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Brexit started with a referendum, we should finish it with a referendum,’ says Leave-backing Iceland
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"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess." The third choice will result in even more mess than it is now. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess." Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. | |||
" The third choice will result in even more mess than it is now." I agree. But it would provide a mandate that does not exist at present. | |||
"https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/question-time-panel-brexit-referendum-second-vote-iceland-boss-richard-walker-leave-last-night-video/ “So my view is that now we know what the two choices are. That the stone cold reality is it’s either no-Deal or no Brexit because there is no other magical Brexit deal out there that can be had just with a bit more charisma.” Is Richard Walker a traitor or is he being sensible and pragmatic?" . Jacob Rees Mogg also said there should be a referendum on the terms of any negotiated deal | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. " Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information? | |||
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"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?" 
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity."Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy."You are not stupid. Far from it. However, I do not think that many people anywhere really understand what WTO terms of trade are. They believe, or choose to believe a very simplified explanation that suits them or the people "explaining" it. What do you think WTO terms of trade are? What options do you think we have when we move to them? How do we move to them? | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity."Ignorance can be cured with education crazy can be cured with medication but stupidity is often incurable.  | |||
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"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy."I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it."If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ? | |||
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"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?"I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU . | |||
"https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/question-time-panel-brexit-referendum-second-vote-iceland-boss-richard-walker-leave-last-night-video/ “So my view is that now we know what the two choices are. That the stone cold reality is it’s either no-Deal or no Brexit because there is no other magical Brexit deal out there that can be had just with a bit more charisma.” Is Richard Walker a traitor or is he being sensible and pragmatic?" In my humble opinion, I think when leave backing business leaders are saying things like this, that should be an eye opening moment for the country. Business needs certainty and there currently isn't any as neither Johnson or Hunt are capable of getting any other option than Mays deal, no deal or no brexit, leaving us in exactly the same limbo as we were in before she resigned as PM. As parliament is full of self serving politicians (on both sides of the argument) who can't reach agreement, I think he is right. Bring it back to the people, the only change I would make is add the third option of May's deal, that way the ballot is weighted in favour of Brexit as a nod to the previous referendum result | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU ."Well you just keep on educating them mate. | |||
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"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU ."So what is the basic knowledge we should know.? Bullet points are ok, nice and simple please | |||
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"There are many reasons why a referendum on the final choices, should be put back to the electorate, apart from the initital one having been sustained from dishonesty, foreign governments influencing the decision, campaigning rules being broken by leave etc. As the UK has been within the EU for so many decades, which has resulted in citizens making massive changes and investments during their lives, such as - forming lives abroad, investing time in qualifications to support them working in countries other than the UK, which may be worthless after a no deal exit, businesses investing £billions - both UK, as well as overseas ones investing in the UK peoples' livelihoods based upon EU membership And the likely shorter-term financial losses that many people will face, alongside a degraded quality of life and maybe their health. For some people this could be for the rest of their lives, if they've only a few years to live. Such substantial changes to people shouldn't have been expected to follow from a simple binary vote, especially upon incredibly complex matters that most people shouldn't have been expected to master sufficient understanding of, in order to force changes onto millions of others. It was wrong. As was not having a very high minimum threshold level set, such as a minimum 80-90% of the eligible population voting for the change. As the end result of negotiations etc are so very different from the initially promised outcome, which will mean even greater divergence from what people had voted for, which will impose severe changes to millions of lives, then it's right and proper for the government to seek to understand the public perception and only to leave the EU if an 80-90% of all adults who will be affected vote to accept such conditions and if parliament deems it appropriate." Do not get me wrong, I am most definitely a remainer, however I think that an 80-90% threshold for a public referendum is completely ridiculous and un-democratic! One side (regardless of which side it happens to be) should not be weighted so heavily in favour. the original referendum was as fair as any general election, the problem is, politicians are self serving on both sides of the debate and so have ground us to a standstill, therefore we should go back to the people to re-instruct them in the wishes of the people. if the country still wants brexit it will vote for it again, if it doesnt, it wont, but politicians will have no lies to hide behind this time as the only options are Mays deal which everybody now knows inside out, no deal, which everybody now understands, or revoke article 50 and remain which is also now fully understood. | |||
"There are many reasons why a referendum on the final choices, should be put back to the electorate, apart from the initital one having been sustained from dishonesty, foreign governments influencing the decision, campaigning rules being broken by leave etc. As the UK has been within the EU for so many decades, which has resulted in citizens making massive changes and investments during their lives, such as - forming lives abroad, investing time in qualifications to support them working in countries other than the UK, which may be worthless after a no deal exit, businesses investing £billions - both UK, as well as overseas ones investing in the UK peoples' livelihoods based upon EU membership And the likely shorter-term financial losses that many people will face, alongside a degraded quality of life and maybe their health. For some people this could be for the rest of their lives, if they've only a few years to live. Such substantial changes to people shouldn't have been expected to follow from a simple binary vote, especially upon incredibly complex matters that most people shouldn't have been expected to master sufficient understanding of, in order to force changes onto millions of others. It was wrong. As was not having a very high minimum threshold level set, such as a minimum 80-90% of the eligible population voting for the change. As the end result of negotiations etc are so very different from the initially promised outcome, which will mean even greater divergence from what people had voted for, which will impose severe changes to millions of lives, then it's right and proper for the government to seek to understand the public perception and only to leave the EU if an 80-90% of all adults who will be affected vote to accept such conditions and if parliament deems it appropriate. Do not get me wrong, I am most definitely a remainer, however I think that an 80-90% threshold for a public referendum is completely ridiculous and un-democratic! One side (regardless of which side it happens to be) should not be weighted so heavily in favour. the original referendum was as fair as any general election, the problem is, politicians are self serving on both sides of the debate and so have ground us to a standstill, therefore we should go back to the people to re-instruct them in the wishes of the people. if the country still wants brexit it will vote for it again, if it doesnt, it wont, but politicians will have no lies to hide behind this time as the only options are Mays deal which everybody now knows inside out, no deal, which everybody now understands, or revoke article 50 and remain which is also now fully understood. " The problem with your solution is that you split the leave vote and only have one option to remain,now who do you think is going to win? nice try but unlike someone posted on another thread we are not stupid. | |||
