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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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The first speech to the Euro Parliament by a Brexit Party MEP - and she compares Britons to slaves rising up against plantation owners.
"There is a pattern consistent throughout history of oppressed people turning on their oppressors, slaves against their owners, the peasantry against the feudal barons, colonies against their empires and that is why Britain is leaving," she said.
The irony meter just exploded.
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over a year ago
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"The first speech to the Euro Parliament by a Brexit Party MEP - and she compares Britons to slaves rising up against plantation owners.
"There is a pattern consistent throughout history of oppressed people turning on their oppressors, slaves against their owners, the peasantry against the feudal barons, colonies against their empires and that is why Britain is leaving," she said.
The irony meter just exploded.
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I couldn't believe what she said.
We are part of the EU that she says we are slaves to. Fucking dumb old hag.
To compare someone captured and enslaved to us being a willing paying member of a trading and political institution is so off the fucking dumb scale it's unbelievable really.
A slave has no rights
A slave cannot free themselves
A slave is fucked basically, beaten if they don't serve correctly, has no lawful representation.
To compare the UK that is free to leave at any time we wish to do so to a slave is absolutely fucking wrong.
She's a fucking disgrace to our country. |
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"The first speech to the Euro Parliament by a Brexit Party MEP - and she compares Britons to slaves rising up against plantation owners.
"There is a pattern consistent throughout history of oppressed people turning on their oppressors, slaves against their owners, the peasantry against the feudal barons, colonies against their empires and that is why Britain is leaving," she said.
The irony meter just exploded.
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This is what brexit supporters voted for, she doesn’t really give a toss what normal people think, shes rabble rousing for her jackboot brexit party supporters, so they can do some crazy shit to the rest of the population. |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
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Calm down folks - Widdecombe was always fucking clown shoes
desperate for attention and relevance
she'll never achieve the former so why not grant her the former as an act of pitied charity |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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She isn’t always right, probably even rarely. But the way the UK has been kowtowing to the EU all these years, she might well have a point.
Still, that won’t stop the usual twats calling her the usual stupid fucking names.
It doesn’t matter though, we will either get our BREXIT via the Tories, or by TBP. I’m plumping for the later.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What a utter disgrace this women is she should be thrown out of the European parliament. What must our friends in Europe think if us.
But this is typical of the Brexit party a bunch of cretins. "
Blah blah! |
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"She isn’t always right, probably even rarely. But the way the UK has been kowtowing to the EU all these years, she might well have a point.
Still, that won’t stop the usual twats calling her the usual stupid fucking names.
It doesn’t matter though, we will either get our BREXIT via the Tories, or by TBP. I’m plumping for the later. "
The only point here is that she and anyone who justifies her comments are complete and utter tools with no understanding of history or even basic respect for anyone else. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The first speech to the Euro Parliament by a Brexit Party MEP - and she compares Britons to slaves rising up against plantation owners.
"There is a pattern consistent throughout history of oppressed people turning on their oppressors, slaves against their owners, the peasantry against the feudal barons, colonies against their empires and that is why Britain is leaving," she said.
The irony meter just exploded.
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She is simply making a point . Anyone with common sense knows not to take her words literally. She has achieved a lot more in life than most of us have ..At least she was a cabinet minister. You have to be fairly talented to achieve that position in life . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The first speech to the Euro Parliament by a Brexit Party MEP - and she compares Britons to slaves rising up against plantation owners.
"There is a pattern consistent throughout history of oppressed people turning on their oppressors, slaves against their owners, the peasantry against the feudal barons, colonies against their empires and that is why Britain is leaving," she said.
The irony meter just exploded.
She is simply making a point . Anyone with common sense knows not to take her words literally. She has achieved a lot more in life than most of us have ..At least she was a cabinet minister. You have to be fairly talented to achieve that position in life ."
Honestly man, it is pointless getting into a battle of wits with an unarmed ‘person.’ |
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"The first speech to the Euro Parliament by a Brexit Party MEP - and she compares Britons to slaves rising up against plantation owners.
"There is a pattern consistent throughout history of oppressed people turning on their oppressors, slaves against their owners, the peasantry against the feudal barons, colonies against their empires and that is why Britain is leaving," she said.
The irony meter just exploded.
She is simply making a point . Anyone with common sense knows not to take her words literally. She has achieved a lot more in life than most of us have ..At least she was a cabinet minister. You have to be fairly talented to achieve that position in life ."
Have you ever read Dianne Abbott's CV |
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By *ancadamMan
over a year ago
Stockport |
"Calm down folks - Widdecombe was always fucking clown shoes
desperate for attention and relevance
she'll never achieve the former so why not grant her the former as an act of pitied charity"
God you are charitable. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"The first speech to the Euro Parliament by a Brexit Party MEP - and she compares Britons to slaves rising up against plantation owners.
"There is a pattern consistent throughout history of oppressed people turning on their oppressors, slaves against their owners, the peasantry against the feudal barons, colonies against their empires and that is why Britain is leaving," she said.
The irony meter just exploded.
She is simply making a point . Anyone with common sense knows not to take her words literally. She has achieved a lot more in life than most of us have ..At least she was a cabinet minister. You have to be fairly talented to achieve that position in life ."
The following has to be a classic last post for someone who has gone UNLOS. Fucking brilliant...
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Honestly man, it is pointless getting into a battle of wits with an unarmed ‘person.’ "
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"What a utter disgrace this women is she should be thrown out of the European parliament. What must our friends in Europe think if us.
But this is typical of the Brexit party a bunch of cretins. "
But they can't throw her out. She was democratically elected |
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"The first speech to the Euro Parliament by a Brexit Party MEP - and she compares Britons to slaves rising up against plantation owners.
"There is a pattern consistent throughout history of oppressed people turning on their oppressors, slaves against their owners, the peasantry against the feudal barons, colonies against their empires and that is why Britain is leaving," she said.
The irony meter just exploded.
She is simply making a point . Anyone with common sense knows not to take her words literally. She has achieved a lot more in life than most of us have ..At least she was a cabinet minister. You have to be fairly talented to achieve that position in life .
Have you ever read Dianne Abbott's CV"
Went to Cambridge, worked in TV and the civil service, has been elected as an MP over multiple parliaments in the past 30 years.
It's not particularly amazing but it's about what most MPs achieve.
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"The first speech to the Euro Parliament by a Brexit Party MEP - and she compares Britons to slaves rising up against plantation owners.
"There is a pattern consistent throughout history of oppressed people turning on their oppressors, slaves against their owners, the peasantry against the feudal barons, colonies against their empires and that is why Britain is leaving," she said.
The irony meter just exploded.
I couldn't believe what she said.
We are part of the EU that she says we are slaves to. Fucking dumb old hag.
To compare someone captured and enslaved to us being a willing paying member of a trading and political institution is so off the fucking dumb scale it's unbelievable really.
A slave has no rights
A slave cannot free themselves
A slave is fucked basically, beaten if they don't serve correctly, has no lawful representation.
To compare the UK that is free to leave at any time we wish to do so to a slave is absolutely fucking wrong.
She's a fucking disgrace to our country. "
That's the exact phrase , iv been wanting that phrase to Express my thoughts on a fair number of events recently, their vulgar ignorance is beyond my most exasperated comprehension
Gall and brutal racist ignorance also describes her |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Oh how embarrassing that Europe got to witness the kind of batty old ignorant people we elect........The Brexit party are only one step up from the BNP...not as nasty but just as vile |
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By (user no longer on site)
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This is what brexit supporters voted for, she doesn’t really give a toss what normal people think, shes rabble rousing for her jackboot brexit party supporters, so they can do some crazy shit to the rest of the population."
Wow just wow. So the 17.4 million people are not normal?
Leave won. Get over it. Honour the democratic vote or what’s the point in having them? Might as well become like North Korea. Looney lefties really make me laugh |
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"What a utter disgrace this women is she should be thrown out of the European parliament. What must our friends in Europe think if us.
