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"I’ll only vote if it’s a referendum on whether to have another referendum. The neverendum. "Just keep voting till everyone gets fed up and kick out the useless politicians  | |||
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"Assuming this is a protest against the perception that the referendum result is being ignored, I'm really glad that you'll choose not to vote, and I'd enourage you to encourage as many Brexiters as possible to follow your lead."  | |||
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"So when this eventually happens will you vote again and would you change your vote from your first, I wouldn't vote again " Definitely with you on that, but I might vote again if remain is not one of the choices Why should remainers get two votes all they have done since the referendum is bitch and moan sad losers all of them | |||
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"Will that set a precedence for all future votes? Do not like the outcome. Lets have another "This is my feeling too | |||
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"So when this eventually happens will you vote again and would you change your vote from your first, I wouldn't vote again Definitely with you on that, but I might vote again if remain is not one of the choices Why should remainers get two votes all they have done since the referendum is bitch and moan sad losers all of them " So you’d want another referendum but with only one choice ? Doesn’t that defeat the purpose | |||
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"So when this eventually happens will you vote again and would you change your vote from your first, I wouldn't vote again " Nope and neither would I . Bottom line is the ruling classes will always be in Westminster regardless and pursuing their own little agenda's in pursuit of power and fortune. Ive known only just realised this btw  | |||
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"So when this eventually happens will you vote again and would you change your vote from your first, I wouldn't vote again Definitely with you on that, but I might vote again if remain is not one of the choices Why should remainers get two votes all they have done since the referendum is bitch and moan sad losers all of them " | |||
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""Ruling Classes"?? How can you democratically elect people to represent you and then use their position as a perjorative?" So you don't bear any responsibility for their actions!! | |||
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"A second referendum is basically a guaranteed Remain , no matter what !!" disagree think even more would vote leave. Not that there will be one. | |||
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"A second referendum is basically a guaranteed Remain , no matter what !! disagree think even more would vote leave. Not that there will be one." agree. | |||
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"A second referendum is basically a guaranteed Remain , no matter what !! disagree think even more would vote leave. Not that there will be one." I think they will too. But it wont change what they will tell us the result is  | |||
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"There won’t be a second referendum. " | |||
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"The day this happens is the day civil war breaks out" In this fantastic country...Between who? | |||
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"I want a rematch for the battle of Hastings, I didn't like the result. Can you imagine if they had today's attitude back then? Haha "They did... look at history and you'l see there was war after war, battle after battle, fight after fight. In fact, its the last 60 years where Europe has been at it most peaceful and stable in 100s of years. | |||
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"If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it. Spuriously quoted by Mark Twain (SLC)"
Lets have another one and another one, best of 3, 5,7 ? could go on forever | |||
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"I think they should have done one as soon as the bus adverts were revealed as false. I think any widespread false advertisement by any major political party should void a referendum result immediately. We need to realize that a modern referendum need to be run with modern rules, bring them in, and rerun it. But that should have been done ages ago, not now. Now it should just be accepted that false advertising and social media manipulation may have swayed the result." I agree with this and and like others have said there would be riots in the streets at this point if a second referendum resulted in a majority remain vote. | |||
