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Leaving the EU more important than preserving the UK, say Tory Party members
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
A YouGov poll of Conservative Party members finds:
* 63 per cent would be prepared to see Scotland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 59 per cent would be prepared to see Northern Ireland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 54 per cent would accept the destruction of the Conservative Party to get Brexit
Only when it comes to the prospect of Mr Corbyn becoming PM do 51 per cent say they would give up on the idea.
These are the people electing the next PM, folks - people who would rather see the destruction of the UK than the destruction of their ideological dream.
Dynamite. |
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No longer the one nation "Conservative and UNIONIST" party then.
The Conservative Party really needs to take a long, hard look at its self. It's no longer the party of business; it's no longer the party of Unionism, it's no longer the party of parliamentary democracy; it's no longer the party for Europe; it's no longer the party for trade, it's no longer the party of meritocracy; it's no longer the party of opportunity. Apart from English Nationalism, what is it the party for now? Pitt, Peal and Churchill must flipping somersaults in their graves.
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On the numbers that were polled, even if only 900 its a bit of an insight into how frothing at the mouth some are in that party..
Or dribbling like inmates..
Frightening thought processes some of the seem to have.. |
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"No longer the one nation "Conservative and UNIONIST" party then.
The Conservative Party really needs to take a long, hard look at its self. It's no longer the party of business; it's no longer the party of Unionism, it's no longer the party of parliamentary democracy; it's no longer the party for Europe; it's no longer the party for trade, it's no longer the party of meritocracy; it's no longer the party of opportunity. Apart from English Nationalism, what is it the party for now? Pitt, Peal and Churchill must flipping somersaults in their graves.
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And yet given all that Boris and his band are pushing the mantra of uniting the country..
It's beyond parody.. |
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"There will be no massive cost, BREXIT will happen and will be a success."
The cost in the the divisions within Britain has already been to high. The cost in our international integrity by just talking about walking away from two international treaties is already too high.
There has already been a high cost and when we leave, especially if we leave with 'no deal', the cost will be crippling.
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"No longer the one nation "Conservative and UNIONIST" party then.
The Conservative Party really needs to take a long, hard look at its self. It's no longer the party of business; it's no longer the party of Unionism, it's no longer the party of parliamentary democracy; it's no longer the party for Europe; it's no longer the party for trade, it's no longer the party of meritocracy; it's no longer the party of opportunity. Apart from English Nationalism, what is it the party for now? Pitt, Peal and Churchill must flipping somersaults in their graves.
And yet given all that Boris and his band are pushing the mantra of uniting the country..
It's beyond parody.. "
It deeply worries me but more than that it deeply saddens me to see this.
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
If the Brexiteers are willing to sacrifice the United Kingdom in pursuit of their goal, then it tells me they are motivated more by a sense of English identity than a British one.
I had suspected this. The poll provides the evidence.
It appears to be a country in a headlong retreat into itself. |
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"No longer the one nation "Conservative and UNIONIST" party then.
The Conservative Party really needs to take a long, hard look at its self. It's no longer the party of business; it's no longer the party of Unionism, it's no longer the party of parliamentary democracy; it's no longer the party for Europe; it's no longer the party for trade, it's no longer the party of meritocracy; it's no longer the party of opportunity. Apart from English Nationalism, what is it the party for now? Pitt, Peal and Churchill must flipping somersaults in their graves.
And yet given all that Boris and his band are pushing the mantra of uniting the country..
It's beyond parody..
It deeply worries me but more than that it deeply saddens me to see this.
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The boil has been lanced and the contents are truly abhorrent.. |
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over a year ago
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I'm not even sure what pots of gold Brexit delivers to be worth this cost. Especially no deal. Immigration will be at record levels of the Scots and Irish count as migrants. And why they think the destruction of the tory party wont lead to a labour government I don't know. I mean, if Brexit is delivered then will TBP exist to take over...? |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
It was already known that 60 per cent of Tory members voted for Farage at the Euros.
This poll says 46 per cent would be happy to have him lead the Tory Party.
The Conservative and Unionist Party now in name only - this is the Brexit Party by any other name.
A right-wing coup happening before our eyes.
What next? A lordship for Farage so he can become deputy PM to Johnson? Not even he is that stupid. Is he? |
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"A YouGov poll of Conservative Party members finds:
* 63 per cent would be prepared to see Scotland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 59 per cent would be prepared to see Northern Ireland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 54 per cent would accept the destruction of the Conservative Party to get Brexit
Only when it comes to the prospect of Mr Corbyn becoming PM do 51 per cent say they would give up on the idea.
These are the people electing the next PM, folks - people who would rather see the destruction of the UK than the destruction of their ideological dream.
Dynamite."
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"If the Brexiteers are willing to sacrifice the United Kingdom in pursuit of their goal, then it tells me they are motivated more by a sense of English identity than a British one.
I had suspected this. The poll provides the evidence.
It appears to be a country in a headlong retreat into itself."
It is no longer Brexit - it is rapidly becoming English Exit (engexit?) from the United Kingdom, from Europe and from the rest of the world. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In the words of Bomber Harris
The Brexiteers in their rather childish delusion thought that we could leave the EU without any harm to our economy
" They sowed the wind and are going to reap the whirlwind. "
I can't wait to hear their bleating voices when it all goes shit shaped. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
I have a vision in my head of Captain Manwaring sat in his local Wetherspoons putting two fingers up to Europeans, two fingers up to the Scots, two fingers up to the Irish . . .in fact, two fingers up to everyone who does not resemble his stroll with Doris along Margate seafront in 1957. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"A YouGov poll of Conservative Party members finds:
* 63 per cent would be prepared to see Scotland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 59 per cent would be prepared to see Northern Ireland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 54 per cent would accept the destruction of the Conservative Party to get Brexit
Only when it comes to the prospect of Mr Corbyn becoming PM do 51 per cent say they would give up on the idea.
These are the people electing the next PM, folks - people who would rather see the destruction of the UK than the destruction of their ideological dream.
Dynamite."
Was not sent this poll by You Guv,it is funny but they send different polls to different people.
Anyway I feel that England Scotland and Wales should stay as one nation but would be happy for N Ireland to become part of eira as that is a natural way,we are an island and they are.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"In the words of Bomber Harris
The Brexiteers in their rather childish delusion thought that we could leave the EU without any harm to our economy
" They sowed the wind and are going to reap the whirlwind. "
I can't wait to hear their bleating voices when it all goes shit shaped."
You are under the illusion that the economy was a voting factor for most of us it as not.Yes we will take one step back to take two steps forward but you cannot see this.The advantages outway the disavantages.
If you now ask me what they are then go back over what I have said I am sick of repeating myself as you do not want to know anyway |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"A YouGov poll of Conservative Party members finds:
* 63 per cent would be prepared to see Scotland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 59 per cent would be prepared to see Northern Ireland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 54 per cent would accept the destruction of the Conservative Party to get Brexit
Only when it comes to the prospect of Mr Corbyn becoming PM do 51 per cent say they would give up on the idea.
These are the people electing the next PM, folks - people who would rather see the destruction of the UK than the destruction of their ideological dream.
Dynamite."
peacehaven and centy have both said the same thing here.... so why are we surprised that most conservative members feel that way
in fact i bet if you asked brexit party voters the same question the percentages would probably be higher.... they don't care about northern irish or scotland, that border issue is just a hinderance to them!
this just tells people in scotland and northern ireland that the "little englander" mentality is both loud and strong.... |
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"In the words of Bomber Harris
The Brexiteers in their rather childish delusion thought that we could leave the EU without any harm to our economy
" They sowed the wind and are going to reap the whirlwind. "
I can't wait to hear their bleating voices when it all goes shit shaped.You are under the illusion that the economy was a voting factor for most of us it as not.Yes we will take one step back to take two steps forward but you cannot see this.The advantages outway the disavantages.
If you now ask me what they are then go back over what I have said I am sick of repeating myself as you do not want to know anyway"
Nope I don't want to know. I just want you to get and your band of fellow brexit voters to have your way and let's get on with it so you can build jerusalem in Englands pleasant pastures seen  . Trouble is you have corbers waiting in the lush green grass to jump out and bite you. Then it will be. It's all corbers fault. We didn't want it to go this way baaaaaaaaaa. Baaaaaaaaa. Baaaaaaaa |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A YouGov poll of Conservative Party members finds:
* 63 per cent would be prepared to see Scotland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 59 per cent would be prepared to see Northern Ireland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 54 per cent would accept the destruction of the Conservative Party to get Brexit
Only when it comes to the prospect of Mr Corbyn becoming PM do 51 per cent say they would give up on the idea.
These are the people electing the next PM, folks - people who would rather see the destruction of the UK than the destruction of their ideological dream.
Dynamite."
Whopeee (fucking) doooooo!
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Well, you've certainly opened Pandora's box. No going back now."
Join the tory party and have a say if you are so worried about it after all thats what momentum did to get a rank outsider marxist leader for labour.
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"Well, you've certainly opened Pandora's box. No going back now.Join the tory party and have a say if you are so worried about it after all thats what momentum did to get a rank outsider marxist leader for labour."
Need to have been a member of it for 3 months prior to the vote, their membership did go up so maybe some of those have done the same.. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Well, you've certainly opened Pandora's box. No going back now.Join the tory party and have a say if you are so worried about it after all thats what momentum did to get a rank outsider marxist leader for labour.
Need to have been a member of it for 3 months prior to the vote, their membership did go up so maybe some of those have done the same.. "
Correct but the writing has been on the wall for a long time now plenty of time for the people who seem so worried about it to join.I love the way they complain that only a handful of people are electing the next PM when they had the same opportunity as them just didnt bother.  |
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"Well, you've certainly opened Pandora's box. No going back now.Join the tory party and have a say if you are so worried about it after all thats what momentum did to get a rank outsider marxist leader for labour.
Need to have been a member of it for 3 months prior to the vote, their membership did go up so maybe some of those have done the same.. Correct but the writing has been on the wall for a long time now plenty of time for the people who seem so worried about it to join.I love the way they complain that only a handful of people are electing the next PM when they had the same opportunity as them just didnt bother. "
Why bother when the only choice to vote for is a tory shite? |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Well, you've certainly opened Pandora's box. No going back now.Join the tory party and have a say if you are so worried about it after all thats what momentum did to get a rank outsider marxist leader for labour."
Pandora's box belongs to you, not me.
I'm looking forward to seeing it eat you lot alive. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"I love the way they complain that only a handful of people are electing the next PM when they had the same opportunity as them just didnt bother. "
Nobody elects a PM in this country.
The Queen appoints an MP (or in theory a Lord) she believes can command a majority in the House.
Many a slip twixt cup and lip.
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"Well, you've certainly opened Pandora's box. No going back now.Join the tory party and have a say if you are so worried about it after all thats what momentum did to get a rank outsider marxist leader for labour.
Pandora's box belongs to you, not me.
I'm looking forward to seeing it eat you lot alive."
It's about time a brexiter owned something. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well, you've certainly opened Pandora's box. No going back now.Join the tory party and have a say if you are so worried about it after all thats what momentum did to get a rank outsider marxist leader for labour.
Need to have been a member of it for 3 months prior to the vote, their membership did go up so maybe some of those have done the same.. Correct but the writing has been on the wall for a long time now plenty of time for the people who seem so worried about it to join.I love the way they complain that only a handful of people are electing the next PM when they had the same opportunity as them just didnt bother. "
Imagine the uproar if the eu said you could be involved in the election of the eu president... But you have to pay money to join a party you don't agree with. And have to denounce membership of any parties you do...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why didn't they write " let's leave the EU and break up the UK " on the side of a big red bus ??? "
Only lies that get votes were permitted on the big red bus .The truth was forbidden and not considered a vote winner. |
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"Why didn't they write " let's leave the EU and break up the UK " on the side of a big red bus ???
Only lies that get votes were permitted on the big red bus .The truth was forbidden and not considered a vote winner. "
you could of said the same about Cameron’s letter through ever letter box in the uk bob what was the cost 9 million ? Well spent lol |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Cameron’s letter through ever letter box in the uk bob what was the cost 9 million ? Well spent lol"
Which the Brexiteers are now holding up as proof that people knew they were voting for job losses.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There will be no massive cost, BREXIT will happen and will be a success.
What are you all worried about, it's there above in black and white  "
And I don’t believe a word of it, utter claptrap! |
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"Cameron’s letter through ever letter box in the uk bob what was the cost 9 million ? Well spent lol
Which the Brexiteers are now holding up as proof that people knew they were voting for job losses.
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you do know jobs are higher than before the vote record high |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There will be no massive cost, BREXIT will happen and will be a success.
What are you all worried about, it's there above in black and white
And I don’t believe a word of it, utter claptrap!"
Now I'm confused!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There will be no massive cost, BREXIT will happen and will be a success.
What are you all worried about, it's there above in black and white
And I don’t believe a word of it, utter claptrap!
Now I'm confused!! "
All the doom and gloom being posted about BREXIT, is bollocks is what I’m saying. You only have to read what remoaners are posting on this thread. We will at last be EU free and all those twats are crying about it! |
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over a year ago
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"No longer the one nation "Conservative and UNIONIST" party then.
