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"No source, not fact - fact "Come on, play the game - give me a Leave ‘fact’ backed by a source then? | |||
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"600,000 extra jobs in the economy since the referendum...fact House prices up not down....fact GDP up, not down...fact No recession....fact Lowest unemployment on record...fact Highest employment on record...fact" So why leave then? Surely being part of the EU (as we are) is a great thing?  | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - Fact" What fake news sight did you get this from? | |||
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"600,000 extra jobs in the economy since the referendum...fact House prices up not down....fact GDP up, not down...fact No recession....fact Lowest unemployment on record...fact Highest employment on record...fact So why leave then? Surely being part of the EU (as we are) is a great thing? "All told to us would happen simply by voting to leave.... | |||
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"More manufacturing jobs have been lost in the past 2 years than the previous 5 years - Fact" Employment in the UK is higher than for many years,lowest unemployment ever FACT | |||
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"600,000 extra jobs in the economy since the referendum...fact House prices up not down....fact GDP up, not down...fact No recession....fact Lowest unemployment on record...fact Highest employment on record...fact"  | |||
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"600,000 extra jobs in the economy since the referendum...fact House prices up not down....fact GDP up, not down...fact No recession....fact Lowest unemployment on record...fact Highest employment on record...fact So why leave then? Surely being part of the EU (as we are) is a great thing?
All told to us would happen simply by voting to leave...."So voting, but not actually leaving is a way to boost the economy? We are currently in the EU, so all of the things you prescribe to Brexit are facets of the existing economy  | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - FactWhat fake news sight did you get this from?" Mirror.co.uk - The Pharmaceutical Services Negotiating Committee (PSNC), which draws up the list, said Britain's exit from the EU coupled with manufacturers' views of the country as a "less attractive market" had caused the "significant" problems. | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - FactWhat fake news sight did you get this from? Mirror.co.uk - The Pharmaceutical Services Negotiating Committee (PSNC), which draws up the list, said Britain's exit from the EU coupled with manufacturers' views of the country as a "less attractive market" had caused the "significant" problems." That does NOT mean there is a shortage.The fact is that all the predictions about the damage just voting to leave have been proved WRONG There are allways problems nothing to do with being in or out of Europe | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - FactWhat fake news sight did you get this from? Mirror.co.uk - The Pharmaceutical Services Negotiating Committee (PSNC), which draws up the list, said Britain's exit from the EU coupled with manufacturers' views of the country as a "less attractive market" had caused the "significant" problems.That does NOT mean there is a shortage.The fact is that all the predictions about the damage just voting to leave have been proved WRONG There are allways problems nothing to do with being in or out of Europe" Stop pretending, Brexit is causing supply difficulties, in isolation - so what, for the people affected, it can be life threatening. Why should we accept this risk for less than zero upside? | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - FactWhat fake news sight did you get this from? Mirror.co.uk - The Pharmaceutical Services Negotiating Committee (PSNC), which draws up the list, said Britain's exit from the EU coupled with manufacturers' views of the country as a "less attractive market" had caused the "significant" problems.That does NOT mean there is a shortage.The fact is that all the predictions about the damage just voting to leave have been proved WRONG There are allways problems nothing to do with being in or out of Europe" actually.... the irony of the situation is this... and you are not going to like what i am going to say! because the Dept of health have advised stockist to carry greater stockpiles of medicine as part of there brexit preparations, it means that they have had to get greater levels.... because they actual suppliers aren't making higher levels to compensate.... it means there are less medicines of specific types in the general system.... for example....naproxen.... so.....what basically has happened is a "pick your poison" situation... 1) do prep, stockpile months of supply out of the general supply, which means less general supply out there... 2) don't do prep, and always be behind the ball if the supplies don't come in because your stockpiles run low..... | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - FactWhat fake news sight did you get this from? Mirror.co.uk - The Pharmaceutical Services Negotiating Committee (PSNC), which draws up the list, said Britain's exit from the EU coupled with manufacturers' views of the country as a "less attractive market" had caused the "significant" problems.That does NOT mean there is a shortage.The fact is that all the predictions about the damage just voting to leave have been proved WRONG There are allways problems nothing to do with being in or out of Europe Stop pretending, Brexit is causing supply difficulties, in isolation - so what, for the people affected, it can be life threatening. Why should we accept this risk for less than zero upside? "I am in my sixties and need meds to keep me alive and well,and I an not the slightest bit worried that my drugs that I need will not be available | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - FactWhat fake news sight did you get this from? Mirror.co.uk - The Pharmaceutical Services Negotiating Committee (PSNC), which draws up the list, said Britain's exit from the EU coupled with manufacturers' views of the country as a "less attractive market" had caused the "significant" problems.That does NOT mean there is a shortage.The fact is that all the predictions about the damage just voting to leave have been proved WRONG There are allways problems nothing to do with being in or out of Europe Stop pretending, Brexit is causing supply difficulties, in isolation - so what, for the people affected, it can be life threatening. Why should we accept this risk for less than zero upside? I am in my sixties and need meds to keep me alive and well,and I an not the slightest bit worried that my drugs that I need will not be available"I’m pleased that you aren’t concerned, however I wouldn’t want you being in charge of logistics as you seem to rely on hope. I sincerely wish you well, but your risk is soooooo much lower if we stay in the EU. | |||
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"More manufacturing jobs have been lost in the past 2 years than the previous 5 years - FactEmployment in the UK is higher than for many years,lowest unemployment ever FACT" I call bullshit. 100% employment on zero hours contracts. Amazing result. | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - FactWhat fake news sight did you get this from? Mirror.co.uk - The Pharmaceutical Services Negotiating Committee (PSNC), which draws up the list, said Britain's exit from the EU coupled with manufacturers' views of the country as a "less attractive market" had caused the "significant" problems.That does NOT mean there is a shortage.The fact is that all the predictions about the damage just voting to leave have been proved WRONG There are allways problems nothing to do with being in or out of Europe Stop pretending, Brexit is causing supply difficulties, in isolation - so what, for the people affected, it can be life threatening. Why should we accept this risk for less than zero upside? I am in my sixties and need meds to keep me alive and well,and I an not the slightest bit worried that my drugs that I need will not be available
I’m pleased that you aren’t concerned, however I wouldn’t want you being in charge of logistics as you seem to rely on hope. I sincerely wish you well, but your risk is soooooo much lower if we stay in the EU."Please try to stop worrying after a couple of weeks all will be fine and there will be emergency supplies,your just listening to the scaremongers. The biggest problem we will suffer is inflation for a couple of years maybe that does worry me but we will get through it and all will be ok. | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - FactWhat fake news sight did you get this from? Mirror.co.uk - The Pharmaceutical Services Negotiating Committee (PSNC), which draws up the list, said Britain's exit from the EU coupled with manufacturers' views of the country as a "less attractive market" had caused the "significant" problems.That does NOT mean there is a shortage.The fact is that all the predictions about the damage just voting to leave have been proved WRONG There are allways problems nothing to do with being in or out of Europe Stop pretending, Brexit is causing supply difficulties, in isolation - so what, for the people affected, it can be life threatening. Why should we accept this risk for less than zero upside? I am in my sixties and need meds to keep me alive and well,and I an not the slightest bit worried that my drugs that I need will not be available
I’m pleased that you aren’t concerned, however I wouldn’t want you being in charge of logistics as you seem to rely on hope. I sincerely wish you well, but your risk is soooooo much lower if we stay in the EU.Please try to stop worrying after a couple of weeks all will be fine and there will be emergency supplies,your just listening to the scaremongers.
The biggest problem we will suffer is inflation for a couple of years maybe that does worry me but we will get through it and all will be ok."Hope is a lovely thing, but none of us can bank it. As you know inflation can be a disaster for people, we haven’t had serious inflation since the late 80’s. Living with 24.2% inflation again, like 1975, would be a really bad idea | |||
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""Game of Facts".... Soon becomes "Game of speculation"" It is a game of speculation by remain as there is no economic model to compare it to | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - FactWhat fake news sight did you get this from? Mirror.co.uk - The Pharmaceutical Services Negotiating Committee (PSNC), which draws up the list, said Britain's exit from the EU coupled with manufacturers' views of the country as a "less attractive market" had caused the "significant" problems.That does NOT mean there is a shortage.The fact is that all the predictions about the damage just voting to leave have been proved WRONG There are allways problems nothing to do with being in or out of Europe Stop pretending, Brexit is causing supply difficulties, in isolation - so what, for the people affected, it can be life threatening. Why should we accept this risk for less than zero upside? I am in my sixties and need meds to keep me alive and well,and I an not the slightest bit worried that my drugs that I need will not be available
I’m pleased that you aren’t concerned, however I wouldn’t want you being in charge of logistics as you seem to rely on hope. I sincerely wish you well, but your risk is soooooo much lower if we stay in the EU.Please try to stop worrying after a couple of weeks all will be fine and there will be emergency supplies,your just listening to the scaremongers.
The biggest problem we will suffer is inflation for a couple of years maybe that does worry me but we will get through it and all will be ok.