But this is typical of the Brexit party a bunch of cretins. "
Friends?
These "friends" who said on a number of occasions that they would "punish" us for daring to try and leave?
I'll take a daft old bat from the Brexit Party over one of those tossers any day!  |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Figment of your imagination.
Me thinks you might be confused about getting better terms as a non-member than you can as a member.
Anyone who fell for that line really is quite thick in the head. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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These "friends" who said on a number of occasions that they would "punish" us for daring to try and leave?
Who in the EU said they were going to punish us for Brexit?
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Remember they were listening (and still are) to people who keep telling them they are going to have their cake and eat it..... get to keep everything they want and give up nothing!
so when the EU tell then... "nope, the world doesn't work like that!" they see it as being punished
anything that isn't the "unicorn" they were told they were going to get, is going to be seen as a slight |
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These "friends" who said on a number of occasions that they would "punish" us for daring to try and leave?
Who in the EU said they were going to punish us for Brexit?
Remember they were listening (and still are) to people who keep telling them they are going to have their cake and eat it..... get to keep everything they want and give up nothing!
so when the EU tell then... "nope, the world doesn't work like that!" they see it as being punished
anything that isn't the "unicorn" they were told they were going to get, is going to be seen as a slight"
Anyone who has analysed the EU contribution table by country in detail would conclude that the current system is totally unfair. How can you justify some counties being net beneficiaries and others being beneficiaries.
No one has ever mentioned having your cake and eat it .
The EU needs to revise the method by which it allocates costs and in addition end free movement of people.. |
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These "friends" who said on a number of occasions that they would "punish" us for daring to try and leave?
Who in the EU said they were going to punish us for Brexit?
Remember they were listening (and still are) to people who keep telling them they are going to have their cake and eat it..... get to keep everything they want and give up nothing!
so when the EU tell then... "nope, the world doesn't work like that!" they see it as being punished
anything that isn't the "unicorn" they were told they were going to get, is going to be seen as a slight
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The unicorn is looking more and more like a fairly tatty goat with one horn sawn off... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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" Anyone who has analysed the EU contribution table by country in detail would conclude that the current system is totally unfair. How can you justify some counties being net beneficiaries and others being beneficiaries.
No one has ever mentioned having your cake and eat it .
The EU needs to revise the method by which it allocates costs and in addition end free movement of people.."
bit rich that pat..... because northern ireland, where you came from, happens to be a net beneficiary of EU money
Cumbria, where you use to live, happens to be a net beneficiary of EU money (you know that new airport that just opened in Carlisle, guess who have put some "regen" money into that?)
so actually it more regionalised than you think..... |
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" Anyone who has analysed the EU contribution table by country in detail would conclude that the current system is totally unfair. How can you justify some counties being net beneficiaries and others being beneficiaries.
No one has ever mentioned having your cake and eat it .
The EU needs to revise the method by which it allocates costs and in addition end free movement of people..
bit rich that pat..... because northern ireland, where you came from, happens to be a net beneficiary of EU money
Cumbria, where you use to live, happens to be a net beneficiary of EU money (you know that new airport that just opened in Carlisle, guess who have put some "regen" money into that?)
so actually it more regionalised than you think....."
Hello. I am just being realistic. A few countries are net contributors to the EU and I assume that by default they are subsidising the net beneficiaries. As the UK is a net contributor to EU finding you cannot claim that we receive any grants. We are simply receiving back money that we paid in.
Over a long period of time the Republic of Ireland has been a net beneficiary of EU funds . In this case your statement would be valid . |
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" Anyone who has analysed the EU contribution table by country in detail would conclude that the current system is totally unfair. How can you justify some counties being net beneficiaries and others being beneficiaries.
No one has ever mentioned having your cake and eat it .
The EU needs to revise the method by which it allocates costs and in addition end free movement of people..
bit rich that pat..... because northern ireland, where you came from, happens to be a net beneficiary of EU money
Cumbria, where you use to live, happens to be a net beneficiary of EU money (you know that new airport that just opened in Carlisle, guess who have put some "regen" money into that?)
so actually it more regionalised than you think..... Hello. I am just being realistic. A few countries are net contributors to the EU and I assume that by default they are subsidising the net beneficiaries. As the UK is a net contributor to EU finding you cannot claim that we receive any grants. We are simply receiving back money that we paid in.
Over a long period of time the Republic of Ireland has been a net beneficiary of EU funds . In this case your statement would be valid . "
Another example of hypocrisy and deception. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Anyone who has analysed the EU contribution table by country in detail would conclude that the current system is totally unfair. How can you justify some counties being net beneficiaries and others being beneficiaries.
No one has ever mentioned having your cake and eat it .
The EU needs to revise the method by which it allocates costs and in addition end free movement of people..
bit rich that pat..... because northern ireland, where you came from, happens to be a net beneficiary of EU money
Cumbria, where you use to live, happens to be a net beneficiary of EU money (you know that new airport that just opened in Carlisle, guess who have put some "regen" money into that?)
so actually it more regionalised than you think..... Hello. I am just being realistic. A few countries are net contributors to the EU and I assume that by default they are subsidising the net beneficiaries. As the UK is a net contributor to EU finding you cannot claim that we receive any grants. We are simply receiving back money that we paid in.
Over a long period of time the Republic of Ireland has been a net beneficiary of EU funds . In this case your statement would be valid . "
Ireland is a net contributor to the EU, but don’t let your usual biases get in the way of facts. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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" Anyone who has analysed the EU contribution table by country in detail would conclude that the current system is totally unfair. How can you justify some counties being net beneficiaries and others being beneficiaries.
No one has ever mentioned having your cake and eat it .
The EU needs to revise the method by which it allocates costs and in addition end free movement of people..
bit rich that pat..... because northern ireland, where you came from, happens to be a net beneficiary of EU money
Cumbria, where you use to live, happens to be a net beneficiary of EU money (you know that new airport that just opened in Carlisle, guess who have put some "regen" money into that?)
so actually it more regionalised than you think....
Hello. I am just being realistic. A few countries are net contributors to the EU and I assume that by default they are subsidising the net beneficiaries. As the UK is a net contributor to EU finding you cannot claim that we receive any grants. We are simply receiving back money that we paid in.
Over a long period of time the Republic of Ireland has been a net beneficiary of EU funds . In this case your statement would be valid . "
no pat... just like with the UK certain parts of the country have always subsidised other parts...
under the barnett formula.... England to a point subsidies Scotland, and Wales, and Northern Ireland the most...
same formula basically arises in the EU, so those areas who are deemed to be poorest in respect to the GDP of that country get the most regen money...
thats why northern ireland gets regen money, Scotland gets regen money. Cornwall gets regen money, South Wales gets regen money, North East England gets regen money....
in effect those places get more EU money back than those regions in effect put in.... they are net beneficiaries!!!
North West England and the west midland gets some... but they are a bit further up the list.... those places work out to be about neutral
if you want to make the point that london and the south east basically subsidises everyone else then thats fine... but thats not just an EU discussion! |
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" Anyone who has analysed the EU contribution table by country in detail would conclude that the current system is totally unfair. How can you justify some counties being net beneficiaries and others being beneficiaries.
No one has ever mentioned having your cake and eat it .
The EU needs to revise the method by which it allocates costs and in addition end free movement of people..
bit rich that pat..... because northern ireland, where you came from, happens to be a net beneficiary of EU money
Cumbria, where you use to live, happens to be a net beneficiary of EU money (you know that new airport that just opened in Carlisle, guess who have put some "regen" money into that?)
so actually it more regionalised than you think....
Hello. I am just being realistic. A few countries are net contributors to the EU and I assume that by default they are subsidising the net beneficiaries. As the UK is a net contributor to EU finding you cannot claim that we receive any grants. We are simply receiving back money that we paid in.
