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"While I personally think the target should be sooner the announcement today that the UK government is committing to net zero emissions by 2050 is something we should all be proud off regardless of other political views. A demonstration that this country can still lead the world when it chooses. Who wants to poop my party? Whilst I am happy this is being put into law, Caroline Lucas said it best. We now need No third runway at heathrow, Investment in roads, and ban fracking. Then we can really demonstrate out commitment to net zero targets. "  | |||
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"While I personally think the target should be sooner the announcement today that the UK government is committing to net zero emissions by 2050 is something we should all be proud off regardless of other political views. A demonstration that this country can still lead the world when it chooses. Who wants to poop my party? Whilst I am happy this is being put into law, Caroline Lucas said it best. We now need No third runway at heathrow, Investment in roads, and ban fracking. Then we can really demonstrate out commitment to net zero targets. "Agreed | |||
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"We keep being told we need to stay in the EU because the environment rules. But because we are in the EU over 4 thousand trucks go through Dover every day, that's a lot of fuel they are burning. Out side the EU we might make more at home to cut the fuel use. Must be worth trying. " .------- or , have the trucks stuck at Dover with their engines running for a couple of hours while the driver has his documents and cargo checked | |||
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"We keep being told we need to stay in the EU because the environment rules. But because we are in the EU over 4 thousand trucks go through Dover every day, that's a lot of fuel they are burning. Out side the EU we might make more at home to cut the fuel use. Must be worth trying. " Make more at home out of what raw materials? Out of what components? Do you propose that we make small volumes of things so that we can benefit from the high prices and inefficiencies? | |||
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"While I personally think the target should be sooner the announcement today that the UK government is committing to net zero emissions by 2050 is something we should all be proud off regardless of other political views. A demonstration that this country can still lead the world when it chooses. Who wants to poop my party? " It's a good idea of we put the infrastructure in place for electric cars and seriously invest in tidal and wave power. Rhodium salt nuclear reactors instead of the current dirty, dangerous crap We also need a carbon reading scheme in place to prevent high energy use industries being hurt in the interim. We don't do long term investment and if Brexit happens we will end up dropping a lot of our goals with deregulation. We can hope though. | |||
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"The longer they have to wait the more chance we will stop using them. 20 year's ago it was only just over a one thousand trucks, but the EU likes lots of movement it keeps you tied up to the state. " Sadly we no longer have a manufacturing base to build stuff on a large scale. And because of Brexit, investment is flooding out of the country so there's no money to regenerate a manufacturing sector. Plus we are reliant on importing raw materials. So no, your Dover lorries theory of cutting immissions isn't strong enough sorry  | |||
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"Net zero emissions by 2050 a noble statement and target. Anyone fail to notice the aviation industry and the shipping industry. Does the shipping industry even have regulations on emmisions? Those mighty diesels that power container ships through the oceans of the world delivering 'stuff' for the consumer. " If treated as a country, international shipping would be the sixth largest emitter of CO2 . | |||
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"Net zero emissions by 2050 a noble statement and target. Anyone fail to notice the aviation industry and the shipping industry. Does the shipping industry even have regulations on emmisions? Those mighty diesels that power container ships through the oceans of the world delivering 'stuff' for the consumer. If treated as a country, international shipping would be the sixth largest emitter of CO2 ." . Not if we let Chris Grayling give all the shipping contracts to firms with no boats | |||
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"Net zero emissions by 2050 a noble statement and target. Anyone fail to notice the aviation industry and the shipping industry. Does the shipping industry even have regulations on emmisions? Those mighty diesels that power container ships through the oceans of the world delivering 'stuff' for the consumer. " They only operate on diesel when manoeuvring. When underway, deep sea the engines are operated on heavy oil. | |||
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"Net zero emissions by 2050 a noble statement and target. Anyone fail to notice the aviation industry and the shipping industry. Does the shipping industry even have regulations on emmisions? Those mighty diesels that power container ships through the oceans of the world delivering 'stuff' for the consumer. If treated as a country, international shipping would be the sixth largest emitter of CO2 ." The california of emmisions! | |||
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"Net zero emissions by 2050 a noble statement and target. Anyone fail to notice the aviation industry and the shipping industry. Does the shipping industry even have regulations on emmisions? Those mighty diesels that power container ships through the oceans of the world delivering 'stuff' for the consumer. They only operate on diesel when manoeuvring. When underway, deep sea the engines are operated on heavy oil." Yes the heavy oil that belches out black smoke, harmful particulates etc. Not a big candidate for ecological fuel of the year! | |||
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"We keep being told we need to stay in the EU because the environment rules. But because we are in the EU over 4 thousand trucks go through Dover every day, that's a lot of fuel they are burning. Out side the EU we might make more at home to cut the fuel use. Must be worth trying. " Alternatively, the idea of focussing on trade with countries on the other side of the world instead of those markets closest to home makes no environmental sense. The UK trajectory replicates the proposal for the EU27 and that of Japan announced by its Cabinet on Tuesday - all of it driven by the legal obligations contained in the Paris climate change accord. The outlier in all of this, of course, is Trump and his decision to withdraw from the Paris commitment because he does not think it is good for American business. Both Labour and the Conservative Party seem pretty well aligned on the principles, if not the tactics. But the US experience demonstrates how vulnerable these commitments can be in the era of populism and self-interest. | |||
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 seems to be the underlying message.
Firstly "net" can be very misleading. What do they offset from the gross to get to the net figure? How many trees need to be planted per power station, or per electric car? With a few dodgy computer models and calculations you could come up with any number that suits.
Firstly let's look at the future of motoring.
Britain (let alone the rest of Europe) has around 40 million cars on the road of which nearly all burn petrol or diesel. So in a tad over 30 years they are all expected to have changed to electric. Does anyone realise how many charging points would be needed? It may be all fine and dandy for people with private driveways who can afford to install their own, but what about the millions who rely on street parking? Does anyone really think that a charging point can be plonked every 20 feet on every street in Britain? Because it would have to happen.
Charging stations you may say. REALLY! The queues at some petrol stations today are bad enough. Imagine what it would be like when an average "fill up" takes 40 minutes or an hour.
Or, as is more likely, is this a long term plot to force/price the poor off the roads and make car ownership a luxury that only the elite can afford? If so the job losses (allegedly) caused by brexit would be a drop in the ocean.
Assuming for a moment that all of those problems could be surmounted, then what? Where does all the electricity to charge them come from? Britain is struggling to keep the lights on now and more power stations need to be built just to stand still. With all the red tape involved it takes years just to build one, let alone the 16 extra ones that it is estimated would be needed just to charge a country full of electric cars.
Windmills? You would need to put up millions of them just to keep up.
Wave power or solar power? Technologically way behind the curve and not a chance of catching up any time soon.
I'm all for reducing emissions and every country should play its part. But one small island in the north Atlantic impoverishing itself on the altar of climate change while the rest of the world carries on regardless won't make a jot of difference, other than a few politicians with polished halo's.
We hear a lot about so called austerity these days, believe me, if this lot goes through then you a'int seen nothing yet.