The Conservative Party really needs to take a long, hard look at its self. It's no longer the party of business; it's no longer the party of Unionism, it's no longer the party of parliamentary democracy; it's no longer the party for Europe; it's no longer the party for trade, it's no longer the party of meritocracy; it's no longer the party of opportunity. Apart from English Nationalism, what is it the party for now? Pitt, Peal and Churchill must flipping somersaults in their graves.
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I think Pitt, Peal and Churchill were flipping somersaults in their graves when the worst Tory Prime minister in history Ted Heath took us into the EU in the first place. That is where this whole thing started, we should have never joined to begin with! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If the Brexiteers are willing to sacrifice the United Kingdom in pursuit of their goal, then it tells me they are motivated more by a sense of English identity than a British one.
I had suspected this. The poll provides the evidence.
It appears to be a country in a headlong retreat into itself."
Yet again you also gloss over the fact Wales voted to Leave as well as the English.  |
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"If the Brexiteers are willing to sacrifice the United Kingdom in pursuit of their goal, then it tells me they are motivated more by a sense of English identity than a British one.
I had suspected this. The poll provides the evidence.
It appears to be a country in a headlong retreat into itself.
It is no longer Brexit - it is rapidly becoming English Exit (engexit?) from the United Kingdom, from Europe and from the rest of the world."
Oh look, another one who overlooks Wales. What about Wales exit as the Welsh also voted to Leave. |
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"Cameron’s letter through ever letter box in the uk bob what was the cost 9 million ? Well spent lol
Which the Brexiteers are now holding up as proof that people knew they were voting for job losses.
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Funny then that UK employment is at an all time record high, and unemployment is at the lowest levels since the 1970's, and in 2018 the UK attracted more foreign direct investment than Germany and France combined (source = Office for national statistics, ONS). |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Cameron’s letter through ever letter box in the uk bob what was the cost 9 million ? Well spent lol
Which the Brexiteers are now holding up as proof that people knew they were voting for job losses.
Funny then that UK employment is at an all time record high, and unemployment is at the lowest levels since the 1970's, and in 2018 the UK attracted more foreign direct investment than Germany and France combined (source = Office for national statistics, ONS). "
Dont let facts get in the way of scaremongering the remainers wont like it. |
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"A YouGov poll of Conservative Party members finds:
* 63 per cent would be prepared to see Scotland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 59 per cent would be prepared to see Northern Ireland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 54 per cent would accept the destruction of the Conservative Party to get Brexit
Only when it comes to the prospect of Mr Corbyn becoming PM do 51 per cent say they would give up on the idea.
These are the people electing the next PM, folks - people who would rather see the destruction of the UK than the destruction of their ideological dream.
Dynamite."
Brexit is going to happen anyway. If it leads to the destruction of the Tory party, that'll be a bonus.
I'd be fine with the UK breaking up, too. I'd rather live in a democracy anyway. So, bring it on. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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"Cameron’s letter through ever letter box in the uk bob what was the cost 9 million ? Well spent lol
Which the Brexiteers are now holding up as proof that people knew they were voting for job losses.
Funny then that UK employment is at an all time record high, and unemployment is at the lowest levels since the 1970's, and in 2018 the UK attracted more foreign direct investment than Germany and France combined (source = Office for national statistics, ONS). "
Nice try to spin your way out of a hole.
Fail, though.
Here is the actual transcript:
Interviewer: "You are willing to go for no deal, though."
Leadsom: "You have to be. In any negotiation you have to be prepared to walk away."
Interviewer: "So, are you willing to go for no deal even if somebody loses their job. Can you guarantee nobody will lose their job?"
Leadsom: "Nobody can ever guarantee nobody will ever lose their job. People lose their jobs and gain new jobs every single day of the week.
"In the event of a no deal Brexit, there will be winners and losers. And there will be some short-term disruption. I am not an advocate of no deal."
Interviewer: "Is it worth it for someone to lose their job?"
Leadsom: "The democracy of our nation is worth everything. The people took a decision and we have to deliver on that"
Interviewer: "But hang on, they did necessarily vote to leave the EU without a deal."
Leadsom: "They were not asked. They were asked whether to leave the EU or remain in the EU."
Interviewer: "Absolutely. But if they had known there was a risk of them losing their jobs in the event of a no deal Brexit?"
Leadsom: "All of that was made very, very clear. Don't forget, the Government put out a leaflet to all the households saying the NHS would have cuts, pensioners would have cuts, that we'd have half a million unemployed, so you can't say people weren't told."
So, there we have it - the spin begins for the catastrophe ahead.
Project Fear rebranded as Project Fact.
Funny, I never saw it written on the side of the bus.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"A YouGov poll of Conservative Party members finds:
* 63 per cent would be prepared to see Scotland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 59 per cent would be prepared to see Northern Ireland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 54 per cent would accept the destruction of the Conservative Party to get Brexit
Only when it comes to the prospect of Mr Corbyn becoming PM do 51 per cent say they would give up on the idea.
These are the people electing the next PM, folks - people who would rather see the destruction of the UK than the destruction of their ideological dream.
Dynamite."
Quite staggering and begs the question as to just how mentally fucked up do you have to be to prefer that your country is torn apart over the question of our future relationship with our European Partners.
A Psychiatrist would have a field day with the issues arising over this. A strong, proud and confident Nation embraces partners and exerts influence through self-confidence and sheer positive energy. A weak, fearful and timid Nation is afraid of its neighbours and retreats into the security of its own fortress where it feels safe and secure.
What on Earth is going on???? |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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"The mindset of the Brexiteer defies any logic or reason. It's why I am done with the argument.
The country they want back is not the country I want to live in.
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. The country they are hoping to get back might be smaller than the country they thought they were getting back |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A YouGov poll of Conservative Party members finds:
* 63 per cent would be prepared to see Scotland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 59 per cent would be prepared to see Northern Ireland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 54 per cent would accept the destruction of the Conservative Party to get Brexit
Only when it comes to the prospect of Mr Corbyn becoming PM do 51 per cent say they would give up on the idea.
These are the people electing the next PM, folks - people who would rather see the destruction of the UK than the destruction of their ideological dream.
Dynamite.
Quite staggering and begs the question as to just how mentally fucked up do you have to be to prefer that your country is torn apart over the question of our future relationship with our European Partners.
A Psychiatrist would have a field day with the issues arising over this. A strong, proud and confident Nation embraces partners and exerts influence through self-confidence and sheer positive energy. A weak, fearful and timid Nation is afraid of its neighbours and retreats into the security of its own fortress where it feels safe and secure.
What on Earth is going on???? "
Any qualified psychiatrist could just as easily turn that around the other way to say....
A strong, proud and confident nation embraces independence, sovereignty and self governance, and exerts influence through soft power in the world through bodies like the United nations and Nato. A weak, fearful and timid nation, is afraid of standing on its own two feet, and of making its own way in the world, and retreats into the comfort blanket of the EU, too scared to cut the apron strings of Brussels where it feels safe and secure. |
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over a year ago
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"The mindset of the Brexiteer defies any logic or reason. It's why I am done with the argument.
The country they want back is not the country I want to live in.
so will you leave the Uk then ? "
I suspect people who make those kinds of statements are of the same mindset as the celeb luvvies in the USA who said they would leave the USA if Donald Trump became President, 3 years later and they are still there.
These people are full of hot air, wind and piss.  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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i see a lot of people are arguing around the poll... but are not saying the poll results aren't true....
so lets be honest and just ask the questions.... in the possible breakaway of the union a price worth paying for brexit....
sooner those wanting brexit are honest with the rest of us.... sooner people least know where they stand
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"The mindset of the Brexiteer defies any logic or reason. It's why I am done with the argument.
The country they want back is not the country I want to live in.
so will you leave the Uk then ?
I suspect people who make those kinds of statements are of the same mindset as the celeb luvvies in the USA who said they would leave the USA if Donald Trump became President, 3 years later and they are still there.
These people are full of hot air, wind and piss. "
wonder how many of them actually moved to Canada when trump got in bet you can count on one hand lol can I ask you Fabio have you got your Irish passport yet ? |
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By *oo hotCouple
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"A YouGov poll of Conservative Party members finds:
* 63 per cent would be prepared to see Scotland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 59 per cent would be prepared to see Northern Ireland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 54 per cent would accept the destruction of the Conservative Party to get Brexit
Only when it comes to the prospect of Mr Corbyn becoming PM do 51 per cent say they would give up on the idea.
These are the people electing the next PM, folks - people who would rather see the destruction of the UK than the destruction of their ideological dream.
Dynamite.
Quite staggering and begs the question as to just how mentally fucked up do you have to be to prefer that your country is torn apart over the question of our future relationship with our European Partners.
A Psychiatrist would have a field day with the issues arising over this. A strong, proud and confident Nation embraces partners and exerts influence through self-confidence and sheer positive energy. A weak, fearful and timid Nation is afraid of its neighbours and retreats into the security of its own fortress where it feels safe and secure.
What on Earth is going on????
Any qualified psychiatrist could just as easily turn that around the other way to say....
A strong, proud and confident nation embraces independence, sovereignty and self governance, and exerts influence through soft power in the world through bodies like the United nations and Nato. A weak, fearful and timid nation, is afraid of standing on its own two feet, and of making its own way in the world, and retreats into the comfort blanket of the EU, too scared to cut the apron strings of Brussels where it feels safe and secure. "
Except that the issues at hand completely invalidate your analogy. Almost two thirds of the Conservatives polled would be happy to see their country broken up. Watching potential Conservative Leaders are now championing a course of action to make us as isolated as North Korea. People all over social media fret about Brexit having to happen at any cost. This is happening - this is fear and weakness and it is bonkers. The E.U. is a political and economic union and our closest neighbours (E.U. countries) will still be our best trading partners when we have left the E.U. despite us removing ourselves from the benefits of having an easy relationship with those same people. Now we want to be away from them and shout over the garden wall at them instead of working together with them.
The facts of the whole issue do not support your alternative analogy. We are running away because we can’t accept that others can be equal to us and because we do not have the diplomatic and national confidence to shape Europe’s future we are closing in on ourselves. The false narrative is that we will be free to trade with who we like - and that is true, just as we are free to trade with who we like now.
The UK has become a shrinking violet that is flying around powered by past glories. The seemingly now inevitable break up of our union will simply end up with England on its own snarling and swearing at its neighbours and puffing up its chest across the English Channel singing “Two world wars and one World Cup” at every passing European merchant vessel.
Nationalism is destroying everything that was good about this great nation of ours and like all forms of Nationalism it’s roots are in fear and ignorance. |
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"A YouGov poll of Conservative Party members finds:
* 63 per cent would be prepared to see Scotland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 59 per cent would be prepared to see Northern Ireland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 54 per cent would accept the destruction of the Conservative Party to get Brexit
Only when it comes to the prospect of Mr Corbyn becoming PM do 51 per cent say they would give up on the idea.
These are the people electing the next PM, folks - people who would rather see the destruction of the UK than the destruction of their ideological dream.
Dynamite.
Quite staggering and begs the question as to just how mentally fucked up do you have to be to prefer that your country is torn apart over the question of our future relationship with our European Partners.
A Psychiatrist would have a field day with the issues arising over this. A strong, proud and confident Nation embraces partners and exerts influence through self-confidence and sheer positive energy. A weak, fearful and timid Nation is afraid of its neighbours and retreats into the security of its own fortress where it feels safe and secure.
What on Earth is going on????
Any qualified psychiatrist could just as easily turn that around the other way to say....
A strong, proud and confident nation embraces independence, sovereignty and self governance, and exerts influence through soft power in the world through bodies like the United nations and Nato. A weak, fearful and timid nation, is afraid of standing on its own two feet, and of making its own way in the world, and retreats into the comfort blanket of the EU, too scared to cut the apron strings of Brussels where it feels safe and secure.
Except that the issues at hand completely invalidate your analogy. Almost two thirds of the Conservatives polled would be happy to see their country broken up. Watching potential Conservative Leaders are now championing a course of action to make us as isolated as North Korea. People all over social media fret about Brexit having to happen at any cost. This is happening - this is fear and weakness and it is bonkers. The E.U. is a political and economic union and our closest neighbours (E.U. countries) will still be our best trading partners when we have left the E.U. despite us removing ourselves from the benefits of having an easy relationship with those same people. Now we want to be away from them and shout over the garden wall at them instead of working together with them.
The facts of the whole issue do not support your alternative analogy. We are running away because we can’t accept that others can be equal to us and because we do not have the diplomatic and national confidence to shape Europe’s future we are closing in on ourselves. The false narrative is that we will be free to trade with who we like - and that is true, just as we are free to trade with who we like now.
The UK has become a shrinking violet that is flying around powered by past glories. The seemingly now inevitable break up of our union will simply end up with England on its own snarling and swearing at its neighbours and puffing up its chest across the English Channel singing “Two world wars and one World Cup” at every passing European merchant vessel.
Nationalism is destroying everything that was good about this great nation of ours and like all forms of Nationalism it’s roots are in fear and ignorance."
In that case, your analogy doesn't stack up either. You talk about shouting over the garden fence at neighbours, but by wanting to remain, you want your neighbours to run and control your affairs, and control your purse strings, your neighbours will control your household bills, your neighbours will tell you who you can or can't invite into the house, and they will tell you when you can go out or when you have to stay in. You live in a house which you think is yours, but you have effectively become a prisoner in your own home. |
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"A YouGov poll of Conservative Party members finds:
* 63 per cent would be prepared to see Scotland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 59 per cent would be prepared to see Northern Ireland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 54 per cent would accept the destruction of the Conservative Party to get Brexit
Only when it comes to the prospect of Mr Corbyn becoming PM do 51 per cent say they would give up on the idea.
