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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
French farmers are out protesting about the amount of beef that will come into europe already.Others in the eu are saying they are trading cars for rain forest destruction.Irish farmers say they will be hit too.20 years to do this deal but will it get ratified? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
So, are you saying that individual countries might assert their sovereignty as in the TTIP with the USA and block it?
That's not possible is it? I mean, that would mean that the EU was not some all powerful organisation that forced poor defenceless countries to do things against their will.
You can't have it both ways.
Although cognitive dissonance does rock!  |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"So, are you saying that individual countries might assert their sovereignty as in the TTIP with the USA and block it?
That's not possible is it? I mean, that would mean that the EU was not some all powerful organisation that forced poor defenceless countries to do things against their will.
You can't have it both ways.
Although cognitive dissonance does rock! "
Mate if the french farmers dont want it it wont happen 20 years down the drain.Another reason for doing our own deals as ive said before one size doesn't fit all. |
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over a year ago
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One size isn't a perfect fit for all. Question is, how close a fit are we to the wider eu, and what is the trade off of scale versus bespokeness.
My guess is if we thought we'd be in the eu, we'd have beef farmers raising a concern as we're not that different... |
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"One size isn't a perfect fit for all. Question is, how close a fit are we to the wider eu, and what is the trade off of scale versus bespokeness.
My guess is if we thought we'd be in the eu, we'd have beef farmers raising a concern as we're not that different... "
Concerns were raised by the farming unions in the UK - well before the result of the 2016 referendum |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"One size isn't a perfect fit for all. Question is, how close a fit are we to the wider eu, and what is the trade off of scale versus bespokeness.
My guess is if we thought we'd be in the eu, we'd have beef farmers raising a concern as we're not that different...
Concerns were raised by the farming unions in the UK - well before the result of the 2016 referendum"
The farming unions demanding and being offered subsidies? |
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"One size isn't a perfect fit for all. Question is, how close a fit are we to the wider eu, and what is the trade off of scale versus bespokeness.
My guess is if we thought we'd be in the eu, we'd have beef farmers raising a concern as we're not that different...
Concerns were raised by the farming unions in the UK - well before the result of the 2016 referendum
The farming unions demanding and being offered subsidies?"
raising concerns about the trade deal allowing cheap South American meat in to the UK... |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"One size isn't a perfect fit for all. Question is, how close a fit are we to the wider eu, and what is the trade off of scale versus bespokeness.
My guess is if we thought we'd be in the eu, we'd have beef farmers raising a concern as we're not that different...
Concerns were raised by the farming unions in the UK - well before the result of the 2016 referendum
The farming unions demanding and being offered subsidies?
raising concerns about the trade deal allowing cheap South American meat in to the UK... "
Did our government do anything about it?
Our government. |
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"One size isn't a perfect fit for all. Question is, how close a fit are we to the wider eu, and what is the trade off of scale versus bespokeness.
My guess is if we thought we'd be in the eu, we'd have beef farmers raising a concern as we're not that different...
Concerns were raised by the farming unions in the UK - well before the result of the 2016 referendum
The farming unions demanding and being offered subsidies?
raising concerns about the trade deal allowing cheap South American meat in to the UK...
Did our government do anything about it?
Our government."
Cut to the chase ... what point would you like to make? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"French farmers are out protesting about the amount of beef that will come into europe already.Others in the eu are saying they are trading cars for rain forest destruction.Irish farmers say they will be hit too.20 years to do this deal but will it get ratified? "
Will it fuck get ratified, Eurocrats will keep on arguing the toss until the US loses patience and bins it... |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"One size isn't a perfect fit for all. Question is, how close a fit are we to the wider eu, and what is the trade off of scale versus bespokeness.
My guess is if we thought we'd be in the eu, we'd have beef farmers raising a concern as we're not that different...
Concerns were raised by the farming unions in the UK - well before the result of the 2016 referendum
The farming unions demanding and being offered subsidies?
raising concerns about the trade deal allowing cheap South American meat in to the UK...