Oh! While we are at it. The EU are very fond of lecturing us about how green we should all be. Maybe they could lead the way by shutting down the parliament in Strasbourg therefore negating the need for a fleet of trucks carting mountains of paper between there and Brussels every month. | |||
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"Vehicles burning fossil fuels will not be banned from the road by 2040 as you state. From 2040, it will be illegal to sell new vehicles burning fossil fuel. Older vehicles will die out naturally " I actually didn't state that. I was commenting on the net zero emissions target for 2050 ("tad over 30 years" was a clue) which in all but name will mean a ban. | |||
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"You said that everyone will have to switch to electric during the next 30 years. That is not accurate. " OK if you want to be pedantic then I'll qualify it with: Or drive a car that is at least 10 years old. " The reason for setting long-term targets is to give industry time and incentives to develop the alternative technologies. " Nothing wrong with targets but making it legally binding is a jump too far. So if industry fails they get fined? " We are already making great changes (the UK just went 18 days without any electricity from coal - the longest gap period since the industrial revolution)." Of course things are changing and mostly for the better, but ask yourself this. How many coal fired power stations did China open in those 18 days? and how many wood pellets were shipped across the Atlantic to be burned in its place? " The cost of offshore wind has reduced dramatically in price, to the point where it threatens the economics of other technology such as nuclear." But do you actually realise how many would need to be installed to replace coal, gas, and wood? Plus the extra ones needed to charge 40 million plus cars. " Until the renewable technology can supplant the base load supply, however, nuclear must be regenerated. All-electric transport needs the equivalent of 6 modern nuclear power plant." 6 or 16 It doesn't matter which. Britain can't even build one. Hinkley point was given the go ahead in 2008 and it still isn't up and running and not likely to be until at least 2025. And you think they can build another 5 before 2050. Dream on. "The installation of charging points is a big cost. We have 20 years, and incentives are already being provided by government for their installation." But how many and where? To service 40 million cars you would need around 10 million of the things. Like I said, all fine and dandy if you have a nice driveway in suburbia, but millions rely on street parking. So you either put them everywhere like parking meters or every pavement looks like an explosion in a spaghetti factory. " Hydrogen is perhaps the fuel source with the greatest potential, but we need a leap forward in battery technology. 20-30 years created the window for that leap forward " Agreed but it is way off in the distant future and can't really be factored into today's debate. | |||
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"Norway is rolling out all-electric aircraft for use on domestic routes up to 60 minutes in duration. The future is exciting." Last one spotted flying into a thunderstorm for a refuel?  | |||
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"Not being pedantic at all. You are making an assumption that by 2040 the alternative to cars burning fossil fuels will only be electric cars. I am not making that assumption." But with what we know today that is the only assumption anyone can make. You can't set legally binding targets in the hope that something will turn up. Even Micawber would baulk at that one. | |||
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"Not being pedantic at all. You are making an assumption that by 2040 the alternative to cars burning fossil fuels will only be electric cars. I am not making that assumption. But with what we know today that is the only assumption anyone can make. You can't set legally binding targets in the hope that something will turn up. Even Micawber would baulk at that one. " With your mindset, we'd still be fitting asbestos in new buildings. | |||
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"Not being pedantic at all. You are making an assumption that by 2040 the alternative to cars burning fossil fuels will only be electric cars. I am not making that assumption. But with what we know today that is the only assumption anyone can make. You can't set legally binding targets in the hope that something will turn up. Even Micawber would baulk at that one. With your mindset, we'd still be fitting asbestos in new buildings." I really do admire your optimism and I really hope that something will turn up. Where we disagree is that I wouldn't bet the farm on it, which is what the politicians seem hell bent on doing. | |||
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"While I personally think the target should be sooner the announcement today that the UK government is committing to net zero emissions by 2050 is something we should all be proud off regardless of other political views. A demonstration that this country can still lead the world when it chooses. Who wants to poop my party? " Easy to promise 30 years ahead,it means very little,will not make May a hero | |||
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"We keep being told we need to stay in the EU because the environment rules. But because we are in the EU over 4 thousand trucks go through Dover every day, that's a lot of fuel they are burning. Out side the EU we might make more at home to cut the fuel use. Must be worth trying. Make more at home out of what raw materials? Out of what components? Do you propose that we make small volumes of things so that we can benefit from the high prices and inefficiencies?" Totally agree with this, any dream built on a false assumption sounds perfectly reasonable and achievable, but the reality of 'making more at home' means significant price increases, which in turn leads to higher inflation and unemployment. | |||
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"You said that everyone will have to switch to electric during the next 30 years. That is not accurate. OK if you want to be pedantic then I'll qualify it with: Or drive a car that is at least 10 years old. The reason for setting long-term targets is to give industry time and incentives to develop the alternative technologies. Nothing wrong with targets but making it legally binding is a jump too far. So if industry fails they get fined? We are already making great changes (the UK just went 18 days without any electricity from coal - the longest gap period since the industrial revolution). Of course things are changing and mostly for the better, but ask yourself this. How many coal fired power stations did China open in those 18 days? and how many wood pellets were shipped across the Atlantic to be burned in its place? The cost of offshore wind has reduced dramatically in price, to the point where it threatens the economics of other technology such as nuclear. But do you actually realise how many would need to be installed to replace coal, gas, and wood? Plus the extra ones needed to charge 40 million plus cars. Until the renewable technology can supplant the base load supply, however, nuclear must be regenerated. All-electric transport needs the equivalent of 6 modern nuclear power plant. 6 or 16 It doesn't matter which. Britain can't even build one. Hinkley point was given the go ahead in 2008 and it still isn't up and running and not likely to be until at least 2025. And you think they can build another 5 before 2050. Dream on. The installation of charging points is a big cost. We have 20 years, and incentives are already being provided by government for their installation. But how many and where? To service 40 million cars you would need around 10 million of the things. Like I said, all fine and dandy if you have a nice driveway in suburbia, but millions rely on street parking. So you either put them everywhere like parking meters or every pavement looks like an explosion in a spaghetti factory. Hydrogen is perhaps the fuel source with the greatest potential, but we need a leap forward in battery technology. 20-30 years created the window for that leap forward Agreed but it is way off in the distant future and can't really be factored into today's debate. " There is an article in the motors section of the sun today, hyundai are releasing a car called the nexo, its hydrogen driven with no co2 emissions and does about 400 miles, the tanks can be installed in existing fuel stations and the stations just need a wind turbine to turn water into hydrogen at each station. Impressive if its true, and it would be a lot quicker to instigate, than electric charging points as the journalist explains. | |||
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"One of the counter-argument to doing anything I hear is the impact on a global scale. Well, the local impact is as good a reason as any. Public Health England estimates that 29,000 people in England died prematurely last year because of the damage done by vehicles burning fossil fuels. The University of Oxford calculated the cost to society is about £6bn a year. The cost to the NHS from dealing with vehicle-related admissions is forecast to reach £18.6 billion by 2035. We know fossil fuel engines are killing citizens, in addition to their harm to the global eco-system. Are you happy to carry on killing citizens, or might we have a duty to change the practices that cause it?" Here's a start:- All urban delivery vehicles to be electric. All taxis to be electric. Only electric vehicles allowed to drop off/pick up children at school. All utility vehicles (Post office, water etc), to be electric. Start small and achievable. Develop the technology. Then get more ambitious. | |||
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"It's great but only if the country take serious steps towards achieving it. Unfortunately it sounds like a last desparate attempt by Theresa May to be remembered for something positive!"  | |||
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"NASA want to put man on the moon again but are experiencing a few problems solving radiation. I thought the technology was already there from 1969. Surely all those billions spent in space exploration would be better spent on alternative energy engines. I wonder how much emmisions a space rocket emits, and all that space junk just floating around the earth. I reckon priorities are a bit out of synchronisation. " What should NASA be doing if not working in space? If you want to point the finger at an American institution then the the US military pumps at more carbon than Sweden . | |||
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"While I personally think the target should be sooner the announcement today that the UK government is committing to net zero emissions by 2050 is something we should all be proud off regardless of other political views. A demonstration that this country can still lead the world when it chooses. Who wants to poop my party? Whilst I am happy this is being put into law, Caroline Lucas said it best. We now need No third runway at heathrow, Investment in roads, and ban fracking. Then we can really demonstrate out commitment to net zero targets.
Agreed"Lucas talks the talk ok, but she has done nothing to improve the environment in Brighton & Hove. We already had bus and bicycle lanes well before her lot were elected, the wind farms do little more than spoil the horizon looking out to sea. Slowing the traffic down to 20mph has increased congestion, and the bin men have spent more time on strike than they did during the Thatcher years. Yeah she talks the talk, but she cannot walk the walk... | |||
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"While I personally think the target should be sooner the announcement today that the UK government is committing to net zero emissions by 2050 is something we should all be proud off regardless of other political views. A demonstration that this country can still lead the world when it chooses. Who wants to poop my party? Whilst I am happy this is being put into law, Caroline Lucas said it best. We now need No third runway at heathrow, Investment in roads, and ban fracking. Then we can really demonstrate out commitment to net zero targets.
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Lucas talks the talk ok, but she has done nothing to improve the environment in Brighton & Hove. We already had bus and bicycle lanes well before her lot were elected, the wind farms do little more than spoil the horizon looking out to sea. Slowing the traffic down to 20mph has increased congestion, and the bin men have spent more time on strike than they did during the Thatcher years.