Hope is a lovely thing, but none of us can bank it. As you know inflation can be a disaster for people, we haven’t had serious inflation since the late 80’s. Living with 24.2% inflation again, like 1975, would be a really bad idea "Yes it is a bad worry but will not be as bad as that as we are stronger as a nation today | |||
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""Game of Facts".... Soon becomes "Game of speculation"It is a game of speculation by remain as there is no economic model to compare it to" This. Is. Amazing. We could say, compare the economic model of remaining in the EU, to say, when we were in the EU before the referendum. | |||
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""Game of Facts".... Soon becomes "Game of speculation"It is a game of speculation by remain as there is no economic model to compare it to" Well, we know we will do well in the EU & with at least 80% probability we will be fucked by Brexit for at least 5 years and possibly 25-50 years according to JRM... | |||
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"600,000 extra jobs in the economy since the referendum...fact House prices up not down....fact GDP up, not down...fact No recession....fact Lowest unemployment on record...fact Highest employment on record...fact So why leave then? Surely being part of the EU (as we are) is a great thing? "To make things even bettèr. Control of ou e own destiny. We will do continue to trade with the EU and with the world market on more advantageous terms. | |||
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""Game of Facts".... Soon becomes "Game of speculation"It is a game of speculation by remain as there is no economic model to compare it to Well, we know we will do well in the EU & with at least 80% probability we will be fucked by Brexit for at least 5 years and possibly 25-50 years according to JRM..." Fact the economies of the EU are doing badly the growth in the EU is lower than ours,the stats do not bear out what your saying. At the end of the day if we leave you will have to adopt and get on with life and moaning will get you nowhere exopt endanger yourself | |||
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""Game of Facts".... Soon becomes "Game of speculation"It is a game of speculation by remain as there is no economic model to compare it to Well, we know we will do well in the EU & with at least 80% probability we will be fucked by Brexit for at least 5 years and possibly 25-50 years according to JRM...Fact the economies of the EU are doing badly the growth in the EU is lower than ours,the stats do not bear out what your saying. At the end of the day if we leave you will have to adopt and get on with life and moaning will get you nowhere exopt endanger yourself " I’m sorry, but none of the facts back you on this. We are significantly better off being part of the EU. | |||
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"600,000 extra jobs in the economy since the referendum...fact House prices up not down....fact GDP up, not down...fact No recession....fact Lowest unemployment on record...fact Highest employment on record...fact So why leave then? Surely being part of the EU (as we are) is a great thing? To make things even bettèr. Control of ou e own destiny. We will do continue to trade with the EU and with the world market on more advantageous terms. "And free packets of rolos for every house hold. Also every person whose name begins with the letter "A" will be given two free pints of milk per week. And lemons will become twice the size and half the price. And the EU will beg us to sell them to them for a billion pounds each. | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - Fact" How could Brexit have any impact on this? As far as I am aware Brexit has neither stopped the manufacturing or importing of drugs. This is simply Project Fear again. | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - Fact How could Brexit have any impact on this? As far as I am aware Brexit has neither stopped the manufacturing or importing of drugs. This is simply Project Fear again. " Nope. We are turning into a basket case economy, so manufacturers and suppliers are looking at economies they can rely on to buy their products. It is a direct consequence of Brexit and our useless Tory government. | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - Fact How could Brexit have any impact on this? As far as I am aware Brexit has neither stopped the manufacturing or importing of drugs. This is simply Project Fear again. " After Brexit there will be free drugs for everyone, all the time. | |||
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""Game of Facts".... Soon becomes "Game of speculation"It is a game of speculation by remain as there is no economic model to compare it to Well, we know we will do well in the EU & with at least 80% probability we will be fucked by Brexit for at least 5 years and possibly 25-50 years according to JRM...Fact the economies of the EU are doing badly the growth in the EU is lower than ours,the stats do not bear out what your saying. At the end of the day if we leave you will have to adopt and get on with life and moaning will get you nowhere exopt endanger yourself " Hi. There is only one slight problem with your post . Everything you say in it is true but lots of people on the forum hate good news and economic success . | |||
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""Game of Facts".... Soon becomes "Game of speculation"It is a game of speculation by remain as there is no economic model to compare it to Well, we know we will do well in the EU & with at least 80% probability we will be fucked by Brexit for at least 5 years and possibly 25-50 years according to JRM...Fact the economies of the EU are doing badly the growth in the EU is lower than ours,the stats do not bear out what your saying. At the end of the day if we leave you will have to adopt and get on with life and moaning will get you nowhere exopt endanger yourself Hi. There is only one slight problem with your post . Everything you say in it is true but lots of people on the forum hate good news and economic success . " I’m confused, are you supporting Remain now? | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - Fact How could Brexit have any impact on this? As far as I am aware Brexit has neither stopped the manufacturing or importing of drugs. This is simply Project Fear again. Nope. We are turning into a basket case economy, so manufacturers and suppliers are looking at economies they can rely on to buy their products. It is a direct consequence of Brexit and our useless Tory government." Hi. Other countries regard our companies as being so successfull they want to buy them. The stock exchange has also performed strongly since Brexit. These are facts . | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - Fact How could Brexit have any impact on this? As far as I am aware Brexit has neither stopped the manufacturing or importing of drugs. This is simply Project Fear again. Nope. We are turning into a basket case economy, so manufacturers and suppliers are looking at economies they can rely on to buy their products. It is a direct consequence of Brexit and our useless Tory government. Hi. Other countries regard our companies as being so successfull they want to buy them. The stock exchange has also performed strongly since Brexit. These are facts . " Hmmm, ask JLR, Honda, Dyson, Debenhams. The reason foreign companies want to buy UK companies is that the exchange rate is shit, so buying is cheap - fire sale comes to mind | |||
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" To make things even bettèr. Control of ou e own destiny. We will do continue to trade with the EU and with the world market on more advantageous terms. " but you can't do that pat!!!! there is for example specific text in both CETA (Canada-EU Trade Agreement) and the Japan-EU trade agreement that states that a 3rd party country cannot be given more advantagous terms than the EU on the same products!!!!! so.... please find me ANY trade agreement where the UK will do better for terms of trade and tariffs with another country, than the UK is doing already as part of any EU agreement? I'll hang up and listen pat!  | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - Fact How could Brexit have any impact on this? As far as I am aware Brexit has neither stopped the manufacturing or importing of drugs. This is simply Project Fear again. Nope. We are turning into a basket case economy, so manufacturers and suppliers are looking at economies they can rely on to buy their products. It is a direct consequence of Brexit and our useless Tory government. Hi. Other countries regard our companies as being so successfull they want to buy them. The stock exchange has also performed strongly since Brexit. These are facts . " Less facts. And more load of rhubarb you made up. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly" Tell that to the Debenhams staff... | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly" But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly Tell that to the Debenhams staff..." Debenhams staff has nothing to do with Brexit. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly Tell that to the Debenhams staff... Debenhams staff has nothing to do with Brexit. " So nothing negative has anything to do with Brexit? Explain that one... | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week." You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly Tell that to the Debenhams staff... Debenhams staff has nothing to do with Brexit. So nothing negative has anything to do with Brexit? Explain that one..." Bump  | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!!" Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly Tell that to the Debenhams staff... Debenhams staff has nothing to do with Brexit. So nothing negative has anything to do with Brexit? Explain that one..." Same as you claim everything positive has nothing to do with Brexit. Debenhams was a botch up between. Regulators, and Government. There was a plan to save it and all the jobs and they fucked it up, | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option?" Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. " So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. " Come on now. We were having a serious conversation. You cant just label everything negative "project fear" just because you cant understand with it or cant face it. You do understand what WTO trading rules were created for? To stop the poorest countries from slipping through the gaps and being overly exploited by the rest of the world. Not something to aspire to. They're the minimum required for a country to survive on the global stage. Just read up about what these rules are and what it would mean to trade under these rules alone. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option?" It is short term expenditure for long term gains. You have to speculate to accumulate. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2..." Bump | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly"  A great quote | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2..." How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? It is short term expenditure for long term gains. You have to speculate to accumulate. " Good use of catchphrases. But would be good if you could provide some information. You're free to believe anything you like. The problem comes when people vote on faith instead of information and facts. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. " Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly Tell that to the Debenhams staff..." With the UK having record levels of low unemployment Debenhams staff will simply get jobs elsewhere. Look at how well Next is doing. Their shares are up 33 % this year. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly Tell that to the Debenhams staff... With the UK having record levels of low unemployment Debenhams staff will simply get jobs elsewhere. Look at how well Next is doing. Their shares are up 33 % this year. " I suggest you go and mention this to one of their staff. FFS, how insensitive are you? This is real people’s lives, not a computer game! | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly" you are right.... last year average growth in the Eurozone was 1.7%....... in the UK it was 1.2%...........  | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them." What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. " You are making this up? | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. " And that’s why we should never have had a referendum in the first place. People believe anything. | |||
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"600,000 extra jobs in the economy since the referendum...fact House prices up not down....fact GDP up, not down...fact No recession....fact Lowest unemployment on record...fact Highest employment on record...fact" We havent left the EU yet: fact | |||
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"More manufacturing jobs have been lost in the past 2 years than the previous 5 years - FactEmployment in the UK is higher than for many years,lowest unemployment ever FACT" Lowest unemployment ever is not a fact btw | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. " Hi. An excellent post . You backed the winning team . | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. You are making this up? "The EU is out of control. The commission sits in its ivory towers harping on about how it’s brought peace and stability. If that’s the case. Then why has it divided this nation Why is hate crime on the rise, throughout Europe. Why has Free movement allowed criminal gangs and criminals to profiteer and exploit human trafficking, smuggling, drugs and guns across frictionless borders. Free Movement caused massive pressures on our services and housing. Health Tourism. Why is the extreme far right gaining such momentum throughout Europe. Why is Multiculturalism causing no go areas throughout Europe. Why is Racism so prevalent and growing at an alarming rate. But hey. Hang on to your fantasies that the EU is good for the UK. | |||
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""Game of Facts".... Soon becomes "Game of speculation"It is a game of speculation by remain as there is no economic model to compare it to Well, we know we will do well in the EU & with at least 80% probability we will be fucked by Brexit for at least 5 years and possibly 25-50 years according to JRM...Fact the economies of the EU are doing badly the growth in the EU is lower than ours,the stats do not bear out what your saying. At the end of the day if we leave you will have to adopt and get on with life and moaning will get you nowhere exopt endanger yourself " Many EU countries are growing faster than the UK : fact | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly you are right.... last year average growth in the Eurozone was 1.7%....... in the UK it was 1.2%........... "Hi. But we have record levels of low unemployment and decided to curtail our growth in order to give other counties a chance. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. Hi. An excellent post . You backed the winning team . " Both of you are making this up, surely? No Federal dictatorship, no European Army, so you have been gamed... | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - Fact How could Brexit have any impact on this? As far as I am aware Brexit has neither stopped the manufacturing or importing of drugs. This is simply Project Fear again. Nope. We are turning into a basket case economy, so manufacturers and suppliers are looking at economies they can rely on to buy their products. It is a direct consequence of Brexit and our useless Tory government. Hi. Other countries regard our companies as being so successfull they want to buy them. The stock exchange has also performed strongly since Brexit. These are facts . " Foreign investors are buying UK companies because the weak pound has made them cheaper: fact | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. You are making this up?