Did our government do anything about it?
Our government.
Cut to the chase ... what point would you like to make?"
I've already made it very clear.
If our farmers aren't happy, what have our government done to protect them?
If nothing now, why will they look after them when the USA comes knocking?
What point are you making? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"French farmers are out protesting about the amount of beef that will come into europe already.Others in the eu are saying they are trading cars for rain forest destruction.Irish farmers say they will be hit too.20 years to do this deal but will it get ratified?
Will it fuck get ratified, Eurocrats will keep on arguing the toss until the US loses patience and bins it..."
This deal is not with the USA.
Why do you have an opinion if you don't know what the topic is?
Did Canada or Japan bin their deals with the EU? |
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"One size isn't a perfect fit for all. Question is, how close a fit are we to the wider eu, and what is the trade off of scale versus bespokeness.
My guess is if we thought we'd be in the eu, we'd have beef farmers raising a concern as we're not that different...
Concerns were raised by the farming unions in the UK - well before the result of the 2016 referendum
The farming unions demanding and being offered subsidies?
raising concerns about the trade deal allowing cheap South American meat in to the UK...
Did our government do anything about it?
Our government.
Cut to the chase ... what point would you like to make?
I've already made it very clear.
If our farmers aren't happy, what have our government done to protect them?
If nothing now, why will they look after them when the USA comes knocking?
What point are you making?"
One size doesn’t fit all.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"One size isn't a perfect fit for all. Question is, how close a fit are we to the wider eu, and what is the trade off of scale versus bespokeness.
My guess is if we thought we'd be in the eu, we'd have beef farmers raising a concern as we're not that different...
Concerns were raised by the farming unions in the UK - well before the result of the 2016 referendum
The farming unions demanding and being offered subsidies?
raising concerns about the trade deal allowing cheap South American meat in to the UK...
Did our government do anything about it?
Our government.
Cut to the chase ... what point would you like to make?
I've already made it very clear.
If our farmers aren't happy, what have our government done to protect them?
If nothing now, why will they look after them when the USA comes knocking?
What point are you making?
One size doesn’t fit all.
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So if we struck a trade deal we shouldn't compromise on anything that effects any industry?
No compromise "negotiation"? |
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"One size isn't a perfect fit for all. Question is, how close a fit are we to the wider eu, and what is the trade off of scale versus bespokeness.
My guess is if we thought we'd be in the eu, we'd have beef farmers raising a concern as we're not that different...
Concerns were raised by the farming unions in the UK - well before the result of the 2016 referendum
The farming unions demanding and being offered subsidies?
raising concerns about the trade deal allowing cheap South American meat in to the UK...
Did our government do anything about it?
Our government.
Cut to the chase ... what point would you like to make?
I've already made it very clear.
If our farmers aren't happy, what have our government done to protect them?
If nothing now, why will they look after them when the USA comes knocking?
What point are you making?
One size doesn’t fit all.
So if we struck a trade deal we shouldn't compromise on anything that effects any industry?
No compromise "negotiation"?"
Of course compromise and negotiation are a necessity, however that becomes so much more difficult when you have 27 (possibly more to come) interests at the table.
Which is the original point of discussion (nothing to do with British farmers interests) -
Will the EU -S American deal get ratified.
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"One size isn't a perfect fit for all. Question is, how close a fit are we to the wider eu, and what is the trade off of scale versus bespokeness.
My guess is if we thought we'd be in the eu, we'd have beef farmers raising a concern as we're not that different...
Concerns were raised by the farming unions in the UK - well before the result of the 2016 referendum
The farming unions demanding and being offered subsidies?
raising concerns about the trade deal allowing cheap South American meat in to the UK...
Did our government do anything about it?
Our government.
Cut to the chase ... what point would you like to make?
I've already made it very clear.
If our farmers aren't happy, what have our government done to protect them?
If nothing now, why will they look after them when the USA comes knocking?
What point are you making?
One size doesn’t fit all.