Yeah she talks the talk, but she cannot walk the walk..."What's that cigarette tower thing on the seafront just in front of the Regency square. Bet there was a few backhanders exchanged for permission on that monstrosity! | |||
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"From 2025, it will be illegal to install a gas-fired boiler in your home. Or is it just new homes? Can't remember." Correct | |||
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"While I personally think the target should be sooner the announcement today that the UK government is committing to net zero emissions by 2050 is something we should all be proud off regardless of other political views. A demonstration that this country can still lead the world when it chooses. Who wants to poop my party? Whilst I am happy this is being put into law, Caroline Lucas said it best. We now need No third runway at heathrow, Investment in roads, and ban fracking. Then we can really demonstrate out commitment to net zero targets.
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Lucas talks the talk ok, but she has done nothing to improve the environment in Brighton & Hove. We already had bus and bicycle lanes well before her lot were elected, the wind farms do little more than spoil the horizon looking out to sea. Slowing the traffic down to 20mph has increased congestion, and the bin men have spent more time on strike than they did during the Thatcher years.
Yeah she talks the talk, but she cannot walk the walk...
What's that cigarette tower thing on the seafront just in front of the Regency square. Bet there was a few backhanders exchanged for permission on that monstrosity! "I can’t remember what it is called, but I know they took down the Brighton Eye to make room for it! | |||
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"Just to add. We are living on an island, and yet all the renewable energy appears to be coming from wind farms and solar panelling. Why they are not using the strong currents in our surrounding oceans and tidal rivers is a question that needs to be answered. Why all those windmills in the English Chanel when hydro electricity would be more economical?" if we filled the coast with tidal generators how would the Spanish and French boats be able to fish our waters? | |||
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"Just to add. We are living on an island, and yet all the renewable energy appears to be coming from wind farms and solar panelling. Why they are not using the strong currents in our surrounding oceans and tidal rivers is a question that needs to be answered. Why all those windmills in the English Chanel when hydro electricity would be more economical? if we filled the coast with tidal generators how would the Spanish and French boats be able to fish our waters? "Maybe the Spaniards would castanets? | |||
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"Just to add. We are living on an island, and yet all the renewable energy appears to be coming from wind farms and solar panelling. Why they are not using the strong currents in our surrounding oceans and tidal rivers is a question that needs to be answered. Why all those windmills in the English Chanel when hydro electricity would be more economical? if we filled the coast with tidal generators how would the Spanish and French boats be able to fish our waters?
Maybe the Spaniards would castanets? "hahahaha funniest thing today | |||
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"Here's a problem to be solved if we're going to get rid of gas boilers, cookers et al. Both gas and electricity consumption is measured in kWh. The unit rate you pay will vary depending upon the energy price plan you’re on, and even the region you live in, but the average cost of electricity per kWh is 14.37p, and the average gas cost per kWh is 3.80p." Don't worry, Mr Corbyn is taking it all back into public ownership | |||
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"Not being pedantic at all. You are making an assumption that by 2040 the alternative to cars burning fossil fuels will only be electric cars. I am not making that assumption. But with what we know today that is the only assumption anyone can make. You can't set legally binding targets in the hope that something will turn up. Even Micawber would baulk at that one. " *cough* 31 October *cough* | |||
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"The latest 'expert' opinion on Brexit is that it will cost about £30 Billion a year, until new trade deals etc kick in.....and people are up in arms about the economic damage to the country.... The figures on achieving zero emmissions are about £70 Billion a year, 'no foreseeable economic benefit at all'... and yet those same people haven't batted an eyelid." No foreseeable economic benefit?!?! Do you live in a cave? Weather and climate related disasters have cost the world $650 billion in the last three years alone. And that's barely scratching the surface of overall costs. | |||
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"The latest 'expert' opinion on Brexit is that it will cost about £30 Billion a year, until new trade deals etc kick in.....and people are up in arms about the economic damage to the country.... The figures on achieving zero emmissions are about £70 Billion a year, 'no foreseeable economic benefit at all'... and yet those same people haven't batted an eyelid. No foreseeable economic benefit?!?! Do you live in a cave? Weather and climate related disasters have cost the world $650 billion in the last three years alone. And that's barely scratching the surface of overall costs. " The figures and analysis is from the latest government report...not my words. But how much of the $217 B each year does the UK pay/ is the UK responsible for? Or are you saying that if we spend $90 Billion per year on reducing our 1.2% of the world's greenhouse emissions, we'll see a net economic benefit to the UK? When the cost to the whole world in climate related disasters is about $217 Billion each year? (1.2% of $217 B is a lot less than the $90 B we would be spending, by the way). Put another way, if it costs $90 Billion per year to eliminate 1.2% of the world's emissions, then it could cost upwards of $8 Trillion across the world, each year, to reduce world emissions to zero...to save $217 Billion each year. | |||
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"It's net people!, read the small print. There hoping that somebody invents something sometime in the future that will capture Carbon from the atmosphere and bury it deep underground at the same rate for the next 100 years that we've digging it up at. At least the virtue signalling climate alarmists who frequent this forum will be guilt free from they're multitude flying and partying trips. Those who are genuine already know the real power is in there hands, they can stop driving, flying, eating meat, buying new clothes, moving house, visiting cities, playing golf, watching football, drinking alcohol, taking antibiotics right now today with no government law required, no mandate, no fines, just stop doing it?. Sadly I feel they can't but are unwilling to "own it" so they like to blame oil companies, Tories, capitalism or anybody but them. " Can I plant a tree instead? We can all do something. We can all do more. This all or nothing attitude helps no-one. Every little helps. At least we can own our actions rather than play the victim card that we are only one person or country. Do people really say to dieters what's the point, you had a biscuit. Or do they accept some slip ups happen, but trying is better than giving up. | |||
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"It's net people!, read the small print. There hoping that somebody invents something sometime in the future that will capture Carbon from the atmosphere and bury it deep underground at the same rate for the next 100 years that we've digging it up at. At least the virtue signalling climate alarmists who frequent this forum will be guilt free from they're multitude flying and partying trips. Those who are genuine already know the real power is in there hands, they can stop driving, flying, eating meat, buying new clothes, moving house, visiting cities, playing golf, watching football, drinking alcohol, taking antibiotics right now today with no government law required, no mandate, no fines, just stop doing it?. Sadly I feel they can't but are unwilling to "own it" so they like to blame oil companies, Tories, capitalism or anybody but them. Can I plant a tree instead? We can all do something. We can all do more. This all or nothing attitude helps no-one. Every little helps. At least we can own our actions rather than play the victim card that we are only one person or country. Do people really say to dieters what's the point, you had a biscuit. Or do they accept some slip ups happen, but trying is better than giving up. " You do know for any real climate change to happen will require everyone to change what they demand from retailers. Consumerism and climate change are fundamentally linked more than just banning plastic straws and the like .. | |||
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"It's net people!, read the small print. There hoping that somebody invents something sometime in the future that will capture Carbon from the atmosphere and bury it deep underground at the same rate for the next 100 years that we've digging it up at. At least the virtue signalling climate alarmists who frequent this forum will be guilt free from they're multitude flying and partying trips. Those who are genuine already know the real power is in there hands, they can stop driving, flying, eating meat, buying new clothes, moving house, visiting cities, playing golf, watching football, drinking alcohol, taking antibiotics right now today with no government law required, no mandate, no fines, just stop doing it?. Sadly I feel they can't but are unwilling to "own it" so they like to blame oil companies, Tories, capitalism or anybody but them. Can I plant a tree instead? We can all do something. We can all do more. This all or nothing attitude helps no-one. Every little helps. At least we can own our actions rather than play the victim card that we are only one person or country. Do people really say to dieters what's the point, you had a biscuit. Or do they accept some slip ups happen, but trying is better than giving up. You do know for any real climate change to happen will require everyone to change what they demand from retailers. Consumerism and climate change are fundamentally linked more than just banning plastic straws and the like .." I do. And I agree some efforts are more token than others. But we are starting to see a wind of change with retailers. It may not be in the right areas but it will, when industries realise they will be in the firing line at some point. I think the fishing industry will be in line soon... | |||