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"I think they should have done one as soon as the bus adverts were revealed as false. I think any widespread false advertisement by any major political party should void a referendum result immediately. We need to realize that a modern referendum need to be run with modern rules, bring them in, and rerun it. But that should have been done ages ago, not now. Now it should just be accepted that false advertising and social media manipulation may have swayed the result." never seen the bus adverts and do not really use social media. How did it sway us? That normal remainer argument it getting boring now. We looked up the pros and cons of both sides ourselves. Taking into account experiance of working in europe and both of us voted to leave. We do not believe what any polititian says whether they for and against tell the truth tho. Do also feel sorry for May. Cameron was a complete ass. | |||
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" I agree with this and and like others have said there would be riots in the streets at this point if a second referendum resulted in a majority remain vote. " I don’t recall any riots after the 2016 referendum. People accepted the majority outcome. Why would anyone refuse to recognise the majority outcome again? | |||
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" I agree with this and and like others have said there would be riots in the streets at this point if a second referendum resulted in a majority remain vote. I don’t recall any riots after the 2016 referendum. People accepted the majority outcome. Why would anyone refuse to recognise the majority outcome again?" People didn't accept it though you only have to open your eyes to see that. | |||
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"Will that set a precedence for all future votes? Do not like the outcome. Lets have another "Don’t like the result of the fa cup final? Ok let’s have another go | |||
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" I agree with this and and like others have said there would be riots in the streets at this point if a second referendum resulted in a majority remain vote. I don’t recall any riots after the 2016 referendum. People accepted the majority outcome. Why would anyone refuse to recognise the majority outcome again?" We're British and rioting isn't really our thing. In France yeah, If there is a 2nd Ref there will be no riots before, nor after. The previous Ref, apart from being non binding and advisory was subject to criminality. Plus, there was a spectrum of leave meanings. Finally, it was 3 years ago. The public has moved on. The pubic knows much more now. 2nd Ref on the outcome based on Remain V Leave (with leave having a sub vote or leave no deal, mays deal) is the way forward. If Leave wins we're out by the means deciding in the leave sub vote (i.e. no deal or mays deal). If we remain, we remain. | |||
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"I would change my mind now I voted to stay but we have gone too far now and we need to leave. " In what way have we 'gone too far' ? | |||
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"I'm loath to vote again but probably would. I'm guessing a lot of people might not bother ~ what good will that do? They'll end up doing what they want anyway, stay most likely "Yep | |||
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" I agree with this and and like others have said there would be riots in the streets at this point if a second referendum resulted in a majority remain vote. I don’t recall any riots after the 2016 referendum. People accepted the majority outcome. Why would anyone refuse to recognise the majority outcome again?" Because the leavers would feel the second referendum was done just to let the remainers have a second chance. Nullifying the previous result and rendering them voiceless ,much less has caused riots. | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain "id say its undemocratic to have another vote?? | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain
id say its undemocratic to have another vote??"Have you only ever voted in one GE? | |||
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"I don't want to be poorer. I don't want my business to go bust. I don't want my children to have less opportunity than I did. So I'll be voting Remain again. Anyone who still wants to leave wants their head looking at... Not one has been able to give me a good reason to leave, and I've asked literally hundreds of the naive, ill-informed or racist fools." You've asked "hundreds" have you?? I very much doubt you're telling the truth | |||
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" I agree with this and and like others have said there would be riots in the streets at this point if a second referendum resulted in a majority remain vote. I don’t recall any riots after the 2016 referendum. People accepted the majority outcome. Why would anyone refuse to recognise the majority outcome again? Because the leavers would feel the second referendum was done just to let the remainers have a second chance. Nullifying the previous result and rendering them voiceless ,much less has caused riots." And they would be right. If remain had won, would we be re-running it? | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain
id say its undemocratic to have another vote??
Have you only ever voted in one GE?"no but iv only ever voted for one party??? | |||
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"I’d vote same again" | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain
id say its undemocratic to have another vote??
Have you only ever voted in one GE?
