heightened", which means an attack is considered likely c) the security services are focussed on combating an attack from one of three directions: - right-wing extremists - Islamic extremists - dissident republicans I for one am very pleased that deaths are at an all-time low. " . You wouldn't know it from your posts though!. Every other day you post something along the lines of white right wing extremists as if we're nearly in the next forth Reich. | |||
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"Terrorism deaths in the UK are at a 50-year low. There are bound to be lots of relieved people in Manchester, probably wondering what the fuss over their dead or maimed relatives was all about. They should be grateful really Well said . The deaths may only be at a 50 year low because because there are very few in NI now. The risk remains very real . There have been some terrible atrocities in France recently as well .
The highest non-natural cause of death worldwide is road accidents at 2.22%
The next highest is suicide at 1.42%
Homicide 0.72%
Drowning 0.53%
Alcolism 0.33%
Drugs 0.3%
Fire 0.22%
Conflict (2016) 0.21%
Terrorism (2016) 0.06%
The risk of everything else. Everything except for being a victim of a natural disaster is higher.
You've given in to terrorism. You've let them defeat you. However with most of the items on your list you can take steps to avoid. With some forms of terrorism the risk id constant and costly to avoid .
No one has given in to terrorism. We would be foolish not to recognise the risks that certain terrorist organisations impose and based on events in the last 14 years recognise which terrorist group are most likely to strike again.
You cannot take any precautions to prevent someone running a red light or a drink driver mounting the curb and hitting you.
You have given in to terrorism because you give it far more weight and importance than it warrants."You can minimise the risk of being hit by someone running a red light by going on an advanced driver training course and doing the appropriate test. I have done just that. In the case of the drink driver and the curb you can avoid the risk by being observant and ensuring that you position yourself in the safest position when walking. Having lived in NI I would guess any resident of the country who supports the forces of law and order would fully appreciate the threats that some forms of terrorism pose. Terrorist there was defeated because members of the security forces were constantly on the ball, knew the risks imposed and ruthlessly pursued terrorists . One terrorist group had no opportunity but to surrender as they were heavily defeated. | |||
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"man told not to do something again or he will go to jail man does it again man sent to jail man got exactley as expected " so now taxpayers money is wasted on something he could have avoided. Whatta hero. Or maybe he could use that near million pounds he's had in donations from his allies instead. | |||
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"Terrorism deaths in the UK are at a 50-year low. There are bound to be lots of relieved people in Manchester, probably wondering what the fuss over their dead or maimed relatives was all about. They should be grateful really Well said . The deaths may only be at a 50 year low because because there are very few in NI now. The risk remains very real . There have been some terrible atrocities in France recently as well .
The highest non-natural cause of death worldwide is road accidents at 2.22%
The next highest is suicide at 1.42%
Homicide 0.72%
Drowning 0.53%
Alcolism 0.33%
Drugs 0.3%
Fire 0.22%
Conflict (2016) 0.21%
Terrorism (2016) 0.06%
The risk of everything else. Everything except for being a victim of a natural disaster is higher.
You've given in to terrorism. You've let them defeat you.
This ., Perspective is everything.
Refuse to live your life in fear. .
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"man told not to do something again or he will go to jail man does it again man sent to jail man got exactley as expected so now taxpayers money is wasted on something he could have avoided. Whatta hero. Or maybe he could use that near million pounds he's had in donations from his allies instead. " I don't know what that means for this "man of the people's" £900,000 property. O Gisele he had his lawyers fees paid for though. | |||
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"The reality is: a) deaths from acts of terror in the UK are at an all-time low b) the security status of the UK is "heightened", which means an attack is considered likely c) the security services are focussed on combating an attack from one of three directions: - right-wing extremists - Islamic extremists - dissident republicans I for one am very pleased that deaths are at an all-time low. . You wouldn't know it from your posts though!. Every other day you post something along the lines of white right wing extremists as if we're nearly in the next forth Reich. "
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"He is trying to make the public aware of the epidemic of Pakistani grooming gangs rxxing children. Though perhaps in the wrong way. Read the article of a girl called Sarah not her real name, and the vile situation the child went though. Snatched off the street and helded prison for years by Pakistani men. Rxxed and druxxed every day. Referred to as white meat and white trash. " No he isn't. He's trying to get publicity for himself. Go and read the statistics on CEOPand do some basic maths. Asian incidence 0.06% White incidence 0.05% Now condemn the assaults by lone white men as loudly and as frequently. Is he saying anything about them? They are ALL equally contemptible so why choose one group to denounce and not the other? | |||
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" . You wouldn't know it from your posts though!. Every other day you post something along the lines of white right wing extremists as if we're nearly in the next forth Reich.
Well said. From what I can see the threat from right wing extremists is non existent. "Tell me about the last time there was a plot in the UK for the mass slaughter of LGBT people? | |||
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"The reality is: a) deaths from acts of terror in the UK are at an all-time low b) the security status of the UK is "heightened", which means an attack is considered likely c) the security services are focussed on combating an attack from one of three directions: - right-wing extremists - Islamic extremists - dissident republicans I for one am very pleased that deaths are at an all-time low. . You wouldn't know it from your posts though!. Every other day you post something along the lines of white right wing extremists as if we're nearly in the next forth Reich.