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"Doesn’t matter what I do you do or anyone on here does unless China and India change we are all screwed " Why do you think they manufacture and produce as much stuff as they do? | |||
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"The longer they have to wait the more chance we will stop using them. 20 year's ago it was only just over a one thousand trucks, but the EU likes lots of movement it keeps you tied up to the state. " I think you'll find that it's businesses that have created their own commercial contracts and logistics, without pressure from governments. If the UK does leave the EU, it will largely be businesses stuck within contracts for product supply that will mean the continued use of imported and exported goods. All of any additional checks, costs, delays etc will probably result in product price rises | |||
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" There hoping that somebody invents something sometime in the future that will capture Carbon from the atmosphere and bury it deep underground at the same rate for the next 100 years that we've digging it up at. " It's already been invented and designed for Peterhead. But the UK Gov pulled the funding. Backfilling the holes beneath the North Sea. | |||
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"Doesn’t matter what I do you do or anyone on here does unless China and India change we are all screwed " Both are signed up to the Paris commitments and transforming their energy production. | |||
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" There hoping that somebody invents something sometime in the future that will capture Carbon from the atmosphere and bury it deep underground at the same rate for the next 100 years that we've digging it up at. It's already been invented and designed for Peterhead. But the UK Gov pulled the funding. Backfilling the holes beneath the North Sea. " But is planned to be operational by 2020 with funding from uk government and matched funding from Scottish government ( and the E.U. | |||
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"While I personally think the target should be sooner the announcement today that the UK government is committing to net zero emissions by 2050 is something we should all be proud off regardless of other political views. A demonstration that this country can still lead the world when it chooses. Who wants to poop my party? " It's a great idea, but will not make a huge difference. The Chinese are on about opening a new coal-fired power station every two weeks for the next 30 years, that's 286 huge industrial complexes spewing out greenhouse gases...that will more than offset anything we can do.  | |||
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"While I personally think the target should be sooner the announcement today that the UK government is committing to net zero emissions by 2050 is something we should all be proud off regardless of other political views. A demonstration that this country can still lead the world when it chooses. Who wants to poop my party? It's a great idea, but will not make a huge difference. The Chinese are on about opening a new coal-fired power station every two weeks for the next 30 years, that's 286 huge industrial complexes spewing out greenhouse gases...that will more than offset anything we can do. "You are correct that if the Chinese government adopts this proposal from chinas electricity council it will negate any changes we make. At present there is no decision .I would imagine this would mean china pulling out of the Paris agreement. | |||
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"Under the proposal, the country could add a large coal power plant every 2 weeks for the next 12 years. It is however only a proposal." but bob!! AOC says we're all doomed in 12 years!! And since my green vote went in the ballot box the other week no fukker has told me any different. How ya doin' btw...hope you have a good weekend lined up | |||
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"China will do what China wants nothing will stop them " Carol Decker can do stuff about it....because she's had China in her hand for years | |||
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"China will do what China wants nothing will stop them Carol Decker can do stuff about it....because she's had China in her hand for years" showing your age now lol dont push to far. | |||
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"China will do what China wants nothing will stop them Carol Decker can do stuff about it....because she's had China in her hand for yearsshowing your age now lol dont push to far. "T'pau or not to pow....that is the question lol | |||
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"The latest 'expert' opinion on Brexit is that it will cost about £30 Billion a year, until new trade deals etc kick in.....and people are up in arms about the economic damage to the country.... The figures on achieving zero emmissions are about £70 Billion a year, 'no foreseeable economic benefit at all'... and yet those same people haven't batted an eyelid. No foreseeable economic benefit?!?! Do you live in a cave? Weather and climate related disasters have cost the world $650 billion in the last three years alone. And that's barely scratching the surface of overall costs. The figures and analysis is from the latest government report...not my words. But how much of the $217 B each year does the UK pay/ is the UK responsible for? Or are you saying that if we spend $90 Billion per year on reducing our 1.2% of the world's greenhouse emissions, we'll see a net economic benefit to the UK? When the cost to the whole world in climate related disasters is about $217 Billion each year? (1.2% of $217 B is a lot less than the $90 B we would be spending, by the way). Put another way, if it costs $90 Billion per year to eliminate 1.2% of the world's emissions, then it could cost upwards of $8 Trillion across the world, each year, to reduce world emissions to zero...to save $217 Billion each year." Total estimated cost of climate change? $54 trillion. | |||
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"The latest 'expert' opinion on Brexit is that it will cost about £30 Billion a year, until new trade deals etc kick in.....and people are up in arms about the economic damage to the country.... The figures on achieving zero emmissions are about £70 Billion a year, 'no foreseeable economic benefit at all'... and yet those same people haven't batted an eyelid. No foreseeable economic benefit?!?! Do you live in a cave? Weather and climate related disasters have cost the world $650 billion in the last three years alone. And that's barely scratching the surface of overall costs. The figures and analysis is from the latest government report...not my words. But how much of the $217 B each year does the UK pay/ is the UK responsible for? Or are you saying that if we spend $90 Billion per year on reducing our 1.2% of the world's greenhouse emissions, we'll see a net economic benefit to the UK? When the cost to the whole world in climate related disasters is about $217 Billion each year? (1.2% of $217 B is a lot less than the $90 B we would be spending, by the way). Put another way, if it costs $90 Billion per year to eliminate 1.2% of the world's emissions, then it could cost upwards of $8 Trillion across the world, each year, to reduce world emissions to zero...to save $217 Billion each year. Total estimated cost of climate change? $54 trillion. " The problem here, is everything is quantified in monetary cost. What maximum price is there for a planet that can support life? | |||
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"Finland has set a target of 2035. I can see this becoming a manifesto battle, with parties pitching earlier dates to grab the green vote." All very well quoting finland and norway much easier to achieve when you have a low population.the uk does,nt. | |||
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" There hoping that somebody invents something sometime in the future that will capture Carbon from the atmosphere and bury it deep underground at the same rate for the next 100 years that we've digging it up at. It's already been invented and designed for Peterhead. But the UK Gov pulled the funding. Backfilling the holes beneath the North Sea. " Back filling | |||
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"I haven't read the whole thread but one of the promises is to get everyone off gas boilers. Yeah like electric heating is more environmentally friendly?! People have to use 3times the energy to heat a home." That's why the electricity generating network is being decarbonised. | |||
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"China will do what China wants nothing will stop them " China met its 2020 carbon reduction target three years early. At the end of 2017, China had cut carbon dioxide emissions per unit of GDP by 46 percent from the 2005 level, fulfilling its commitment to reduce carbon emissions by 40 to 45 percent from the 2005 level by 2020. The Paris climate accord. | |||
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"China will do what China wants nothing will stop them China met its 2020 carbon reduction target three years early. At the end of 2017, China had cut carbon dioxide emissions per unit of GDP by 46 percent from the 2005 level, fulfilling its commitment to reduce carbon emissions by 40 to 45 percent from the 2005 level by 2020. The Paris climate accord." Do you know how they do it? | |||
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"What does everyone want .how can we afford thesecarbon cuts .how many car owners could afford electric cars .and how will the government replace the tax they get from diesel and petrol ...everything is going to increase in price ....let's look at India China. They produce more carbon than the rest of the world There are hundreds of millions of cattle in Argentina producing gas ....we are only a very small part of this" Maybe that's why the world needs leadership examples? | |||
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"What does everyone want .how can we afford thesecarbon cuts .how many car owners could afford electric cars .and how will the government replace the tax they get from diesel and petrol ...everything is going to increase in price ...." When it is killing tens of thousands of your fellow citizens a year, we will find a way. We did away with lead petrol, we did away with asbestos, we did away with exposing people to radioactivity for fun . . .the list is endless of things we got rid of once we realised how harmful they actually are. Burning fossil fuel is next. | |||
