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So even small things are changing, do many people believe in what they are doing or a inconvenience to those not interested. | |||
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"They had a protest in Nottingham yesterday, where they blocked several key roads for a few minutes at a time. The cars just sat there and continued to spew their fumes into the atmosphere, so not entirely how that helped. Disrupting public transport? Again, seems counter productive. Not taking their protests to India, China and the USA. Surely that's where the biggest problems are. " Well let's face it. they are not the sharpest tools in the box. Cause traffic jams....more pollution. Disrupt public transport... I thought the green lobby wanted to get us all ONTO public transport. Protest at parliament...when all the MP's are on holiday. 
Protest at Downing Street....When Mother Teresa is also on holiday.
Glue themselves to Corbyn's fence.... When he was down the allotment.
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"It's about so much more than air pollution in city centres. The most disturbing thing for me is how rising global temperatures are shrinking the ice at both the north and south poles. The volume of water stored in these areas is unimaginably huge. The consequences of that a melting are catastrophic for low-lying areas. That in turn will lead to hundreds of millions of people becoming refugees in search of higher ground. We've seen how destabilising a few hundred thousand migrants is on this country. Just think how destabilising it will be when, say, the population of Bangladesh is on the move. I support these people drawing attention to serious risks we face and agree that more global and national leadership is needed. They just need to be careful not to alienate the very people whose support they need. " We should all be rich beyond our wildest dreams then, with migration being a net benefit to the economy.  | |||
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"They had a protest in Nottingham yesterday, where they blocked several key roads for a few minutes at a time. The cars just sat there and continued to spew their fumes into the atmosphere, so not entirely how that helped. Disrupting public transport? Again, seems counter productive. Not taking their protests to India, China and the USA. Surely that's where the biggest problems are. Well let's face it. they are not the sharpest tools in the box. Cause traffic jams....more pollution. Disrupt public transport... I thought the green lobby wanted to get us all ONTO public transport. Protest at parliament...when all the MP's are on holiday.
Protest at Downing Street....When Mother Teresa is also on holiday.
Glue themselves to Corbyn's fence.... When he was down the allotment.
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" Yep, this lot are as blunt as a 4 pound lump hammer." The opposite is true. Because Parliament is on holiday, because political stories have dried up, the news schedules are light. So they are getting wall-to-wall coverage on TV and the media. Their message is reaching an audience of millions. | |||
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"like sumone else already pointed out when it comes to polluting we are way behind a lot of other country we not even the worst in europe think poland and germany are burning more coal thsn the rest of europe put together." Which is where the EU is very important. It is trying to adopt ambitious targets for climate neutrality by 2050. That would require countries to completely decarbonise their energy infrastructure. Most countries have signed up to it. Germany, Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are holding out. | |||
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"We are half way through the biggest extinction event in history nobody gives a fuck really.Just faux Outrage from some hipsters. Carry on. "People do give a fuck, but to actually do something that makes a difference would require such a change that they can't fathom it, and so convince themselves that recycling/re-using shopping bags is enough. There's some pretty interesting writing out there from the likes of George Monbiot (who I'm not always a fan of) about it. The analysis is that capitalism is not compatible with saving the environment. | |||
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" Yep, this lot are as blunt as a 4 pound lump hammer. The opposite is true. Because Parliament is on holiday, because political stories have dried up, the news schedules are light. So they are getting wall-to-wall coverage on TV and the media. Their message is reaching an audience of millions. " They must have been really pissed off when that church burned down then. That really took over the front pages. | |||
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"We are half way through the biggest extinction event in history nobody gives a fuck really.Just faux Outrage from some hipsters. Carry on.
People do give a fuck, but to actually do something that makes a difference would require such a change that they can't fathom it, and so convince themselves that recycling/re-using shopping bags is enough.
There's some pretty interesting writing out there from the likes of George Monbiot (who I'm not always a fan of) about it. The analysis is that capitalism is not compatible with saving the environment. "Socialism/communism would probably be as bad or worse for the environment. You wouldn't have any billionaire tech hipsters buying up forests for preservation and a lower tax bill.The state has historically been a poor custodian of the environment. The best bet is global corporations managing what little is left with ruthless authority.Human free zones would be my choice patrolled by lethal automonous drones. We've lost the right enter the last wildernesses.Shoot on sight any trespassers. | |||
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"We are half way through the biggest extinction event in history nobody gives a fuck really.Just faux Outrage from some hipsters. Carry on.
People do give a fuck, but to actually do something that makes a difference would require such a change that they can't fathom it, and so convince themselves that recycling/re-using shopping bags is enough.
There's some pretty interesting writing out there from the likes of George Monbiot (who I'm not always a fan of) about it. The analysis is that capitalism is not compatible with saving the environment.
Socialism/communism would probably be as bad or worse for the environment.
You wouldn't have any billionaire tech hipsters buying up forests for preservation and a lower tax bill.The state has historically been a poor custodian of the environment.
The best bet is global corporations managing what little is left with ruthless authority.Human free zones would be my choice patrolled by lethal automonous drones.
We've lost the right enter the last wildernesses.Shoot on sight any trespassers.
"Not entirely sure monbiot is a communist. The point is, you cannot have continuous growth and also save the environment. I think he is (or used to be) an anarchist. | |||
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"We are half way through the biggest extinction event in history nobody gives a fuck really.Just faux Outrage from some hipsters. Carry on.
People do give a fuck, but to actually do something that makes a difference would require such a change that they can't fathom it, and so convince themselves that recycling/re-using shopping bags is enough.
There's some pretty interesting writing out there from the likes of George Monbiot (who I'm not always a fan of) about it. The analysis is that capitalism is not compatible with saving the environment.
Socialism/communism would probably be as bad or worse for the environment.
You wouldn't have any billionaire tech hipsters buying up forests for preservation and a lower tax bill.The state has historically been a poor custodian of the environment.
The best bet is global corporations managing what little is left with ruthless authority.Human free zones would be my choice patrolled by lethal automonous drones.
We've lost the right enter the last wildernesses.Shoot on sight any trespassers.
Not entirely sure monbiot is a communist.
The point is, you cannot have continuous growth and also save the environment.
I think he is (or used to be) an anarchist. "My point is we will continue in our pursuit of endless growth on a finite rock regardless of left or right or capitalism versus socialism. The problem is a technological one and the state is awful at getting a technological solution off the ground. I'm hoping for a 12 monkeys style solution as an intermediate measure. | |||
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"As already said I don't think these idiots are doing any good what so ever. I alway get public transport into work. However because of these muppets I'm driving in. That's one car emissions extra for London due to these twats. If you protest is about the environment why target public transport? Why target a country (the Uk) who'so share of global carbon dioxide emissions is 1%! Why not protest in China, USA, India, Russia or even Germany. These are the countries that would need to change first." Maybe flying to china to protest isn't environmentally friendly..Just sayin. | |||
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"We are half way through the biggest extinction event in history nobody gives a fuck really.Just faux Outrage from some hipsters. Carry on.
People do give a fuck, but to actually do something that makes a difference would require such a change that they can't fathom it, and so convince themselves that recycling/re-using shopping bags is enough.
There's some pretty interesting writing out there from the likes of George Monbiot (who I'm not always a fan of) about it. The analysis is that capitalism is not compatible with saving the environment.
Socialism/communism would probably be as bad or worse for the environment.
You wouldn't have any billionaire tech hipsters buying up forests for preservation and a lower tax bill.The state has historically been a poor custodian of the environment.
The best bet is global corporations managing what little is left with ruthless authority.Human free zones would be my choice patrolled by lethal automonous drones.
We've lost the right enter the last wildernesses.Shoot on sight any trespassers.
Not entirely sure monbiot is a communist.
The point is, you cannot have continuous growth and also save the environment.