Over a long period of time the Republic of Ireland has been a net beneficiary of EU funds . In this case your statement would be valid .
no pat... just like with the UK certain parts of the country have always subsidised other parts...
under the barnett formula.... England to a point subsidies Scotland, and Wales, and Northern Ireland the most...
same formula basically arises in the EU, so those areas who are deemed to be poorest in respect to the GDP of that country get the most regen money...
thats why northern ireland gets regen money, Scotland gets regen money. Cornwall gets regen money, South Wales gets regen money, North East England gets regen money....
in effect those places get more EU money back than those regions in effect put in.... they are net beneficiaries!!!
North West England and the west midland gets some... but they are a bit further up the list.... those places work out to be about neutral
if you want to make the point that london and the south east basically subsidises everyone else then thats fine... but thats not just an EU discussion!"
But the overall net result is the uk and NI get less out than they put in . |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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But the overall net result is the uk and NI get less out than they put in ."
not in certain parts of the country... which is what i am trying to explain to pat!
if the conversation was "oh london and the south east subsidises everyone!" then thats a different conversation...
so next time you travel on the west midlands metro, for example.... whisper... regen money!!!  |
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But the overall net result is the uk and NI get less out than they put in .
not in certain parts of the country... which is what i am trying to explain to pat!
if the conversation was "oh london and the south east subsidises everyone!" then thats a different conversation...
so next time you travel on the west midlands metro, for example.... whisper... regen money!!! "
Regionally - agree, yes. The north east is a perfect example - it receives nearly twice as much Eu cash as other parts of uk.
As a country though, we send more than we get back
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But the overall net result is the uk and NI get less out than they put in .
not in certain parts of the country... which is what i am trying to explain to pat!
if the conversation was "oh london and the south east subsidises everyone!" then thats a different conversation...
so next time you travel on the west midlands metro, for example.... whisper... regen money!!!
Regionally - agree, yes. The north east is a perfect example - it receives nearly twice as much Eu cash as other parts of uk.
As a country though, we send more than we get back
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Exactly we get our own money back no matter what way Mr Eu (Fabio) tries to spin it!  |
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" Anyone who has analysed the EU contribution table by country in detail would conclude that the current system is totally unfair. How can you justify some counties being net beneficiaries and others being beneficiaries.
No one has ever mentioned having your cake and eat it .
The EU needs to revise the method by which it allocates costs and in addition end free movement of people..
bit rich that pat..... because northern ireland, where you came from, happens to be a net beneficiary of EU money
Cumbria, where you use to live, happens to be a net beneficiary of EU money (you know that new airport that just opened in Carlisle, guess who have put some "regen" money into that?)
so actually it more regionalised than you think....
Hello. I am just being realistic. A few countries are net contributors to the EU and I assume that by default they are subsidising the net beneficiaries. As the UK is a net contributor to EU finding you cannot claim that we receive any grants. We are simply receiving back money that we paid in.
Over a long period of time the Republic of Ireland has been a net beneficiary of EU funds . In this case your statement would be valid .
no pat... just like with the UK certain parts of the country have always subsidised other parts...
under the barnett formula.... England to a point subsidies Scotland, and Wales, and Northern Ireland the most...
same formula basically arises in the EU, so those areas who are deemed to be poorest in respect to the GDP of that country get the most regen money...
thats why northern ireland gets regen money, Scotland gets regen money. Cornwall gets regen money, South Wales gets regen money, North East England gets regen money....
in effect those places get more EU money back than those regions in effect put in.... they are net beneficiaries!!!
North West England and the west midland gets some... but they are a bit further up the list.... those places work out to be about neutral
if you want to make the point that london and the south east basically subsidises everyone else then thats fine... but thats not just an EU discussion!
But the overall net result is the uk and NI get less out than they put in ."
So do 10 other countries yet people always ignore the economic benefits of being in the Single Market and all the Free trade agreements we are part of that our membership fee gives us because that paints the true picture that doesn't fit their narrative
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The eu kitty is unfair because we put in more than we get out...
Yet our contribution also comes from a kitty.
And most people who complain about the unfairness of the eu kitty tend to do well out of the UK kitty.
And those who contribute more to the UK kitty are okay that they are net contributors to the eu kitty.
Funnily enough no one has said let's not give 350m to the eu, let's give it back to higher rate tax earners and successful companies.
It tends to get earmarked in other wealth distribution ways.
So what people who comolain about "we" being "net contributors" are really saying is "I" don't like the eu because "I'm" less of a "net benefactor" of this kitty system than if we're not part.
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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But the overall net result is the uk and NI get less out than they put in .
not in certain parts of the country... which is what i am trying to explain to pat!
if the conversation was "oh london and the south east subsidises everyone!" then thats a different conversation...
so next time you travel on the west midlands metro, for example.... whisper... regen money!!!
Regionally - agree, yes. The north east is a perfect example - it receives nearly twice as much Eu cash as other parts of uk.
As a country though, we send more than we get back
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How much does HM Treasury collect from trade in the single market . . . Corporation tax, Income Tax, NI etc?
How much will that reduce when UK is on the outside?
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But the overall net result is the uk and NI get less out than they put in .
not in certain parts of the country... which is what i am trying to explain to pat!
if the conversation was "oh london and the south east subsidises everyone!" then thats a different conversation...
so next time you travel on the west midlands metro, for example.... whisper... regen money!!!
Regionally - agree, yes. The north east is a perfect example - it receives nearly twice as much Eu cash as other parts of uk.
As a country though, we send more than we get back
How much does HM Treasury collect from trade in the single market . . . Corporation tax, Income Tax, NI etc?
How much will that reduce when UK is on the outside?
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I thought you were on holiday!?
Take a break from all of this it will do you good! |
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"The eu kitty is unfair because we put in more than we get out...
Yet our contribution also comes from a kitty.
And most people who complain about the unfairness of the eu kitty tend to do well out of the UK kitty.
And those who contribute more to the UK kitty are okay that they are net contributors to the eu kitty.
Funnily enough no one has said let's not give 350m to the eu, let's give it back to higher rate tax earners and successful companies.
It tends to get earmarked in other wealth distribution ways.
So what people who comolain about "we" being "net contributors" are really saying is "I" don't like the eu because "I'm" less of a "net benefactor" of this kitty system than if we're not part.
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Surely if the system was fair every country would contribute equally ( based on size ) and there would be no concept of being a net beneficiary. As costs are incurred how is it possible to justify any country being a net beneficiary ? If a member country wants to invest in their infrastructure let them do it themselves ( why should other members have to pay ) . |
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"The eu kitty is unfair because we put in more than we get out...
Yet our contribution also comes from a kitty.
And most people who complain about the unfairness of the eu kitty tend to do well out of the UK kitty.
And those who contribute more to the UK kitty are okay that they are net contributors to the eu kitty.
Funnily enough no one has said let's not give 350m to the eu, let's give it back to higher rate tax earners and successful companies.
It tends to get earmarked in other wealth distribution ways.
So what people who comolain about "we" being "net contributors" are really saying is "I" don't like the eu because "I'm" less of a "net benefactor" of this kitty system than if we're not part.
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Here kitty, kitty.
Just trying to find this kitty so I can get my share! Lol |
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"Living outside the EU for five nights makes me appreciate what I have on the inside.
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You mean being outside the Uk has made you appreciate what you have even though you never stop moaning about it! |
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"The eu kitty is unfair because we put in more than we get out...
Yet our contribution also comes from a kitty.
And most people who complain about the unfairness of the eu kitty tend to do well out of the UK kitty.
And those who contribute more to the UK kitty are okay that they are net contributors to the eu kitty.
Funnily enough no one has said let's not give 350m to the eu, let's give it back to higher rate tax earners and successful companies.
It tends to get earmarked in other wealth distribution ways.
So what people who comolain about "we" being "net contributors" are really saying is "I" don't like the eu because "I'm" less of a "net benefactor" of this kitty system than if we're not part.