"There are many reasons why a referendum on the final choices, should be put back to the electorate, apart from the initital one having been sustained from dishonesty, foreign governments influencing the decision, campaigning rules being broken by leave etc. As the UK has been within the EU for so many decades, which has resulted in citizens making massive changes and investments during their lives, such as - forming lives abroad, investing time in qualifications to support them working in countries other than the UK, which may be worthless after a no deal exit, businesses investing £billions - both UK, as well as overseas ones investing in the UK peoples' livelihoods based upon EU membership And the likely shorter-term financial losses that many people will face, alongside a degraded quality of life and maybe their health. For some people this could be for the rest of their lives, if they've only a few years to live. Such substantial changes to people shouldn't have been expected to follow from a simple binary vote, especially upon incredibly complex matters that most people shouldn't have been expected to master sufficient understanding of, in order to force changes onto millions of others. It was wrong. As was not having a very high minimum threshold level set, such as a minimum 80-90% of the eligible population voting for the change. As the end result of negotiations etc are so very different from the initially promised outcome, which will mean even greater divergence from what people had voted for, which will impose severe changes to millions of lives, then it's right and proper for the government to seek to understand the public perception and only to leave the EU if an 80-90% of all adults who will be affected vote to accept such conditions and if parliament deems it appropriate. Do not get me wrong, I am most definitely a remainer, however I think that an 80-90% threshold for a public referendum is completely ridiculous and un-democratic! One side (regardless of which side it happens to be) should not be weighted so heavily in favour. the original referendum was as fair as any general election, the problem is, politicians are self serving on both sides of the debate and so have ground us to a standstill, therefore we should go back to the people to re-instruct them in the wishes of the people. if the country still wants brexit it will vote for it again, if it doesnt, it wont, but politicians will have no lies to hide behind this time as the only options are Mays deal which everybody now knows inside out, no deal, which everybody now understands, or revoke article 50 and remain which is also now fully understood. The problem with your solution is that you split the leave vote and only have one option to remain,now who do you think is going to win? nice try but unlike someone posted on another thread we are not stupid. "I suppose so, but I think many remain voters (myself included) would in fact now vote for a deal instead as it is only the very vocal minority who are completely against the idea of leaving at all. | |||
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"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .
So what is the basic knowledge we should know.?
Bullet points are ok, nice and simple please "You took offence when I explained something to you
What do you know about the WTO? Costa didn't want to say | |||
" I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU . So what is the basic knowledge we should know.? Bullet points are ok, nice and simple please " : Tarrifs will mean higher costs vs FTA's : GATT 24 is not a unilateral decision : Brexit dividend does not exist : There's no unnamed foreign countries ruling us : Reduction of our rebate DOES need OUR approval : Just a few off top of my head that Leavers continually get wrong | |||
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"The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity. Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy." | |||
"Many Brexiters / Non Brexiters actually do understand the way WTO works and I think you will find that there are many areas that UK will benefit from WTO in the same way as we currently do (under the EU) and also other areas that we will be able to position ourselves for a global market to our own benefit rather than tied to related EU trade agreements - and likewise the UK will be losers in other areas that we have the "mass EU market" whose trade powers we cannot match - please keep insults out this as there are many intelligent people on here with great learned opinions ! The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity. Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy." Perhaps you could enlighten us with a few benefits of trading on WTO rules? And whilst you are at it, explain why other countries would rather not trade on WTO rules and so spend years - decades sometimes negotiating better options. | |||
"Many Brexiters / Non Brexiters actually do understand the way WTO works and I think you will find that there are many areas that UK will benefit from WTO in the same way as we currently do (under the EU) and also other areas that we will be able to position ourselves for a global market to our own benefit rather than tied to related EU trade agreements - and likewise the UK will be losers in other areas that we have the "mass EU market" whose trade powers we cannot match - please keep insults out this as there are many intelligent people on here with great learned opinions ! The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity. Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy." It's clear our politicians don't understand how WTO rules work or they wouldn't be trotting out the GATT XXIV bollocks day in and day out. | |||
"There are many reasons why a referendum on the final choices, should be put back to the electorate, apart from the initital one having been sustained from dishonesty, foreign governments influencing the decision, campaigning rules being broken by leave etc. As the UK has been within the EU for so many decades, which has resulted in citizens making massive changes and investments during their lives, such as - forming lives abroad, investing time in qualifications to support them working in countries other than the UK, which may be worthless after a no deal exit, businesses investing £billions - both UK, as well as overseas ones investing in the UK peoples' livelihoods based upon EU membership And the likely shorter-term financial losses that many people will face, alongside a degraded quality of life and maybe their health. For some people this could be for the rest of their lives, if they've only a few years to live. Such substantial changes to people shouldn't have been expected to follow from a simple binary vote, especially upon incredibly complex matters that most people shouldn't have been expected to master sufficient understanding of, in order to force changes onto millions of others. It was wrong. As was not having a very high minimum threshold level set, such as a minimum 80-90% of the eligible population voting for the change. As the end result of negotiations etc are so very different from the initially promised outcome, which will mean even greater divergence from what people had voted for, which will impose severe changes to millions of lives, then it's right and proper for the government to seek to understand the public perception and only to leave the EU if an 80-90% of all adults who will be affected vote to accept such conditions and if parliament deems it appropriate." 80% to 90% of the eligible voters for such a massive and complex change? How many voted to join in the first place? And if the bar was set at 80% to 90% of those eligible to vote, do you think we woukd have joined anyway? Or do you think it should only be 80% to 90% of those eligible to vote in the case of leaving? When was the last time for any referendum or election that there was a turnout high enough to even allow for an 80% to 90% majority of all affected adults? Are you advocating only those over 18 get a vote? | |||
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"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate. "To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth. "Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot! | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!"Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy."It looks to me like the remoaners are getting desperate now, poor lovies. All the negativity around BREXIT when Maybot was I’m control, must have given them hope that BREXIT might not happen. Now we have a situation where the hot favourite to become the next pm is a staunch leaver. I would wager that nobody on this forum will be able to vote in the conservative leadership election. Personally I’m happy enough, I like Boris but would never join the Tories. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
It looks to me like the remoaners are getting desperate now, poor lovies.