I think he is (or used to be) an anarchist. "Which is pretty much what the extinction rebellion mob are, well the ringleaders at least. They don't really give a toss about the planet. It's just this weeks latest wheeze they can use to cause havoc. Aided and abetted by the usual dimwits who will plant a tree on Westminster bridge, dance around a bit then go for a skinny latte while they phone daddy to pick them up in the Chelsea tractor. When they get back to their central heated bedroom bristling with every electronic gadget known to mankind (all plugged in and on charge of course) they will stare up at the Polar Bear poster on the wall and think: WOW! I've done my bit for the planet. | |||
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"We are half way through the biggest extinction event in history nobody gives a fuck really.Just faux Outrage from some hipsters. Carry on.
People do give a fuck, but to actually do something that makes a difference would require such a change that they can't fathom it, and so convince themselves that recycling/re-using shopping bags is enough.
There's some pretty interesting writing out there from the likes of George Monbiot (who I'm not always a fan of) about it. The analysis is that capitalism is not compatible with saving the environment.
Socialism/communism would probably be as bad or worse for the environment.
You wouldn't have any billionaire tech hipsters buying up forests for preservation and a lower tax bill.The state has historically been a poor custodian of the environment.
The best bet is global corporations managing what little is left with ruthless authority.Human free zones would be my choice patrolled by lethal automonous drones.
We've lost the right enter the last wildernesses.Shoot on sight any trespassers.
Not entirely sure monbiot is a communist.
The point is, you cannot have continuous growth and also save the environment.
I think he is (or used to be) an anarchist.
Which is pretty much what the extinction rebellion mob are, well the ringleaders at least.
They don't really give a toss about the planet. It's just this weeks latest wheeze they can use to cause havoc.
Aided and abetted by the usual dimwits who will plant a tree on Westminster bridge, dance around a bit then go for a skinny latte while they phone daddy to pick them up in the Chelsea tractor.
When they get back to their central heated bedroom bristling with every electronic gadget known to mankind (all plugged in and on charge of course) they will stare up at the Polar Bear poster on the wall and think: WOW! I've done my bit for the planet."What makes you think that anarchists don't give a toss about the planet? | |||
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"like sumone else already pointed out when it comes to polluting we are way behind a lot of other country we not even the worst in europe think poland and germany are burning more coal thsn the rest of europe put together. Which is where the EU is very important. It is trying to adopt ambitious targets for climate neutrality by 2050. That would require countries to completely decarbonise their energy infrastructure. Most countries have signed up to it. Germany, Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are holding out. " so germany biggest economy in europe i really cant see them going green if it cuts into there profits.sure i read somewhere the biggest coal burners in europe am sure windmills and solar panels aint gona meet there energy needs and they need energy to be the biggest economy.only way the planet stands a chance is if the human race shrinks massivley.more people = more pollution | |||
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"like sumone else already pointed out when it comes to polluting we are way behind a lot of other country we not even the worst in europe think poland and germany are burning more coal thsn the rest of europe put together. Which is where the EU is very important. It is trying to adopt ambitious targets for climate neutrality by 2050. That would require countries to completely decarbonise their energy infrastructure. Most countries have signed up to it. Germany, Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are holding out. so germany biggest economy in europe i really cant see them going green if it cuts into there profits.sure i read somewhere the biggest coal burners in europe am sure windmills and solar panels aint gona meet there energy needs and they need energy to be the biggest economy.only way the planet stands a chance is if the human race shrinks massivley.more people = more pollution" Germany has had a huge surge to the Green Party recently.Keep up and stay informed. | |||
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"As already said I don't think these idiots are doing any good what so ever. I alway get public transport into work. However because of these muppets I'm driving in. That's one car emissions extra for London due to these twats. If you protest is about the environment why target public transport? Why target a country (the Uk) who'so share of global carbon dioxide emissions is 1%! Why not protest in China, USA, India, Russia or even Germany. These are the countries that would need to change first. Maybe flying to china to protest isn't environmentally friendly..Just sayin. "You could drive there in a solar powered car.... A Dutch bloke has driven to Sydney in an electric car (apart from the ocean bit). Did take him two years though ?? | |||
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"As already said I don't think these idiots are doing any good what so ever. I alway get public transport into work. However because of these muppets I'm driving in. That's one car emissions extra for London due to these twats. If you protest is about the environment why target public transport? Why target a country (the Uk) who'so share of global carbon dioxide emissions is 1%! Why not protest in China, USA, India, Russia or even Germany. These are the countries that would need to change first. Maybe flying to china to protest isn't environmentally friendly..Just sayin.
You could drive there in a solar powered car.... A Dutch bloke has driven to Sydney in an electric car (apart from the ocean bit). Did take him two years though ??"They should walk and swim there. It would shows us how committed they really are, rather than coming to the capital and causing traffic jams! All they have done so far is caused extra exhaust emissions and left their rubbish everywhere. Very eco friendly aren't they!! | |||
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"As already said I don't think these idiots are doing any good what so ever. I alway get public transport into work. However because of these muppets I'm driving in. That's one car emissions extra for London due to these twats. If you protest is about the environment why target public transport? Why target a country (the Uk) who'so share of global carbon dioxide emissions is 1%! Why not protest in China, USA, India, Russia or even Germany. These are the countries that would need to change first. Maybe flying to china to protest isn't environmentally friendly..Just sayin.
You could drive there in a solar powered car.... A Dutch bloke has driven to Sydney in an electric car (apart from the ocean bit). Did take him two years though ??
They should walk and swim there.
It would shows us how committed they really are, rather than coming to the capital and causing traffic jams!
All they have done so far is caused extra exhaust emissions and left their rubbish everywhere.
Very eco friendly aren't they!!"If they aren't wearing clothes made of hemp or something really itchy and drinking from a muddy stream and haven't showered since 2014 they should shut the fuck up Am I right... Fucking clowns .plastic eco warriors.They aren't even biodegradable... | |||
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"OK let's say tomorrow we suddenly become a zero carbon emission nation. Will that save the plant or make a difference. The true answer is no. Why because the UK only emits 1% of the total carbon emissions. To make a difference you have to have the big five do something otherwise it's not going to work. " As the country that started the industrial revolution and who's legacy is the industrialised world we live in we have a duty to be the example to other nations because great countries lead by example.Something our political class have forgotten. | |||
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"like sumone else already pointed out when it comes to polluting we are way behind a lot of other country we not even the worst in europe think poland and germany are burning more coal thsn the rest of europe put together. Which is where the EU is very important. It is trying to adopt ambitious targets for climate neutrality by 2050. That would require countries to completely decarbonise their energy infrastructure. Most countries have signed up to it. Germany, Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are holding out. so germany biggest economy in europe i really cant see them going green if it cuts into there profits.sure i read somewhere the biggest coal burners in europe am sure windmills and solar panels aint gona meet there energy needs and they need energy to be the biggest economy.only way the planet stands a chance is if the human race shrinks massivley.more people = more pollution Germany has had a huge surge to the Green Party recently.Keep up and stay informed. "ooo a surge to the green party.has this surge stopped them burning more coal than anyone else? how they gona get the energy to make all the stuff that makes there economy?? money talks unfortunatley and why the money rolls in there not intrested.suppose you dont agree with me either about the populatio. of the planet getti.g bigger means more pollution .amazing that anyone you disagree with is wrong.if you have all the answers please tell those in charge so we can all be saved | |||
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"OK let's say tomorrow we suddenly become a zero carbon emission nation. Will that save the plant or make a difference. The true answer is no. Why because the UK only emits 1% of the total carbon emissions. To make a difference you have to have the big five do something otherwise it's not going to work. As the country that started the industrial revolution and who's legacy is the industrialised world we live in we have a duty to be the example to other nations because great countries lead by example.Something our political class have forgotten." I thought there was no such thing as Great Britain anymore, that we're no longer a 'great' country, that we're unable to do anything on our own, that we're impotent without the rest of the EU being with us, that we need to be a part of them to acheive anything, that no-one will take any notice of us if we attempt anything unilaterally? | |||
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"OK let's say tomorrow we suddenly become a zero carbon emission nation. Will that save the plant or make a difference. The true answer is no. Why because the UK only emits 1% of the total carbon emissions. To make a difference you have to have the big five do something otherwise it's not going to work. As the country that started the industrial revolution and who's legacy is the industrialised world we live in we have a duty to be the example to other nations because great countries lead by example.Something our political class have forgotten." What a load of tosh! You change your tune when it suits your point of view. As for leading by example we did this week by having a low emissions zone in the capital. But the eco muppets fucked it up by causing traffic jams. | |||
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"OK let's say tomorrow we suddenly become a zero carbon emission nation. Will that save the plant or make a difference. The true answer is no. Why because the UK only emits 1% of the total carbon emissions. To make a difference you have to have the big five do something otherwise it's not going to work. As the country that started the industrial revolution and who's legacy is the industrialised world we live in we have a duty to be the example to other nations because great countries lead by example.Something our political class have forgotten. What a load of tosh! You change your tune when it suits your point of view. As for leading by example we did this week by having a low emissions zone in the capital. But the eco muppets fucked it up by causing traffic jams." We will lead and so will other countries.We just need a green government and only the Green Party can deliver the changes needed. The greens are in ascendancy across Europe.Its a positive change that is driven by youth.As its the kids who will inherit the mistakes of the wilfully ignorant like your good self . We are one people on one blue ball and a change is needed .. | |||
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"Fast forward 50 or 100 years, and these people will be icons of the era, just as the suffragettes were icons of theirs. " | |||
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"like sumone else already pointed out when it comes to polluting we are way behind a lot of other country we not even the worst in europe think poland and germany are burning more coal thsn the rest of europe put together. Which is where the EU is very important. It is trying to adopt ambitious targets for climate neutrality by 2050. That would require countries to completely decarbonise their energy infrastructure. Most countries have signed up to it. Germany, Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are holding out. so germany biggest economy in europe i really cant see them going green if it cuts into there profits.sure i read somewhere the biggest coal burners in europe am sure windmills and solar panels aint gona meet there energy needs and they need energy to be the biggest economy.only way the planet stands a chance is if the human race shrinks massivley.more people = more pollution Germany has had a huge surge to the Green Party recently.Keep up and stay informed.