Surely if the system was fair every country would contribute equally ( based on size ) and there would be no concept of being a net beneficiary. As costs are incurred how is it possible to justify any country being a net beneficiary ? If a member country wants to invest in their infrastructure let them do it themselves ( why should other members have to pay ) ."
If the UK system was fair there would be no net beneficiaries. I think the point you pay in more than you take out is something like 50k pa. Isn't it unfair most people get a cheap ride?
Id also hazard a guess London puts more into the kitty than it takes out. Why should they be losers when they are doing all the hard work? |
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"The eu kitty is unfair because we put in more than we get out...
Yet our contribution also comes from a kitty.
And most people who complain about the unfairness of the eu kitty tend to do well out of the UK kitty.
And those who contribute more to the UK kitty are okay that they are net contributors to the eu kitty.
Funnily enough no one has said let's not give 350m to the eu, let's give it back to higher rate tax earners and successful companies.
It tends to get earmarked in other wealth distribution ways.
So what people who comolain about "we" being "net contributors" are really saying is "I" don't like the eu because "I'm" less of a "net benefactor" of this kitty system than if we're not part.
Surely if the system was fair every country would contribute equally ( based on size ) and there would be no concept of being a net beneficiary. As costs are incurred how is it possible to justify any country being a net beneficiary ? If a member country wants to invest in their infrastructure let them do it themselves ( why should other members have to pay ) ."
Why does money in the UK get collected from the wealthiest bits and spent in the neediest bits, e.g. Northern Ireland? |
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"The eu kitty is unfair because we put in more than we get out...
Yet our contribution also comes from a kitty.
And most people who complain about the unfairness of the eu kitty tend to do well out of the UK kitty.
And those who contribute more to the UK kitty are okay that they are net contributors to the eu kitty.
Funnily enough no one has said let's not give 350m to the eu, let's give it back to higher rate tax earners and successful companies.
It tends to get earmarked in other wealth distribution ways.
So what people who comolain about "we" being "net contributors" are really saying is "I" don't like the eu because "I'm" less of a "net benefactor" of this kitty system than if we're not part.
Surely if the system was fair every country would contribute equally ( based on size ) and there would be no concept of being a net beneficiary. As costs are incurred how is it possible to justify any country being a net beneficiary ? If a member country wants to invest in their infrastructure let them do it themselves ( why should other members have to pay ) .
Why does money in the UK get collected from the wealthiest bits and spent in the neediest bits, e.g. Northern Ireland?"
How the UK allocates the taxes which it collects is a completely unrelated issue to how the EU should allocate its running costs by country . |
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"The eu kitty is unfair because we put in more than we get out...
Yet our contribution also comes from a kitty.
And most people who complain about the unfairness of the eu kitty tend to do well out of the UK kitty.
And those who contribute more to the UK kitty are okay that they are net contributors to the eu kitty.
Funnily enough no one has said let's not give 350m to the eu, let's give it back to higher rate tax earners and successful companies.
It tends to get earmarked in other wealth distribution ways.
So what people who comolain about "we" being "net contributors" are really saying is "I" don't like the eu because "I'm" less of a "net benefactor" of this kitty system than if we're not part.
Surely if the system was fair every country would contribute equally ( based on size ) and there would be no concept of being a net beneficiary. As costs are incurred how is it possible to justify any country being a net beneficiary ? If a member country wants to invest in their infrastructure let them do it themselves ( why should other members have to pay ) ."
Because, in the same way as effective overseas aid, the stronger and more secure your neighbours are then the stronger and more secure you are. It's not a pie. |
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Surely if the system was fair every country would contribute equally ( based on size ) and there would be no concept of being a net beneficiary. As costs are incurred how is it possible to justify any country being a net beneficiary ? If a member country wants to invest in their infrastructure let them do it themselves ( why should other members have to pay ) ."
If you have poor Countries as your trading partners then you most probably won't do as much trade with them but by creating a economic group that helps smaller / poorer countries become more prosperous you then open up new bigger and better trading opportunities than you otherwise would have.
Helping your "neighbours" brings you more chance of furthering you future economic successes.
Obviously many people don't wish to assist our closest neighbours ambitions to make their countries more prosperous which in turn helps us become more prosperous. |
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"The eu kitty is unfair because we put in more than we get out...
Yet our contribution also comes from a kitty.
And most people who complain about the unfairness of the eu kitty tend to do well out of the UK kitty.
And those who contribute more to the UK kitty are okay that they are net contributors to the eu kitty.
Funnily enough no one has said let's not give 350m to the eu, let's give it back to higher rate tax earners and successful companies.
It tends to get earmarked in other wealth distribution ways.
So what people who comolain about "we" being "net contributors" are really saying is "I" don't like the eu because "I'm" less of a "net benefactor" of this kitty system than if we're not part.
Surely if the system was fair every country would contribute equally ( based on size ) and there would be no concept of being a net beneficiary. As costs are incurred how is it possible to justify any country being a net beneficiary ? If a member country wants to invest in their infrastructure let them do it themselves ( why should other members have to pay ) .
If the UK system was fair there would be no net beneficiaries. I think the point you pay in more than you take out is something like 50k pa. Isn't it unfair most people get a cheap ride?
Id also hazard a guess London puts more into the kitty than it takes out. Why should they be losers when they are doing all the hard work? "
I thought we were trying to address the issue of the running costs of the EU and how they should be allocated .We already have sufficient control over how we allocate UK taxation , the issue under discussion is the fairness as to how the EU allocates its expenditure . |
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But the overall net result is the uk and NI get less out than they put in .
not in certain parts of the country... which is what i am trying to explain to pat!
if the conversation was "oh london and the south east subsidises everyone!" then thats a different conversation...
so next time you travel on the west midlands metro, for example.... whisper... regen money!!!
Regionally - agree, yes. The north east is a perfect example - it receives nearly twice as much Eu cash as other parts of uk.
As a country though, we send more than we get back
How much does HM Treasury collect from trade in the single market . . . Corporation tax, Income Tax, NI etc?
How much will that reduce when UK is on the outside?
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Surely if the system was fair every country would contribute equally ( based on size ) and there would be no concept of being a net beneficiary. As costs are incurred how is it possible to justify any country being a net beneficiary ? If a member country wants to invest in their infrastructure let them do it themselves ( why should other members have to pay ) .
If you have poor Countries as your trading partners then you most probably won't do as much trade with them but by creating a economic group that helps smaller / poorer countries become more prosperous you then open up new bigger and better trading opportunities than you otherwise would have.
Helping your "neighbours" brings you more chance of furthering you future economic successes.
Obviously many people don't wish to assist our closest neighbours ambitions to make their countries more prosperous which in turn helps us become more prosperous. "
The other side of the coin is that you might simply be helping your neighbours compete against you on more favourable terms. In any event surely the assistance given should be via loans, not grants. |
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over a year ago
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" Surely if the system was fair every country would contribute equally ( based on size ) and there would be no concept of being a net beneficiary"
that shows you have no idea... because the share a country puts in is an equal percentage to that countries GDP
Side note: because our economy % increase in GDP is now the slowest of the 27 since the referendum, as an irony the amount that we pay to the EU has actually been less...
but we shall continue...
"As costs are incurred how is it possible to justify any country being a net beneficiary ? If a member country wants to invest in their infrastructure let them do it themselves ( why should other members have to pay ) ."
Carlisle lake District Airport
Belfast george best Airport
Liverpool John Lennon Airport
The Manchester Metrolink
The Sheffield Supertram
The tyne and wear metro
Nissan in Sunderland
Hitachi in Newton Aycliffe
The West Midlands Metro
Newcastle/Gatehead Quayside
Birmingham NEC
South Wales Trains Electrification
Swansea National waterfront museum
natural history gallery at manchester museum
Birmingham International Convention Centre
Liverpool Echo Arena
National Football Museum
what do you think they all share in common.... I could name a few more like the Eden Project....