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"The latest 'expert' opinion on Brexit is that it will cost about £30 Billion a year, until new trade deals etc kick in.....and people are up in arms about the economic damage to the country.... The figures on achieving zero emmissions are about £70 Billion a year, 'no foreseeable economic benefit at all'... and yet those same people haven't batted an eyelid. No foreseeable economic benefit?!?! Do you live in a cave? Weather and climate related disasters have cost the world $650 billion in the last three years alone. And that's barely scratching the surface of overall costs. The figures and analysis is from the latest government report...not my words. But how much of the $217 B each year does the UK pay/ is the UK responsible for? Or are you saying that if we spend $90 Billion per year on reducing our 1.2% of the world's greenhouse emissions, we'll see a net economic benefit to the UK? When the cost to the whole world in climate related disasters is about $217 Billion each year? (1.2% of $217 B is a lot less than the $90 B we would be spending, by the way). Put another way, if it costs $90 Billion per year to eliminate 1.2% of the world's emissions, then it could cost upwards of $8 Trillion across the world, each year, to reduce world emissions to zero...to save $217 Billion each year. Total estimated cost of climate change? $54 trillion. " The cost for the world to reduce to zero is $8 Trillion....per year.....for 30 years..... $240 Trillion....Minimum. | |||
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"The latest 'expert' opinion on Brexit is that it will cost about £30 Billion a year, until new trade deals etc kick in.....and people are up in arms about the economic damage to the country.... The figures on achieving zero emmissions are about £70 Billion a year, 'no foreseeable economic benefit at all'... and yet those same people haven't batted an eyelid. No foreseeable economic benefit?!?! Do you live in a cave? Weather and climate related disasters have cost the world $650 billion in the last three years alone. And that's barely scratching the surface of overall costs. The figures and analysis is from the latest government report...not my words. But how much of the $217 B each year does the UK pay/ is the UK responsible for? Or are you saying that if we spend $90 Billion per year on reducing our 1.2% of the world's greenhouse emissions, we'll see a net economic benefit to the UK? When the cost to the whole world in climate related disasters is about $217 Billion each year? (1.2% of $217 B is a lot less than the $90 B we would be spending, by the way). Put another way, if it costs $90 Billion per year to eliminate 1.2% of the world's emissions, then it could cost upwards of $8 Trillion across the world, each year, to reduce world emissions to zero...to save $217 Billion each year. Total estimated cost of climate change? $54 trillion. The cost for the world to reduce to zero is $8 Trillion....per year.....for 30 years..... $240 Trillion....Minimum." What's the cost of war and mass migration over drought and loss of agricultural land and living space? | |||
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"Eighty quid?" Hilarious. Going rate of death through starvation? I assume that the cost through violence will be higher as it may require the use of weaponry. Adult, old person, child. Do you think that it won't happen? We have conflict in times of plenty due to greed alone. What happens when people are fighting for survival? You can play the shit stirrer all you like, but at some point you should contemplate the reality of things even if you don't write about it here. After all we are all stupid...yet here you are too... | |||
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""Only when the last tree has been cut down and the last fish caught and the last stream poisoned will we realise we cannot eat money." - Cree Indian Prophecy" and i for one will cry bitter tears of regret... imaging still being alive when that shit kicks off eh? Those prophets!!??....similar to that bible thingy. It had loads of prophets too. | |||
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""Only when the last tree has been cut down and the last fish caught and the last stream poisoned will we realise we cannot eat money." - Cree Indian Prophecy and i for one will cry bitter tears of regret... imaging still being alive when that shit kicks off eh? Those prophets!!??....similar to that bible thingy. It had loads of prophets too. " No flip flop wearing lost prophets of hypocrisy needed bro. It's already kicked off the whistles blown and we are carving up the hallowed turf. Rainforest the size of 2 football pitches are cut down every few minutes in Brazil .Were going to need fergie time to pull this one out the hat. | |||
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"Brazil needs loads of football pitches! They practise loads and are dead good. Like over here in ulster....we're not brazil we're northern ireland....but it's all the same to me!! Prophets like Al Gore you mean bob? Arctic ocean due to have no ice by 2014...still got it in abundance and growing as we speak because of the cold conditions in june. Or Obama...who announced 'i have fixed climate warming change (or something) ..." Growing? You think the ice at the arctic is growing? Er, no. The opposite. China and Russia both building up their fleets to take advantage of new sea routes. The rapid melt is also disturbing the eco-system and the ocean currents. Which in turn disturbs the weather patterns. | |||
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"Have a look at the real climate science...june is supposed to be the hottest period with the sun higher in the sky....causing the biggest melt. It's still snowing more than usual for this time of year and thus the melt is less than normal..." Where did you find this "real" climate science. Do you mean alt-science or in other words utter horse sh*t? | |||
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"Have a look at the real climate science...june is supposed to be the hottest period with the sun higher in the sky....causing the biggest melt. It's still snowing more than usual for this time of year and thus the melt is less than normal..." The Arctic area is warming at twice the speed as the rest of the world, unusually heavy snowfall and Extreme weather phenomena is exactly what the climate change models predict.more moisture in the atmosphere equals heavy falls .Its beyond doubt that the sea ice is thining to the tune of millions of square kilometres. .
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"Exactly bob? So al gore's well informed prediction that the north polar ice cap would be completely gone within 5 years was what exactly?...source...COP15 Climate Conference december 14 2008. As far as i'm aware it's still going strong....under all that extreme snowfall this summer... Just to flip up one example of the experts getting things wrong "Al gore isn't an expert. What's True In the late 2000s, Al Gore made a series of high-profile statements suggesting the possibility that Arctic sea ice could be completely gone during the summer by around 2013 or 2014. What's False Gore did not himself make these predictions but said (in some cases erroneously) that others had; Gore never referred to a year-long lack of ice for both poles, but instead largely referenced Arctic sea ice in the summer. | |||
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"Have a look at the real climate science...june is supposed to be the hottest period with the sun higher in the sky....causing the biggest melt. It's still snowing more than usual for this time of year and thus the melt is less than normal..." You really need to learn the difference between weather and climate | |||
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"Have a look at the real climate science...june is supposed to be the hottest period with the sun higher in the sky....causing the biggest melt. It's still snowing more than usual for this time of year and thus the melt is less than normal... You really need to learn the difference between weather and climate" Go on then... Enlighten me! What is the difference between global warming and climate change and the weather on a particular day or period... BTW Bob... Al gore may not have been an expert but he had at his disposal the experts from nasa and all the 97% of scientists that preach the cult of climatology... They know a thing or two what with their hockey stick graphs etc... | |||
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"Have a look at the real climate science...june is supposed to be the hottest period with the sun higher in the sky....causing the biggest melt. It's still snowing more than usual for this time of year and thus the melt is less than normal... You really need to learn the difference between weather and climate Go on then... Enlighten me! What is the difference between global warming and climate change and the weather on a particular day or period... BTW Bob... Al gore may not have been an expert but he had at his disposal the experts from nasa and all the 97% of scientists that preach the cult of climatology... They know a thing or two what with their hockey stick graphs etc... "The difference between weather and climate is the measure of time. Climate describes average conditions over longer periods of time and wider geographical areas....jeez they teach this stuff to 10 year olds | |||
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"Have a look at the real climate science...june is supposed to be the hottest period with the sun higher in the sky....causing the biggest melt. It's still snowing more than usual for this time of year and thus the melt is less than normal... You really need to learn the difference between weather and climate Go on then... Enlighten me! What is the difference between global warming and climate change and the weather on a particular day or period... BTW Bob... Al gore may not have been an expert but he had at his disposal the experts from nasa and all the 97% of scientists that preach the cult of climatology... They know a thing or two what with their hockey stick graphs etc... "Science tests models ,uncertainty is an integral part of it. It's a never ending process of discovery and refinement, it's not a destination of absolute truth. As I've said before the weather is outside your window the climate is a data point on a graph .The scientists tests models and make predictions they seek to correlate with observations It's not rocket science . | |||
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"Have a look at the real climate science...june is supposed to be the hottest period with the sun higher in the sky....causing the biggest melt. It's still snowing more than usual for this time of year and thus the melt is less than normal... You really need to learn the difference between weather and climate Go on then... Enlighten me! What is the difference between global warming and climate change and the weather on a particular day or period... BTW Bob... Al gore may not have been an expert but he had at his disposal the experts from nasa and all the 97% of scientists that preach the cult of climatology... They know a thing or two what with their hockey stick graphs etc...