All the negativity around BREXIT when Maybot was I’m control, must have given them hope that BREXIT might not happen.
Now we have a situation where the hot favourite to become the next pm is a staunch leaver.
I would wager that nobody on this forum will be able to vote in the conservative leadership election. Personally I’m happy enough, I like Boris but would never join the Tories. "For someone so desperate to take back control that you would be willing to see our country destroyed, you seem very happy to have none. What do you like most about Boris? His lying? His incompetence? His evasiveness? His lack of knowledge of the basic facts? You must have a favourite | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess." I sometimes agree with some of the things you post and sometimes I don't but on this I am 100% sure you are right as this would be the common sense way to solve BREXIT, however common sense does not seem to prevail any more so it's hardly worth bothering to post this reply. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
It looks to me like the remoaners are getting desperate now, poor lovies.
All the negativity around BREXIT when Maybot was I’m control, must have given them hope that BREXIT might not happen.
Now we have a situation where the hot favourite to become the next pm is a staunch leaver.
I would wager that nobody on this forum will be able to vote in the conservative leadership election. Personally I’m happy enough, I like Boris but would never join the Tories. "Well I'm a remainer but I really want you lot to have your no deal wet dream that Boris has promised if that's the only way to leave on time | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
It looks to me like the remoaners are getting desperate now, poor lovies.
All the negativity around BREXIT when Maybot was I’m control, must have given them hope that BREXIT might not happen.
Now we have a situation where the hot favourite to become the next pm is a staunch leaver.
I would wager that nobody on this forum will be able to vote in the conservative leadership election. Personally I’m happy enough, I like Boris but would never join the Tories.
Well I'm a remainer but I really want you lot to have your no deal wet dream that Boris has promised if that's the only way to leave on time "Similar to this, they have made their bed so they can lay in it.. We should make sure they get the damp patch.. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
It looks to me like the remoaners are getting desperate now, poor lovies.
All the negativity around BREXIT when Maybot was I’m control, must have given them hope that BREXIT might not happen.
Now we have a situation where the hot favourite to become the next pm is a staunch leaver.
I would wager that nobody on this forum will be able to vote in the conservative leadership election. Personally I’m happy enough, I like Boris but would never join the Tories. "You must be an unhappy man. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
It looks to me like the remoaners are getting desperate now, poor lovies.
All the negativity around BREXIT when Maybot was I’m control, must have given them hope that BREXIT might not happen.
Now we have a situation where the hot favourite to become the next pm is a staunch leaver.
I would wager that nobody on this forum will be able to vote in the conservative leadership election. Personally I’m happy enough, I like Boris but would never join the Tories.
You must be an unhappy man. "You’re kidding right? BREXIT is definitely going to happen now, and the remoaners are getting evermore desperate. I’m as happy as a pig in shit! | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
It looks to me like the remoaners are getting desperate now, poor lovies.
All the negativity around BREXIT when Maybot was I’m control, must have given them hope that BREXIT might not happen.
Now we have a situation where the hot favourite to become the next pm is a staunch leaver.
I would wager that nobody on this forum will be able to vote in the conservative leadership election. Personally I’m happy enough, I like Boris but would never join the Tories.
You must be an unhappy man.
You’re kidding right?
BREXIT is definitely going to happen now, and the remoaners are getting evermore desperate.
I’m as happy as a pig in shit! "Leavers have been saying that for 3 years now and it still hasn't happened yet. I can tell you now with 90% certainty that BREXIT is not going to happen either on or before October 31st 2019 and 'no deal' BREXIT is never going to happen. If any BREXIT does happen sometime after that it will be with a deal which will not be very dissimilar to May's deal and probably happen some time next Spring. If there is a general election or referendum before next Spring, which is increasingly likely, then BREXIT will never happen. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
It looks to me like the remoaners are getting desperate now, poor lovies.
All the negativity around BREXIT when Maybot was I’m control, must have given them hope that BREXIT might not happen.
Now we have a situation where the hot favourite to become the next pm is a staunch leaver.
I would wager that nobody on this forum will be able to vote in the conservative leadership election. Personally I’m happy enough, I like Boris but would never join the Tories.
You must be an unhappy man.
You’re kidding right?
BREXIT is definitely going to happen now, and the remoaners are getting evermore desperate.
I’m as happy as a pig in shit!
Leavers have been saying that for 3 years now and it still hasn't happened yet. I can tell you now with 90% certainty that BREXIT is not going to happen either on or before October 31st 2019 and 'no deal' BREXIT is never going to happen. If any BREXIT does happen sometime after that it will be with a deal which will not be very dissimilar to May's deal and probably happen some time next Spring. If there is a general election or referendum before next Spring, which is increasingly likely, then BREXIT will never happen.