Well said. From what I can see the threat from right wing extremists is non existent. "So, you know more than the security services? | |||
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"The reality is: a) deaths from acts of terror in the UK are at an all-time low b) the security status of the UK is "heightened", which means an attack is considered likely c) the security services are focussed on combating an attack from one of three directions: - right-wing extremists - Islamic extremists - dissident republicans I for one am very pleased that deaths are at an all-time low. . You wouldn't know it from your posts though!. Every other day you post something along the lines of white right wing extremists as if we're nearly in the next forth Reich.
Well said. From what I can see the threat from right wing extremists is non existent. "Only because you have your head in the sand, the facts are there should you choose to accept them but like most things that you lack the objective viewpoint to accept you won't.. Is it because on the whole the right wing extremists look like the ones from your place of birth that you refuse to acknowledge their existence? Just why are you so ignorant.. | |||
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"He is trying to make the public aware of the epidemic of Pakistani grooming gangs rxxing children. Though perhaps in the wrong way. Read the article of a girl called Sarah not her real name, and the vile situation the child went though. Snatched off the street and helded prison for years by Pakistani men. Rxxed and druxxed every day. Referred to as white meat and white trash. No he isn't. He's trying to get publicity for himself. Go and read the statistics on CEOPand do some basic maths. Asian incidence 0.06% White incidence 0.05% Now condemn the assaults by lone white men as loudly and as frequently. Is he saying anything about them? They are ALL equally contemptible so why choose one group to denounce and not the other?" Well first its not Asian, the Indians, Chinese, and other Asian community were complaining about being linked with the grooming gangs that is predominately Pakistani. And white pedophiles do not normally operate in gangs. Where you like it or not this country does have a problem with Pakistani grooming vunerable children. | |||
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"He is trying to make the public aware of the epidemic of Pakistani grooming gangs rxxing children. Though perhaps in the wrong way. Read the article of a girl called Sarah not her real name, and the vile situation the child went though. Snatched off the street and helded prison for years by Pakistani men. Rxxed and druxxed every day. Referred to as white meat and white trash. No he isn't. He's trying to get publicity for himself. Go and read the statistics on CEOPand do some basic maths. Asian incidence 0.06% White incidence 0.05% Now condemn the assaults by lone white men as loudly and as frequently. Is he saying anything about them? They are ALL equally contemptible so why choose one group to denounce and not the other? Well first its not Asian, the Indians, Chinese, and other Asian community were complaining about being linked with the grooming gangs that is predominately Pakistani. And white pedophiles do not normally operate in gangs. Where you like it or not this country does have a problem with Pakistani grooming vunerable children. " All paedophile behavior is a problem and equally vile and to be condemned, not just those who operate as a gang.. Pretty sure that a victim of a none gang attack is as damaged by the experience as is one whom is attacked by a none gang perpetrator.. Or are the victims of attacks by people who are not Muslims less worthy and their attackers less to be shouted about by the likes of Robinson and many it would seem of his supporters on here? | |||
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"He is trying to make the public aware of the epidemic of Pakistani grooming gangs rxxing children. Though perhaps in the wrong way. Read the article of a girl called Sarah not her real name, and the vile situation the child went though. Snatched off the street and helded prison for years by Pakistani men. Rxxed and druxxed every day. Referred to as white meat and white trash. No he isn't. He's trying to get publicity for himself. Go and read the statistics on CEOPand do some basic maths. Asian incidence 0.06% White incidence 0.05% Now condemn the assaults by lone white men as loudly and as frequently. Is he saying anything about them? They are ALL equally contemptible so why choose one group to denounce and not the other? Well first its not Asian, the Indians, Chinese, and other Asian community were complaining about being linked with the grooming gangs that is predominately Pakistani. And white pedophiles do not normally operate in gangs. Where you like it or not this country does have a problem with Pakistani grooming vunerable children. All paedophile behavior is a problem and equally vile and to be condemned, not just those who operate as a gang.. Pretty sure that a victim of a none gang attack is as damaged by the experience as is one whom is attacked by a none gang perpetrator.. Or are the victims of attacks by people who are not Muslims less worthy and their attackers less to be shouted about by the likes of Robinson and many it would seem of his supporters on here? " Your not getting the point, many of the victims of Pakistani grooming gangs refer to their victims as white meat, white trash. One victim in Oldham was branded with the letter M for Mohammed. This is more then just pedophilia, the Pakistani grooming gangs do not see their action as doing anything wrong. The predators blame the victims who are most from broken homes and looked after children as it their fault for being out late roaming the streets. Entire family of the predators will turn up a courts shouts abuse a the victim calling them sluts and tarts. Again these victims are not women they are children so as young as 11 years old. | |||
