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Jacob or Boris...

By *avagliam OP Man over a year ago

London

Dear Fabbers,

I'm interested in reading your thoughts about the choice between JRM and BJ, after TM's decision to quit as PM which likely means soft brexit is now out of the table.

In your opinion, who among the two will:

1) Deliver brexit

2) Not deliver brexit

3) Bring us more chaos

I believe there is plenty to dislike about both, but would you mention anything you like about either jacov or voris - I obviously dislike both

I personally think Jacob's wife is hot. With regards to Boris, ermmm... Perhaps the fact that He could be a good circus clown.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dear Fabbers,

I'm interested in reading your thoughts about the choice between JRM and BJ, after TM's decision to quit as PM which likely means soft brexit is now out of the table.

In your opinion, who among the two will:

1) Deliver brexit

2) Not deliver brexit

3) Bring us more chaos

I believe there is plenty to dislike about both, but would you mention anything you like about either jacov or voris - I obviously dislike both

I personally think Jacob's wife is hot. With regards to Boris, ermmm... Perhaps the fact that He could be a good circus clown.

Either one will bring on 1 & 3

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd like the current climate to continue to the next election where we get a coalition with the Brexit party the largest party and Farage PM.

Get a proper libertarian capitalist in the job to get the job done and doesn't care if he reelected like Trump, that's his Trump card, he doesn't care about what the MSM think of him so he can run a coach and horses through their sick, job for life little world, starting with that cancer called the NHS.

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By *ony 2016Man over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"Dear Fabbers,

I'm interested in reading your thoughts about the choice between JRM and BJ, after TM's decision to quit as PM which likely means soft brexit is now out of the table.

In your opinion, who among the two will:

1) Deliver brexit

2) Not deliver brexit

3) Bring us more chaos

I believe there is plenty to dislike about both, but would you mention anything you like about either jacov or voris - I obviously dislike both

I personally think Jacob's wife is hot. With regards to Boris, ermmm... Perhaps the fact that He could be a good circus clown.

Either one will bring on 1 & 3"
. 2 and 3 for both of them ,,, with more food banks opening nationwide

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd like the current climate to continue to the next election where we get a coalition with the Brexit party the largest party and Farage PM.

Does the brexit party even have the infastructure to run in domestic politics. Do far I've only seen them running in the context of EU elections.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dear Fabbers,

I'm interested in reading your thoughts about the choice between JRM and BJ, after TM's decision to quit as PM which likely means soft brexit is now out of the table.

In your opinion, who among the two will:

1) Deliver brexit

2) Not deliver brexit

3) Bring us more chaos

I believe there is plenty to dislike about both, but would you mention anything you like about either jacov or voris - I obviously dislike both

I personally think Jacob's wife is hot. With regards to Boris, ermmm... Perhaps the fact that He could be a good circus clown.

Either one will bring on 1 & 3. 2 and 3 for both of them ,,, with more food banks opening nationwide "

Don't get me started with food banks, people with BMW's and walk staight out of one stop with fags and booze and then want free food. Freeloaders.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd like the current climate to continue to the next election where we get a coalition with the Brexit party the largest party and Farage PM.

Does the brexit party even have the infastructure to run in domestic politics. Do far I've only seen them running in the context of EU elections."

Actually no it doesn't its very much a one trick pony, but that's its strength, people like Farage, Widdlecombe are very capable and not incompatible with the Tory part, a coalition with Labour forget it, Corbyn is a fanatic like Hitler and actually very similar and if he doesn't get 100% what he wants will stop negotiating. He was never doing a deal with May.

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By *avagliam OP Man over a year ago

London

"Dear Fabbers,

I'm interested in reading your thoughts about the choice between JRM and BJ, after TM's decision to quit as PM which likely means soft brexit is now out of the table.

In your opinion, who among the two will:

1) Deliver brexit

2) Not deliver brexit

3) Bring us more chaos

I believe there is plenty to dislike about both, but would you mention anything you like about either jacov or voris - I obviously dislike both

I personally think Jacob's wife is hot. With regards to Boris, ermmm... Perhaps the fact that He could be a good circus clown.

Either one will bring on 1 & 3. 2 and 3 for both of them ,,, with more food banks opening nationwide "

I'm also for 2 and 3...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Jacob or Boris.....

I really don't mind either only for the reason they have advocated a no deal WTO Brexit so much especially Moggy and it's about time one of them are given the chance to put their reputation where their mouth is and just do it instead of sniping from the sidelines.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd like the current climate to continue to the next election where we get a coalition with the Brexit party the largest party and Farage PM.

Does the brexit party even have the infastructure to run in domestic politics. Do far I've only seen them running in the context of EU elections."