"I will be back to remind you of this post the very day we leave. I think Boris will suspend parliament in order to get a no deal BREXIT through. The further we distant ourselves from that stinking EU the better. Oh happy days! | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
It looks to me like the remoaners are getting desperate now, poor lovies.
All the negativity around BREXIT when Maybot was I’m control, must have given them hope that BREXIT might not happen.
Now we have a situation where the hot favourite to become the next pm is a staunch leaver.
I would wager that nobody on this forum will be able to vote in the conservative leadership election. Personally I’m happy enough, I like Boris but would never join the Tories.
You must be an unhappy man.
You’re kidding right?
BREXIT is definitely going to happen now, and the remoaners are getting evermore desperate.
I’m as happy as a pig in shit!
Leavers have been saying that for 3 years now and it still hasn't happened yet. I can tell you now with 90% certainty that BREXIT is not going to happen either on or before October 31st 2019 and 'no deal' BREXIT is never going to happen. If any BREXIT does happen sometime after that it will be with a deal which will not be very dissimilar to May's deal and probably happen some time next Spring. If there is a general election or referendum before next Spring, which is increasingly likely, then BREXIT will never happen.
I will be back to remind you of this post the very day we leave. I think Boris will suspend parliament in order to get a no deal BREXIT through. The further we distant ourselves from that stinking EU the better.
Oh happy days! "There's a 10% chance you might be. Johnson is not going to prorogue Parliament. The last person to try that was Charles I and it didn't end well for him. When someone [Johnson] is telling you exactly what you want hear you really should be a bit more sceptical of what they're saying and what their real motivation actually is. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
It looks to me like the remoaners are getting desperate now, poor lovies.
All the negativity around BREXIT when Maybot was I’m control, must have given them hope that BREXIT might not happen.
Now we have a situation where the hot favourite to become the next pm is a staunch leaver.
I would wager that nobody on this forum will be able to vote in the conservative leadership election. Personally I’m happy enough, I like Boris but would never join the Tories.
You must be an unhappy man.
You’re kidding right?
BREXIT is definitely going to happen now, and the remoaners are getting evermore desperate.
I’m as happy as a pig in shit!
Leavers have been saying that for 3 years now and it still hasn't happened yet. I can tell you now with 90% certainty that BREXIT is not going to happen either on or before October 31st 2019 and 'no deal' BREXIT is never going to happen. If any BREXIT does happen sometime after that it will be with a deal which will not be very dissimilar to May's deal and probably happen some time next Spring. If there is a general election or referendum before next Spring, which is increasingly likely, then BREXIT will never happen.
I will be back to remind you of this post the very day we leave. I think Boris will suspend parliament in order to get a no deal BREXIT through. The further we distant ourselves from that stinking EU the better.
Oh happy days!
There's a 10% chance you might be.
Johnson is not going to prorogue Parliament. The last person to try that was Charles I and it didn't end well for him. When someone [Johnson] is telling you exactly what you want hear you really should be a bit more sceptical of what they're saying and what their real motivation actually is."I made my mind up what I want a long time ago, and leaving the EU was right near the top of my list. Sure I have changed my mind on some things, but on this one I am resolute. I like Boris, he has a personality and that is a rare thing in politics. His promise to take us out in November with or without a deal suits me to the ground. I think his motivation is ambition. Blonde Ambition, lol... | |||
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"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
It looks to me like the remoaners are getting desperate now, poor lovies.
All the negativity around BREXIT when Maybot was I’m control, must have given them hope that BREXIT might not happen.
Now we have a situation where the hot favourite to become the next pm is a staunch leaver.
I would wager that nobody on this forum will be able to vote in the conservative leadership election. Personally I’m happy enough, I like Boris but would never join the Tories.
You must be an unhappy man.
You’re kidding right?
BREXIT is definitely going to happen now, and the remoaners are getting evermore desperate.
I’m as happy as a pig in shit! "So you are pig? It does not surprise me | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump."Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump.
Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol. "Of course they are your idols. if they were not, you would vote differently. Yes, it's like somebody's going into idiocy and then he's defending it. It reminds me of Nazism. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump.
Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol.
Of course they are your idols. if they were not, you would vote differently. Yes, it's like somebody's going into idiocy and then he's defending it. It reminds me of Nazism."Amazing you know what people think now or at least you think you do, are you an expert on nazism too!? Seems you are an intellectual, whereas I have commonsense, the commonsense not to be posting bigoted views on a forum for all to see, keep up the good work! | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump.
Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol.
Of course they are your idols. if they were not, you would vote differently. Yes, it's like somebody's going into idiocy and then he's defending it. It reminds me of Nazism.
Amazing you know what people think now or at least you think you do, are you an expert on nazism too!?
Seems you are an intellectual, whereas I have commonsense, the commonsense not to be posting bigoted views on a forum for all to see, keep up the good work! "Thing is that liberal left footers actually think accusing anyone to the right of Michael Foot, as being Nazis makes them look good. The reality is it is same old same old. A bit like the US propaganda describing Saddam Husain as being the next Adolf Hitler. Only that led to thousand of deaths, and eventually to the creation of terror group ISIS. The trick is to simply ignore, don’t take them serious. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump.
Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol.
Of course they are your idols. if they were not, you would vote differently. Yes, it's like somebody's going into idiocy and then he's defending it. It reminds me of Nazism.
Amazing you know what people think now or at least you think you do, are you an expert on nazism too!?
Seems you are an intellectual, whereas I have commonsense, the commonsense not to be posting bigoted views on a forum for all to see, keep up the good work!
Thing is that liberal left footers actually think accusing anyone to the right of Michael Foot, as being Nazis makes them look good.