ooo a surge to the green party.has this surge stopped them burning more coal than anyone else? how they gona get the energy to make all the stuff that makes there economy?? money talks unfortunatley and why the money rolls in there not intrested.suppose you dont agree with me either about the populatio. of the planet getti.g bigger means more pollution .amazing that anyone you disagree with is wrong.if you have all the answers please tell those in charge so we can all be saved "You've given up bro by no longer participating in your democracy.So what happens to the climate is out of your control through your inaction.Just buy some popcorn kick back and watch it unfold just don't moan about it or complain. As I've told you if you turn your back on the fire don't complain when you sit back down on hot coals. The good and decent people will try and make the changes necessary regardless of your apathy. | |||
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"i am kicking back and watching it will be as usefull as the march remain done the other week.like i said money talks .only way they will get what they want is if green partys start bocoming the rulling partys and that aint gonna happen.like people on here love pointing out theres 65 million in this country and they cant get more than 10 000 there. how comes you aint there? you always seem to be on the winning side "The Green Party are the winning side dude ! I voted remain and didn't go on any of the marches which probably makes me a plastic remainer in your book.. I've voted green all my life Yet I don't have a friend called swampy who lives in the woods drinking from puddles another epic fail.I should hang my head in shame.I did plant trees in Oregon in my 20s and took part in some illegal logging prevention measures.Give generous amounts to the woodland trust and other eco charities. Still probably not green enough to be hippy tree hugging lefty fior a stand up guy like yourself. It's like the guy who doesn't give a fuck about politics and the environment and never votes yet keeps posting in a political forum complaining about other people who partake in politics and saying that it's all pointless . It's a strange old world eh??? | |||
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"OK let's say tomorrow we suddenly become a zero carbon emission nation. Will that save the plant or make a difference. The true answer is no. Why because the UK only emits 1% of the total carbon emissions. To make a difference you have to have the big five do something otherwise it's not going to work. " But if we became a 0 carbon emission nation tomorrow within days you and I would notice how much easier it would be to breath. Our planet is so incredible that it would start to clean the air and recover, but you have to fight business not just here but stop it chopping done the trees just to satisfy mans greed for palm oil extra. Did anyone else feel physically sick to thier stomach to see that poor orangutang desperately trying to fight off that machine ripping down its home ? 
Mankind has become a bit of a cunt.
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"OK let's say tomorrow we suddenly become a zero carbon emission nation. Will that save the plant or make a difference. It's The true answer is no. Why because the UK only emits 1% of the total carbon emissions. To make a difference you have to have the big five do something otherwise it's not going to work. But if we became a 0 carbon emission nation tomorrow within days you and I would notice how much easier it would be to breath. Our planet is so incredible that it would start to clean the air and recover, but you have to fight business not just here but stop it chopping done the trees just to satisfy mans greed for palm oil extra. Did anyone else feel physically sick to thier stomach to see that poor orangutang desperately trying to fight off that machine ripping down its home ?
Mankind has become a bit of a cunt.
"TBH I think the public are bored if orangutans fighting JCBs and polar bears starving to death on icebergs. We can watch skinny kids with flies around their mouths and eyes crawling through rubbish dumps what hope has an orange monkey.. The only orange monkey that will make a difference is in the Whitehouse and the trumpanzees that support him are climate change deniers and aren't the brightest group. | |||
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"oh so because im not on your band wagon im not allowed an opinion eh you do realise the forums are for everone dont you? not just the monkeys from the left or right or in your case the greens.if everyone is so concerned about climate change how comes you only have one m.p? oh that is right the majority of the country dont wana give up their cars or stop there throw away lifestyles.i will keep posting on here as long as i like. "You're a man with fork in world of soup .I do hope you keep posting I'll leave you to it from now on though as it's all one sided . Peace and hippy green love brother. | |||
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"Can any of the ER protestors tell us how we are going to be carbon neutral by 2025? " Simple cut money to the NHS,pensions,and all social services and bring in martial law to stop people moving round. Seriously ,Emma Thompson has flown 5000 miles to join the protest,no doubt first class.If she really cared would she not have been better starting a protest in LA where I guess she was?No doubt after causing havoc she will get on a plane and go back to earn a fortune. These people set a bad example and turn people against them. There is allways something like stop globalisation,all the protestors on there US I phones,buying exotic food,wearing clothes made overseas etc,I agree with them but realise that causing problems to the majority will not work. In theory yes I agree with these people but why not protest outside the US and Chineese embassys etc. Years ago I agreed with ban the bomb still do,they caused problems to the public and turn opinion against them,all this stuff is counter productive. | |||
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"oh so because im not on your band wagon im not allowed an opinion eh you do realise the forums are for everone dont you? not just the monkeys from the left or right or in your case the greens.if everyone is so concerned about climate change how comes you only have one m.p? oh that is right the majority of the country dont wana give up their cars or stop there throw away lifestyles.i will keep posting on here as long as i like.
You're a man with fork in world of soup .I do hope you keep posting
I'll leave you to it from now on though as it's all one sided .
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"They had a protest in Nottingham yesterday, where they blocked several key roads for a few minutes at a time. The cars just sat there and continued to spew their fumes into the atmosphere, so not entirely how that helped. Disrupting public transport? Again, seems counter productive. Not taking their protests to India, China and the USA. Surely that's where the biggest problems are. Well let's face it. they are not the sharpest tools in the box. Cause traffic jams....more pollution. Disrupt public transport... I thought the green lobby wanted to get us all ONTO public transport. Protest at parliament...when all the MP's are on holiday.
Protest at Downing Street....When Mother Teresa is also on holiday.
Glue themselves to Corbyn's fence.... When he was down the allotment.
