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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. " Your scratching at the bottom of the barrel pat, given putins record on many things he is hardly the person to be eulogising over such things about.. Unless of course your fine with state sponsored murder, media and political oppression, journalists being murdered who critics his regime, massive homophobia etc.. At a time when hate crime is on the rise to use the language you do about 'minorities' is telling of your thoughts.. Respecting others differences is not a Liberal thing, its about decency and tolerance which should be across the board.. | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. Your scratching at the bottom of the barrel pat, given putins record on many things he is hardly the person to be eulogising over such things about.. Unless of course your fine with state sponsored murder, media and political oppression, journalists being murdered who critics his regime, massive homophobia etc.. At a time when hate crime is on the rise to use the language you do about 'minorities' is telling of your thoughts.. Respecting others differences is not a Liberal thing, its about decency and tolerance which should be across the board.. " Hi. The various issues which you raise are not related to the original post and would be the subject of another thread should you wish to raise one. The issue at stake is that the silent majority are fed up with discrimination in favour of various minority groups. It is entirely wrong that those who shout loudest expect us to accept their beliefs as the norm. No one has suggested that anyone should be discriminated against or not treated equally, it has simply been suggested that liberalism has had its day and the voices of the silent majority are more important than those of vocal groups . | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. Your scratching at the bottom of the barrel pat, given putins record on many things he is hardly the person to be eulogising over such things about.. Unless of course your fine with state sponsored murder, media and political oppression, journalists being murdered who critics his regime, massive homophobia etc.. At a time when hate crime is on the rise to use the language you do about 'minorities' is telling of your thoughts.. Respecting others differences is not a Liberal thing, its about decency and tolerance which should be across the board.. Hi. The various issues which you raise are not related to the original post and would be the subject of another thread should you wish to raise one. The issue at stake is that the silent majority are fed up with discrimination in favour of various minority groups. It is entirely wrong that those who shout loudest expect us to accept their beliefs as the norm. No one has suggested that anyone should be discriminated against or not treated equally, it has simply been suggested that liberalism has had its day and the voices of the silent majority are more important than those of vocal groups . " No your wrong so deal with the points raised in your quoting of Putin, his record on such things is very relevant to his comments your agreeing with.. Perhaps you could indicate just whom you think these minorities are? Maybe even extrapolate on how you as one of this silent majority have been affected by such minorities dictating, what exactly? | |||
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"Yeah sure, white people have had enough, it's time to go back to the good old days of killing the gays, lynching the blacks and openly beating your woman in public to put her in her place. " Thats not the good old days, as that's actually happening now in predominantly Arab modern Muslim countries. Gays and LBGT people being thrown to their deaths off rooftops, women being stoned to death for adultery, its called sharia law. And to top it off so called liberals want to welcome these kinds of people into the west with open arms through uncontrolled immigration and open borders. People have woken up to it and its being rejected whether you like it or not. | |||
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"Yeah sure, white people have had enough, it's time to go back to the good old days of killing the gays, lynching the blacks and openly beating your woman in public to put her in her place. Thats not the good old days, as that's actually happening now in predominantly Arab modern Muslim countries. Gays and LBGT people being thrown to their deaths off rooftops, women being stoned to death for adultery, its called sharia law. And to top it off so called liberals want to welcome these kinds of people into the west with open arms through uncontrolled immigration and open borders. People have woken up to it and its being rejected whether you like it or not. " It is a sad reflection on the society in which we live that so many liberals are prepared to ignore this type of activity . | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. " Theresa May made some interesting points about Russia undertaking a chemical attack on our country. The Parliamentary Select Committee made some interesting comments about Russian disinformation and fake news. The FBI made some interesting comments on Presidential election interference. Is the Russian political model one which you feel that we should adore to? What aspects do you particularly feel that we aspire to? | |||
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"Yeah sure, white people have had enough, it's time to go back to the good old days of killing the gays, lynching the blacks and openly beating your woman in public to put her in her place. Thats not the good old days, as that's actually happening now in predominantly Arab modern Muslim countries. Gays and LBGT people being thrown to their deaths off rooftops, women being stoned to death for adultery, its called sharia law. And to top it off so called liberals want to welcome these kinds of people into the west with open arms through uncontrolled immigration and open borders. People have woken up to it and its being rejected whether you like it or not. It is a sad reflection on the society in which we live that so many liberals are prepared to ignore this type of activity . " It's total bollocks that the like of people eg the IS that centaur is talking about are welcomed by anyone and you have to have had your head in the sand to have not seen the condemnation across all sectors of society.. | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. Theresa May made some interesting points about Russia undertaking a chemical attack on our country. The Parliamentary Select Committee made some interesting comments about Russian disinformation and fake news. The FBI made some interesting comments on Presidential election interference. Is the Russian political model one which you feel that we should adore to? What aspects do you particularly feel that we aspire to?" Hi..i will leave you to answer those questions as they are entirely irrelevant to the original post which was concerning an interview with the Financial Times. At least concerning liberalism he is speaking for the silent majority in this country . | |||
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"Yeah sure, white people have had enough, it's time to go back to the good old days of killing the gays, lynching the blacks and openly beating your woman in public to put her in her place. Thats not the good old days, as that's actually happening now in predominantly Arab modern Muslim countries. Gays and LBGT people being thrown to their deaths off rooftops, women being stoned to death for adultery, its called sharia law. And to top it off so called liberals want to welcome these kinds of people into the west with open arms through uncontrolled immigration and open borders. People have woken up to it and its being rejected whether you like it or not. It is a sad reflection on the society in which we live that so many liberals are prepared to ignore this type of activity . It's total bollocks that the like of people eg the IS that centaur is talking about are welcomed by anyone and you have to have had your head in the sand to have not seen the condemnation across all sectors of society.. " Does the name Shamima Begum ring any Bells? It was so called liberals who were wanting to welcome her back here to the UK with open arms, knowing full well she had joined iSIS. Besides its not just iSIS that imposes many elements of Muslim sharia law, countries like Saudia Arabia still have stoning for women, state sponsored beheadings in public, and the chopping off of hands for crimes like theft. | |||
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"Yeah sure, white people have had enough, it's time to go back to the good old days of killing the gays, lynching the blacks and openly beating your woman in public to put her in her place. Thats not the good old days, as that's actually happening now in predominantly Arab modern Muslim countries. Gays and LBGT people being thrown to their deaths off rooftops, women being stoned to death for adultery, its called sharia law. And to top it off so called liberals want to welcome these kinds of people into the west with open arms through uncontrolled immigration and open borders. People have woken up to it and its being rejected whether you like it or not. It is a sad reflection on the society in which we live that so many liberals are prepared to ignore this type of activity . It's total bollocks that the like of people eg the IS that centaur is talking about are welcomed by anyone and you have to have had your head in the sand to have not seen the condemnation across all sectors of society.. Does the name Shamima Begum ring any Bells? It was so called liberals who were wanting to welcome her back here to the UK with open arms, knowing full well she had joined iSIS. Besides its not just iSIS that imposes many elements of Muslim sharia law, countries like Saudia Arabia still have stoning for women, state sponsored beheadings in public, and the chopping off of hands for crimes like theft. " Yes I recall that, as for the Saudis its the likes of the Liberal minded that have condemned your tory government still selling arms to them to bomb innocent women and children.. | |||
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" The issue at stake is that the silent majority are fed up with discrimination in favour of various minority groups. " Please give me one example where granting equal rights to others deprives you of any of yours. Just one. | |||
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" the voices of the silent majority are more important than those of vocal groups . " Ahh so you think if your in the majority then your voice is more important than a minority voice. You're quite a nice chap Aren't you  | |||
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"im all for cutting off thieving bastards hands they would only do it twice. "   | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. Theresa May made some interesting points about Russia undertaking a chemical attack on our country. The Parliamentary Select Committee made some interesting comments about Russian disinformation and fake news. The FBI made some interesting comments on Presidential election interference. Is the Russian political model one which you feel that we should adore to? What aspects do you particularly feel that we aspire to? Hi..i will leave you to answer those questions as they are entirely irrelevant to the original post which was concerning an interview with the Financial Times. At least concerning liberalism he is speaking for the silent majority in this country ." No, they are completely relevant. As we live in a democracy, then we must have voted for all of these things. How can liberals be dictators Pat? That's an oxymoron. If you do not want a liberal, rules based structure to social and international relations then what model do you want? What social and political framework would you offer as an alternative Pat? You disapprove of gay rights? We should be monocultural? No one from a different religion or ethnic background? Intermarriage should not be allowed? Is that what you propose? If not, then what? | |||
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"im all for cutting off thieving bastards hands they would only do it twice. " What if it turns out that they didn't so it? Do you say sorry? | |||
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"Yeah sure, white people have had enough, it's time to go back to the good old days of killing the gays, lynching the blacks and openly beating your woman in public to put her in her place. Thats not the good old days, as that's actually happening now in predominantly Arab modern Muslim countries. Gays and LBGT people being thrown to their deaths off rooftops, women being stoned to death for adultery, its called sharia law. And to top it off so called liberals want to welcome these kinds of people into the west with open arms through uncontrolled immigration and open borders. People have woken up to it and its being rejected whether you like it or not. It is a sad reflection on the society in which we live that so many liberals are prepared to ignore this type of activity . It's total bollocks that the like of people eg the IS that centaur is talking about are welcomed by anyone and you have to have had your head in the sand to have not seen the condemnation across all sectors of society.. Does the name Shamima Begum ring any Bells? It was so called liberals who were wanting to welcome her back here to the UK with open arms, knowing full well she had joined iSIS. Besides its not just iSIS that imposes many elements of Muslim sharia law, countries like Saudia Arabia still have stoning for women, state sponsored beheadings in public, and the chopping off of hands for crimes like theft. " Which ones Centaur? I don't particularly. I'm one of those "so called liberals". The problem is I value the rule of law. Do you? It's legally very dubious to make someone stateless. As a nation we fucked up. We didn't educate our young well enough. They became terrorists. We own it. We fix it. Perhaps with a lifetime in prison rather than make the Kurds clear up our mess. As has been stated, we love selling the Suadis billions in weapons. We're a proud independent country right? Perhaps we should tell them to stuff their money. China too right for their human rights record? Which arms companies do you want to shut down? Which other industries? | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. Theresa May made some interesting points about Russia undertaking a chemical attack on our country. The Parliamentary Select Committee made some interesting comments about Russian disinformation and fake news. The FBI made some interesting comments on Presidential election interference. Is the Russian political model one which you feel that we should adore to? What aspects do you particularly feel that we aspire to? Hi..i will leave you to answer those questions as they are entirely irrelevant to the original post which was concerning an interview with the Financial Times. At least concerning liberalism he is speaking for the silent majority in this country . No, they are completely relevant. As we live in a democracy, then we must have voted for all of these things. How can liberals be dictators Pat? That's an oxymoron. If you do not want a liberal, rules based structure to social and international relations then what model do you want? What social and political framework would you offer as an alternative Pat? You disapprove of gay rights? We should be monocultural? No one from a different religion or ethnic background? Intermarriage should not be allowed? Is that what you propose? If not, then what?" Hi . I will leave you to answer you own questions . If I was undertaking a repair on a Volvo FH gearbox , I would not expect to be asked questions on one for a Scania . They are two completely different issues . | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. Theresa May made some interesting points about Russia undertaking a chemical attack on our country. The Parliamentary Select Committee made some interesting comments about Russian disinformation and fake news. The FBI made some interesting comments on Presidential election interference. Is the Russian political model one which you feel that we should adore to? What aspects do you particularly feel that we aspire to? Hi..i will leave you to answer those questions as they are entirely irrelevant to the original post which was concerning an interview with the Financial Times. At least concerning liberalism he is speaking for the silent majority in this country ." How do you know this silent majority hold anti liberal views? They're silent, therefore an unknown quantity, nevermind holding unknown values. | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. Theresa May made some interesting points about Russia undertaking a chemical attack on our country. The Parliamentary Select Committee made some interesting comments about Russian disinformation and fake news. The FBI made some interesting comments on Presidential election interference. Is the Russian political model one which you feel that we should adore to? What aspects do you particularly feel that we aspire to? Hi..i will leave you to answer those questions as they are entirely irrelevant to the original post which was concerning an interview with the Financial Times. At least concerning liberalism he is speaking for the silent majority in this country . How do you know this silent majority hold anti liberal views? They're silent, therefore an unknown quantity, nevermind holding unknown values." I guarantee that he will leave you to answer your own questions. After all a bottle opener has nothing to do with a turnip, right?   | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. Your scratching at the bottom of the barrel pat, given putins record on many things he is hardly the person to be eulogising over such things about.. Unless of course your fine with state sponsored murder, media and political oppression, journalists being murdered who critics his regime, massive homophobia etc.. At a time when hate crime is on the rise to use the language you do about 'minorities' is telling of your thoughts.. Respecting others differences is not a Liberal thing, its about decency and tolerance which should be across the board.. Hi. The various issues which you raise are not related to the original post and would be the subject of another thread should you wish to raise one. The issue at stake is that the silent majority are fed up with discrimination in favour of various minority groups. It is entirely wrong that those who shout loudest expect us to accept their beliefs as the norm. No one has suggested that anyone should be discriminated against or not treated equally, it has simply been suggested that liberalism has had its day and the voices of the silent majority are more important than those of vocal groups . " Nobody expects you to "accept their beliefs as the norm". They just want you to respect their beliefs, their right to have them just as they respect yours. You and "the silent majority" are not the arbiters and judges of what is good, right, true and fair. We have a government for that. A government that is voted in mainly by, guess who? Your friendly favourites, the silent majority! | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. Theresa May made some interesting points about Russia undertaking a chemical attack on our country. The Parliamentary Select Committee made some interesting comments about Russian disinformation and fake news. The FBI made some interesting comments on Presidential election interference. Is the Russian political model one which you feel that we should adore to? What aspects do you particularly feel that we aspire to? Hi..i will leave you to answer those questions as they are entirely irrelevant to the original post which was concerning an interview with the Financial Times. At least concerning liberalism he is speaking for the silent majority in this country ." If they're silent, how do you know what they're saying and thinking? Despite attempts by fuckwits to stir up hatred in the UK, we are still relatively tolerant and liberal. Your analysis of Putin's thoughts has as much merit as your analysis of most other issues - none whatsoever | |||
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"I think you might be on to something, many people are disillusioned with current mainstream pushed narratives on society, you only have to look at the polling on youngsters and gay acceptance, for the first time in 40 years it's falling!." Nothing of course to do with the last few years of nasty ultra right wing bastards doing everything they can to promote hatred and set all the people of this once tolerant society at each others throats, purely so that they can increase control and make money! | |||
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"I think you might be on to something, many people are disillusioned with current mainstream pushed narratives on society, you only have to look at the polling on youngsters and gay acceptance, for the first time in 40 years it's falling!." Where is your evidence? | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. Theresa May made some interesting points about Russia undertaking a chemical attack on our country. The Parliamentary Select Committee made some interesting comments about Russian disinformation and fake news. The FBI made some interesting comments on Presidential election interference. Is the Russian political model one which you feel that we should adore to? What aspects do you particularly feel that we aspire to? Hi..i will leave you to answer those questions as they are entirely irrelevant to the original post which was concerning an interview with the Financial Times. At least concerning liberalism he is speaking for the silent majority in this country ." How do you know what the silent majority think or support? Surly the silent majority is, by it's very nature, silent. In the past people used to claim legitimacy by citing the will of a silent God, now they claim legitimacy by citing the will of a silent majority. In both cases what they are actually doing is just legitimising their own personal beliefs and are no more in tune with either the will of a silent God or the will of a silent majority. If you really want to be part of the silent majority maybe you should start by actually being what the name suggests, silent, rather than claiming some unknowable mandate from those who are actually silent for your own personal point of view. | |||
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"Hey pat if multiculturalism has had its day and seing a my family are multicultural which gulag would you and your xenophobic cunty friends like me and my children to go or would you just deport us all back to bongo bongo land. On the plus dude we all now your a homophobic racist putin fan boy... Have a nice fucking day I'm off fishing the needles for bass... "It is a pity you did not bother reading the post correctly ( or if you were that interested reseached the original article in more detail ) The point was that everyone should be treated equally but that people were fed up.with some minority groups being given more rights than others. You have simply made a post which is entirely irrelevant to the post concerned . | |||
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"OP have you actually been to Russia ? Your probably commenting on issues you know next to nothing about other than headline grabbing statements. Russia is hell to live in unless your one of the elite few. The masses have next to nothing. Poor health care, poor housing and infrastructure.....learn your facts and reality before you engage in debates you know nothing of what is reality...." The topics to which you refer are of course entirely unrelated to the original post and would be the subject of another thread should you wish to start one . | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. Theresa May made some interesting points about Russia undertaking a chemical attack on our country. The Parliamentary Select Committee made some interesting comments about Russian disinformation and fake news. The FBI made some interesting comments on Presidential election interference. Is the Russian political model one which you feel that we should adore to? What aspects do you particularly feel that we aspire to? Hi..i will leave you to answer those questions as they are entirely irrelevant to the original post which was concerning an interview with the Financial Times. At least concerning liberalism he is speaking for the silent majority in this country . How do you know what the silent majority think or support? Surly the silent majority is, by it's very nature, silent. In the past people used to claim legitimacy by citing the will of a silent God, now they claim legitimacy by citing the will of a silent majority. In both cases what they are actually doing is just legitimising their own personal beliefs and are no more in tune with either the will of a silent God or the will of a silent majority. If you really want to be part of the silent majority maybe you should start by actually being what the name suggests, silent, rather than claiming some unknowable mandate from those who are actually silent for your own personal point of view. " . The opinions of the silent majority can be gauged by what people can say in private buy because of intimidation are afraid to say in public . One only has to look at a number of posters on here snearing at other members to see why sometimes in real life you have to keep your opinions silent. | |||
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"Hey pat if multiculturalism has had its day and seing a my family are multicultural which gulag would you and your xenophobic cunty friends like me and my children to go or would you just deport us all back to bongo bongo land. On the plus dude we all now your a homophobic racist putin fan boy... Have a nice fucking day I'm off fishing the needles for bass... It is a pity you did not bother reading the post correctly ( or if you were that interested reseached the original article in more detail )
The point was that everyone should be treated equally but that people were fed up.with some minority groups being given more rights than others.