The Brexit party is only 6 weeks old, so hasn't set up constituency offices yet, apart from one in Peterborough where they will be contesting the by-election in the first week of June for Fiona Onasanya's seat.

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By *avagliam OP Man over a year ago

London

"Jacob or Boris.....

You're right. Still: I'm so not ready to frequently suffer any of the two...

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

" starting with that cancer called the NHS."

Yay, that'll really bring the country together. NOT.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Both will make the same promises Mrs May made week after week, month after month, about being prepared to leave with out an agreement.

And, just like Mrs May, when the moment of reality comes they will have to decide between pragmatism and the destruction of the Conservative Party and the country.

Either way, Europe will cripple the third consecutive Conservative PM. Farage will see to that - he's already knee-capped two of them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd like the current climate to continue to the next election where we get a coalition with the Brexit party the largest party and Farage PM.

Does the brexit party even have the infastructure to run in domestic politics. Do far I've only seen them running in the context of EU elections.

That's not a coalition though is it.

It's effectively two different parties having a monopoly in the EU Parliament and our parliament.

One of which will have no power when we leave, the other of which will probably not happen, as a good segment of society wont vote Tory, and too many Tories are drifting to the lib Dems.

Basically you outlined a scenario which does not work in the principle of how our parties work here and in the EU and you have outlined a domestic political scenario for which the arithmetic isn't there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd like the current climate to continue to the next election where we get a coalition with the Brexit party the largest party and Farage PM.

Does the brexit party even have the infastructure to run in domestic politics. Do far I've only seen them running in the context of EU elections.

in addition being a one trick pony is a delayed failure.

Yeah you'll win in the short term. But when it comes down to the job of actually governing, well good luck.

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By *rincessvenusCouple over a year ago

Hull

dont take hunt out of the picture yet

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" starting with that cancer called the NHS.

Yay, that'll really bring the country together. NOT.

Why not because its got near religious status the data proves the average Joe had better care in 1937, so wheres the success. And the health systems of Europe freeload of the US one, 90% of research and new medical practice come from that slagged off system.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd like the current climate to continue to the next election where we get a coalition with the Brexit party the largest party and Farage PM.

Does the brexit party even have the infastructure to run in domestic politics. Do far I've only seen them running in the context of EU elections.

in addition being a one trick pony is a delayed failure.

Yeah you'll win in the short term. But when it comes down to the job of actually governing, well good luck."

Why so negative, Trump, I'm sure you think he's an idiot, but if you took 10% what he's achieved and put it to Obama you'd think he was a out and out genius.

Why do people think career politicians are unique when nearly them never done a days work in their lives, mostly useless.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't think any PM can deliver no deal under the current parliament. Whoever stands on that will need a new GE. If only because I can see resignations.

Boris may be popular enough to help the tories not be decimated in a GE.

But two parties with HIGNFY friendly leaders on a no deal ticket will split the vote. In a fptp system that may let in Labour.

Neither jrm nor Boho have the political skills to unite the various factions which is what is needed right now. Maybe raab or gove (as much as I don't like some of their policies I think they may be good at the backroom politics)

I think the tories will go for a party saving leader. Not a Brexit saving leader.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think any PM can deliver no deal under the current parliament. Whoever stands on that will need a new GE. If only because I can see resignations.

Boris may be popular enough to help the tories not be decimated in a GE.

But two parties with HIGNFY friendly leaders on a no deal ticket will split the vote. In a fptp system that may let in Labour.

I think the tories will go for a party saving leader. Not a Brexit saving leader.

Unless of course someone like Boris (if he becomes leader), does some sort of electoral pact with Nigel Farage on a no deal Brexit ticket.

Tories who don't want to stand on that ticket like Dominic Grieve can either be deselected from the party or they can try to fight their seat against a Brexit party candidate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd like the current climate to continue to the next election where we get a coalition with the Brexit party the largest party and Farage PM.

Well let’s hope you are prepared to pay your way fully if the nhs ever has to pick up after your sorry libertarian ass

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think any PM can deliver no deal under the current parliament. Whoever stands on that will need a new GE. If only because I can see resignations.

Boris may be popular enough to help the tories not be decimated in a GE.

But two parties with HIGNFY friendly leaders on a no deal ticket will split the vote. In a fptp system that may let in Labour.

I think the tories will go for a party saving leader. Not a Brexit saving leader.

Unless of course someone like Boris (if he becomes leader), does some sort of electoral pact with Nigel Farage on a no deal Brexit ticket.

Tories who don't want to stand on that ticket like Dominic Grieve can either be deselected from the party or they can try to fight their seat against a Brexit party candidate."