Yep, this lot are as blunt as a 4 pound lump hammer."I'll use the same logic people use when they want to point out that many working class labour voters voted for brexit. For one reason or another people are worried, stressed, concerned - feel like it's one rule for most of us, another for a minority. They were given the EU referendum as a potential sledge hammer and decided to swing it. The same goes for these climate activists. They feel concerned enough to give up time and mobilise to make a statement. Does it cause problems like brexit will. Yes. Do these people have a right to peacefully protest. Yes. Perhaps turning London into a urban traffic jam gets the message accross. I'd prefer a less disruptive resolution, but people feel like the issue is being tackled lethargically. | |||
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"Can any of the ER protestors tell us how we are going to be carbon neutral by 2025? " We probably can't. But using brexit logic, it's a negotiation. You start out with your dream and ideal, then negotiate to a more pragmatic and realistic ambition. | |||
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"Can any of the ER protestors tell us how we are going to be carbon neutral by 2025?" Maybe a really good place to start would be forcing the petrochemical industry to start using all the alternatives inventions to fossil fuels it has been buying up and then suppressing over the last 50 or so years. They could start by investing in a H2 refueling infrastructure. Just an idea. | |||
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"Can any of the ER protestors tell us how we are going to be carbon neutral by 2025? Simple cut money to the NHS,pensions,and all social services and bring in martial law to stop people moving round. Seriously ,Emma Thompson has flown 5000 miles to join the protest,no doubt first class.If she really cared would she not have been better starting a protest in LA where I guess she was?No doubt after causing havoc she will get on a plane and go back to earn a fortune. These people set a bad example and turn people against them. There is allways something like stop globalisation,all the protestors on there US I phones,buying exotic food,wearing clothes made overseas etc,I agree with them but realise that causing problems to the majority will not work. In theory yes I agree with these people but why not protest outside the US and Chineese embassys etc. Years ago I agreed with ban the bomb still do,they caused problems to the public and turn opinion against them,all this stuff is counter productive." Emma Thompson flew from the USA to protest here! Well that says how stupid these people are. The USA is number 2 on the carbon emissions list. Surely it would have made more sense to start a protest there? What about the carbon footprint of her plane journey as well..!! | |||
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"what amuses me is hearing reporters say how is disrupting day to day life of ordinary people helping get the message across? And then editing out the answers of: How is being poisoned by petrochemical by products sold by multinationals who are killing the planet improving daily life for the majority?" . Yeah like nobody's benefited from air travel and car travel!. Are you living on planet earth?, or under a stone for a hundred years. | |||
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"Can any of the ER protestors tell us how we are going to be carbon neutral by 2025? Simple cut money to the NHS,pensions,and all social services and bring in martial law to stop people moving round. Seriously ,Emma Thompson has flown 5000 miles to join the protest,no doubt first class.If she really cared would she not have been better starting a protest in LA where I guess she was?No doubt after causing havoc she will get on a plane and go back to earn a fortune. These people set a bad example and turn people against them. There is allways something like stop globalisation,all the protestors on there US I phones,buying exotic food,wearing clothes made overseas etc,I agree with them but realise that causing problems to the majority will not work. In theory yes I agree with these people but why not protest outside the US and Chineese embassys etc. Years ago I agreed with ban the bomb still do,they caused problems to the public and turn opinion against them,all this stuff is counter productive. Emma Thompson flew from the USA to protest here! Well that says how stupid these people are. The USA is number 2 on the carbon emissions list. Surely it would have made more sense to start a protest there? What about the carbon footprint of her plane journey as well..!!" Absolutely. | |||
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"I thint things are so serious that we have to take a war footing and ration. Fuel, meat, clothing, carbon heavy products etc. Basically reign in consumerism. But that is never going to happen until it's too late. We like our comfortable lifestyles and we will never give them up, even if it means the destruction of the planet. We are all fucking idiots " Somebody will release a plague before famine and war comes calling.Itll be a necessary lesson for mankind. It'll stop us and all other life from going extinct. | |||
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"When a govement spokesman says we will heavily tax companys using environmentaly unfriendly plastics in there products it shows where they truly stand. the heavy taxes are passed onto the consumer, believe the politican who says we will ban them immediatly "We can choose whether to pay more, or go find a cheaper plastic free alternative. It worked with bags. Imagine paying 10p more for a kg of carrots in plastic wrapping than in a paper bag. Would you pay the tax or make a different choice ? | |||
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"Protest is good for society especially if it’s non violent and all you wallys moaning about having to drive to work should get out on your bikes and pedal! ". Unless you need to take 30 tonnes of stuff with you, then you sound like a Wally for telling people to peddle. On your other point about protesting being good, I take it your all in favour of say far right protests over immigration?. | |||
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"Protest is good for society especially if it’s non violent and all you wallys moaning about having to drive to work should get out on your bikes and pedal! "i only use public transport or ride my bike and i still think they are being dicks.u been to marble arch since they been there? all there doing why there blocking roads in central london is pushing more cars into residential areas more cars more pollution into people who live there lungs.looks and smells disgusting the sheds there usin as toilets not plumbed into anything so rivers of piss running down the road.was up there saturday for a drink so thought id drop by.usual suspects eco warriors and students mainly who know doubt when they graduate will end up working for a lot of companys who there protestin about.when push comes to shove cash always wins | |||
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"Protest is good for society especially if it’s non violent and all you wallys moaning about having to drive to work should get out on your bikes and pedal! "Some are professional moaners.No doubt these hypocrites supported the yellow vests and their actions... They same tools moaned about the kids missing school and protesting... | |||
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"Protest is good for society especially if it’s non violent and all you wallys moaning about having to drive to work should get out on your bikes and pedal!
i only use public transport or ride my bike and i still think they are being dicks.u been to marble arch since they been there? all there doing why there blocking roads in central london is pushing more cars into residential areas more cars more pollution into people who live there lungs.looks and smells disgusting the sheds there usin as toilets not plumbed into anything so rivers of piss running down the road.was up there saturday for a drink so thought id drop by.usual suspects eco warriors and students mainly who know doubt when they graduate will end up working for a lot of companys who there protestin about.when push comes to shove cash always wins"
Those composting toilets work pretty well out on the farm, but on tarmac they loose there purpose pretty quick.