no but iv only ever voted for one party???"Why? | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain
id say its undemocratic to have another vote??"I agree one hundred percent and also very undemocratic of parliament to oppose the democratic vote as they are doing | |||
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"I don't want to be poorer. I don't want my business to go bust. I don't want my children to have less opportunity than I did. So I'll be voting Remain again. Anyone who still wants to leave wants their head looking at... Not one has been able to give me a good reason to leave, and I've asked literally hundreds of the naive, ill-informed or racist fools." Steady Eddie.. | |||
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"I don't want to be poorer. I don't want my business to go bust. I don't want my children to have less opportunity than I did. So I'll be voting Remain again. Anyone who still wants to leave wants their head looking at... Not one has been able to give me a good reason to leave, and I've asked literally hundreds of the naive, ill-informed or racist fools." | |||
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"I wonder how many politicians will be buying holiday homes with all the extra cash from overtime and expenses you naive fools are paying them "So you dont pay your taxes then ?? | |||
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"What is it with leavers and threats of violence. I wont be intimidated by threats by any cunt. Who would want thugs like these running the country. I never saw any remainers rioting after the referendum I did see a brexiter murder an MP in the street." I would say that in this thread the only nasty comments have been by 2 remainers . Just saying . | |||
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"I agree one hundred percent and also very undemocratic of parliament to oppose the democratic vote as they are doing" It was an Advisory Vote, that was made clear, ironically if it was a binding vote it would've been stopped due to all the illegal activity of the leave campaign. But hey who needs fact, you're old you know these things, fuck young people, let's ruin their future, England for the English! Do you support Scotland leaving us? How about Ireland uniting? | |||
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"I would say that in this thread the only nasty comments have been by 2 remainers . Just saying ." Threatening Civil War to kill Remainers ISN'T a nasty comment?? OK chief. | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain "Probably only remainers will vote So that will make it 1-1 Or is it best of 3-5-7-9 Nothing Democratic about it Just maybe if the remainers had accepted that they lost the referendum and accepted the result we might of been out of the eu with a good deal now | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain
Probably only remainers will vote
So that will make it 1-1
Or is it best of 3-5-7-9
Nothing Democratic about it
Just maybe if the remainers had accepted that they lost the referendum and accepted the result we might of been out of the eu with a good deal now
"It's not undemocratic to resort to more democracy. | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain
Probably only remainers will vote
So that will make it 1-1
Or is it best of 3-5-7-9
Nothing Democratic about it
Just maybe if the remainers had accepted that they lost the referendum and accepted the result we might of been out of the eu with a good deal now
"Actually 2-1 you forgot about the 1973 vote to join the EEC.. | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain
Probably only remainers will vote
So that will make it 1-1
Or is it best of 3-5-7-9
Nothing Democratic about it
Just maybe if the remainers had accepted that they lost the referendum and accepted the result we might of been out of the eu with a good deal now
It's not undemocratic to resort to more democracy."when do you stop?? best of 5? | |||
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"You've asked "hundreds" have you?? I very much doubt you're telling the truth "Yes, hundreds... It's the main topic of conversation with my customers and people I work with... I come into contact with dozens every week, so it's not really a huge stretch to work out that over the course of 3 years, I've discussed Brexit with hundreds of people. | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain
Probably only remainers will vote
So that will make it 1-1
Or is it best of 3-5-7-9
Nothing Democratic about it
Just maybe if the remainers had accepted that they lost the referendum and accepted the result we might of been out of the eu with a good deal now
"I T W A S A D V S O R Y !! No legal requirement to implement the result, nor a time limit. Think man! | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain
Probably only remainers will vote
So that will make it 1-1
Or is it best of 3-5-7-9
Nothing Democratic about it
Just maybe if the remainers had accepted that they lost the referendum and accepted the result we might of been out of the eu with a good deal now
It's not undemocratic to resort to more democracy.
when do you stop?? best of 5?"So it is democratic for may to have 4 meaningful votes and more to force her deal, best of 50? | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain
Probably only remainers will vote
So that will make it 1-1
Or is it best of 3-5-7-9
Nothing Democratic about it
Just maybe if the remainers had accepted that they lost the referendum and accepted the result we might of been out of the eu with a good deal now
It's not undemocratic to resort to more democracy.
when do you stop?? best of 5?"