The reality is it is same old same old. A bit like the US propaganda describing Saddam Husain as being the next Adolf Hitler. Only that led to thousand of deaths, and eventually to the creation of terror group ISIS.
The trick is to simply ignore, don’t take them serious."I don't! But thanks for the advice. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump.
Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol.
Of course they are your idols. if they were not, you would vote differently. Yes, it's like somebody's going into idiocy and then he's defending it. It reminds me of Nazism.
Amazing you know what people think now or at least you think you do, are you an expert on nazism too!?
Seems you are an intellectual, whereas I have commonsense, the commonsense not to be posting bigoted views on a forum for all to see, keep up the good work! "I can not be more intellectual than you? It is jealousy that speaks through you. But you probably are since you know everything and trust people like farage,bojo and banks. You are blinded by the mania of the majority, the empire has long ceased to exist and until people like you do not understand it, it will be a mess | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump.
Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol.
Of course they are your idols. if they were not, you would vote differently. Yes, it's like somebody's going into idiocy and then he's defending it. It reminds me of Nazism.
Amazing you know what people think now or at least you think you do, are you an expert on nazism too!?
Seems you are an intellectual, whereas I have commonsense, the commonsense not to be posting bigoted views on a forum for all to see, keep up the good work!
Thing is that liberal left footers actually think accusing anyone to the right of Michael Foot, as being Nazis makes them look good.
The reality is it is same old same old. A bit like the US propaganda describing Saddam Husain as being the next Adolf Hitler. Only that led to thousand of deaths, and eventually to the creation of terror group ISIS.
The trick is to simply ignore, don’t take them serious.
I don't! But thanks for the advice. "Your very welcome | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump.
Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol.
Of course they are your idols. if they were not, you would vote differently. Yes, it's like somebody's going into idiocy and then he's defending it. It reminds me of Nazism.
Amazing you know what people think now or at least you think you do, are you an expert on nazism too!?
Seems you are an intellectual, whereas I have commonsense, the commonsense not to be posting bigoted views on a forum for all to see, keep up the good work!
I can not be more intellectual than you? It is jealousy that speaks through you. But you probably are since you know everything and trust people like farage,bojo and banks. You are blinded by the mania of the majority, the empire has long ceased to exist and until people like you do not understand it, it will be a mess"Jealous of a small minded intellectual bigot who can't see that people have different opinions, dream on! The empire was over long ago it's only remainers who bring it up, the same with the war!You are a mess, step away from the keyboard and take some deep breaths! | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump.
Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol.
Of course they are your idols. if they were not, you would vote differently. Yes, it's like somebody's going into idiocy and then he's defending it. It reminds me of Nazism.
Amazing you know what people think now or at least you think you do, are you an expert on nazism too!?
Seems you are an intellectual, whereas I have commonsense, the commonsense not to be posting bigoted views on a forum for all to see, keep up the good work!
I can not be more intellectual than you? It is jealousy that speaks through you. But you probably are since you know everything and trust people like farage,bojo and banks. You are blinded by the mania of the majority, the empire has long ceased to exist and until people like you do not understand it, it will be a mess
Jealous of a small minded intellectual bigot who can't see that people have different opinions, dream on! The empire was over long ago it's only remainers who bring it up, the same with the war!You are a mess, step away from the keyboard and take some deep breaths! "It only shows your intelligence. And it there is no point in discussing with you | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump.
Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol.
Of course they are your idols. if they were not, you would vote differently. Yes, it's like somebody's going into idiocy and then he's defending it. It reminds me of Nazism.
Amazing you know what people think now or at least you think you do, are you an expert on nazism too!?
Seems you are an intellectual, whereas I have commonsense, the commonsense not to be posting bigoted views on a forum for all to see, keep up the good work!
I can not be more intellectual than you? It is jealousy that speaks through you. But you probably are since you know everything and trust people like farage,bojo and banks. You are blinded by the mania of the majority, the empire has long ceased to exist and until people like you do not understand it, it will be a mess
Jealous of a small minded intellectual bigot who can't see that people have different opinions, dream on! The empire was over long ago it's only remainers who bring it up, the same with the war!You are a mess, step away from the keyboard and take some deep breaths!
It only shows your intelligence. And it there is no point in discussing with you"Indeed and your bigotry! So yes there is no point dicussing wth someone who can't comprehend that everyone doesn't think the same and they are less of a person because of that! | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
It looks to me like the remoaners are getting desperate now, poor lovies.
All the negativity around BREXIT when Maybot was I’m control, must have given them hope that BREXIT might not happen.
Now we have a situation where the hot favourite to become the next pm is a staunch leaver.
I would wager that nobody on this forum will be able to vote in the conservative leadership election. Personally I’m happy enough, I like Boris but would never join the Tories.
You must be an unhappy man.
You’re kidding right?
BREXIT is definitely going to happen now, and the remoaners are getting evermore desperate.
I’m as happy as a pig in shit!
Leavers have been saying that for 3 years now and it still hasn't happened yet. I can tell you now with 90% certainty that BREXIT is not going to happen either on or before October 31st 2019 and 'no deal' BREXIT is never going to happen. If any BREXIT does happen sometime after that it will be with a deal which will not be very dissimilar to May's deal and probably happen some time next Spring. If there is a general election or referendum before next Spring, which is increasingly likely, then BREXIT will never happen.
I will be back to remind you of this post the very day we leave. I think Boris will suspend parliament in order to get a no deal BREXIT through. The further we distant ourselves from that stinking EU the better.
Oh happy days! "I love the idea that in order to gain sovereignty we have to suspend the sovereignty of Parliament. If one thing illustrates the fuckwittery of BoJO and his moronic supporters it is exactly this. Taking back control by suspending Parliament will not end well | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
It looks to me like the remoaners are getting desperate now, poor lovies.
