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over a year ago
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"They were the only (ukip don't count anymore) pro-brexit party there, so it was going to happen. Hardly a shock."
It it still is when you see it on paper... |
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over a year ago
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"They were the only (ukip don't count anymore) pro-brexit party there, so it was going to happen. Hardly a shock.
It it still is when you see it on paper..."
I've only seen it online so far 
The whole thing is about to become even more farcical now  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They were the only (ukip don't count anymore) pro-brexit party there, so it was going to happen. Hardly a shock.
It it still is when you see it on paper... I've only seen it online so far
The whole thing is about to become even more farcical now "
You think?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They were the only (ukip don't count anymore) pro-brexit party there, so it was going to happen. Hardly a shock.
It it still is when you see it on paper... I've only seen it online so far
The whole thing is about to become even more farcical now
You think? "
Absofuckinglutely |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They were the only (ukip don't count anymore) pro-brexit party there, so it was going to happen. Hardly a shock.
It it still is when you see it on paper... I've only seen it online so far
The whole thing is about to become even more farcical now
You think?
Absofuckinglutely"
And while we’re all squabbling like little kids I wonder what really important issues will be dealt with quickly, quietly and of course, unfairly. Sigh. Ship of fools. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
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Thank you for doing the maths. I couldn't be bothered.
If this is a copy and paste job, thanks for not adding the grinning nige pic |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
A strong vote for Remain. "
There will be a split of leave/remain who are hardcore con and lab voters too. We're a divided nation  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
A strong vote for Remain.
There will be a split of leave/remain who are hardcore con and lab voters too. We're a divided nation "
We’re a ship of fools and the rich rats have already either abandoned or made contingency plans to abandon us.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
A strong vote for Remain. "
If that was the case at least one of those Remain parties would have smashed it like The Brexit Party has, but it was split across different parties. You lost, again, suck it up  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"More people signed the petition to revoke Article 50 than voted for the Brexit party.
Many were not genuine. Easy to fake any online poll."
Many many were though. It's easy to make bullshit promises and player them on the side of a bus too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
A strong vote for Remain.
If that was the case at least one of those Remain parties would have smashed it like The Brexit Party has, but it was split across different parties. You lost, again, suck it up "
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By *elshyXOMan
over a year ago
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"Looks like Nige walked it!"
Would have been more a shock if he didnt walk it really. His “party” (the one with no manifesto or long term plan) lobbied themselves as the brexiteers protest vote. With UKIP in self destruct he had the entirity of the Brexit vote to go for. The fact the Remain vote was split & took around 40% says a lot though.
We need a peoples vote. |
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over a year ago
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
A strong vote for Remain.
If that was the case at least one of those Remain parties would have smashed it like The Brexit Party has, but it was split across different parties. You lost, again, suck it up "
So let’s put it to a referendum. |
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By *elshyXOMan
over a year ago
Newcastle |
"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
A strong vote for Remain.
If that was the case at least one of those Remain parties would have smashed it like The Brexit Party has, but it was split across different parties. You lost, again, suck it up "
Youve entirely missed the point, the Brexit vote wasnt split, the Remain vote is since there were more than one party backing a second referrendum or Brexit alternative |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"More people signed the petition to revoke Article 50 than voted for the Brexit party.
Many were not genuine. Easy to fake any online poll.
Many many were though. It's easy to make bullshit promises and player them on the side of a bus too."
The Remain side in comparison THREATENED the benefits of the disabled and elderly if they voted Leave. They claimed out economy and house prices would crash. Food prices would go through the roof. Violent crime and terrorism would increase. World War 3 would happen....all in all a disgusting bundle of lies and threats from europhiles but people saw through the crap thankfully |
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By *elshyXOMan
over a year ago
Newcastle |
"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
A strong vote for Remain.
If that was the case at least one of those Remain parties would have smashed it like The Brexit Party has, but it was split across different parties. You lost, again, suck it up
So let’s put it to a referendum. "
Precisely, if as the Brexit lot like to remind us, that Brexit really is the will of the people, why are they so opposed to another vote, surely, by their own logic they should welcome it so they can win it again |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
A strong vote for Remain.