Democracy never stops when it does it's called a dictatorship.., | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain
Probably only remainers will vote
So that will make it 1-1
Or is it best of 3-5-7-9
Nothing Democratic about it
Just maybe if the remainers had accepted that they lost the referendum and accepted the result we might of been out of the eu with a good deal now
It's not undemocratic to resort to more democracy.
when do you stop?? best of 5?"Oh and I accept that leave won. I'm just confused about why no one likes the only leave solution that doesn't violate international law. Is it because the people were lied to? | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain
Probably only remainers will vote
So that will make it 1-1
Or is it best of 3-5-7-9
Nothing Democratic about it
Just maybe if the remainers had accepted that they lost the referendum and accepted the result we might of been out of the eu with a good deal now
It's not undemocratic to resort to more democracy.
when do you stop?? best of 5?
Democracy never stops when it does it's called a dictatorship.., "That is right | |||
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" Just maybe if the remainers had accepted that they lost the referendum and accepted the result we might of been out of the eu with a good deal now " We’d have left the EU on March 29 were it not for the militant wing of the Conservative Party who kept blocking the exit door. | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain
Probably only remainers will vote
So that will make it 1-1
Or is it best of 3-5-7-9
Nothing Democratic about it
Just maybe if the remainers had accepted that they lost the referendum and accepted the result we might of been out of the eu with a good deal now
"Whoah hold on a second? It's the fault of the remainers that there's a bad deal? Where is the blame on the leavers who all fucked off the morning of the result because they shit themselves when leave won? Do you portion any blame onto Boris, Gove et al for not wanting to step up to the plate to give leavers the unicorn deal that they wanted? They've allowed May to whittle down the hours on the clock rather than stepping up to the mantel. They have betrayed the vote more than anybody because they promised you a good deal and a smooth transition but they didn't want to be there to deliver it. Why is that? Surely if it was conceivable we'd now have left and Boris would have been hailed the greatest PM we ever had? He's laughing at you along with the rest of them. Time's up and guess what? They're slowly coming back out of the woodwork. May's useless but she stayed. Corbyn's not much better but he stuck around too. Even farage fled the morning of the result. Leavers have very short memories. | |||
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"If the politicians dont like the vote they change the electorate until they get the answer the politicians want... Ask Ireland how often they have to vote until they get the "right" answer " Ireland only ever voted twice on one treaty, after clarification and guarantees was given about one clause. There are good arguments for and against Brexit, but as a non British subject following this from outside, I can't help seeing a comparison between Theresa May and a Fab member posting an 'I'm Leaving' thread. The thread goes on for ages, some other members post wishing her luck. Some post 'why don't you just hide your profile and take a break' and most post 'she's still here'. Maybe the answer is to leave, see how it goes and if you find you miss it, then have a referendum to change username and rejoin.  | |||
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"We had a referendum the vote was out end of we leave no pandering to the blubbers who didn't like it. " ?? | |||
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" Just maybe if the remainers had accepted that they lost the referendum and accepted the result we might of been out of the eu with a good deal now We’d have left the EU on March 29 were it not for the militant wing of the Conservative Party who kept blocking the exit door." Indeed. That's the most hilarious thing. We would be out of the EU now if the most fervent brexiteer mps had voted for it. | |||
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" Just maybe if the remainers had accepted that they lost the referendum and accepted the result we might of been out of the eu with a good deal now" You should never accept something you beleive is wrong, there will never been a good deal, until brexiters understand it the better, it is about to not to get the worst deal. | |||
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"We had a referendum the vote was out end of we leave no pandering to the blubbers who didn't like it. " It was out, you're correct. Now please tell us how to leave the EU without violating the Good Friday Agreement. | |||