So if we struck a trade deal we shouldn't compromise on anything that effects any industry?
No compromise "negotiation"?
Of course compromise and negotiation are a necessity, however that becomes so much more difficult when you have 27 (possibly more to come) interests at the table.
Which is the original point of discussion (nothing to do with British farmers interests) -
Will the EU -S American deal get ratified.
"
It may or may not get ratified as is but, if not, they will simply keep negotiating until they get a deal both sides are happy with, unless one side draws unrealistic red lines; in which case they'll never get a deal.
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"One size isn't a perfect fit for all. Question is, how close a fit are we to the wider eu, and what is the trade off of scale versus bespokeness.
My guess is if we thought we'd be in the eu, we'd have beef farmers raising a concern as we're not that different...
Concerns were raised by the farming unions in the UK - well before the result of the 2016 referendum
The farming unions demanding and being offered subsidies?
raising concerns about the trade deal allowing cheap South American meat in to the UK...
Did our government do anything about it?
Our government.
Cut to the chase ... what point would you like to make?
I've already made it very clear.
If our farmers aren't happy, what have our government done to protect them?
If nothing now, why will they look after them when the USA comes knocking?
What point are you making?
One size doesn’t fit all.
So if we struck a trade deal we shouldn't compromise on anything that effects any industry?
No compromise "negotiation"?
Of course compromise and negotiation are a necessity, however that becomes so much more difficult when you have 27 (possibly more to come) interests at the table.
Which is the original point of discussion (nothing to do with British farmers interests) -
Will the EU -S American deal get ratified.
It may or may not get ratified as is but, if not, they will simply keep negotiating until they get a deal both sides are happy with, unless one side draws unrealistic red lines; in which case they'll never get a deal.
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Im sure they will after all they are not going to give up after 20 years of negotiation. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"One size isn't a perfect fit for all. Question is, how close a fit are we to the wider eu, and what is the trade off of scale versus bespokeness.
My guess is if we thought we'd be in the eu, we'd have beef farmers raising a concern as we're not that different...
Concerns were raised by the farming unions in the UK - well before the result of the 2016 referendum
The farming unions demanding and being offered subsidies?
raising concerns about the trade deal allowing cheap South American meat in to the UK...
Did our government do anything about it?
Our government.
Cut to the chase ... what point would you like to make?
I've already made it very clear.
If our farmers aren't happy, what have our government done to protect them?
If nothing now, why will they look after them when the USA comes knocking?
What point are you making?
One size doesn’t fit all.
So if we struck a trade deal we shouldn't compromise on anything that effects any industry?
No compromise "negotiation"?
Of course compromise and negotiation are a necessity, however that becomes so much more difficult when you have 27 (possibly more to come) interests at the table.
Which is the original point of discussion (nothing to do with British farmers interests) -
Will the EU -S American deal get ratified.
"
If difficult don't do it? |
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"One size isn't a perfect fit for all. Question is, how close a fit are we to the wider eu, and what is the trade off of scale versus bespokeness.
My guess is if we thought we'd be in the eu, we'd have beef farmers raising a concern as we're not that different...
Concerns were raised by the farming unions in the UK - well before the result of the 2016 referendum
The farming unions demanding and being offered subsidies?
raising concerns about the trade deal allowing cheap South American meat in to the UK...
Did our government do anything about it?
Our government.
Cut to the chase ... what point would you like to make?
I've already made it very clear.
If our farmers aren't happy, what have our government done to protect them?
If nothing now, why will they look after them when the USA comes knocking?
What point are you making?
One size doesn’t fit all.
So if we struck a trade deal we shouldn't compromise on anything that effects any industry?
No compromise "negotiation"?
Of course compromise and negotiation are a necessity, however that becomes so much more difficult when you have 27 (possibly more to come) interests at the table.
Which is the original point of discussion (nothing to do with British farmers interests) -
Will the EU -S American deal get ratified.
If difficult don't do it?"
Will the EU - S American deal get ratified? |
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