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"He is trying to make the public aware of the epidemic of Pakistani grooming gangs rxxing children. Though perhaps in the wrong way. Read the article of a girl called Sarah not her real name, and the vile situation the child went though. Snatched off the street and helded prison for years by Pakistani men. Rxxed and druxxed every day. Referred to as white meat and white trash. No he isn't. He's trying to get publicity for himself. Go and read the statistics on CEOPand do some basic maths. Asian incidence 0.06% White incidence 0.05% Now condemn the assaults by lone white men as loudly and as frequently. Is he saying anything about them? They are ALL equally contemptible so why choose one group to denounce and not the other? Well first its not Asian, the Indians, Chinese, and other Asian community were complaining about being linked with the grooming gangs that is predominately Pakistani. And white pedophiles do not normally operate in gangs. Where you like it or not this country does have a problem with Pakistani grooming vunerable children. All paedophile behavior is a problem and equally vile and to be condemned, not just those who operate as a gang.. Pretty sure that a victim of a none gang attack is as damaged by the experience as is one whom is attacked by a none gang perpetrator.. Or are the victims of attacks by people who are not Muslims less worthy and their attackers less to be shouted about by the likes of Robinson and many it would seem of his supporters on here? Your not getting the point, many of the victims of Pakistani grooming gangs refer to their victims as white meat, white trash. One victim in Oldham was branded with the letter M for Mohammed. This is more then just pedophilia, the Pakistani grooming gangs do not see their action as doing anything wrong. The predators blame the victims who are most from broken homes and looked after children as it their fault for being out late roaming the streets. Entire family of the predators will turn up a courts shouts abuse a the victim calling them sluts and tarts. Again these victims are not women they are children so as young as 11 years old. " The issue that paedophiles of whatever background treat their victims as less than human is not news.. And the ages are of the same ranges whomever their attacker is.. Why is that ignored or as I said the victims of those attacked by none white perpetrators or if they are Muslims seemingly given greater prominence? It's almost for the likes of Robinson and his supporters, there was no other attacks on vulnerable boys and girls before these gangs.. That has sadly not been the what the facts say but that doesn't suit the narrative does it? | |||
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"He is trying to make the public aware of the epidemic of Pakistani grooming gangs rxxing children. Though perhaps in the wrong way. Read the article of a girl called Sarah not her real name, and the vile situation the child went though. Snatched off the street and helded prison for years by Pakistani men. Rxxed and druxxed every day. Referred to as white meat and white trash. No he isn't. He's trying to get publicity for himself. Go and read the statistics on CEOPand do some basic maths. Asian incidence 0.06% White incidence 0.05% Now condemn the assaults by lone white men as loudly and as frequently. Is he saying anything about them? They are ALL equally contemptible so why choose one group to denounce and not the other? Well first its not Asian, the Indians, Chinese, and other Asian community were complaining about being linked with the grooming gangs that is predominately Pakistani. And white pedophiles do not normally operate in gangs. Where you like it or not this country does have a problem with Pakistani grooming vunerable children. All paedophile behavior is a problem and equally vile and to be condemned, not just those who operate as a gang.. Pretty sure that a victim of a none gang attack is as damaged by the experience as is one whom is attacked by a none gang perpetrator.. Or are the victims of attacks by people who are not Muslims less worthy and their attackers less to be shouted about by the likes of Robinson and many it would seem of his supporters on here? Your not getting the point, many of the victims of Pakistani grooming gangs refer to their victims as white meat, white trash. One victim in Oldham was branded with the letter M for Mohammed. This is more then just pedophilia, the Pakistani grooming gangs do not see their action as doing anything wrong. The predators blame the victims who are most from broken homes and looked after children as it their fault for being out late roaming the streets. Entire family of the predators will turn up a courts shouts abuse a the victim calling them sluts and tarts. Again these victims are not women they are children so as young as 11 years old. " There's no data on them being Pakistani. Just some newspaper headlines. Your belief. Do you really believe that one form of abuse is worse than another? Should one be denounced loudly and the other ignored? They are really not equally bad? You can see a differentiator where one requires more attention than another? | |||
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"The reality is: a) deaths from acts of terror in the UK are at an all-time low b) the security status of the UK is "heightened", which means an attack is considered likely c) the security services are focussed on combating an attack from one of three directions: - right-wing extremists - Islamic extremists - dissident republicans I for one am very pleased that deaths are at an all-time low. . You wouldn't know it from your posts though!. Every other day you post something along the lines of white right wing extremists as if we're nearly in the next forth Reich.
Well said. From what I can see the threat from right wing extremists is non existent.
Only because you have your head in the sand, the facts are there should you choose to accept them but like most things that you lack the objective viewpoint to accept you won't..
Is it because on the whole the right wing extremists look like the ones from your place of birth that you refuse to acknowledge their existence?
Just why are you so ignorant.. "Hi. Ignorance appears to be one of your favourite words . I make my decisions on what has happened or is likely to happen. The real threats as I see it are from terrorists who blow up planes and suicidal bombers . To date no right wing terrorist has carried out any of these activities. As such they do not pose any real threat. I have yet to see a right wing terrorist fly a plane into a building.. | |||
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" . You wouldn't know it from your posts though!. Every other day you post something along the lines of white right wing extremists as if we're nearly in the next forth Reich.