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"What if there is another remain or leave referendum. Will May stand up in public and give the same speech that Cameron gave? What if leave won again? What if the EU says sorry, we will not wait for another referendum in case it's still a leave situation." It like when two people on fabs have been chatting for ages, really got on and gone into great detail about what will happen when they meet up. They finally do meet and they don't fancy each other but both are too embarrassed and think they have said too much to back off. So they go from drink to dinner to snog to grope, both of them hating it more and more. They then go back to their pre booked hotel room and get undressed utterly miserable and are just about to get down to the sex... At that point one could say "look this isn't working, let's go home" and the other one would be immensely grateful. The second referendum is just like that and would bring to an end this joyless fuck we've been going through for three years. | |||
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"The result of another referendum will surely cause even more division and my understaning is leave or no deal will not be on the ballot paper... Parliament overwhelmingly want to remain. As for previous comments about remainers not rioting, it is the remainers who are creating the divisions through not accepting the original public vote." Hang on fella it's the brexiters in parliament that have prevented it happening.You might need to google ERG.Its the brexit extremists you need to blame... | |||
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"So when this eventually happens will you vote again and would you change your vote from your first, I wouldn't vote again " I agree with what Jacob Rees Mogg said. Two votes is inherently sensible. First one for the concept and then another one later once the details had been confirmed. | |||
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"I honestly think that the people should have more of a say in what happens not just a select few in parliament... If all parties could cooperate to sort something out and just be one big party, then let the people decide what's best. . .. I think things would of been dealt with by now. " You know that we have a say by electing those "select few", right? And I'm not sure I ever want to live in a one-party state!! | |||
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" Indeed. That's the most hilarious thing. We would be out of the EU now if the most fervent brexiteer mps had voted for it. " I'm beginning to think that there's a genuine fear of leaving from the most extreme Brexiters. Once out, what's left for them? They know they can no longer blame the EU for everything, and people will find most of their rhetoric to be hollow. Almost better to be in so they can remain 'glorious warriors' against Brussels without ever having to do anything about it. Either that or they'll move on to the betrayal narrative, which never ends well, for anyone... | |||
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"I don't want to be poorer. I don't want my business to go bust. I don't want my children to have less opportunity than I did. So I'll be voting Remain again. Anyone who still wants to leave wants their head looking at... Not one has been able to give me a good reason to leave, and I've asked literally hundreds of the naive, ill-informed or racist fools." Again a remainer turning things nasty
Think showing a little naivety in thinking we all racist and ill-informed. We just not sheep 
I want to keep my business in healthy profits still. I want my children to have more amazing oppurtunities. I want the world open to us all. Thats why voted to leave | |||
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"A second referendum is basically a guaranteed Remain , no matter what !!" Well then we would have to have another referendum best of three lol | |||
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"A second referendum is basically a guaranteed Remain , no matter what !! Well then we would have to have another referendum best of three lol " There’s already been two. I’m not in favour of another referendum but some of the arguments against it are mental. How can having more democracy be anti-democratic? | |||
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"I don't want to be poorer. I don't want my business to go bust. I don't want my children to have less opportunity than I did. So I'll be voting Remain again. Anyone who still wants to leave wants their head looking at... Not one has been able to give me a good reason to leave, and I've asked literally hundreds of the naive, ill-informed or racist fools. Again a remainer turning things nasty
Think showing a little naivety in thinking we all racist and ill-informed. We just not sheep
I want to keep my business in healthy profits still. I want my children to have more amazing oppurtunities. I want the world open to us all. Thats why voted to leave "This post is bonkers. Why do you want to isolate the uk, make us poor, hand all he wealth to an ever decreasing few. And have a profitable business and open the world up to us all? Those things are mutually exclusive. | |||
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"We had a referendum the vote was out end of we leave no pandering to the blubbers who didn't like it. " Oh you said 'end of'. Well that's that then. | |||
