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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Another way of looking at the current impasse is if Brexit happens in the next year and jump forward 10 years. Leaving out the economic arguments - politically what do you see happening?
Personally I think there will be a united Ireland( will remain part of the EU)an independent Scotland, an Independent Wales and and Independent England- all trying to apply for membership of the EU.
Sadly the Union Jack will have been regrettable retired and the monarchy will be wondering if they should have intervened sooner to save the Union.
For those who think the EU is finished - Brexit has taught even the most anti establishment parties throughout Europe ( particularly Le Pen’s) that is better to argue from within the club than being outside it.
What are yer thoughts? |
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"Another way of looking at the current impasse is if Brexit happens in the next year and jump forward 10 years. Leaving out the economic arguments - politically what do you see happening?
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I think whatever happens politically will be on the back of whatever happens economically. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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I think Ireland maybe United and regretting the decision as the EU will be crumbling and Britain will be booming.
This is based on the assumption that Corbyn and or Mcdonald do not get into power.If they do Europe and Britain will become like South America a third world continent.
Also assuming there is not a third world war. |
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"I think Ireland maybe United and regretting the decision as the EU will be crumbling and Britain will be booming.
This is based on the assumption that Corbyn and or Mcdonald do not get into power.If they do Europe and Britain will become like South America a third world continent.
Also assuming there is not a third world war."
Why would there be a third world war in the next ten years? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A lot of what is going on right now politically throughout Europe is similar to the 1930’s
So many far right parties gaining power just awaiting another Adolf to take the helm could be BoJo
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I think Ireland maybe United and regretting the decision as the EU will be crumbling and Britain will be booming.
This is based on the assumption that Corbyn and or Mcdonald do not get into power.If they do Europe and Britain will become like South America a third world continent.
Also assuming there is not a third world war.
Why would there be a third world war in the next ten years? "
I do not know but there are a lot of trouble spots in this world sadly |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think Ireland maybe United and regretting the decision as the EU will be crumbling and Britain will be booming.
This is based on the assumption that Corbyn and or Mcdonald do not get into power.If they do Europe and Britain will become like South America a third world continent.
Also assuming there is not a third world war.
Why would there be a third world war in the next ten years? I do not know but there are a lot of trouble spots in this world sadly"
Aha.it was a general comment. Rather than anything to do with us leaving / the eu. Understand now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Another way of looking at the current impasse is if Brexit happens in the next year and jump forward 10 years. Leaving out the economic arguments - politically what do you see happening?
Personally I think there will be a united Ireland( will remain part of the EU)an independent Scotland, an Independent Wales and and Independent England- all trying to apply for membership of the EU.
Sadly the Union Jack will have been regrettable retired and the monarchy will be wondering if they should have intervened sooner to save the Union.
For those who think the EU is finished - Brexit has taught even the most anti establishment parties throughout Europe ( particularly Le Pen’s) that is better to argue from within the club than being outside it.
What are yer thoughts?"
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I don't think the UK was designed to last forever, everything comes to an end sooner or later, the EU will be completely dominated by right wing parties within ten years and all the lefties on here will be begging us to leave after they've spent the last ten years flapping and flailing around about brexit.
There's a natural cycle to these things the left are only Pro EU because the EU has in recent memory been dominated by left wing politicans, it's the same reason the right wing politicans are not that happy with it. |
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I don't see these countries splitting as per op. The UK could have EU membership in
10 years time, though will have struggled against populist movements which will have wasted £billions. With some fortune, there will have been a rise against contract employment like zero hours, so employees have employment and not pseudo self-employment. The UK won't be that different to its position now though, with an increased divide between mega rich and the majority who scrape by. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Too much from remoaners is fear of change, and worries about short term hardship.
It might have to get worse before it starts to get better. It’s like when you first buy a business, you have to plan long term because initially you might have to take a bit. That is progress, you but what might be the bare bones then start building it up.
My prediction is that the UK will be a prosperous independent nation, especially ten years after leaving. Our bond with the US and our commonwealth will be stronger than ever, and although we might lose Northern Ireland, we will still be united with Scotland and Wales.
My only concern for ten years time is the environment. I’m hoping that the cuts to carbon emissions is matched with international action to clean up the oceans.