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"Yeah sure, white people have had enough, it's time to go back to the good old days of killing the gays, lynching the blacks and openly beating your woman in public to put her in her place. Damn whiny snowflake liberals taking the good stuff away from the white man, how dare they, they're probably socialist commies, listening to their comrades, good thing Russia is here to be brave enough to speak up. If they weren't, then the damn labour with comrade Corbyn would be teaching our kids how nice the EU is whilst forcing our kids to be trans Muslims, it's a disgrace. /s, I think that covers all the usual points from some people on here." Yeh, the good old days Just a couple of points;
I don't recall too many gays being killed in Britain, although some countries, mainly muslim, do kill gays.
Lynching blacks was a Southern America thing. I haven't looked for evidence in the UK but I doubt it happened.
You only have an issue with beating a woman in public  Again, many countries, mainly non white, do beat women and it is unpunishable.
But none of the above has anything to do with the op, which I can't see getting much, if any support. I think liberals are, in the main part, unintentionally damaging and divisive but I also think extreme left and right views are dangerous things and nothing good ever came from any of them. The middle ground is the place to be, you can cherry pick the bits you like from both sides  | |||
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" Which minority groups, how have they and how has that affected your and others lives..? " For someone who seeks redress for a great injustice being inflicted on his tribe, he is strangely silent when asked for examples of this oppression. One can only surmise he is feeling repressed by those rules designed to protect people from victimisation by racists, misogynists, homophobes etc. I wonder why? | |||
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"Yeah sure, white people have had enough, it's time to go back to the good old days of killing the gays, lynching the blacks and openly beating your woman in public to put her in her place. Damn whiny snowflake liberals taking the good stuff away from the white man, how dare they, they're probably socialist commies, listening to their comrades, good thing Russia is here to be brave enough to speak up. If they weren't, then the damn labour with comrade Corbyn would be teaching our kids how nice the EU is whilst forcing our kids to be trans Muslims, it's a disgrace. /s, I think that covers all the usual points from some people on here. Yeh, the good old days Just a couple of points;
I don't recall too many gays being killed in Britain, although some countries, mainly muslim, do kill gays.
Lynching blacks was a Southern America thing. I haven't looked for evidence in the UK but I doubt it happened.
You only have an issue with beating a woman in public Again, many countries, mainly non white, do beat women and it is unpunishable.
But none of the above has anything to do with the op, which I can't see getting much, if any support. I think liberals are, in the main part, unintentionally damaging and divisive but I also think extreme left and right views are dangerous things and nothing good ever came from any of them. The middle ground is the place to be, you can cherry pick the bits you like from both sides "Exaggeration perhaps. Gays and coloured people were certainly openly abused in the street and physical assault was not uncommon. Women could be groped and cat-called and were "asking" to be assaulted if they dressed a certain way. Domestic abuse was a matter between a man and his wife. Is this what the "silent majority" longs for? You are correct that using extreme examples are unhelpful, but the mundane reality of the mythic near past was pretty horrible too. | |||
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" Which minority groups, how have they and how has that affected your and others lives..? For someone who seeks redress for a great injustice being inflicted on his tribe, he is strangely silent when asked for examples of this oppression. One can only surmise he is feeling repressed by those rules designed to protect people from victimisation by racists, misogynists, homophobes etc. I wonder why? " Given his record on here of making spurious claims and failing to provide anything to back up what he says I doubt he will provide an answer once again.. As usual his default will be this is not real life blah blah.. Cries wolf so often it's got to be trolling.. Standard views from a supporter of the Dup and the swivel eyed loons in the tory party, thankfully in the minority as most decent people see people like Putin as an oppressive dictator.. | |||
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"It must have occurred to you by now that most people who have multiple profiles use one to simply troll. It doesn’t matter if that profile gets banned or deleted they just open a new one for trolling purposes. Look at the two main protagonists who post on here. Both use a secondary profile to post inflammatory material and post facile contrary arguments that don’t even try to address the debate. It is a pointless exercise trying to debate with a troll when debating and discussing is not the reason they post their shit. They do it solely to cause a reaction. This particular thread is as nonsensical as it gets when swinging itself is a liberal, minority section of the wider community." True.. On the brexit poll thread yesterday old pat got into a muddle switching profiles to respond then deleting it when he realised what he had done.. Multiple personalities.. Hmm | |||
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"I don’t think it is the ‘end’ of liberalism per se. I don’t like it, but it has to be there as an option. My belief is that sooner or later the UK will adopt proportional representation, which will be a much fairer way of electing politicians. Everyone will get a say, and that must also include liberals. It is the political correctness they try so hard to enforce that is on its way out, and that has been in the pipeline since the turn of the century. Grown ups don’t like being told what they can and can’t say or even think. In this country there will be a renaissance of traditional British values and customs. The governments will have to ensure this, in order to prevent big nationalist gains at election times. There will be hung parliaments and coalitions, much the same as they have in Germany. It will be interesting." "Liberals" do not demand political correctness anymore than "Conservatives" do not demand racism. "Grown ups" frequently behave like children and need to be reminded how to behave like adults. The normalisation of prejudice in public life has been banished which has given us a generation which don't find it acceptable. That seems fine to me. You will find that social attitudes are very different between the young and the old. Not due to their age bit because of their generational attitude. Have a look at the Natcen British social attitudes survey if you can bare to. Extreme positions are always foolish and every group has extremists, although I would argue that an extreme liberal is not a liberal by definition. What are "traditional British values"? Are they different to "traditional English values"? | |||
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"Yeah sure, white people have had enough, it's time to go back to the good old days of killing the gays, lynching the blacks and openly beating your woman in public to put her in her place. Damn whiny snowflake liberals taking the good stuff away from the white man, how dare they, they're probably socialist commies, listening to their comrades, good thing Russia is here to be brave enough to speak up. If they weren't, then the damn labour with comrade Corbyn would be teaching our kids how nice the EU is whilst forcing our kids to be trans Muslims, it's a disgrace. /s, I think that covers all the usual points from some people on here. Yeh, the good old days Just a couple of points;
I don't recall too many gays being killed in Britain, although some countries, mainly muslim, do kill gays.
Lynching blacks was a Southern America thing. I haven't looked for evidence in the UK but I doubt it happened.
You only have an issue with beating a woman in public Again, many countries, mainly non white, do beat women and it is unpunishable.
But none of the above has anything to do with the op, which I can't see getting much, if any support. I think liberals are, in the main part, unintentionally damaging and divisive but I also think extreme left and right views are dangerous things and nothing good ever came from any of them. The middle ground is the place to be, you can cherry pick the bits you like from both sides
Exaggeration perhaps.
Gays and coloured people were certainly openly abused in the street and physical assault was not uncommon.
Women could be groped and cat-called and were "asking" to be assaulted if they dressed a certain way. Domestic abuse was a matter between a man and his wife.
Is this what the "silent majority" longs for?
You are correct that using extreme examples are unhelpful, but the mundane reality of the mythic near past was pretty horrible too."So exaggeration is ok? On that basis the gay community threatened the extinction of humanity with AIDS. No exaggeration is not ok. It is used to fuel hate by all extremists. | |||
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"To suggest gay people have not been slaughtered in this country just underlines the ignorance at work in this thread. The anniversary passed quite recently of the Soho pub bombing. Only last year, a young man from Barrow in Furness was convicted under the terrorism act of plotting to slaughter people taking part in a Pride event. " Illegal acts that were punished. The post I replied to implied that there was a time when it was acceptable to kill gay people, I pointed out the error of their ways. | |||
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"Next month we go camping with 2 gay friends who adopted two black kids .Can I assume they don't represent this countries silent majority and "Family values ". They are liberals they are loving parents they are gay they have black children .But apparently they've taken something from the conservatives.. " Enjoy the camping trip, you've probably opened up a whole differdnt subject there on gwy adoption. In my younger warped days I had an issue with gay adoption, but have educated myself and see the massive benefits. Education is often the answer. | |||
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"Yeah sure, white people have had enough, it's time to go back to the good old days of killing the gays, lynching the blacks and openly beating your woman in public to put her in her place. Damn whiny snowflake liberals taking the good stuff away from the white man, how dare they, they're probably socialist commies, listening to their comrades, good thing Russia is here to be brave enough to speak up. If they weren't, then the damn labour with comrade Corbyn would be teaching our kids how nice the EU is whilst forcing our kids to be trans Muslims, it's a disgrace. /s, I think that covers all the usual points from some people on here. Yeh, the good old days Just a couple of points;
I don't recall too many gays being killed in Britain, although some countries, mainly muslim, do kill gays.
Lynching blacks was a Southern America thing. I haven't looked for evidence in the UK but I doubt it happened.
You only have an issue with beating a woman in public Again, many countries, mainly non white, do beat women and it is unpunishable.
But none of the above has anything to do with the op, which I can't see getting much, if any support. I think liberals are, in the main part, unintentionally damaging and divisive but I also think extreme left and right views are dangerous things and nothing good ever came from any of them. The middle ground is the place to be, you can cherry pick the bits you like from both sides
Exaggeration perhaps.
Gays and coloured people were certainly openly abused in the street and physical assault was not uncommon.
Women could be groped and cat-called and were "asking" to be assaulted if they dressed a certain way. Domestic abuse was a matter between a man and his wife.
Is this what the "silent majority" longs for?
You are correct that using extreme examples are unhelpful, but the mundane reality of the mythic near past was pretty horrible too.
So exaggeration is ok?
On that basis the gay community threatened the extinction of humanity with AIDS.