Well said. From what I can see the threat from right wing extremists is non existent.
Tell me about the last time there was a plot in the UK for the mass slaughter of LGBT people?
"If such a plot did exist it has hardly received any publicity . For now we can safely ignore such a threat . | |||
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"The reality is: a) deaths from acts of terror in the UK are at an all-time low b) the security status of the UK is "heightened", which means an attack is considered likely c) the security services are focussed on combating an attack from one of three directions: - right-wing extremists - Islamic extremists - dissident republicans I for one am very pleased that deaths are at an all-time low. . You wouldn't know it from your posts though!. Every other day you post something along the lines of white right wing extremists as if we're nearly in the next forth Reich.
Well said. From what I can see the threat from right wing extremists is non existent.
Only because you have your head in the sand, the facts are there should you choose to accept them but like most things that you lack the objective viewpoint to accept you won't..
Is it because on the whole the right wing extremists look like the ones from your place of birth that you refuse to acknowledge their existence?
Just why are you so ignorant.. Hi. Ignorance appears to be one of your favourite words . I make my decisions on what has happened or is likely to happen. The real threats as I see it are from terrorists who blow up planes and suicidal bombers . To date no right wing terrorist has carried out any of these activities. As such they do not pose any real threat. I have yet to see a right wing terrorist fly a plane into a building.."The real threats are obecity, Type 2 diabetes, road accidents, mental health problems leading to suicide... In short, almost everything else. | |||
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"The reality is: a) deaths from acts of terror in the UK are at an all-time low b) the security status of the UK is "heightened", which means an attack is considered likely c) the security services are focussed on combating an attack from one of three directions: - right-wing extremists - Islamic extremists - dissident republicans I for one am very pleased that deaths are at an all-time low. . You wouldn't know it from your posts though!. Every other day you post something along the lines of white right wing extremists as if we're nearly in the next forth Reich.
Well said. From what I can see the threat from right wing extremists is non existent.
Only because you have your head in the sand, the facts are there should you choose to accept them but like most things that you lack the objective viewpoint to accept you won't..
Is it because on the whole the right wing extremists look like the ones from your place of birth that you refuse to acknowledge their existence?
Just why are you so ignorant.. Hi. Ignorance appears to be one of your favourite words . I make my decisions on what has happened or is likely to happen. The real threats as I see it are from terrorists who blow up planes and suicidal bombers . To date no right wing terrorist has carried out any of these activities. As such they do not pose any real threat. I have yet to see a right wing terrorist fly a plane into a building.."Your dumb too if you think the security services have not stopped potential attacks by right wing terrorists, and maybe you should read about those already convicted of terrorism in one if your daily reads.. Yet you won't.. Thankfully the security services are not as lax as the likes of you with your head in the sand.. | |||
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"The reality is: a) deaths from acts of terror in the UK are at an all-time low b) the security status of the UK is "heightened", which means an attack is considered likely c) the security services are focussed on combating an attack from one of three directions: - right-wing extremists - Islamic extremists - dissident republicans I for one am very pleased that deaths are at an all-time low. . You wouldn't know it from your posts though!. Every other day you post something along the lines of white right wing extremists as if we're nearly in the next forth Reich.
Well said. From what I can see the threat from right wing extremists is non existent.
Only because you have your head in the sand, the facts are there should you choose to accept them but like most things that you lack the objective viewpoint to accept you won't..
Is it because on the whole the right wing extremists look like the ones from your place of birth that you refuse to acknowledge their existence?
Just why are you so ignorant.. Hi. Ignorance appears to be one of your favourite words . I make my decisions on what has happened or is likely to happen. The real threats as I see it are from terrorists who blow up planes and suicidal bombers . To date no right wing terrorist has carried out any of these activities. As such they do not pose any real threat. I have yet to see a right wing terrorist fly a plane into a building..
Your dumb too if you think the security services have not stopped potential attacks by right wing terrorists, and maybe you should read about those already convicted of terrorism in one if your daily reads..
Yet you won't..
Thankfully the security services are not as lax as the likes of you with your head in the sand..