The Gods alone know what life will be like technologically, that is where the most progress will be made, and if it is anything like the last ten years, who knows how exiting it will be? The UK will not be left behind and I predict some fantastic changes ahead.
I also predict that the world will be talking about the EU in the past tense, as a failed experiment that took decades, but eventually unraveled.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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The issue is the Union. Brexit poses the greatest ever threat to the Union and by default the monarchy.
From a marketing point the UK biggest brand recognition is the Union Jack.
Culturally and economically the flag is extremely powerful and evocative.
Trying to rebrand products from a fractured union under different flags in post Brexit scenario is going to be really hard.
I honestly believe that people do not realise how potent, in a marketing sense, how powerful the Union Jack is to trading countries. |
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"Another way of looking at the current impasse is if Brexit happens in the next year and jump forward 10 years. Leaving out the economic arguments - politically what do you see happening?
Personally I think there will be a united Ireland( will remain part of the EU)an independent Scotland, an Independent Wales and and Independent England- all trying to apply for membership of the EU.
Sadly the Union Jack will have been regrettable retired and the monarchy will be wondering if they should have intervened sooner to save the Union.
For those who think the EU is finished - Brexit has taught even the most anti establishment parties throughout Europe ( particularly Le Pen’s) that is better to argue from within the club than being outside it.
What are yer thoughts?.
I don't think the UK was designed to last forever, everything comes to an end sooner or later, the EU will be completely dominated by right wing parties within ten years and all the lefties on here will be begging us to leave after they've spent the last ten years flapping and flailing around about brexit.
There's a natural cycle to these things the left are only Pro EU because the EU has in recent memory been dominated by left wing politicans, it's the same reason the right wing politicans are not that happy with it."
But the EU has been dominated by The European Peoples Party for decades. The European Peoples Party contains most of the Christian Democratic parties and other center right parties across Europe including the British Conservative Party until 2009. So where's this left wing domination?
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"Too much from remoaners is fear of change, and worries about short term hardship.
It might have to get worse before it starts to get better. It’s like when you first buy a business, you have to plan long term because initially you might have to take a bit. That is progress, you but what might be the bare bones then start building it up.
My prediction is that the UK will be a prosperous independent nation, especially ten years after leaving. Our bond with the US and our commonwealth will be stronger than ever, and although we might lose Northern Ireland, we will still be united with Scotland and Wales.
My only concern for ten years time is the environment. I’m hoping that the cuts to carbon emissions is matched with international action to clean up the oceans.
The Gods alone know what life will be like technologically, that is where the most progress will be made, and if it is anything like the last ten years, who knows how exiting it will be? The UK will not be left behind and I predict some fantastic changes ahead.
I also predict that the world will be talking about the EU in the past tense, as a failed experiment that took decades, but eventually unraveled.
Happy days "
You'll have to pray that you're not a victim of the collateral damage that the "short term" hardship will cause.
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"Another way of looking at the current impasse is if Brexit happens in the next year and jump forward 10 years. Leaving out the economic arguments - politically what do you see happening?
Personally I think there will be a united Ireland( will remain part of the EU)an independent Scotland, an Independent Wales and and Independent England- all trying to apply for membership of the EU.
Sadly the Union Jack will have been regrettable retired and the monarchy will be wondering if they should have intervened sooner to save the Union.
For those who think the EU is finished - Brexit has taught even the most anti establishment parties throughout Europe ( particularly Le Pen’s) that is better to argue from within the club than being outside it.
What are yer thoughts?.
I don't think the UK was designed to last forever, everything comes to an end sooner or later, the EU will be completely dominated by right wing parties within ten years and all the lefties on here will be begging us to leave after they've spent the last ten years flapping and flailing around about brexit.
There's a natural cycle to these things the left are only Pro EU because the EU has in recent memory been dominated by left wing politicans, it's the same reason the right wing politicans are not that happy with it.
But the EU has been dominated by The European Peoples Party for decades. The European Peoples Party contains most of the Christian Democratic parties and other center right parties across Europe including the British Conservative Party until 2009. So where's this left wing domination?
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There's no left wing domination as you rightly point out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I can see the EU crumble. . UK not being the only state to leave.
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This is their concern, and why they are making it look so very hard for us to leave. It is of course a deception, it would not be difficult for us to simply walk away. The only thing that has stopped us thus far is the meddlesome interference of remainders in our own Parliament.