If that was the case at least one of those Remain parties would have smashed it like The Brexit Party has, but it was split across different parties. You lost, again, suck it up
So let’s put it to a referendum. "
Why? We already had one and you are not accepting the first so why a second?
Suck it up people, we are leaving |
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By *elshyXOMan
over a year ago
Newcastle |
"More people signed the petition to revoke Article 50 than voted for the Brexit party.
Many were not genuine. Easy to fake any online poll.
Many many were though. It's easy to make bullshit promises and player them on the side of a bus too.
The Remain side in comparison THREATENED the benefits of the disabled and elderly if they voted Leave. They claimed out economy and house prices would crash. Food prices would go through the roof. Violent crime and terrorism would increase. World War 3 would happen....all in all a disgusting bundle of lies and threats from europhiles but people saw through the crap thankfully "
Yeah, youre totally right, because we havent even left the EU yet, the pound has consistently tanked, fuel prices have steadily rose & with plant cutbacks & closures due to EU based uncertainty, its cost around 20,000 front line jobs (this is before weve even left remember). |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Referendum turn out 72%
Euro elections turn out 38%
Seems a lot of Brexit voters didn't turn out because this election should not have taken place ."
I agree on that point, less voters but similarish results |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The remoaners would still sulk if we had five votes and they lost the lot of them. One vote is enough accept democracy and grow up "
by your logic when we joined the EU the Eurosceptics should've accepted that result, but you didn't, so why should it be any different now?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
A strong vote for Remain.
If that was the case at least one of those Remain parties would have smashed it like The Brexit Party has, but it was split across different parties. You lost, again, suck it up
So let’s put it to a referendum.
Why? We already had one and you are not accepting the first so why a second?
Suck it up people, we are leaving "
So why are you so dead set against a second referendum? Surely it will confirm your position and we can move on without ambiguity?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The remoaners would still sulk if we had five votes and they lost the lot of them. One vote is enough accept democracy and grow up by your logic when we joined the EU the Eurosceptics should've accepted that result, but you didn't, so why should it be any different now?"
That vote happened before a lot of people were old enough to vote. Also we have had years in Europe to make a choice now. The people who voted leave still haven’t got what they voted for yet two years later |
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By *elshyXOMan
over a year ago
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"Referendum turn out 72%
Euro elections turn out 38%
Seems a lot of Brexit voters didn't turn out because this election should not have taken place ."
Thats actually a high voter turn out for European Elections |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The remoaners would still sulk if we had five votes and they lost the lot of them. One vote is enough accept democracy and grow up by your logic when we joined the EU the Eurosceptics should've accepted that result, but you didn't, so why should it be any different now?
That vote happened before a lot of people were old enough to vote. Also we have had years in Europe to make a choice now. The people who voted leave still haven’t got what they voted for yet two years later "
Every vote takes place before a proportion of people who it will affect can vote, so i don't see your point there. As far as I'm aware there wasn't a vote by the people to join the EU. |
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By *ave 42Man
over a year ago
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"More people signed the petition to revoke Article 50 than voted for the Brexit party.
Many were not genuine. Easy to fake any online poll.
Many many were though. It's easy to make bullshit promises and player them on the side of a bus too.
The Remain side in comparison THREATENED the benefits of the disabled and elderly if they voted Leave. They claimed out economy and house prices would crash. Food prices would go through the roof. Violent crime and terrorism would increase. World War 3 would happen....all in all a disgusting bundle of lies and threats from europhiles but people saw through the crap thankfully
Yeah, youre totally right, because we havent even left the EU yet, the pound has consistently tanked, fuel prices have steadily rose & with plant cutbacks & closures due to EU based uncertainty, its cost around 20,000 front line jobs (this is before weve even left remember). "
Sorry but fuel prices have fk all to do with Brexit |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The remoaners would still sulk if we had five votes and they lost the lot of them. One vote is enough accept democracy and grow up by your logic when we joined the EU the Eurosceptics should've accepted that result, but you didn't, so why should it be any different now?
That vote happened before a lot of people were old enough to vote. Also we have had years in Europe to make a choice now. The people who voted leave still haven’t got what they voted for yet two years later "
Every vote takes place before a proportion of people who it will affect can vote, so i don't see your point there. As far as I'm aware there wasn't a vote by the people to join the EU.