The EU is out of control. The commission sits in its ivory towers harping on about how it’s brought peace and stability. If that’s the case.
Then why has it divided this nation
Why is hate crime on the rise, throughout Europe.
Why has Free movement allowed criminal gangs and criminals to profiteer and exploit human trafficking, smuggling, drugs and guns across frictionless borders.
Free Movement caused massive pressures on our services and housing.
Health Tourism.
Why is the extreme far right gaining such momentum throughout Europe.
Why is Multiculturalism causing no go areas throughout Europe.
Why is Racism so prevalent and growing at an alarming rate.
But hey. Hang on to your fantasies that the EU is good for the UK.
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!!" We are spending a significant portion of that money on preparing, ineptly, for No Deal | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. " If there is no danger to medicine supplies, why has the government been helping the NHS stockpile, why have they put in place contingency measures to fly in supplies, if it's all nonsense? | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - Fact How could Brexit have any impact on this? As far as I am aware Brexit has neither stopped the manufacturing or importing of drugs. This is simply Project Fear again. Nope. We are turning into a basket case economy, so manufacturers and suppliers are looking at economies they can rely on to buy their products. It is a direct consequence of Brexit and our useless Tory government. Hi. Other countries regard our companies as being so successfull they want to buy them. The stock exchange has also performed strongly since Brexit. These are facts . Foreign investors are buying UK companies because the weak pound has made them cheaper: fact" Hardly a fact. They are buying because the can foresee the UKs success . Companies would hardly shell out large sums of money if they though that Brexit would be damaging | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. You are making this up?
The EU is out of control. The commission sits in its ivory towers harping on about how it’s brought peace and stability. If that’s the case.
Then why has it divided this nation
Why is hate crime on the rise, throughout Europe.
Why has Free movement allowed criminal gangs and criminals to profiteer and exploit human trafficking, smuggling, drugs and guns across frictionless borders.
Free Movement caused massive pressures on our services and housing.
Health Tourism.
Why is the extreme far right gaining such momentum throughout Europe.
Why is Multiculturalism causing no go areas throughout Europe.
Why is Racism so prevalent and growing at an alarming rate.
But hey. Hang on to your fantasies that the EU is good for the UK.
Great to see some information from the real world."You claim the EU lives in an Ivory Tower, but you just make this stuff up. Just because the Mail says its true, doesn’t mean it is. Unless you are Peter Orborne of course who has worked out all of the Brexit lies are, in fact, lies... | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. " You do know that the BoE has been pouring liquidity into the UK economy dont you? You're not an economist are you? | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. Hi. An excellent post . You backed the winning team . Both of you are making this up, surely? No Federal dictatorship, no European Army, so you have been gamed..." You really do live in a dream bubble. Verhifstadt. Stated in an address to the Eu parliament the problems are due to the reluctance of the EU members to give up sovereignty and power to the EU. The EU Army is a real goal for the EU and eventually the EU will have supreme power to send our Sons, daughters into conflict. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. Hi. An excellent post . You backed the winning team . Both of you are making this up, surely? No Federal dictatorship, no European Army, so you have been gamed... You really do live in a dream bubble. Verhifstadt. Stated in an address to the Eu parliament the problems are due to the reluctance of the EU members to give up sovereignty and power to the EU. The EU Army is a real goal for the EU and eventually the EU will have supreme power to send our Sons, daughters into conflict. " Stop scaremongering, it is not dissimilar to pictures of Syrians and Turks on our borders. It is rubbish. Brexiteers play to fears as opposed to reality. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. Hi. An excellent post . You backed the winning team . Both of you are making this up, surely? No Federal dictatorship, no European Army, so you have been gamed... You really do live in a dream bubble. Verhifstadt. Stated in an address to the Eu parliament the problems are due to the reluctance of the EU members to give up sovereignty and power to the EU. The EU Army is a real goal for the EU and eventually the EU will have supreme power to send our Sons, daughters into conflict. Stop scaremongering, it is not dissimilar to pictures of Syrians and Turks on our borders. It is rubbish. Brexiteers play to fears as opposed to reality." Says the poster who asks for facts and then claims there’s already a shortage of medicines. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. Hi. An excellent post . You backed the winning team . Both of you are making this up, surely? No Federal dictatorship, no European Army, so you have been gamed... You really do live in a dream bubble. Verhifstadt. Stated in an address to the Eu parliament the problems are due to the reluctance of the EU members to give up sovereignty and power to the EU. The EU Army is a real goal for the EU and eventually the EU will have supreme power to send our Sons, daughters into conflict. Stop scaremongering, it is not dissimilar to pictures of Syrians and Turks on our borders. It is rubbish. Brexiteers play to fears as opposed to reality. Says the poster who asks for facts and then claims there’s already a shortage of medicines. " & in my case it is true. You know we already have a European Army in NATO don’t you? | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. Hi. An excellent post . You backed the winning team . Both of you are making this up, surely? No Federal dictatorship, no European Army, so you have been gamed... You really do live in a dream bubble. Verhifstadt. Stated in an address to the Eu parliament the problems are due to the reluctance of the EU members to give up sovereignty and power to the EU. The EU Army is a real goal for the EU and eventually the EU will have supreme power to send our Sons, daughters into conflict. " Let’s for a moment say that this is true, and let’s say that the uk decided to vote for it. Which is how this works. Why would this be a bad thing? What’s th difference between a uk army which is employed to make arms complained and oil companies in profit. And an E.U. army, with presumably the same aims. | |||
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"There have been no facts on this thread so far. There's stiff competition, but this is quite possibly a contender for "worst thread of 2019" "There have been facts, you obviously have not read the thread and refuse to acknowledge them. | |||
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"a shark can smell a pinprick of blood up to a mile away..." Congratulations sir! First actual fact of the evening. | |||
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"There have been no facts on this thread so far. There's stiff competition, but this is quite possibly a contender for "worst thread of 2019"
There have been facts, you obviously have not read the thread and refuse to acknowledge them. "There has only been conjecture, sorry. | |||
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"a shark can smell a pinprick of blood up to a mile away... Congratulations sir! First actual fact of the evening. "Your input is always highly inciteful... | |||
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"a shark can smell a pinprick of blood up to a mile away... Congratulations sir! First actual fact of the evening.
Your input is always highly inciteful... " thank you, given that this thread is a car-crash, I knew it'd be appreciated. | |||
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"a shark can smell a pinprick of blood up to a mile away... Congratulations sir! First actual fact of the evening.
Your input is always highly inciteful...
thank you, given that this thread is a car-crash, I knew it'd be appreciated. "It’s always best to sit on the sidelines and tell people how to play when you cant... | |||
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"There have been no facts on this thread so far. There's stiff competition, but this is quite possibly a contender for "worst thread of 2019" "There have been plenty of facts on this thread. Granted, there have been more non factual postings.... | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. You do know that the BoE has been pouring liquidity into the UK economy dont you? You're not an economist are you?" Neither are you! | |||
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - FactWhat fake news sight did you get this from? Mirror.co.uk - The Pharmaceutical Services Negotiating Committee (PSNC), which draws up the list, said Britain's exit from the EU coupled with manufacturers' views of the country as a "less attractive market" had caused the "significant" problems.That does NOT mean there is a shortage.The fact is that all the predictions about the damage just voting to leave have been proved WRONG There are allways problems nothing to do with being in or out of Europe Stop pretending, Brexit is causing supply difficulties, in isolation - so what, for the people affected, it can be life threatening. Why should we accept this risk for less than zero upside? I am in my sixties and need meds to keep me alive and well,and I an not the slightest bit worried that my drugs that I need will not be available
I’m pleased that you aren’t concerned, however I wouldn’t want you being in charge of logistics as you seem to rely on hope. I sincerely wish you well, but your risk is soooooo much lower if we stay in the EU.Please try to stop worrying after a couple of weeks all will be fine and there will be emergency supplies,your just listening to the scaremongers.