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" Surely if the system was fair every country would contribute equally ( based on size ) and there would be no concept of being a net beneficiary
that shows you have no idea... because the share a country puts in is an equal percentage to that countries GDP
Side note: because our economy % increase in GDP is now the slowest of the 27 since the referendum, as an irony the amount that we pay to the EU has actually been less...
but we shall continue...
As costs are incurred how is it possible to justify any country being a net beneficiary ? If a member country wants to invest in their infrastructure let them do it themselves ( why should other members have to pay ) .
Carlisle lake District Airport
Belfast george best Airport
Liverpool John Lennon Airport
The Manchester Metrolink
The Sheffield Supertram
The tyne and wear metro
Nissan in Sunderland
Hitachi in Newton Aycliffe
The West Midlands Metro
Newcastle/Gatehead Quayside
Birmingham NEC
South Wales Trains Electrification
Swansea National waterfront museum
natural history gallery at manchester museum
Birmingham International Convention Centre
Liverpool Echo Arena
National Football Museum
what do you think they all share in common.... I could name a few more like the Eden Project....
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Yes, European structural funding (ERDF and ESF)
Technically our own money, given back to us |
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" Surely if the system was fair every country would contribute equally ( based on size ) and there would be no concept of being a net beneficiary
that shows you have no idea... because the share a country puts in is an equal percentage to that countries GDP
Side note: because our economy % increase in GDP is now the slowest of the 27 since the referendum, as an irony the amount that we pay to the EU has actually been less...
but we shall continue...
As costs are incurred how is it possible to justify any country being a net beneficiary ? If a member country wants to invest in their infrastructure let them do it themselves ( why should other members have to pay ) .
Carlisle lake District Airport
Belfast george best Airport
Liverpool John Lennon Airport
The Manchester Metrolink
The Sheffield Supertram
The tyne and wear metro
Nissan in Sunderland
Hitachi in Newton Aycliffe
The West Midlands Metro
Newcastle/Gatehead Quayside
Birmingham NEC
South Wales Trains Electrification
Swansea National waterfront museum
natural history gallery at manchester museum
Birmingham International Convention Centre
Liverpool Echo Arena
National Football Museum
what do you think they all share in common.... I could name a few more like the Eden Project....
Yes, European structural funding (ERDF and ESF)
Technically our own money, given back to us "
Fabio thought it was a present from the Eu! Lol |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Yes, European structural funding (ERDF and ESF)
Technically our own money, given back to us "
money redistributed to the poorest regions from the richest.... which is exactly what happens in the UK under the barnett formula.....
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I was in an arcade at the seaside a while ago and decided to have a go on the penny falls with my youngest daughter. We put £5 worth of 2p coins in to get £1 worth back.
Just like being in the EU, I thought  |
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Yes, European structural funding (ERDF and ESF)
Technically our own money, given back to us
money redistributed to the poorest regions from the richest.... which is exactly what happens in the UK under the barnett formula.....
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Decisions about the budget and spending priorities of the structural funds are determined and set by the non elected officials ... so it’s no guarantee our contribution will end up back with us |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"I was in an arcade at the seaside a while ago and decided to have a go on the penny falls with my youngest daughter. We put £5 worth of 2p coins in to get £1 worth back.
Just like being in the EU, I thought "
thats what happens under the barnett formula... your money ends up being extra money elsewhere.......
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"I was in an arcade at the seaside a while ago and decided to have a go on the penny falls with my youngest daughter. We put £5 worth of 2p coins in to get £1 worth back.
Just like being in the EU, I thought
thats what happens under the barnett formula... your money ends up being extra money elsewhere.......
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Exactly, £1 stayed in the UK and £4 got distributed into Europe for someone elses benefit. So I thought the sensible thing from now on was for me to decide where my money ends up in future. Only a complete fuckwit wouldn't come to that conclusion |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"I was in an arcade at the seaside a while ago and decided to have a go on the penny falls with my youngest daughter. We put £5 worth of 2p coins in to get £1 worth back.
Just like being in the EU, I thought
thats what happens under the barnett formula... your money ends up being extra money elsewhere.......
Exactly, £1 stayed in the UK and £4 got distributed into Europe for someone elses benefit. So I thought the sensible thing from now on was for me to decide where my money ends up in future. Only a complete fuckwit wouldn't come to that conclusion "
well it would be if our government had at anypoint any sort of record that they would actually do that.... but since boris first act he said would be to give his chums a tax cut... i have zero faith that would happen....
now... where |
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But the overall net result is the uk and NI get less out than they put in .
not in certain parts of the country... which is what i am trying to explain to pat!
if the conversation was "oh london and the south east subsidises everyone!" then thats a different conversation...
so next time you travel on the west midlands metro, for example.... whisper... regen money!!!
Regionally - agree, yes. The north east is a perfect example - it receives nearly twice as much Eu cash as other parts of uk.
As a country though, we send more than we get back
Exactly we get our own money back no matter what way Mr Eu (Fabio) tries to spin it! "
Do you know where this money comes from?
Precisely through the free trade market with European countries. But to understand this, one must understand the simpler things at a slightly lower level.
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But the overall net result is the uk and NI get less out than they put in .
not in certain parts of the country... which is what i am trying to explain to pat!
if the conversation was "oh london and the south east subsidises everyone!" then thats a different conversation...
so next time you travel on the west midlands metro, for example.... whisper... regen money!!!
Regionally - agree, yes. The north east is a perfect example - it receives nearly twice as much Eu cash as other parts of uk.
As a country though, we send more than we get back
Exactly we get our own money back no matter what way Mr Eu (Fabio) tries to spin it!
Do you know where this money comes from?
Precisely through the free trade market with European countries. But to understand this, one must understand the simpler things at a slightly lower level.
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Really? How much of it? |
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But the overall net result is the uk and NI get less out than they put in .
not in certain parts of the country... which is what i am trying to explain to pat!
if the conversation was "oh london and the south east subsidises everyone!" then thats a different conversation...
so next time you travel on the west midlands metro, for example.... whisper... regen money!!!
Regionally - agree, yes. The north east is a perfect example - it receives nearly twice as much Eu cash as other parts of uk.
As a country though, we send more than we get back
Exactly we get our own money back no matter what way Mr Eu (Fabio) tries to spin it!
Do you know where this money comes from?
Precisely through the free trade market with European countries. But to understand this, one must understand the simpler things at a slightly lower level.
Really? How much of it?"
Not much |
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths. "
Of course it is not rocket science. 46 years ago, the UK took more from the EU than it paid. The UK has created strong ties with the EU for this time which can not be interrupted because some idiot wants it. That is the union. Weaker countries are supported by stronger ones. Oh, sorry, after all, the UK has always used these weaker countries or maybe it wasn't like that? |
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Of course it is not rocket science. 46 years ago, the UK took more from the EU than it paid. The UK has created strong ties with the EU for this time which can not be interrupted because some idiot wants it. That is the union. Weaker countries are supported by stronger ones. Oh, sorry, after all, the UK has always used these weaker countries or maybe it wasn't like that?"
Over the past 46 years the UK has paid substantial sums to the EU Surely the issue requiring investigation is the means by which stronger countries support the weaker ones ( if the is considered necessary ) . Should this support not be by development loans.? By helping the poorer countries you may be creating unnecessary competition against business in your own country. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Of course it is not rocket science. 46 years ago, the UK took more from the EU than it paid. The UK has created strong ties with the EU for this time which can not be interrupted because some idiot wants it. That is the union. Weaker countries are supported by stronger ones. Oh, sorry, after all, the UK has always used these weaker countries or maybe it wasn't like that?"