No exaggeration is not ok. It is used to fuel hate by all extremists. "I didn't say that exaggeration was okay. Not when it is used in real political debate. However, the comment that you were referring to was really just asking what "non liberal" values the OP was referring to. Non-liberals rarely state what they do believe in, only what they disapprove of. | |||
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"To suggest gay people have not been slaughtered in this country just underlines the ignorance at work in this thread. The anniversary passed quite recently of the Soho pub bombing. Only last year, a young man from Barrow in Furness was convicted under the terrorism act of plotting to slaughter people taking part in a Pride event. Illegal acts that were punished. The post I replied to implied that there was a time when it was acceptable to kill gay people, I pointed out the error of their ways." In this country, it was more than just acceptable to kill gay people. Execution was the statutory penalty until 1861. | |||
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"I don’t think it is the ‘end’ of liberalism per se. I don’t like it, but it has to be there as an option. My belief is that sooner or later the UK will adopt proportional representation, which will be a much fairer way of electing politicians. Everyone will get a say, and that must also include liberals. It is the political correctness they try so hard to enforce that is on its way out, and that has been in the pipeline since the turn of the century. Grown ups don’t like being told what they can and can’t say or even think. In this country there will be a renaissance of traditional British values and customs. The governments will have to ensure this, in order to prevent big nationalist gains at election times. There will be hung parliaments and coalitions, much the same as they have in Germany. It will be interesting. "Liberals" do not demand political correctness anymore than "Conservatives" do not demand racism. "Grown ups" frequently behave like children and need to be reminded how to behave like adults. The normalisation of prejudice in public life has been banished which has given us a generation which don't find it acceptable. That seems fine to me. You will find that social attitudes are very different between the young and the old. Not due to their age bit because of their generational attitude. Have a look at the Natcen British social attitudes survey if you can bare to. Extreme positions are always foolish and every group has extremists, although I would argue that an extreme liberal is not a liberal by definition. What are "traditional British values"? Are they different to "traditional English values"?" PC was a good idea in the beginning. But it has got to the point now where I am selling ‘gingerbread persons,’ and one never knows how to address another person because of all the fuss about gender fluidity etc. The snowflake generation is annoying, and not everything that has changed has been for the better. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone just because of race, sexuality, or gender. Remember I’m only a short bus ride away from Brighton, I see and speak to all kinds of people. As a traditionalist I would like to make St George’s day a bank holiday instead of May Day. Even though I’m an atheist, I would like to see more of an effort made to celebrate all the relevant Christian dates, things like pancakes on shrove Tuesday. Don’t get me wrong, I love a ruby as much as your next guy, Chinese food is also great, but fish and chip shops are bloody useless these days. I want bonfire night to be on November the 4th, not moved to a more convenient night. I want public houses to be able to have a smoking bar if they want. Just as long as they have an extractor fan and of course a separate no smoking area. I could go on all day about things that have changed that make me angry, but feel like that would be a waste of my time. | |||
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" PC was a good idea in the beginning. But it has got to the point now where I am selling ‘gingerbread persons,’ and one never knows how to address another person because of all the fuss about gender fluidity etc. The snowflake generation is annoying, and not everything that has changed has been for the better. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone just because of race, sexuality, or gender. Remember I’m only a short bus ride away from Brighton, I see and speak to all kinds of people. As a traditionalist I would like to make St George’s day a bank holiday instead of May Day. Even though I’m an atheist, I would like to see more of an effort made to celebrate all the relevant Christian dates, things like pancakes on shrove Tuesday. Don’t get me wrong, I love a ruby as much as your next guy, Chinese food is also great, but fish and chip shops are bloody useless these days. I want bonfire night to be on November the 4th, not moved to a more convenient night. I want public houses to be able to have a smoking bar if they want. Just as long as they have an extractor fan and of course a separate no smoking area. I could go on all day about things that have changed that make me angry, but feel like that would be a waste of my time." Oh boy. The irony of someone complaining about snowflakes when they're apparently furious about gingerbread men. If you Google you can see that tesco and sainsburys etc sell gingerbread men, not gingerbread people. You are angry at literally nothing. As for 'you don't know how to address someone because of gender fluidity' again, get a grip. The number of people who identify as gender fluid is tiny. Have you ever even met someone like that? You can call anyone you meet by the usual he/she pronouns and if they ask you to use something different, be polite and do so. There is no issue other than you being scared and uncomfortable with something outside the norm. Pancake day, bonfire night and the poor quality of fish and chip shops have absolutely nothing to do with political correctness, nor does smoking in pubs. Your list of complaints is so pathetic I almost think you must be parodying the snowflake right's usual complaints about PC. If you actually mean all this then I'm sorry life is so hard for you. Maybe go buy some gingerbread men to cheer yourself up. | |||
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"It must have occurred to you by now that most people who have multiple profiles use one to simply troll. It doesn’t matter if that profile gets banned or deleted they just open a new one for trolling purposes. Look at the two main protagonists who post on here. Both use a secondary profile to post inflammatory material and post facile contrary arguments that don’t even try to address the debate. It is a pointless exercise trying to debate with a troll when debating and discussing is not the reason they post their shit. They do it solely to cause a reaction. This particular thread is as nonsensical as it gets when swinging itself is a liberal, minority section of the wider community." It would be interesting to know how you can consider swingers to be liberal as most people tend to keep their private life private. If one analyses some of the posts made on here , those who consider themselves to be liberal are probably the most narrow minded and intolerant of all the posters. | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. " If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. | |||
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" But it has got to the point now where I am selling ‘gingerbread persons,’ and one never knows how to address another person because of all the fuss about gender fluidity etc. ." Oh dear. Rebranding a biscuit is a commercial decision by a food manufacturer. They must think it will sell. If it doesn't, they'll try something else. How to address someone? Hmmmm. If someone perplexes you to the point you are confused about their gender, just ask them how they would like to be addressed. Simples. | |||
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"I don’t think it is the ‘end’ of liberalism per se. I don’t like it, but it has to be there as an option. My belief is that sooner or later the UK will adopt proportional representation, which will be a much fairer way of electing politicians. Everyone will get a say, and that must also include liberals. It is the political correctness they try so hard to enforce that is on its way out, and that has been in the pipeline since the turn of the century. Grown ups don’t like being told what they can and can’t say or even think. In this country there will be a renaissance of traditional British values and customs. The governments will have to ensure this, in order to prevent big nationalist gains at election times. There will be hung parliaments and coalitions, much the same as they have in Germany. It will be interesting. "Liberals" do not demand political correctness anymore than "Conservatives" do not demand racism. "Grown ups" frequently behave like children and need to be reminded how to behave like adults. The normalisation of prejudice in public life has been banished which has given us a generation which don't find it acceptable. That seems fine to me. You will find that social attitudes are very different between the young and the old. Not due to their age bit because of their generational attitude. Have a look at the Natcen British social attitudes survey if you can bare to. Extreme positions are always foolish and every group has extremists, although I would argue that an extreme liberal is not a liberal by definition. What are "traditional British values"? Are they different to "traditional English values"? PC was a good idea in the beginning. But it has got to the point now where I am selling ‘gingerbread persons,’ and one never knows how to address another person because of all the fuss about gender fluidity etc. The snowflake generation is annoying, and not everything that has changed has been for the better. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone just because of race, sexuality, or gender. Remember I’m only a short bus ride away from Brighton, I see and speak to all kinds of people. As a traditionalist I would like to make St George’s day a bank holiday instead of May Day. Even though I’m an atheist, I would like to see more of an effort made to celebrate all the relevant Christian dates, things like pancakes on shrove Tuesday. Don’t get me wrong, I love a ruby as much as your next guy, Chinese food is also great, but fish and chip shops are bloody useless these days. I want bonfire night to be on November the 4th, not moved to a more convenient night. I want public houses to be able to have a smoking bar if they want. Just as long as they have an extractor fan and of course a separate no smoking area. I could go on all day about things that have changed that make me angry, but feel like that would be a waste of my time." Bonfire night is traditionally November 5th, not November 4th. But, as pretty much everything else you post is also based on false information, it's not that surprising that this one is too. | |||
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" PC was a good idea in the beginning. But it has got to the point now where I am selling ‘gingerbread persons,’ and one never knows how to address another person because of all the fuss about gender fluidity etc. The snowflake generation is annoying, and not everything that has changed has been for the better. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone just because of race, sexuality, or gender. Remember I’m only a short bus ride away from Brighton, I see and speak to all kinds of people. As a traditionalist I would like to make St George’s day a bank holiday instead of May Day. Even though I’m an atheist, I would like to see more of an effort made to celebrate all the relevant Christian dates, things like pancakes on shrove Tuesday. Don’t get me wrong, I love a ruby as much as your next guy, Chinese food is also great, but fish and chip shops are bloody useless these days. I want bonfire night to be on November the 4th, not moved to a more convenient night. I want public houses to be able to have a smoking bar if they want. Just as long as they have an extractor fan and of course a separate no smoking area. I could go on all day about things that have changed that make me angry, but feel like that would be a waste of my time. Oh boy. The irony of someone complaining about snowflakes when they're apparently furious about gingerbread men. If you Google you can see that tesco and sainsburys etc sell gingerbread men, not gingerbread people. You are angry at literally nothing. As for 'you don't know how to address someone because of gender fluidity' again, get a grip. The number of people who identify as gender fluid is tiny. Have you ever even met someone like that? You can call anyone you meet by the usual he/she pronouns and if they ask you to use something different, be polite and do so. There is no issue other than you being scared and uncomfortable with something outside the norm. Pancake day, bonfire night and the poor quality of fish and chip shops have absolutely nothing to do with political correctness, nor does smoking in pubs. Your list of complaints is so pathetic I almost think you must be parodying the snowflake right's usual complaints about PC. If you actually mean all this then I'm sorry life is so hard for you. Maybe go buy some gingerbread men to cheer yourself up. " All I said about gingerbread men is that where I work they are sold as gingerbread persons. It’s not something that bothers me too much, indeed it is something I have a laugh with the customers about. It’s probably a Brighton thing, and I have lived down here since the 1980’s. All the other things I picked up on are mere irritations, and I’m fully aware that they are not all because of political correctness. The ban on all smoking in all pubs is killing the industry, and even though I don’t smoke myself, I would like something to be changed about that. As for the snowflake generation, I see it all the time. People are having meltdowns about the most trivial things. If something gets under my skin in real life I just smile and nod, it’s not worth losing my job over. There are many lgbtq plus whatever people living in my area, and I have no problem whatsoever with that. Some of the nicest and kindest people I know are gay. But when I turn on the tv and a child’s father is refusing to allow his baby to be registered as a boy or girl, and saying that he/she can decide later what sex it wants to be, that he is allowed to do this boils my piss. I even found myself agreeing with Piers Morgan, who I really don’t like. But he is often right when he says ‘the worlds gone nuts.’ Because it bloody well has... | |||
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"It must have occurred to you by now that most people who have multiple profiles use one to simply troll. It doesn’t matter if that profile gets banned or deleted they just open a new one for trolling purposes. Look at the two main protagonists who post on here. Both use a secondary profile to post inflammatory material and post facile contrary arguments that don’t even try to address the debate. It is a pointless exercise trying to debate with a troll when debating and discussing is not the reason they post their shit. They do it solely to cause a reaction. This particular thread is as nonsensical as it gets when swinging itself is a liberal, minority section of the wider community. True.. On the brexit poll thread yesterday old pat got into a muddle switching profiles to respond then deleting it when he realised what he had done.. Multiple personalities.. Hmm " Hi. I hope when I am retired that I will have bettèr things to do with my time than following other members around . I prefer to admire success, not criticise others. | |||
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"Bemoans the snowflake generation from having meltdowns. Types out an long list of things that irks him under the guise of pc gone mad (pc brigade are preventing fish and chip shops being better?) " Ha ha, whatever. | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. Your scratching at the bottom of the barrel pat, given putins record on many things he is hardly the person to be eulogising over such things about.. Unless of course your fine with state sponsored murder, media and political oppression, journalists being murdered who critics his regime, massive homophobia etc.. At a time when hate crime is on the rise to use the language you do about 'minorities' is telling of your thoughts.. Respecting others differences is not a Liberal thing, its about decency and tolerance which should be across the board.. Hi. The various issues which you raise are not related to the original post and would be the subject of another thread should you wish to raise one. The issue at stake is that the silent majority are fed up with discrimination in favour of various minority groups. It is entirely wrong that those who shout loudest expect us to accept their beliefs as the norm. No one has suggested that anyone should be discriminated against or not treated equally, it has simply been suggested that liberalism has had its day and the voices of the silent majority are more important than those of vocal groups . " I'm sorry, but I don't see giving a voice to minorities as discriminating against the majority - which in this country is Caucasian, western Europeans, who generally live in monogamous, family units, who generally are heterosexual. Why have historically some groups been given priority in political action? (Though the amount of resources sunk in are small in proportion to wholesale resource budgets.) Because they were oppressed, given a lack of opertunities. Or in some causes persecuted. At the end of the day some individuals in some minority groups still scream that they are oppressed. I don't see this in this country; I do see poor policies or poor implementation of policies. My final point, and it's a direct question Pat - If you're agreeing with Putin's point, and you seem to agree going by your tangent, what's the alternative? | |||
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"It must have occurred to you by now that most people who have multiple profiles use one to simply troll. It doesn’t matter if that profile gets banned or deleted they just open a new one for trolling purposes. Look at the two main protagonists who post on here. Both use a secondary profile to post inflammatory material and post facile contrary arguments that don’t even try to address the debate. It is a pointless exercise trying to debate with a troll when debating and discussing is not the reason they post their shit. They do it solely to cause a reaction. This particular thread is as nonsensical as it gets when swinging itself is a liberal, minority section of the wider community. It would be interesting to know how you can consider swingers to be liberal as most people tend to keep their private life private. If one analyses some of the posts made on here , those who consider themselves to be liberal are probably the most narrow minded and intolerant of all the posters. " Swinging is NOT compatible with “family values” . Simple really. | |||
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"Ha ha, whatever. "It is fun seeing you post again, it's literally a bingo card of the moaning right, you've almost matched my parody post above, I'll admit though, crying about Fish & Chips is a new one | |||
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"How does alienating gay people help the population collapse? I can only see that it forces people to have heterosexual relationships and children... " He does not force anyone to have children, he simply says only traditional family relationships are all that is to be promoted. How that makes you feel isnt really important to him, the population figures are. If they go up its a success, if they go down, its not and he changes his stance. This traditional family stance was not taken in isolation. He provided support for families to have children, he propped up farming to provide more food, he moved to protect farming from wild fluctuations due to American sanctions. | |||
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"It must have occurred to you by now that most people who have multiple profiles use one to simply troll. It doesn’t matter if that profile gets banned or deleted they just open a new one for trolling purposes. Look at the two main protagonists who post on here. Both use a secondary profile to post inflammatory material and post facile contrary arguments that don’t even try to address the debate. It is a pointless exercise trying to debate with a troll when debating and discussing is not the reason they post their shit. They do it solely to cause a reaction. This particular thread is as nonsensical as it gets when swinging itself is a liberal, minority section of the wider community. It would be interesting to know how you can consider swingers to be liberal as most people tend to keep their private life private. If one analyses some of the posts made on here , those who consider themselves to be liberal are probably the most narrow minded and intolerant of all the posters. Swinging is NOT compatible with “family values” . Simple really. " It may be in your opinion but not for many others . Many swingers value family values and keep their swinging life private. In some cases they value family values more than most. Anyone with common sense keeps their private life private . | |||
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That's a whole new level of trolling.
I kind of feel sorry for him now..
It's rather sad.
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" On the brexit poll thread yesterday old pat got into a muddle switching profiles to respond then deleting it when he realised what he had done.. Multiple personalities.. Hmm How sad is that? This one is Putin's useful idiot. " It's like a multi buy, 3 different mouthpieces to spout inane tripe and never respond to their lies.. | |||
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"Ha ha, whatever.
It is fun seeing you post again, it's literally a bingo card of the moaning right, you've almost matched my parody post above, I'll admit though, crying about Fish & Chips is a new one "I wasn’t bloody crying about it, and although I’ll admit that fish and chip shops down here are nowhere near as good as up north, they have still got worse. As for the ridiculous parody accusation, I can assure you I’m very real. I might well be a minority voice in here, but in real life I’m in an ever increasing majority. The fight back started in 2016 and it will not stop until we take back all control from Brussels, Paris and Berlin. | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda." A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? | |||
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"Ha ha, whatever.
It is fun seeing you post again, it's literally a bingo card of the moaning right, you've almost matched my parody post above, I'll admit though, crying about Fish & Chips is a new one
I wasn’t bloody crying about it, and although I’ll admit that fish and chip shops down here are nowhere near as good as up north, they have still got worse.
As for the ridiculous parody accusation, I can assure you I’m very real. I might well be a minority voice in here, but in real life I’m in an ever increasing majority.