If we do go it alone there will be nothing the EU can do about it. The other 27 will then all know how easy it can be. There are movements in many of those nations that are watching us closely, and if we can set the right example, they too will begin to make their own EU exits.
Jolly good luck to them, time to leave this stinking federalisation and let Germany and France gasp for air as their little project comes apart at the seams... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I can see the EU crumble. . UK not being the only state to leave.
This is their concern, and why they are making it look so very hard for us to leave. It is of course a deception, it would not be difficult for us to simply walk away. The only thing that has stopped us thus far is the meddlesome interference of remainders in our own Parliament.
If we do go it alone there will be nothing the EU can do about it. The other 27 will then all know how easy it can be. There are movements in many of those nations that are watching us closely, and if we can set the right example, they too will begin to make their own EU exits.
Jolly good luck to them, time to leave this stinking federalisation and let Germany and France gasp for air as their little project comes apart at the seams..."
How have they made it hard for us to leave?
They have heard us say we're happy with a no deal.
Yet have offered us a deal.
They didn't prevent us being out already. We did.
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"I can see the EU crumble. . UK not being the only state to leave.
This is their concern, and why they are making it look so very hard for us to leave. It is of course a deception, it would not be difficult for us to simply walk away. The only thing that has stopped us thus far is the meddlesome interference of remainders in our own Parliament.
If we do go it alone there will be nothing the EU can do about it. The other 27 will then all know how easy it can be. There are movements in many of those nations that are watching us closely, and if we can set the right example, they too will begin to make their own EU exits.
Jolly good luck to them, time to leave this stinking federalisation and let Germany and France gasp for air as their little project comes apart at the seams..."
You have no grasp of reality at all. |
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10 years after leaving the EU The Tory government of The United Kingdom of England and Wales having refused to allow Wales and Yorkshire independence will set forward its Budget to reduce the Deficit to zero over the next 5 years by further reductions in government spending. It announced that as of midnight all government soup kitchens will be closed on Monday's, Wednesday's and Fridays.
Further cuts to the armed forces were announced. Reducing total Army manning to 1 company of 150 short bow men (long bows being deemed too expensive). Scrapping the last outboard motor was delayed while the RN until replacement oars can be procured. It was announced that with sadness the RAF would cease to exist as of midnight, as there is no longer money to buy the batteries for the remote control.
On a brighter a halving of income tax from 20% to 10% was announced for all those earning over £1,000,000 pa. However to balance the book an adjustment has had to be made at the lower end of the scale. Therefore the Government have scrapped the personal allowance and reintroduced a window tax on all properties with less than 10 bedrooms.
Finally the Government Tied Land Bill received PM's Accent and all those not in 'full time' gainful employment have 7 days to become 'land registered' or face imprisonment for up to 20 years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I love these posts about Britain being a model for others to follow. This country pioneered political and monetary union - the very thing you say you detest.
Lolol"
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"10 years after leaving the EU The Tory government of The United Kingdom of England and Wales having refused to allow Wales and Yorkshire independence will set forward its Budget to reduce the Deficit to zero over the next 5 years by further reductions in government spending. It announced that as of midnight all government soup kitchens will be closed on Monday's, Wednesday's and Fridays.
Further cuts to the armed forces were announced. Reducing total Army manning to 1 company of 150 short bow men (long bows being deemed too expensive). Scrapping the last outboard motor was delayed while the RN until replacement oars can be procured. It was announced that with sadness the RAF would cease to exist as of midnight, as there is no longer money to buy the batteries for the remote control.
On a brighter a halving of income tax from 20% to 10% was announced for all those earning over £1,000,000 pa. However to balance the book an adjustment has had to be made at the lower end of the scale. Therefore the Government have scrapped the personal allowance and reintroduced a window tax on all properties with less than 10 bedrooms.
Finally the Government Tied Land Bill received PM's Accent and all those not in 'full time' gainful employment have 7 days to become 'land registered' or face imprisonment for up to 20 years. "
Lol, you forgot to say that you would still be posting the same old nonsense, but instead of your post starting" for the last 40years......" it would be "for the last 50years...."