You need to check your facts mate we have never received more than we paid thats why mrs thacher kicked off in 1984 and got us a rebate they were taking the piss. |
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Of course it is not rocket science. 46 years ago, the UK took more from the EU than it paid. The UK has created strong ties with the EU for this time which can not be interrupted because some idiot wants it. That is the union. Weaker countries are supported by stronger ones. Oh, sorry, after all, the UK has always used these weaker countries or maybe it wasn't like that? Over the past 46 years the UK has paid substantial sums to the EU Surely the issue requiring investigation is the means by which stronger countries support the weaker ones ( if the is considered necessary ) . Should this support not be by development loans.? By helping the poorer countries you may be creating unnecessary competition against business in your own country. "
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Of course it is not rocket science. 46 years ago, the UK took more from the EU than it paid. The UK has created strong ties with the EU for this time which can not be interrupted because some idiot wants it. That is the union. Weaker countries are supported by stronger ones. Oh, sorry, after all, the UK has always used these weaker countries or maybe it wasn't like that?You need to check your facts mate we have never received more than we paid thats why mrs thacher kicked off in 1984 and got us a rebate they were taking the piss. "
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Of course it is not rocket science. 46 years ago, the UK took more from the EU than it paid. The UK has created strong ties with the EU for this time which can not be interrupted because some idiot wants it. That is the union. Weaker countries are supported by stronger ones. Oh, sorry, after all, the UK has always used these weaker countries or maybe it wasn't like that?You need to check your facts mate we have never received more than we paid thats why mrs thacher kicked off in 1984 and got us a rebate they were taking the piss.
I will leave this without comment."
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Of course it is not rocket science. 46 years ago, the UK took more from the EU than it paid. The UK has created strong ties with the EU for this time which can not be interrupted because some idiot wants it. That is the union. Weaker countries are supported by stronger ones. Oh, sorry, after all, the UK has always used these weaker countries or maybe it wasn't like that?You need to check your facts mate we have never received more than we paid thats why mrs thacher kicked off in 1984 and got us a rebate they were taking the piss.
I will leave this without comment.Best way when you are talking crap. "
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths. "
Are you including the economic gains from the Single Market and Free Trade Agreements in your simple maths?
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But the overall net result is the uk and NI get less out than they put in .
not in certain parts of the country... which is what i am trying to explain to pat!
if the conversation was "oh london and the south east subsidises everyone!" then thats a different conversation...
so next time you travel on the west midlands metro, for example.... whisper... regen money!!!
Regionally - agree, yes. The north east is a perfect example - it receives nearly twice as much Eu cash as other parts of uk.
As a country though, we send more than we get back
Exactly we get our own money back no matter what way Mr Eu (Fabio) tries to spin it!
Do you know where this money comes from?
Precisely through the free trade market with European countries. But to understand this, one must understand the simpler things at a slightly lower level.
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Of course it is not rocket science. 46 years ago, the UK took more from the EU than it paid. The UK has created strong ties with the EU for this time which can not be interrupted because some idiot wants it. That is the union. Weaker countries are supported by stronger ones. Oh, sorry, after all, the UK has always used these weaker countries or maybe it wasn't like that?You need to check your facts mate we have never received more than we paid thats why mrs thacher kicked off in 1984 and got us a rebate they were taking the piss.
I will leave this without comment.Best way when you are talking crap.
I just used brexiters way. I did not even know it was so easy "
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"I was in an arcade at the seaside a while ago and decided to have a go on the penny falls with my youngest daughter. We put £5 worth of 2p coins in to get £1 worth back.
Just like being in the EU, I thought
thats what happens under the barnett formula... your money ends up being extra money elsewhere.......
Exactly, £1 stayed in the UK and £4 got distributed into Europe for someone elses benefit. So I thought the sensible thing from now on was for me to decide where my money ends up in future. Only a complete fuckwit wouldn't come to that conclusion "
The missing bits of this story.
Your daughter only put 50p of the fiver in. You generously gave her all £1 you got back.
You're okay with that. Your daughter needs the money more than you. It's good for the town if the fairground is running. You benefit from being in a vibrant town.
But your daughter (who is up 50p) is pissed the family has lost money. She throws a hissy fit and demands to leave. Her vite counts as much as yours even though you put in more than her. That's family democracy. |
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"I was in an arcade at the seaside a while ago and decided to have a go on the penny falls with my youngest daughter. We put £5 worth of 2p coins in to get £1 worth back.
Just like being in the EU, I thought
thats what happens under the barnett formula... your money ends up being extra money elsewhere.......
Exactly, £1 stayed in the UK and £4 got distributed into Europe for someone elses benefit. So I thought the sensible thing from now on was for me to decide where my money ends up in future. Only a complete fuckwit wouldn't come to that conclusion
The missing bits of this story.
Your daughter only put 50p of the fiver in. You generously gave her all £1 you got back.
You're okay with that. Your daughter needs the money more than you. It's good for the town if the fairground is running. You benefit from being in a vibrant town.
But your daughter (who is up 50p) is pissed the family has lost money. She throws a hissy fit and demands to leave. Her vite counts as much as yours even though you put in more than her. That's family democracy. "
The missing bit of that follow up story is ... he actually put in £5 to start with
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But the overall net result is the uk and NI get less out than they put in .
not in certain parts of the country... which is what i am trying to explain to pat!
if the conversation was "oh london and the south east subsidises everyone!" then thats a different conversation...
so next time you travel on the west midlands metro, for example.... whisper... regen money!!!
Regionally - agree, yes. The north east is a perfect example - it receives nearly twice as much Eu cash as other parts of uk.
As a country though, we send more than we get back
Exactly we get our own money back no matter what way Mr Eu (Fabio) tries to spin it!
Do you know where this money comes from?
Precisely through the free trade market with European countries. But to understand this, one must understand the simpler things at a slightly lower level.
Come back and tell me about it when you understand people have different opinions, they don't have to agree with you! "
It does not make sense because brexiters don't respect and don't understand someone else's opinion |
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"I was in an arcade at the seaside a while ago and decided to have a go on the penny falls with my youngest daughter. We put £5 worth of 2p coins in to get £1 worth back.
Just like being in the EU, I thought
thats what happens under the barnett formula... your money ends up being extra money elsewhere.......
Exactly, £1 stayed in the UK and £4 got distributed into Europe for someone elses benefit. So I thought the sensible thing from now on was for me to decide where my money ends up in future. Only a complete fuckwit wouldn't come to that conclusion
The missing bits of this story.
Your daughter only put 50p of the fiver in. You generously gave her all £1 you got back.
You're okay with that. Your daughter needs the money more than you. It's good for the town if the fairground is running. You benefit from being in a vibrant town.
But your daughter (who is up 50p) is pissed the family has lost money. She throws a hissy fit and demands to leave. Her vite counts as much as yours even though you put in more than her. That's family democracy.
The missing bit of that follow up story is ... he actually put in £5 to start with
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I mentioned that. He ws the main contributor to the pot. And when asked if he wanted to leave the fairground, despite seeing his pot go to the fairground, and despite the returns they did get going to his daughter, he was happy. His daughter got pissed on his behalf. Presumably because she felt she would have got more off her generous old man if they'd not spent it that way. |
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"I was in an arcade at the seaside a while ago and decided to have a go on the penny falls with my youngest daughter. We put £5 worth of 2p coins in to get £1 worth back.
Just like being in the EU, I thought
thats what happens under the barnett formula... your money ends up being extra money elsewhere.......
Exactly, £1 stayed in the UK and £4 got distributed into Europe for someone elses benefit. So I thought the sensible thing from now on was for me to decide where my money ends up in future. Only a complete fuckwit wouldn't come to that conclusion
The missing bits of this story.
Your daughter only put 50p of the fiver in. You generously gave her all £1 you got back.
You're okay with that. Your daughter needs the money more than you. It's good for the town if the fairground is running. You benefit from being in a vibrant town.
But your daughter (who is up 50p) is pissed the family has lost money. She throws a hissy fit and demands to leave. Her vite counts as much as yours even though you put in more than her. That's family democracy.