The biggest problem we will suffer is inflation for a couple of years maybe that does worry me but we will get through it and all will be ok.
Hope is a lovely thing, but none of us can bank it. As you know inflation can be a disaster for people, we haven’t had serious inflation since the late 80’s. Living with 24.2% inflation again, like 1975, would be a really bad idea "Funny that, isn't it.... We joined the EEC, and were promised prices would fall.... 2 years later inflation was 25%. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly Tell that to the Debenhams staff... Debenhams staff has nothing to do with Brexit. So nothing negative has anything to do with Brexit? Explain that one..." Explain how Debenhams' poor financial performance is because of Brexit. | |||
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"More manufacturing jobs have been lost in the past 2 years than the previous 5 years - Fact" But as you have said in previous posts we are still in the EU ....cant have it both ways. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly Tell that to the Debenhams staff..." debenhams has nothing to do with brexit. they gone down the pan because of bad management.when peeps are shopping online you dont keep opening massive stores with stupidily long tenencys on the propertys and think you can carry on the way you allways have.if you dont move with the times in retail you die.firm i work for seen this coming ages ago. last fuve years we have shut down five stores that were costing firm money and grown our online shop. stop blami.g every bit of shit news on brexit.and before anyone starts im neither leave or remain.has no impact on my life either way | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly Tell that to the Debenhams staff... debenhams has nothing to do with brexit. they gone down the pan because of bad management.when peeps are shopping online you dont keep opening massive stores with stupidily long tenencys on the propertys and think you can carry on the way you allways have.if you dont move with the times in retail you die.firm i work for seen this coming ages ago. last fuve years we have shut down five stores that were costing firm money and grown our online shop. stop blami.g every bit of shit news on brexit.and before anyone starts im neither leave or remain.has no impact on my life either way" Is that a fact or you just guessing.. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. You are making this up?
The EU is out of control. The commission sits in its ivory towers harping on about how it’s brought peace and stability. If that’s the case.
Then why has it divided this nation
Why is hate crime on the rise, throughout Europe.
Why has Free movement allowed criminal gangs and criminals to profiteer and exploit human trafficking, smuggling, drugs and guns across frictionless borders.
Free Movement caused massive pressures on our services and housing.
Health Tourism.
Why is the extreme far right gaining such momentum throughout Europe.
Why is Multiculturalism causing no go areas throughout Europe.
Why is Racism so prevalent and growing at an alarming rate.
But hey. Hang on to your fantasies that the EU is good for the UK.
Great to see some information from the real world.
You claim the EU lives in an Ivory Tower, but you just make this stuff up. Just because the Mail says its true, doesn’t mean it is. Unless you are Peter Orborne of course who has worked out all of the Brexit lies are, in fact, lies..."Unless I have misread the original posters source he quotes it at the top of his post and it does not appear to be a newspaper. In any event the Daily Mail is an award winning newspsper. What it can print is governed by a regulatory body whereas anyone can post anything they like on this forum . | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. You are making this up?
The EU is out of control. The commission sits in its ivory towers harping on about how it’s brought peace and stability. If that’s the case.
Then why has it divided this nation
Why is hate crime on the rise, throughout Europe.
Why has Free movement allowed criminal gangs and criminals to profiteer and exploit human trafficking, smuggling, drugs and guns across frictionless borders.
Free Movement caused massive pressures on our services and housing.
Health Tourism.
Why is the extreme far right gaining such momentum throughout Europe.
Why is Multiculturalism causing no go areas throughout Europe.
Why is Racism so prevalent and growing at an alarming rate.
But hey. Hang on to your fantasies that the EU is good for the UK.
Great to see some information from the real world.
You claim the EU lives in an Ivory Tower, but you just make this stuff up. Just because the Mail says its true, doesn’t mean it is. Unless you are Peter Orborne of course who has worked out all of the Brexit lies are, in fact, lies... Unless I have misread the original posters source he quotes it at the top of his post and it does not appear to be a newspaper.
In any event the Daily Mail is an award winning newspsper. What it can print is governed by a regulatory body whereas anyone can post anything they like on this forum ."? Bit confused about what you are questioning here? Peter Orborne is a columnist for athe Mail and he has changed from being a Leaver to a Remainer due to the overwhelmingly negative impact of Brexit. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. Hi. An excellent post . You backed the winning team . Both of you are making this up, surely? No Federal dictatorship, no European Army, so you have been gamed... You really do live in a dream bubble. Verhifstadt. Stated in an address to the Eu parliament the problems are due to the reluctance of the EU members to give up sovereignty and power to the EU. The EU Army is a real goal for the EU and eventually the EU will have supreme power to send our Sons, daughters into conflict. Let’s for a moment say that this is true, and let’s say that the uk decided to vote for it. Which is how this works. Why would this be a bad thing? What’s th difference between a uk army which is employed to make arms complained and oil companies in profit. And an E.U. army, with presumably the same aims. " Wow...you really can't see the difference? | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. Hi. An excellent post . You backed the winning team . Both of you are making this up, surely? No Federal dictatorship, no European Army, so you have been gamed... You really do live in a dream bubble. Verhifstadt. Stated in an address to the Eu parliament the problems are due to the reluctance of the EU members to give up sovereignty and power to the EU. The EU Army is a real goal for the EU and eventually the EU will have supreme power to send our Sons, daughters into conflict. Let’s for a moment say that this is true, and let’s say that the uk decided to vote for it. Which is how this works. Why would this be a bad thing? What’s th difference between a uk army which is employed to make arms complained and oil companies in profit. And an E.U. army, with presumably the same aims. Wow...you really can't see the difference?" You know our own government do this? We also have veto powers. In addition we provide troops to UN Peacekeeping and to Nato, so whatis it that is actually a problem about an EU Army? | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly Tell that to the Debenhams staff... debenhams has nothing to do with brexit. they gone down the pan because of bad management.when peeps are shopping online you dont keep opening massive stores with stupidily long tenencys on the propertys and think you can carry on the way you allways have.if you dont move with the times in retail you die.firm i work for seen this coming ages ago. last fuve years we have shut down five stores that were costing firm money and grown our online shop. stop blami.g every bit of shit news on brexit.and before anyone starts im neither leave or remain.has no impact on my life either way Is that a fact or you just guessing.. "what the reason debenhams is in the toilet or wont have any impact on my life? debenhams has been in the shit the last five or so years so fuck all to do with brexit wich the vote was only 3 yrs ago.and as for having no impact on my life being i. the e.u or out of it wont make a blind bit of difference to me.i live paypack to paypack so ya relly cant have less than fuck all anyway.have no mortgage or credit card bills or any debt so i will just keep doing what im doing either way | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. Hi. An excellent post . You backed the winning team . Both of you are making this up, surely? No Federal dictatorship, no European Army, so you have been gamed... You really do live in a dream bubble. Verhifstadt. Stated in an address to the Eu parliament the problems are due to the reluctance of the EU members to give up sovereignty and power to the EU. The EU Army is a real goal for the EU and eventually the EU will have supreme power to send our Sons, daughters into conflict. Let’s for a moment say that this is true, and let’s say that the uk decided to vote for it. Which is how this works. Why would this be a bad thing? What’s th difference between a uk army which is employed to make arms complained and oil companies in profit. And an E.U. army, with presumably the same aims. Wow...you really can't see the difference? You know our own government do this? We also have veto powers. In addition we provide troops to UN Peacekeeping and to Nato, so whatis it that is actually a problem about an EU Army?" Source - Guardian ...”Merkel and Macron’s Aachen treaty applies only to Germany and France, which remain both EU members and sovereign nation states. It is their prerogative to pool military capability if they wish. Likewise, in accordance with the Lisbon treaty, the EU decides all defence policies unanimously. If there ever were plans for a bona fide EU army, any member state could veto it. But the larger point here is that the EU army of such lurid British nightmares cannot and will not emerge. There will never be any situation in which Brussels rules over a series of battalions and member states are compelled to deploy their armed forces against their consent. The main reason for that is the EU’s national governments hate the idea and always have. Currently, the EU’s external action comes under the umbrella of the common security and defence policy (CSDP). It conducts more than a dozen overseas missions, ranging from civilian post-conflict monitoring and capacity building to military training. Perhaps its most ambitious project has been the anti-piracy mission in the Horn of Africa, Operation Atalanta, overseen (until Brexit day) from the UK’s military headquarters in Northwood. This, of course, reveals the other great myth of EU defence: that it has somehow been imposed upon Britain. In fact the CSDP began as a Franco-British initiative, and successive British governments have contributed both money and personnel to its operations. Nor has this enthusiasm waned with Brexit. The government’s 2017 security position paper expressly proposed future participation in EU missions, as well as involvement with the European Defence Agency and Defence Fund. In recent years, the EU has sought to collaborate more widely on security and defence. Its principal innovation has been Permanent Structured Cooperation (Pesco), comprising 25 states on an opt-in basis. (The UK, alongside Denmark and Malta, opted out.) EU figures refer to Pesco as a “Schengen of defence”: a voluntary system for member states to integrate aspects of their defence if they choose. Projects include developing logistical hubs, equipment upgrades and rapid response teams for cyberthreats. It is not an army and nobody is declaring war. The EU commission head, Jean-Claude Juncker, has also proposed an EU defence union in the next decade. Much like Pesco, advocates intend for it to boost individual countries’ capacities, pool resources and erase the need for member-state rivalry or duplication. Juncker has insisted that it would not impinge upon Nato. Nato’s secretary general, for his part, has welcomed the EU’s defence programmes, provided they do not seek to compete with his organisation. Juncker will leave office this year and have no power over the future of EU defence either way. The problem with this debate is that its interlocutors cannot agree shared terms. While sceptics interpret enhanced EU defence through the language and lens of control, enthusiasts see only coordination. Such is Brexit. But army or not, strategies are evolving. As Donald Trump continues to undermine and bl*ckmail Nato, the EU’s governments may deem closer military cooperation and collective defence no bad thing. If the Brexiters are desperate enough to block it, they should consider remaining.” In summary, the European Army is another Brexit myth debunked. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly Tell that to the Debenhams staff... debenhams has nothing to do with brexit. they gone down the pan because of bad management.when peeps are shopping online you dont keep opening massive stores with stupidily long tenencys on the propertys and think you can carry on the way you allways have.if you dont move with the times in retail you die.firm i work for seen this coming ages ago. last fuve years we have shut down five stores that were costing firm money and grown our online shop. stop blami.g every bit of shit news on brexit.and before anyone starts im neither leave or remain.has no impact on my life either way Is that a fact or you just guessing..