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"While I personally think the target should be sooner the announcement today that the UK government is committing to net zero emissions by 2050 is something we should all be proud off regardless of other political views. A demonstration that this country can still lead the world when it chooses. Who wants to poop my party? " Great but 20 years too late. We'll all be fucked by then | |||
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"No...realclimatescience . Com... don't go there btw...if it disagrees with your own brand of horseshit then you might get triggered "Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Nice site. [Facepalm] | |||
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"It's net people!, read the small print. There hoping that somebody invents something sometime in the future that will capture Carbon from the atmosphere and bury it deep underground at the same rate for the next 100 years that we've digging it up at. At least the virtue signalling climate alarmists who frequent this forum will be guilt free from they're multitude flying and partying trips. Those who are genuine already know the real power is in there hands, they can stop driving, flying, eating meat, buying new clothes, moving house, visiting cities, playing golf, watching football, drinking alcohol, taking antibiotics right now today with no government law required, no mandate, no fines, just stop doing it?. Sadly I feel they can't but are unwilling to "own it" so they like to blame oil companies, Tories, capitalism or anybody but them. Can I plant a tree instead? We can all do something. We can all do more. This all or nothing attitude helps no-one. Every little helps. At least we can own our actions rather than play the victim card that we are only one person or country. Do people really say to dieters what's the point, you had a biscuit. Or do they accept some slip ups happen, but trying is better than giving up. " . Your analogy is wrong, it would be more like a Dieter eating 3 boxes of chocolates, a Chinese, three fast food takeaways, cakes, bacon butties, sausage chips and gravy and then buying 3 3 litre bottles of diet Coke!. However I see this pretty much every week in the Tesco checkout, if I come along take the porkpies away and say carry on love your almost there what a great start your making, all I'm actually giving them is false hope. Now I'm not saying we shouldn't try, I think getting off Carbon fossil fuels is great, personally I do as much as I can but let's not bullshit the fatties it's really not going to help. | |||
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So no matter how much you recycle there is always more plastic being produced.
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"Highest temperature ever recorded in Alaska yesterday - 32.2 degrees C. Seasonal average is 18. " Which city in alaska? | |||
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"Anchorage, among other places in the state" Which was the most northerly place in alaska where the high of 32.2c was recorded? | |||
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"Highest temperature ever recorded in Alaska yesterday - 32.2 degrees C. Seasonal average is 18. Which city in alaska? " No idea. But I do know that the northernmost town on the British mainland is closer to the north pole by 0.1 degrees than the capital of Alaska. | |||
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"The world was hotter thousands of years ago..and not a car or aeroplane or factory in sight" Think you need to know your glacial periods! | |||
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"Climate change is cyclical, get over it. Human actions have merely accelarated it slightly which is where the effects could come in because evolution may struggle to keep up. I do, however,believe in protecting the planets natural resources and everyone should do what they can to contribute." This is not true. | |||
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"The capital is anchorage where on July 4th they recorded an all time hi of 32.2c. On the 4th July 1936 in a town called Nome, which is approx 550 miles north of anchorage, recorded 30.4c. It's not uncommon to have days in alaska in the High 20s and low 30s" This is also not true. | |||
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"Climate change is cyclical, get over it. Human actions have merely accelarated it slightly which is where the effects could come in because evolution may struggle to keep up. I do, however,believe in protecting the planets natural resources and everyone should do what they can to contribute. This is not true." What bit is not true? It can't be climate change being cyclical, ice ages is the easiest way to prove that, but there is ample evidence of climate changing over prolonged periods. It can't be human actions accelerating climate change, because that is the main focus of climate change. It can't be that everyone should protect the planet's natural resources, questioning that would make you an even bigger moron than douting the other two points. | |||
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"Climate change is cyclical, get over it. Human actions have merely accelarated it slightly which is where the effects could come in because evolution may struggle to keep up. I do, however,believe in protecting the planets natural resources and everyone should do what they can to contribute. This is not true. What bit is not true? It can't be climate change being cyclical, ice ages is the easiest way to prove that, but there is ample evidence of climate changing over prolonged periods. It can't be human actions accelerating climate change, because that is the main focus of climate change. It can't be that everyone should protect the planet's natural resources, questioning that would make you an even bigger moron than douting the other two points." The natural cycle is over millennia. Our acceleration of it is not at the margins. We are changing the climate in a couple of centuries. We've completely changed the game. | |||
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"The capital is anchorage where on July 4th they recorded an all time hi of 32.2c. On the 4th July 1936 in a town called Nome, which is approx 550 miles north of anchorage, recorded 30.4c. It's not uncommon to have days in alaska in the High 20s and low 30s This is also not true." Which part isn't true? | |||
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"Check out this cheery weekly update from The British Government. Global Hazards Weekly Bulletin: 29th June - 5th July Canada Fire crews continue to battle forest fire as hazard reaches high, extreme in Ontario Wildfire forcing evacuation of Keewaywin First Nation in Ontario China Six killed, 190 injured after sudden tornado in Liaoning province Tornado tears through Chinese city of Kaiyuan - thousands evacuated Ecuador Evacuations in Ecuador After Rivers Overflow in Sucumbaos France Firefighters battle wildfires in France after temperatures hit 45.9C France Hit by Fires in South as Heatwave Reaches Peak Germany Hundreds evacuated as wildfire rages through eastern Germany German Wildfires Cause Old War Munitions to Explode Greece Greek wildfires: 4 more villages evacuated on Evia island Wildfire blazing through Evia Haiti More Flash Floods in Ouest Department Leave Several Dead Haiti - Floods - 5 dead, 3 people missing and significant damage India Hundreds Displaced in Assam as Rivers Rise Mumbai hit by worst rains since 2005, at least 27 people killed Death toll rises after walls collapse amid India monsoon rains Italy Italy volcano: eruption on island of Stromboli, evacuations begin One dead, several injured or missing after Stromboli volcano eruption Japan More than 1.09 million residents in Kyushu ordered to evacuate as torrential rains continue Rains ease in southern Japan but landslide risks persist as death toll rises to two Papua New Guinea Papua New Guinea volcanic eruptions force 15,000 from their homes Thousands displaced in Papua New Guinea following double volcanic eruptions Russia Massive damage after worst floods in history hit Irkutsk region of Siberia, Russia Death toll in Irkutsk Region flood climbs to 21, 14 people still missing Spain Spain hit by more wildfires as heatwave continues Spain wildfire triggers more evacuations Taiwan Two hurt, thousands without power as tornado hits southern Taiwan Tornado leaves 7,400 without power in Pingtung, Taiwan Thailand Tropical storm Mun brings heavy rains, strong winds to Thailand United States of America Southern California shaken by 6.4 magnitude earthquake California earthquake: Fires, rock slides as aftershocks rattle communities Nearly 100,000 without power as severe thunderstorms hit Chicago, Illinois Vietnam Two dead in road collapse as Tropical Storm Mun makes landfall in Vietnam Vietnam - Tropical Depression MUN update (ECHO Daily Flash) " Are we to attribute volcanoes, earthquakes, forest fire & land slips to global warming now? | |||