Will you need to get out more! |
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"Lol, you forgot to say that you would still be posting the same old nonsense, but instead of your post starting" for the last 40years......" it would be "for the last 50years...."
Will you need to get out more! "
Hyperbole is amusing to me. But even more amusing are those who fail to see the essential truth that lies at the heart of my satire. |
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"Lol, you forgot to say that you would still be posting the same old nonsense, but instead of your post starting" for the last 40years......" it would be "for the last 50years...."
Will you need to get out more!
Hyperbole is amusing to me. But even more amusing are those who fail to see the essential truth that lies at the heart of my satire."
Will you are amusing to me, I find you a bit like Uncle Albert from Only Fools and Horses only his stories always started "during the war"! |
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
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"I love these posts about Britain being a model for others to follow. This country pioneered political and monetary union - the very thing you say you detest.
Lolol"
I didn't mention *model to follow*, that wasn't what I was saying. . . Others are toying with the idea of leaving too. We just happen to be the first to take that huge step. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I would almost say the same, brexit would still not have happened, there would be an even bigger devide with the people and there is no union anymore, northern ireland and scotland will be in the eu and the eu will be stronger than before  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I can see the EU crumble. . UK not being the only state to leave.
This is their concern, and why they are making it look so very hard for us to leave. It is of course a deception, it would not be difficult for us to simply walk away. The only thing that has stopped us thus far is the meddlesome interference of remainders in our own Parliament.
If we do go it alone there will be nothing the EU can do about it. The other 27 will then all know how easy it can be. There are movements in many of those nations that are watching us closely, and if we can set the right example, they too will begin to make their own EU exits.
Jolly good luck to them, time to leave this stinking federalisation and let Germany and France gasp for air as their little project comes apart at the seams...
You have no grasp of reality at all."
Prove me wrong then, because I explained my thoughts, you just answered with an accusation. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"I can see the EU crumble. . UK not being the only state to leave.
This is their concern, and why they are making it look so very hard for us to leave. It is of course a deception, it would not be difficult for us to simply walk away. The only thing that has stopped us thus far is the meddlesome interference of remainders in our own Parliament.
If we do go it alone there will be nothing the EU can do about it. The other 27 will then all know how easy it can be. There are movements in many of those nations that are watching us closely, and if we can set the right example, they too will begin to make their own EU exits.
Jolly good luck to them, time to leave this stinking federalisation and let Germany and France gasp for air as their little project comes apart at the seams...
You have no grasp of reality at all.
Prove me wrong then, because I explained my thoughts, you just answered with an accusation. "
How did you explain your thoughts? You made a series of ill thought out claims that have no bearing on what is happening in real life.
1) The EU is strengthening, not crumbling. Even EU skeptic parties realise that change is better made from within than from outside.
2) The EU has not made it hard for us to leave. They just want us to leave in a grown-up way and they want to protect the interests of the remaining EU nations. That is simply common sense. Your understanding as to why we have not yet left also appears to be misplaced. The Government has a majority in Parliament - they should have been able to get us out of the EU - it did not happen because of extreme Brexiters within the Government.
3) The people who are watching us are rolling around laughing, not waiting expectantly for the UK to emerge into magical sunlit uplands full of grazing unicorns. Generally speaking, Continental Europeans have a far better grasp of economics and politics than your average Brit. Hence it is all rather amusing to them - albeit in a kind of sad and resigned way. A bit like seeing Gazza a today when he was your hero at Euro 96.
4) There is ZERO proof that the EU is coming apart, or that the UK is some kind of trailblazer of freedom in Europe. That kind of talk emerges solely from the demented minds of Brexiters who believe that English Exceptionalism is the only thing needed for Brexit to be a success.
You see, you did not explain your thoughts at all - you just made a whole series of statements which are based on conjecture, wishful thinking and a startling lack of economic and political awareness - especially about life outside England. |
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"I can see the EU crumble. . UK not being the only state to leave.
This is their concern, and why they are making it look so very hard for us to leave. It is of course a deception, it would not be difficult for us to simply walk away. The only thing that has stopped us thus far is the meddlesome interference of remainders in our own Parliament.
If we do go it alone there will be nothing the EU can do about it. The other 27 will then all know how easy it can be. There are movements in many of those nations that are watching us closely, and if we can set the right example, they too will begin to make their own EU exits.