These are the people electing the next PM, folks - people who would rather see the destruction of the UK than the destruction of their ideological dream.
Dynamite.
Quite staggering and begs the question as to just how mentally fucked up do you have to be to prefer that your country is torn apart over the question of our future relationship with our European Partners.
A Psychiatrist would have a field day with the issues arising over this. A strong, proud and confident Nation embraces partners and exerts influence through self-confidence and sheer positive energy. A weak, fearful and timid Nation is afraid of its neighbours and retreats into the security of its own fortress where it feels safe and secure.
What on Earth is going on????
Any qualified psychiatrist could just as easily turn that around the other way to say....
A strong, proud and confident nation embraces independence, sovereignty and self governance, and exerts influence through soft power in the world through bodies like the United nations and Nato. A weak, fearful and timid nation, is afraid of standing on its own two feet, and of making its own way in the world, and retreats into the comfort blanket of the EU, too scared to cut the apron strings of Brussels where it feels safe and secure.
Except that the issues at hand completely invalidate your analogy. Almost two thirds of the Conservatives polled would be happy to see their country broken up. Watching potential Conservative Leaders are now championing a course of action to make us as isolated as North Korea. People all over social media fret about Brexit having to happen at any cost. This is happening - this is fear and weakness and it is bonkers. The E.U. is a political and economic union and our closest neighbours (E.U. countries) will still be our best trading partners when we have left the E.U. despite us removing ourselves from the benefits of having an easy relationship with those same people. Now we want to be away from them and shout over the garden wall at them instead of working together with them.
The facts of the whole issue do not support your alternative analogy. We are running away because we can’t accept that others can be equal to us and because we do not have the diplomatic and national confidence to shape Europe’s future we are closing in on ourselves. The false narrative is that we will be free to trade with who we like - and that is true, just as we are free to trade with who we like now.
The UK has become a shrinking violet that is flying around powered by past glories. The seemingly now inevitable break up of our union will simply end up with England on its own snarling and swearing at its neighbours and puffing up its chest across the English Channel singing “Two world wars and one World Cup” at every passing European merchant vessel.
Nationalism is destroying everything that was good about this great nation of ours and like all forms of Nationalism it’s roots are in fear and ignorance.
In that case, your analogy doesn't stack up either. You talk about shouting over the garden fence at neighbours, but by wanting to remain, you want your neighbours to run and control your affairs, and control your purse strings, your neighbours will control your household bills, your neighbours will tell you who you can or can't invite into the house, and they will tell you when you can go out or when you have to stay in. You live in a house which you think is yours, but you have effectively become a prisoner in your own home. "
I'd hazard a guess if I googled some of that I'd hit up quite a few sites |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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" can I ask you Fabio have you got your Irish passport yet ?"
yes i did.... if it was good enough for farage to protect his kids eu futures by getting them german passports... then its good enough for me to protect my eu future by getting an irish one..... |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"A YouGov poll of Conservative Party members finds:
* 63 per cent would be prepared to see Scotland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 59 per cent would be prepared to see Northern Ireland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 54 per cent would accept the destruction of the Conservative Party to get Brexit
Only when it comes to the prospect of Mr Corbyn becoming PM do 51 per cent say they would give up on the idea.
These are the people electing the next PM, folks - people who would rather see the destruction of the UK than the destruction of their ideological dream.
Dynamite.
Quite staggering and begs the question as to just how mentally fucked up do you have to be to prefer that your country is torn apart over the question of our future relationship with our European Partners.
A Psychiatrist would have a field day with the issues arising over this. A strong, proud and confident Nation embraces partners and exerts influence through self-confidence and sheer positive energy. A weak, fearful and timid Nation is afraid of its neighbours and retreats into the security of its own fortress where it feels safe and secure.
What on Earth is going on????
Any qualified psychiatrist could just as easily turn that around the other way to say....
A strong, proud and confident nation embraces independence, sovereignty and self governance, and exerts influence through soft power in the world through bodies like the United nations and Nato. A weak, fearful and timid nation, is afraid of standing on its own two feet, and of making its own way in the world, and retreats into the comfort blanket of the EU, too scared to cut the apron strings of Brussels where it feels safe and secure.
Except that the issues at hand completely invalidate your analogy. Almost two thirds of the Conservatives polled would be happy to see their country broken up. Watching potential Conservative Leaders are now championing a course of action to make us as isolated as North Korea. People all over social media fret about Brexit having to happen at any cost. This is happening - this is fear and weakness and it is bonkers. The E.U. is a political and economic union and our closest neighbours (E.U. countries) will still be our best trading partners when we have left the E.U. despite us removing ourselves from the benefits of having an easy relationship with those same people. Now we want to be away from them and shout over the garden wall at them instead of working together with them.
The facts of the whole issue do not support your alternative analogy. We are running away because we can’t accept that others can be equal to us and because we do not have the diplomatic and national confidence to shape Europe’s future we are closing in on ourselves. The false narrative is that we will be free to trade with who we like - and that is true, just as we are free to trade with who we like now.
The UK has become a shrinking violet that is flying around powered by past glories. The seemingly now inevitable break up of our union will simply end up with England on its own snarling and swearing at its neighbours and puffing up its chest across the English Channel singing “Two world wars and one World Cup” at every passing European merchant vessel.
Nationalism is destroying everything that was good about this great nation of ours and like all forms of Nationalism it’s roots are in fear and ignorance.
In that case, your analogy doesn't stack up either. You talk about shouting over the garden fence at neighbours, but by wanting to remain, you want your neighbours to run and control your affairs, and control your purse strings, your neighbours will control your household bills, your neighbours will tell you who you can or can't invite into the house, and they will tell you when you can go out or when you have to stay in. You live in a house which you think is yours, but you have effectively become a prisoner in your own home. "
People who cooperate with others are not rules by them. You are caricaturing the very essence of the issue that is being discussed. You are not a prisoner, you are not controlled. If you had anything about you, you would exert your own positive influence instead of being fearful of it and seeing imaginary bogey men.
I am not answering any more of your posts anyway. I chose to ignore your other profile and I will be ignoring this one too. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"A YouGov poll of Conservative Party members finds:
* 63 per cent would be prepared to see Scotland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 59 per cent would be prepared to see Northern Ireland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 54 per cent would accept the destruction of the Conservative Party to get Brexit
Only when it comes to the prospect of Mr Corbyn becoming PM do 51 per cent say they would give up on the idea.
These are the people electing the next PM, folks - people who would rather see the destruction of the UK than the destruction of their ideological dream.
Dynamite.
Quite staggering and begs the question as to just how mentally fucked up do you have to be to prefer that your country is torn apart over the question of our future relationship with our European Partners.
A Psychiatrist would have a field day with the issues arising over this. A strong, proud and confident Nation embraces partners and exerts influence through self-confidence and sheer positive energy. A weak, fearful and timid Nation is afraid of its neighbours and retreats into the security of its own fortress where it feels safe and secure.
What on Earth is going on????
Any qualified psychiatrist could just as easily turn that around the other way to say....
A strong, proud and confident nation embraces independence, sovereignty and self governance, and exerts influence through soft power in the world through bodies like the United nations and Nato. A weak, fearful and timid nation, is afraid of standing on its own two feet, and of making its own way in the world, and retreats into the comfort blanket of the EU, too scared to cut the apron strings of Brussels where it feels safe and secure.
Except that the issues at hand completely invalidate your analogy. Almost two thirds of the Conservatives polled would be happy to see their country broken up. Watching potential Conservative Leaders are now championing a course of action to make us as isolated as North Korea. People all over social media fret about Brexit having to happen at any cost. This is happening - this is fear and weakness and it is bonkers. The E.U. is a political and economic union and our closest neighbours (E.U. countries) will still be our best trading partners when we have left the E.U. despite us removing ourselves from the benefits of having an easy relationship with those same people. Now we want to be away from them and shout over the garden wall at them instead of working together with them.
The facts of the whole issue do not support your alternative analogy. We are running away because we can’t accept that others can be equal to us and because we do not have the diplomatic and national confidence to shape Europe’s future we are closing in on ourselves. The false narrative is that we will be free to trade with who we like - and that is true, just as we are free to trade with who we like now.
The UK has become a shrinking violet that is flying around powered by past glories. The seemingly now inevitable break up of our union will simply end up with England on its own snarling and swearing at its neighbours and puffing up its chest across the English Channel singing “Two world wars and one World Cup” at every passing European merchant vessel.
Nationalism is destroying everything that was good about this great nation of ours and like all forms of Nationalism it’s roots are in fear and ignorance.
In that case, your analogy doesn't stack up either. You talk about shouting over the garden fence at neighbours, but by wanting to remain, you want your neighbours to run and control your affairs, and control your purse strings, your neighbours will control your household bills, your neighbours will tell you who you can or can't invite into the house, and they will tell you when you can go out or when you have to stay in. You live in a house which you think is yours, but you have effectively become a prisoner in your own home.
I'd hazard a guess if I googled some of that I'd hit up quite a few sites "
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Ok let's get rid of the torys and put labour in then the union will be saved. Don't think so NI no labour voters Scotland kicked out labour years ago, so NI and Scotland have to make a choice stay in the union or go cap in hand to the EU. Because tory or labour they are stuffed. Brexit or no Brexit. |
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"Cameron’s letter through ever letter box in the uk bob what was the cost 9 million ? Well spent lol
Which the Brexiteers are now holding up as proof that people knew they were voting for job losses.
Funny then that UK employment is at an all time record high, and unemployment is at the lowest levels since the 1970's, and in 2018 the UK attracted more foreign direct investment than Germany and France combined (source = Office for national statistics, ONS). "
Unemployment figures are manipulated to look better than what they are. Claiments being hit hard by sanctions aren't counted for example coupled with insecure, low paid zero hour contracts.
A jobs boon as in the 1970s it aint! Far from it in fact!
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"There will be no massive cost, BREXIT will happen and will be a success.
What are you all worried about, it's there above in black and white
And I don’t believe a word of it, utter claptrap!
Now I'm confused!!
All the doom and gloom being posted about BREXIT, is bollocks is what I’m saying. You only have to read what remoaners are posting on this thread. We will at last be EU free and all those twats are crying about it!"
So not only do you want to leave the EU, you also want to break up the UK, whilst breezily telling us that we will all get a free unicorn. You're talking bollocks as always |
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"Cameron’s letter through ever letter box in the uk bob what was the cost 9 million ? Well spent lol
Which the Brexiteers are now holding up as proof that people knew they were voting for job losses.
Funny then that UK employment is at an all time record high, and unemployment is at the lowest levels since the 1970's, and in 2018 the UK attracted more foreign direct investment than Germany and France combined (source = Office for national statistics, ONS). Dont let facts get in the way of scaremongering the remainers wont like it. "
Here's a fact: inward investment to the Uk has been declining every year since 2016. Making spurious comparisons with Germany is entirely irrelevant, I'm interested in our economy and investment into UK plc |
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"The mindset of the Brexiteer defies any logic or reason. It's why I am done with the argument.
The country they want back is not the country I want to live in.
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The Tory ultras are intent on creating a little England in the image of some long forgotten time of yore. Unfortunately for them, the arithmetic of parliament hasnt changed and the fatuous promises being made by the talentless fuckwits lining up to be PM is the stuff of illusion and delusion. |
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"Cameron’s letter through ever letter box in the uk bob what was the cost 9 million ? Well spent lol
Which the Brexiteers are now holding up as proof that people knew they were voting for job losses.
Funny then that UK employment is at an all time record high, and unemployment is at the lowest levels since the 1970's, and in 2018 the UK attracted more foreign direct investment than Germany and France combined (source = Office for national statistics, ONS). Dont let facts get in the way of scaremongering the remainers wont like it.
Here's a fact: inward investment to the Uk has been declining every year since 2016. Making spurious comparisons with Germany is entirely irrelevant, I'm interested in our economy and investment into UK plc"
Tbf 2016 was a huge spike. We're running at just over a 3rd of ore crisis investment. A little lower than Germany. But about average for an eu country.
As with most stats used by leavers it feels more like Brexit hasn't worsened things than Brexit has helped. |
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"A YouGov poll of Conservative Party members finds:
* 63 per cent would be prepared to see Scotland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 59 per cent would be prepared to see Northern Ireland leave the UK in order to get Brexit
* 54 per cent would accept the destruction of the Conservative Party to get Brexit
Only when it comes to the prospect of Mr Corbyn becoming PM do 51 per cent say they would give up on the idea.
These are the people electing the next PM, folks - people who would rather see the destruction of the UK than the destruction of their ideological dream.
Dynamite.
Quite staggering and begs the question as to just how mentally fucked up do you have to be to prefer that your country is torn apart over the question of our future relationship with our European Partners.
A Psychiatrist would have a field day with the issues arising over this. A strong, proud and confident Nation embraces partners and exerts influence through self-confidence and sheer positive energy. A weak, fearful and timid Nation is afraid of its neighbours and retreats into the security of its own fortress where it feels safe and secure.
What on Earth is going on????
Any qualified psychiatrist could just as easily turn that around the other way to say....