The missing bit of that follow up story is ... he actually put in £5 to start with
I mentioned that. He ws the main contributor to the pot. And when asked if he wanted to leave the fairground, despite seeing his pot go to the fairground, and despite the returns they did get going to his daughter, he was happy. His daughter got pissed on his behalf. Presumably because she felt she would have got more off her generous old man if they'd not spent it that way. "
Lol
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The father is London and the SE.
The daughter is north.
Or maybe the father are the top earners and the daughter are the lower earners.
Whichever way the father is the group who pays a disproportionately high amount per capita as taxes. The daughter less so. |
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After brexit can we expect tax revenues from the beautiful south spent on the beautiful southerners.
Northern taxes for northern projects .
Brumies and Yam yam taxes spent on central England.
Seems legit that each region only gets what they generate...
No more hand outs .Every region for themselves..I would vote for that .. |
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"The father is London and the SE.
The daughter is north.
Or maybe the father are the top earners and the daughter are the lower earners.
Whichever way the father is the group who pays a disproportionately high amount per capita as taxes. The daughter less so. "
Oooo even more confusion
I thought this analogy was to do with uk money going in to Eu?
Anyway ...
Just one more thing ... what about ni, wales and Scotland - are there more brothers and sisters ? If so then surely the father is then actually paying in less as he has quite a few more siblings contributing ??
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"The father is London and the SE.
The daughter is north.
Or maybe the father are the top earners and the daughter are the lower earners.
Whichever way the father is the group who pays a disproportionately high amount per capita as taxes. The daughter less so.
Oooo even more confusion
I thought this analogy was to do with uk money going in to Eu?
Anyway ...
Just one more thing ... what about ni, wales and Scotland - are there more brothers and sisters ? If so then surely the father is then actually paying in less as he has quite a few more siblings contributing ??
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I'm guessing you don't have kids?! The buggers never contribute, it's always coming out of my pocket!
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"After brexit can we expect tax revenues from the beautiful south spent on the beautiful southerners.
Northern taxes for northern projects .
Brumies and Yam yam taxes spent on central England.
Seems legit that each region only gets what they generate...
No more hand outs .Every region for themselves..I would vote for that .. "
it would get my vote aswell but I’d want a big wall like out of game of thrones to keep the southerners out we could build it ourselves after all we build most things down south anyway and don’t come looking for work on it bob you can foook offff lol |
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"After brexit can we expect tax revenues from the beautiful south spent on the beautiful southerners.
Northern taxes for northern projects .
Brumies and Yam yam taxes spent on central England.
Seems legit that each region only gets what they generate...
No more hand outs .Every region for themselves..I would vote for that .. it would get my vote aswell but I’d want a big wall like out of game of thrones to keep the southerners out we could build it ourselves after all we build most things down south anyway and don’t come looking for work on it bob you can foook offff lol "
Sounds good we down south will even pay for your wall as you'll be keeping the wildlings and the white walkers in the far north from crossing over.
We should go back to the old kingdoms.Wessex taxes for Wessex people.Lets all look after our own.
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"After brexit can we expect tax revenues from the beautiful south spent on the beautiful southerners.
Northern taxes for northern projects .
Brumies and Yam yam taxes spent on central England.
Seems legit that each region only gets what they generate...
No more hand outs .Every region for themselves..I would vote for that .. it would get my vote aswell but I’d want a big wall like out of game of thrones to keep the southerners out we could build it ourselves after all we build most things down south anyway and don’t come looking for work on it bob you can foook offff lol
Sounds good we down south will even pay for your wall as you'll be keeping the wildlings and the white walkers in the far north from crossing over.
We should go back to the old kingdoms.Wessex taxes for Wessex people.Lets all look after our own.
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in other words we will be on guard duty employed by the south min wage zero hr contacts ffs nothing changes have you got a spare room bob lol |
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"After brexit can we expect tax revenues from the beautiful south spent on the beautiful southerners.
Northern taxes for northern projects .
Brumies and Yam yam taxes spent on central England.
Seems legit that each region only gets what they generate...
No more hand outs .Every region for themselves..I would vote for that .. it would get my vote aswell but I’d want a big wall like out of game of thrones to keep the southerners out we could build it ourselves after all we build most things down south anyway and don’t come looking for work on it bob you can foook offff lol
Sounds good we down south will even pay for your wall as you'll be keeping the wildlings and the white walkers in the far north from crossing over.
We should go back to the old kingdoms.Wessex taxes for Wessex people.Lets all look after our own.
in other words we will be on guard duty employed by the south min wage zero hr contacts ffs nothing changes have you got a spare room bob lol "
Yeah you claim asylum and more to the south coast .We welcome all but you'll have to bend the knee and worship our gods. |
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"After brexit can we expect tax revenues from the beautiful south spent on the beautiful southerners.
Northern taxes for northern projects .
Brumies and Yam yam taxes spent on central England.
Seems legit that each region only gets what they generate...
No more hand outs .Every region for themselves..I would vote for that .. it would get my vote aswell but I’d want a big wall like out of game of thrones to keep the southerners out we could build it ourselves after all we build most things down south anyway and don’t come looking for work on it bob you can foook offff lol
Sounds good we down south will even pay for your wall as you'll be keeping the wildlings and the white walkers in the far north from crossing over.
We should go back to the old kingdoms.Wessex taxes for Wessex people.Lets all look after our own.
in other words we will be on guard duty employed by the south min wage zero hr contacts ffs nothing changes have you got a spare room bob lol
Yeah you claim asylum and more to the south coast .We welcome all but you'll have to bend the knee and worship our gods. "
lmfaooo bobbbb I’m from the north we we don’t bend the knee for man nor beast you know that I’d rather have the leg off you can piss of now I was going to put your name forward for pointing the wall paid by the yard but you’ve blew it mate |
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But the overall net result is the uk and NI get less out than they put in .
not in certain parts of the country... which is what i am trying to explain to pat!
if the conversation was "oh london and the south east subsidises everyone!" then thats a different conversation...
so next time you travel on the west midlands metro, for example.... whisper... regen money!!!
Regionally - agree, yes. The north east is a perfect example - it receives nearly twice as much Eu cash as other parts of uk.
As a country though, we send more than we get back
Exactly we get our own money back no matter what way Mr Eu (Fabio) tries to spin it!
Do you know where this money comes from?
Precisely through the free trade market with European countries. But to understand this, one must understand the simpler things at a slightly lower level.
Come back and tell me about it when you understand people have different opinions, they don't have to agree with you!
It does not make sense because brexiters don't respect and don't understand someone else's opinion "
It makes sense because you always say " you don't agree with me you must be stupid" or words to that effect so if anyone lacks respect it is you, go and check your posts if you doubt me! |
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"I was in an arcade at the seaside a while ago and decided to have a go on the penny falls with my youngest daughter. We put £5 worth of 2p coins in to get £1 worth back.
Just like being in the EU, I thought
thats what happens under the barnett formula... your money ends up being extra money elsewhere.......
Exactly, £1 stayed in the UK and £4 got distributed into Europe for someone elses benefit. So I thought the sensible thing from now on was for me to decide where my money ends up in future. Only a complete fuckwit wouldn't come to that conclusion
The missing bits of this story.
Your daughter only put 50p of the fiver in. You generously gave her all £1 you got back.
You're okay with that. Your daughter needs the money more than you. It's good for the town if the fairground is running. You benefit from being in a vibrant town.
But your daughter (who is up 50p) is pissed the family has lost money. She throws a hissy fit and demands to leave. Her vite counts as much as yours even though you put in more than her. That's family democracy. "
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Not when you add the benefits of trade agreements, etc, etc. Maybe think beyond sound bites and you might get somewhere."
Quantify the benefits... what’s the value ? |
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Not when you add the benefits of trade agreements, etc, etc. Maybe think beyond sound bites and you might get somewhere.
Quantify the benefits... what’s the value ?"