what the reason debenhams is in the toilet or wont have any impact on my life? debenhams has been in the shit the last five or so years so fuck all to do with brexit wich the vote was only 3 yrs ago.and as for having no impact on my life being i. the e.u or out of it wont make a blind bit of difference to me.i live paypack to paypack so ya relly cant have less than fuck all anyway.have no mortgage or credit card bills or any debt so i will just keep doing what im doing either way"Sorry you can't say it's fuck all to do with brexit .Maybe it is maybe it isn't maybe it's the straw that broke the camels back and maybe it isn't.At the end of the day it's isn't a fact that it's got fuck all to fo with brexit. | |||
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"The EU is out of control. The commission sits in its ivory towers harping on about how it’s brought peace and stability. If that’s the case. Then why has it divided this nation " it because people like yourself see the EU as a kicking bag for everything that is wrong.... its an easy target when most of the issues of concern are a lot lot closer to home, but you just don't want to admit that! "Why is hate crime on the rise, throughout Europe. " you tell me.... your buddies, fear of "dark people" harping back to the good old days of empire ect ect..... " Why has Free movement allowed criminal gangs and criminals to profiteer and exploit human trafficking, smuggling, drugs and guns across frictionless borders. " and it had also allowed every half notorius UK criminal on the police to 20 target list to be basically sitting in a villa in spain, or greece, or portugal......... "Free Movement caused massive pressures on our services and housing." actually... this on is not true, even the governments own report they brought out to look at immigration post brexit concedes that EU residents bring more in revenue, use less befenits, and do not impact in housing, schools, nhs ect ect ect..... "Health Tourism. " again... a flat out lie.... do you actually know how much people from the EU cost the NHS in terms of Treatment...... the answer is Zero!!! let me say that again...Zero, Nothing, nada, Ziltch... the reason is that if an EU resident is here and is liable for any charges, then the NHS bills that countries government for the treatment... it is the same for example...if you were to have an accident in spain, or greece on holiday... and you needed immediate treatment!!! "Why is the extreme far right gaining such momentum throughout Europe. " i refer you to the answer in hate crimes... fear of "darkies".... the fact they don't look at "darkies" as equals..... ect ect ect "Why is Multiculturalism causing no go areas throughout Europe. " that is not only not true, that is a not true trope that actually came from fox news... that trope was so bad paris and birmingham (two of the cities that were mentioned) sued fox news for slander.... if fact not only did fox news retract it all... they went on the have to mention it on all their broadcasts that it wasn't true! (as per part of the agreement they had to mention at least once every 3hrs for 60 days) "Why is Racism so prevalent and growing at an alarming rate. " fear of the "darkies" again...... can you guess what i think of your line of reasoned questions and as to what i think your motives behind mentioning them are...... i have a favourite phrase that i have twiddled with but it gets the points across.... "i don't think your racist, but if i were to ask a racist what they thought of your posts... i think we may get a different answer! "But hey. Hang on to your fantasies that the EU is good for the UK. " the EU is good for the UK, they have invested in parts of the country the UK governments of all shades have left behind for the last 20-30 yrs thru the EU regeneration fund.... the one thing the EU doesn't do well is "big up" all the bloody good work it does do!!! and i wish it would..... as i said at the top....I'm sorry, when i see stuff trying to be put together to create a narrative... and the information is not true, to the point of intentionally misleading at best, or flat out lying at worst, then it needs to be called out... I am sure one of your "Friends" will complain.... and i am sure it will get me 24hrs/or 48hrs..... in context i think i have been kinder about dismantling your "falsehoods" than i would have been if it had been written last night which i was sorely tempted to....... | |||
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"I'm sorry, when i see stuff trying to be put together to create a narrative... and the information is not true, to the point of intentionally misleading at best, or flat out lying at worst, then it needs to be called out... the fact that "pat" then endorsed it shows that once again, he doesn't an an iota of credibility and has a shread of understanding of what was written... so lets take out some of the parts that really annoyed me.... The EU is out of control. The commission sits in its ivory towers harping on about how it’s brought peace and stability. If that’s the case. Then why has it divided this nation it because people like yourself see the EU as a kicking bag for everything that is wrong.... its an easy target when most of the issues of concern are a lot lot closer to home, but you just don't want to admit that! Why is hate crime on the rise, throughout Europe. you tell me.... your buddies, fear of "dark people" harping back to the good old days of empire ect ect..... Why has Free movement allowed criminal gangs and criminals to profiteer and exploit human trafficking, smuggling, drugs and guns across frictionless borders. and it had also allowed every half notorius UK criminal on the police to 20 target list to be basically sitting in a villa in spain, or greece, or portugal......... Free Movement caused massive pressures on our services and housing. actually... this on is not true, even the governments own report they brought out to look at immigration post brexit concedes that EU residents bring more in revenue, use less befenits, and do not impact in housing, schools, nhs ect ect ect..... Health Tourism. again... a flat out lie.... do you actually know how much people from the EU cost the NHS in terms of Treatment...... the answer is Zero!!! let me say that again...Zero, Nothing, nada, Ziltch... the reason is that if an EU resident is here and is liable for any charges, then the NHS bills that countries government for the treatment... it is the same for example...if you were to have an accident in spain, or greece on holiday... and you needed immediate treatment!!! Why is the extreme far right gaining such momentum throughout Europe. i refer you to the answer in hate crimes... fear of "darkies".... the fact they don't look at "darkies" as equals..... ect ect ect Why is Multiculturalism causing no go areas throughout Europe. that is not only not true, that is a not true trope that actually came from fox news... that trope was so bad paris and birmingham (two of the cities that were mentioned) sued fox news for slander.... if fact not only did fox news retract it all... they went on the have to mention it on all their broadcasts that it wasn't true! (as per part of the agreement they had to mention at least once every 3hrs for 60 days) Why is Racism so prevalent and growing at an alarming rate. fear of the "darkies" again...... can you guess what i think of your line of reasoned questions and as to what i think your motives behind mentioning them are...... i have a favourite phrase that i have twiddled with but it gets the points across.... "i don't think your racist, but if i were to ask a racist what they thought of your posts... i think we may get a different answer! But hey. Hang on to your fantasies that the EU is good for the UK. the EU is good for the UK, they have invested in parts of the country the UK governments of all shades have left behind for the last 20-30 yrs thru the EU regeneration fund.... the one thing the EU doesn't do well is "big up" all the bloody good work it does do!!! and i wish it would..... as i said at the top....I'm sorry, when i see stuff trying to be put together to create a narrative... and the information is not true, to the point of intentionally misleading at best, or flat out lying at worst, then it needs to be called out... I am sure one of your "Friends" will complain.... and i am sure it will get me 24hrs/or 48hrs..... in context i think i have been kinder about dismantling your "falsehoods" than i would have been if it had been written last night which i was sorely tempted to......." Agree with every word you said Fabio | |||
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"I'm sorry, when i see stuff trying to be put together to create a narrative... and the information is not true, to the point of intentionally misleading at best, or flat out lying at worst, then it needs to be called out... the fact that "pat" then endorsed it shows that once again, he doesn't an an iota of credibility and has a shread of understanding of what was written... so lets take out some of the parts that really annoyed me.... The EU is out of control. The commission sits in its ivory towers harping on about how it’s brought peace and stability. If that’s the case. Then why has it divided this nation it because people like yourself see the EU as a kicking bag for everything that is wrong.... its an easy target when most of the issues of concern are a lot lot closer to home, but you just don't want to admit that! Why is hate crime on the rise, throughout Europe. you tell me.... your buddies, fear of "dark people" harping back to the good old days of empire ect ect..... Why has Free movement allowed criminal gangs and criminals to profiteer and exploit human trafficking, smuggling, drugs and guns across frictionless borders. and it had also allowed every half notorius UK criminal on the police to 20 target list to be basically sitting in a villa in spain, or greece, or portugal......... Free Movement caused massive pressures on our services and housing. actually... this on is not true, even the governments own report they brought out to look at immigration post brexit concedes that EU residents bring more in revenue, use less befenits, and do not impact in housing, schools, nhs ect ect ect..... Health Tourism. again... a flat out lie.... do you actually know how much people from the EU cost the NHS in terms of Treatment...... the answer is Zero!!! let me say that again...Zero, Nothing, nada, Ziltch... the reason is that if an EU resident is here and is liable for any charges, then the NHS bills that countries government for the treatment... it is the same for example...if you were to have an accident in spain, or greece on holiday... and you needed immediate