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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So, now the candidates are starting to open up about their intentions, anyone willing to point with certainty who they think will get it.
- Initially I thought it'd be a solid run between Leadson and Johnson.
- However, Gove has thrown his hat in the ring. I feel like a lot of people might view him as a more sensible candidate.
- Rory Stewart is interesting. He is on the record for saying he can't serve under Boris and that no deal is undeliverable. Can he prompt a pro-Eu Tory backlash. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Michael Gove is my bet.
Raab, Johnson, Leadsom and others who are already stained with May’s toxic Withdrawal Agreement might struggle to explain how they let it get so far when they were in a position of influence.
Gove has kept his nose clean and has not really had any part to play in that Bill. He has also said in public what most MP’s also think - that a so called “no deal” Brexit would be catastrophic.
He is pragmatic and would probably appeal to all sides. That said, I still don’t know how he would get any more movement than Theresa May. |
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Raaaaaaaab gave an awful interview on Marr this morning indulging in a blame game and promising impossible tax cuts, similarly McVey with her invisible border and duetronium phasers.
Rod Stewart and Hancock are spoilers only there to bolster the appeal of others (in return for a ministerial position in the new administration).
Hunt is the everyman with a bit of something for everyone while lacking any substance whatsoever.
Give is possibly acceptable enough to the parliamentary party to make a final 2 but I can't see the membership warming to him.
And as for LolBoris unless he has the opportunity to split his trousers and reveal union jack shorts like a Carry On film throwback he won't even get put to the membership to start with. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
I have had £1 bet on Graham Brady at 25/1 , As the Chair of the 1922 committee he had managed to keep himself away from the utter incompetent shambles of the Tory brexit dealings . He may be the one that Tory MPs rally round to stop Johnson reaching the final 2 .. If however Johnson reaches the final 2 , I think he will win by quite a large margin in the membership vote ,,,,, the irony being that he will win with votes of Conservative party members who probably voted for another party , ( brexit ) in the EU elections ( which probably shows that it's Farage who is actually bossing the tories |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I have had £1 bet on Graham Brady at 25/1 , As the Chair of the 1922 committee he had managed to keep himself away from the utter incompetent shambles of the Tory brexit dealings . He may be the one that Tory MPs rally round to stop Johnson reaching the final 2 .. If however Johnson reaches the final 2 , I think he will win by quite a large margin in the membership vote ,,,,, the irony being that he will win with votes of Conservative party members who probably voted for another party , ( brexit ) in the EU elections ( which probably shows that it's Farage who is actually bossing the tories "
Yeah I mean, a review into party members showed that a lot of the old members left and the new ones who joined were the refugees from UKIPs decent into madness. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Michael Gove is my bet.
Raab, Johnson, Leadsom and others who are already stained with May’s toxic Withdrawal Agreement might struggle to explain how they let it get so far when they were in a position of influence.
Gove has kept his nose clean and has not really had any part to play in that Bill. He has also said in public what most MP’s also think - that a so called “no deal” Brexit would be catastrophic.
He is pragmatic and would probably appeal to all sides. That said, I still don’t know how he would get any more movement than Theresa May."
Agreed.
Fairly unlikely I'd ever vote Tory or for a leave candidate but I think he's probably the best bet for leavers if they actually think strategically.
Boris might break the party and see mass defects to CHUK or LibDems.
That said, as others have pointed out, will the now largely pro-brexit membership want anything other than a hardliner? |
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"I have had £1 bet on Graham Brady at 25/1 , As the Chair of the 1922 committee he had managed to keep himself away from the utter incompetent shambles of the Tory brexit dealings . He may be the one that Tory MPs rally round to stop Johnson reaching the final 2 .. If however Johnson reaches the final 2 , I think he will win by quite a large margin in the membership vote ,,,,, the irony being that he will win with votes of Conservative party members who probably voted for another party , ( brexit ) in the EU elections ( which probably shows that it's Farage who is actually bossing the tories "
Brady could be a runner, but I still think there will be a dark horse emerging later on in the process which has been the case with them before..