A strong, proud and confident nation embraces independence, sovereignty and self governance, and exerts influence through soft power in the world through bodies like the United nations and Nato. A weak, fearful and timid nation, is afraid of standing on its own two feet, and of making its own way in the world, and retreats into the comfort blanket of the EU, too scared to cut the apron strings of Brussels where it feels safe and secure.
Except that the issues at hand completely invalidate your analogy. Almost two thirds of the Conservatives polled would be happy to see their country broken up. Watching potential Conservative Leaders are now championing a course of action to make us as isolated as North Korea. People all over social media fret about Brexit having to happen at any cost. This is happening - this is fear and weakness and it is bonkers. The E.U. is a political and economic union and our closest neighbours (E.U. countries) will still be our best trading partners when we have left the E.U. despite us removing ourselves from the benefits of having an easy relationship with those same people. Now we want to be away from them and shout over the garden wall at them instead of working together with them.
The facts of the whole issue do not support your alternative analogy. We are running away because we can’t accept that others can be equal to us and because we do not have the diplomatic and national confidence to shape Europe’s future we are closing in on ourselves. The false narrative is that we will be free to trade with who we like - and that is true, just as we are free to trade with who we like now.
The UK has become a shrinking violet that is flying around powered by past glories. The seemingly now inevitable break up of our union will simply end up with England on its own snarling and swearing at its neighbours and puffing up its chest across the English Channel singing “Two world wars and one World Cup” at every passing European merchant vessel.
Nationalism is destroying everything that was good about this great nation of ours and like all forms of Nationalism it’s roots are in fear and ignorance.
In that case, your analogy doesn't stack up either. You talk about shouting over the garden fence at neighbours, but by wanting to remain, you want your neighbours to run and control your affairs, and control your purse strings, your neighbours will control your household bills, your neighbours will tell you who you can or can't invite into the house, and they will tell you when you can go out or when you have to stay in. You live in a house which you think is yours, but you have effectively become a prisoner in your own home. "
Bollocks
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The UK is a block of flats. We're on the same road as other flats.
We pay a small percentage of rent into a communuty fund. As a memeber of the community committee we help decide where this money is spent. Sometimes it is spent improving one of the flats. The idea is if all flats are a bit nicer then everyone benefits. Sometimes the money is spent on community wide polices.
We can also help decide rules we all live by say speed limits.
Controversially we allow people to move flats easily. While some are concerned this means everyone will move from bad flats to good flats, this hasn't really been the case. But it's a concern to some in the nicer flats.
However some people in the UK flats do work in the other flats. Havingeeasy access to these flats is a good thing for them.
There's also other organisations like neighbourhood watch we're a part of.
We don't like this arrangement so are changing the locks. And building gates around our part of the pavement. And now to get into another block of flats you have to pay a fee. That will reduce how much some people can earn.
But its worth it as we've stopped the risk of becoming over crowded (although we may have to let more people in from the street down the road to fill any current vacancies).
And there's no risk of a speed limit being set we don't like. Even though there's no big examples of this in the past. And we could veto any proposals we didn't like.
And those neighbourhood watch schemes. Chances are we're out. As we're not willing to pay for stuff weve committed to.
But least now it's very clear we are a seperate block of flats.
I think I've stretched it enough...
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A few rich men bankroll people being manipulated to want Brexit, so those few can prosper financially at your cost. The swivel eyed lot then embark upon as much collateral damage as they can, whilst doing their overlords bidding. Never has the little Englishman seemed quite so pathetic as a lap!dog, or a school fag errand sub. |
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Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities. |
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I would say the cult of brexit is similar to that of ISIS.
Like Isis this cult of brexit will lose in the end because it's utterly insane and illogical and based on lies .
But most of all you need to have faith in brexit and be a believer regardless of facts.
And now the extreme wing of the brexit cult has taken over the end is nigh. |
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"I would say the cult of brexit is similar to that of ISIS.
Like Isis this cult of brexit will lose in the end because it's utterly insane and illogical and based on lies .
But most of all you need to have faith in brexit and be a believer regardless of facts.
And now the extreme wing of the brexit cult has taken over the end is nigh. "
I agree it's ideology driven "like ISIS" lol but I do think we will Brexit but possibly may need a general election and the Brexit party gaining power. |
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"Fucking hell bob brexit is like isis yr going overboard now mate lol I said the leavers would ramp it up on here as it gets closer lol "
Yep the Conservative party is now a brexit cult full of zealots and extremists.
Its going to be a fun ride.
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities."
IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
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"It’s only a matter of time before the ya breaks up anyway the scots are on the verge of leaving "
Please don't think the snp talk for the whole of Scotland.
They poll about 40 % and the unionist vote is split over three other party's.
I campaign for Scotland to remain in the union, as 55% of the Scottish voters did in 2014.
Boris Johnson makes it extremely hard to keep Scots on side along with black and gay people. He will be a desaster at the polls. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
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Regrettably, ordinary English folk have an inglorious history of doffing their caps to the rich and to the elite - especially when rich, elitists promise poor people that the answers to all of their problems are very, very simple. In WW1 the bravest of all men on the front lines were the ordinary infantrymen who were led by an Officer Class qualified as Officer material for no other reason than they attended Private Schools and their Commission was purchased. The resulting catastrophe led to the infamous expression that British Tommy's were "Lions led by donkeys". The crowdfunded Group who have been responsible for holding leading (and Elitist) Brexiters to account have borrowed from that very lesson in history and called themselves "led by donkeys."
The CBI, Unions and big business are supporting the Remain camp because they are representing business interest infrastructure which is unarguably better in the EU. Brexit Elites like Farage, Rees Mogg and Johnson are millionaires with a personal agenda but their message of "simple solutions" resonates with people who don't want to have to think about complications.
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
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Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them."
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Regrettably, ordinary English folk have an inglorious history of doffing their caps to the rich and to the elite - especially when rich, elitists promise poor people that the answers to all of their problems are very, very simple. In WW1 the bravest of all men on the front lines were the ordinary infantrymen who were led by an Officer Class qualified as Officer material for no other reason than they attended Private Schools and their Commission was purchased. The resulting catastrophe led to the infamous expression that British Tommy's were "Lions led by donkeys". The crowdfunded Group who have been responsible for holding leading (and Elitist) Brexiters to account have borrowed from that very lesson in history and called themselves "led by donkeys."
The CBI, Unions and big business are supporting the Remain camp because they are representing business interest infrastructure which is unarguably better in the EU. Brexit Elites like Farage, Rees Mogg and Johnson are millionaires with a personal agenda but their message of "simple solutions" resonates with people who don't want to have to think about complications.
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The "lions led by donkeys" expression was aimed at the generals leading the war not the officers leading the men into battle, these officers were particularly targeted by the enemy to leave confusion amongst the ordinary soldiers, brave men indeed. So before you do brave men an injustice check your facts, the only donkey round here is you!  |
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them."
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them."
You are much too polite to say it.
I am not.
A lot of gullible people living in these islands.
Well, one really.
One lump of land.
They are getting rock fever.
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Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
You are much too polite to say it.
I am not.
A lot of gullible people living in these islands.
Well, one really.
One lump of land.
They are getting rock fever.
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"You do know that the simple solution to this is for England to leave the UK.
Or the UK to remove its territory known as England from EU jurisdiction."
Let’s have a referendum ...
England to leave the United Kingdom - yes or no.
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state! "
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over a year ago
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state! "
And I do not remember much from the communist times, and if it's so funny for you it shows how big ignorant you are. |
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over a year ago
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state! "
a state where there's a functioning police, schools, healthcare system is what we need.
Not these greedy selfish bastards leaving the country to fall apart, while feeding shite to mugs like you to keep them in power. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"You do know that the simple solution to this is for England to leave the UK.
Or the UK to remove its territory known as England from EU jurisdiction.
Let’s have a referendum ...
England to leave the United Kingdom - yes or no.
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Well, it appears people in England do not like political union or monetary union.
It appears the simplest fix. You want out? Adios. |
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
It is very sad that you do not understand anything and you are blinded by the ideology of Brexit "
You are blinded by anger because people voted differently to you, that's how a democracy works! |
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
a state where there's a functioning police, schools, healthcare system is what we need.
Not these greedy selfish bastards leaving the country to fall apart, while feeding shite to mugs like you to keep them in power. "
Lol, the last time I looked I in the mirror I didn't have a handle on my back! I have no leaning towards any political party unlike yourself who thinks that Jeremy and the Labour party is going to come and save us all! |
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
And I do not remember much from the communist times, and if it's so funny for you it shows how big ignorant you are. "
I was just pointing out locking people up in the loony bin or worse because you don't like their politics is the sort of thing they do in communist countries! |
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over a year ago
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
a state where there's a functioning police, schools, healthcare system is what we need.
Not these greedy selfish bastards leaving the country to fall apart, while feeding shite to mugs like you to keep them in power.
Lol, the last time I looked I in the mirror I didn't have a handle on my back! I have no leaning towards any political party unlike yourself who thinks that Jeremy and the Labour party is going to come and save us all! "
Go swallow more crap mug! |
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
a state where there's a functioning police, schools, healthcare system is what we need.
Not these greedy selfish bastards leaving the country to fall apart, while feeding shite to mugs like you to keep them in power.
Lol, the last time I looked I in the mirror I didn't have a handle on my back! I have no leaning towards any political party unlike yourself who thinks that Jeremy and the Labour party is going to come and save us all!
Go swallow more crap mug! "
I think you already swallowed it all! lol |
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over a year ago
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
It is very sad that you do not understand anything and you are blinded by the ideology of Brexit
You are blinded by anger because people voted differently to you, that's how a democracy works!"
No, I'm not blinded, I'm just realistic. Empty words about freedom washed the brains of the Brexiters . Do you think that under WTO law will be different? Do you have any idea what the WTO laws are? I daresay you have no idea. And I know how democracy work, don't worry about it. The referendum was not legally binding, it was opinion-forming. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
It is very sad that you do not understand anything and you are blinded by the ideology of Brexit
You are blinded by anger because people voted differently to you, that's how a democracy works!
No, I'm not blinded, I'm just realistic. Empty words about freedom washed the brains of the Brexiters . Do you think that under WTO law will be different? Do you have any idea what the WTO laws are? I daresay you have no idea. And I know how democracy work, don't worry about it. The referendum was not legally binding, it was opinion-forming. "
The referendum was binding when both parties stood on a mandate of honouring the referendum if people didnt want it they should have voted lib/dem as they said they were against it.No good crying now. |
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
It is very sad that you do not understand anything and you are blinded by the ideology of Brexit
You are blinded by anger because people voted differently to you, that's how a democracy works!
No, I'm not blinded, I'm just realistic. Empty words about freedom washed the brains of the Brexiters . Do you think that under WTO law will be different? Do you have any idea what the WTO laws are? I daresay you have no idea. And I know how democracy work, don't worry about it. The referendum was not legally binding, it was opinion-forming. "
Not really but then again I'm not a professor of every subject known to man, unlike the remainers on here who would have us believe they know everything!
If you know how a democracy works then you must realise the side with the most votes wins or did you forget that!? |
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
It is very sad that you do not understand anything and you are blinded by the ideology of Brexit
You are blinded by anger because people voted differently to you, that's how a democracy works!
No, I'm not blinded, I'm just realistic. Empty words about freedom washed the brains of the Brexiters . Do you think that under WTO law will be different? Do you have any idea what the WTO laws are? I daresay you have no idea. And I know how democracy work, don't worry about it. The referendum was not legally binding, it was opinion-forming. The referendum was binding when both parties stood on a mandate of honouring the referendum if people didnt want it they should have voted lib/dem as they said they were against it.No good crying now."
As if it were binding, it would be annulled by the court by lies told by farage and jonsnson. |
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
It is very sad that you do not understand anything and you are blinded by the ideology of Brexit
You are blinded by anger because people voted differently to you, that's how a democracy works!
No, I'm not blinded, I'm just realistic. Empty words about freedom washed the brains of the Brexiters . Do you think that under WTO law will be different? Do you have any idea what the WTO laws are? I daresay you have no idea. And I know how democracy work, don't worry about it. The referendum was not legally binding, it was opinion-forming.
Not really but then again I'm not a professor of every subject known to man, unlike the remainers on here who would have us believe they know everything!
If you know how a democracy works then you must realise the side with the most votes wins or did you forget that!?"
I know what Democracy is. Covering democracy with stupidity? I do not know what it is. Oh, I'm sorry, some people show it. And this is sad. It looks like you do not know what you voted for if you do not know how the WTO works |
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
It is very sad that you do not understand anything and you are blinded by the ideology of Brexit
You are blinded by anger because people voted differently to you, that's how a democracy works!
No, I'm not blinded, I'm just realistic. Empty words about freedom washed the brains of the Brexiters . Do you think that under WTO law will be different? Do you have any idea what the WTO laws are? I daresay you have no idea. And I know how democracy work, don't worry about it. The referendum was not legally binding, it was opinion-forming.
Not really but then again I'm not a professor of every subject known to man, unlike the remainers on here who would have us believe they know everything!
If you know how a democracy works then you must realise the side with the most votes wins or did you forget that!?
I know what Democracy is. Covering democracy with stupidity? I do not know what it is. Oh, I'm sorry, some people show it. And this is sad. It looks like you do not know what you voted for if you do not know how the WTO works"
I would say I know as much about WTO rules as you unless you are an expert in the field!?I voted to leave, simply as that the details of how we do it are down to the government, that's what we pay them for! |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
It is very sad that you do not understand anything and you are blinded by the ideology of Brexit
You are blinded by anger because people voted differently to you, that's how a democracy works!