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"Check out this cheery weekly update from The British Government. Global Hazards Weekly Bulletin: 29th June - 5th July Canada Fire crews continue to battle forest fire as hazard reaches high, extreme in Ontario Wildfire forcing evacuation of Keewaywin First Nation in Ontario China Six killed, 190 injured after sudden tornado in Liaoning province Tornado tears through Chinese city of Kaiyuan - thousands evacuated Ecuador Evacuations in Ecuador After Rivers Overflow in Sucumbaos France Firefighters battle wildfires in France after temperatures hit 45.9C France Hit by Fires in South as Heatwave Reaches Peak Germany Hundreds evacuated as wildfire rages through eastern Germany German Wildfires Cause Old War Munitions to Explode Greece Greek wildfires: 4 more villages evacuated on Evia island Wildfire blazing through Evia Haiti More Flash Floods in Ouest Department Leave Several Dead Haiti - Floods - 5 dead, 3 people missing and significant damage India Hundreds Displaced in Assam as Rivers Rise Mumbai hit by worst rains since 2005, at least 27 people killed Death toll rises after walls collapse amid India monsoon rains Italy Italy volcano: eruption on island of Stromboli, evacuations begin One dead, several injured or missing after Stromboli volcano eruption Japan More than 1.09 million residents in Kyushu ordered to evacuate as torrential rains continue Rains ease in southern Japan but landslide risks persist as death toll rises to two Papua New Guinea Papua New Guinea volcanic eruptions force 15,000 from their homes Thousands displaced in Papua New Guinea following double volcanic eruptions Russia Massive damage after worst floods in history hit Irkutsk region of Siberia, Russia Death toll in Irkutsk Region flood climbs to 21, 14 people still missing Spain Spain hit by more wildfires as heatwave continues Spain wildfire triggers more evacuations Taiwan Two hurt, thousands without power as tornado hits southern Taiwan Tornado leaves 7,400 without power in Pingtung, Taiwan Thailand Tropical storm Mun brings heavy rains, strong winds to Thailand United States of America Southern California shaken by 6.4 magnitude earthquake California earthquake: Fires, rock slides as aftershocks rattle communities Nearly 100,000 without power as severe thunderstorms hit Chicago, Illinois Vietnam Two dead in road collapse as Tropical Storm Mun makes landfall in Vietnam Vietnam - Tropical Depression MUN update (ECHO Daily Flash) Are we to attribute volcanoes, earthquakes, forest fire & land slips to global warming now? " No but we could help it along . Just a theory of mine but could be argued a very interesting one . From 1960 to 1996, France carried out 210 nuclear tests, 17 in the Algerian Sahara and 193 in French Polynesia in the South Pacific, symbolised by the images of a mushroom cloud over the Mururoa atoll. For decades, France argued that the controlled explosions were clean. Jacques Chirac, the French president, controversially resumed nuclear atoll explosions in the South Pacific shortly after being elected in 1995. There is a lot of Evidence to suggest the French testing has left so much plutonium floating around . Since 1945 there have been 2000 + Nuclear explosions on this planet . Who knows what they have done or triggered . Where is the highest threat of tsunami ? French polynesian islands where were the last French Nuclear tests ? The French polynesian Atolls . Who know what the scientists & Governments have been watching for the last 30 years or so ? Still it is just a theory Link below for Nuclear testing timeline . Its quite a sanitiesed look at something potentially horrific https://youtu.be/LLCF7vPanrY | |||
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"For years the climate deniers have stated the sun drives weather here on planet earth something that science has shown to be false,Yet just like flat earthers they persist with their wilfully agenda. Luckily we've just started the suns grand solar minimum and it's time put to bed this Climate denier bollocks because we should be seeing significant drops in global temperatures from 2020 onwards . More data points on the graph . "Is this the end of global warming? Happy fukkin' days!! I'm off to get my V8 Maseratti out of the garage! | |||
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"For years the climate deniers have stated the sun drives weather here on planet earth something that science has shown to be false,Yet just like flat earthers they persist with their wilfully agenda. Luckily we've just started the suns grand solar minimum and it's time put to bed this Climate denier bollocks because we should be seeing significant drops in global temperatures from 2020 onwards . More data points on the graph .
Is this the end of global warming?
Happy fukkin' days!! I'm off to get my V8 Maseratti out of the garage! "Of course dude your gang has been saying it's all down to the sun for decades .Unfortunately you can't have it both ways .If the increase in temperature is down to the sun then a huge drop is on its way .If it doesn't happen your gang looks like lemons . You know what they say put all your money on the solar maximum as the cause of Climate change lose it all on the solar minimum . Winter is coming ... | |||
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"Your gang the climate change deniers are the ones that first offered up vulcanism as the cause of the ongoing temperature anomalies then you lemons offered up the sun as the cause.You lemons said it was down to sun cycles .Theres an 11 year cycle and 22 year cycle.The sun is now in its soar minimum .(No activity ).So according to the climate deniers like yourself popper we should be getting cooler summers and colder winters this coming decade. Let's see if the tin foil brigade are right and a little ice age is on it's way...
"The climate is always changing Bob. Nobody denies that and certainly not me. But is it down to solar activity, range rovers, cow farts, lynx cans and fridges destroying the ozone layer or just because you religious nut jobs say 'reasons'? However now you and your clergy say that the earth is cooling? What is it then Robert? Is the earth temperature warming or cooling? Are the UV sun rays melting the glaciers and ice caps or aren't they? Will the sea level rise to catastrophic levels or not? Like every other religion your mentally unstable cult is contradicting itself all the time and making wildly inaccurate prophecies year on year! And just so you know incase you didn't.... The earth is globe shaped and tinfoil hasn't any provable effect in the defence of lazerbeams from outerspace. How is your mate Alex Jones these days anyway | |||
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You truly are the son of God. And you look awesome in your turquoise shell suit | |||
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"Spoken like a true David ike Bob. Keep the faith!!
You truly are the son of God. And you look awesome in your turquoise shell suit "I would stop illegally siphoning the red diesel my friend the fumes are fucking with your brain.Which is probably why your a tin foil climate denier. Wrap up warm fella your fellow brothers of the climate foil say it's going to very get cold very soon. | |||
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"Climate change is cyclical, get over it. Human actions have merely accelarated it slightly which is where the effects could come in because evolution may struggle to keep up. I do, however,believe in protecting the planets natural resources and everyone should do what they can to contribute. This is not true. What bit is not true? It can't be climate change being cyclical, ice ages is the easiest way to prove that, but there is ample evidence of climate changing over prolonged periods. It can't be human actions accelerating climate change, because that is the main focus of climate change. It can't be that everyone should protect the planet's natural resources, questioning that would make you an even bigger moron than douting the other two points." Go look at the actual evidence of the magnitude and speed of climate change caused by humans. Once you've done that we can have a conversation. | |||
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"Check out this cheery weekly update from The British Government. Global Hazards Weekly Bulletin: 29th June - 5th July Canada Fire crews continue to battle forest fire as hazard reaches high, extreme in Ontario Wildfire forcing evacuation of Keewaywin First Nation in Ontario China Six killed, 190 injured after sudden tornado in Liaoning province Tornado tears through Chinese city of Kaiyuan - thousands evacuated Ecuador Evacuations in Ecuador After Rivers Overflow in Sucumbaos France Firefighters battle wildfires in France after temperatures hit 45.9C France Hit by Fires in South as Heatwave Reaches Peak Germany Hundreds evacuated as wildfire rages through eastern Germany German Wildfires Cause Old War Munitions to Explode Greece Greek wildfires: 4 more villages evacuated on Evia island Wildfire blazing through Evia Haiti More Flash Floods in Ouest Department Leave Several Dead Haiti - Floods - 5 dead, 3 people missing and significant damage India Hundreds Displaced in Assam as Rivers Rise Mumbai hit by worst rains since 2005, at least 27 people killed Death toll rises after walls collapse amid India monsoon rains Italy Italy volcano: eruption on island of Stromboli, evacuations begin One dead, several injured or missing after Stromboli volcano eruption Japan More than 1.09 million residents in Kyushu ordered to evacuate as torrential rains continue Rains ease in southern Japan but landslide risks persist as death toll rises to two Papua New Guinea Papua New Guinea volcanic eruptions force 15,000 from their homes Thousands displaced in Papua New Guinea following double volcanic eruptions Russia Massive damage after worst floods in history hit Irkutsk region of Siberia, Russia Death toll in Irkutsk Region flood climbs to 21, 14 people still missing Spain Spain hit by more wildfires as heatwave continues Spain wildfire triggers more evacuations Taiwan Two hurt, thousands without power as tornado hits southern Taiwan Tornado leaves 7,400 without power in Pingtung, Taiwan Thailand Tropical storm Mun brings heavy rains, strong winds to Thailand United States of America Southern California shaken by 6.4 magnitude earthquake California earthquake: Fires, rock slides as aftershocks rattle communities Nearly 100,000 without power as severe thunderstorms hit Chicago, Illinois Vietnam Two dead in road collapse as Tropical Storm Mun makes landfall in Vietnam Vietnam - Tropical Depression MUN update (ECHO Daily Flash) Are we to attribute volcanoes, earthquakes, forest fire & land slips to global warming now? " A) the majority of these events are climate related B) there is evidence to suggest that the weight of melting ice is so great it's interacting with tectonic action to cause more quakes. | |||