Anyway, going back, why didn't the leavers just accept we are in the EU, so live with it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"More people signed the petition to revoke Article 50 than voted for the Brexit party.
Many were not genuine. Easy to fake any online poll.
Many many were though. It's easy to make bullshit promises and player them on the side of a bus too.
The Remain side in comparison THREATENED the benefits of the disabled and elderly if they voted Leave. They claimed out economy and house prices would crash. Food prices would go through the roof. Violent crime and terrorism would increase. World War 3 would happen....all in all a disgusting bundle of lies and threats from europhiles but people saw through the crap thankfully
Yeah, youre totally right, because we havent even left the EU yet, the pound has consistently tanked, fuel prices have steadily rose & with plant cutbacks & closures due to EU based uncertainty, its cost around 20,000 front line jobs (this is before weve even left remember).
Sorry but fuel prices have fk all to do with Brexit"
other points remain valid though |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The remoaners would still sulk if we had five votes and they lost the lot of them. One vote is enough accept democracy and grow up by your logic when we joined the EU the Eurosceptics should've accepted that result, but you didn't, so why should it be any different now?
That vote happened before a lot of people were old enough to vote. Also we have had years in Europe to make a choice now. The people who voted leave still haven’t got what they voted for yet two years later
Every vote takes place before a proportion of people who it will affect can vote, so i don't see your point there. As far as I'm aware there wasn't a vote by the people to join the EU. "
I thought the U.K. did? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
A strong vote for Remain. "
You need to know how many eu citizens living in the uk voted my guess is they would have voted for a remain party,these people cannot vote in a referendum or general election.Also my guess is a lot of leave voters didnt even vote.If this had been a 1st past the post like a general election leave would have walked it. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"You need to know how many eu citizens living in the uk voted my guess is they would have voted for a remain party,these people cannot vote in a referendum or general election.Also my guess is a lot of leave voters didnt even vote.If this had been a 1st past the post like a general election leave would have walked it. "
An unknown number of EU citizens were deprived of a vote in the UK.
I suspect the Electoral Commission will investigate.
It appears councils were unprepared for the election - after all, no-one expected the UK to be taking part.
Consider, too, how staffing in councils has been slashed by the Conservative Party.
So the registration process for EU citizens living in the UK did not kick in time.
It's unknown how many were unable to vote, but there's a lot of evidence across social media of people being denied a vote.
It sends out a terrible message, really. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The remoaners would still sulk if we had five votes and they lost the lot of them. One vote is enough accept democracy and grow up by your logic when we joined the EU the Eurosceptics should've accepted that result, but you didn't, so why should it be any different now?
That vote happened before a lot of people were old enough to vote. Also we have had years in Europe to make a choice now. The people who voted leave still haven’t got what they voted for yet two years later
Every vote takes place before a proportion of people who it will affect can vote, so i don't see your point there. As far as I'm aware there wasn't a vote by the people to join the EU.
I thought the U.K. did?"
I stand corrected  |
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By *elshyXOMan
over a year ago
Newcastle |
"More people signed the petition to revoke Article 50 than voted for the Brexit party.
Many were not genuine. Easy to fake any online poll.
Many many were though. It's easy to make bullshit promises and player them on the side of a bus too.
The Remain side in comparison THREATENED the benefits of the disabled and elderly if they voted Leave. They claimed out economy and house prices would crash. Food prices would go through the roof. Violent crime and terrorism would increase. World War 3 would happen....all in all a disgusting bundle of lies and threats from europhiles but people saw through the crap thankfully
Yeah, youre totally right, because we havent even left the EU yet, the pound has consistently tanked, fuel prices have steadily rose & with plant cutbacks & closures due to EU based uncertainty, its cost around 20,000 front line jobs (this is before weve even left remember).