No, I'm not blinded, I'm just realistic. Empty words about freedom washed the brains of the Brexiters . Do you think that under WTO law will be different? Do you have any idea what the WTO laws are? I daresay you have no idea. And I know how democracy work, don't worry about it. The referendum was not legally binding, it was opinion-forming. The referendum was binding when both parties stood on a mandate of honouring the referendum if people didnt want it they should have voted lib/dem as they said they were against it.No good crying now.
As if it were binding, it would be annulled by the court by lies told by farage and jonsnson. "
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
It is very sad that you do not understand anything and you are blinded by the ideology of Brexit
You are blinded by anger because people voted differently to you, that's how a democracy works!
No, I'm not blinded, I'm just realistic. Empty words about freedom washed the brains of the Brexiters . Do you think that under WTO law will be different? Do you have any idea what the WTO laws are? I daresay you have no idea. And I know how democracy work, don't worry about it. The referendum was not legally binding, it was opinion-forming.
Not really but then again I'm not a professor of every subject known to man, unlike the remainers on here who would have us believe they know everything!
If you know how a democracy works then you must realise the side with the most votes wins or did you forget that!?
I know what Democracy is. Covering democracy with stupidity? I do not know what it is. Oh, I'm sorry, some people show it. And this is sad. It looks like you do not know what you voted for if you do not know how the WTO works
I would say I know as much about WTO rules as you unless you are an expert in the field!?I voted to leave, simply as that the details of how we do it are down to the government, that's what we pay them for! "
I am not an expert but I have studied micro and macro economics for 4 years. During that time I also studied law and WTO regulations. So I think I know more about WTO and economics than you. You voted for leave because you did not know what it meant, like most voters for leave. |
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
It is very sad that you do not understand anything and you are blinded by the ideology of Brexit
You are blinded by anger because people voted differently to you, that's how a democracy works!
No, I'm not blinded, I'm just realistic. Empty words about freedom washed the brains of the Brexiters . Do you think that under WTO law will be different? Do you have any idea what the WTO laws are? I daresay you have no idea. And I know how democracy work, don't worry about it. The referendum was not legally binding, it was opinion-forming. The referendum was binding when both parties stood on a mandate of honouring the referendum if people didnt want it they should have voted lib/dem as they said they were against it.No good crying now."
don't mention the manifestos... The ones which mentioned deals of one kind or another... It may invalidate any point your trying to make that no deal was ever something we voted for... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
It is very sad that you do not understand anything and you are blinded by the ideology of Brexit
You are blinded by anger because people voted differently to you, that's how a democracy works!
No, I'm not blinded, I'm just realistic. Empty words about freedom washed the brains of the Brexiters . Do you think that under WTO law will be different? Do you have any idea what the WTO laws are? I daresay you have no idea. And I know how democracy work, don't worry about it. The referendum was not legally binding, it was opinion-forming. The referendum was binding when both parties stood on a mandate of honouring the referendum if people didnt want it they should have voted lib/dem as they said they were against it.No good crying now.don't mention the manifestos... The ones which mentioned deals of one kind or another... It may invalidate any point your trying to make that no deal was ever something we voted for... "
I think you will find they said they will not actively seek a no deal but that did not discount it.i think after 3 years of seeking a deal which no one can agree on they have fulfilled that. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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You are giving up on the best deal.
There isn't a better deal.
Only degrees of being worse off.
That's why no-one wants it.
Because it is not the cake-and-eat-it that was promised in 2016.
The cake tastes like horseshit.
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
It is very sad that you do not understand anything and you are blinded by the ideology of Brexit
You are blinded by anger because people voted differently to you, that's how a democracy works!
No, I'm not blinded, I'm just realistic. Empty words about freedom washed the brains of the Brexiters . Do you think that under WTO law will be different? Do you have any idea what the WTO laws are? I daresay you have no idea. And I know how democracy work, don't worry about it. The referendum was not legally binding, it was opinion-forming. The referendum was binding when both parties stood on a mandate of honouring the referendum if people didnt want it they should have voted lib/dem as they said they were against it.No good crying now.don't mention the manifestos... The ones which mentioned deals of one kind or another... It may invalidate any point your trying to make that no deal was ever something we voted for... I think you will find they said they will not actively seek a no deal but that did not discount it.i think after 3 years of seeking a deal which no one can agree on they have fulfilled that. "
May found a deal... And one which fulfilled their promises..
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
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Englands went nuts. I voted stay in the union a few years ago. If I knew then what I know now I'd have voted for independence.
Mr and Mrs England enjoy your party for 2 in the world...we are offski. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
It's like England did not like being a little fish on a big pond in Europe.
Whereas it likes being a big fish in the little UK pond.
The EU is ten times bigger than the UK, which is ten times bigger than Scotland.
The bullying by the EU that they are wont to complain is just a mirror of what they do themselves.
Thing is, they may end up very lonely swimming in an ever decreasing pond. |
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"Englands went nuts. I voted stay in the union a few years ago. If I knew then what I know now I'd have voted for independence.
Mr and Mrs England enjoy your party for 2 in the world...we are offski."
I don't blame Scotland for wanting to go independent and wanting to stay in the EU. Maybe we couple move to Scotland and still be a EU citizen. |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
A Home Among The Woodland Creatures |
"There will be no massive cost, BREXIT will happen and will be a success."
Feel free to explain in what ways it will be a success.
Give details - and sources
I'm genuinely willing to have my mind changed |
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By *obletonMan
over a year ago
A Home Among The Woodland Creatures |
"No longer the one nation "Conservative and UNIONIST" party then.
The Conservative Party really needs to take a long, hard look at its self. It's no longer the party of business; it's no longer the party of Unionism, it's no longer the party of parliamentary democracy; it's no longer the party for Europe; it's no longer the party for trade, it's no longer the party of meritocracy; it's no longer the party of opportunity. Apart from English Nationalism, what is it the party for now? Pitt, Peal and Churchill must flipping somersaults in their graves.
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and Thatcher too - despite the fact that history has apparently been revised to expunge her strongly pro EU beleifs from the record.
I find it ironic that - as someone just an inch or two left of centre - I have to agree that one of the few things Thatcher got right was her key role as both the architect of Britain's relationship with the EU and her role in shaping the EU istelf.
Ironically all those things she did for us and the EU are the things that Gammonistas absolutely HATE about the EU - yet they still love her.
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Regrettably, ordinary English folk have an inglorious history of doffing their caps to the rich and to the elite - especially when rich, elitists promise poor people that the answers to all of their problems are very, very simple. In WW1 the bravest of all men on the front lines were the ordinary infantrymen who were led by an Officer Class qualified as Officer material for no other reason than they attended Private Schools and their Commission was purchased. The resulting catastrophe led to the infamous expression that British Tommy's were "Lions led by donkeys". The crowdfunded Group who have been responsible for holding leading (and Elitist) Brexiters to account have borrowed from that very lesson in history and called themselves "led by donkeys."
The CBI, Unions and big business are supporting the Remain camp because they are representing business interest infrastructure which is unarguably better in the EU. Brexit Elites like Farage, Rees Mogg and Johnson are millionaires with a personal agenda but their message of "simple solutions" resonates with people who don't want to have to think about complications.
The "lions led by donkeys" expression was aimed at the generals leading the war not the officers leading the men into battle, these officers were particularly targeted by the enemy to leave confusion amongst the ordinary soldiers, brave men indeed. So before you do brave men an injustice check your facts, the only donkey round here is you! "
Actually, the phrase pre-dates WW1 |
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
It is very sad that you do not understand anything and you are blinded by the ideology of Brexit
You are blinded by anger because people voted differently to you, that's how a democracy works!
No, I'm not blinded, I'm just realistic. Empty words about freedom washed the brains of the Brexiters . Do you think that under WTO law will be different? Do you have any idea what the WTO laws are? I daresay you have no idea. And I know how democracy work, don't worry about it. The referendum was not legally binding, it was opinion-forming.
Not really but then again I'm not a professor of every subject known to man, unlike the remainers on here who would have us believe they know everything!
If you know how a democracy works then you must realise the side with the most votes wins or did you forget that!?"
Democracy is a set of processes, not a one off event. Given that the brextremists dont want parliament to have a say and would happily prorogue parliament, I think that tells us all we need to know about the commitment of tossers like Raab and BoJo to democracy |
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Did I write about the people who voted? Poor or rich is no different. I wrote about people who rule the country. I wrote about the Tory deputies who are obsessed with brexit, they are ready to destroy the country for power. If they do not care about the future of the country and people, they are mentally ill. They should be locked up in a mental institution. Farage and his fans along with them.
Sounds like you would be at home in a communist state!
It is very sad that you do not understand anything and you are blinded by the ideology of Brexit
You are blinded by anger because people voted differently to you, that's how a democracy works!
No, I'm not blinded, I'm just realistic. Empty words about freedom washed the brains of the Brexiters . Do you think that under WTO law will be different? Do you have any idea what the WTO laws are? I daresay you have no idea. And I know how democracy work, don't worry about it. The referendum was not legally binding, it was opinion-forming.
Not really but then again I'm not a professor of every subject known to man, unlike the remainers on here who would have us believe they know everything!
If you know how a democracy works then you must realise the side with the most votes wins or did you forget that!?
I know what Democracy is. Covering democracy with stupidity? I do not know what it is. Oh, I'm sorry, some people show it. And this is sad. It looks like you do not know what you voted for if you do not know how the WTO works
I would say I know as much about WTO rules as you unless you are an expert in the field!?I voted to leave, simply as that the details of how we do it are down to the government, that's what we pay them for!
I am not an expert but I have studied micro and macro economics for 4 years. During that time I also studied law and WTO regulations. So I think I know more about WTO and economics than you. You voted for leave because you did not know what it meant, like most voters for leave."
Surprise, surprise another know it all remainer, if it makes you feel good about yourself then you know more than me!But as I previously stated I wasn't doing the negotiating so that was down to the government so no issue there.
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Regrettably, ordinary English folk have an inglorious history of doffing their caps to the rich and to the elite - especially when rich, elitists promise poor people that the answers to all of their problems are very, very simple. In WW1 the bravest of all men on the front lines were the ordinary infantrymen who were led by an Officer Class qualified as Officer material for no other reason than they attended Private Schools and their Commission was purchased. The resulting catastrophe led to the infamous expression that British Tommy's were "Lions led by donkeys". The crowdfunded Group who have been responsible for holding leading (and Elitist) Brexiters to account have borrowed from that very lesson in history and called themselves "led by donkeys."
The CBI, Unions and big business are supporting the Remain camp because they are representing business interest infrastructure which is unarguably better in the EU. Brexit Elites like Farage, Rees Mogg and Johnson are millionaires with a personal agenda but their message of "simple solutions" resonates with people who don't want to have to think about complications.
The "lions led by donkeys" expression was aimed at the generals leading the war not the officers leading the men into battle, these officers were particularly targeted by the enemy to leave confusion amongst the ordinary soldiers, brave men indeed. So before you do brave men an injustice check your facts, the only donkey round here is you!
Actually, the phrase pre-dates WW1"
Whether it was used pre WW1 doesn't matter does it, it's the context it was used in during that conflict.It was not aimed at all officers like the poster made out but at the men at the top. |
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over a year ago
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Regrettably, ordinary English folk have an inglorious history of doffing their caps to the rich and to the elite - especially when rich, elitists promise poor people that the answers to all of their problems are very, very simple. In WW1 the bravest of all men on the front lines were the ordinary infantrymen who were led by an Officer Class qualified as Officer material for no other reason than they attended Private Schools and their Commission was purchased. The resulting catastrophe led to the infamous expression that British Tommy's were "Lions led by donkeys". The crowdfunded Group who have been responsible for holding leading (and Elitist) Brexiters to account have borrowed from that very lesson in history and called themselves "led by donkeys."
The CBI, Unions and big business are supporting the Remain camp because they are representing business interest infrastructure which is unarguably better in the EU. Brexit Elites like Farage, Rees Mogg and Johnson are millionaires with a personal agenda but their message of "simple solutions" resonates with people who don't want to have to think about complications.
The "lions led by donkeys" expression was aimed at the generals leading the war not the officers leading the men into battle, these officers were particularly targeted by the enemy to leave confusion amongst the ordinary soldiers, brave men indeed. So before you do brave men an injustice check your facts, the only donkey round here is you! "
A General is a senior officer right? Why are you so desperate to be accusatory? OK I should have clearer and made the distinction between junior officers (who I am aware suffered more casualties pro rata than any other group) and senior officers. The essence is the same the senior officers are the Rees Moggs, the Farage’s and the ERG lunatics.
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Regrettably, ordinary English folk have an inglorious history of doffing their caps to the rich and to the elite - especially when rich, elitists promise poor people that the answers to all of their problems are very, very simple. In WW1 the bravest of all men on the front lines were the ordinary infantrymen who were led by an Officer Class qualified as Officer material for no other reason than they attended Private Schools and their Commission was purchased. The resulting catastrophe led to the infamous expression that British Tommy's were "Lions led by donkeys". The crowdfunded Group who have been responsible for holding leading (and Elitist) Brexiters to account have borrowed from that very lesson in history and called themselves "led by donkeys."