Jolly good luck to them, time to leave this stinking federalisation and let Germany and France gasp for air as their little project comes apart at the seams..."
Bizarre analysis. What Brexit has done is strengthen the unity of the 27, not weaken it, or had that escaped your notice because it doesn't fit with your ridiculous narrative |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I can see the EU crumble. . UK not being the only state to leave.
This is their concern, and why they are making it look so very hard for us to leave. It is of course a deception, it would not be difficult for us to simply walk away. The only thing that has stopped us thus far is the meddlesome interference of remainders in our own Parliament.
If we do go it alone there will be nothing the EU can do about it. The other 27 will then all know how easy it can be. There are movements in many of those nations that are watching us closely, and if we can set the right example, they too will begin to make their own EU exits.
Jolly good luck to them, time to leave this stinking federalisation and let Germany and France gasp for air as their little project comes apart at the seams...
You have no grasp of reality at all.
Prove me wrong then, because I explained my thoughts, you just answered with an accusation.
How did you explain your thoughts? You made a series of ill thought out claims that have no bearing on what is happening in real life.
1) The EU is strengthening, not crumbling. Even EU skeptic parties realise that change is better made from within than from outside.
2) The EU has not made it hard for us to leave. They just want us to leave in a grown-up way and they want to protect the interests of the remaining EU nations. That is simply common sense. Your understanding as to why we have not yet left also appears to be misplaced. The Government has a majority in Parliament - they should have been able to get us out of the EU - it did not happen because of extreme Brexiters within the Government.
3) The people who are watching us are rolling around laughing, not waiting expectantly for the UK to emerge into magical sunlit uplands full of grazing unicorns. Generally speaking, Continental Europeans have a far better grasp of economics and politics than your average Brit. Hence it is all rather amusing to them - albeit in a kind of sad and resigned way. A bit like seeing Gazza a today when he was your hero at Euro 96.
4) There is ZERO proof that the EU is coming apart, or that the UK is some kind of trailblazer of freedom in Europe. That kind of talk emerges solely from the demented minds of Brexiters who believe that English Exceptionalism is the only thing needed for Brexit to be a success.
You see, you did not explain your thoughts at all - you just made a whole series of statements which are based on conjecture, wishful thinking and a startling lack of economic and political awareness - especially about life outside England."
Well you have explained, but notwithstanding your explanations are just as much conjecture as you are accusing mine of being.
In the near future I will pull you up on this. When the UK, it if it needs to be England alone, will be better off outside the EU. No proof yet because we have not yet left, but then neither have you. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I can see the EU crumble. . UK not being the only state to leave.
This is their concern, and why they are making it look so very hard for us to leave. It is of course a deception, it would not be difficult for us to simply walk away. The only thing that has stopped us thus far is the meddlesome interference of remainders in our own Parliament.
If we do go it alone there will be nothing the EU can do about it. The other 27 will then all know how easy it can be. There are movements in many of those nations that are watching us closely, and if we can set the right example, they too will begin to make their own EU exits.
Jolly good luck to them, time to leave this stinking federalisation and let Germany and France gasp for air as their little project comes apart at the seams...
Bizarre analysis. What Brexit has done is strengthen the unity of the 27, not weaken it, or had that escaped your notice because it doesn't fit with your ridiculous narrative"
BREXIT hasn’t happened yet, you do understand that, yeah? Once we are out and start getting our shit together, the EU sceptics in other nations will see a way out. Methinks they will follow our lead.
Still the future is constantly evolving, and you may get your chance to prove me wrong. Don’t hold your breath... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"I can see the EU crumble. . UK not being the only state to leave.
This is their concern, and why they are making it look so very hard for us to leave. It is of course a deception, it would not be difficult for us to simply walk away. The only thing that has stopped us thus far is the meddlesome interference of remainders in our own Parliament.
If we do go it alone there will be nothing the EU can do about it. The other 27 will then all know how easy it can be. There are movements in many of those nations that are watching us closely, and if we can set the right example, they too will begin to make their own EU exits.
Jolly good luck to them, time to leave this stinking federalisation and let Germany and France gasp for air as their little project comes apart at the seams...