Sorry but fuel prices have fk all to do with Brexit"
Oil prices are sold in dollars so the exchange rate fluctuations determine the price of fuel/oil on the exchange between the £ & $ |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
A strong vote for Remain. You need to know how many eu citizens living in the uk voted my guess is they would have voted for a remain party,these people cannot vote in a referendum or general election.Also my guess is a lot of leave voters didnt even vote.If this had been a 1st past the post like a general election leave would have walked it. "
you must of bit the bit on thursday where it looks like thousands upon thousands of EU nationals haven't been able to vote in these elections because they were not put on the electoral rolls in time due to the lateness of the uk confirming these elections...... so please don't use that as they excuse... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
A strong vote for Remain. You need to know how many eu citizens living in the uk voted my guess is they would have voted for a remain party,these people cannot vote in a referendum or general election.Also my guess is a lot of leave voters didnt even vote.If this had been a 1st past the post like a general election leave would have walked it.
you must of bit the bit on thursday where it looks like thousands upon thousands of EU nationals haven't been able to vote in these elections because they were not put on the electoral rolls in time due to the lateness of the uk confirming these elections...... so please don't use that as they excuse..."
Im not making excuses the brexit party walked it and as i said if it was the 1st past the post like a general election they would have wiped the board. |
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So if there was a general election tomorrow (I know it won’t happen in reality) but based on today’s figures how do you think the pint swigger would do? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"So if there was a general election tomorrow (I know it won’t happen in reality) but based on today’s figures how do you think the pint swigger would do?"
well based on the figures last night i think he would end up pm.
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By *elshyXOMan
over a year ago
Newcastle |
"So if there was a general election tomorrow (I know it won’t happen in reality) but based on today’s figures how do you think the pint swigger would do?"
Genuinely not that good. His party dont have a manifesto or long term vision so wouldnt be a viable candidate going forward. If you based the manifesto on what he’s said their priority would be leaving the EU in the worst financial way possible, a change in gun laws, mass deportation (the cost of whom will fall to the British people) & the privatisation of the NHS.
A large portion of his anti-EU backers would also desert them to go back to Lib/Lab/Con such is the nature of our political system |
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"So if there was a general election tomorrow (I know it won’t happen in reality) but based on today’s figures how do you think the pint swigger would do?well based on the figures last night i think he would end up pm."
I’m not sure if it’s goid or not |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"So if there was a general election tomorrow (I know it won’t happen in reality) but based on today’s figures how do you think the pint swigger would do?well based on the figures last night i think he would end up pm.
I’m not sure if it’s goid or not "
Nor me but it was a hypothetical question anyway  |
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over a year ago
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"So if there was a general election tomorrow (I know it won’t happen in reality) but based on today’s figures how do you think the pint swigger would do?well based on the figures last night i think he would end up pm.
I’m not sure if it’s goid or not Nor me but it was a hypothetical question anyway "
I think it’s just the frustration of the people coming through.
In reality like someone said earlier in a real election people would most likely vote with their usual parties, everybody knew this didn’t really mean anything.
So they spoke with their feet and made a point.
I’d be interested in hearing what Corbyn and May have to say. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"So if there was a general election tomorrow (I know it won’t happen in reality) but based on today’s figures how do you think the pint swigger would do?well based on the figures last night i think he would end up pm.
I’m not sure if it’s goid or not Nor me but it was a hypothetical question anyway
I think it’s just the frustration of the people coming through.
In reality like someone said earlier in a real election people would most likely vote with their usual parties, everybody knew this didn’t really mean anything.
So they spoke with their feet and made a point.
I’d be interested in hearing what Corbyn and May have to say."
Personally i think the tories will go the way of no deal to try and regain the brexit voters and labour will go the way of staying in to get back votes they lost to the liberals and greens.The problem is they both stand to lose their voters who are opposed to that position its worrying times for both of them. |
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over a year ago
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I think that now we have had the Mep elections it will give companies a more clear direction of where they will be going.
Unfortunately it will be the opposite direction away from the UK |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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" as i said if it was the 1st past the post like a general election they would have wiped the board."
No. I do not believe to be true.
The two voting systems are very different.
In the Euros, every vote counts.
In a General Election, most do not.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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TBP vote share is only slightly bigger than ukip last time around. And they hardly pulled trees in the GE (albeit as the tories had a referendum pledge)
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
Where do you get your 40.4 %from?"
I'd guess lib dems plus green, change, snp and plaid who all stood on a remain ticket.
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
A strong vote for Remain.
There will be a split of leave/remain who are hardcore con and lab voters too. We're a divided nation "
Ironic that the whole thing was designed to prevent a split in the conservative party, and it's managed to split the conservative party, the labour party, parliament and the country.