I agree with some of the points these groups try to make, however at the end of the day, folk have to earn a wage to live, you have to travel to work, you have to heat your home. Electric cars are expensive and the power still comes from fossil fuel power stations or nuclear. Nuclear was once the forbidden power, now that's accepted, but the spent fuel takes hundreds of years to degrade. we are not all lucky to live off the land in an eco community. There isn't enough land to errect windfarms, every available plot of land would have to have a wind generator. To become carbon neutral by 2025 would mean giving up the engine, the aeroplane, the boat.No more travel, no more comfortable living. The technology does not exist to go back to the moon, so what technology will power the transportation of goods and services? What will light your homes, cook your food, we can't all be cutting down trees to make a fire, trees eat carbon dioxide. Is this carbon neutral thing been thought through? Oh and as human beings we breath out carbon dioxide hows that going to work? | |||
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"They may be aiming too high ... but sometimes you need to do that to really make big gains. I’m sure years ago we’d have been thinking the same about electric cars. We’re meant to be an innovative country able to rising to challenges (see any brexit thread). Yet come changes to how we live we roll over and say it’s too hard. More Dunkirk than d-day. " Exactly it's all technological feasible it's the will that's lacking and hindered by short term think over a long term view. The Saudis know the age of oil is over with the statement "The Stone Age didn't end because they ran out of stone" Now in the last year the production cost of renewables is lower than that of fossil fuels.Its an Inevitable direction of travel away from fossil fuels. | |||
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"They may be aiming too high ... but sometimes you need to do that to really make big gains. I’m sure years ago we’d have been thinking the same about electric cars. We’re meant to be an innovative country able to rising to challenges (see any brexit thread). Yet come changes to how we live we roll over and say it’s too hard. More Dunkirk than d-day. Exactly it's all technological feasible it's the will that's lacking and hindered by short term think over a long term view. The Saudis know the age of oil is over with the statement "The Stone Age didn't end because they ran out of stone" Now in the last year the production cost of renewables is lower than that of fossil fuels.Its an Inevitable direction of travel away from fossil fuels. " . Thats nonsense, go away and read some actual science. All the batteries in the world couldn't hold ten minutes of world energy usage never mind an hour or a whole day. Besides digging up the resources for batteries and then dismantling them after there life is up requires energy, digging up resources for solar, digging up resources for wind, you know concrete is responsible for 8% of world c02 levels?. What you planning on building the wind turbines from?. Honestly the downright dishonesty over c02 and climate is shocking, it's like a cult the new religion for stupid people. | |||
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"They may be aiming too high ... but sometimes you need to do that to really make big gains. I’m sure years ago we’d have been thinking the same about electric cars. We’re meant to be an innovative country able to rising to challenges (see any brexit thread). Yet come changes to how we live we roll over and say it’s too hard. More Dunkirk than d-day. Exactly it's all technological feasible it's the will that's lacking and hindered by short term think over a long term view. The Saudis know the age of oil is over with the statement "The Stone Age didn't end because they ran out of stone" Now in the last year the production cost of renewables is lower than that of fossil fuels.Its an Inevitable direction of travel away from fossil fuels. . Thats nonsense, go away and read some actual science. All the batteries in the world couldn't hold ten minutes of world energy usage never mind an hour or a whole day. Besides digging up the resources for batteries and then dismantling them after there life is up requires energy, digging up resources for solar, digging up resources for wind, you know concrete is responsible for 8% of world c02 levels?. What you planning on building the wind turbines from?. Honestly the downright dishonesty over c02 and climate is shocking, it's like a cult the new religion for stupid people." I have no issue with nuclear power .The solution is multifaceted if you can see past your own BS. | |||
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"What do they make oil rigs out of? Because here’s the thing. We need new *somethings* .. why can the somethings support a cleaner fuel ?" . Steel and concrete, steel is made from iron ore which requires digging up and then processing which uses vast amounts of energy. I agree we need new things but just saying that doesn't change science or make new things appear, new things require energy, scientists require energy to heat their house, power their car, eat, drink. Every day people and companies are looking and trying very very hard to find energy sources cheaper and cleaner and portable and abundant but alas they don't grow on trees. Climate scientists are in agreement that c02 causes warming, how much warming is where they differ, some think drastic warming some think negligible and some think hardly anything. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater seems to be the modern Snowflake reaction to every problem in the world today. | |||
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"What do they make oil rigs out of? Because here’s the thing. We need new *somethings* .. why can the somethings support a cleaner fuel ?. Steel and concrete, steel is made from iron ore which requires digging up and then processing which uses vast amounts of energy. I agree we need new things but just saying that doesn't change science or make new things appear, new things require energy, scientists require energy to heat their house, power their car, eat, drink. Every day people and companies are looking and trying very very hard to find energy sources cheaper and cleaner and portable and abundant but alas they don't grow on trees. Climate scientists are in agreement that c02 causes warming, how much warming is where they differ, some think drastic warming some think negligible and some think hardly anything. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater seems to be the modern Snowflake reaction to every problem in the world today." There we have it the climate change denial card played by the dishonest and wilfully ignorant .. Quality. | |||
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"They may be aiming too high ... but sometimes you need to do that to really make big gains. I’m sure years ago we’d have been thinking the same about electric cars. We’re meant to be an innovative country able to rising to challenges (see any brexit thread). Yet come changes to how we live we roll over and say it’s too hard. More Dunkirk than d-day. Exactly it's all technological feasible it's the will that's lacking and hindered by short term think over a long term view. The Saudis know the age of oil is over with the statement "The Stone Age didn't end because they ran out of stone" Now in the last year the production cost of renewables is lower than that of fossil fuels.Its an Inevitable direction of travel away from fossil fuels. . Thats nonsense, go away and read some actual science. All the batteries in the world couldn't hold ten minutes of world energy usage never mind an hour or a whole day. Besides digging up the resources for batteries and then dismantling them after there life is up requires energy, digging up resources for solar, digging up resources for wind, you know concrete is responsible for 8% of world c02 levels?. What you planning on building the wind turbines from?. Honestly the downright dishonesty over c02 and climate is shocking, it's like a cult the new religion for stupid people. I have no issue with nuclear power .The solution is multifaceted if you can see past your own BS. ". Nuclear power over it's lifetime produces near close c02 as gas turbines. I don't know about mine but I've certainly seen past yours. | |||
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"What do they make oil rigs out of? Because here’s the thing. We need new *somethings* .. why can the somethings support a cleaner fuel ?. Steel and concrete, steel is made from iron ore which requires digging up and then processing which uses vast amounts of energy. I agree we need new things but just saying that doesn't change science or make new things appear, new things require energy, scientists require energy to heat their house, power their car, eat, drink. Every day people and companies are looking and trying very very hard to find energy sources cheaper and cleaner and portable and abundant but alas they don't grow on trees. Climate scientists are in agreement that c02 causes warming, how much warming is where they differ, some think drastic warming some think negligible and some think hardly anything. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater seems to be the modern Snowflake reaction to every problem in the world today. There we have it the climate change denial card played by the dishonest and wilfully ignorant .. Quality. ". I think if you actually read anything you'll see that statement to be factually correct and yours to be wilfully dishonest and more to the point dangerous. | |||
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"What do they make oil rigs out of? Because here’s the thing. We need new *somethings* .. why can the somethings support a cleaner fuel ?. Steel and concrete, steel is made from iron ore which requires digging up and then processing which uses vast amounts of energy. I agree we need new things but just saying that doesn't change science or make new things appear, new things require energy, scientists require energy to heat their house, power their car, eat, drink. Every day people and companies are looking and trying very very hard to find energy sources cheaper and cleaner and portable and abundant but alas they don't grow on trees. Climate scientists are in agreement that c02 causes warming, how much warming is where they differ, some think drastic warming some think negligible and some think hardly anything. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater seems to be the modern Snowflake reaction to every problem in the world today." I’m in agreement it’s not easy. And we don’t have immediate solutions. But an intent and an awareness is good. The trouble is the knee jerk reaction to the “virtue signallers” is to double down on doing nothing. I can’t be zero carbon so fuck it. I will carry on regardless. That will teach em for making em late. (Strawman alert ... I’m putting words in mouths) There’s throwing the baby out. And there’s leaving the baby in dirty water. I’m sure there’s a middle ground where we can have baby without dirty water ... | |||
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Unless you need to take 30 tonnes of stuff with you, then you sound like a Wally for telling people to peddle.
On your other point about protesting being good, I take it your all in favour of say far right protests over immigration?."Thats a very wanky argument! My point was that non violent protest is a good thing for society as it bypasses the controlling influence of parliament and the conservative dominated media. Also I am not stupid enough to think that a bicycle will replace the need for heavy goods haulage. It was a cheap shot and you know it! | |||
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"What do they make oil rigs out of? Because here’s the thing. We need new *somethings* .. why can the somethings support a cleaner fuel ?. Steel and concrete, steel is made from iron ore which requires digging up and then processing which uses vast amounts of energy. I agree we need new things but just saying that doesn't change science or make new things appear, new things require energy, scientists require energy to heat their house, power their car, eat, drink. Every day people and companies are looking and trying very very hard to find energy sources cheaper and cleaner and portable and abundant but alas they don't grow on trees. Climate scientists are in agreement that c02 causes warming, how much warming is where they differ, some think drastic warming some think negligible and some think hardly anything. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater seems to be the modern Snowflake reaction to every problem in the world today. I’m in agreement it’s not easy. And we don’t have immediate solutions. But an intent and an awareness is good. The trouble is the knee jerk reaction to the “virtue signallers” is to double down on doing nothing. I can’t be zero carbon so fuck it. I will carry on regardless. That will teach em for making em late. (Strawman alert ... I’m putting words in mouths) There’s throwing the baby out. And there’s leaving the baby in dirty water. I’m sure there’s a middle ground where we can have baby without dirty water ... " . But it's just not true that were doing nothing, in thirty years we've gone from catalysts on cars to computer controlled engine management, from 25 average mpg to 65 mpg to hybrid to electric cars, decent amount of energy being produced by "renewables"but alas in that time of technical gains we've also got growth in people and usage and phones and PlayStations and mass produced clothing. Until we do something about growth the technical gains will always lag. Personally I don't think c02 levels are anywhere near dangerous, we started the industrial Revolution at record low dangerous levels of 250, the long term average for earth is a 1000 and life managed just fine and dandy. | |||
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"It's quite simple if you went to 10 doctors and 9 of them said you had cancer the climate deniers would choose the guy who gave you the all clear...