The fight back started in 2016 and it will not stop until we take back all control from Brussels, Paris and Berlin."The real issue should be waking up to the antics that the trans national corporations who pay little tax here and wield enormous power over government policies.. As with the rich businessmen who fund division to further enhance their profile.. The UK government has been piss poor at holding them to account and its been the EU that have tried to legislate to protect consumers, the likes of your average man and woman.. | |||
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"I think you might be on to something, many people are disillusioned with current mainstream pushed narratives on society, you only have to look at the polling on youngsters and gay acceptance, for the first time in 40 years it's falling!. Where is your evidence?" . Recent polling? You know polls done relatively recently | |||
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"It must have occurred to you by now that most people who have multiple profiles use one to simply troll. It doesn’t matter if that profile gets banned or deleted they just open a new one for trolling purposes. Look at the two main protagonists who post on here. Both use a secondary profile to post inflammatory material and post facile contrary arguments that don’t even try to address the debate. It is a pointless exercise trying to debate with a troll when debating and discussing is not the reason they post their shit. They do it solely to cause a reaction. This particular thread is as nonsensical as it gets when swinging itself is a liberal, minority section of the wider community." . Oh yah, so what's your other account called?. | |||
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" PC was a good idea in the beginning. But it has got to the point now where I am selling ‘gingerbread persons,’ and one never knows how to address another person because of all the fuss about gender fluidity etc. The snowflake generation is annoying, and not everything that has changed has been for the better. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone just because of race, sexuality, or gender. Remember I’m only a short bus ride away from Brighton, I see and speak to all kinds of people. As a traditionalist I would like to make St George’s day a bank holiday instead of May Day. Even though I’m an atheist, I would like to see more of an effort made to celebrate all the relevant Christian dates, things like pancakes on shrove Tuesday. Don’t get me wrong, I love a ruby as much as your next guy, Chinese food is also great, but fish and chip shops are bloody useless these days. I want bonfire night to be on November the 4th, not moved to a more convenient night. I want public houses to be able to have a smoking bar if they want. Just as long as they have an extractor fan and of course a separate no smoking area. I could go on all day about things that have changed that make me angry, but feel like that would be a waste of my time." You complain about the so called "snowflake generation" yet you're offended by everything yourself
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"How does alienating gay people help the population collapse? I can only see that it forces people to have heterosexual relationships and children... He does not force anyone to have children, he simply says only traditional family relationships are all that is to be promoted. How that makes you feel isnt really important to him, the population figures are. If they go up its a success, if they go down, its not and he changes his stance. This traditional family stance was not taken in isolation. He provided support for families to have children, he propped up farming to provide more food, he moved to protect farming from wild fluctuations due to American sanctions." Yeah the first paragraph is part of the problem though. Okay you don't want your national population to collapse. Fair enough. However, as you pointed out, he ONLY allows heterosexual relationships. If it was the case that he allowed all relationships but wanted to subsidise those who have more kids with tax breaks or something, I'd be fine. It's the fact that he runs his country in such an authoritarian manner, with such a black and white mind set which causes problems. At the end of the day, criminalising homosexually or penilising non-hetro individuals has knock on effects: . They won't just magically settle down and have kids, they'll either segregate themselves, or try to leave. I've seen the migration of persecuted Russians in the Scandinavian countries first hand . You'll likely have STD outbreaks, as despite condons ect, accidents happen, and authorities aren't daft, they know that certain STI s come from men or women disproportionately. . Eventually, if people can't leave, you'll likely get civil unrest. Putin would likely deal with this harshly. And that just gets you more sanctions. | |||
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"However, as you pointed out, he ONLY allows heterosexual relationships." I didn't say that, I said he only wants traditional relationships shown on media, or where children might be present. What you do in your own time behind closed doors is your own business. You can change your gender to female if you want, you can adopt as a gay person. Can swing or be gay etc, Only 10 regions out of 85 implemented strict laws on the subject. So some areas are worse than others on the issue. | |||
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"However, as you pointed out, he ONLY allows heterosexual relationships. I didn't say that, I said he only wants traditional relationships shown on media, or where children might be present. What you do in your own time behind closed doors is your own business. You can change your gender to female if you want, you can adopt as a gay person. Can swing or be gay etc, Only 10 regions out of 85 implemented strict laws on the subject. So some areas are worse than others on the issue." Yeah, sorry misread your first bit. However you still have highlighted an issue. The fact that some devolved regions get to be less understanding is concerning. Not to mention that when I lived in Norway, and when I visit there, I always encounter/encountered Russians of varying 'minority groups' who explained how they were in or applying for asylum. Most explained how there seemed to be politically endorsed gangs who hounded certain individuals who were or were suspected of being gay, bi, ect. It's on par with how the Russian state made moves to decriminalise domestic abuse, which seems to be rampant. | |||
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"To suggest gay people have not been slaughtered in this country just underlines the ignorance at work in this thread. The anniversary passed quite recently of the Soho pub bombing. Only last year, a young man from Barrow in Furness was convicted under the terrorism act of plotting to slaughter people taking part in a Pride event. Illegal acts that were punished. The post I replied to implied that there was a time when it was acceptable to kill gay people, I pointed out the error of their ways. In this country, it was more than just acceptable to kill gay people. Execution was the statutory penalty until 1861. " 1861? Are you taking the piss? How far back shall we go then? How about we abolish marriage as there was no such thing in 250,000 BC. I suppose you would also lower the age for sex and allow anyone under 16 to marry with adult consent, as the law only changed in 1929. You really do come out with some crap. | |||
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" PC was a good idea in the beginning. But it has got to the point now where I am selling ‘gingerbread persons,’ and one never knows how to address another person because of all the fuss about gender fluidity etc. The snowflake generation is annoying, and not everything that has changed has been for the better. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone just because of race, sexuality, or gender. Remember I’m only a short bus ride away from Brighton, I see and speak to all kinds of people. As a traditionalist I would like to make St George’s day a bank holiday instead of May Day. Even though I’m an atheist, I would like to see more of an effort made to celebrate all the relevant Christian dates, things like pancakes on shrove Tuesday. Don’t get me wrong, I love a ruby as much as your next guy, Chinese food is also great, but fish and chip shops are bloody useless these days. I want bonfire night to be on November the 4th, not moved to a more convenient night. I want public houses to be able to have a smoking bar if they want. Just as long as they have an extractor fan and of course a separate no smoking area. I could go on all day about things that have changed that make me angry, but feel like that would be a waste of my time. You complain about the so called "snowflake generation" yet you're offended by everything yourself
Ohh and you've been celebrating bonfire night on the wrong date all your life with the looks of it
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"I do love this concept of the "silent majority"... I say something that nobody will say that they agree with. My ignorance/arrogance is such that not only do I believe that some people agree with me, in spite of nobody saying so; I believe that a majority of people agree with me. As far as I am concerned, anyone using the phrase is delusional at best." Yeah I heard a lot of people saying that in 2016, around about the times when we had the referendum and the USA had their elections. | |||
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" PC was a good idea in the beginning. But it has got to the point now where I am selling ‘gingerbread persons,’ and one never knows how to address another person because of all the fuss about gender fluidity etc. The snowflake generation is annoying, and not everything that has changed has been for the better. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone just because of race, sexuality, or gender. Remember I’m only a short bus ride away from Brighton, I see and speak to all kinds of people. As a traditionalist I would like to make St George’s day a bank holiday instead of May Day. Even though I’m an atheist, I would like to see more of an effort made to celebrate all the relevant Christian dates, things like pancakes on shrove Tuesday. Don’t get me wrong, I love a ruby as much as your next guy, Chinese food is also great, but fish and chip shops are bloody useless these days. I want bonfire night to be on November the 4th, not moved to a more convenient night. I want public houses to be able to have a smoking bar if they want. Just as long as they have an extractor fan and of course a separate no smoking area. I could go on all day about things that have changed that make me angry, but feel like that would be a waste of my time. You complain about the so called "snowflake generation" yet you're offended by everything yourself
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Nah I got it mixed up with my youngest son’s birthday. That is all, the night he was born I was at home with the other kids, watching other people’s fireworks out of the window."Stupid PC brigade celebrating bonfire night on the wrong night and making you look stupid! Lol | |||
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" PC was a good idea in the beginning. But it has got to the point now where I am selling ‘gingerbread persons,’ and one never knows how to address another person because of all the fuss about gender fluidity etc. The snowflake generation is annoying, and not everything that has changed has been for the better. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone just because of race, sexuality, or gender. Remember I’m only a short bus ride away from Brighton, I see and speak to all kinds of people. As a traditionalist I would like to make St George’s day a bank holiday instead of May Day. Even though I’m an atheist, I would like to see more of an effort made to celebrate all the relevant Christian dates, things like pancakes on shrove Tuesday. Don’t get me wrong, I love a ruby as much as your next guy, Chinese food is also great, but fish and chip shops are bloody useless these days. I want bonfire night to be on November the 4th, not moved to a more convenient night. I want public houses to be able to have a smoking bar if they want. Just as long as they have an extractor fan and of course a separate no smoking area. I could go on all day about things that have changed that make me angry, but feel like that would be a waste of my time. You complain about the so called "snowflake generation" yet you're offended by everything yourself
Ohh and you've been celebrating bonfire night on the wrong date all your life with the looks of it
Nah I got it mixed up with my youngest son’s birthday. That is all, the night he was born I was at home with the other kids, watching other people’s fireworks out of the window.
Stupid PC brigade celebrating bonfire night on the wrong night and making you look stupid! Lol"I typed in the wrong date, so fuckin what? Everything I say is wrong because I typed in a wrong date. Crack on with it, if that is all you have got. Seriously... | |||
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" PC was a good idea in the beginning. But it has got to the point now where I am selling ‘gingerbread persons,’ and one never knows how to address another person because of all the fuss about gender fluidity etc. The snowflake generation is annoying, and not everything that has changed has been for the better. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone just because of race, sexuality, or gender. Remember I’m only a short bus ride away from Brighton, I see and speak to all kinds of people. As a traditionalist I would like to make St George’s day a bank holiday instead of May Day. Even though I’m an atheist, I would like to see more of an effort made to celebrate all the relevant Christian dates, things like pancakes on shrove Tuesday. Don’t get me wrong, I love a ruby as much as your next guy, Chinese food is also great, but fish and chip shops are bloody useless these days. I want bonfire night to be on November the 4th, not moved to a more convenient night. I want public houses to be able to have a smoking bar if they want. Just as long as they have an extractor fan and of course a separate no smoking area. I could go on all day about things that have changed that make me angry, but feel like that would be a waste of my time. Oh boy. The irony of someone complaining about snowflakes when they're apparently furious about gingerbread men. If you Google you can see that tesco and sainsburys etc sell gingerbread men, not gingerbread people. You are angry at literally nothing. As for 'you don't know how to address someone because of gender fluidity' again, get a grip. The number of people who identify as gender fluid is tiny. Have you ever even met someone like that? You can call anyone you meet by the usual he/she pronouns and if they ask you to use something different, be polite and do so. There is no issue other than you being scared and uncomfortable with something outside the norm. Pancake day, bonfire night and the poor quality of fish and chip shops have absolutely nothing to do with political correctness, nor does smoking in pubs. Your list of complaints is so pathetic I almost think you must be parodying the snowflake right's usual complaints about PC. If you actually mean all this then I'm sorry life is so hard for you. Maybe go buy some gingerbread men to cheer yourself up. All I said about gingerbread men is that where I work they are sold as gingerbread persons. It’s not something that bothers me too much, indeed it is something I have a laugh with the customers about. It’s probably a Brighton thing, and I have lived down here since the 1980’s. All the other things I picked up on are mere irritations, and I’m fully aware that they are not all because of political correctness. The ban on all smoking in all pubs is killing the industry, and even though I don’t smoke myself, I would like something to be changed about that. As for the snowflake generation, I see it all the time. People are having meltdowns about the most trivial things. If something gets under my skin in real life I just smile and nod, it’s not worth losing my job over. There are many lgbtq plus whatever people living in my area, and I have no problem whatsoever with that. Some of the nicest and kindest people I know are gay. But when I turn on the tv and a child’s father is refusing to allow his baby to be registered as a boy or girl, and saying that he/she can decide later what sex it wants to be, that he is allowed to do this boils my piss. I even found myself agreeing with Piers Morgan, who I really don’t like. But he is often right when he says ‘the worlds gone nuts.’ Because it bloody well has..." So this is where I do not understand you. You seem to be perfectly capable of being rational and actually quite nice. Then you explode in incoherent rants. It seems, and I can only know from what you write, that you are annoyed by a range of small things. Some of them very real. Some perceived or imagined. You also seem to then attribute the blame to the wrong thing. For instance pub closures. They are not driven by the smoking ban. They have been driven by the drink driving rules. Especially in rural areas. Should we get rid of those? Is that the nanny state? "Liberals"? In many ways you are liberal but you are using the word as an insult. You are talking about a very tiny group who wish to impose their view of behaviour on people. They are a minority just like the far right. You make sweeping generalisations about "liberals", "Muslims", "immigrants" when all you are actually referring to are a small minority with extreme views. Oddly enough normal people living there lives don't make the news. I really, really think that you should make an effort to change your news sources. I'm not saying go straight to the Guardian, but something at least a bit more neutral. It will be uncomfortable for a while but your piss and blood will boil a lot less. I am being nice, not sarcastic even if it's not obvious | |||
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" PC was a good idea in the beginning. But it has got to the point now where I am selling ‘gingerbread persons,’ and one never knows how to address another person because of all the fuss about gender fluidity etc. The snowflake generation is annoying, and not everything that has changed has been for the better. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone just because of race, sexuality, or gender. Remember I’m only a short bus ride away from Brighton, I see and speak to all kinds of people. As a traditionalist I would like to make St George’s day a bank holiday instead of May Day. Even though I’m an atheist, I would like to see more of an effort made to celebrate all the relevant Christian dates, things like pancakes on shrove Tuesday. Don’t get me wrong, I love a ruby as much as your next guy, Chinese food is also great, but fish and chip shops are bloody useless these days. I want bonfire night to be on November the 4th, not moved to a more convenient night. I want public houses to be able to have a smoking bar if they want. Just as long as they have an extractor fan and of course a separate no smoking area. I could go on all day about things that have changed that make me angry, but feel like that would be a waste of my time. Oh boy. The irony of someone complaining about snowflakes when they're apparently furious about gingerbread men. If you Google you can see that tesco and sainsburys etc sell gingerbread men, not gingerbread people. You are angry at literally nothing. As for 'you don't know how to address someone because of gender fluidity' again, get a grip. The number of people who identify as gender fluid is tiny. Have you ever even met someone like that? You can call anyone you meet by the usual he/she pronouns and if they ask you to use something different, be polite and do so. There is no issue other than you being scared and uncomfortable with something outside the norm. Pancake day, bonfire night and the poor quality of fish and chip shops have absolutely nothing to do with political correctness, nor does smoking in pubs. Your list of complaints is so pathetic I almost think you must be parodying the snowflake right's usual complaints about PC. If you actually mean all this then I'm sorry life is so hard for you. Maybe go buy some gingerbread men to cheer yourself up. All I said about gingerbread men is that where I work they are sold as gingerbread persons. It’s not something that bothers me too much, indeed it is something I have a laugh with the customers about. It’s probably a Brighton thing, and I have lived down here since the 1980’s. All the other things I picked up on are mere irritations, and I’m fully aware that they are not all because of political correctness. The ban on all smoking in all pubs is killing the industry, and even though I don’t smoke myself, I would like something to be changed about that. As for the snowflake generation, I see it all the time. People are having meltdowns about the most trivial things. If something gets under my skin in real life I just smile and nod, it’s not worth losing my job over. There are many lgbtq plus whatever people living in my area, and I have no problem whatsoever with that. Some of the nicest and kindest people I know are gay. But when I turn on the tv and a child’s father is refusing to allow his baby to be registered as a boy or girl, and saying that he/she can decide later what sex it wants to be, that he is allowed to do this boils my piss. I even found myself agreeing with Piers Morgan, who I really don’t like. But he is often right when he says ‘the worlds gone nuts.’ Because it bloody well has... So this is where I do not understand you. You seem to be perfectly capable of being rational and actually quite nice. Then you explode in incoherent rants. It seems, and I can only know from what you write, that you are annoyed by a range of small things. Some of them very real. Some perceived or imagined. You also seem to then attribute the blame to the wrong thing. For instance pub closures. They are not driven by the smoking ban. They have been driven by the drink driving rules. Especially in rural areas. Should we get rid of those? Is that the nanny state? "Liberals"? In many ways you are liberal but you are using the word as an insult. You are talking about a very tiny group who wish to impose their view of behaviour on people. They are a minority just like the far right. You make sweeping generalisations about "liberals", "Muslims", "immigrants" when all you are actually referring to are a small minority with extreme views. Oddly enough normal people living there lives don't make the news. I really, really think that you should make an effort to change your news sources. I'm not saying go straight to the Guardian, but something at least a bit more neutral. It will be uncomfortable for a while but your piss and blood will boil a lot less. I am being nice, not sarcastic even if it's not obvious "So what exactly is it I have said that you don’t understand? I am a socialist but not left wing, so am I supposed to hate everyone? I don’t hate anyone for what they are, but some for what they say and do. I’m properly capable of rational thought, I just don’t agree with the popular liberalist narrative. That makes me bad in your eyes, but people who know me know better. Enough about me now... | |||
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"It must have occurred to you by now that most people who have multiple profiles use one to simply troll. It doesn’t matter if that profile gets banned or deleted they just open a new one for trolling purposes. Look at the two main protagonists who post on here. Both use a secondary profile to post inflammatory material and post facile contrary arguments that don’t even try to address the debate. It is a pointless exercise trying to debate with a troll when debating and discussing is not the reason they post their shit. They do it solely to cause a reaction. This particular thread is as nonsensical as it gets when swinging itself is a liberal, minority section of the wider community. It would be interesting to know how you can consider swingers to be liberal as most people tend to keep their private life private. If one analyses some of the posts made on here , those who consider themselves to be liberal are probably the most narrow minded and intolerant of all the posters. Swinging is NOT compatible with “family values” . Simple really. It may be in your opinion but not for many others . Many swingers value family values and keep their swinging life private. In some cases they value family values more than most. Anyone with common sense keeps their private life private . " So swinging is compatible with normal family values as long as it is kept secret? Does your mind do mental gymnastics trying to justify your want and need to fuck married women? Why not just accept that In order to sign up to Putin’s way of thinking, you will need to get out of the Swinging lifestyle and adopt a more puritanical lifestyle. In other words, get married, have children and be a good role model for them instead of sleazing around and trying to fuck for fun | |||
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"I think you might be on to something, many people are disillusioned with current mainstream pushed narratives on society, you only have to look at the polling on youngsters and gay acceptance, for the first time in 40 years it's falling!. Where is your evidence?. Recent polling? You know polls done relatively recently "Where is your evidence? | |||
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" PC was a good idea in the beginning. But it has got to the point now where I am selling ‘gingerbread persons,’ and one never knows how to address another person because of all the fuss about gender fluidity etc. The snowflake generation is annoying, and not everything that has changed has been for the better. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone just because of race, sexuality, or gender. Remember I’m only a short bus ride away from Brighton, I see and speak to all kinds of people. As a traditionalist I would like to make St George’s day a bank holiday instead of May Day. Even though I’m an atheist, I would like to see more of an effort made to celebrate all the relevant Christian dates, things like pancakes on shrove Tuesday. Don’t get me wrong, I love a ruby as much as your next guy, Chinese food is also great, but fish and chip shops are bloody useless these days. I want bonfire night to be on November the 4th, not moved to a more convenient night. I want public houses to be able to have a smoking bar if they want. Just as long as they have an extractor fan and of course a separate no smoking area. I could go on all day about things that have changed that make me angry, but feel like that would be a waste of my time. You complain about the so called "snowflake generation" yet you're offended by everything yourself
Ohh and you've been celebrating bonfire night on the wrong date all your life with the looks of it
Nah I got it mixed up with my youngest son’s birthday. That is all, the night he was born I was at home with the other kids, watching other people’s fireworks out of the window.