Meanwhile it's done nothing for the average person in the street other than cause arguments and fall outs.
The people who have benefited so far are the spivs in the city who make cash out of currency fluctuations.
Wonder how much Herr Farage has made? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"So if there was a general election tomorrow (I know it won’t happen in reality) but based on today’s figures how do you think the pint swigger would do?"
doesn't have a manifesto... would be picked to pieces, all his old bits about the nhs for example would be brought back to haunt him...
even if he pitched the party as "tory-lite".... they you cannablise that vote... it would be fun because you may let labour and the lib dems won places they wouldn't normally do..... |
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"So if there was a general election tomorrow (I know it won’t happen in reality) but based on today’s figures how do you think the pint swigger would do?
doesn't have a manifesto... would be picked to pieces, all his old bits about the nhs for example would be brought back to haunt him...
even if he pitched the party as "tory-lite".... they you cannablise that vote... it would be fun because you may let labour and the lib dems won places they wouldn't normally do..... "
I do wonder how well all his MP candidates would do singing off his hymn sheet when it moves from being just one note. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"So if there was a general election tomorrow (I know it won’t happen in reality) but based on today’s figures how do you think the pint swigger would do?
doesn't have a manifesto... would be picked to pieces, all his old bits about the nhs for example would be brought back to haunt him...
even if he pitched the party as "tory-lite".... they you cannablise that vote... it would be fun because you may let labour and the lib dems won places they wouldn't normally do.....
I do wonder how well all his MP candidates would do singing off his hymn sheet when it moves from being just one note. "
absolutely... let see him defend some of the view his MEP's for example have about LGBTQ issues.... just plucking one out of the air! widdicombe!
or like we say his statements on the NHS.... |
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In the 2015 general election me and 4 million other people voted ukip we got 1 mp the snp got 1.5 million votes they got 56 mps .
in 2016 me and 17.4 million voted to leave the eu, we are still in Europe .can anyone tell me what's the point in voting in the future, |
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"In the 2015 general election me and 4 million other people voted ukip we got 1 mp the snp got 1.5 million votes they got 56 mps .
in 2016 me and 17.4 million voted to leave the eu, we are still in Europe .can anyone tell me what's the point in voting in the future,"
First past the post wins hands down, if proportional representation happened, then it would be totally different. |
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"In the 2015 general election me and 4 million other people voted ukip we got 1 mp the snp got 1.5 million votes they got 56 mps .
in 2016 me and 17.4 million voted to leave the eu, we are still in Europe .can anyone tell me what's the point in voting in the future,"
It's almosy as tho PR is more democratic....  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's time to Leave, this country deserves to burn and the union deserves to be split up, the "people" have had their say, Farage has played them all again and gets to enjoy his EU benefits, let's go no deal Brexit, kick "project fear" into action, leavers can be proud to be in control of a sinking ship. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
Where do you get your 40.4 %from?
Press Association figures"
The facts remain however you try to spin it if it was a general election the tories would have ended up with no mps labour would have 5 and the brexit party would have stormed it. |
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
Where do you get your 40.4 %from?
Press Association figuresThe facts remain however you try to spin it if it was a general election the tories would have ended up with no mps labour would have 5 and the brexit party would have stormed it."
More evidence for why FPTP isn't exactly as democratic as other systems... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
Where do you get your 40.4 %from?
Press Association figuresThe facts remain however you try to spin it if it was a general election the tories would have ended up with no mps labour would have 5 and the brexit party would have stormed it.
More evidence for why FPTP isn't exactly as democratic as other systems... "
maybe but its the system we have. |
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
Where do you get your 40.4 %from?
Press Association figuresThe facts remain however you try to spin it if it was a general election the tories would have ended up with no mps labour would have 5 and the brexit party would have stormed it.
More evidence for why FPTP isn't exactly as democratic as other systems... maybe but its the system we have."
These electio3ns were done on pr, |
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
Where do you get your 40.4 %from?
Press Association figuresThe facts remain however you try to spin it if it was a general election the tories would have ended up with no mps labour would have 5 and the brexit party would have stormed it.
More evidence for why FPTP isn't exactly as democratic as other systems... maybe but its the system we have.