All the negativity around BREXIT when Maybot was I’m control, must have given them hope that BREXIT might not happen.
Now we have a situation where the hot favourite to become the next pm is a staunch leaver.
I would wager that nobody on this forum will be able to vote in the conservative leadership election. Personally I’m happy enough, I like Boris but would never join the Tories.
You must be an unhappy man.
You’re kidding right?
BREXIT is definitely going to happen now, and the remoaners are getting evermore desperate.
I’m as happy as a pig in shit!
Leavers have been saying that for 3 years now and it still hasn't happened yet. I can tell you now with 90% certainty that BREXIT is not going to happen either on or before October 31st 2019 and 'no deal' BREXIT is never going to happen. If any BREXIT does happen sometime after that it will be with a deal which will not be very dissimilar to May's deal and probably happen some time next Spring. If there is a general election or referendum before next Spring, which is increasingly likely, then BREXIT will never happen.
I will be back to remind you of this post the very day we leave. I think Boris will suspend parliament in order to get a no deal BREXIT through. The further we distant ourselves from that stinking EU the better.
Oh happy days!
I love the idea that in order to gain sovereignty we have to suspend the sovereignty of Parliament. If one thing illustrates the fuckwittery of BoJO and his moronic supporters it is exactly this. Taking back control by suspending Parliament will not end well"Yes, we need to give back democracy to the people and reclaim sovereignty from the European dictatorship, by closing parliament and silencing those evil representatives who were voted for by the people. So that one man who has been chosen by a tiny part of the population, after massive campaigns funded by foreign billionaires and hostile countries, can take persinal control and irreversibly change the economic, social, legal, cultural and constitutional future of the country. | |||
Stark reality check,
Referendum Happened
Leave was the decision
Thats democracy nowadays folks. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump.
Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol.
Of course they are your idols. if they were not, you would vote differently. Yes, it's like somebody's going into idiocy and then he's defending it. It reminds me of Nazism.
Amazing you know what people think now or at least you think you do, are you an expert on nazism too!?
Seems you are an intellectual, whereas I have commonsense, the commonsense not to be posting bigoted views on a forum for all to see, keep up the good work!
I can not be more intellectual than you? It is jealousy that speaks through you. But you probably are since you know everything and trust people like farage,bojo and banks. You are blinded by the mania of the majority, the empire has long ceased to exist and until people like you do not understand it, it will be a mess
Jealous of a small minded intellectual bigot who can't see that people have different opinions, dream on! The empire was over long ago it's only remainers who bring it up, the same with the war!You are a mess, step away from the keyboard and take some deep breaths!
It only shows your intelligence. And it there is no point in discussing with you
Indeed and your bigotry! So yes there is no point dicussing wth someone who can't comprehend that everyone doesn't think the same and they are less of a person because of that! "As I wrote earlier. There is no cure for stupidity. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump.
Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol.
Of course they are your idols. if they were not, you would vote differently. Yes, it's like somebody's going into idiocy and then he's defending it. It reminds me of Nazism.
Amazing you know what people think now or at least you think you do, are you an expert on nazism too!?
Seems you are an intellectual, whereas I have commonsense, the commonsense not to be posting bigoted views on a forum for all to see, keep up the good work!
I can not be more intellectual than you? It is jealousy that speaks through you. But you probably are since you know everything and trust people like farage,bojo and banks. You are blinded by the mania of the majority, the empire has long ceased to exist and until people like you do not understand it, it will be a mess
Jealous of a small minded intellectual bigot who can't see that people have different opinions, dream on! The empire was over long ago it's only remainers who bring it up, the same with the war!You are a mess, step away from the keyboard and take some deep breaths!
It only shows your intelligence. And it there is no point in discussing with you
Indeed and your bigotry! So yes there is no point dicussing wth someone who can't comprehend that everyone doesn't think the same and they are less of a person because of that!
As I wrote earlier. There is no cure for stupidity. "Don’t give up, you might get lucky. I doubt it, but who knows? | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump.
Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol.
Of course they are your idols. if they were not, you would vote differently. Yes, it's like somebody's going into idiocy and then he's defending it. It reminds me of Nazism.
Amazing you know what people think now or at least you think you do, are you an expert on nazism too!?
Seems you are an intellectual, whereas I have commonsense, the commonsense not to be posting bigoted views on a forum for all to see, keep up the good work!
I can not be more intellectual than you? It is jealousy that speaks through you. But you probably are since you know everything and trust people like farage,bojo and banks. You are blinded by the mania of the majority, the empire has long ceased to exist and until people like you do not understand it, it will be a mess
Jealous of a small minded intellectual bigot who can't see that people have different opinions, dream on! The empire was over long ago it's only remainers who bring it up, the same with the war!You are a mess, step away from the keyboard and take some deep breaths!
It only shows your intelligence. And it there is no point in discussing with you
Indeed and your bigotry! So yes there is no point dicussing wth someone who can't comprehend that everyone doesn't think the same and they are less of a person because of that!
As I wrote earlier. There is no cure for stupidity.
Don’t give up, you might get lucky. I doubt it, but who knows?"Lol! | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump.
Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol.
Of course they are your idols. if they were not, you would vote differently. Yes, it's like somebody's going into idiocy and then he's defending it. It reminds me of Nazism.
Amazing you know what people think now or at least you think you do, are you an expert on nazism too!?
Seems you are an intellectual, whereas I have commonsense, the commonsense not to be posting bigoted views on a forum for all to see, keep up the good work!