Bizarre analysis. What Brexit has done is strengthen the unity of the 27, not weaken it, or had that escaped your notice because it doesn't fit with your ridiculous narrative"
Not very unified on climate commitments today are they? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ask a French person ...they will tell u france wants out as well ...but they won't get a referendum because the politicians won't like the result...."
They (the politicians) don’t want to get off the gravy train. They might also be worried about Germany, metaphorically waving the white flag is better than literally. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ask a French person ...they will tell u france wants out as well ...but they won't get a referendum because the politicians won't like the result....
They (the politicians) don’t want to get off the gravy train. They might also be worried about Germany, metaphorically waving the white flag is better than literally."
So who's on the gravy train, your Nige for one
There's 74 French MEP's so are you saying it's just them 74 keeping France in the EU
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By *ertwoCouple
over a year ago
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"I can see the EU crumble. . UK not being the only state to leave.
This is their concern, and why they are making it look so very hard for us to leave. It is of course a deception, it would not be difficult for us to simply walk away. The only thing that has stopped us thus far is the meddlesome interference of remainders in our own Parliament.
If we do go it alone there will be nothing the EU can do about it. The other 27 will then all know how easy it can be. There are movements in many of those nations that are watching us closely, and if we can set the right example, they too will begin to make their own EU exits.
Jolly good luck to them, time to leave this stinking federalisation and let Germany and France gasp for air as their little project comes apart at the seams...
How have they made it hard for us to leave?
They have heard us say we're happy with a no deal.
Yet have offered us a deal.
They didn't prevent us being out already. We did.
First the EU have not ofered the UK a trade deal what Mrs May had was a list of EU demands they insist we place in UK law before they tell us what the EU trade demands will be. Under those demands the UK will pay £39 billion plus more on demand for items not included in those costings. That is on the EUs own web site. If we can afford to pay the EU that level of UK money from the UK tax payers think how much better of we will be keeping it. The EU know we will not be going bankrupt or they would not be looking our money. Even under WTO terms EU/UK trade will continue as these terms are fair to trade going both ways. Then there will be the Bonis for the UK tax payer as we will not be handing multi billions each year over to the EU. The UK government will have a massive cash spree spending all the money which the EU have been taking. Remember when the EU give you a grant of say £600 it costs the UK tax payer £1000. Truth is the EU dont pay it we do and we pay extra to the EU and let them brain wash us into thinking they gave it to us. True fact is the EU is not a free trade area our governments prepay with our tax for the right to trade it is not free. Now let us look at WTO terms and EU/UK trade the EU export more into the UK than we export to the EU, that means under WTO terms the EU will pay the UK more than we pay them. The EU demand list also gives diplomatic emunity to EU passport holders as it demands they can not be taken to a UK court. No country can survive with 2 sets of lathe ws and 2 court systems. Remember when IRA planted bombs killing UK nationals they under the EU demands can not be taken to a UK court the same will apply for ISIS etc...
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"Ask a French person ...they will tell u france wants out as well ...but they won't get a referendum because the politicians won't like the result....
They (the politicians) don’t want to get off the gravy train. They might also be worried about Germany, metaphorically waving the white flag is better than literally.
So who's on the gravy train, your Nige for one
There's 74 French MEP's so are you saying it's just them 74 keeping France in the EU
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Nige and the other TBP MEPs are going to protest against those who are continually attempting to tie us to the EU. When they get their way they will have to give up their seats as we will no longer be members.
There are plenty of French and Belgium lorry drivers stopping where I work. I speak to them, and they all wish that their governments would trigger Article 50 and take them out of that shitty EU. Even in the ROI there is an anti EU movement that is gathering pace.
We might be the only nation leaving now, but we won’t be the last. Not by a long way. |
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"Ask a French person ...they will tell u france wants out as well ...but they won't get a referendum because the politicians won't like the result....
They (the politicians) don’t want to get off the gravy train. They might also be worried about Germany, metaphorically waving the white flag is better than literally.
So who's on the gravy train, your Nige for one
There's 74 French MEP's so are you saying it's just them 74 keeping France in the EU
Nige and the other TBP MEPs are going to protest against those who are continually attempting to tie us to the EU. When they get their way they will have to give up their seats as we will no longer be members.
There are plenty of French and Belgium lorry drivers stopping where I work. I speak to them, and they all wish that their governments would trigger Article 50 and take them out of that shitty EU. Even in the ROI there is an anti EU movement that is gathering pace.