These electio3ns were done on pr,"
The post before mine said in a GE Brexit party would have walked it. Despite polling only a third of votes. These elecgions gave a fairee number of seats than GE. |
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
Where do you get your 40.4 %from?
Press Association figuresThe facts remain however you try to spin it if it was a general election the tories would have ended up with no mps labour would have 5 and the brexit party would have stormed it.
More evidence for why FPTP isn't exactly as democratic as other systems... maybe but its the system we have.
These electio3ns were done on pr,
The post before mine said in a GE Brexit party would have walked it. Despite polling only a third of votes. These elecgions gave a fairee number of seats than GE. "
General Elections are first past the post.
No matter which way you try and spin last nights results, the Brexit Party got the highest number of votes (south of the border with Scotland) than every region of the UK with the exception of London.
It doesn't matter how many people voted for other parties as no single other party got as many votes as the Brexit party.
If these EU elections ran on the same system (FPTP) as our General elections, Lib Dems, Greens, Con and Labour would have no seats. |
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
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A big majority for Brexit in one form or another then, as Conservative/Labour both have manifesto commitments to respect the referendum result and Leave the EU. |
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over a year ago
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"European Elections UK:
Remain parties: 40.4%
Hard Brexit parties: 34.9%
Conservatives/Labour: 23.2%
A strong vote for Remain. "
An even stronger vote for leaving the EU in one form or another. |
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over a year ago
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"More people signed the petition to revoke Article 50 than voted for the Brexit party."
More people voted to Leave the EU in Scotland during the EU referendum than voted for the SNP in the general election.
Plus more people voted to Leave (17.4 million) than signed any Petition to remain (only 6 million). |
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"Looks like Nige walked it!
Would have been more a shock if he didnt walk it really. His “party” (the one with no manifesto or long term plan) lobbied themselves as the brexiteers protest vote. With UKIP in self destruct he had the entirity of the Brexit vote to go for. The fact the Remain vote was split & took around 40% says a lot though.
We need a peoples vote."
No we don't, the idea of a People's vote is dead and last nights results confirm it.
There is no appetite for remain. The vast majority want to Leave, if you add up Brexit party/Ukip plus the Conservative and Labour vote, as they all have manifesto commitment to deliver Brexit. |
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"So if there was a general election tomorrow (I know it won’t happen in reality) but based on today’s figures how do you think the pint swigger would do?
doesn't have a manifesto... would be picked to pieces, all his old bits about the nhs for example would be brought back to haunt him...
even if he pitched the party as "tory-lite".... they you cannablise that vote... it would be fun because you may let labour and the lib dems won places they wouldn't normally do.....
I do wonder how well all his MP candidates would do singing off his hymn sheet when it moves from being just one note.
absolutely... let see him defend some of the view his MEP's for example have about LGBTQ issues.... just plucking one out of the air! widdicombe!
or like we say his statements on the NHS...."
The Brexit party has no problem what so ever with the LGBT community, for your information the Brexit party candidate who won his MEP seat in Scotland is a Gay Black man.
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"More people signed the petition to revoke Article 50 than voted for the Brexit party.
Many were not genuine. Easy to fake any online poll.
Many many were though. It's easy to make bullshit promises and player them on the side of a bus too.
The Remain side in comparison THREATENED the benefits of the disabled and elderly if they voted Leave. They claimed out economy and house prices would crash. Food prices would go through the roof. Violent crime and terrorism would increase. World War 3 would happen....all in all a disgusting bundle of lies and threats from europhiles but people saw through the crap thankfully "
And they got then President Obama to stick his nose in and make threats. And still lost! |
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I'm lost why the tory/Labour vote counts as a vote to leave (because they campaigned on a ticket to leave on the GE) yet there l is talk of no deal delivering promises (when they good on a negotiated Brexit)
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"Looks like Nige walked it!
Would have been more a shock if he didnt walk it really. His “party” (the one with no manifesto or long term plan) lobbied themselves as the brexiteers protest vote. With UKIP in self destruct he had the entirity of the Brexit vote to go for. The fact the Remain vote was split & took around 40% says a lot though.
We need a peoples vote.
No we don't, the idea of a People's vote is dead and last nights results confirm it.