treatment!!! Why is the extreme far right gaining such momentum throughout Europe. i refer you to the answer in hate crimes... fear of "darkies".... the fact they don't look at "darkies" as equals..... ect ect ect Why is Multiculturalism causing no go areas throughout Europe. that is not only not true, that is a not true trope that actually came from fox news... that trope was so bad paris and birmingham (two of the cities that were mentioned) sued fox news for slander.... if fact not only did fox news retract it all... they went on the have to mention it on all their broadcasts that it wasn't true! (as per part of the agreement they had to mention at least once every 3hrs for 60 days) Why is Racism so prevalent and growing at an alarming rate. fear of the "darkies" again...... can you guess what i think of your line of reasoned questions and as to what i think your motives behind mentioning them are...... i have a favourite phrase that i have twiddled with but it gets the points across.... "i don't think your racist, but if i were to ask a racist what they thought of your posts... i think we may get a different answer! But hey. Hang on to your fantasies that the EU is good for the UK. the EU is good for the UK, they have invested in parts of the country the UK governments of all shades have left behind for the last 20-30 yrs thru the EU regeneration fund.... the one thing the EU doesn't do well is "big up" all the bloody good work it does do!!! and i wish it would..... as i said at the top....I'm sorry, when i see stuff trying to be put together to create a narrative... and the information is not true, to the point of intentionally misleading at best, or flat out lying at worst, then it needs to be called out... I am sure one of your "Friends" will complain.... and i am sure it will get me 24hrs/or 48hrs..... in context i think i have been kinder about dismantling your "falsehoods" than i would have been if it had been written last night which i was sorely tempted to......." Fabio you allways make your points sound good but they are totslly biased with no objectivity but a good read at least,as they amuse me | |||
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"I'm sorry, when i see stuff trying to be put together to create a narrative... and the information is not true, to the point of intentionally misleading at best, or flat out lying at worst, then it needs to be called out... the fact that "pat" then endorsed it shows that once again, he doesn't an an iota of credibility and has a shread of understanding of what was written... so lets take out some of the parts that really annoyed me.... The EU is out of control. The commission sits in its ivory towers harping on about how it’s brought peace and stability. If that’s the case. Then why has it divided this nation it because people like yourself see the EU as a kicking bag for everything that is wrong.... its an easy target when most of the issues of concern are a lot lot closer to home, but you just don't want to admit that! Why is hate crime on the rise, throughout Europe. you tell me.... your buddies, fear of "dark people" harping back to the good old days of empire ect ect..... Why has Free movement allowed criminal gangs and criminals to profiteer and exploit human trafficking, smuggling, drugs and guns across frictionless borders. and it had also allowed every half notorius UK criminal on the police to 20 target list to be basically sitting in a villa in spain, or greece, or portugal......... Free Movement caused massive pressures on our services and housing. actually... this on is not true, even the governments own report they brought out to look at immigration post brexit concedes that EU residents bring more in revenue, use less befenits, and do not impact in housing, schools, nhs ect ect ect..... Health Tourism. again... a flat out lie.... do you actually know how much people from the EU cost the NHS in terms of Treatment...... the answer is Zero!!! let me say that again...Zero, Nothing, nada, Ziltch... the reason is that if an EU resident is here and is liable for any charges, then the NHS bills that countries government for the treatment... it is the same for example...if you were to have an accident in spain, or greece on holiday... and you needed immediate treatment!!! Why is the extreme far right gaining such momentum throughout Europe. i refer you to the answer in hate crimes... fear of "darkies".... the fact they don't look at "darkies" as equals..... ect ect ect Why is Multiculturalism causing no go areas throughout Europe. that is not only not true, that is a not true trope that actually came from fox news... that trope was so bad paris and birmingham (two of the cities that were mentioned) sued fox news for slander.... if fact not only did fox news retract it all... they went on the have to mention it on all their broadcasts that it wasn't true! (as per part of the agreement they had to mention at least once every 3hrs for 60 days) Why is Racism so prevalent and growing at an alarming rate. fear of the "darkies" again...... can you guess what i think of your line of reasoned questions and as to what i think your motives behind mentioning them are...... i have a favourite phrase that i have twiddled with but it gets the points across.... "i don't think your racist, but if i were to ask a racist what they thought of your posts... i think we may get a different answer! But hey. Hang on to your fantasies that the EU is good for the UK. the EU is good for the UK, they have invested in parts of the country the UK governments of all shades have left behind for the last 20-30 yrs thru the EU regeneration fund.... the one thing the EU doesn't do well is "big up" all the bloody good work it does do!!! and i wish it would..... as i said at the top....I'm sorry, when i see stuff trying to be put together to create a narrative... and the information is not true, to the point of intentionally misleading at best, or flat out lying at worst, then it needs to be called out... I am sure one of your "Friends" will complain.... and i am sure it will get me 24hrs/or 48hrs..... in context i think i have been kinder about dismantling your "falsehoods" than i would have been if it had been written last night which i was sorely tempted to.......Fabio you allways make your points sound good but they are totslly biased with no objectivity but a good read at least,as they amuse me" If it is true, why is it regarded as bias? | |||
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"Fact, the cause for all the ‘negative’ and some ‘positive’ stuff happening is purely uncertainty and speculation.... People risking around gambling on the stock markets etc etc.. It’s why the dollar fell just before the US elections. Had nothing to do with the result, purely people speculating and vast numbers then made a fortune... Clearly not vast numbers, a few well placed individuals and hedge funds Leave as quickly as possible and you get none of that and people just build what they can and life moves on!! True, but why leave something good for something that is pretty rubbish for most? Fact, the Greek economy have been completely decimated by the EU and them having to be part of the Euro. Disagree with the Fact, Greece chose to adopt the Euro meaning they didn’t have flexibility in interest rates and currency. Fact Germany and France are shit scared wondering where they will come up with the additional money to keep the club afloat. Likely doubling their net contributions to the EU budget, because Italy sure as hell hasn’t got any more to give. Fact? Probably a concern, but as you would say they’ll just get on with it. Fact, the world is not going to end when we leave. Fact, the UK legal system will not collapse when we leave, we just have the chance to unpick what we don’t like about what was shoved down our throats.... Don’t know where you got that from, nobody said our Legal system would collapse - 99% of laws we have introduced are our own. Blar, blar. Now if you want to give us Actual facts on what IS going to happen in the negative when we leave then happy to listen. But all the leave points are based on gambling and uncertainty not on the actual act of leaving!! " Does your last point actually support Remain? | |||
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"fact the uk has paid £100 million more than its received since the year 2000. " Source, and really | |||
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"fact the uk has paid £100 million more than its received since the year 2000. Source, and really "You could barely buy 2 ferries for that... | |||
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"fact the uk has paid £100 million more than its received since the year 2000. Source, and really "fact finder. | |||
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"fact the uk has paid £100 million more than its received since the year 2000. Source, and really fact finder. "The one that said “Correct, but meaningless”? | |||
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"fact the uk has paid £100 million more than its received since the year 2000. " That's around £11 million a year that's loose change fella...we've spent over a 1.9billion on preparation for brexit so far .Thats a bigger number in case maths isn't your thing. Source full fact... | |||
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"fact the uk has paid £100 million more than its received since the year 2000. Source, and really fact finder. "sorry fullfact.org. | |||
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"fact the uk has paid £100 million more than its received since the year 2000. That's around £11 million a year that's loose change fella...we've spent over a 1.9billion on preparation for brexit so far .Thats a bigger number in case maths isn't your thing. Source full fact... "sorry did i say million? i ment billion small change indeed. | |||
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"fact the uk has paid £100 million more than its received since the year 2000. Source, and really fact finder.
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"fact the uk has paid £100 million more than its received since the year 2000. Source, and really fact finder.
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"fact the uk has paid £100 million more than its received since the year 2000. Source, and really fact finder.
The one that said “Correct, but meaningless”?
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"fact the uk has paid £100 million more than its received since the year 2000. Source, and really fact finder.
The one that said “Correct, but meaningless”?
Bump Doesnt say anything about meaningless what i read,£100 billion is meaninless to you then.