"Hi. You are quite right that I will not. In real life you would not walk up to someone and call them dumb. This is simply an attribute that I would associate with an internet warrior. I can see no real threat from right wing terrorists. The war is now against a different type of terrorist . Luckily what some extremely brave internet warriors post on here is irrelevant, the only feedback that matters is what you actually receive in real life and how you react to it. For now I will rely on feedback from clients. On one website it is. 9.6 out of 10. I am more than happy with that. You can score me as nil out of 10 but it does not make any difference in real life . | |||
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"He is trying to make the public aware of the epidemic of Pakistani grooming gangs rxxing children. Though perhaps in the wrong way. Read the article of a girl called Sarah not her real name, and the vile situation the child went though. Snatched off the street and helded prison for years by Pakistani men. Rxxed and druxxed every day. Referred to as white meat and white trash. No he isn't. He's trying to get publicity for himself. Go and read the statistics on CEOPand do some basic maths. Asian incidence 0.06% White incidence 0.05% Now condemn the assaults by lone white men as loudly and as frequently. Is he saying anything about them? They are ALL equally contemptible so why choose one group to denounce and not the other? Well first its not Asian, the Indians, Chinese, and other Asian community were complaining about being linked with the grooming gangs that is predominately Pakistani. And white pedophiles do not normally operate in gangs. Where you like it or not this country does have a problem with Pakistani grooming vunerable children. All paedophile behavior is a problem and equally vile and to be condemned, not just those who operate as a gang.. Pretty sure that a victim of a none gang attack is as damaged by the experience as is one whom is attacked by a none gang perpetrator.. Or are the victims of attacks by people who are not Muslims less worthy and their attackers less to be shouted about by the likes of Robinson and many it would seem of his supporters on here? Your not getting the point, many of the victims of Pakistani grooming gangs refer to their victims as white meat, white trash. One victim in Oldham was branded with the letter M for Mohammed. This is more then just pedophilia, the Pakistani grooming gangs do not see their action as doing anything wrong. The predators blame the victims who are most from broken homes and looked after children as it their fault for being out late roaming the streets. Entire family of the predators will turn up a courts shouts abuse a the victim calling them sluts and tarts. Again these victims are not women they are children so as young as 11 years old. There's no data on them being Pakistani. Just some newspaper headlines. Your belief. Do you really believe that one form of abuse is worse than another? Should one be denounced loudly and the other ignored? They are really not equally bad? You can see a differentiator where one requires more attention than another?" OMG the Labour MP Sarah Champion got suspended for saying there is a problem with Pakistani grooming children. The madia won't print the fact the majority of grooming gangs are from Pakistani origin, they print Asian. They call the victims women when if fact they are children, some with LD. Im not saying one type of pedophilia is worse due to the race of the predators are victims. But this country and other countries do have a major problem the Pakistani grooming gangs. A report from hudderfield. The men were convicted of more than 120 offences against 15 girls. Victims were plied with drink and drugs and then "used and abused at will" in a seven-year "campaign of rxxe and abuse" between 2004 and 2011. At Leeds Crown Court, the ringleader, Amere Singh Dhaliwal, 35, was jailed for life with a minimum of 18 years. Other members of the gang were jailed for between five and 18 years but the court heard many perpetrators have never been identified. Details of the men's convictions and sentences can only now be published after reporting restrictions on a series of trials were partially lifted. During the three trials, jurors heard how the men - who are all British Asians mainly of Pakistani heritage - preyed on young, vulnerable girls, one of whom was described as having the mental age of a seven-year-old. | |||
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"He is trying to make the public aware of the epidemic of Pakistani grooming gangs rxxing children. Though perhaps in the wrong way. Read the article of a girl called Sarah not her real name, and the vile situation the child went though. Snatched off the street and helded prison for years by Pakistani men. Rxxed and druxxed every day. Referred to as white meat and white trash. No he isn't. He's trying to get publicity for himself. Go and read the statistics on CEOPand do some basic maths. Asian incidence 0.06% White incidence 0.05% Now condemn the assaults by lone white men as loudly and as frequently. Is he saying anything about them? They are ALL equally contemptible so why choose one group to denounce and not the other? Well first its not Asian, the Indians, Chinese, and other Asian community were complaining about being linked with the grooming gangs that is predominately Pakistani. And white pedophiles do not normally operate in gangs. Where you like it or not this country does have a problem with Pakistani grooming vunerable children. All paedophile behavior is a problem and equally vile and to be condemned, not just those who operate as a gang.. Pretty sure that a victim of a none gang attack is as damaged by the experience as is one whom is attacked by a none gang perpetrator.. Or are the victims of attacks by people who are not Muslims less worthy and their attackers less to be shouted about by the likes of Robinson and many it would seem of his supporters on here? Your not getting the point, many of the victims of Pakistani grooming gangs refer to their victims as white meat, white trash. One victim in Oldham was branded with the letter M for Mohammed. This is more then just pedophilia, the Pakistani grooming gangs do not see their action as doing anything wrong. The predators blame the victims who are most from broken homes and looked after children as it their fault for being out late roaming the streets. Entire family of the predators will turn up a courts shouts abuse a the victim calling them sluts and tarts. Again these victims are not women they are children so as young as 11 years old. There's no data on them being Pakistani. Just some newspaper headlines. Your belief. Do you really believe that one form of abuse is worse than another? Should one be denounced loudly and the other