If I gave you the details you'd tell me it was expert opinion and therefore all made up. |
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Not when you add the benefits of trade agreements, etc, etc. Maybe think beyond sound bites and you might get somewhere.
Quantify the benefits... what’s the value ?
If I gave you the details you'd tell me it was expert opinion and therefore all made up."
Oh go on.. you know you want to... you must have it there on a spreadsheet
I promise I won’t say it’s made up
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Not when you add the benefits of trade agreements, etc, etc. Maybe think beyond sound bites and you might get somewhere."
You are qualifying your answer with sound bits What are the benefits that we did not have before we joined? i would love to know. |
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Here's the way I look at it. The eu contribution net of rebate and receipts is about 1% of tax revenue. So at best we may have 1% more tax to spread around.
However in my mind it wouldn't take a great shock to the economy to reduce tax income by 1%. NI and income tax is c a third of receipts. We're at v low employment. So it wouldn't take that much of a change to lose 3%. It wouldn't take much in stagnation of wages to lose 3%.
Maybe it's project fear, but there is a fair amount of downside risk, all to save 1ish% of tax spend.
And is it project fear? Tractor quoted a vocal leaver who was concerned about the economy... |
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All the number crunching, is meaningless,we are leaving, business will adapt, the people will adapt,the world will adapt ffs even my cat will adapt, we have been through far worse, and you know what we adapt. |
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Not when you add the benefits of trade agreements, etc, etc. Maybe think beyond sound bites and you might get somewhere."
Are the UK not the net losers in this scenario. We purchase more from the EU than they do from us and as such we lose out on the collection of import tariffs ? This is hardly a benefit to the UK treasury losing revenue . |
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Not when you add the benefits of trade agreements, etc, etc. Maybe think beyond sound bites and you might get somewhere. Are the UK not the net losers in this scenario. We purchase more from the EU than they do from us and as such we lose out on the collection of import tariffs ? This is hardly a benefit to the UK treasury losing revenue . "
But no tariffs are a positive to the people buying them... Brexit... Raising taxes |
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Not when you add the benefits of trade agreements, etc, etc. Maybe think beyond sound bites and you might get somewhere. Are the UK not the net losers in this scenario. We purchase more from the EU than they do from us and as such we lose out on the collection of import tariffs ? This is hardly a benefit to the UK treasury losing revenue . "
OK then so we have import and export tarrifs so we then export less if we then become more expensive than other countries because of applied tarrifs, |
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Not when you add the benefits of trade agreements, etc, etc. Maybe think beyond sound bites and you might get somewhere. Are the UK not the net losers in this scenario. We purchase more from the EU than they do from us and as such we lose out on the collection of import tariffs ? This is hardly a benefit to the UK treasury losing revenue .
OK then so we have import and export tarrifs so we then export less if we then become more expensive than other countries because of applied tarrifs, "
But if all countries apply these tariffs at consistent rates the emphasis is on how competitive the manufactured product is not the tariff applied |
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Not when you add the benefits of trade agreements, etc, etc. Maybe think beyond sound bites and you might get somewhere. Are the UK not the net losers in this scenario. We purchase more from the EU than they do from us and as such we lose out on the collection of import tariffs ? This is hardly a benefit to the UK treasury losing revenue .
OK then so we have import and export tarrifs so we then export less if we then become more expensive than other countries because of applied tarrifs, But if all countries apply these tariffs at consistent rates the emphasis is on how competitive the manufactured product is not the tariff applied "
But thats not how it works in real life... So it's an odd point to make |
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Not when you add the benefits of trade agreements, etc, etc. Maybe think beyond sound bites and you might get somewhere. Are the UK not the net losers in this scenario. We purchase more from the EU than they do from us and as such we lose out on the collection of import tariffs ? This is hardly a benefit to the UK treasury losing revenue .
OK then so we have import and export tarrifs so we then export less if we then become more expensive than other countries because of applied tarrifs, But if all countries apply these tariffs at consistent rates the emphasis is on how competitive the manufactured product is not the tariff applied
But thats not how it works in real life... So it's an odd point to make"
If the tariff is an insignificant about the back up service for a product might be far more important than the cost. If you buy a tractor for a agricultural contracting business your key concern will be how reliable the product is and how good the back up service is in the event of a break down . |
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Not when you add the benefits of trade agreements, etc, etc. Maybe think beyond sound bites and you might get somewhere. Are the UK not the net losers in this scenario. We purchase more from the EU than they do from us and as such we lose out on the collection of import tariffs ? This is hardly a benefit to the UK treasury losing revenue .
OK then so we have import and export tarrifs so we then export less if we then become more expensive than other countries because of applied tarrifs, But if all countries apply these tariffs at consistent rates the emphasis is on how competitive the manufactured product is not the tariff applied
But thats not how it works in real life... So it's an odd point to make If the tariff is an insignificant about the back up service for a product might be far more important than the cost. If you buy a tractor for a agricultural contracting business your key concern will be how reliable the product is and how good the back up service is in the event of a break down ."
If something has extra value, that should be factored into today's price. Your tractor company is leaving profit at the table atm if they can add a tariff and yet see no drop in demand. |
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"All the number crunching, is meaningless,we are leaving, business will adapt, the people will adapt,the world will adapt ffs even my cat will adapt, we have been through far worse, and you know what we adapt."
We'll see |
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Not when you add the benefits of trade agreements, etc, etc. Maybe think beyond sound bites and you might get somewhere.You are qualifying your answer with sound bits What are the benefits that we did not have before we joined? i would love to know. "
Go read one of about 200 threads on here. |
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Not when you add the benefits of trade agreements, etc, etc. Maybe think beyond sound bites and you might get somewhere. Are the UK not the net losers in this scenario. We purchase more from the EU than they do from us and as such we lose out on the collection of import tariffs ? This is hardly a benefit to the UK treasury losing revenue .
OK then so we have import and export tarrifs so we then export less if we then become more expensive than other countries because of applied tarrifs,
But if all countries apply these tariffs at consistent rates the emphasis is on how competitive the manufactured product is not the tariff applied "
That's assuming other countries still bought from us and paid higher prices because of tarrifs isn't it.
More likely if they can buy the similar products within their trading block cheaper because of no tarrifs then we lose that trade. |
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"All the number crunching, is meaningless,we are leaving, business will adapt, the people will adapt,the world will adapt ffs even my cat will adapt, we have been through far worse, and you know what we adapt."
Such an odd answer.
It's crap but we will survive it and it could be worse.
We do not have to do it at all.
It does not have to be even slightly more crap. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"The first speech to the Euro Parliament by a Brexit Party MEP - and she compares Britons to slaves rising up against plantation owners.
"There is a pattern consistent throughout history of oppressed people turning on their oppressors, slaves against their owners, the peasantry against the feudal barons, colonies against their empires and that is why Britain is leaving," she said.
The irony meter just exploded.
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If this is how she and her supporters feel, then you can start to see the lack of empathy this entails.
Believing that there is an equivalence.
That's why, for instance, it seems so hard for a person like this to see why someone caught up in conflict or starvation or poverty might risk everything to find a better life somewhere else... |
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"Its not rocket science we pay more than we receive simple maths.
Not when you add the benefits of trade agreements, etc, etc. Maybe think beyond sound bites and you might get somewhere. Are the UK not the net losers in this scenario. We purchase more from the EU than they do from us and as such we lose out on the collection of import tariffs ? This is hardly a benefit to the UK treasury losing revenue .
OK then so we have import and export tarrifs so we then export less if we then become more expensive than other countries because of applied tarrifs, "
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I prefer the tariffs to be honest, used wisely they work well but the goal should always be productivity gains as that is where true wealth lies. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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More idiotic outpourings from the Brexit Party.
One of their MEPs wants Britain to declare a 200-mile exclusion zone for fisheries and get the Royal Navy to sink any EU vessel that enters.
Or "do a Belgrano" as he put it.
These people are an embarrassment.
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