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"I saw a post before on Facebook and showing that the protesters left a park in left it in a mess something you see after a _estival when the parties over and gone home.. " No. No they didn't. It was a 420 smoke in _estival. XR went and cleared it up. I'd appreciate it if you could spread the truth really that picture | |||
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"I'm not detecting a lot of sympathy in Bristol for their antics this week. " They had agreements from marvellous marv but then decided to overstep the boundary’s by blocking the m32 and approaching the MOD at Abby Wood causing so much mayhem way and above the limit agreed. | |||
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"I'm not detecting a lot of sympathy in Bristol for their antics this week. " . Everybody sympathies until it effects there daily routine. It's human nature, there's a few on here that trumpet the green agenda but there just virtue signalling, given the choice of missing their flight to California or rebellion they'll choose the flight!. | |||
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"They had a protest in Nottingham yesterday, where they blocked several key roads for a few minutes at a time. The cars just sat there and continued to spew their fumes into the atmosphere, so not entirely how that helped. Disrupting public transport? Again, seems counter productive. Not taking their protests to India, China and the USA. Surely that's where the biggest problems are. " The UK is one of the cleanest countries in the G20, yet we think that replacing plastic straws with paper ones will make a big difference. China alone is talking about opening up a new coal-fired power station EVERY TWO WEEKS until 2030!!! Whilst any change towards recycled resources, and using renewable energy sources is a good thing, our efforts for the good of the environment are being dwarfed by the pollution from China, India, Africa and the USA. | |||
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"They had a protest in Nottingham yesterday, where they blocked several key roads for a few minutes at a time. The cars just sat there and continued to spew their fumes into the atmosphere, so not entirely how that helped. Disrupting public transport? Again, seems counter productive. Not taking their protests to India, China and the USA. Surely that's where the biggest problems are. The UK is one of the cleanest countries in the G20, yet we think that replacing plastic straws with paper ones will make a big difference. China alone is talking about opening up a new coal-fired power station EVERY TWO WEEKS until 2030!!! Whilst any change towards recycled resources, and using renewable energy sources is a good thing, our efforts for the good of the environment are being dwarfed by the pollution from China, India, Africa and the USA. " You keep saying that. The reality is it met its Paris commitments early. It is churning out nuclear and solar at a rapid rate. The first in the world to build and switch on the European reactors being built at Hinkley Point. Pointing the finger at China really is dreaming up an excuse for doing nothing. | |||
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"I think extinction rebellion has gone too far and lost a lot of support over the last week How far would be too far with regard to which species we allow to become extinct..???" Until things like palm oil production and mining more and more oils gas and world resources stop things will not change enough. You can ban all the cars from the centre of cities and make them all green spaces and the only thing that will happen is shops ect will move out of town and the towns will die | |||
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"I think extinction rebellion has gone too far and lost a lot of support over the last week How far would be too far with regard to which species we allow to become extinct..??? Until things like palm oil production and mining more and more oils gas and world resources stop things will not change enough. You can ban all the cars from the centre of cities and make them all green spaces and the only thing that will happen is shops ect will move out of town and the towns will die" If you banned all cars from cities and drastically reduced air pollution then you could save tens of thousands of lives a year .Many of those lives children. | |||
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"We are half way through the biggest extinction event in history nobody gives a fuck really.Just faux Outrage from some hipsters. Carry on. "This | |||
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"If we were to ban motor transport from city centres, how would we blame cyclists for, well, everything?! Just the fossil fuel polluting vehicles need to be banned to prevent some of the 60k deaths in the UK attributed to air pollution . You can still abuse cyclists in electric vehicles." It’s a great idea in principle and if someone can build a van that’s electric will do 300 miles in a day with all systems running that I could actually afford to buy and run while still making a living I would be right there. At the moment it would cost more than I make 
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"I agree that is at present an issue but you know that wont always be the case. New technologies become more and more affordable over time.As we all know if you've bought a of or a tv or mobile over the last 20 years.. It's as inevitable as the transition from horse power to steam to fossil fuels. | |||
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"Have you tried breathing the air on New Delhi or Shanghai? I doubt it will make you laugh." exactly thats why the protesters should go and protest there, blocking the streets of London is not going to change anything in india or china. | |||
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"Have you tried breathing the air on New Delhi or Shanghai? I doubt it will make you laugh." I really do wonder who isn't in favour of their children and grand children breathing clean air .. When Public Health England publishes air pollution evidence saying this year. "Air pollution is the biggest environmental threat to health in the UK." They also attributed 30,000 deaths a year from air pollution. Who doesn't want clean air ..?? | |||
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"If we were to ban motor transport from city centres, how would we blame cyclists for, well, everything?! Just the fossil fuel polluting vehicles need to be banned to prevent some of the 60k deaths in the UK attributed to air pollution . You can still abuse cyclists in electric vehicles. It’s a great idea in principle and if someone can build a van that’s electric will do 300 miles in a day with all systems running that I could actually afford to buy and run while still making a living I would be right there. At the moment it would cost more than I make
I agree that is at present an issue but you know that wont always be the case.
New technologies become more and more affordable over time.As we all know if you've bought a of or a tv or mobile over the last 20 years..
It's as inevitable as the transition from horse power to steam to fossil fuels.
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"If we were to ban motor transport from city centres, how would we blame cyclists for, well, everything?! Just the fossil fuel polluting vehicles need to be banned to prevent some of the 60k deaths in the UK attributed to air pollution . You can still abuse cyclists in electric vehicles. It’s a great idea in principle and if someone can build a van that’s electric will do 300 miles in a day with all systems running that I could actually afford to buy and run while still making a living I would be right there. At the moment it would cost more than I make
I agree that is at present an issue but you know that wont always be the case.
New technologies become more and more affordable over time.As we all know if you've bought a of or a tv or mobile over the last 20 years..
It's as inevitable as the transition from horse power to steam to fossil fuels.
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"Have you tried breathing the air on New Delhi or Shanghai? I doubt it will make you laugh." Bangalore was bad enough, but that wasn't the point. If you are happy to sacrifice our economy (and I mean the whole of Europe) by taxing people (and businesses) off the roads and businesses into oblivion then carry on. The Chinese and Indians will just carry on regardless. To be fair their cities will be hell holes but as far as climate change goes, we all piss in the same pot. By all means breathe you clean air, but one day it could be all you have left. | |||
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"Have you tried breathing the air on New Delhi or Shanghai? I doubt it will make you laugh. I really do wonder who isn't in favour of their children and grand children breathing clean air .. When Public Health England publishes air pollution evidence saying this year. "Air pollution is the biggest environmental threat to health in the UK." They also attributed 30,000 deaths a year from air pollution. Who doesn't want clean air ..?? " Here we go again. "Attributed to" By who? by what measure? to what degree? How many of the 30,000 (it was 60,000 further up the thread BTW) were smokers for example. It's just vague bullshit. Come on put some meat on the bones. Lets see some real evidence on the subject, not just the opinion of some quango justifying its budget. How do they get to that (or any other) number? Sounds more like the late Keith Waterhouse's character Arnold from the National Office for Guesswork to me. | |||
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"You seem to think this is a zero sum game. It's not. Both China and India are delivering on their commitments to the Paris accord." Oh yeah right. And their commitments were what exactly? In Bangalore you were not allowed smoke in the street but thousands of Tuk Tuks were still burning 2 stoke, and the smouldering coal depot on the dockside that you could smell from 5 miles offshore. Sounds like a proper commitment to me NOT. | |||
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"I wonder why people think public health England are making up facts about air quality and deaths. I suppose if it doesn't fit your climate deniers agenda it must be a lie. Luckily all political parties are onboard with cleaning up the environment .Except the far right parties in Europe as can been seen clearly by the alt right fan boys here. Luckily the moderates are in charge in Europe and the right wing extremists who will polllute at any cost are dwindling in number.. The future is green and clean for our children. "Not a climate change denier at all. I actually believe that A. It is happening and B. Something has to be done to, at least, mitigate it. What I don't subscribe to is all the hysterical nonsense that is being peddled by the green lobby that the politicians have swallowed hook,line and sinker. FFS that stupid little girl from somewhere in the frozen north is now spouting that democracy should be abolished to save the planet. 