ignored? They are really not equally bad? You can see a differentiator where one requires more attention than another? OMG the Labour MP Sarah Champion got suspended for saying there is a problem with Pakistani grooming children. The madia won't print the fact the majority of grooming gangs are from Pakistani origin, they print Asian. They call the victims women when if fact they are children, some with LD. Im not saying one type of pedophilia is worse due to the race of the predators are victims. But this country and other countries do have a major problem the Pakistani grooming gangs. A report from hudderfield. The men were convicted of more than 120 offences against 15 girls. Victims were plied with drink and drugs and then "used and abused at will" in a seven-year "campaign of rxxe and abuse" between 2004 and 2011. At Leeds Crown Court, the ringleader, Amere Singh Dhaliwal, 35, was jailed for life with a minimum of 18 years. Other members of the gang were jailed for between five and 18 years but the court heard many perpetrators have never been identified. Details of the men's convictions and sentences can only now be published after reporting restrictions on a series of trials were partially lifted. During the three trials, jurors heard how the men - who are all British Asians mainly of Pakistani heritage - preyed on young, vulnerable girls, one of whom was described as having the mental age of a seven-year-old." You can OMG all you like. However, look for the actual data. Then form an opinion. If CEOP don't have this information and the media "won't print it", then where is your information from? Simple question. You have said, once again, why grooming gangs are horrible. You've also said that all of this abuse is bad. You have also said that grooming gangs have been tried and convicted. They have been tried and convicted. So, once again, why are you not giving all forms of abuse equal weight? If you cannot, then perhaps you should consider why that might be? That's not a dig. | |||
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"Pat, currently the numbers in jail for terrorism offences is 82% islamist, 13% right wing and 6% from your own 6 counties.. The number of right wing extremists actually tripled in 2018 from 9 to 27.. So you saying it is not a threat as they have not committed attacks similar to 7/7 or 9/11 is nonsense.. Ask the family of Jo Cox about the reality.. " . However , regardless of how you wish to present it , the statistics which you have chosen to post in your reply appear to indicate that terrorism from islamist is six times greater than that of so called right wing terrorists . It is an interesting piece of information | |||
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"Pat, currently the numbers in jail for terrorism offences is 82% islamist, 13% right wing and 6% from your own 6 counties.. The number of right wing extremists actually tripled in 2018 from 9 to 27.. So you saying it is not a threat as they have not committed attacks similar to 7/7 or 9/11 is nonsense.. Ask the family of Jo Cox about the reality.. . However , regardless of how you wish to present it , the statistics which you have chosen to post in your reply appear to indicate that terrorism from islamist is six times greater than that of so called right wing terrorists . It is an interesting piece of information " No one is saying that is not the case, you seem to be the only one saying the fact that the right wing extremists have tripled is not an issue.. All terrorism is or should be an issue for all of us, not for one group to be excused or disregarded because your in their political side of the debate.. | |||
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"He is trying to make the public aware of the epidemic of Pakistani grooming gangs rxxing children. Though perhaps in the wrong way. Read the article of a girl called Sarah not her real name, and the vile situation the child went though. Snatched off the street and helded prison for years by Pakistani men. Rxxed and druxxed every day. Referred to as white meat and white trash. No he isn't. He's trying to get publicity for himself. Go and read the statistics on CEOPand do some basic maths. Asian incidence 0.06% White incidence 0.05% Now condemn the assaults by lone white men as loudly and as frequently. Is he saying anything about them? They are ALL equally contemptible so why choose one group to denounce and not the other? Well first its not Asian, the Indians, Chinese, and other Asian community were complaining about being linked with the grooming gangs that is predominately Pakistani. And white pedophiles do not normally operate in gangs. Where you like it or not this country does have a problem with Pakistani grooming vunerable children. All paedophile behavior is a problem and equally vile and to be condemned, not just those who operate as a gang.. Pretty sure that a victim of a none gang attack is as damaged by the experience as is one whom is attacked by a none gang perpetrator.. Or are the victims of attacks by people who are not Muslims less worthy and their attackers less to be shouted about by the likes of Robinson and many it would seem of his supporters on here? Your not getting the point, many of the victims of Pakistani grooming gangs refer to their victims as white meat, white trash. One victim in Oldham was branded with the letter M for Mohammed. This is more then just pedophilia, the Pakistani grooming gangs do not see their action as doing anything wrong. The predators blame the victims who are most from broken homes and looked after children as it their fault for being out late roaming the streets. Entire family of the predators will turn up a courts shouts abuse a the victim calling them sluts and tarts. Again these victims are not women they are children so as young as 11 years old. There's no data on them being Pakistani. Just some newspaper headlines. Your belief. Do you really believe that one form of abuse is worse than another? Should one be denounced loudly and the other ignored? They are really not equally bad? You can see a differentiator where one requires more attention than another? OMG the Labour MP Sarah Champion got suspended for saying there is a problem with Pakistani grooming children. The madia won't print the fact the majority of grooming gangs are from Pakistani origin, they print Asian. They call the victims women when if fact they are children, some with LD. Im not saying one type of pedophilia is worse due to the race of the predators are victims. But this country and other countries do have a major problem the Pakistani grooming gangs. A report from hudderfield. The men were convicted of more than 120 offences against 15 girls. Victims were plied with drink and drugs and then "used and abused at will" in a seven-year "campaign of rxxe and abuse" between 2004 and 2011. At