Boris wants it over quickly as the longer it goes on the more gaff prone he will become and his ideas will be tested, he knows he has this one chance to strike early and try and garner what support he has within the parliamentary party..
Which allegedly is not a lot.. |
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She had one job...lead us out of Europe. .she fucked it up and took 3 years and counting doing it..now we have the next of the elite, only interested in the ego of the job/title with huge pay, perks stepping forward for their go...
Parliment is a job club for people with huge egos, house of geriatrics next door is their community centre to retire too..
Adam
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It doesn't really matter who the Leader is. The problem is not the singer the problem is the song.
It seems quite likely that who ever gets the job will have red lined themselves into a 'no customs union' and 'no single market' no deal BREXIT which they won't be able to deliver through this parliament anyway.
In the off chance the Conservative Party suddenly has a moment of pragmatic sanity and elects itself a leader not willing to throw the country over the 'no deal' BREXIT cliff then we're back in the Theresa May territory of trying to get a deal through Parliament that is so clearly worse than the current deal we have in the EU that neither Leavers nor Remainers will back it.
Ultimately, whether quickly by an attempt to force a 'no deal' or slowly by continuous extensions as we try to get a good BREXIT deal, all roads lead to Remain. It's just a matter of time now.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So, now the candidates are starting to open up about their intentions, anyone willing to point with certainty who they think will get it.
- Initially I thought it'd be a solid run between Leadson and Johnson.
- However, Gove has thrown his hat in the ring. I feel like a lot of people might view him as a more sensible candidate.
- Rory Stewart is interesting. He is on the record for saying he can't serve under Boris and that no deal is undeliverable. Can he prompt a pro-Eu Tory backlash."
I don't think anyone in the Conservatives would realistically allow Michael Gove to move forward in the leadership contest if they have any sense whatsoever as everyone remembers how he stabbed Boris in the back last time around and how he is very clearly a self serving politician.
As for this Rory bloke, I think the party will have learned from the last time that they absolutely must elect a brexiteer as leader.
Whatever tory MP's might personally feel about those who have put themselves forward, they really do need to think about the bigger picture.
They all know which if them is most popular with the wider party members and they also need to think about who would likely bring future election success - especially after what happened in 2017
Considering the rapid rise of the Brexit party, they are going to need someone who they believe can neutralise that threat as there is great concern that the strength of support for Nigel Farage's party could cost the Conservatives enough votes to allow Corbyn and Labour into government.
Personally, I think both they and Labour have massively underestimated the strength of support for the Brexit party |
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So now added to the list of hat tossers is Javid and Knight Industries Two Thousand, Cleverly surely can't be far behind (Chris Grayling has sent his application to the Lib Dems by mistake). Seeing as there's now to be a television debate I can't decide whether it should be based on Fifteen to One or The Weakest Link |
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"So, now the candidates are starting to open up about their intentions, anyone willing to point with certainty who they think will get it.
- Initially I thought it'd be a solid run between Leadson and Johnson.
- However, Gove has thrown his hat in the ring. I feel like a lot of people might view him as a more sensible candidate.
- Rory Stewart is interesting. He is on the record for saying he can't serve under Boris and that no deal is undeliverable. Can he prompt a pro-Eu Tory backlash.
I don't think anyone in the Conservatives would realistically allow Michael Gove to move forward in the leadership contest if they have any sense whatsoever as everyone remembers how he stabbed Boris in the back last time around and how he is very clearly a self serving politician.
As for this Rory bloke, I think the party will have learned from the last time that they absolutely must elect a brexiteer as leader.
Whatever tory MP's might personally feel about those who have put themselves forward, they really do need to think about the bigger picture.
They all know which if them is most popular with the wider party members and they also need to think about who would likely bring future election success - especially after what happened in 2017
Considering the rapid rise of the Brexit party, they are going to need someone who they believe can neutralise that threat as there is great concern that the strength of support for Nigel Farage's party could cost the Conservatives enough votes to allow Corbyn and Labour into government.