We might be the only nation leaving now, but we won’t be the last. Not by a long way."
So who are the TBP MEP's going to protest against?
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Every EU country has an anti EU movement and it’s good that the EU are challenged. But to say that the EU will collapse is another matter. Latest polls in Ireland show a 75% approval rating for the EU.
It’s like saying people in this country want a no deal Brexit- yes they are but ( according to The latest You Gov poll) they only constitute 20% of the population sampled.
Anti EU sentiment is stronger in the Netherlands and France compared to Ireland but the bat shit crazy handling of Brexit in this country has scared even the most Euro skeptic parties that leaving the EU is a bad idea.
Indirectly, Brexit is probably galvanised more pro EU support in other EU countries. |
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"I can see the EU crumble. . UK not being the only state to leave.
This is their concern, and why they are making it look so very hard for us to leave. It is of course a deception, it would not be difficult for us to simply walk away. The only thing that has stopped us thus far is the meddlesome interference of remainders in our own Parliament.
If we do go it alone there will be nothing the EU can do about it. The other 27 will then all know how easy it can be. There are movements in many of those nations that are watching us closely, and if we can set the right example, they too will begin to make their own EU exits.
Jolly good luck to them, time to leave this stinking federalisation and let Germany and France gasp for air as their little project comes apart at the seams...
You have no grasp of reality at all.
Prove me wrong then, because I explained my thoughts, you just answered with an accusation.
How did you explain your thoughts? You made a series of ill thought out claims that have no bearing on what is happening in real life.
1) The EU is strengthening, not crumbling. Even EU skeptic parties realise that change is better made from within than from outside.
2) The EU has not made it hard for us to leave. They just want us to leave in a grown-up way and they want to protect the interests of the remaining EU nations. That is simply common sense. Your understanding as to why we have not yet left also appears to be misplaced. The Government has a majority in Parliament - they should have been able to get us out of the EU - it did not happen because of extreme Brexiters within the Government.
3) The people who are watching us are rolling around laughing, not waiting expectantly for the UK to emerge into magical sunlit uplands full of grazing unicorns. Generally speaking, Continental Europeans have a far better grasp of economics and politics than your average Brit. Hence it is all rather amusing to them - albeit in a kind of sad and resigned way. A bit like seeing Gazza a today when he was your hero at Euro 96.
4) There is ZERO proof that the EU is coming apart, or that the UK is some kind of trailblazer of freedom in Europe. That kind of talk emerges solely from the demented minds of Brexiters who believe that English Exceptionalism is the only thing needed for Brexit to be a success.
You see, you did not explain your thoughts at all - you just made a whole series of statements which are based on conjecture, wishful thinking and a startling lack of economic and political awareness - especially about life outside England."
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"All eu countries love the eu when they take loads out ...ie Ireland...turkeys don't vote for xmas"
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DUBLIN (Reuters) - "Reconciling Ireland’s twin aims of keeping its border with Northern Ireland open and remaining a fully compliant member of the EU’s single market in a no-deal Brexit would be difficult but possible, Prime Minister Leo Varadkar said on Monday."
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"DUBLIN (Reuters) - "Reconciling Ireland’s twin aims of keeping its border with Northern Ireland open and remaining a fully compliant member of the EU’s single market in a no-deal Brexit would be difficult but possible, Prime Minister Leo Varadkar said on Monday."
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“Ireland will not impose any restrictions along its now open border with British-run Northern Ireland if Britain quits the EU without a deal but will need to take "some action somewhere" to protect the EU single market, its foreign minister said.“ |
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"Another way of looking at the current impasse is if Brexit happens in the next year and jump forward 10 years. Leaving out the economic arguments - politically what do you see happening?
Personally I think there will be a united Ireland( will remain part of the EU)an independent Scotland, an Independent Wales and and Independent England- all trying to apply for membership of the EU.
Sadly the Union Jack will have been regrettable retired and the monarchy will be wondering if they should have intervened sooner to save the Union.
For those who think the EU is finished - Brexit has taught even the most anti establishment parties throughout Europe ( particularly Le Pen’s) that is better to argue from within the club than being outside it.
What are yer thoughts?"
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