Stupid PC brigade celebrating bonfire night on the wrong night and making you look stupid! Lol
I typed in the wrong date, so fuckin what? Everything I say is wrong because I typed in a wrong date.
Crack on with it, if that is all you have got. Seriously..."Didn't mean to offend... Was just teasing given its kinda ironi. you have a v cool memory off the back of something you'd prefer not to have happened. I misjudged. That's down to me. | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. " As i understand it, neoliberalism meant the deregulation of companies etc, making them less accountable for standards etc, amongst other things so yes it would be good to see less of that | |||
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"Equality cannot be achieved by giving those who feel aggrieved more rights than ordinary people. That is how it looks, not just to me but to millions of people living in so called democracies. Make it so that everyone is exactly equal and what you lot call populism will become less popular. Just don’t make any single group of people more ‘equal’ than everyone else. Over the last 25 years or so, minority groups have been pushing for more and more. They are already equal but want, and more often than not are given even more. Enough is enough!" So what are these extra rights that a gay man or woman has, actually to whom are you referring to? But same question pls? And how can it be and whom is more equal, the law is not biased its just the law so it can be used and given what your claiming there should be actual cases etc.. | |||
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"I think you might be on to something, many people are disillusioned with current mainstream pushed narratives on society, you only have to look at the polling on youngsters and gay acceptance, for the first time in 40 years it's falling!. " Ok, in the absence of any evidence, I can only deduce it is your opinion that same-sex relationships are unpopular, not the public's. The latest evidence I have seen is from a YouGov survey published last week. * Only 36 % of people aged 18-24 identify as "completely heterosexual" * 48% identify as homosexual or open to same-sex relations Here is the link:| https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/897656 Feel free to educate yourself. | |||
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"Equality cannot be achieved by giving those who feel aggrieved more rights than ordinary people. That is how it looks, not just to me but to millions of people living in so called democracies. Make it so that everyone is exactly equal and what you lot call populism will become less popular. Just don’t make any single group of people more ‘equal’ than everyone else. Over the last 25 years or so, minority groups have been pushing for more and more. They are already equal but want, and more often than not are given even more. Enough is enough! So what are these extra rights that a gay man or woman has, actually to whom are you referring to? But same question pls? And how can it be and whom is more equal, the law is not biased its just the law so it can be used and given what your claiming there should be actual cases etc.. " In my opinion a crime against a person is just that, a crime against a person. But I’m this country if the crime was motivated by racial sexual or gender motive, the sentences are more severe. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not in favour of people being targeted for any of those reasons. But why do people with other motives get more leniency? Also if a non white murders a white person, (take the Kris Donald case as an example), why is that not reported more widely as a racist murder? I don’t want to be lazy and copy paste stories or even links. I just want to know why some people are more protected than others, and why punishment for crimes are given more serious punishments than others? It is no wonder that more and more British people are turning to nationalist and populist parties and organisations. Before anyone calls my claims bullshit, I used to know a man who had his own organisation. He had influence over people who hated the anarchists and the hard left. Prospectors had to carry out an op if they were to become members. He got 5 years for entitlement followed by 4 years mapa 3 probation. All because of something he once posted on the internet. He has gone through all that now and is living his life, so I will not name him. But that is 100% true. Had he made the same post about others he would have got 3 years prison and 1 years probation. As for Kris Donald, feel free to google him, because I’m betting that most of you have never heard of him. You will be experts on the Steven Lawrence case though... | |||
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"Not all murders where the victim is black and the perpetrator is not are race hate crimes and vice versa.. Not familiar with the case your talking about tbh, Stephen Lawrence was targeted because he was black and that rightly will be looked at as race hate.. The same happens where a gay man will kill a straight man etc but if one kills the other because they are straight or gay then there is a difference and the law will take that into account.. You still haven't said why you think you are less equal than others.. " Kris Donald was a 15 year old boy walking home in Glasgow, who was picked up by a bunch of Asian men, just because he was white, then viciously tortured to death then dumped, still burning outside Parkhead football ground. He was treated as less than human and his death and the hours running up to it were truly horrific. It was never reported as a racially motivated crime, but it most definitely was. | |||
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"Not all murders where the victim is black and the perpetrator is not are race hate crimes and vice versa.. Not familiar with the case your talking about tbh, Stephen Lawrence was targeted because he was black and that rightly will be looked at as race hate.. The same happens where a gay man will kill a straight man etc but if one kills the other because they are straight or gay then there is a difference and the law will take that into account.. You still haven't said why you think you are less equal than others.. Kris Donald was a 15 year old boy walking home in Glasgow, who was picked up by a bunch of Asian men, just because he was white, then viciously tortured to death then dumped, still burning outside Parkhead football ground. He was treated as less than human and his death and the hours running up to it were truly horrific. It was never reported as a racially motivated crime, but it most definitely was." Are you sure your not getting another case mixed up because a very quick search says that the murderers were found guilty of a racially motivated murder.. OK this is getting a bit repetitive but how do you feel less equal than others..? You seem to be ducking it.. | |||
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"Equality cannot be achieved by giving those who feel aggrieved more rights than ordinary people. That is how it looks, not just to me but to millions of people living in so called democracies. Make it so that everyone is exactly equal and what you lot call populism will become less popular. Just don’t make any single group of people more ‘equal’ than everyone else. Over the last 25 years or so, minority groups have been pushing for more and more. They are already equal but want, and more often than not are given even more. Enough is enough! So what are these extra rights that a gay man or woman has, actually to whom are you referring to? But same question pls? And how can it be and whom is more equal, the law is not biased its just the law so it can be used and given what your claiming there should be actual cases etc.. In my opinion a crime against a person is just that, a crime against a person. But I’m this country if the crime was motivated by racial sexual or gender motive, the sentences are more severe. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not in favour of people being targeted for any of those reasons. But why do people with other motives get more leniency? Also if a non white murders a white person, (take the Kris Donald case as an example), why is that not reported more widely as a racist murder? I don’t want to be lazy and copy paste stories or even links. I just want to know why some people are more protected than others, and why punishment for crimes are given more serious punishments than others? It is no wonder that more and more British people are turning to nationalist and populist parties and organisations. Before anyone calls my claims bullshit, I used to know a man who had his own organisation. He had influence over people who hated the anarchists and the hard left. Prospectors had to carry out an op if they were to become members. He got 5 years for entitlement followed by 4 years mapa 3 probation. All because of something he once posted on the internet. He has gone through all that now and is living his life, so I will not name him. But that is 100% true. Had he made the same post about others he would have got 3 years prison and 1 years probation. As for Kris Donald, feel free to google him, because I’m betting that most of you have never heard of him. You will be experts on the Steven Lawrence case though..." You have your reasonable head on tonight. I can get on with this version of you
I agree with you that a crime against a person is just that. However, I think that there is a case for additional penalties for crimes against people simply because of who they inherently are, be that homosexual, or coloured or of a particular religion.
If this is the sole reason for the attack then it is more of a problem because it wouldn't have happened for any other reason. It makes this a form or terrorism really because it is completely unprovoked and out of your control.
I only read the Wiki page about Kris Donald. On that basis the murder seemed to be racially motivated. There is no reason that it shouldn't have been treated as such. However, it may just have been easier to get a conviction as a "normal" murder. I couldn't really follow what you were saying about the guy whom you knew, so won't comment on that.
I'm afraid that you are right about populism being driven by a perception of unfair treatment. However, I think that this is driven more by the press narrative than reality.
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"It was never reported as a racially motivated crime, but it most definitely was." And they were charged with a racially motivated killing, so what's your point? They went down for the exact same thing you're crying about them apparently not. Go be better man, you're being a real snowflake here, then again I guess it's them immigrant faults for ruing your fish & chips  | |||
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"It must have occurred to you by now that most people who have multiple profiles use one to simply troll. It doesn’t matter if that profile gets banned or deleted they just open a new one for trolling purposes. Look at the two main protagonists who post on here. Both use a secondary profile to post inflammatory material and post facile contrary arguments that don’t even try to address the debate. It is a pointless exercise trying to debate with a troll when debating and discussing is not the reason they post their shit. They do it solely to cause a reaction. This particular thread is as nonsensical as it gets when swinging itself is a liberal, minority section of the wider community. It would be interesting to know how you can consider swingers to be liberal as most people tend to keep their private life private. If one analyses some of the posts made on here , those who consider themselves to be liberal are probably the most narrow minded and intolerant of all the posters. Swinging is NOT compatible with “family values” . Simple really. It may be in your opinion but not for many others . Many swingers value family values and keep their swinging life private. In some cases they value family values more than most. Anyone with common sense keeps their private life private . So swinging is compatible with normal family values as long as it is kept secret? Does your mind do mental gymnastics trying to justify your want and need to fuck married women? Why not just accept that In order to sign up to Putin’s way of thinking, you will need to get out of the Swinging lifestyle and adopt a more puritanical lifestyle. In other words, get married, have children and be a good role model for them instead of sleazing around and trying to fuck for fun " I would have thought that the answer is very straight forward . Anyone with common sense keeps their swinging activities secret. Nothing wrong in both adhering to and promoting family values and letting yourself go one night a week. | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? " The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. " And based upon your support for Putin's view and what you have said on this thread it is a logical question to ask you.. Unless as with several other claims you've made its totally false and baseless? | |||
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"It seems to me on here if you support a view someone has put forward that you are immediately branded as supporter of that person.This to me seems the problem these days.It is quiet possible to say i actually agree with you on certain things even if you are on the other side of the political spectrum.This shows a thinking mind rather than a closed one because you dont like the person. " I agree with you | |||
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"It seems to me on here if you support a view someone has put forward that you are immediately branded as supporter of that person.This to me seems the problem these days.It is quiet possible to say i actually agree with you on certain things even if you are on the other side of the political spectrum.This shows a thinking mind rather than a closed one because you dont like the person. " Valid point, however when you make a claim then it's acceptable on an open forum for that claim to be explored.. The basics of debating are avoided in the equivalent of putting up an open palm instead of responding to the points raised in relation to the position.. | |||
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"It seems to me on here if you support a view someone has put forward that you are immediately branded as supporter of that person.This to me seems the problem these days.It is quiet possible to say i actually agree with you on certain things even if you are on the other side of the political spectrum.This shows a thinking mind rather than a closed one because you dont like the person. Valid point, however when you make a claim then it's acceptable on an open forum for that claim to be explored.. The basics of debating are avoided in the equivalent of putting up an open palm instead of responding to the points raised in relation to the position.. " Very true that is the point of the forum.My point is just because someone agreed with putin on one point it doesnt mean he is a putin lover as put by some on here and can totally disagree with everything he stands for.This kind of name calling is not debating. | |||
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"It seems to me on here if you support a view someone has put forward that you are immediately branded as supporter of that person.This to me seems the problem these days.It is quiet possible to say i actually agree with you on certain things even if you are on the other side of the political spectrum.This shows a thinking mind rather than a closed one because you dont like the person. Valid point, however when you make a claim then it's acceptable on an open forum for that claim to be explored.. The basics of debating are avoided in the equivalent of putting up an open palm instead of responding to the points raised in relation to the position.. Very true that is the point of the forum.My point is just because someone agreed with putin on one point it doesnt mean he is a putin lover as put by some on here and can totally disagree with everything he stands for.This kind of name calling is not debating. " Again agreed, but when you align yourselves with such divisive characters and are ignoring what they actually stand for or have allowed to happen on their watch then that's perhaps inevitable.. | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. " It’s quite hypocritical to say that liberalism should be pushed aside. This site would not be here if liberalism was removed. Our society is freer, our rights are protected and we are advanced in our thinking. Putin is an ex KGB man, who has the same soviet style mentality on control of populations. He is just as repressive, he has taken advantage. I’d say love democracy, love liberalism. | |||
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"It must have occurred to you by now that most people who have multiple profiles use one to simply troll. It doesn’t matter if that profile gets banned or deleted they just open a new one for trolling purposes. Look at the two main protagonists who post on here. Both use a secondary profile to post inflammatory material and post facile contrary arguments that don’t even try to address the debate. It is a pointless exercise trying to debate with a troll when debating and discussing is not the reason they post their shit. They do it solely to cause a reaction. This particular thread is as nonsensical as it gets when swinging itself is a liberal, minority section of the wider community. It would be interesting to know how you can consider swingers to be liberal as most people tend to keep their private life private. If one analyses some of the posts made on here , those who consider themselves to be liberal are probably the most narrow minded and intolerant of all the posters. Swinging is NOT compatible with “family values” . Simple really. It may be in your opinion but not for many others . Many swingers value family values and keep their swinging life private. In some cases they value family values more than most. Anyone with common sense keeps their private life private . So swinging is compatible with normal family values as long as it is kept secret? Does your mind do mental gymnastics trying to justify your want and need to fuck married women? Why not just accept that In order to sign up to Putin’s way of thinking, you will need to get out of the Swinging lifestyle and adopt a more puritanical lifestyle. In other words, get married, have children and be a good role model for them instead of sleazing around and trying to fuck for fun I would have thought that the answer is very straight forward . Anyone with common sense keeps their swinging activities secret. Nothing wrong in both adhering to and promoting family values and letting yourself go one night a week." Yes, there is. It makes you a hypocrite. | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. It’s quite hypocritical to say that liberalism should be pushed aside. This site would not be here if liberalism was removed. Our society is freer, our rights are protected and we are advanced in our thinking. Putin is an ex KGB man, who has the same soviet style mentality on control of populations. He is just as repressive, he has taken advantage. I’d say love democracy, love liberalism." It is difficult to see why this site would not be here if liberalism were to be removed. You have simply made an assumption. Quite a few people whose nationality is Russian are members of another web site . | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. And based upon your support for Putin's view and what you have said on this thread it is a logical question to ask you.. Unless as with several other claims you've made its totally false and baseless? If you are that concerned may be asked the interviewer whose name is Lionel Barber and is a journalist for the FT. " I'm asking you based on your points on here which as you usually do you are unable or unwilling to support your claims, your opinions and your comments.. You do so constantly on other topics, why? | |||
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"Another very interesting point about Russia in the press today. For all his grave faults , Putin's Moscow glitters with the restored domes of dozens of churches , many full of worshippers . Why are so many Westerners so slow to grasp that Putin's Russsia has totally cast off Communism knowing in grim detail what it really means and is more Christian and less Marxist than we are ." That's your own Conservative and unionist party for you Pat.. Maybe attend a hustling and ask one of the candidates for Pm why their party is so marxist in your opinion.. | |||
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"Yeah, sorry misread your first bit. However you still have highlighted an issue. The fact that some devolved regions get to be less understanding is concerning. Not to mention that when I lived in Norway, and when I visit there, I always encounter/encountered Russians of varying 'minority groups' who explained how they were in or applying for asylum. Most explained how there seemed to be politically endorsed gangs who hounded certain individuals who were or were suspected of being gay, bi, ect. It's on par with how the Russian state made moves to decriminalise domestic abuse, which seems to be rampant." Yes gangs are a problem in Russia and some areas like Chechnya are a very real concern. However that also isnt the point, the point is liberalisim and multiculturalisim wont fix their gang problem or chechnya problem. In parts of America its a growing problem that straight kids have to act gay to fit in with their peers, and its a growing problem that like gay people in the past they have to act gay to fit in. In russia they may have the opposite problem. The most liberal countries in the world have gang problems as cultures segregate themselves and dont mix. Just as bad gang problems as Russia. Sen, London. Liberalism and multiculturalism are not supposed to just make gay peoples lives better, they are supposed to deliver a better world for everyone. Youre supposed to transition from a monoculture country to an open one with no crime or problems. So from that point of view, the experiments were run, and they have not done what they promised, and the concepts are dead in the water as far as he is concerned. | |||