To be honest I think that is the most likely scenario here - Boris will do whatever he can to gain power and as over 50 per cent of tory party members are over the retirement age I think he will probably seek to do a deal with farage and then we will get the libertarian free world that brexiteers seek.....and meanwhile trump will use the saudis to attack iran starting a nuclear conflict in the middle east which will destroy the suez canal and China’s trade routes to Europe while Putin laughs his head off in the background! Still theres always the commonwealth to rely on isnt there?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd like the current climate to continue to the next election where we get a coalition with the Brexit party the largest party and Farage PM.

Well let’s hope you are prepared to pay your way fully if the nhs ever has to pick up after your sorry libertarian ass

Why cannot people see it for what it is, not a church like organisation but a bureaucratic mess, its needs sorting out and that means more funds a mixture of new money and massive cuts in some areas and concentrate on treatment, frankly all people who cared about their and children's health had health insurance before 1948, even those that didn't would get treated a bit like in the USA, you wait in line in the hospital, now everyone waits in line.

Did you know that laser eye treatment is by and large unavailable on the NHS yet its gone down in price, why because private companies need to watch costs, public services don't care

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd like the current climate to continue to the next election where we get a coalition with the Brexit party the largest party and Farage PM.

Well let’s hope you are prepared to pay your way fully if the nhs ever has to pick up after your sorry libertarian ass

Did you know that laser eye treatment is by and large unavailable on the NHS yet its gone down in price, why because private companies need to watch costs, public services don't care"

Im sorry but that sounds like emotive bollocks to me with no factual evidence to back it up.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

" starting with that cancer called the NHS.

Yay, that'll really bring the country together. NOT.

Lol, you are having a laugh. The 1930s were the most squalid, disease-ridden, impoverished period of the 20th century.

It was precisely because conditions were so shocking that the wartime government concluded they could not ask the country to return to them when war was over.

So the vision of Beveridge gave us state education, public housing, the NHS and social security.

One look at life expectancy and mortality rates since 1945 will tell you how successful the NHS has been.

Any party proposing to scrap it will be annihilated at an election - it is the one safety net most people in this country cherish.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" starting with that cancer called the NHS.

Yay, that'll really bring the country together. NOT.

Lol, you are having a laugh. The 1930s were the most squalid, disease-ridden, impoverished period of the 20th century.

It was precisely because conditions were so shocking that the wartime government concluded they could not ask the country to return to them when war was over.

So the vision of Beveridge gave us state education, public housing, the NHS and social security.

One look at life expectancy and mortality rates since 1945 will tell you how successful the NHS has been.

Any party proposing to scrap it will be annihilated at an election - it is the one safety net most people in this country cherish.

"
Goes to show how uneducated you are there was massive economic growth in the 1930's, the Jarrow march was in 1931 and the economy recovered by 1934 because the government cut spending and deregulated.

Sorry you're taking the worst examples and treating them like the norm, it was not like that across the board, indeed the welfare state whilst OK taking out absolute poverty and rendered whole families as serfs to their socialist master,ever wondered why there is so much unemployment up north now, because the socialists don't want businesses, they don't want people out of poverty they don't vote Labour.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Read "The Five Giants: A Biography of the Welfare State" by Nicholas Timmins. You may revise your thinking when you see the evidence.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" starting with that cancer called the NHS.

Yay, that'll really bring the country together. NOT.

Lol, you are having a laugh. The 1930s were the most squalid, disease-ridden, impoverished period of the 20th century.

It was precisely because conditions were so shocking that the wartime government concluded they could not ask the country to return to them when war was over.

So the vision of Beveridge gave us state education, public housing, the NHS and social security.

One look at life expectancy and mortality rates since 1945 will tell you how successful the NHS has been.

Any party proposing to scrap it will be annihilated at an election - it is the one safety net most people in this country cherish.

Goes to show how uneducated you are there was massive economic growth in the 1930's, the Jarrow march was in 1931 and the economy recovered by 1934 because the government cut spending and deregulated.

No I think you will find that this is because its easier to fall for the libertarian bs than it us to face up to the facts that 12 years of austerity brought about by free market economics care of the bankers and the crash they brought on us. It has put us all in a position where we are flailing around looking for answers as to why we cant get our bins emptied, decent mental, health and social care, and a lot of angry people are willing to give airtime to racist idiots like farage and his cohorts of fuck em all neo-liberals because they feel that they are either feeling disenfranchised or are simplistic in their thinking. Its a sad day for thus country when people trot out the kind of garbage you are promoting.

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By *avagliam OP Man over a year ago

London

"I don't think any PM can deliver no deal under the current parliament. Whoever stands on that will need a new GE. If only because I can see resignations.

Boris may be popular enough to help the tories not be decimated in a GE.

But two parties with HIGNFY friendly leaders on a no deal ticket will split the vote. In a fptp system that may let in Labour.

I think the tories will go for a party saving leader. Not a Brexit saving leader.