...read the heading: https://fullfact.org/europe/claim-about-uks-eu-contribution-correct-meaningless/"£65 billion is the correct figure according to full fact when you factor in what's paid back to the uk. So that's about 5 billion a year. Brexiters always trying to pull the wool over people's eyes... | |||
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"I'm sorry, when i see stuff trying to be put together to create a narrative... and the information is not true, to the point of intentionally misleading at best, or flat out lying at worst, then it needs to be called out... the fact that "pat" then endorsed it shows that once again, he doesn't an an iota of credibility and has a shread of understanding of what was written... so lets take out some of the parts that really annoyed me.... The EU is out of control. The commission sits in its ivory towers harping on about how it’s brought peace and stability. If that’s the case. Then why has it divided this nation it because people like yourself see the EU as a kicking bag for everything that is wrong.... its an easy target when most of the issues of concern are a lot lot closer to home, but you just don't want to admit that! Why is hate crime on the rise, throughout Europe. you tell me.... your buddies, fear of "dark people" harping back to the good old days of empire ect ect..... Why has Free movement allowed criminal gangs and criminals to profiteer and exploit human trafficking, smuggling, drugs and guns across frictionless borders. and it had also allowed every half notorius UK criminal on the police to 20 target list to be basically sitting in a villa in spain, or greece, or portugal......... Free Movement caused massive pressures on our services and housing. actually... this on is not true, even the governments own report they brought out to look at immigration post brexit concedes that EU residents bring more in revenue, use less befenits, and do not impact in housing, schools, nhs ect ect ect..... Health Tourism. again... a flat out lie.... do you actually know how much people from the EU cost the NHS in terms of Treatment...... the answer is Zero!!! let me say that again...Zero, Nothing, nada, Ziltch... the reason is that if an EU resident is here and is liable for any charges, then the NHS bills that countries government for the treatment... it is the same for example...if you were to have an accident in spain, or greece on holiday... and you needed immediate treatment!!! Why is the extreme far right gaining such momentum throughout Europe. i refer you to the answer in hate crimes... fear of "darkies".... the fact they don't look at "darkies" as equals..... ect ect ect Why is Multiculturalism causing no go areas throughout Europe. that is not only not true, that is a not true trope that actually came from fox news... that trope was so bad paris and birmingham (two of the cities that were mentioned) sued fox news for slander.... if fact not only did fox news retract it all... they went on the have to mention it on all their broadcasts that it wasn't true! (as per part of the agreement they had to mention at least once every 3hrs for 60 days) Why is Racism so prevalent and growing at an alarming rate. fear of the "darkies" again...... can you guess what i think of your line of reasoned questions and as to what i think your motives behind mentioning them are...... i have a favourite phrase that i have twiddled with but it gets the points across.... "i don't think your racist, but if i were to ask a racist what they thought of your posts... i think we may get a different answer! But hey. Hang on to your fantasies that the EU is good for the UK. the EU is good for the UK, they have invested in parts of the country the UK governments of all shades have left behind for the last 20-30 yrs thru the EU regeneration fund.... the one thing the EU doesn't do well is "big up" all the bloody good work it does do!!! and i wish it would..... as i said at the top....I'm sorry, when i see stuff trying to be put together to create a narrative... and the information is not true, to the point of intentionally misleading at best, or flat out lying at worst, then it needs to be called out... I am sure one of your "Friends" will complain.... and i am sure it will get me 24hrs/or 48hrs..... in context i think i have been kinder about dismantling your "falsehoods" than i would have been if it had been written last night which i was sorely tempted to......." You are being far too reasonable Fabio....Pat is pompous, condescending and generally a bit irritating but at least everybody knows he is talking bollocks whereas some of the other posters on here who claim to have a PhD cannot even spell, blah! You couldn’t make it up could you! | |||
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"ERC funding in 2017 to Oxford £14m....a simple google search...'eu money to Oxford uni' will show up on the first line or two. 'Independant' researchers will spout whatever the hell 'facts' the money men ask them. He who pays the piper calls the tune" 14/1600 = 0.00875, which is less than 1% of their funding. Is your inference that it is enough to compromise the entire university? Did the entire (or any of the) funding go on the research? & is the research incorrect in any way? | |||
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"I reckon 14 mil would buy a hell of a lot of 'independant' research yeah... or maybe enough to hand a bunch of press releases to a bunch of ' independant' researchers and tell them to state whatever in printed as 'fact'... because nobody is going to question the bigwigs at oxbridge....are they?" It might be like that in your world, but not so much at Oxford. Just slinging mud doesn’t mean it sticks
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"I reckon 14 mil would buy a hell of a lot of 'independant' research yeah... or maybe enough to hand a bunch of press releases to a bunch of ' independant' researchers and tell them to state whatever in printed as 'fact'... because nobody is going to question the bigwigs at oxbridge....are they? It might be like that in your world, but not so much at Oxford. Just slinging mud doesn’t mean it sticks
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"I reckon 14 mil would buy a hell of a lot of 'independant' research yeah... or maybe enough to hand a bunch of press releases to a bunch of ' independant' researchers and tell them to state whatever in printed as 'fact'... because nobody is going to question the bigwigs at oxbridge....are they? It might be like that in your world, but not so much at Oxford. Just slinging mud doesn’t mean it sticks
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Even if it's right they've had enough of experts.. "It is pathetic really, this presumption that anything that involves a bit of genuine research, effort and analysis can be denied by pure bluster, pretty depressing really  | |||
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"I reckon 14 mil would buy a hell of a lot of 'independant' research yeah... or maybe enough to hand a bunch of press releases to a bunch of ' independant' researchers and tell them to state whatever in printed as 'fact'... because nobody is going to question the bigwigs at oxbridge....are they? It might be like that in your world, but not so much at Oxford. Just slinging mud doesn’t mean it sticks
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Even if it's right they've had enough of experts..
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"Supposition and crystal ball gazing are not facts. Fact." And telling people that what they think is a fact is not actually a fact is also not a fact either, even if true. (I'll reframe from writing FACT at the end, for obvious reasons) | |||
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"Given the division in the Country over Brexit following such a narrow result, and come to that within political parties.... Isn't it time that voting was made compulsory? Or do you think the result would still have been so narrow?" It is an interesting idea. Other options are to make Referendum results require a simple majority of the voting population. This would have required changing the Status Quo to gain 23.56m votes, which clearly they didn’t. | |||
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"Given the division in the Country over Brexit following such a narrow result, and come to that within political parties.... Isn't it time that voting was made compulsory? Or do you think the result would still have been so narrow? It is an interesting idea. Other options are to make Referendum results require a simple majority of the voting population. This would have required changing the Status Quo to gain 23.56m votes, which clearly they didn’t." | |||
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"Given the division in the Country over Brexit following such a narrow result, and come to that within political parties.... Isn't it time that voting was made compulsory? Or do you think the result would still have been so narrow? It is an interesting idea. Other options are to make Referendum results require a simple majority of the voting population. This would have required changing the Status Quo to gain 23.56m votes, which clearly they didn’t. "Other constitutions mandate super/supra majorities of 60%/67%/75% for major changes. It is fair to say Cameron cocked up by not going down one of these paths. Often with a minimal turnout. As it is we could have had 3 people voting, 47m abstaining and if 2 had voted leave and 1 Remain, then we’d be off - it does show the absurdity of the process! | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. You are making this up? "No he's not. | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. You are making this up? No he's not."Yes he is | |||
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"Given the division in the Country over Brexit following such a narrow result, and come to that within political parties.... Isn't it time that voting was made compulsory? Or do you think the result would still have been so narrow?" Or just do away with referendum on subjects where one option is so clearly in the favour of a few individuals at the cost of everyone else. We wouldn't have had a referendum on returning to feudalism or a referendum to see if we all want one of our eyes poked out with a big stick. | |||
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"Given the division in the Country over Brexit following such a narrow result, and come to that within political parties.... Isn't it time that voting was made compulsory? Or do you think the result would still have been so narrow? Or just do away with referendum on subjects where one option is so clearly in the favour of a few individuals at the cost of everyone else. We wouldn't have had a referendum on returning to feudalism or a referendum to see if we all want one of our eyes poked out with a big stick." Made me laugh | |||
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"Given the division in the Country over Brexit following such a narrow result, and come to that within political parties.... Isn't it time that voting was made compulsory? Or do you think the result would still have been so narrow? Or just do away with referendum on subjects where one option is so clearly in the favour of a few individuals at the cost of everyone else. We wouldn't have had a referendum on returning to feudalism or a referendum to see if we all want one of our eyes poked out with a big stick. Made me laugh "
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly But imagine how much better we would be doing if we weren't flushing £600-900 million down the Brexit toilet each week. You just made the case for WTO No Deal.!!! Go on, how does wasting £600-£900 millions per week on Brexit have anything to do with the most damaging Brexit option? Thread is about facts not pessimistic, project fear. No evidence to suggest WTO most damaging, just opinion and crap talk about medicines running out. So if you are sitting there with a bird in the hand, and you heard a sound in a bush, and the person next to you said there are 2 in there, let go of the one in your hand and jump into the bush! Of course you are going to get the 2... How do we have a bird in the hand, the EU is failing. European Central Bank’s quantitative easing “Asset Purchasing Programme.” The ECB has been buying bonds, stocks, and anything else that isn’t nailed down wholesale, to save the Euro from collapsing banks in Italy are having trouble refinancing their bond issues. That is forcing them to curtail lending to an already-weak private sector. Rising mortgage rates are cutting into consumer spending. Is this what made you vote in 2016? The EU is better with us, and we are better with them. What made me vote leave in 2016, was seeing a simple trading relationship, move to an ugly grab for power, money and a Federal dictatorship. With a European Army. You are making this up? No he's not.