I can not be more intellectual than you? It is jealousy that speaks through you. But you probably are since you know everything and trust people like farage,bojo and banks. You are blinded by the mania of the majority, the empire has long ceased to exist and until people like you do not understand it, it will be a mess
Jealous of a small minded intellectual bigot who can't see that people have different opinions, dream on! The empire was over long ago it's only remainers who bring it up, the same with the war!You are a mess, step away from the keyboard and take some deep breaths!
It only shows your intelligence. And it there is no point in discussing with you
Indeed and your bigotry! So yes there is no point dicussing wth someone who can't comprehend that everyone doesn't think the same and they are less of a person because of that!
As I wrote earlier. There is no cure for stupidity. "I bet you used to cry and stamp your feet as a boy when you couldn't get your own way, why don't you go back to sucking your thumb like the other babies or daddy will have to smack your bum!Lol | |||
"Well said Polly A lot of people on here are sounding like Sturgeon and the SNP, let's vote and vote then vote again until it comes out the way I want it
Stark reality check,
Referendum Happened
Leave was the decision
Thats democracy nowadays folks. "No. Democracy allows you to change your mind. Part of the leave promise was that it would be quick and easy and nothing much would change except "taking back control". That is not and never was true. If there is another referendum and it went the other way then why is that actually wrong? Forget the let's have infinite referenda dead end. If it's a big vote one way or another then that's clear. 60% is normal for permanent change that imposes on others. If it marginal either way it means that there is still no strong will. It's a marginal decision based on what people had for breakfast as much as anything else. A compromise is necessary. That was always the case with this vote rather than pretending it was a clear mandate. | |||
"Well said Polly A lot of people on here are sounding like Sturgeon and the SNP, let's vote and vote then vote again until it comes out the way I want it
Stark reality check,
Referendum Happened
Leave was the decision
Thats democracy nowadays folks.
No. Democracy allows you to change your mind.
Part of the leave promise was that it would be quick and easy and nothing much would change except "taking back control".
That is not and never was true.
If there is another referendum and it went the other way then why is that actually wrong?
Forget the let's have infinite referenda dead end.
If it's a big vote one way or another then that's clear. 60% is normal for permanent change that imposes on others.
If it marginal either way it means that there is still no strong will. It's a marginal decision based on what people had for breakfast as much as anything else. A compromise is necessary.
That was always the case with this vote rather than pretending it was a clear mandate."I think it is fairly clear though that the country remains split and the chances of a decisive result either way are slim. In effect leaving us in the same position. The result was not decisive in 2016 and so what should have happened then in order to avoid this disastrous uncertainty was to have left the E.U. but remained in the SM and CU and give a commitment to revisit in a decade or so. It would not have been a perfect solution but it would have delivered on the referendum and retained close ties to protect business and the economy. If Boris has any sense, this is what he will do quickly and decisively so that we can all move on and see how things pan out over the next ten years. | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump.
Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol.
Of course they are your idols. if they were not, you would vote differently. Yes, it's like somebody's going into idiocy and then he's defending it. It reminds me of Nazism.
Amazing you know what people think now or at least you think you do, are you an expert on nazism too!?
Seems you are an intellectual, whereas I have commonsense, the commonsense not to be posting bigoted views on a forum for all to see, keep up the good work!
I can not be more intellectual than you? It is jealousy that speaks through you. But you probably are since you know everything and trust people like farage,bojo and banks. You are blinded by the mania of the majority, the empire has long ceased to exist and until people like you do not understand it, it will be a mess
Jealous of a small minded intellectual bigot who can't see that people have different opinions, dream on! The empire was over long ago it's only remainers who bring it up, the same with the war!You are a mess, step away from the keyboard and take some deep breaths!
It only shows your intelligence. And it there is no point in discussing with you
Indeed and your bigotry! So yes there is no point dicussing wth someone who can't comprehend that everyone doesn't think the same and they are less of a person because of that!
As I wrote earlier. There is no cure for stupidity.
Don’t give up, you might get lucky. I doubt it, but who knows?
Lol! "There is no hope for people like you | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump.
Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol.
Of course they are your idols. if they were not, you would vote differently. Yes, it's like somebody's going into idiocy and then he's defending it. It reminds me of Nazism.
Amazing you know what people think now or at least you think you do, are you an expert on nazism too!?
Seems you are an intellectual, whereas I have commonsense, the commonsense not to be posting bigoted views on a forum for all to see, keep up the good work!
I can not be more intellectual than you? It is jealousy that speaks through you. But you probably are since you know everything and trust people like farage,bojo and banks. You are blinded by the mania of the majority, the empire has long ceased to exist and until people like you do not understand it, it will be a mess
Jealous of a small minded intellectual bigot who can't see that people have different opinions, dream on! The empire was over long ago it's only remainers who bring it up, the same with the war!You are a mess, step away from the keyboard and take some deep breaths!
It only shows your intelligence. And it there is no point in discussing with you
Indeed and your bigotry! So yes there is no point dicussing wth someone who can't comprehend that everyone doesn't think the same and they are less of a person because of that!
As I wrote earlier. There is no cure for stupidity.
Don’t give up, you might get lucky. I doubt it, but who knows?
Lol!