There is no appetite for remain. The vast majority want to Leave, if you add up Brexit party/Ukip plus the Conservative and Labour vote, as they all have manifesto commitment to deliver Brexit. "
"vast majority"?
I think you need to look at the figures again... |
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"I'm lost why the tory/Labour vote counts as a vote to leave (because they campaigned on a ticket to leave on the GE) yet there l is talk of no deal delivering promises (when they good on a negotiated Brexit)
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Yes, I think it would be more accurate to discount the Tory and Labour votes (in terms of leave/remain). |
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"I'm lost why the tory/Labour vote counts as a vote to leave (because they campaigned on a ticket to leave on the GE) yet there l is talk of no deal delivering promises (when they good on a negotiated Brexit)
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Realistically, I would say that the Tories are Leave on marginal balance and Labour voters are the other way inclined but only marginally.
A 50/50 split perhaps with the odd percentage point either way.....does that sound familiar? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"In the 2015 general election me and 4 million other people voted ukip we got 1 mp the snp got 1.5 million votes they got 56 mps .
e,"
How did you vote in the 2011 Alternative Vote referendum? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
The Independent:
"A newly-re-elected Labour MEP of British-Asian Sikh heritage was heckled by people telling her to "go home" during her acceptance speech in the West Midlands.
West Midlands Labour posted a video to Twitter showing angry people said to be supporters of the Brexit Party, yelling towards the stage at the Birmingham count where Neena Gill was making her speech. Labour called the incident "an ugly truth". "
UK: 2019
And then there is Magid Magid, the mayor of Sheffield who is now an MP.
And I think there is a real struggle going out on out there for the soul of the UK.
I'm with Magid.
He's a cool dude.
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"More people signed the petition to revoke Article 50 than voted for the Brexit party.
Many were not genuine. Easy to fake any online poll."
Incorrect, this was proven to be false. Indeed more people signed the petition to Revoke Article 50 than voted for the Brexit Party. It is good to be reminded of this |
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"More people signed the petition to revoke Article 50 than voted for the Brexit party.
Many were not genuine. Easy to fake any online poll.
Many many were though. It's easy to make bullshit promises and player them on the side of a bus too.
The Remain side in comparison THREATENED the benefits of the disabled and elderly if they voted Leave. They claimed out economy and house prices would crash. Food prices would go through the roof. Violent crime and terrorism would increase. World War 3 would happen....all in all a disgusting bundle of lies and threats from europhiles but people saw through the crap thankfully "
#westillhaventleftyet
So for as much as I criticise Osborne and Dave for the worst case scenario threats, the most plausible outcome is a decrease in living standards. |
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"More people signed the petition to revoke Article 50 than voted for the Brexit party.
Many were not genuine. Easy to fake any online poll.
Many many were though. It's easy to make bullshit promises and player them on the side of a bus too.
The Remain side in comparison THREATENED the benefits of the disabled and elderly if they voted Leave. They claimed out economy and house prices would crash. Food prices would go through the roof. Violent crime and terrorism would increase. World War 3 would happen....all in all a disgusting bundle of lies and threats from europhiles but people saw through the crap thankfully
Yeah, youre totally right, because we havent even left the EU yet, the pound has consistently tanked, fuel prices have steadily rose & with plant cutbacks & closures due to EU based uncertainty, its cost around 20,000 front line jobs (this is before weve even left remember).
Sorry but fuel prices have fk all to do with Brexit"
Fuel prices are dependent on a number of factors. One of which is the exchange rate as oil's priced in $$. What has happened to the £/$ rate in the last three years? |
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"More people signed the petition to revoke Article 50 than voted for the Brexit party.
So what, it means nothing. Since when did petition signifying become the will of the people "
It's a measure of opinion surely? |
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"The Independent:
"A newly-re-elected Labour MEP of British-Asian Sikh heritage was heckled by people telling her to "go home" during her acceptance speech in the West Midlands.
West Midlands Labour posted a video to Twitter showing angry people said to be supporters of the Brexit Party, yelling towards the stage at the Birmingham count where Neena Gill was making her speech. Labour called the incident "an ugly truth". "
UK: 2019
And then there is Magid Magid, the mayor of Sheffield who is now an MP.