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"Wealth to an ever decreasing few? Who are they? And will remaining in the EU mean the wealth will be shared between an ever increasing....loads of people? " Rees Mogg, Aaron Banks etc. These are the few individuals who will benefit from Brexit at the expense of the rest of us. Not sure I understand the second part of the question, remaining in the E.U. would have kept the uk relatively* fair society, and keeps the power out of the hands of a few individuals. * I say “relatively”, because we need to make things better, reduce austerity, provide more opportunities to people etc. Basically the opposite of what Brexit is bringing. | |||
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" Indeed. That's the most hilarious thing. We would be out of the EU now if the most fervent brexiteer mps had voted for it. I'm beginning to think that there's a genuine fear of leaving from the most extreme Brexiters. Once out, what's left for them? They know they can no longer blame the EU for everything, and people will find most of their rhetoric to be hollow. Almost better to be in so they can remain 'glorious warriors' against Brussels without ever having to do anything about it. Either that or they'll move on to the betrayal narrative, which never ends well, for anyone..." What’s left after Brexit for the extreme brexiteers. This is the right question to be asking. If they get the most severe damaging Brexit possible, then this is where their fun begins. They can start removing the red tape of environmental protection, of workers rights etc. So their businesses can further exploit people and the environment. Those who wish to leave to avoid paying their taxes, and to play currency markets, such as Rees Mogg, Brexit is the end game for them, they can retire and live like kings. | |||
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"Vote remain to keep Reece Mogg in the poor house!!! Worrying about what Reece Mogg will earn post brexit is not really worth worrying about. The majority of 'the wealth' is owned by oil, drug and weapons companies....not to mention the banks. They won't feel a thing financially if brexit happens or not....one thing is for sure though....if the whole lot is cancelled then folks Europe wide will still have all their personal problems whatever they may be..." Not worried specifically about Rees Mogg. I was answering your direct question. | |||
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"I didn't vote but not cause didn't, if I had a chance, I would vote leave but on uk terms not what the eu want and remove the backstop " This is why I’m against another referendum. I maintain that we don’t know anything now, that we didn’t know clearly before the referendum. People chose to believe their own personal “truths” and will vote against their own interests regardless. | |||
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"Well you did and usually do single him out and mention his name when commenting on how rich he'll get if/when leave kicks in....something about moving finances abroad most recently...." I mention him because this topic keeps coming up. It’s a clear example of how the few people who orchestrated Brexit will benefit personally. We all know that it’s shit for the rest of us. | |||
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"I didn't vote but not cause didn't, if I had a chance, I would vote leave but on uk terms not what the eu want and remove the backstop " We have been trying to leave on UK terms for 2 years, the backstop is there to stop the UK breaking up and failing the Good Friday Agreement. It is not simple, that is why the Tories cocked up. Giving them another go won’t make it any better! | |||
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"I didn't vote but not cause didn't, if I had a chance, I would vote leave but on uk terms not what the eu want and remove the backstop " It will never be on uk terms, uk is leaving a club that have rules. | |||
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"This why stay out of politics forum. Full of scaremongers and doom and gloom lol. Our country is going to be absolutly fine when we come out. Life will go on as normal. There is not going to be a second referendum. We voted to leave and will happen in one way or another. Remainers will always slag of the leavers calling us racist, uneducated etc,as has been shown when they no nothing about the majority that voted to leave. Should focus energy in a more positive way rather than ranting behind keyboards that the world going to end "In fairness we’ve asked lots of times why people voted leave, specifically what benefits there are for the uk. No one has been able to give an answer that wasn’t proven wrong in five minutes with data, evidence and links to demonstrate the data. Surely you can understand our frustration that the country is being flushed down the bog and no one can even be arsed to give a solid reason why. | |||
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"This why stay out of politics forum. Full of scaremongers and doom and gloom lol. Our country is going to be absolutly fine when we come out. Life will go on as normal. There is not going to be a second referendum. We voted to leave and will happen in one way or another. Remainers will always slag of the leavers calling us racist, uneducated etc,as has been shown when they no nothing about the majority that voted to leave. Should focus energy in a more positive way rather than ranting behind keyboards that the world going to end "Meanwhile on fantasy island.. | |||