Oh! BTW. Someone forgot to mention that a substantial chunk of the particulates that everybody seems to be blaming diesel for has got sod all to do with diesel. A huge percentage is from wear of frictional materials in cars (brakes, clutch, tyres Etc.) so no matter how many electric cars you put on the road they will still produce those.
Oh! Seeing as you like reports and statistics so much, here is something else.
A recent report in Germany estimates that the average electric car will need to do over 100,000 kms before it is carbon neutral, and that doesn't count the environmental issues caused by extracting the Lithium used for the batteries. So don't start polishing your halo just yet. | |||
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"I wonder why people think public health England are making up facts about air quality and deaths. I suppose if it doesn't fit your climate deniers agenda it must be a lie. Luckily all political parties are onboard with cleaning up the environment .Except the far right parties in Europe as can been seen clearly by the alt right fan boys here. Luckily the moderates are in charge in Europe and the right wing extremists who will polllute at any cost are dwindling in number.. The future is green and clean for our children. "Piers Corbyn.... Far right extremist.... Pmsl. | |||
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"I wonder why people think public health England are making up facts about air quality and deaths. I suppose if it doesn't fit your climate deniers agenda it must be a lie. Luckily all political parties are onboard with cleaning up the environment .Except the far right parties in Europe as can been seen clearly by the alt right fan boys here. Luckily the moderates are in charge in Europe and the right wing extremists who will polllute at any cost are dwindling in number.. The future is green and clean for our children.
Piers Corbyn.... Far right extremist.... Pmsl. "The anti Semitic guy with an interest weather ?? He's a bit nuts though and some of his views are extremists in nature. A pinch of salt is required me thinks.. You've probably seen his conspiracy tin foil tweets | |||
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"What's the worse that can happen if those scientists are wrong. We reduce deaths from air pollution We live in a cleaner environment. We breath cleaner air . We all live longer.. It's a vote winner.Thats why every party has jumped on the green ticket and made pledges that wouldn't have happened a decade a go. Change will be difficult for some older members of our community but they'll adapt like they did with the coming of digital age recently... "We reduce deaths from air pollution. Maybe but first they need to prove how many are being killed by it in the first place. We live in a cleaner environment. Probably true in the big cities but elsewhere the difference will be negligible. We breath cleaner air. Answer as above. We all live longer. I wouldn't count on that one (see below) The one you missed out is that we will probably all be skint. To make such drastic changes and in such a short space of time would devastate the economy. When you get knifed in the street for a bag of potatoes at least your last breath will be clean. | |||
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"What's the worse that can happen if those scientists are wrong. We reduce deaths from air pollution We live in a cleaner environment. We breath cleaner air . We all live longer.. It's a vote winner.Thats why every party has jumped on the green ticket and made pledges that wouldn't have happened a decade a go. Change will be difficult for some older members of our community but they'll adapt like they did with the coming of digital age recently... ". I don't think that's true to be honest, the older section of society still remember what it was like to be born live work socialise marry have kids holiday and be buried in one town. Anybody under 30 doesn't have clue, there all ready the most fragile in society (just look at their suicide rates and rates of mental illness). Although one things for sure, it will kill or cure them, I'm just betting on the latter!. | |||
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"If we were to ban motor transport from city centres, how would we blame cyclists for, well, everything?! Just the fossil fuel polluting vehicles need to be banned to prevent some of the 60k deaths in the UK attributed to air pollution . You can still abuse cyclists in electric vehicles. It’s a great idea in principle and if someone can build a van that’s electric will do 300 miles in a day with all systems running that I could actually afford to buy and run while still making a living I would be right there. At the moment it would cost more than I make
I agree that is at present an issue but you know that wont always be the case.
New technologies become more and more affordable over time.As we all know if you've bought a of or a tv or mobile over the last 20 years..
It's as inevitable as the transition from horse power to steam to fossil fuels.
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"Wreck the economy? Have you seen the maps of Britain inundated by different rises in sea levels? Do you think our economy will cope with the cost of evacuating and rebuilding all those villages, towns and cities on dry land?" They've been telling us that for years, nay decades. Rising sea levels will shrink Britain by a half/third/quarter (pluck any fraction you like out of thin air) and guess what? apart from the coastal erosion on the east coast, which has been going on for centuries and is bugger all to do with rising sea levels, nothing has happened. Even the little naturist cove we use in Spain, which is very susceptible to the slightest rise in sea level, has more sand on it now than ever. In 1588 the village of Singleleton Thorpe along with the ancient forest of Amouderness (near Blackpool BTW) disappeared under the Irish sea never to be seen again. I blame the Spanish Armada with all their diesel powered ships for it. Oh wait a minute. | |||
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" But to put legally binding targets for technology that we haven't got yet is the height of stupidity or arrogance or both." No, because it drives change and it drives innovation. Our history is full of practices and techniques that we allowed, until we realised the harm they did and outlawed them. This is no different. Neither is the resistance of some people to change. | |||
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"You cannot pass legislation in the Palace of Westminster to compel a foreign government (Ireland) or institution (the EU) to do something. The comparison is ludicrous - are you suggesting the UK Parliament should pass an Act that prohibits any border infrastructure on the island of Ireland (i.e. it compels the UK Government to do something else?) " And you can pass legislation to invent something that hasn't yet been invented? Do you not see how ridiculous that is? | |||
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" But to put legally binding targets for technology that we haven't got yet is the height of stupidity or arrogance or both. No, because it drives change and it drives innovation. Our history is full of practices and techniques that we allowed, until we realised the harm they did and outlawed them. This is no different. Neither is the resistance of some people to change. " Resistance is futile .The debate happened years ago the decisions needed to move over to EVs happened years ago.The manufacturers are all switching over to EVs . The giga battery factories are coming online.The technologies may seem disruptive initially but that's always the case with innovative technology . | |||
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"You clearly do not understand the power of Parliament if that is what you believe. " I order you to invent a three pronged gangling pin that will cure cancer, solve climate change, and make humanity immortal. You will do it now, or else. | |||
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" But to put legally binding targets for technology that we haven't got yet is the height of stupidity or arrogance or both. No, because it drives change and it drives innovation. Our history is full of practices and techniques that we allowed, until we realised the harm they did and outlawed them. This is no different. Neither is the resistance of some people to change. Resistance is futile .The debate happened years ago the decisions needed to move over to EVs happened years ago.The manufacturers are all switching over to EVs . The giga battery factories are coming online.The technologies may seem disruptive initially but that's always the case with innovative technology . " No it's not. The rush for electric will be like the dash for diesel. In 10 or 20 years time we will be told that generating the power for all the electric cars is damaging the environment and either Hydrogen fuel cells will have turned the technological corner or driving a car will only be for the rich and privileged. Probably the later. | |||
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"Another £80 million today from the UK Government towards electric vehicles and hybrid aircraft. "Thats good even more reason for the mob to sod off and protest in china or india. | |||
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" But to put legally binding targets for technology that we haven't got yet is the height of stupidity or arrogance or both. No, because it drives change and it drives innovation. Our history is full of practices and techniques that we allowed, until we realised the harm they did and outlawed them. This is no different. Neither is the resistance of some people to change. Resistance is futile .The debate happened years ago the decisions needed to move over to EVs happened years ago.The manufacturers are all switching over to EVs . The giga battery factories are coming online.The technologies may seem disruptive initially but that's always the case with innovative technology . No it's not. The rush for electric will be like the dash for diesel. In 10 or 20 years time we will be told that generating the power for all the electric cars is damaging the environment and either Hydrogen fuel cells will have turned the technological corner or driving a car will only be for the rich and privileged. Probably the later." Now your talking about technology that doesn't exist . So if hydrogen fuel cells are just around the corner then fusion is just around the corner to power all these EVs. The price of a new electric VW golf around 30k .Comparabke to new petrol.. Same for model 3 tesla. | |||