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. It’s quite hypocritical to say that liberalism should be pushed aside. This site would not be here if liberalism was removed. Our society is freer, our rights are protected and we are advanced in our thinking. Putin is an ex KGB man, who has the same soviet style mentality on control of populations. He is just as repressive, he has taken advantage. I’d say love democracy, love liberalism. It is difficult to see why this site would not be here if liberalism were to be removed. You have simply made an assumption. Quite a few people whose nationality is Russian are members of another web site . " In this liberal society of ours known as Great Britain, we have Swingers Clubs and events such as Swingfields and similar. These are places where liberal minded people can meet and engage in sexual encounters. In France there is s place called Cap d’Agde which is the centre of the universe for liberal minded people. In fact the French call those people “Libertines” Do you know how many Swingers Clubs and events are going on in Russia? Do you think that your version of conservatism would be accepting of inter-racial swinging - of bisexual swinging and or all Male / all Female sexual encounters? Where do you draw the line with what you think is acceptable swinging and what isn’t? Is everything ok as long as it is quiet and behind closed doors or is it just ok for men to be able to fuck married women and any other kink or perversion is “too liberal.” Stop being a hypocrite and just accept that liberal attitudes and tolerance go hand in hand and the U.K. and Europe is a far better place than Russia BECAUSE of our liberal and tolerant outlooks. | |||
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"Another very interesting point about Russia in the press today. For all his grave faults , Putin's Moscow glitters with the restored domes of dozens of churches , many full of worshippers . Why are so many Westerners so slow to grasp that Putin's Russsia has totally cast off Communism knowing in grim detail what it really means and is more Christian and less Marxist than we are ." I am married to a Russian. She has just read this thread and your comments. I will spare you the snowflakey need to hit the report button again by not telling you what she makes of things you post. “Durak” | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. And based upon your support for Putin's view and what you have said on this thread it is a logical question to ask you.. Unless as with several other claims you've made its totally false and baseless? If you are that concerned may be asked the interviewer whose name is Lionel Barber and is a journalist for the FT. " You can find out exactly what he thought of Putin here: https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/ft-editor-behind-the-scenes-look-vladimir-putin/ Barber calls the Russian leader a calm and organized person who looks through the interlocutor. At the same time, the head of state is “a cagey person who can catfish an opponent and knows how to put a scare into you,” | |||
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"I'm very left wing but i do all for my family. How is that even possible according to the right wing cunts " Putin is left wing too, just not liberal left wing, conservative left wing, authoritarian. | |||
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" Does the name Shamima Begum ring any Bells? It was so called liberals who were wanting to welcome her back here to the UK with open arms, knowing full well she had joined iSIS. " slight distortion of reality here. what was in fact said, was that it is unlawful under both british and international law to strip a person of their citizenship, regardless of what crimes they may have comitted. Britain is not an authoritarian government that picks and chooses when and where she can ignore the rule of law simply because it is convenient for her to do so. and therin lies the difference - and superiority - bewteen liberal democracy and authoritarianism. There's a reason why so many wealthy Russian and Chinese people buy assets such as property in the UK. In their home countries their government can sieze both themselves and their assets on a whim - not so here in the uk where the rule of law, and not the whims of a dictaor, is sovereign | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. And based upon your support for Putin's view and what you have said on this thread it is a logical question to ask you.. Unless as with several other claims you've made its totally false and baseless? If you are that concerned may be asked the interviewer whose name is Lionel Barber and is a journalist for the FT. I'm asking you based on your points on here which as you usually do you are unable or unwilling to support your claims, your opinions and your comments.. You do so constantly on other topics, why? " Probably because this is a forum in which to read people's opinions. People are hardly going t to change their opinions because of what they read on here . In any event when people ask questions on here , it is not gernslly to obtain an answer because they already know it . It is simply to pick holes in someone's argument hidden behind the anonymity of a computer screen. There may be scenarios in real life where it is necessary to ask questions where there is an impact on here. These forums are simply for casual conversation and to pass idle time .. It is rather bizarre the way some posters on here ( not referring to you specifically ) ask questions to which they already know the answer and then spend endless time picking the answer to pieces. Some posters probably have too much idle time which should be out to better use ( again for referring to you specifically) Detailed analysis is for the real world, not for Cyberland. | |||
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"Another very interesting point about Russia in the press today. For all his grave faults , Putin's Moscow glitters with the restored domes of dozens of churches , many full of worshippers . Why are so many Westerners so slow to grasp that Putin's Russsia has totally cast off Communism knowing in grim detail what it really means and is more Christian and less Marxist than we are . I am married to a Russian. She has just read this thread and your comments. I will spare you the snowflakey need to hit the report button again by not telling you what she makes of things you post. “Durak”" Is her experience of living in Russia recent or pre 1992. ? It is now a completely different country and it would need to be a like for like comparison. | |||
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"Another very interesting point about Russia in the press today. For all his grave faults , Putin's Moscow glitters with the restored domes of dozens of churches , many full of worshippers . Why are so many Westerners so slow to grasp that Putin's Russsia has totally cast off Communism knowing in grim detail what it really means and is more Christian and less Marxist than we are . I am married to a Russian. She has just read this thread and your comments. I will spare you the snowflakey need to hit the report button again by not telling you what she makes of things you post. “Durak” Is her experience of living in Russia recent or pre 1992. ? It is now a completely different country and it would need to be a like for like comparison. " When did you last live in Russia? | |||
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"So, Putin's basically a Tory. Right? A right-wing nationalist who's gone to war against muslims. A homophobe who hankers back to a better time when his country had an empire. Who maintains nuclear weapons just to keep a seat on the UN Security Council; even though the world really doesn't need to take his country seriously. He's pretty much what any Tory leader would be if - like him - they weren't held accountable by the rule of law and a free press. The Germans had a guy just like him in the 1930's and 40's. Very similar views on nationhood, on hatred for minorities. But hey, if you think he's got a point, go ahead and kiss his arse. Just like his money-laundering tory friends in the City do." | |||
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"The reason why liberalism may seem to be in decline at the moment is because, while most liberals agree on the fundamentals of democracy, tolerance and the rule of law, they are completely at odds and divided with each other on economic policy. . " I agree with you. We are living with the consequences of the financial crash, the credit crunch, and what that exposed. Greedy financiers essentially transferred their huge debt onto sovereign states, while the central banks poured cash into the system to maintain the value of assets. The response was prioritised towards protecting the wealth of the capitalists, who then demanded austerity for everyone else to pay for it. That is a deep well of resentment, and it is what the populists tap into. | |||
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"The reason why liberalism may seem to be in decline at the moment is because, while most liberals agree on the fundamentals of democracy, tolerance and the rule of law, they are completely at odds and divided with each other on economic policy. This was also the case the last time authoritarianism started to raise it's ugly head in the 20s and 30s. However, when push came to shove, you got the likes of Churchill (Conservative liberal), Beveridge (Liberal liberal) and Attlee (Socialist liberal) all pulling together to defend our rights and freedoms that can only ever be properly defended by representative Liberal Democratic government. I'm no socialist. I strongly believe in the capitalist system and ever freer and open markets as being the best way to increase prosperity for all. I know a lot of other people won't agree with that but I would rather stand shoulder to shoulder with them than with authoritarian populists, even when they claim to be free marketeers, who so far have delivered nothing anywhere except division and the trampling of individual rights. In the end, even with set backs, democracy always wins through against tyranny and in democracies social liberalism always triumphs over intolerance. " I agree except for the fact that democracy always wins through. In the long term perhaps, but you may have to endure decades of oppression in the interim. Functioning, established emocracy is not actually overthrown. It's usually given away. Venezuela Turkey Russia | |||
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"Yeah, sorry misread your first bit. However you still have highlighted an issue. The fact that some devolved regions get to be less understanding is concerning. Not to mention that when I lived in Norway, and when I visit there, I always encounter/encountered Russians of varying 'minority groups' who explained how they were in or applying for asylum. Most explained how there seemed to be politically endorsed gangs who hounded certain individuals who were or were suspected of being gay, bi, ect. It's on par with how the Russian state made moves to decriminalise domestic abuse, which seems to be rampant. Yes gangs are a problem in Russia and some areas like Chechnya are a very real concern. However that also isnt the point, the point is liberalisim and multiculturalisim wont fix their gang problem or chechnya problem. In parts of America its a growing problem that straight kids have to act gay to fit in with their peers, and its a growing problem that like gay people in the past they have to act gay to fit in. In russia they may have the opposite problem. The most liberal countries in the world have gang problems as cultures segregate themselves and dont mix. Just as bad gang problems as Russia. Sen, London. Liberalism and multiculturalism are not supposed to just make gay peoples lives better, they are supposed to deliver a better world for everyone. Youre supposed to transition from a monoculture country to an open one with no crime or problems. So from that point of view, the experiments were run, and they have not done what they promised, and the concepts are dead in the water as far as he is concerned." In what part of America do kids have to act gay to fit in with their peers? I guarantee you have no actual evidence for this. | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. And based upon your support for Putin's view and what you have said on this thread it is a logical question to ask you.. Unless as with several other claims you've made its totally false and baseless? If you are that concerned may be asked the interviewer whose name is Lionel Barber and is a journalist for the FT. I'm asking you based on your points on here which as you usually do you are unable or unwilling to support your claims, your opinions and your comments.. You do so constantly on other topics, why? Probably because this is a forum in which to read people's opinions. People are hardly going t to change their opinions because of what they read on here . In any event when people ask questions on here , it is not gernslly to obtain an answer because they already know it . It is simply to pick holes in someone's argument hidden behind the anonymity of a computer screen. There may be scenarios in real life where it is necessary to ask questions where there is an impact on here. These forums are simply for casual conversation and to pass idle time .. It is rather bizarre the way some posters on here ( not referring to you specifically ) ask questions to which they already know the answer and then spend endless time picking the answer to pieces. Some posters probably have too much idle time which should be out to better use ( again for referring to you specifically) Detailed analysis is for the real world, not for Cyberland." What you say will be your opinion if you say I prefer chickens eggs to ducks and others will differ but when you Pat come out with actual statements such as more people now want to leave on WTO terms or the silent majority think x, y or z then such statements will and can be challenged.. You make such statements and when challenged refuse to continue the debate, one can only assume your just making stuff up or your arguments are so weak you have nothing of any substance to support your statements.. Which is it? | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. And based upon your support for Putin's view and what you have said on this thread it is a logical question to ask you.. Unless as with several other claims you've made its totally false and baseless? If you are that concerned may be asked the interviewer whose name is Lionel Barber and is a journalist for the FT. I'm asking you based on your points on here which as you usually do you are unable or unwilling to support your claims, your opinions and your comments.. You do so constantly on other topics, why? Probably because this is a forum in which to read people's opinions. People are hardly going t to change their opinions because of what they read on here . In any event when people ask questions on here , it is not gernslly to obtain an answer because they already know it . It is simply to pick holes in someone's argument hidden behind the anonymity of a computer screen. There may be scenarios in real life where it is necessary to ask questions where there is an impact on here. These forums are simply for casual conversation and to pass idle time .. It is rather bizarre the way some posters on here ( not referring to you specifically ) ask questions to which they already know the answer and then spend endless time picking the answer to pieces. Some posters probably have too much idle time which should be out to better use ( again for referring to you specifically) Detailed analysis is for the real world, not for Cyberland. What you say will be your opinion if you say I prefer chickens eggs to ducks and others will differ but when you Pat come out with actual statements such as more people now want to leave on WTO terms or the silent majority think x, y or z then such statements will and can be challenged.. You make such statements and when challenged refuse to continue the debate, one can only assume your just making stuff up or your arguments are so weak you have nothing of any substance to support your statements.. Which is it? " It is neither of these . These forums exist in order to allow people to express their opinions. From a personal perspective I would only need someones opinion , not the facts and figures behind it. If I need to research a topic I would do my own , not spend my time asking others to answer the question on my behalf. Luckily I support the winning parties in quite a few scenarios. What matters is the vote on the day , not the facts and figures behind a win . I judge success on the end result. | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. And based upon your support for Putin's view and what you have said on this thread it is a logical question to ask you.. Unless as with several other claims you've made its totally false and baseless? If you are that concerned may be asked the interviewer whose name is Lionel Barber and is a journalist for the FT. I'm asking you based on your points on here which as you usually do you are unable or unwilling to support your claims, your opinions and your comments.. You do so constantly on other topics, why? Probably because this is a forum in which to read people's opinions. People are hardly going t to change their opinions because of what they read on here . In any event when people ask questions on here , it is not gernslly to obtain an answer because they already know it . It is simply to pick holes in someone's argument hidden behind the anonymity of a computer screen. There may be scenarios in real life where it is necessary to ask questions where there is an impact on here. These forums are simply for casual conversation and to pass idle time .. It is rather bizarre the way some posters on here ( not referring to you specifically ) ask questions to which they already know the answer and then spend endless time picking the answer to pieces. Some posters probably have too much idle time which should be out to better use ( again for referring to you specifically) Detailed analysis is for the real world, not for Cyberland. What you say will be your opinion if you say I prefer chickens eggs to ducks and others will differ but when you Pat come out with actual statements such as more people now want to leave on WTO terms or the silent majority think x, y or z then such statements will and can be challenged.. You make such statements and when challenged refuse to continue the debate, one can only assume your just making stuff up or your arguments are so weak you have nothing of any substance to support your statements.. Which is it? It is neither of these . These forums exist in order to allow people to express their opinions. From a personal perspective I would only need someones opinion , not the facts and figures behind it. If I need to research a topic I would do my own , not spend my time asking others to answer the question on my behalf. Luckily I support the winning parties in quite a few scenarios. What matters is the vote on the day , not the facts and figures behind a win . I judge success on the end result. " Well then your opinion on this thread is wrong.. Mate who the fuck cares who you say you voted for, you could be lying through your keyboard in some insecurity driven need to associate with something you see as successful.. | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. And based upon your support for Putin's view and what you have said on this thread it is a logical question to ask you.. Unless as with several other claims you've made its totally false and baseless? If you are that concerned may be asked the interviewer whose name is Lionel Barber and is a journalist for the FT. I'm asking you based on your points on here which as you usually do you are unable or unwilling to support your claims, your opinions and your comments.. You do so constantly on other topics, why? Probably because this is a forum in which to read people's opinions. People are hardly going t to change their opinions because of what they read on here . In any event when people ask questions on here , it is not gernslly to obtain an answer because they already know it . It is simply to pick holes in someone's argument hidden behind the anonymity of a computer screen. There may be scenarios in real life where it is necessary to ask questions where there is an impact on here. These forums are simply for casual conversation and to pass idle time .. It is rather bizarre the way some posters on here ( not referring to you specifically ) ask questions to which they already know the answer and then spend endless time picking the answer to pieces. Some posters probably have too much idle time which should be out to better use ( again for referring to you specifically) Detailed analysis is for the real world, not for Cyberland. What you say will be your opinion if you say I prefer chickens eggs to ducks and others will differ but when you Pat come out with actual statements such as more people now want to leave on WTO terms or the silent majority think x, y or z then such statements will and can be challenged.. You