There is no hope for people like you"Is that all you have got? Seems you are pretty pointless. Come back with something debatable and I will debate with you can’t, then don’t waste my time. | |||
"There are many reasons why a referendum on the final choices, should be put back to the electorate, apart from the initital one having been sustained from dishonesty, foreign governments influencing the decision, campaigning rules being broken by leave etc. As the UK has been within the EU for so many decades, which has resulted in citizens making massive changes and investments during their lives, such as - forming lives abroad, investing time in qualifications to support them working in countries other than the UK, which may be worthless after a no deal exit, businesses investing £billions - both UK, as well as overseas ones investing in the UK peoples' livelihoods based upon EU membership And the likely shorter-term financial losses that many people will face, alongside a degraded quality of life and maybe their health. For some people this could be for the rest of their lives, if they've only a few years to live. Such substantial changes to people shouldn't have been expected to follow from a simple binary vote, especially upon incredibly complex matters that most people shouldn't have been expected to master sufficient understanding of, in order to force changes onto millions of others. It was wrong. As was not having a very high minimum threshold level set, such as a minimum 80-90% of the eligible population voting for the change. As the end result of negotiations etc are so very different from the initially promised outcome, which will mean even greater divergence from what people had voted for, which will impose severe changes to millions of lives, then it's right and proper for the government to seek to understand the public perception and only to leave the EU if an 80-90% of all adults who will be affected vote to accept such conditions and if parliament deems it appropriate. Do not get me wrong, I am most definitely a remainer, however I think that an 80-90% threshold for a public referendum is completely ridiculous and un-democratic! One side (regardless of which side it happens to be) should not be weighted so heavily in favour. the original referendum was as fair as any general election, the problem is, politicians are self serving on both sides of the debate and so have ground us to a standstill, therefore we should go back to the people to re-instruct them in the wishes of the people. if the country still wants brexit it will vote for it again, if it doesnt, it wont, but politicians will have no lies to hide behind this time as the only options are Mays deal which everybody now knows inside out, no deal, which everybody now understands, or revoke article 50 and remain which is also now fully understood. The problem with your solution is that you split the leave vote and only have one option to remain,now who do you think is going to win? nice try but unlike someone posted on another thread we are not stupid.
I suppose so, but I think many remain voters (myself included) would in fact now vote for a deal instead as it is only the very vocal minority who are completely against the idea of leaving at all."I think most people want to remain. Alternatively, if forced to. Leave without a deal or with a deal, most would prefer a deal,, as it would provide a transitional period, allowing for a healthier period of gradual adjustments | |||
"A referendum really is the only way out of the mess. The Leave campaign won with a pledge to have better terms than we have today. Parliament refuses to pass the deal because the terms are worse than what we have. There are three choices: * Revoke Article 50 and remain * Accept the current offer from the EU and leave * Reject the offer and leave with nothing I cannot see any other way out of this mess. Not true if we leave with out accepting the EU demands we leave on WTO terms which are fair to EU/UK trade and allow it to continue. Under these terms we do not need to prepay the EU for trade. Currently our governments perpay using our tax for the right to trade the EU is not and never was a free trade area. Wow. Do you really not understand this? What is "unfair" now? What are you talking about "prepay" for trade? The EU are saying that they will not negotiate an improved agreement until we pay our liabilities. Is that what you mean? What we pay the EU is for a whole range of things not just "for trade". WTO terms are, by definition, the worst terms of trade that exist on the planet. Every country negotiates its own agreements to improve on these. Stepping back to these will mean that all trade with the EU and the country's that the EU has agreements with will have a tariff barrier. Their goods cost more to us so everything imported is more expensive and our exports to them become less attractive. As the EU still has its own internal market and international deals they can just substitute what we sell them with another country. We cannot do the same. You really voted and are forming an opinion now based on that information?
The problem is that most brexiters do not understand how WTO works, which is why they constantly write and say stupidity. Unfortunately for some illnesses there are no cures and that illness is called stupidity.Can you get anymore insulting mate? just because people have a different opinion to you does not make them stupid.Its called democracy.
I am far from saying that someone is stupid and I respect if someone has a different opinion. But to talk about something you need to have knowledge about it. At least basic knowledge. Most brexiters do not have it.If you are so superior in your knowledge enlighten us.How many brexiteers have you had discussions with to come to the conclusion that most dont have a basic knowledge ?
I talked to a lot of brexiters and I think that it was too much, also every day at work and I do not see any hope for improvement when it comes to knowledge about WTO and EU .Well you just keep on educating them mate.
To teach whom? washed brains? You are a cool guy, but most brexiters are idiots. That's the truth.
Isn't it just your view of the truth, whereas their view would be that you are a bigot!
Not just mine view. Just look at your idols. These are liars, crooks and clowns. What will this rat(farage) do after hard brexit? He will leave the UK and run away to Germany. His friends will do the same(Banks to russia and next idiot bj to a twin who is trump.
Wrong again, I haven't got any idols! All this drama can't be good for the blood pressure, lol.
Of course they are your idols. if they were not, you would vote differently. Yes, it's like somebody's going into idiocy and then he's defending it. It reminds me of Nazism.
Amazing you know what people think now or at least you think you do, are you an expert on nazism too!?
Seems you are an intellectual, whereas I have commonsense, the commonsense not to be posting bigoted views on a forum for all to see, keep up the good work!
I can not be more intellectual than you? It is jealousy that speaks through you. But you probably are since you know everything and trust people like farage,bojo and banks. You are blinded by the mania of the majority, the empire has long ceased to exist and until people like you do not understand it, it will be a mess
Jealous of a small minded intellectual bigot who can't see that people have different opinions, dream on! The empire was over long ago it's only remainers who bring it up, the same with the war!You are a mess, step away from the keyboard and take some deep breaths!
It only shows your intelligence. And it there is no point in discussing with you
Indeed and your bigotry! So yes there is no point dicussing wth someone who can't comprehend that everyone doesn't think the same and they are less of a person because of that!
As I wrote earlier. There is no cure for stupidity.
Don’t give up, you might get lucky. I doubt it, but who knows?
Lol!
There is no hope for people like you"I think there is more hope for those who understand people have different opinions than someone who says you must be stupid to disagree with him, but eh ho you are the intellect and I have commonsense! Lol | |||
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