The CBI, Unions and big business are supporting the Remain camp because they are representing business interest infrastructure which is unarguably better in the EU. Brexit Elites like Farage, Rees Mogg and Johnson are millionaires with a personal agenda but their message of "simple solutions" resonates with people who don't want to have to think about complications.
The "lions led by donkeys" expression was aimed at the generals leading the war not the officers leading the men into battle, these officers were particularly targeted by the enemy to leave confusion amongst the ordinary soldiers, brave men indeed. So before you do brave men an injustice check your facts, the only donkey round here is you!
A General is a senior officer right? Why are you so desperate to be accusatory? OK I should have clearer and made the distinction between junior officers (who I am aware suffered more casualties pro rata than any other group) and senior officers. The essence is the same the senior officers are the Rees Moggs, the Farage’s and the ERG lunatics.
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At what point did you mention "senior" officers in your post, the term used was "officer class" no distinction was made between junior and senior officers!? Nice try at back tracking though!
Your attempt to compare brexit and the WW1 was just cheap sensationalism and a disservice to many brave men, you should hang your head in shame! |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Regrettably, ordinary English folk have an inglorious history of doffing their caps to the rich and to the elite - especially when rich, elitists promise poor people that the answers to all of their problems are very, very simple. In WW1 the bravest of all men on the front lines were the ordinary infantrymen who were led by an Officer Class qualified as Officer material for no other reason than they attended Private Schools and their Commission was purchased. The resulting catastrophe led to the infamous expression that British Tommy's were "Lions led by donkeys". The crowdfunded Group who have been responsible for holding leading (and Elitist) Brexiters to account have borrowed from that very lesson in history and called themselves "led by donkeys."
The CBI, Unions and big business are supporting the Remain camp because they are representing business interest infrastructure which is unarguably better in the EU. Brexit Elites like Farage, Rees Mogg and Johnson are millionaires with a personal agenda but their message of "simple solutions" resonates with people who don't want to have to think about complications.
The "lions led by donkeys" expression was aimed at the generals leading the war not the officers leading the men into battle, these officers were particularly targeted by the enemy to leave confusion amongst the ordinary soldiers, brave men indeed. So before you do brave men an injustice check your facts, the only donkey round here is you!
A General is a senior officer right? Why are you so desperate to be accusatory? OK I should have clearer and made the distinction between junior officers (who I am aware suffered more casualties pro rata than any other group) and senior officers. The essence is the same the senior officers are the Rees Moggs, the Farage’s and the ERG lunatics.
At what point did you mention "senior" officers in your post, the term used was "officer class" no distinction was made between junior and senior officers!? Nice try at back tracking though!
Your attempt to compare brexit and the WW1 was just cheap sensationalism and a disservice to many brave men, you should hang your head in shame! "
Grow up for goodness sake. As I said in my reply “OK, I should have made it clearer...” i was at Sandhurst on an SMC in the early 1980’s and I am very familiar with the losses endured by junior office compared to the losses of donkeys.
I have zero need to hang my head in shame, but perhaps you should just try to understand why your outrage and excitability is evidently overcoming you recently - not just on this thread - but others.
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Regrettably, ordinary English folk have an inglorious history of doffing their caps to the rich and to the elite - especially when rich, elitists promise poor people that the answers to all of their problems are very, very simple. In WW1 the bravest of all men on the front lines were the ordinary infantrymen who were led by an Officer Class qualified as Officer material for no other reason than they attended Private Schools and their Commission was purchased. The resulting catastrophe led to the infamous expression that British Tommy's were "Lions led by donkeys". The crowdfunded Group who have been responsible for holding leading (and Elitist) Brexiters to account have borrowed from that very lesson in history and called themselves "led by donkeys."
The CBI, Unions and big business are supporting the Remain camp because they are representing business interest infrastructure which is unarguably better in the EU. Brexit Elites like Farage, Rees Mogg and Johnson are millionaires with a personal agenda but their message of "simple solutions" resonates with people who don't want to have to think about complications.
The "lions led by donkeys" expression was aimed at the generals leading the war not the officers leading the men into battle, these officers were particularly targeted by the enemy to leave confusion amongst the ordinary soldiers, brave men indeed. So before you do brave men an injustice check your facts, the only donkey round here is you!
A General is a senior officer right? Why are you so desperate to be accusatory? OK I should have clearer and made the distinction between junior officers (who I am aware suffered more casualties pro rata than any other group) and senior officers. The essence is the same the senior officers are the Rees Moggs, the Farage’s and the ERG lunatics.
At what point did you mention "senior" officers in your post, the term used was "officer class" no distinction was made between junior and senior officers!? Nice try at back tracking though!
Your attempt to compare brexit and the WW1 was just cheap sensationalism and a disservice to many brave men, you should hang your head in shame!
Grow up for goodness sake. As I said in my reply “OK, I should have made it clearer...” i was at Sandhurst on an SMC in the early 1980’s and I am very familiar with the losses endured by junior office compared to the losses of donkeys.
I have zero need to hang my head in shame, but perhaps you should just try to understand why your outrage and excitability is evidently overcoming you recently - not just on this thread - but others.
Calm down "
Lol, the hot tub has finally cooked your brain! Another good attempt to divert from your faux pas so why did you make the comparison with the two events in the first place (ok I know you were stealing someone elses idea!), people who on numerous treads you have called thick racist scum etc etc you now want to compare with war heros, a strange comparison to make!? |
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Regrettably, ordinary English folk have an inglorious history of doffing their caps to the rich and to the elite - especially when rich, elitists promise poor people that the answers to all of their problems are very, very simple. In WW1 the bravest of all men on the front lines were the ordinary infantrymen who were led by an Officer Class qualified as Officer material for no other reason than they attended Private Schools and their Commission was purchased. The resulting catastrophe led to the infamous expression that British Tommy's were "Lions led by donkeys". The crowdfunded Group who have been responsible for holding leading (and Elitist) Brexiters to account have borrowed from that very lesson in history and called themselves "led by donkeys."
The CBI, Unions and big business are supporting the Remain camp because they are representing business interest infrastructure which is unarguably better in the EU. Brexit Elites like Farage, Rees Mogg and Johnson are millionaires with a personal agenda but their message of "simple solutions" resonates with people who don't want to have to think about complications.
The "lions led by donkeys" expression was aimed at the generals leading the war not the officers leading the men into battle, these officers were particularly targeted by the enemy to leave confusion amongst the ordinary soldiers, brave men indeed. So before you do brave men an injustice check your facts, the only donkey round here is you!
A General is a senior officer right? Why are you so desperate to be accusatory? OK I should have clearer and made the distinction between junior officers (who I am aware suffered more casualties pro rata than any other group) and senior officers. The essence is the same the senior officers are the Rees Moggs, the Farage’s and the ERG lunatics.
At what point did you mention "senior" officers in your post, the term used was "officer class" no distinction was made between junior and senior officers!? Nice try at back tracking though!
Your attempt to compare brexit and the WW1 was just cheap sensationalism and a disservice to many brave men, you should hang your head in shame!
Grow up for goodness sake. As I said in my reply “OK, I should have made it clearer...” i was at Sandhurst on an SMC in the early 1980’s and I am very familiar with the losses endured by junior office compared to the losses of donkeys.
I have zero need to hang my head in shame, but perhaps you should just try to understand why your outrage and excitability is evidently overcoming you recently - not just on this thread - but others.
Calm down
Lol, the hot tub has finally cooked your brain! Another good attempt to divert from your faux pas so why did you make the comparison with the two events in the first place (ok I know you were stealing someone elses idea!), people who on numerous treads you have called thick racist scum etc etc you now want to compare with war heros, a strange comparison to make!?"
As was said very, very clearly in the original post. Ordinary Brits have a sad history of doffing their caps to aristocrats. Lions led by donkeys came from WW1, led by donkeys in very much of the moment.
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"Beautiful evolution of views. Brexiters started with "if we leave the EU it will be better". Then it was "will be the same or maybe a little worse for some time". Now, we've come to "we're not interested that it will be really bad." At this stage Brexit should probably be considered in the context of religion and not politics. Most politicians who want brexit at all costs are rich people and they do not care about the fate of the country and normal people and future generations. Tory will do anything for the authorities.IIf as you say it's the rich then how come the CBI rich man union, banks and most of high earners in London want us to remain. Funny how it's the poor that are voting Brexit, makes you wonder why.
Regrettably, ordinary English folk have an inglorious history of doffing their caps to the rich and to the elite - especially when rich, elitists promise poor people that the answers to all of their problems are very, very simple. In WW1 the bravest of all men on the front lines were the ordinary infantrymen who were led by an Officer Class qualified as Officer material for no other reason than they attended Private Schools and their Commission was purchased. The resulting catastrophe led to the infamous expression that British Tommy's were "Lions led by donkeys". The crowdfunded Group who have been responsible for holding leading (and Elitist) Brexiters to account have borrowed from that very lesson in history and called themselves "led by donkeys."
The CBI, Unions and big business are supporting the Remain camp because they are representing business interest infrastructure which is unarguably better in the EU. Brexit Elites like Farage, Rees Mogg and Johnson are millionaires with a personal agenda but their message of "simple solutions" resonates with people who don't want to have to think about complications.
The "lions led by donkeys" expression was aimed at the generals leading the war not the officers leading the men into battle, these officers were particularly targeted by the enemy to leave confusion amongst the ordinary soldiers, brave men indeed. So before you do brave men an injustice check your facts, the only donkey round here is you!
A General is a senior officer right? Why are you so desperate to be accusatory? OK I should have clearer and made the distinction between junior officers (who I am aware suffered more casualties pro rata than any other group) and senior officers. The essence is the same the senior officers are the Rees Moggs, the Farage’s and the ERG lunatics.
At what point did you mention "senior" officers in your post, the term used was "officer class" no distinction was made between junior and senior officers!? Nice try at back tracking though!
Your attempt to compare brexit and the WW1 was just cheap sensationalism and a disservice to many brave men, you should hang your head in shame!
Grow up for goodness sake. As I said in my reply “OK, I should have made it clearer...” i was at Sandhurst on an SMC in the early 1980’s and I am very familiar with the losses endured by junior office compared to the losses of donkeys.
I have zero need to hang my head in shame, but perhaps you should just try to understand why your outrage and excitability is evidently overcoming you recently - not just on this thread - but others.
Calm down
Lol, the hot tub has finally cooked your brain! Another good attempt to divert from your faux pas so why did you make the comparison with the two events in the first place (ok I know you were stealing someone elses idea!), people who on numerous treads you have called thick racist scum etc etc you now want to compare with war heros, a strange comparison to make!?
As was said very, very clearly in the original post. Ordinary Brits have a sad history of doffing their caps to aristocrats. Lions led by donkeys came from WW1, led by donkeys in very much of the moment.
You are welcome to now have the last word. I won’t be responding further to you. "
The men who enlisted were there out of patriotism, nothing whatsoever to do with doffing their caps, your original post was ill judged and poorly worded like so much of what you post on the site!
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over a year ago
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In order to leave on October 31, with or without an agreement, a number of regulations and pieces of legislation need to be approved.
In Northern Ireland, in the absence of the executive, the civil service has no authority to enact the legislation required.
So a direct consequence of proceeding to a no-deal exit will be the imposition of Direct Rule on Northern Ireland - it is the only way to empower the civil service to act.
I hope you are all ready for the consequences of that.
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"I love the way they complain that only a handful of people are electing the next PM when they had the same opportunity as them just didnt bother.
Nobody elects a PM in this country.
The Queen appoints an MP (or in theory a Lord) she believes can command a majority in the House
Many a slip twixt cup and lip."
I wonder if she’d dare say no ...... |
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"In order to leave on October 31, with or without an agreement, a number of regulations and pieces of legislation need to be approved.
In Northern Ireland, in the absence of the executive, the civil service has no authority to enact the legislation required.
So a direct consequence of proceeding to a no-deal exit will be the imposition of Direct Rule on Northern Ireland - it is the only way to empower the civil service to act.
I hope you are all ready for the consequences of that.
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The Brextremists don't care about any of the consequences of a No Deal and never have. The consequences for NI were pointed out endlessly prior to the referendum and the Brexiteers were clear even then that they didnt give shit. The DUP must be chuffed to bits though |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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New Panelbase survey in Scotland puts the Yes vote on 49% and the No vote on 51%.
The Yes vote rises to 53% under a Johnson premiership. He is even less popular in Scotland than Farage. |
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"New Panelbase survey in Scotland puts the Yes vote on 49% and the No vote on 51%.
The Yes vote rises to 53% under a Johnson premiership. He is even less popular in Scotland than Farage."
Even the Scottish tory MP's, a right band of nutters and misfits, decided that a Johnson premiership could wipe them out north of the border. Their campaign to stop Johnson, which they called project arse, seems to have been as ineffective as they themselves are. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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More survey results of Tory Party members.
Two-thirds believe Sharia Law no-go areas exist in Britain and almost half would object to a Muslim becoming PM.
This is the demographic appointing the next PM for 65 million people. |
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"I wonder if she’d dare say no ......"
She wouldn't. Her firm would lose everything if she did. She knows her place.
She's head of state on the understanding she remains apolitical - and she's very good at it.
She does what she's required to do. Not what she wants. |
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"More survey results of Tory Party members.
Two-thirds believe Sharia Law no-go areas exist in Britain and almost half would object to a Muslim becoming PM.