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"Check out this cheery weekly update from The British Government. Global Hazards Weekly Bulletin: 29th June - 5th July Canada Fire crews continue to battle forest fire as hazard reaches high, extreme in Ontario Wildfire forcing evacuation of Keewaywin First Nation in Ontario China Six killed, 190 injured after sudden tornado in Liaoning province Tornado tears through Chinese city of Kaiyuan - thousands evacuated Ecuador Evacuations in Ecuador After Rivers Overflow in Sucumbaos France Firefighters battle wildfires in France after temperatures hit 45.9C France Hit by Fires in South as Heatwave Reaches Peak Germany Hundreds evacuated as wildfire rages through eastern Germany German Wildfires Cause Old War Munitions to Explode Greece Greek wildfires: 4 more villages evacuated on Evia island Wildfire blazing through Evia Haiti More Flash Floods in Ouest Department Leave Several Dead Haiti - Floods - 5 dead, 3 people missing and significant damage India Hundreds Displaced in Assam as Rivers Rise Mumbai hit by worst rains since 2005, at least 27 people killed Death toll rises after walls collapse amid India monsoon rains Italy Italy volcano: eruption on island of Stromboli, evacuations begin One dead, several injured or missing after Stromboli volcano eruption Japan More than 1.09 million residents in Kyushu ordered to evacuate as torrential rains continue Rains ease in southern Japan but landslide risks persist as death toll rises to two Papua New Guinea Papua New Guinea volcanic eruptions force 15,000 from their homes Thousands displaced in Papua New Guinea following double volcanic eruptions Russia Massive damage after worst floods in history hit Irkutsk region of Siberia, Russia Death toll in Irkutsk Region flood climbs to 21, 14 people still missing Spain Spain hit by more wildfires as heatwave continues Spain wildfire triggers more evacuations Taiwan Two hurt, thousands without power as tornado hits southern Taiwan Tornado leaves 7,400 without power in Pingtung, Taiwan Thailand Tropical storm Mun brings heavy rains, strong winds to Thailand United States of America Southern California shaken by 6.4 magnitude earthquake California earthquake: Fires, rock slides as aftershocks rattle communities Nearly 100,000 without power as severe thunderstorms hit Chicago, Illinois Vietnam Two dead in road collapse as Tropical Storm Mun makes landfall in Vietnam Vietnam - Tropical Depression MUN update (ECHO Daily Flash) Are we to attribute volcanoes, earthquakes, forest fire & land slips to global warming now? " Ps. Forest fires are definitely linked to climate change. | |||
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"The capital is anchorage where on July 4th they recorded an all time hi of 32.2c. On the 4th July 1936 in a town called Nome, which is approx 550 miles north of anchorage, recorded 30.4c. It's not uncommon to have days in alaska in the High 20s and low 30s This is also not true. Which part isn't true? " The commonality of high temperatures | |||
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"Check out this cheery weekly update from The British Government. Global Hazards Weekly Bulletin: 29th June - 5th July Canada Fire crews continue to battle forest fire as hazard reaches high, extreme in Ontario Wildfire forcing evacuation of Keewaywin First Nation in Ontario China Six killed, 190 injured after sudden tornado in Liaoning province Tornado tears through Chinese city of Kaiyuan - thousands evacuated Ecuador Evacuations in Ecuador After Rivers Overflow in Sucumbaos France Firefighters battle wildfires in France after temperatures hit 45.9C France Hit by Fires in South as Heatwave Reaches Peak Germany Hundreds evacuated as wildfire rages through eastern Germany German Wildfires Cause Old War Munitions to Explode Greece Greek wildfires: 4 more villages evacuated on Evia island Wildfire blazing through Evia Haiti More Flash Floods in Ouest Department Leave Several Dead Haiti - Floods - 5 dead, 3 people missing and significant damage India Hundreds Displaced in Assam as Rivers Rise Mumbai hit by worst rains since 2005, at least 27 people killed Death toll rises after walls collapse amid India monsoon rains Italy Italy volcano: eruption on island of Stromboli, evacuations begin One dead, several injured or missing after Stromboli volcano eruption Japan More than 1.09 million residents in Kyushu ordered to evacuate as torrential rains continue Rains ease in southern Japan but landslide risks persist as death toll rises to two Papua New Guinea Papua New Guinea volcanic eruptions force 15,000 from their homes Thousands displaced in Papua New Guinea following double volcanic eruptions Russia Massive damage after worst floods in history hit Irkutsk region of Siberia, Russia Death toll in Irkutsk Region flood climbs to 21, 14 people still missing Spain Spain hit by more wildfires as heatwave continues Spain wildfire triggers more evacuations Taiwan Two hurt, thousands without power as tornado hits southern Taiwan Tornado leaves 7,400 without power in Pingtung, Taiwan Thailand Tropical storm Mun brings heavy rains, strong winds to Thailand United States of America Southern California shaken by 6.4 magnitude earthquake California earthquake: Fires, rock slides as aftershocks rattle communities Nearly 100,000 without power as severe thunderstorms hit Chicago, Illinois Vietnam Two dead in road collapse as Tropical Storm Mun makes landfall in Vietnam Vietnam - Tropical Depression MUN update (ECHO Daily Flash) Are we to attribute volcanoes, earthquakes, forest fire & land slips to global warming now? Ps. Forest fires are definitely linked to climate change." Pps. As are many landslips | |||
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"The capital is anchorage where on July 4th they recorded an all time hi of 32.2c. On the 4th July 1936 in a town called Nome, which is approx 550 miles north of anchorage, recorded 30.4c. It's not uncommon to have days in alaska in the High 20s and low 30s This is also not true. Which part isn't true? The commonality of high temperatures " On July 5th? I think you'll find that that time of year has had several recordings of high 20s and low 30s. Obviously in Dec, Jan, Feb it is lower. Also you might want to check out the state of the glaciers... Especially in glacier national park Montana. Signs went up around 2010/11 stating that the glaciers would be 'gone by 2020'....actually they were gone by 2019.....the signs were gone but the glaciers are thriving | |||
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"Theres an organisation called .'The world glacier monitoring service' which has a great chart that shows almost all of the planets glaciers in retreat. "I hope they are also watching Peppy... | |||
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"Climate change is cyclical, get over it. Human actions have merely accelarated it slightly which is where the effects could come in because evolution may struggle to keep up. I do, however,believe in protecting the planets natural resources and everyone should do what they can to contribute. This is not true. What bit is not true? It can't be climate change being cyclical, ice ages is the easiest way to prove that, but there is ample evidence of climate changing over prolonged periods. It can't be human actions accelerating climate change, because that is the main focus of climate change. It can't be that everyone should protect the planet's natural resources, questioning that would make you an even bigger moron than douting the other two points. Go look at the actual evidence of the magnitude and speed of climate change caused by humans. Once you've done that we can have a conversation." Read my post, I said humans accelerated it Proves my point in point 3 as to what doubting it would make you | |||
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"Theres an organisation called .'The world glacier monitoring service' which has a great chart that shows almost all of the planets glaciers in retreat. "The planets or the planet's? It could well be the case that glaciers are decreasing on Mars or venus or whatever planet you come from Bob.... But I'm only concerned with the ones on my home planet of earth. You flippin' other worldly conspitards coming over here, spouting your propaganda, taking our jobs, dozens to a house, taking our wimmin, thriving on our home grown C02..... The whole world knows you shot Kennedy on the moon with wmd's during 911. Get back to your own planet!! | |||
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"The capital is anchorage where on July 4th they recorded an all time hi of 32.2c. On the 4th July 1936 in a town called Nome, which is approx 550 miles north of anchorage, recorded 30.4c. It's not uncommon to have days in alaska in the High 20s and low 30s This is also not true. Which part isn't true? The commonality of high temperatures On July 5th? I think you'll find that that time of year has had several recordings of high 20s and low 30s. Obviously in Dec, Jan, Feb it is lower. Also you might want to check out the state of the glaciers... Especially in glacier national park Montana. Signs went up around 2010/11 stating that the glaciers would be 'gone by 2020'....actually they were gone by 2019.....the signs were gone but the glaciers are thriving "You know you can probably find at least one person who doesn't get fat no matter what they eat. | |||
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