And I think there is a real struggle going out on out there for the soul of the UK.
I'm with Magid.
He's a cool dude.
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The Sikh MEP (Nina Gill, I believe) was heckled as you put it because she was calling Brexit party members/supporters "racists" during her acceptance speech! Report the full facts and not half a story, this was shown on West Midlands local news there was no footage of anyone shouting "go home"!It seems like Nina Gill is the bigot!
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Not my words.
The Independent.
I could have cut and pasted the whole article.
But if people are interested in the whole article, they know where to find it.
I'm not sure people appreciate great slabs of cut-and-paste.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"The Independent:
"A newly-re-elected Labour MEP of British-Asian Sikh heritage was heckled by people telling her to "go home" during her acceptance speech in the West Midlands.
West Midlands Labour posted a video to Twitter showing angry people said to be supporters of the Brexit Party, yelling towards the stage at the Birmingham count where Neena Gill was making her speech. Labour called the incident "an ugly truth". "
UK: 2019
And then there is Magid Magid, the mayor of Sheffield who is now an MP.
And I think there is a real struggle going out on out there for the soul of the UK.
I'm with Magid.
He's a cool dude.
The Sikh MEP (Nina Gill, I believe) was heckled as you put it because she was calling Brexit party members/supporters "racists" during her acceptance speech! Report the full facts and not half a story, this was shown on West Midlands local news there was no footage of anyone shouting "go home"!It seems like Nina Gill is the bigot!
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It seems she called them "fascists" in her acceptance speech, and they objected to the use of such language.
Acceptance speeches are made by the invitation of the Returning Officer. They should be used to thank supporters and followers and make positive pledges, not make intentional provocative allegations.
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"Not my words.
The Independent.
I could have cut and pasted the whole article.
But if people are interested in the whole article, they know where to find it.
I'm not sure people appreciate great slabs of cut-and-paste.
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Lol, just goes to show how independant it isn't! |
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"The Independent:
"A newly-re-elected Labour MEP of British-Asian Sikh heritage was heckled by people telling her to "go home" during her acceptance speech in the West Midlands.
West Midlands Labour posted a video to Twitter showing angry people said to be supporters of the Brexit Party, yelling towards the stage at the Birmingham count where Neena Gill was making her speech. Labour called the incident "an ugly truth". "
UK: 2019
And then there is Magid Magid, the mayor of Sheffield who is now an MP.
And I think there is a real struggle going out on out there for the soul of the UK.
I'm with Magid.
He's a cool dude.
The Sikh MEP (Nina Gill, I believe) was heckled as you put it because she was calling Brexit party members/supporters "racists" during her acceptance speech! Report the full facts and not half a story, this was shown on West Midlands local news there was no footage of anyone shouting "go home"!It seems like Nina Gill is the bigot!
It seems she called them "fascists" in her acceptance speech, and they objected to the use of such language.
Acceptance speeches are made by the invitation of the Returning Officer. They should be used to thank supporters and followers and make positive pledges, not make intentional provocative allegations.
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Just another sore loser! |
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"The Independent:
"A newly-re-elected Labour MEP of British-Asian Sikh heritage was heckled by people telling her to "go home" during her acceptance speech in the West Midlands.
West Midlands Labour posted a video to Twitter showing angry people said to be supporters of the Brexit Party, yelling towards the stage at the Birmingham count where Neena Gill was making her speech. Labour called the incident "an ugly truth". "
UK: 2019
And then there is Magid Magid, the mayor of Sheffield who is now an MP.
And I think there is a real struggle going out on out there for the soul of the UK.
I'm with Magid.
He's a cool dude.
The Sikh MEP (Nina Gill, I believe) was heckled as you put it because she was calling Brexit party members/supporters "racists" during her acceptance speech! Report the full facts and not half a story, this was shown on West Midlands local news there was no footage of anyone shouting "go home"!It seems like Nina Gill is the bigot!
It seems she called them "fascists" in her acceptance speech, and they objected to the use of such language.
Acceptance speeches are made by the invitation of the Returning Officer. They should be used to thank supporters and followers and make positive pledges, not make intentional provocative allegations.
Just another sore loser! "
It was an acceptance speech. Doesnt that make her a winner? |
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