This is the demographic appointing the next PM for 65 million people."
That's quite shocking that conservatives are that ignorant.They live in their own bubble of stupidity.Is it plain old prejudices or lack of education and ignorance??? |
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""The Fall of Great Britain"
I can see the books on sale in the years to come.
This is the era we are entering."
Only if people like yourself (remoaners) keep trying to deny the result of a democratic vote.
Clearly remoaners don’t believe in democracy, otherwise they would just accept the fact we are leaving.
Parliament are not doing the job they are paid to do - represent the will of the people.
Can’t wait for BoJo to close parliament down, force all MPs to accept democracy. If not our democracy is broken, nonexistent and isn’t legitimate anymore.
Failure to provide Brexit will result in more damage to the economy than a no deal. Reason pound is at a low is due to Brexit uncertainty NOT a no deal. |
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""The Fall of Great Britain"
I can see the books on sale in the years to come.
This is the era we are entering.
Only if people like yourself (remoaners) keep trying to deny the result of a democratic vote.
Clearly remoaners don’t believe in democracy, otherwise they would just accept the fact we are leaving.
Parliament are not doing the job they are paid to do - represent the will of the people.
Can’t wait for BoJo to close parliament down, force all MPs to accept democracy. If not our democracy is broken, nonexistent and isn’t legitimate anymore.
Failure to provide Brexit will result in more damage to the economy than a no deal. Reason pound is at a low is due to Brexit uncertainty NOT a no deal. "
Democracy is achieved by preventing MP's from doing their job?
It's not clear will of the people is for a no deal Brexit. Only TBP have stood on such a mandate. From the leave campaign to the tory and Labour manifestos, we have only been promised a deal.
MPs therefore have a duty to agree a deal. If this can't be done, it is not clear what their default alternative is.
Certainly I haven't seen any polls etc which show no deal would beat remain... Even those shared by Brexiteers. |
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""The Fall of Great Britain"
I can see the books on sale in the years to come.
This is the era we are entering.
Only if people like yourself (remoaners) keep trying to deny the result of a democratic vote.
Clearly remoaners don’t believe in democracy, otherwise they would just accept the fact we are leaving.
Parliament are not doing the job they are paid to do - represent the will of the people.
Can’t wait for BoJo to close parliament down, force all MPs to accept democracy. If not our democracy is broken, nonexistent and isn’t legitimate anymore.
Failure to provide Brexit will result in more damage to the economy than a no deal. Reason pound is at a low is due to Brexit uncertainty NOT a no deal. "
The obscenity of one person closing down the sovereign governing body to do what he wants and then trying to say its democracy..
It's what Hitler did just so you know..
Is that what leavers meant when they voted to take back control?
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over a year ago
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""The Fall of Great Britain"
I can see the books on sale in the years to come.
This is the era we are entering.
Only if people like yourself (remoaners) keep trying to deny the result of a democratic vote.
Clearly remoaners don’t believe in democracy, otherwise they would just accept the fact we are leaving.
Parliament are not doing the job they are paid to do - represent the will of the people.
Can’t wait for BoJo to close parliament down, force all MPs to accept democracy. If not our democracy is broken, nonexistent and isn’t legitimate anymore.
Failure to provide Brexit will result in more damage to the economy than a no deal. Reason pound is at a low is due to Brexit uncertainty NOT a no deal. "
Lolol your post about democracy is full of contradictions.
Parliament is waiting for the Brexiteers to deliver what they promised in 2016 - that we would move from the existing arrangement to something better.
Where is it? |
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""The Fall of Great Britain"
I can see the books on sale in the years to come.
This is the era we are entering.
Only if people like yourself (remoaners) keep trying to deny the result of a democratic vote.
Clearly remoaners don’t believe in democracy, otherwise they would just accept the fact we are leaving.
Parliament are not doing the job they are paid to do - represent the will of the people.
Can’t wait for BoJo to close parliament down, force all MPs to accept democracy. If not our democracy is broken, nonexistent and isn’t legitimate anymore.
Failure to provide Brexit will result in more damage to the economy than a no deal. Reason pound is at a low is due to Brexit uncertainty NOT a no deal. "
Dude you win the internet today .
Did you even read what you typed... |
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If your going to do stats... do them right ...
its actually 0.2% of the population
Which obviously doesn't sound nearly as terrible as 0.02%, but is actually a lot lot better than when Gordon Brown was "elected" PM by ... 0.000001% of the population... that's right... elected by 1 person, Mr T Blair.
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"If your going to do stats... do them right ...
its actually 0.2% of the population
Which obviously doesn't sound nearly as terrible as 0.02%, but is actually a lot lot better than when Gordon Brown was "elected" PM by ... 0.000001% of the population... that's right... elected by 1 person, Mr T Blair.
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I don't think it's really that relevant whether the PM is elected by 0.000001%, 0.02%. 0.05% or 0.2%. What matters is the mandate the party they represent is not changed significantly. The mandate the Conservatives where elected on was to Leave the EU with a deal better than we currently have. Johnson's plan to Leave without a deal is not inline with that original mandate. As such, to gain a mandate for his plan, he should put it back to the country either in a referendum or a general election.
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"If your going to do stats... do them right ...
its actually 0.2% of the population
Which obviously doesn't sound nearly as terrible as 0.02%, but is actually a lot lot better than when Gordon Brown was "elected" PM by ... 0.000001% of the population... that's right... elected by 1 person, Mr T Blair.
I don't think it's really that relevant whether the PM is elected by 0.000001%, 0.02%. 0.05% or 0.2%. What matters is the mandate the party they represent is not changed significantly. The mandate the Conservatives where elected on was to Leave the EU with a deal better than we currently have. Johnson's plan to Leave without a deal is not inline with that original mandate. As such, to gain a mandate for his plan, he should put it back to the country either in a referendum or a general election.
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Is that his actual plan? what else has he said around the whole issue of leaving... he talked about it during his candidacy launch, and talked about it again last night.
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"If your going to do stats... do them right ...
its actually 0.2% of the population
Which obviously doesn't sound nearly as terrible as 0.02%, but is actually a lot lot better than when Gordon Brown was "elected" PM by ... 0.000001% of the population... that's right... elected by 1 person, Mr T Blair.
I don't think it's really that relevant whether the PM is elected by 0.000001%, 0.02%. 0.05% or 0.2%. What matters is the mandate the party they represent is not changed significantly. The mandate the Conservatives where elected on was to Leave the EU with a deal better than we currently have. Johnson's plan to Leave without a deal is not inline with that original mandate. As such, to gain a mandate for his plan, he should put it back to the country either in a referendum or a general election.
Is that his actual plan? what else has he said around the whole issue of leaving... he talked about it during his candidacy launch, and talked about it again last night.
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The only Leave that fulfills the 2017 general election mandate is leaving with a deal better than we currently have. If Johnson can get that deal then he can claim a mandate (in my opinion a rather tenuous mandate) and leave with that deal. Anything else, whether it's 'no deal' or 'no BREXIT' has no mandate either from the 2017 general election or the 2016 referendum.
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"If your going to do stats... do them right ...
its actually 0.2% of the population
Which obviously doesn't sound nearly as terrible as 0.02%, but is actually a lot lot better than when Gordon Brown was "elected" PM by ... 0.000001% of the population... that's right... elected by 1 person, Mr T Blair.
I don't think it's really that relevant whether the PM is elected by 0.000001%, 0.02%. 0.05% or 0.2%. What matters is the mandate the party they represent is not changed significantly. The mandate the Conservatives where elected on was to Leave the EU with a deal better than we currently have. Johnson's plan to Leave without a deal is not inline with that original mandate. As such, to gain a mandate for his plan, he should put it back to the country either in a referendum or a general election.
Is that his actual plan? what else has he said around the whole issue of leaving... he talked about it during his candidacy launch, and talked about it again last night.
The only Leave that fulfills the 2017 general election mandate is leaving with a deal better than we currently have. If Johnson can get that deal then he can claim a mandate (in my opinion a rather tenuous mandate) and leave with that deal. Anything else, whether it's 'no deal' or 'no BREXIT' has no mandate either from the 2017 general election or the 2016 referendum.
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the 2017 GE was a second referendum?
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Whether it is 0.2 or 0.02 is the same as arguing if it is 350 million or 180 million.
One is a very small number, one is a very big number.
(I am getting the hang of this now - numbers)
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"If your going to do stats... do them right ...
its actually 0.2% of the population
Which obviously doesn't sound nearly as terrible as 0.02%, but is actually a lot lot better than when Gordon Brown was "elected" PM by ... 0.000001% of the population... that's right... elected by 1 person, Mr T Blair.
I don't think it's really that relevant whether the PM is elected by 0.000001%, 0.02%. 0.05% or 0.2%. What matters is the mandate the party they represent is not changed significantly. The mandate the Conservatives where elected on was to Leave the EU with a deal better than we currently have. Johnson's plan to Leave without a deal is not inline with that original mandate. As such, to gain a mandate for his plan, he should put it back to the country either in a referendum or a general election.
Is that his actual plan? what else has he said around the whole issue of leaving... he talked about it during his candidacy launch, and talked about it again last night.
The only Leave that fulfills the 2017 general election mandate is leaving with a deal better than we currently have. If Johnson can get that deal then he can claim a mandate (in my opinion a rather tenuous mandate) and leave with that deal. Anything else, whether it's 'no deal' or 'no BREXIT' has no mandate either from the 2017 general election or the 2016 referendum.
the 2017 GE was a second referendum?
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No, we had the second referendum in 2016. In 2017 the Conservative Party stood on a manifesto saying "We need to deliver a smooth and orderly departure from
the European Union and forge a deep and special partnership with our friends and
allies across Europe... ...If we are going to make sure Britain emerges from Brexit as a strong and united
nation, we will need strong leadership and good government: to get the right DEAL
for Britain in Europe... ...Trade will continue to be crucial to our future
growth and prosperity. As we leave the European Union, we want to negotiate a new deep
and special partnership with the EU, which will allow free trade between the UK and the
EU’s member states. As part of the agreement we strike, we want to make sure that there
are as few barriers to trade and investment as possible". No mention was made of leaving the EU with 'no deal' therefore the mandate from the General Election is not to Leave "do or die", "deal or 'no deal'" but to Leave with a good deal that would allow free trade between the EU and the UK. If Johnson pursues that mandate and leaves with a good deal then OK; anything else requires a new mandate.
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The only Leave that fulfills the 2017 general election mandate is leaving with a deal better than we currently have. If Johnson can get that deal then he can claim a mandate (in my opinion a rather tenuous mandate) and leave with that deal. Anything else, whether it's 'no deal' or 'no BREXIT' has no mandate either from the 2017 general election or the 2016 referendum.
the 2017 GE was a second referendum?
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Indeed it was... according to leave voters |
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"If your going to do stats... do them right ...
its actually 0.2% of the population
Which obviously doesn't sound nearly as terrible as 0.02%, but is actually a lot lot better than when Gordon Brown was "elected" PM by ... 0.000001% of the population... that's right... elected by 1 person, Mr T Blair.
I don't think it's really that relevant whether the PM is elected by 0.000001%, 0.02%. 0.05% or 0.2%. What matters is the mandate the party they represent is not changed significantly. The mandate the Conservatives where elected on was to Leave the EU with a deal better than we currently have. Johnson's plan to Leave without a deal is not inline with that original mandate. As such, to gain a mandate for his plan, he should put it back to the country either in a referendum or a general election.
Is that his actual plan? what else has he said around the whole issue of leaving... he talked about it during his candidacy launch, and talked about it again last night.
The only Leave that fulfills the 2017 general election mandate is leaving with a deal better than we currently have. If Johnson can get that deal then he can claim a mandate (in my opinion a rather tenuous mandate) and leave with that deal. Anything else, whether it's 'no deal' or 'no BREXIT' has no mandate either from the 2017 general election or the 2016 referendum.
the 2017 GE was a second referendum?
No, we had the second referendum in 2016. In 2017 the Conservative Party stood on a manifesto saying "We need to deliver a smooth and orderly departure from
the European Union and forge a deep and special partnership with our friends and
allies across Europe... ...If we are going to make sure Britain emerges from Brexit as a strong and united
nation, we will need strong leadership and good government: to get the right DEAL
for Britain in Europe... ...Trade will continue to be crucial to our future
growth and prosperity. As we leave the European Union, we want to negotiate a new deep
and special partnership with the EU, which will allow free trade between the UK and the
EU’s member states. As part of the agreement we strike, we want to make sure that there
are as few barriers to trade and investment as possible". No mention was made of leaving the EU with 'no deal' therefore the mandate from the General Election is not to Leave "do or die", "deal or 'no deal'" but to Leave with a good deal that would allow free trade between the EU and the UK. If Johnson pursues that mandate and leaves with a good deal then OK; anything else requires a new mandate.
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The second referendum came before the first referendum ?
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its actually 0.2% of the population
Which obviously doesn't sound nearly as terrible as 0.02%, but is actually a lot lot better than when Gordon Brown was "elected" PM by ... 0.000001% of the population... that's right... elected by 1 person, Mr T Blair.
I don't think it's really that relevant whether the PM is elected by 0.000001%, 0.02%. 0.05% or 0.2%. What matters is the mandate the party they represent is not changed significantly. The mandate the Conservatives where elected on was to Leave the EU with a deal better than we currently have. Johnson's plan to Leave without a deal is not inline with that original mandate. As such, to gain a mandate for his plan, he should put it back to the country either in a referendum or a general election.