Personally, I think both they and Labour have massively underestimated the strength of support for the Brexit party"
I think the mistake both the Conservatives and Labour have made is to over estimate the effect of UKIP and in the process actually feed the monster. The Conservatives are well and truly on the road to self destruction and political oblivion. It's not too late for Labour yet but, if they continue to feed the BREXIT beast, they'll meet the same fate.
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A turd for third? 3 in a row of the most useless Prime Ministers? Most of the desperate lot standing are hapless fuckwits, so there's every reason to believe the UK will be poised to get something atrocious dredged from the toxic cesspit they all fester in.
The dire levels of incompetence amongst recent government ministers has been mind boggling but electing a stinking piece of shit to the leaders role would be enough to want a one way ticket to Mars on Musks project
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
“He’s lied his way through life, he’s lied his way through politics, he’s a huckster with a degree of charm to which I am immune. As well as being mendacious he’s incompetent.”
- Chris Patten on Boris Johnson |
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"So now added to the list of hat tossers is Javid and Knight Industries Two Thousand, Cleverly surely can't be far behind (Chris Grayling has sent his application to the Lib Dems by mistake). Seeing as there's now to be a television debate I can't decide whether it should be based on Fifteen to One or The Weakest Link "
How about Blankety Blank  |
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"So now added to the list of hat tossers is Javid and Knight Industries Two Thousand, Cleverly surely can't be far behind (Chris Grayling has sent his application to the Lib Dems by mistake). Seeing as there's now to be a television debate I can't decide whether it should be based on Fifteen to One or The Weakest Link
How about Blankety Blank "
It's a knockout (dare I say Jeux Sans Frontiers?)......and who is going to play the joker? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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I think the mistake both the Conservatives and Labour have made is to over estimate the effect of UKIP and in the process actually feed the monster.
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And now we have an enormous tussle between the Conservative right and the Brexit Party for ownership of Brexit.
My Brexit is harder than your Brexit blah blah.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
Rory stewart is far too sensible and talks way too much common sense to be a leader of this conservative party...... which is why he gets beaten by every other hopeful in the mock leadership matchups!!
god bless the tory faithful!!!  |
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"So now added to the list of hat tossers is Javid and Knight Industries Two Thousand, Cleverly surely can't be far behind (Chris Grayling has sent his application to the Lib Dems by mistake). Seeing as there's now to be a television debate I can't decide whether it should be based on Fifteen to One or The Weakest Link
How about Blankety Blank "
How about Pointless?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Rory stewart is far too sensible and talks way too much common sense to be a leader of this conservative party...... which is why he gets beaten by every other hopeful in the mock leadership matchups!!
god bless the tory faithful!!! "
maybe he thinks he's in the lib dem leadership race... |
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"Rory stewart is far too sensible and talks way too much common sense to be a leader of this conservative party...... which is why he gets beaten by every other hopeful in the mock leadership matchups!!
god bless the tory faithful!!! "
Definitely a man to watch but I don't think his future lies in where the Conservative party's heading.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Rory stewart is far too sensible and talks way too much common sense to be a leader of this conservative party...... which is why he gets beaten by every other hopeful in the mock leadership matchups!!
god bless the tory faithful!!! maybe he thinks he's in the lib dem leadership race... "
no the first person to say that.... i don't think he'd look out of place at the lib dem leadership husting...
speaking of which... I am actually going to go to one, week on saturday! (lib dem not tory... I went to the labour leadership hustings last time, it was an interesting affair! although i don't rule out going to a tory leadership hustings because i want to see how the next pm acts in the real world)
davey vs swinson.... who would you like? i think its an interesting contrast! |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Rory stewart is far too sensible and talks way too much common sense to be a leader of this conservative party...... which is why he gets beaten by every other hopeful in the mock leadership matchups!!
god bless the tory faithful!!! "
He was actually a member of the Labour Party in his teenager years. Fortunately he saw the light, and has many life skills and beliefs to be an excellent PM. |
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