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" No it's not. The rush for electric will be like the dash for diesel. In 10 or 20 years time we will be told that generating the power for all the electric cars is damaging the environment and either Hydrogen fuel cells will have turned the technological corner or driving a car will only be for the rich and privileged. Probably the later." You raise an interesting point about the supply of electricity. Energy policy right now is in a bit of a mess. The switch to electric vehicles requires a huge increase in low-carbon generating capacity. The price of wind is tumbling to levels no-one ever predicted. But it is intermittent, so a firm base load is needed and that can fall only to nuclear. But the Government has made a bit of a mess of the funding model and new build is stalling. Look out for a consultation this week on a new funding model to tempt the big players from Japan and Korea back into the market. We are going to need lots if the trains, planes and automobiles are going to be all electric. | |||
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"They remind me of nigel farage and his croonies. Another bunch of pricks who know things aren't right, have no idea how to solve it but moan when no one else solves it. Put them in charge of brexit, then we can all demonstrate against them when they fail abysmally." | |||
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"The net zero target - we re-capture as much carbon as we emit - is written into law, so that now drives policy across Government departments. I cannot see future governments changing it. If anything, accelerating it. There is a raft of other legislation that outlaws a number of things - the installation of new gas boilers from 2025 or so, the sale of fossil fuel engines by 2040 or so. In effect, the Government is using the levers of the state to create a new market for clean energy products to wean us off our addiction to fossil fuel." No new gas boilers? So, what will replace ours if it goes faulty after 2025, bearing in mind the cost of putting in gas lines, meters and central heating a few years ago for us and all the houses around here to have gas? | |||
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"Another £80 million today from the UK Government towards electric vehicles and hybrid aircraft. "Wow, a whole 80 million quid, that will make a big difference....not. | |||
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"Industry is forecasting price parity within the next couple of years." Yeah price parity by 2022 and EVs will be cheaper than fossil fuel vehicles by 2030 . | |||
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"The Canadian military have a base called Alert high up in the Arctic. The July average temp is 6-7 degrees. On Sunday, it hit a record high of 21 degrees. " Thermometer was resting against the toaster apparently | |||
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"Gas boilers to be fazed out and all electric ones installed, gas is cheaper so looks like we will all be hammered by the leccy companies from then on. The poorest will be hit the hardest " Are you corgi registered ? if so no problem as there will be money to be made in the switch over.. Always a silver lining. Stay positive and be part of the solution. | |||
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"Gas boilers to be fazed out and all electric ones installed, gas is cheaper so looks like we will all be hammered by the leccy companies from then on. The poorest will be hit the hardest Are you corgi registered ? if so no problem as there will be money to be made in the switch over.. Always a silver lining. Stay positive and be part of the solution." You are a bit behind the times bob corgi went out in 2009 its the gas safe register now. | |||
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"Gas boilers to be fazed out and all electric ones installed, gas is cheaper so looks like we will all be hammered by the leccy companies from then on. The poorest will be hit the hardest " You do realise electricity is generated from gas? | |||
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"Industry is forecasting price parity within the next couple of years." Parity with what? I can't afford a new car, can't really afford a nice 2nd hand one either, so "parity" is wasted on me. | |||
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"Don't worry - when the next crash happens there will be another "cash for clunkers" scheme to turn you green. "Clunker? I wouldn't describe it as that, and I certainly won't be getting rid of it for some battery powered go kart that will last all of five minutes before needing a new battery. | |||
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"Gas boilers to be fazed out and all electric ones installed, gas is cheaper so looks like we will all be hammered by the leccy companies from then on. The poorest will be hit the hardest You do realise electricity is generated from gas?" Yes I do thanks
But as I said the the cost of running an electric boiler will too much for a lot of people compared to a gas combi boiler
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"Gas boilers to be fazed out and all electric ones installed, gas is cheaper so looks like we will all be hammered by the leccy companies from then on. The poorest will be hit the hardest You do realise electricity is generated from gas? Yes I do thanks
But as I said the the cost of running an electric boiler will too much for a lot of people compared to a gas combi boiler
"I thought electric radiators were cheaper and more efficient to run because all the electricity is converted to heat. Pumping hot water around pipes to heat rads is surely less effective . I can see how gas heating your hot water on demand is more efficient.We used to heat hot water tanks before and now combi boilers supply hot water on demand... | |||
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"Mankind has become a bit of a cunt." Has become? Always was. Everything comes to an end - and that includes mankind. Rebelling might postpone it a bit - maybe. In the West, I'd be surprised if we've got another 200 years in us; given the extent of our physical and intellectual decline, so far, this century. | |||
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"Gas boilers to be fazed out and all electric ones installed, gas is cheaper so looks like we will all be hammered by the leccy companies from then on. The poorest will be hit the hardest You do realise electricity is generated from gas? Yes I do thanks
But as I said the the cost of running an electric boiler will too much for a lot of people compared to a gas combi boiler
I thought electric radiators were cheaper and more efficient to run because all the electricity is converted to heat.
Pumping hot water around pipes to heat rads is surely less effective .
I can see how gas heating your hot water on demand is more efficient.We used to heat hot water tanks before and now combi boilers supply hot water on demand...
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"Mankind has become a bit of a cunt. Has become? Always was. Everything comes to an end - and that includes mankind. Rebelling might postpone it a bit - maybe. In the West, I'd be surprised if we've got another 200 years in us; given the extent of our physical and intellectual decline, so far, this century." . The law of entropy applies to everything including humankind. I would imagine your 200 years is rather on the optimistic side. | |||
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"there is a few hundred in london at the momment being the school holidays i thought there would be thousands on the streets seems as all them schoolkids are gona save us all and have been bunking off to protest.oh hang on they not getting a day off school for it to busy on there xbox or playstation.what a difference a schoolday makes.so its been left to the usual rent a mob" Now there's a surprise  | |||
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" In the West, I'd be surprised if we've got another 200 years in us; given the extent of our physical and intellectual decline, so far, this century." You may be right. It took the species 100,000 years to reach 1 billion population (circa 1800). It has taken us just another 200 years to reach 8 billion. Where will we be even 100 years from now, and what does it mean in terms of our impact on the environment and the availability and use of resources? | |||
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" In the West, I'd be surprised if we've got another 200 years in us; given the extent of our physical and intellectual decline, so far, this century. You may be right. It took the species 100,000 years to reach 1 billion population (circa 1800). It has taken us just another 200 years to reach 8 billion. Where will we be even 100 years from now, and what does it mean in terms of our impact on the environment and the availability and use of resources? " Yep. The population of the Earth has more than doubled in my lifetime. It's not looking good for us. I've had all my optimism about mankind's future thrashed out of me since 2008. | |||
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" In the West, I'd be surprised if we've got another 200 years in us; given the extent of our physical and intellectual decline, so far, this century. You may be right. It took the species 100,000 years to reach 1 billion population (circa 1800). It has taken us just another 200 years to reach 8 billion. Where will we be even 100 years from now, and what does it mean in terms of our impact on the environment and the availability and use of resources? Yep. The population of the Earth has more than doubled in my lifetime. It's not looking good for us. I've had all my optimism about mankind's future thrashed out of me since 2008." Thats what happens when science takes over from natural selection. | |||
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