Leeds Crown Court, the ringleader, Amere Singh Dhaliwal, 35, was jailed for life with a minimum of 18 years. Other members of the gang were jailed for between five and 18 years but the court heard many perpetrators have never been identified. Details of the men's convictions and sentences can only now be published after reporting restrictions on a series of trials were partially lifted. During the three trials, jurors heard how the men - who are all British Asians mainly of Pakistani heritage - preyed on young, vulnerable girls, one of whom was described as having the mental age of a seven-year-old. You can OMG all you like. However, look for the actual data. Then form an opinion. If CEOP don't have this information and the media "won't print it", then where is your information from? Simple question. You have said, once again, why grooming gangs are horrible. You've also said that all of this abuse is bad. You have also said that grooming gangs have been tried and convicted. They have been tried and convicted. So, once again, why are you not giving all forms of abuse equal weight? If you cannot, then perhaps you should consider why that might be? That's not a dig." Ffs give me strength. Right go and google the Rotherham abuse. And then dig a bit deeper. You'll find the then duty leader of then Labour party Gordon Brown told social services and police NOT to investigate grooming gangs. And when did I say that all forms of abuse, pedophilia is not bad form any race. ???? What Robinson done was wrong, full stop. But ask yourself a question why is the powers at the top. So keen to shut him up ?? | |||
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"Pat, currently the numbers in jail for terrorism offences is 82% islamist, 13% right wing and 6% from your own 6 counties.. The number of right wing extremists actually tripled in 2018 from 9 to 27.. So you saying it is not a threat as they have not committed attacks similar to 7/7 or 9/11 is nonsense.. Ask the family of Jo Cox about the reality.. . However , regardless of how you wish to present it , the statistics which you have chosen to post in your reply appear to indicate that terrorism from islamist is six times greater than that of so called right wing terrorists . It is an interesting piece of information No one is saying that is not the case, you seem to be the only one saying the fact that the right wing extremists have tripled is not an issue.. All terrorism is or should be an issue for all of us, not for one group to be excused or disregarded because your in their political side of the debate.. " What I identified was which terrorist group were most likely to blow a plane up or be a suicidal bomber ( ie the type of terrorist which put members of the public most at risk ) The right wing terrorist base is small and irrelevant compared to Islamist terrorism . If we were to take take the data which you provided the data for the risk factor of Islamist terrorism would need to be adjusted upwards considerabilty when compared to the size of the community of each group resident in the UK. | |||
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"Pat, currently the numbers in jail for terrorism offences is 82% islamist, 13% right wing and 6% from your own 6 counties.. The number of right wing extremists actually tripled in 2018 from 9 to 27.. So you saying it is not a threat as they have not committed attacks similar to 7/7 or 9/11 is nonsense.. Ask the family of Jo Cox about the reality.. . However , regardless of how you wish to present it , the statistics which you have chosen to post in your reply appear to indicate that terrorism from islamist is six times greater than that of so called right wing terrorists . It is an interesting piece of information No one is saying that is not the case, you seem to be the only one saying the fact that the right wing extremists have tripled is not an issue.. All terrorism is or should be an issue for all of us, not for one group to be excused or disregarded because your in their political side of the debate.. What I identified was which terrorist group were most likely to blow a plane up or be a suicidal bomber ( ie the type of terrorist which put members of the public most at risk ) The right wing terrorist base is small and irrelevant compared to Islamist terrorism . If we were to take take the data which you provided the data for the risk factor of Islamist terrorism would need to be adjusted upwards considerabilty when compared to the size of the community of each group resident in the UK. " That you associate the type of past atrocities committed by one group as ones that might only be committed by that group or that because as yet an attempt has not been made in a similar vein as proof that there is no threat from in this case the right wing extremists is beyond baffling and represents a complete lack of your ability to comprehend just how the professionals in that field have to think in protecting us.. It's a pretty blinkered way if thinking.. | |||
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"He is trying to make the public aware of the epidemic of Pakistani grooming gangs rxxing children. Though perhaps in the wrong way. Read the article of a girl called Sarah not her real name, and the vile situation the child went though. Snatched off the street and helded prison for years by Pakistani men. Rxxed and druxxed every day. Referred to as white meat and white trash. No he isn't. He's trying to get publicity for himself. Go and read the statistics on CEOPand do some basic maths. Asian incidence 0.06% White incidence 0.05% Now condemn the assaults by lone white men as loudly and as frequently. Is he saying anything about them? They are ALL equally contemptible so why choose one group to denounce and not the other? Well first its not Asian, the Indians, Chinese, and other Asian community were complaining about being linked with the grooming gangs that is predominately Pakistani. And white pedophiles do not normally operate in gangs. Where you like it or not this country does have a problem with Pakistani grooming vunerable children. All paedophile behavior is a problem and equally vile and to be condemned, not just those who operate as a gang.. Pretty sure that a victim of a none gang attack is as damaged by the experience as is one whom is attacked by a none gang perpetrator.. Or are the victims of attacks by people who are not Muslims less worthy and their attackers less to be shouted about by the likes of Robinson and many it would seem of his supporters on here? Your not getting the point, many of the victims of Pakistani grooming gangs refer to their victims as white meat, white trash. One victim in Oldham was branded with the letter M for Mohammed. This is more then just pedophilia, the Pakistani grooming gangs do not see their action as doing anything wrong. The predators