make such statements and when challenged refuse to continue the debate, one can only assume your just making stuff up or your arguments are so weak you have nothing of any substance to support your statements.. Which is it? It is neither of these . These forums exist in order to allow people to express their opinions. From a personal perspective I would only need someones opinion , not the facts and figures behind it. If I need to research a topic I would do my own , not spend my time asking others to answer the question on my behalf. Luckily I support the winning parties in quite a few scenarios. What matters is the vote on the day , not the facts and figures behind a win . I judge success on the end result. Well then your opinion on this thread is wrong.. Mate who the fuck cares who you say you voted for, you could be lying through your keyboard in some insecurity driven need to associate with something you see as successful.. " However most people would regard supporting the winning parties as being an indication that their views are in line with the general consensus of the population . If you want answers to all the questions that you ask maybe take out a subscription to a few newspapers. It also has the advantage of getting you out of the house early in the morning, getting some exercise, putting something back into the local economy and being a friend of the news agents concerned . I buy newspapers in four different locations, the news agents are a variety of nationalities and I am on first name terms with some of them. I have even been able to give one detailed advice on one issue and another has given me considerable help on another issue. None have refused to sell me the newspapers because they consider the content in them to be untrue . Unlike this forum the content of what can be published in a newspaper is strictly governed. If you want your questions answered I am not going to waste my time doing it here . If you go to the newsagents and but a copy of today's Sunday Times most of your questions are answered on page 25.. You might also like to buy the Sunday Telegraph and note the article on page 8 middle column at the bottom. Reading and absorbing the content of newspapers is a lot more beneficial that reading the ramblings of various keyboard warriors on here . | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. And based upon your support for Putin's view and what you have said on this thread it is a logical question to ask you.. Unless as with several other claims you've made its totally false and baseless? If you are that concerned may be asked the interviewer whose name is Lionel Barber and is a journalist for the FT. I'm asking you based on your points on here which as you usually do you are unable or unwilling to support your claims, your opinions and your comments.. You do so constantly on other topics, why? Probably because this is a forum in which to read people's opinions. People are hardly going t to change their opinions because of what they read on here . In any event when people ask questions on here , it is not gernslly to obtain an answer because they already know it . It is simply to pick holes in someone's argument hidden behind the anonymity of a computer screen. There may be scenarios in real life where it is necessary to ask questions where there is an impact on here. These forums are simply for casual conversation and to pass idle time .. It is rather bizarre the way some posters on here ( not referring to you specifically ) ask questions to which they already know the answer and then spend endless time picking the answer to pieces. Some posters probably have too much idle time which should be out to better use ( again for referring to you specifically) Detailed analysis is for the real world, not for Cyberland. What you say will be your opinion if you say I prefer chickens eggs to ducks and others will differ but when you Pat come out with actual statements such as more people now want to leave on WTO terms or the silent majority think x, y or z then such statements will and can be challenged.. You make such statements and when challenged refuse to continue the debate, one can only assume your just making stuff up or your arguments are so weak you have nothing of any substance to support your statements.. Which is it? It is neither of these . These forums exist in order to allow people to express their opinions. From a personal perspective I would only need someones opinion , not the facts and figures behind it. If I need to research a topic I would do my own , not spend my time asking others to answer the question on my behalf. Luckily I support the winning parties in quite a few scenarios. What matters is the vote on the day , not the facts and figures behind a win . I judge success on the end result. Well then your opinion on this thread is wrong.. Mate who the fuck cares who you say you voted for, you could be lying through your keyboard in some insecurity driven need to associate with something you see as successful.. However most people would regard supporting the winning parties as being an indication that their views are in line with the general consensus of the population . If you want answers to all the questions that you ask maybe take out a subscription to a few newspapers. It also has the advantage of getting you out of the house early in the morning, getting some exercise, putting something back into the local economy and being a friend of the news agents concerned . I buy newspapers in four different locations, the news agents are a variety of nationalities and I am on first name terms with some of them. I have even been able to give one detailed advice on one issue and another has given me considerable help on another issue. None have refused to sell me the newspapers because they consider the content in them to be untrue . Unlike this forum the content of what can be published in a newspaper is strictly governed. If you want your questions answered I am not going to waste my time doing it here . If you go to the newsagents and but a copy of today's Sunday Times most of your questions are answered on page 25.. You might also like to buy the Sunday Telegraph and note the article on page 8 middle column at the bottom. Reading and absorbing the content of newspapers is a lot more beneficial that reading the ramblings of various keyboard warriors on here ." I'm constantly staggered by your ability to write so much but at the same time say little either of value or otherwise. | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. And based upon your support for Putin's view and what you have said on this thread it is a logical question to ask you.. Unless as with several other claims you've made its totally false and baseless? If you are that concerned may be asked the interviewer whose name is Lionel Barber and is a journalist for the FT. I'm asking you based on your points on here which as you usually do you are unable or unwilling to support your claims, your opinions and your comments.. You do so constantly on other topics, why? Probably because this is a forum in which to read people's opinions. People are hardly going t to change their opinions because of what they read on here . In any event when people ask questions on here , it is not gernslly to obtain an answer because they already know it . It is simply to pick holes in someone's argument hidden behind the anonymity of a computer screen. There may be scenarios in real life where it is necessary to ask questions where there is an impact on here. These forums are simply for casual conversation and to pass idle time .. It is rather bizarre the way some posters on here ( not referring to you specifically ) ask questions to which they already know the answer and then spend endless time picking the answer to pieces. Some posters probably have too much idle time which should be out to better use ( again for referring to you specifically) Detailed analysis is for the real world, not for Cyberland. What you say will be your opinion if you say I prefer chickens eggs to ducks and others will differ but when you Pat come out with actual statements such as more people now want to leave on WTO terms or the silent majority think x, y or z then such statements will and can be challenged.. You make such statements and when challenged refuse to continue the debate, one can only assume your just making stuff up or your arguments are so weak you have nothing of any substance to support your statements.. Which is it? It is neither of these . These forums exist in order to allow people to express their opinions. From a personal perspective I would only need someones opinion , not the facts and figures behind it. If I need to research a topic I would do my own , not spend my time asking others to answer the question on my behalf. Luckily I support the winning parties in quite a few scenarios. What matters is the vote on the day , not the facts and figures behind a win . I judge success on the end result. Well then your opinion on this thread is wrong.. Mate who the fuck cares who you say you voted for, you could be lying through your keyboard in some insecurity driven need to associate with something you see as successful.. However most people would regard supporting the winning parties as being an indication that their views are in line with the general consensus of the population . If you want answers to all the questions that you ask maybe take out a subscription to a few newspapers. It also has the advantage of getting you out of the house early in the morning, getting some exercise, putting something back into the local economy and being a friend of the news agents concerned . I buy newspapers in four different locations, the news agents are a variety of nationalities and I am on first name terms with some of them. I have even been able to give one detailed advice on one issue and another has given me considerable help on another issue. None have refused to sell me the newspapers because they consider the content in them to be untrue . Unlike this forum the content of what can be published in a newspaper is strictly governed. If you want your questions answered I am not going to waste my time doing it here . If you go to the newsagents and but a copy of today's Sunday Times most of your questions are answered on page 25.. You might also like to buy the Sunday Telegraph and note the article on page 8 middle column at the bottom. Reading and absorbing the content of newspapers is a lot more beneficial that reading the ramblings of various keyboard warriors on here ." Are you saying I should just ignore your posts then..? | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. And based upon your support for Putin's view and what you have said on this thread it is a logical question to ask you.. Unless as with several other claims you've made its totally false and baseless? If you are that concerned may be asked the interviewer whose name is Lionel Barber and is a journalist for the FT. I'm asking you based on your points on here which as you usually do you are unable or unwilling to support your claims, your opinions and your comments.. You do so constantly on other topics, why? Probably because this is a forum in which to read people's opinions. People are hardly going t to change their opinions because of what they read on here . In any event when people ask questions on here , it is not gernslly to obtain an answer because they already know it . It is simply to pick holes in someone's argument hidden behind the anonymity of a computer screen. There may be scenarios in real life where it is necessary to ask questions where there is an impact on here. These forums are simply for casual conversation and to pass idle time .. It is rather bizarre the way some posters on here ( not referring to you specifically ) ask questions to which they already know the answer and then spend endless time picking the answer to pieces. Some posters probably have too much idle time which should be out to better use ( again for referring to you specifically) Detailed analysis is for the real world, not for Cyberland. What you say will be your opinion if you say I prefer chickens eggs to ducks and others will differ but when you Pat come out with actual statements such as more people now want to leave on WTO terms or the silent majority think x, y or z then such statements will and can be challenged.. You make such statements and when challenged refuse to continue the debate, one can only assume your just making stuff up or your arguments are so weak you have nothing of any substance to support your statements.. Which is it? It is neither of these . These forums exist in order to allow people to express their opinions. From a personal perspective I would only need someones opinion , not the facts and figures behind it. If I need to research a topic I would do my own , not spend my time asking others to answer the question on my behalf. Luckily I support the winning parties in quite a few scenarios. What matters is the vote on the day , not the facts and figures behind a win . I judge success on the end result. Well then your opinion on this thread is wrong.. Mate who the fuck cares who you say you voted for, you could be lying through your keyboard in some insecurity driven need to associate with something you see as successful.. However most people would regard supporting the winning parties as being an indication that their views are in line with the general consensus of the population . If you want answers to all the questions that you ask maybe take out a subscription to a few newspapers. It also has the advantage of getting you out of the house early in the morning, getting some exercise, putting something back into the local economy and being a friend of the news agents concerned . I buy newspapers in four different locations, the news agents are a variety of nationalities and I am on first name terms with some of them. I have even been able to give one detailed advice on one issue and another has given me considerable help on another issue. None have refused to sell me the newspapers because they consider the content in them to be untrue . Unlike this forum the content of what can be published in a newspaper is strictly governed. If you want your questions answered I am not going to waste my time doing it here . If you go to the newsagents and but a copy of today's Sunday Times most of your questions are answered on page 25.. You might also like to buy the Sunday Telegraph and note the article on page 8 middle column at the bottom. Reading and absorbing the content of newspapers is a lot more beneficial that reading the ramblings of various keyboard warriors on here . I'm constantly staggered by your ability to write so much but at the same time say little either of value or otherwise. " Aw come on its almost like helpful lifestyle coaching.. Disguised as vacuous piffle.. | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. And based upon your support for Putin's view and what you have said on this thread it is a logical question to ask you.. Unless as with several other claims you've made its totally false and baseless? If you are that concerned may be asked the interviewer whose name is Lionel Barber and is a journalist for the FT. I'm asking you based on your points on here which as you usually do you are unable or unwilling to support your claims, your opinions and your comments.. You do so constantly on other topics, why? Probably because this is a forum in which to read people's opinions. People are hardly going t to change their opinions because of what they read on here . In any event when people ask questions on here , it is not gernslly to obtain an answer because they already know it . It is simply to pick holes in someone's argument hidden behind the anonymity of a computer screen. There may be scenarios in real life where it is necessary to ask questions where there is an impact on here. These forums are simply for casual conversation and to pass idle time .. It is rather bizarre the way some posters on here ( not referring to you specifically ) ask questions to which they already know the answer and then spend endless time picking the answer to pieces. Some posters probably have too much idle time which should be out to better use ( again for referring to you specifically) Detailed analysis is for the real world, not for Cyberland. What you say will be your opinion if you say I prefer chickens eggs to ducks and others will differ but when you Pat come out with actual statements such as more people now want to leave on WTO terms or the silent majority think x, y or z then such statements will and can be challenged.. You make such statements and when challenged refuse to continue the debate, one can only assume your just making stuff up or your arguments are so weak you have nothing of any substance to support your statements.. Which is it? It is neither of these . These forums exist in order to allow people to express their opinions. From a personal perspective I would only need someones opinion , not the facts and figures behind it. If I need to research a topic I would do my own , not spend my time asking others to answer the question on my behalf. Luckily I support the winning parties in quite a few scenarios. What matters is the vote on the day , not the facts and figures behind a win . I judge success on the end result. Well then your opinion on this thread is wrong.. Mate who the fuck cares who you say you voted for, you could be lying through your keyboard in some insecurity driven need to associate with something you see as successful.. However most people would regard supporting the winning parties as being an indication that their views are in line with the general consensus of the population . If you want answers to all the questions that you ask maybe take out a subscription to a few newspapers. It also has the advantage of getting you out of the house early in the morning, getting some exercise, putting something back into the local economy and being a friend of the news agents concerned . I buy newspapers in four different locations, the news agents are a variety of nationalities and I am on first name terms with some of them. I have even been able to give one detailed advice on one issue and another has given me considerable help on another issue. None have refused to sell me the newspapers because they consider the content in them to be untrue . Unlike this forum the content of what can be published in a newspaper is strictly governed. If you want your questions answered I am not going to waste my time doing it here . If you go to the newsagents and but a copy of today's Sunday Times most of your questions are answered on page 25.. You might also like to buy the Sunday Telegraph and note the article on page 8 middle column at the bottom. Reading and absorbing the content of newspapers is a lot more beneficial that reading the ramblings of various keyboard warriors on here . I'm constantly staggered by your ability to write so much but at the same time say little either of value or otherwise. " I was unaware that any post made on here should have to say anything of value.If people browsing the forums wanted posts of value they would hardly be using posts on here as their source data. In any event there is a very interesting article in today's Sunday Telegraph on the topic of this post. A complete page is dedicated to it. My guess is that it's content would make some posters on here livid with rage . What matters is how you use your knowledge is real life , how you use it on here is completely irrelevant . | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. And based upon your support for Putin's view and what you have said on this thread it is a logical question to ask you.. Unless as with several other claims you've made its totally false and baseless? If you are that concerned may be asked the interviewer whose name is Lionel Barber and is a journalist for the FT. I'm asking you based on your points on here which as you usually do you are unable or unwilling to support your claims, your opinions and your comments.. You do so constantly on other topics, why? Probably because this is a forum in which to read people's opinions. People are hardly going t to change their opinions because of what they read on here . In any event when people ask questions on here , it is not gernslly to obtain an answer because they already know it . It is simply to pick holes in someone's argument hidden behind the anonymity of a computer screen. There may be scenarios in real life where it is necessary to ask questions where there is an impact on here. These forums are simply for casual conversation and to pass idle time .. It is rather bizarre the way some posters on here ( not referring to you specifically ) ask questions to which they already know the answer and then spend endless time picking the answer to pieces. Some posters probably have too much idle time which should be out to better use ( again for referring to you specifically) Detailed analysis is for the real world, not for Cyberland. What you say will be your opinion if you say I prefer chickens eggs to ducks and others will differ but when you Pat come out with actual statements such as more people now want to leave on WTO terms or the silent majority think x, y or z then such statements will and can be challenged.. You make such statements and when challenged refuse to continue the debate, one can only assume your just making stuff up or your arguments are so weak you have nothing of any substance to support your statements.. Which is it? It is neither of these . These forums exist in order to allow people to express their opinions. From a personal perspective I would only need someones opinion , not the facts and figures behind it. If I need to research a topic I would do my own , not spend my time asking others to answer the question on my behalf. Luckily I support the