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"We had a referendum the vote was out end of we leave no pandering to the blubbers who didn't like it. It was out, you're correct. Now please tell us how to leave the EU without violating the Good Friday Agreement. " A brexiter dont respect northern ireland and the good friday agreement, the peace process will be in jeopardy, lets hope there will be justice and they can stay in eu, this will be no doubt be the end of the union | |||
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"This why stay out of politics forum. Full of scaremongers and doom and gloom lol. Our country is going to be absolutly fine when we come out. Life will go on as normal. There is not going to be a second referendum. We voted to leave and will happen in one way or another. Remainers will always slag of the leavers calling us racist, uneducated etc,as has been shown when they no nothing about the majority that voted to leave. Should focus energy in a more positive way rather than ranting behind keyboards that the world going to end "Ahh c'mon now...engage! It's not as if things will change or be influenced by what some random bloke/blokette says on an internet fuck site! Personally i'm hoping for a backstop for ever. Ulster folk like me can have the best of both worlds...one foot on Euroland one foot in Britainland.... NI will become a powerhouse I tell ya!!! | |||
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"I would vote leave but on uk terms not what the eu want and remove the backstop " What terms are those? What are the UK's terms for upholding the Belfast Agreement. The question was asked in 2016. No-one had an answer then. Perhaps you do now? | |||
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" Meanwhile on fantasy island.. can spot a remainer miles away. Can never me nice to the other side "Sorry if you want a hug the lounge is the place for you.. | |||
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"never seen the bus adverts and do not really use social media. How did it sway us? That normal remainer argument it getting boring now." Advert saying 50 billion would be given to the NHS from brexit. Well done on not seeing it????? You're joking about how it swayed people? Everyone knows mass social media manipulation took place. A company was paid millions to sift through everyones social media info and personally direct adverts at them. Some would see pictures of migrants, some pictures of nhs, some neither but made up facts on business. Everyone knows this. You researched it before you voted and voted leave? So you were fully aware of the northern Ireland issue and voted leave? SO you accepted northern Ireland would have to enter a seperate customs agreement to honour the GFA? So why are leavers pushing the government to do a no deal brexit and not do the backstop? You should be aware due to your research that America will demand a backstop for the north too or there will be no american trade deal? | |||
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"You've asked "hundreds" have you?? I very much doubt you're telling the truth
Yes, hundreds... It's the main topic of conversation with my customers and people I work with... I come into contact with dozens every week, so it's not really a huge stretch to work out that over the course of 3 years, I've discussed Brexit with hundreds of people. "How many of them did you say were "racist fools" to their face!? None I bet!  | |||
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"never seen the bus adverts and do not really use social media. How did it sway us? That normal remainer argument it getting boring now. Advert saying 50 billion would be given to the NHS from brexit. Well done on not seeing it????? You're joking about how it swayed people? Everyone knows mass social media manipulation took place. A company was paid millions to sift through everyones social media info and personally direct adverts at them. Some would see pictures of migrants, some pictures of nhs, some neither but made up facts on business. Everyone knows this. You researched it before you voted and voted leave? So you were fully aware of the northern Ireland issue and voted leave? SO you accepted northern Ireland would have to enter a seperate customs agreement to honour the GFA? So why are leavers pushing the government to do a no deal brexit and not do the backstop? You should be aware due to your research that America will demand a backstop for the north too or there will be no american trade deal?" Do not really pay attention to adverts tell the truth so no never seen. Do i have all the answers?. Of course not. Same as you. I made an educated decision when voted same as always do. You can google the answers to your questions save me writing an essay. Can you answer why everyone who voted leave a racist? Uneducated? I can google facts and figures, regions blah da blah can find nothing to justify that statement. Or you just getting on your high horse behind a keyboard? | |||