Is that his actual plan? what else has he said around the whole issue of leaving... he talked about it during his candidacy launch, and talked about it again last night.
The only Leave that fulfills the 2017 general election mandate is leaving with a deal better than we currently have. If Johnson can get that deal then he can claim a mandate (in my opinion a rather tenuous mandate) and leave with that deal. Anything else, whether it's 'no deal' or 'no BREXIT' has no mandate either from the 2017 general election or the 2016 referendum.
the 2017 GE was a second referendum?
No, we had the second referendum in 2016. In 2017 the Conservative Party stood on a manifesto saying "We need to deliver a smooth and orderly departure from
the European Union and forge a deep and special partnership with our friends and
allies across Europe... ...If we are going to make sure Britain emerges from Brexit as a strong and united
nation, we will need strong leadership and good government: to get the right DEAL
for Britain in Europe... ...Trade will continue to be crucial to our future
growth and prosperity. As we leave the European Union, we want to negotiate a new deep
and special partnership with the EU, which will allow free trade between the UK and the
EU’s member states. As part of the agreement we strike, we want to make sure that there
are as few barriers to trade and investment as possible". No mention was made of leaving the EU with 'no deal' therefore the mandate from the General Election is not to Leave "do or die", "deal or 'no deal'" but to Leave with a good deal that would allow free trade between the EU and the UK. If Johnson pursues that mandate and leaves with a good deal then OK; anything else requires a new mandate.
The second referendum came before the first referendum ?
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No, the first referendum was in 1975, which Remain won with 17.4 million votes and 67% of those that voted.
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"If your going to do stats... do them right ...
its actually 0.2% of the population
Which obviously doesn't sound nearly as terrible as 0.02%, but is actually a lot lot better than when Gordon Brown was "elected" PM by ... 0.000001% of the population... that's right... elected by 1 person, Mr T Blair.
I don't think it's really that relevant whether the PM is elected by 0.000001%, 0.02%. 0.05% or 0.2%. What matters is the mandate the party they represent is not changed significantly. The mandate the Conservatives where elected on was to Leave the EU with a deal better than we currently have. Johnson's plan to Leave without a deal is not inline with that original mandate. As such, to gain a mandate for his plan, he should put it back to the country either in a referendum or a general election.
Is that his actual plan? what else has he said around the whole issue of leaving... he talked about it during his candidacy launch, and talked about it again last night.
The only Leave that fulfills the 2017 general election mandate is leaving with a deal better than we currently have. If Johnson can get that deal then he can claim a mandate (in my opinion a rather tenuous mandate) and leave with that deal. Anything else, whether it's 'no deal' or 'no BREXIT' has no mandate either from the 2017 general election or the 2016 referendum.
the 2017 GE was a second referendum?
No, we had the second referendum in 2016. In 2017 the Conservative Party stood on a manifesto saying "We need to deliver a smooth and orderly departure from
the European Union and forge a deep and special partnership with our friends and
allies across Europe... ...If we are going to make sure Britain emerges from Brexit as a strong and united
nation, we will need strong leadership and good government: to get the right DEAL
for Britain in Europe... ...Trade will continue to be crucial to our future
growth and prosperity. As we leave the European Union, we want to negotiate a new deep
and special partnership with the EU, which will allow free trade between the UK and the
EU’s member states. As part of the agreement we strike, we want to make sure that there
are as few barriers to trade and investment as possible". No mention was made of leaving the EU with 'no deal' therefore the mandate from the General Election is not to Leave "do or die", "deal or 'no deal'" but to Leave with a good deal that would allow free trade between the EU and the UK. If Johnson pursues that mandate and leaves with a good deal then OK; anything else requires a new mandate.
The second referendum came before the first referendum ?
No, the first referendum was in 1975, which Remain won with 17.4 million votes and 67% of those that voted.
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And you want to compare 1975 Europe to the EU in 2016?
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"No longer the one nation "Conservative and UNIONIST" party then.
The Conservative Party really needs to take a long, hard look at its self. It's no longer the party of business; it's no longer the party of Unionism, it's no longer the party of parliamentary democracy; it's no longer the party for Europe; it's no longer the party for trade, it's no longer the party of meritocracy; it's no longer the party of opportunity. Apart from English Nationalism, what is it the party for now? Pitt, Peal and Churchill must flipping somersaults in their graves.
I think Pitt, Peal and Churchill were flipping somersaults in their graves when the worst Tory Prime minister in history Ted Heath took us into the EU in the first place. That is where this whole thing started, we should have never joined to begin with!"
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"If your going to do stats... do them right ...
its actually 0.2% of the population
Which obviously doesn't sound nearly as terrible as 0.02%, but is actually a lot lot better than when Gordon Brown was "elected" PM by ... 0.000001% of the population... that's right... elected by 1 person, Mr T Blair.
I don't think it's really that relevant whether the PM is elected by 0.000001%, 0.02%. 0.05% or 0.2%. What matters is the mandate the party they represent is not changed significantly. The mandate the Conservatives where elected on was to Leave the EU with a deal better than we currently have. Johnson's plan to Leave without a deal is not inline with that original mandate. As such, to gain a mandate for his plan, he should put it back to the country either in a referendum or a general election.
Is that his actual plan? what else has he said around the whole issue of leaving... he talked about it during his candidacy launch, and talked about it again last night.
The only Leave that fulfills the 2017 general election mandate is leaving with a deal better than we currently have. If Johnson can get that deal then he can claim a mandate (in my opinion a rather tenuous mandate) and leave with that deal. Anything else, whether it's 'no deal' or 'no BREXIT' has no mandate either from the 2017 general election or the 2016 referendum.
the 2017 GE was a second referendum?
No, we had the second referendum in 2016. In 2017 the Conservative Party stood on a manifesto saying "We need to deliver a smooth and orderly departure from
the European Union and forge a deep and special partnership with our friends and
allies across Europe... ...If we are going to make sure Britain emerges from Brexit as a strong and united
nation, we will need strong leadership and good government: to get the right DEAL
for Britain in Europe... ...Trade will continue to be crucial to our future
growth and prosperity. As we leave the European Union, we want to negotiate a new deep
and special partnership with the EU, which will allow free trade between the UK and the
EU’s member states. As part of the agreement we strike, we want to make sure that there
are as few barriers to trade and investment as possible". No mention was made of leaving the EU with 'no deal' therefore the mandate from the General Election is not to Leave "do or die", "deal or 'no deal'" but to Leave with a good deal that would allow free trade between the EU and the UK. If Johnson pursues that mandate and leaves with a good deal then OK; anything else requires a new mandate.
The second referendum came before the first referendum ?
No, the first referendum was in 1975, which Remain won with 17.4 million votes and 67% of those that voted.
And you want to compare 1975 Europe to the EU in 2016?
"
With the noticeable exception of a democratically elected parliament and a more effective Single Market it is pretty much the same. The EEC (European Economic Community) or Common Market was a Customs Union and a Single Market. The clues in the name, The Common Market!
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"If your going to do stats... do them right ...
its actually 0.2% of the population
Which obviously doesn't sound nearly as terrible as 0.02%, but is actually a lot lot better than when Gordon Brown was "elected" PM by ... 0.000001% of the population... that's right... elected by 1 person, Mr T Blair.
I don't think it's really that relevant whether the PM is elected by 0.000001%, 0.02%. 0.05% or 0.2%. What matters is the mandate the party they represent is not changed significantly. The mandate the Conservatives where elected on was to Leave the EU with a deal better than we currently have. Johnson's plan to Leave without a deal is not inline with that original mandate. As such, to gain a mandate for his plan, he should put it back to the country either in a referendum or a general election.
Is that his actual plan? what else has he said around the whole issue of leaving... he talked about it during his candidacy launch, and talked about it again last night.
The only Leave that fulfills the 2017 general election mandate is leaving with a deal better than we currently have. If Johnson can get that deal then he can claim a mandate (in my opinion a rather tenuous mandate) and leave with that deal. Anything else, whether it's 'no deal' or 'no BREXIT' has no mandate either from the 2017 general election or the 2016 referendum.
the 2017 GE was a second referendum?
No, we had the second referendum in 2016. In 2017 the Conservative Party stood on a manifesto saying "We need to deliver a smooth and orderly departure from
the European Union and forge a deep and special partnership with our friends and
allies across Europe... ...If we are going to make sure Britain emerges from Brexit as a strong and united
nation, we will need strong leadership and good government: to get the right DEAL
for Britain in Europe... ...Trade will continue to be crucial to our future
growth and prosperity. As we leave the European Union, we want to negotiate a new deep
and special partnership with the EU, which will allow free trade between the UK and the
EU’s member states. As part of the agreement we strike, we want to make sure that there
are as few barriers to trade and investment as possible". No mention was made of leaving the EU with 'no deal' therefore the mandate from the General Election is not to Leave "do or die", "deal or 'no deal'" but to Leave with a good deal that would allow free trade between the EU and the UK. If Johnson pursues that mandate and leaves with a good deal then OK; anything else requires a new mandate.
The second referendum came before the first referendum ?
No, the first referendum was in 1975, which Remain won with 17.4 million votes and 67% of those that voted.
And you want to compare 1975 Europe to the EU in 2016?
With the noticeable exception of a democratically elected parliament and a more effective Single Market it is pretty much the same. The EEC (European Economic Community) or Common Market was a Customs Union and a Single Market. The clues in the name, The Common Market!
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Uk joining, along with Ireland and Denmark, increased the Eu from 6 to 9.
Fast forward to 2016 - 27 countries and rising .
One size doesn’t fit all |
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"No longer the one nation "Conservative and UNIONIST" party then.
The Conservative Party really needs to take a long, hard look at its self. It's no longer the party of business; it's no longer the party of Unionism, it's no longer the party of parliamentary democracy; it's no longer the party for Europe; it's no longer the party for trade, it's no longer the party of meritocracy; it's no longer the party of opportunity. Apart from English Nationalism, what is it the party for now? Pitt, Peal and Churchill must flipping somersaults in their graves.
I think Pitt, Peal and Churchill were flipping somersaults in their graves when the worst Tory Prime minister in history Ted Heath took us into the EU in the first place. That is where this whole thing started, we should have never joined to begin with!
YES THIS!"
Then you obviously haven't read on of Churchill's comments and thoughts on a United Europe or Robert Peal, founder of the Conservative Party, whos most notable act was the repeal of the Corn Laws in 1846 which was the start of free trade between the UK and Europe which lasted until the 1930s.
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"If your going to do stats... do them right ...
its actually 0.2% of the population
Which obviously doesn't sound nearly as terrible as 0.02%, but is actually a lot lot better than when Gordon Brown was "elected" PM by ... 0.000001% of the population... that's right... elected by 1 person, Mr T Blair.
I don't think it's really that relevant whether the PM is elected by 0.000001%, 0.02%. 0.05% or 0.2%. What matters is the mandate the party they represent is not changed significantly. The mandate the Conservatives where elected on was to Leave the EU with a deal better than we currently have. Johnson's plan to Leave without a deal is not inline with that original mandate. As such, to gain a mandate for his plan, he should put it back to the country either in a referendum or a general election.
Is that his actual plan? what else has he said around the whole issue of leaving... he talked about it during his candidacy launch, and talked about it again last night.
The only Leave that fulfills the 2017 general election mandate is leaving with a deal better than we currently have. If Johnson can get that deal then he can claim a mandate (in my opinion a rather tenuous mandate) and leave with that deal. Anything else, whether it's 'no deal' or 'no BREXIT' has no mandate either from the 2017 general election or the 2016 referendum.
the 2017 GE was a second referendum?
No, we had the second referendum in 2016. In 2017 the Conservative Party stood on a manifesto saying "We need to deliver a smooth and orderly departure from
the European Union and forge a deep and special partnership with our friends and
allies across Europe... ...If we are going to make sure Britain emerges from Brexit as a strong and united
nation, we will need strong leadership and good government: to get the right DEAL
for Britain in Europe... ...Trade will continue to be crucial to our future
growth and prosperity. As we leave the European Union, we want to negotiate a new deep
and special partnership with the EU, which will allow free trade between the UK and the
EU’s member states. As part of the agreement we strike, we want to make sure that there
are as few barriers to trade and investment as possible". No mention was made of leaving the EU with 'no deal' therefore the mandate from the General Election is not to Leave "do or die", "deal or 'no deal'" but to Leave with a good deal that would allow free trade between the EU and the UK. If Johnson pursues that mandate and leaves with a good deal then OK; anything else requires a new mandate.
The second referendum came before the first referendum ?
No, the first referendum was in 1975, which Remain won with 17.4 million votes and 67% of those that voted.
And you want to compare 1975 Europe to the EU in 2016?
With the noticeable exception of a democratically elected parliament and a more effective Single Market it is pretty much the same. The EEC (European Economic Community) or Common Market was a Customs Union and a Single Market. The clues in the name, The Common Market!
Uk joining, along with Ireland and Denmark, increased the Eu from 6 to 9.
Fast forward to 2016 - 27 countries and rising .
One size doesn’t fit all"
Which part, that wasn't there in 1975, doesn't fit whom?
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Uk joining, along with Ireland and Denmark, increased the Eu from 6 to 9.
Fast forward to 2016 - 27 countries and rising .
One size doesn’t fit all
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