winning parties in quite a few scenarios. What matters is the vote on the day , not the facts and figures behind a win . I judge success on the end result. Well then your opinion on this thread is wrong.. Mate who the fuck cares who you say you voted for, you could be lying through your keyboard in some insecurity driven need to associate with something you see as successful.. However most people would regard supporting the winning parties as being an indication that their views are in line with the general consensus of the population . If you want answers to all the questions that you ask maybe take out a subscription to a few newspapers. It also has the advantage of getting you out of the house early in the morning, getting some exercise, putting something back into the local economy and being a friend of the news agents concerned . I buy newspapers in four different locations, the news agents are a variety of nationalities and I am on first name terms with some of them. I have even been able to give one detailed advice on one issue and another has given me considerable help on another issue. None have refused to sell me the newspapers because they consider the content in them to be untrue . Unlike this forum the content of what can be published in a newspaper is strictly governed. If you want your questions answered I am not going to waste my time doing it here . If you go to the newsagents and but a copy of today's Sunday Times most of your questions are answered on page 25.. You might also like to buy the Sunday Telegraph and note the article on page 8 middle column at the bottom. Reading and absorbing the content of newspapers is a lot more beneficial that reading the ramblings of various keyboard warriors on here . I'm constantly staggered by your ability to write so much but at the same time say little either of value or otherwise. I was unaware that any post made on here should have to say anything of value.If people browsing the forums wanted posts of value they would hardly be using posts on here as their source data. In any event there is a very interesting article in today's Sunday Telegraph on the topic of this post. A complete page is dedicated to it. My guess is that it's content would make some posters on here livid with rage . What matters is how you use your knowledge is real life , how you use it on here is completely irrelevant . " I use the links and information and the go do my own reseatch ... Makes sure in not in my own echo chamber. But like I said, if someone has a Chinese wall between their real life, the knowledge they have, the opinions they form, and keep that seperate from their cyber views here, well that seems an unnecessary amount of energy to me. Ps anybody read the telegraph. Can't see anything on the website which looks relevant to this topic. Be interested in raging tonight!! | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. And based upon your support for Putin's view and what you have said on this thread it is a logical question to ask you.. Unless as with several other claims you've made its totally false and baseless? If you are that concerned may be asked the interviewer whose name is Lionel Barber and is a journalist for the FT. I'm asking you based on your points on here which as you usually do you are unable or unwilling to support your claims, your opinions and your comments.. You do so constantly on other topics, why? Probably because this is a forum in which to read people's opinions. People are hardly going t to change their opinions because of what they read on here . In any event when people ask questions on here , it is not gernslly to obtain an answer because they already know it . It is simply to pick holes in someone's argument hidden behind the anonymity of a computer screen. There may be scenarios in real life where it is necessary to ask questions where there is an impact on here. These forums are simply for casual conversation and to pass idle time .. It is rather bizarre the way some posters on here ( not referring to you specifically ) ask questions to which they already know the answer and then spend endless time picking the answer to pieces. Some posters probably have too much idle time which should be out to better use ( again for referring to you specifically) Detailed analysis is for the real world, not for Cyberland. What you say will be your opinion if you say I prefer chickens eggs to ducks and others will differ but when you Pat come out with actual statements such as more people now want to leave on WTO terms or the silent majority think x, y or z then such statements will and can be challenged.. You make such statements and when challenged refuse to continue the debate, one can only assume your just making stuff up or your arguments are so weak you have nothing of any substance to support your statements.. Which is it? It is neither of these . These forums exist in order to allow people to express their opinions. From a personal perspective I would only need someones opinion , not the facts and figures behind it. If I need to research a topic I would do my own , not spend my time asking others to answer the question on my behalf. Luckily I support the winning parties in quite a few scenarios. What matters is the vote on the day , not the facts and figures behind a win . I judge success on the end result. Well then your opinion on this thread is wrong.. Mate who the fuck cares who you say you voted for, you could be lying through your keyboard in some insecurity driven need to associate with something you see as successful.. However most people would regard supporting the winning parties as being an indication that their views are in line with the general consensus of the population . If you want answers to all the questions that you ask maybe take out a subscription to a few newspapers. It also has the advantage of getting you out of the house early in the morning, getting some exercise, putting something back into the local economy and being a friend of the news agents concerned . I buy newspapers in four different locations, the news agents are a variety of nationalities and I am on first name terms with some of them. I have even been able to give one detailed advice on one issue and another has given me considerable help on another issue. None have refused to sell me the newspapers because they consider the content in them to be untrue . Unlike this forum the content of what can be published in a newspaper is strictly governed. If you want your questions answered I am not going to waste my time doing it here . If you go to the newsagents and but a copy of today's Sunday Times most of your questions are answered on page 25.. You might also like to buy the Sunday Telegraph and note the article on page 8 middle column at the bottom. Reading and absorbing the content of newspapers is a lot more beneficial that reading the ramblings of various keyboard warriors on here . I'm constantly staggered by your ability to write so much but at the same time say little either of value or otherwise. I was unaware that any post made on here should have to say anything of value.If people browsing the forums wanted posts of value they would hardly be using posts on here as their source data. In any event there is a very interesting article in today's Sunday Telegraph on the topic of this post. A complete page is dedicated to it. My guess is that it's content would make some posters on here livid with rage . What matters is how you use your knowledge is real life , how you use it on here is completely irrelevant . I use the links and information and the go do my own reseatch ... Makes sure in not in my own echo chamber. But like I said, if someone has a Chinese wall between their real life, the knowledge they have, the opinions they form, and keep that seperate from their cyber views here, well that seems an unnecessary amount of energy to me. Ps anybody read the telegraph. Can't see anything on the website which looks relevant to this topic. Be interested in raging tonight!! " Hi. I read the Telegraph. It is people like me who keep the paper in business ( in addition to buying two other papers every day ). Maybe pop down to your local garage and buy a copy. | |||
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. And based upon your support for Putin's view and what you have said on this thread it is a logical question to ask you.. Unless as with several other claims you've made its totally false and baseless? If you are that concerned may be asked the interviewer whose name is Lionel Barber and is a journalist for the FT. I'm asking you based on your points on here which as you usually do you are unable or unwilling to support your claims, your opinions and your comments.. You do so constantly on other topics, why? Probably because this is a forum in which to read people's opinions. People are hardly going t to change their opinions because of what they read on here . In any event when people ask questions on here , it is not gernslly to obtain an answer because they already know it . It is simply to pick holes in someone's argument hidden behind the anonymity of a computer screen. There may be scenarios in real life where it is necessary to ask questions where there is an impact on here. These forums are simply for casual conversation and to pass idle time .. It is rather bizarre the way some posters on here ( not referring to you specifically ) ask questions to which they already know the answer and then spend endless time picking the answer to pieces. Some posters probably have too much idle time which should be out to better use ( again for referring to you specifically) Detailed analysis is for the real world, not for Cyberland. What you say will be your opinion if you say I prefer chickens eggs to ducks and others will differ but when you Pat come out with actual statements such as more people now want to leave on WTO terms or the silent majority think x, y or z then such statements will and can be challenged.. You make such statements and when challenged refuse to continue the debate, one can only assume your just making stuff up or your arguments are so weak you have nothing of any substance to support your statements.. Which is it? It is neither of these . These forums exist in order to allow people to express their opinions. From a personal perspective I would only need someones opinion , not the facts and figures behind it. If I need to research a topic I would do my own , not spend my time asking others to answer the question on my behalf. Luckily I support the winning parties in quite a few scenarios. What matters is the vote on the day , not the facts and figures behind a win . I judge success on the end result. Well then your opinion on this thread is wrong.. Mate who the fuck cares who you say you voted for, you could be lying through your keyboard in some insecurity driven need to associate with something you see as successful.. However most people would regard supporting the winning parties as being an indication that their views are in line with the general consensus of the population . If you want answers to all the questions that you ask maybe take out a subscription to a few newspapers. It also has the advantage of getting you out of the house early in the morning, getting some exercise, putting something back into the local economy and being a friend of the news agents concerned . I buy newspapers in four different locations, the news agents are a variety of nationalities and I am on first name terms with some of them. I have even been able to give one detailed advice on one issue and another has given me considerable help on another issue. None have refused to sell me the newspapers because they consider the content in them to be untrue . Unlike this forum the content of what can be published in a newspaper is strictly governed. If you want your questions answered I am not going to waste my time doing it here . If you go to the newsagents and but a copy of today's Sunday Times most of your questions are answered on page 25.. You might also like to buy the Sunday Telegraph and note the article on page 8 middle column at the bottom. Reading and absorbing the content of newspapers is a lot more beneficial that reading the ramblings of various keyboard warriors on here . I'm constantly staggered by your ability to write so much but at the same time say little either of value or otherwise. I was unaware that any post made on here should have to say anything of value.If people browsing the forums wanted posts of value they would hardly be using posts on here as their source data. In any event there is a very interesting article in today's Sunday Telegraph on the topic of this post. A complete page is dedicated to it. My guess is that it's content would make some posters on here livid with rage . What matters is how you use your knowledge is real life , how you use it on here is completely irrelevant . " Are you trolling yourself now? "I was unaware that any post made on here should have to say anything of value"
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"Looking at what Putin said I see it as a bit of a desparate false claim, bit like the posters on here and social media gob shites like Hopkins and that vile guy in the States who rail on about the pc brigade and their right to free speech which in reality is hate speech without recourse.. The divisions that people like Putin want in this country and the Eu are part of a longer game.. Yes there has been increases in racially and homophobic motivated attacks but the cancer of this is not spreading and will wane.. Ditto the push for nationalism and the issues that has brought, the majority see it for what it is and don't want it.. If you were to read what Putin actually said , he clearly stated that everyone should be treated equally. I guess the truth about what Putin actually stated would not suit your agenda. A person has got to be a troll, thick as pig muck or doesn't know what their talking about to take the words of Putin as face value.. Care to answer how these minorities your so worried about have affected your life..? The article is self explanatory and had nothing to do with Russia. It illustated perfectly that Liberalism has had its day. In am guessing that you have not read the article and as such would not be in a position to make any meaningful comments . You have simply typed out the type of comments which you think some posters on here would like to see. And based upon your support for Putin's view and what you have said on this thread it is a logical question to ask you.. Unless as with several other claims you've made its totally false and baseless? If you are that concerned may be asked the interviewer whose name is Lionel Barber and is a journalist for the FT. I'm asking you based on your points on here which as you usually do you are unable or unwilling to support your claims, your opinions and your comments.. You do so constantly on other topics, why? Probably because this is a forum in which to read people's opinions. People are hardly going t to change their opinions because of what they read on here . In any event when people ask questions on here , it is not gernslly to obtain an answer because they already know it . It is simply to pick holes in someone's argument hidden behind the anonymity of a computer screen. There may be scenarios in real life where it is necessary to ask questions where there is an impact on here. These forums are simply for casual conversation and to pass idle time .. It is rather bizarre the way some posters on here ( not referring to you specifically ) ask questions to which they already know the answer and then spend endless time picking the answer to pieces. Some posters probably have too much idle time which should be out to better use ( again for referring to you specifically) Detailed analysis is for the real world, not for Cyberland. What you say will be your opinion if you say I prefer chickens eggs to ducks and others will differ but when you Pat come out with actual statements such as more people now want to leave on WTO terms or the silent majority think x, y or z then such statements will and can be challenged.. You make such statements and when challenged refuse to continue the debate, one can only assume your just making stuff up or your arguments are so weak you have nothing of any substance to support your statements.. Which is it? It is neither of these . These forums exist in order to allow people to express their opinions. From a personal perspective I would only need someones opinion , not the facts and figures behind it. If I need to research a topic I would do my own , not spend my time asking others to answer the question on my behalf. Luckily I support the winning parties in quite a few scenarios. What matters is the vote on the day , not the facts and figures behind a win . I judge success on the end result. Well then your opinion on this thread is wrong.. Mate who the fuck cares who you say you voted for, you could be lying through your keyboard in some insecurity driven need to associate with something you see as successful.. However most people would regard supporting the winning parties as being an indication that their views are in line with the general consensus of the population . If you want answers to all the questions that you ask maybe take out a subscription to a few newspapers. It also has the advantage of getting you out of the house early in the morning, getting some exercise, putting something back into the local economy and being a friend of the news agents concerned . I buy newspapers in four different locations, the news agents are a variety of nationalities and I am on first name terms with some of them. I have even been able to give one detailed advice on one issue and another has given me considerable help on another issue. None have refused to sell me the newspapers because they consider the content in them to be untrue . Unlike this forum the content of what can be published in a newspaper is strictly governed. If you want your questions answered I am not going to waste my time doing it here . If you go to the newsagents and but a copy of today's Sunday Times most of your questions are answered on page 25.. You might also like to buy the Sunday Telegraph and note the article on page 8 middle column at the bottom. Reading and absorbing the content of newspapers is a lot more beneficial that reading the ramblings of various keyboard warriors on here . I'm constantly staggered by your ability to write so much but at the same time say little either of value or otherwise. I was unaware that any post made on here should have to say anything of value.If people browsing the forums wanted posts of value they would hardly be using posts on here as their source data. In any event there is a very interesting article in today's Sunday Telegraph on the topic of this post. A complete page is dedicated to it. My guess is that it's content would make some posters on here livid with rage . What matters is how you use your knowledge is real life , how you use it on here is completely irrelevant . Are you trolling yourself now? "I was unaware that any post made on here should have to say anything of value"
Then you mention an article but give zero information about it.
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"Vladimir Putin made a few very interesting comments about liberalism in Europe and Western views on gay rights, immigration and multi culturism which he claimed were an attack on traditional family values. In an interview with the Financial Times he said that the liberal idea was on its way out as the public turned its back on these issues . Liberals cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over recent decades. At least Putin speaks for the silent majority of people in the UK who still appreciate the important of family values . It is time that the silent majority of UK residents emphasized to the various minority groups they they are just that ( A minority ). Just because someone shouts loudly does not mean we should have to accept their ideas. I have always found that those who claim to be liberal are those who are the most intolerant of anyone whose ideas disagree with their options. Hopefully we are now at a turning point and that liberalism will now be pushed aside. It’s quite hypocritical to say that liberalism should be pushed aside. This site would not be here if liberalism was removed. Our society is freer, our rights are protected and we are advanced in our thinking. Putin is an ex KGB man, who has the same soviet style mentality on control of populations. He is just as repressive, he has taken advantage. I’d say love democracy, love liberalism. It is difficult to see why this site would not be here if liberalism were to be removed. You have simply made an assumption. Quite a few people whose nationality is Russian are members of another web site . " And thats my right, just like you have the right to say what you want. Democracy, free speech, all accepted norms in a liberal society. Love democracy, love liberalism. | |||
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"Sunday shite over - for a week. Dome strong, well expressed perspectives, as well as the opposite, for good measure. The forum does allow you to get some insight into the basic mechanics of some thinking processes, often people who are very different from those we may encounter outside. Have a great week everyone " | |||
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"Sunday shite over - for a week. Dome strong, well expressed perspectives, as well as the opposite, for good measure. The forum does allow you to get some insight into the basic mechanics of some thinking processes, often people who are very different from those we may encounter outside. Have a great week everyone "I guess by your comments that you do not read the Sunday newspapers | |||
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