A party saviour... Out of the two, BJ would likely choose saving the party rather than Brexit.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

Mogg is an unempathic arsehole.

BoJo is a highly intelligent malevolent bastard who does nothing without first considering all the ramifications.

God help us all if either of them gain power.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

JRM has absolutely no ambition in becoming Prime Minister. He is very consistent on this.

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

"Dear Fabbers,

I'm interested in reading your thoughts about the choice between JRM and BJ, after TM's decision to quit as PM which likely means soft brexit is now out of the table.

In your opinion, who among the two will:

1) Deliver brexit

2) Not deliver brexit

3) Bring us more chaos

I believe there is plenty to dislike about both, but would you mention anything you like about either jacov or voris - I obviously dislike both

I personally think Jacob's wife is hot. With regards to Boris, ermmm... Perhaps the fact that He could be a good circus clown.

1) BoJo

2) neither

3)JRM... he's got some weird ideas.

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By *avagliam OP Man over a year ago

London

"Mogg is an unempathic arsehole.

BoJo is a highly intelligent malevolent bastard who does nothing without first considering all the ramifications.

God help us all if either of them gain power."

It will be one of the two, I believe... Bojo as the most likely

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Boris would win an election but make a terrible PM. Rees Mogg wont stand as it is easier being in the background criticising.

I like Rory Stewart, he has lived a bit and was a Labour supporter in his younger days so would have a wider opinion than the Boris' of this world

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Austerity was not a consequence of the bank crash.

That was political spin.

The crash created political cover for an ideological purge of the state, dressed up as an exercise in balancing the books.

Resources were removed from the least well off and transferred to the most well off.

If anything, it ch0ked the recovery.

Meanwhile, the debt has ballooned.

It never was about balancing the books.

Cameron and Osborne got their payback in the 2016 when those on the receiving end poked them in the eye with a sharp stick.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

And did you hear May yesterday, saying she had reduced the national debt?

A lie.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And did you hear May yesterday, saying she had reduced the national debt?

A lie."

Welcome to fantasy island was my reaction to that part of her speech - barefaced is the only possible description of that particular lie!

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

I like Rory Stewart"

Very good in The Last Temptation of Christ but it was in Wes Anderson's Grand Hotel Budapest that his creepy portrayal of Jopling really shone through

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By *avagliam OP Man over a year ago

London

"And did you hear May yesterday, saying she had reduced the national debt?

A lie."

A lie or maybe she's "a stable genius" too...

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Dear Fabbers,

I'm interested in reading your thoughts about the choice between JRM and BJ, after TM's decision to quit as PM which likely means soft brexit is now out of the table.

In your opinion, who among the two will:

1) Deliver brexit

2) Not deliver brexit

3) Bring us more chaos

I believe there is plenty to dislike about both, but would you mention anything you like about either jacov or voris - I obviously dislike both

I personally think Jacob's wife is hot. With regards to Boris, ermmm... Perhaps the fact that He could be a good circus clown.

Either of them, or any one else, will give 2 - Not deliver BREXIT and 3 - More chaos. If you want to know the detailed reasoning behind that then feel free to look at the thread entitled "Tory Party Trapped in a Hell of its Own Making".

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By *andy 1Couple over a year ago

northeast

if any of the mp menshand wer any good they would get a proper job the only guy who had a good adea in parlemant was guy fawkes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd like the current climate to continue to the next election where we get a coalition with the Brexit party the largest party and Farage PM.

Is this a joke

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"And did you hear May yesterday, saying she had reduced the national debt?

A lie.

Welcome to fantasy island was my reaction to that part of her speech - barefaced is the only possible description of that particular lie!

Classic May.

Someone gives you a script.

Go out and read it.

She obviously hadn't read the end bit before hand.

Then turn on your heels and scarper.

Don't speak to anyone.

Its a hostile world out there.

No opportunity to question or challenge what she said.

No opportunity for her to have to engage with people.

She doesn't know how to.

A truly pathetic person ever to reach the highest office in the land.

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By *avagliam OP Man over a year ago

London

"Dear Fabbers,

I'm interested in reading your thoughts about the choice between JRM and BJ, after TM's decision to quit as PM which likely means soft brexit is now out of the table.

In your opinion, who among the two will:

1) Deliver brexit

2) Not deliver brexit

3) Bring us more chaos

I believe there is plenty to dislike about both, but would you mention anything you like about either jacov or voris - I obviously dislike both

I personally think Jacob's wife is hot. With regards to Boris, ermmm... Perhaps the fact that He could be a good circus clown.

I also think 2 & 3... That was a good read btw

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

" starting with that cancer called the NHS.

Yay, that'll really bring the country together. NOT.

You do know that none of that is true don't you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's like asking if you would rather be analy violated with a knife or sword!

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