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I think I've resolved Brexit
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I think I've resolved it:
Our politicians keep farting around getting nowhere slowly.
EU loses all patience and kicks us out.
Our politicians save face by claiming "it wasn't us, it was them"
The EU can concentrate on their business
The people can feel aggrieved and enjoy their age old sport of blaming 'Johnny Foreigner'
Win scenario all round  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nahh...they want the 39billion. No way they will kick the uk out. "
Think Farage wants his pension paid, just one of the legal commitments that the UK is liable for! |
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"Nahh...they want the 39billion. No way they will kick the uk out. "
The way you bang on about the membership fee we pay, you'd think none of the other 27 member nations paid anything and we were carrying them all...
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Europe is a political enterprise, not a financial one.
To see the UK's relationship purely in accountancy terms completely misunderstands what it is is about.
Dozens of countries working together gives them political and economic leverage in the top league globally.
The UK thinks the second division is the place to be. Such a shame.
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Europe is a political enterprise, not a financial one.
To see the UK's relationship purely in accountancy terms completely misunderstands what it is is about.
Dozens of countries working together gives them political and economic leverage in the top league globally.
The UK thinks the second division is the place to be. Such a shame.
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It's both or are you denying that the ECB exists? Or, indeed that it gets lots of it's funding from the World Bank (Washington)?
It's a neoliberal trading bloc answerable to big business and global capital. Hence why it forces austerity on countries when it thinks that it can get away with it and forces the sale of infrastructure through competition rules. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nahh...they want the 39billion. No way they will kick the uk out. "
£39 billion? In 2017 the UK made an estimated gross contribution (after the rebate) of £13.0 billion. The UK received £4.1 billion of public sector receipts from the EU, so the UK’s net public sector contribution to the EU was an estimated £8.9 billion. Where is £39 billion here? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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It's both or are you denying that the ECB exists? Or, indeed that it gets lots of it's funding from the World Bank (Washington)?
It's a neoliberal trading bloc answerable to big business and global capital. Hence why it forces austerity on countries when it thinks that it can get away with it and forces the sale of infrastructure through competition rules. "
At its heart, it's political.
Yes, it is also a trading bloc.
One that balances free market ideology with protections for workers, consumers and the environment.
The adoption of a single currency was a political move.
The French imposed it on the Germans as a condition of re-unification and the restoration of a greater Germany.
The French saw it as a means to curb German power dominating Europe - its economy would forever be tied to the weaker nations.
Austerity is a political term.
The countries you refer to - Italy and Greece - were on the verge of going bust.
They were running out of Euros to repay their debts because of the size of their budget deficits.
The banks took a hair cut and so did the Germans.
But those countries had to get their houses in order, too.
The alternative was ejection from the single currency and complete collapse.
You mean yearn for a Soviet-style economy. I don't.
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
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It's both or are you denying that the ECB exists? Or, indeed that it gets lots of it's funding from the World Bank (Washington)?
It's a neoliberal trading bloc answerable to big business and global capital. Hence why it forces austerity on countries when it thinks that it can get away with it and forces the sale of infrastructure through competition rules.
At its heart, it's political.
Yes, it is also a trading bloc.
One that balances free market ideology with protections for workers, consumers and the environment.
The adoption of a single currency was a political move.
The French imposed it on the Germans as a condition of re-unification and the restoration of a greater Germany.
The French saw it as a means to curb German power dominating Europe - its economy would forever be tied to the weaker nations.
Austerity is a political term.
The countries you refer to - Italy and Greece - were on the verge of going bust.
They were running out of Euros to repay their debts because of the size of their budget deficits.
The banks took a hair cut and so did the Germans.
But those countries had to get their houses in order, too.
The alternative was ejection from the single currency and complete collapse.
You mean yearn for a Soviet-style economy. I don't.
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Where did you get that idea? 
However, I'm certainly not a Tory and not a fan of global capital running countries.
I get that you maybe are, but don't dress it up with some bullshit about protecting workers.
Workers certainly weren't protected in Greece, but I see you've bought into the narrative that the Greeks are lazy and somehow deserved to suffer.
Yannis Viroufakis (the Greek finance minister at the time) provides good analysis of the EU and how it implements its neoliberal agenda.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's both or are you denying that the ECB exists? Or, indeed that it gets lots of it's funding from the World Bank (Washington)?
It's a neoliberal trading bloc answerable to big business and global capital. Hence why it forces austerity on countries when it thinks that it can get away with it and forces the sale of infrastructure through competition rules.
At its heart, it's political.
Yes, it is also a trading bloc.
One that balances free market ideology with protections for workers, consumers and the environment.
The adoption of a single currency was a political move.
The French imposed it on the Germans as a condition of re-unification and the restoration of a greater Germany.
The French saw it as a means to curb German power dominating Europe - its economy would forever be tied to the weaker nations.
Austerity is a political term.
The countries you refer to - Italy and Greece - were on the verge of going bust.
They were running out of Euros to repay their debts because of the size of their budget deficits.
The banks took a hair cut and so did the Germans.
But those countries had to get their houses in order, too.
The alternative was ejection from the single currency and complete collapse.
You mean yearn for a Soviet-style economy. I don't.
First and foremost its a political project . in order to convince member states to relinquish sovereignty , the founders realised it could only be achieved over time. A trading block , whilst a brilliant idea, was used as an initial method of starting the integration and absorbing sovereign rights.
It was never from its conception only to be a trading block . and the tip officials like Martin Selymar are non elected and can't be voted out by the electorate for the very purpose of continuity of the projects purpose.
Its not my opinion, simply there ,documentatwd in the history books.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Europe is a political enterprise, not a financial one.
To see the UK's relationship purely in accountancy terms completely misunderstands what it is is about.
Dozens of countries working together gives them political and economic leverage in the top league globally.
The UK thinks the second division is the place to be. Such a shame.
It's both or are you denying that the ECB exists? Or, indeed that it gets lots of it's funding from the World Bank (Washington)?
It's a neoliberal trading bloc answerable to big business and global capital. Hence why it forces austerity on countries when it thinks that it can get away with it and forces the sale of infrastructure through competition rules. "
Check out Target 2 . similarities with the ruble prior to its destabilisation are uncanny  |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Workers certainly weren't protected in Greece, but I see you've bought into the narrative that the Greeks are lazy and somehow deserved to suffer.
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Do you actually read what people post before replying, or simply reply along the lines of the conversation you are having with yourself?
Greeks are lazy? That is quite a slur. Your slur, btw, not mine.
What is true is that a previous Greek Government, aided and abetted by Goldman Sachs, fiddled their accounts to qualify for Euro membership.
Vast areas of public spending were hidden from public view, in order to bring their ratio of deficit to GDP within the upper boundary of the Euro.
That was the root cause of the Greek debt crisis.
When their lenders realised the fiddle at the heart of the accounts, they stopped lending to the Greek government.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Europe is a political enterprise, not a financial one.
To see the UK's relationship purely in accountancy terms completely misunderstands what it is is about.
Dozens of countries working together gives them political and economic leverage in the top league globally.
The UK thinks the second division is the place to be. Such a shame.
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Very nieve,the EU legislators are all making big big bucks(euros) |
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