blame the victims who are most from broken homes and looked after children as it their fault for being out late roaming the streets. Entire family of the predators will turn up a courts shouts abuse a the victim calling them sluts and tarts. Again these victims are not women they are children so as young as 11 years old. There's no data on them being Pakistani. Just some newspaper headlines. Your belief. Do you really believe that one form of abuse is worse than another? Should one be denounced loudly and the other ignored? They are really not equally bad? You can see a differentiator where one requires more attention than another? OMG the Labour MP Sarah Champion got suspended for saying there is a problem with Pakistani grooming children. The madia won't print the fact the majority of grooming gangs are from Pakistani origin, they print Asian. They call the victims women when if fact they are children, some with LD. Im not saying one type of pedophilia is worse due to the race of the predators are victims. But this country and other countries do have a major problem the Pakistani grooming gangs. A report from hudderfield. The men were convicted of more than 120 offences against 15 girls. Victims were plied with drink and drugs and then "used and abused at will" in a seven-year "campaign of rxxe and abuse" between 2004 and 2011. At Leeds Crown Court, the ringleader, Amere Singh Dhaliwal, 35, was jailed for life with a minimum of 18 years. Other members of the gang were jailed for between five and 18 years but the court heard many perpetrators have never been identified. Details of the men's convictions and sentences can only now be published after reporting restrictions on a series of trials were partially lifted. During the three trials, jurors heard how the men - who are all British Asians mainly of Pakistani heritage - preyed on young, vulnerable girls, one of whom was described as having the mental age of a seven-year-old. You can OMG all you like. However, look for the actual data. Then form an opinion. If CEOP don't have this information and the media "won't print it", then where is your information from? Simple question. You have said, once again, why grooming gangs are horrible. You've also said that all of this abuse is bad. You have also said that grooming gangs have been tried and convicted. They have been tried and convicted. So, once again, why are you not giving all forms of abuse equal weight? If you cannot, then perhaps you should consider why that might be? That's not a dig. Ffs give me strength. Right go and google the Rotherham abuse. And then dig a bit deeper. You'll find the then duty leader of then Labour party Gordon Brown told social services and police NOT to investigate grooming gangs. And when did I say that all forms of abuse, pedophilia is not bad form any race. ???? What Robinson done was wrong, full stop. But ask yourself a question why is the powers at the top. So keen to shut him up ?? " Where is the data? Even state what organisation it comes from if CEOP does not have it. Tell us where you have been "digging"? What makes your sources reliable? I wrote: "You have said, once again, why grooming gangs are horrible. You've also said that all of this abuse is bad." So no, I haven't said that you claimed anything else. What I asked was why do you feel it requires more attention than any other form of child exploitation? Members of grooming gangs being convicted. The rate between both racial groups is practically the same. Why does one horrible crime require more publicity than another under these circumstances? Robinson was held in contempt of court. Nobody's "shutting him up". He committed multiple crimes. He's being a twat all by himself. | |||
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" . You wouldn't know it from your posts though!. Every other day you post something along the lines of white right wing extremists as if we're nearly in the next forth Reich.
Well said. From what I can see the threat from right wing extremists is non existent.
Tell me about the last time there was a plot in the UK for the mass slaughter of LGBT people?
If such a plot did exist it has hardly received any publicity . For now we can safely ignore such a threat . "If such a plot exists . . . Lol We can safely ignore . . . Lol I'm sure Ethan Stables is comforted by your words. White, aged 20, with a collection of Nazi memorabilia found at home. Convicted in 2018 under the terrorism act of plotting to slaughter people attending a pride event. Now detained in jail without limit of time. So, yes, the threat to people in this country from right-wing extremists is clear. | |||
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"Pat, currently the numbers in jail for terrorism offences is 82% islamist, 13% right wing and 6% from your own 6 counties.. The number of right wing extremists actually tripled in 2018 from 9 to 27.. So you saying it is not a threat as they have not committed attacks similar to 7/7 or 9/11 is nonsense.. Ask the family of Jo Cox about the reality.. . However , regardless of how you wish to present it , the statistics which you have chosen to post in your reply appear to indicate that terrorism from islamist is six times greater than that of so called right wing terrorists . It is an interesting piece of information No one is saying that is not the case, you seem to be the only one saying the fact that the right wing extremists have tripled is not an issue.. All terrorism is or should be an issue for all of us, not for one group to be excused or disregarded because your in their political side of the debate.. What I identified was which terrorist group were most likely to blow a plane up or be a suicidal bomber ( ie the type of terrorist which put members of the public most at risk ) The right wing terrorist base is small and irrelevant compared to Islamist terrorism . If we were to take take the data which you provided the data for the risk factor of Islamist terrorism would need to be adjusted upwards considerabilty when compared to the size of the community of each group resident in the UK. That you associate the type of past atrocities committed by one group as ones that might only be committed by that group or that because as yet an attempt has not been made in a similar vein as proof that there is no threat from in this case the right wing extremists is beyond baffling and represents a complete lack of your ability to comprehend just how the professionals in that field have to think in protecting us.. It's a pretty blinkered way if thinking.. " It might be to you but must people I have spoken to have never expressed too much concern about the threat of right wing terrorists . You appear to be attempting to deflect attention away from the greatest a area of risk to most people . | |||
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