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"Prescription drug shortages already occurring as a direct result of Brexit - FactWhat fake news sight did you get this from? Mirror.co.uk - The Pharmaceutical Services Negotiating Committee (PSNC), which draws up the list, said Britain's exit from the EU coupled with manufacturers' views of the country as a "less attractive market" had caused the "significant" problems.That does NOT mean there is a shortage.The fact is that all the predictions about the damage just voting to leave have been proved WRONG There are allways problems nothing to do with being in or out of Europe Stop pretending, Brexit is causing supply difficulties, in isolation - so what, for the people affected, it can be life threatening. Why should we accept this risk for less than zero upside? I am in my sixties and need meds to keep me alive and well,and I an not the slightest bit worried that my drugs that I need will not be available
I’m pleased that you aren’t concerned, however I wouldn’t want you being in charge of logistics as you seem to rely on hope. I sincerely wish you well, but your risk is soooooo much lower if we stay in the EU."(m) answering fact bank for international settlement states that the only countries in Europe to "surf" the next Black Friday are UK, Switzerland and Liechtenstein. The banks bound in the Euro would either "close" their doors or would be forced to merger with Savers losing 75% of their deposits 2nd fact Germany is on verge of a recession, Italy is in a recession and France is expected to go into recession 3rd fact since 2010 with demanded cuts to social services in Greece by Brussels annual approximately 400 OAP's seek way of suicide as they are starving 4th fact May this year Switzerland are voting over the weapon laws of the schengeen agreement and with a No Switzerland will be excluded from the Schengeen zone resulting into excluding free movement of all EU citizens. it looks that the citizens of Switzerland will say with 54% No and a majority of the cantons the simple fact is that if you could read German French or Italian their newspapers all say the same "we are fed up with Brussels" that's the simple facts | |||
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"Of those that voted in 2016 - there are more that voted remain alive today than voted to leave. Fact The above fact worries the daylights out of the Tories Fact " Prove it! | |||
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"Of those that voted in 2016 - there are more that voted remain alive today than voted to leave. Fact The above fact worries the daylights out of the Tories Fact Prove it!" Lets have a 2nd Referendum, with an additional question about age and how people votes - then we can extrapolate based on the number deceased the delta in votes - simples, but pretty flawed as it trusts the voters! | |||
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"If a Daily Mail columnist thinks this, after years of being a Brexiteer..., “Peter Oborne was a cheerleader for leaving the EU. Now he warns future generations may ‘look back and damn us’” This is never going to resonate with rabid Brexiteers, but he is an influencer and I’m sure many of the milder Brexiteers will be wondering exactly the same thing & this gives them permission to voice it now "Hi. One person changing their mind is hardly going to influence many people ..iy simply contras against remainers who now want to leave . | |||
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"If a Daily Mail columnist thinks this, after years of being a Brexiteer..., “Peter Oborne was a cheerleader for leaving the EU. Now he warns future generations may ‘look back and damn us’” This is never going to resonate with rabid Brexiteers, but he is an influencer and I’m sure many of the milder Brexiteers will be wondering exactly the same thing & this gives them permission to voice it now Hi. One person changing their mind is hardly going to influence many people ..iy simply contras against remainers who now want to leave ."If one of the Daily Mail cheerleaders changes his mind, it is pretty likely that readers will consider there position as well - especially as many of them have children and grand children... Itisn’t quite the same as an ordinary Remainer now wanting to Leave (if there actually are any of course) | |||
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" (m) answering fact bank for international settlement states that the only countries in Europe to "surf" the next Black Friday are UK, Switzerland and Liechtenstein. The banks bound in the Euro would either "close" their doors or would be forced to merger with Savers losing 75% of their deposits" and that is because the Bank of England "stress test" used to test a liquidity of a bank is a lot higher than the stress test used by the ECB... it also means that UK banks put aside a lot more money to prepare for emergencies so to speak (the Bank of England you could say learn the lessons of having to bail out Northern Rock and RBS, whereas it can be argued the ECB didn't learn from the Bank of Cyprus situation)... which is less money that can be invested!! its all swings and roundabouts..... "2nd fact Germany is on verge of a recession, Italy is in a recession and France is expected to go into recession " cool... growth figure comparisons... not sure if you want to go there.. but here is your fact and yet in 17/18, 18/19.... and the forecasts for 19/20 and 20/21... all those countries have either done better per year, or are being forecasted to do better per year than the UK...... so... erm... go uk!!!....sure!!! "3rd fact since 2010 with demanded cuts to social services in Greece by Brussels annual approximately 400 OAP's seek way of suicide as they are starving " this is the same greece that in 2010 had a retirement age of 52...... nice if you can get it...... greece was spending more money than they were taking in... and the rich people in greece thought that paying tax was "optional" that is now not the case..... "4th fact May this year Switzerland are voting over the weapon laws of the schengeen agreement and with a No Switzerland will be excluded from the Schengeen zone resulting into excluding free movement of all EU citizens. it looks that the citizens of Switzerland will say with 54% No and a majority of the cantons " again.... nice in isolation... but this needs context put on it... after the paris attacks where people brought in guns from belgium, the EU wanted to tighten up rules... freedom of movement doesn't mean freedom to brings gun cross border, that was the loophole being closed! "the simple fact is that if you could read German French or Italian their newspapers all say the same "we are fed up with Brussels" that's the simple facts " again... the issue some people like to do is use facts in isolation to suit a narrative... or in the case of point 2 either at best its misleading and at worst, well.... i don't know you so i will give you the benefit of the doubt! | |||
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"Fact, the cause for all the ‘negative’ and some ‘positive’ stuff happening is purely uncertainty and speculation.... People risking around gambling on the stock markets etc etc.. It’s why the dollar fell just before the US elections. Had nothing to do with the result, purely people speculating and vast numbers then made a fortune... Leave as quickly as possible and you get none of that and people just build what they can and life moves on!! Fact, the Greek economy have been completely decimated by the EU and them having to be part of the Euro. Fact Germany and France are shit scared wondering where they will come up with the additional money to keep the club afloat. Likely doubling their net contributions to the EU budget, because Italy sure as hell hasn’t got any more to give. Fact, the world is not going to end when we leave. Fact, the UK legal system will not collapse when we leave, we just have the chance to unpick what we don’t like about what was shoved down our throats.... Blar, blar. Now if you want to give us Actual facts on what IS going to happen in the negative when we leave then happy to listen. But all the leave points are based on gambling and uncertainty not on the actual act of leaving!! " exelent post | |||
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"Fact, the cause for all the ‘negative’ and some ‘positive’ stuff happening is purely uncertainty and speculation.... People risking around gambling on the stock markets etc etc.. It’s why the dollar fell just before the US elections. Had nothing to do with the result, purely people speculating and vast numbers then made a fortune... Leave as quickly as possible and you get none of that and people just build what they can and life moves on!! Fact, the Greek economy have been completely decimated by the EU and them having to be part of the Euro. Fact Germany and France are shit scared wondering where they will come up with the additional money to keep the club afloat. Likely doubling their net contributions to the EU budget, because Italy sure as hell hasn’t got any more to give. Fact, the world is not going to end when we leave. Fact, the UK legal system will not collapse when we leave, we just have the chance to unpick what we don’t like about what was shoved down our throats.... Blar, blar. Now if you want to give us Actual facts on what IS going to happen in the negative when we leave then happy to listen. But all the leave points are based on gambling and uncertainty not on the actual act of leaving!! exelent post"About as good as your spelling! | |||
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"Fact Source - Forbes Across Europe, and particularly in the 18-member Eurozone, the economic news is sobering. It’s now clear that the credit crunch in emerging markets which has played out over most of this year, plus the slowdown in China, are having negative consequences in Europe. Yet, despite the ongoing trauma of Brexit, the UK is cruising along relatively smoothly" This is not a fact. This is an opinion piece written by a "contributor" in Jan 2019. | |||
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" (m) answering fact bank for international settlement states that the only countries in Europe to "surf" the next Black Friday are UK, Switzerland and Liechtenstein. The banks bound in the Euro would either "close" their doors or would be forced to merger with Savers losing 75% of their deposits and that is because the Bank of England "stress test" used to test a liquidity of a bank is a lot higher than the stress test used by the ECB... it also means that UK banks put aside a lot more money to prepare for emergencies so to speak (the Bank of England you could say learn the lessons of having to bail out Northern Rock and RBS, whereas it can be argued the ECB didn't learn from the Bank of Cyprus situation)... which is less money that can be invested!! its all swings and roundabouts..... 2nd fact Germany is on verge of a recession, Italy is in a recession and France is expected to go into recession cool... growth figure comparisons... not sure if you want to go there.. but here is your fact and yet in 17/18, 18/19.... and the forecasts for 19/20 and 20/21... all those countries have either done better per year, or are being forecasted to do better per year than the UK...... so... erm... go uk!!!....sure!!! 3rd fact since 2010 with demanded cuts to social services in Greece by Brussels annual approximately 400 OAP's seek way of suicide as they are starving this is the same greece that in 2010 had a retirement age of 52...... nice if you can get it...... greece was spending more money than they were taking in... and the rich people in greece thought that paying tax was "optional" that is now not the case..... 4th fact May this year Switzerland are voting over the weapon laws of the schengeen agreement and with a No Switzerland will be excluded from the Schengeen zone resulting into excluding free movement of all EU citizens. it looks that the citizens of Switzerland will say with 54% No and a majority of the cantons again.... nice in isolation... but this needs context put on it... after the paris attacks where people brought in guns from belgium, the EU wanted to tighten up rules... freedom of movement doesn't mean freedom to brings gun cross border, that was the loophole being closed! the simple fact is that if you could read German French or Italian their newspapers all say the same "we are fed up with Brussels" that's the simple facts again... the issue some people like to do is use facts in isolation to suit a narrative... or in the case of point 2 either at best its misleading and at worst, well.... i don't know you so i will give you the benefit of the doubt!" It’s easy to retire at 52 if someone else is paying for it?? | |||
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