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"never seen the bus adverts and do not really use social media. How did it sway us? That normal remainer argument it getting boring now. Advert saying 50 billion would be given to the NHS from brexit. Well done on not seeing it????? You're joking about how it swayed people? Everyone knows mass social media manipulation took place. A company was paid millions to sift through everyones social media info and personally direct adverts at them. Some would see pictures of migrants, some pictures of nhs, some neither but made up facts on business. Everyone knows this. You researched it before you voted and voted leave? So you were fully aware of the northern Ireland issue and voted leave? SO you accepted northern Ireland would have to enter a seperate customs agreement to honour the GFA? So why are leavers pushing the government to do a no deal brexit and not do the backstop? You should be aware due to your research that America will demand a backstop for the north too or there will be no american trade deal? Do not really pay attention to adverts tell the truth so no never seen. Do i have all the answers?. Of course not. Same as you. I made an educated decision when voted same as always do. You can google the answers to your questions save me writing an essay. Can you answer why everyone who voted leave a racist? Uneducated? I can google facts and figures, regions blah da blah can find nothing to justify that statement. Or you just getting on your high horse behind a keyboard?" I am pretty sure you can also see on Google that pretty much every Leave argument is based on a lie, so a 2nd Referendum would give you a chance to revise your decision based on the truth for a change. I’m not blaming you, the lie’swere persuasive (& well funded), so on the face of it Leaving could have been a good idea - sadly none of the promises could be delivered... | |||
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"A second referendum is basically a guaranteed Remain , no matter what !! Well then we would have to have another referendum best of three lol There’s already been two. I’m not in favour of another referendum but some of the arguments against it are mental. How can having more democracy be anti-democratic? " The question of how can having more democracy be anti-democracy is facile. If you ask a question over and over again until you get the answer you want you aren't practicing democracy, you are simply rubber stamping your dictat. Now, ultimately if this were a question where the situation could be variable and say we changed in or out every year and the was a vote each year, that would be democracy (though clearly not applicable here) Or what could be more applicable here is if we said in 10 years time having been out for a decade "Do you want to go back in" that would also be democracy. But we keep talking about how "the facts have changed" as a reason for a second referendum. The facts haven't changed. This bullshit was always going to be how it went down, it was obvious from the start. | |||
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"Do not really pay attention to adverts tell the truth so no never seen. Do i have all the answers?. Of course not. Same as you. I made an educated decision when voted same as always do. You can google the answers to your questions save me writing an essay. Can you answer why everyone who voted leave a racist? Uneducated? I can google facts and figures, regions blah da blah can find nothing to justify that statement. Or you just getting on your high horse behind a keyboard?" They call leavers racist because of adverts you claim not to have seen? the adverts showing long queues of migrants trying to get into the UK, showing how they needed to keep them out? To quote an independent review of the adverts after facebook handed them over. "with the official Vote Leave campaign especially deploying direct dogwhistle racism to stir up fear among voters about foreigners coming to the UK if it can’t control its own border or if the EU expands to add more countries" The turkey/albania adverts. | |||
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"Do not really pay attention to adverts tell the truth so no never seen. Do i have all the answers?. Of course not. Same as you. I made an educated decision when voted same as always do. You can google the answers to your questions save me writing an essay. Can you answer why everyone who voted leave a racist? Uneducated? I can google facts and figures, regions blah da blah can find nothing to justify that statement. Or you just getting on your high horse behind a keyboard? They call leavers racist because of adverts you claim not to have seen? the adverts showing long queues of migrants trying to get into the UK, showing how they needed to keep them out? To quote an independent review of the adverts after facebook handed them over. "with the official Vote Leave campaign especially deploying direct dogwhistle racism to stir up fear among voters about foreigners coming to the UK if it can’t control its own border or if the EU expands to add more countries" The turkey/albania adverts." I dont do facebook
You say they. Why are YOU calling names? you think all are Or believe everything you read?
You calling me a racist because i voted leave? according to YOUR statement i am.
If i was inclined to be upset by bullies behind a keyboard would be deeply offended
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"You've asked "hundreds" have you?? I very much doubt you're telling the truth
Yes, hundreds... It's the main topic of conversation with my customers and people I work with... I come into contact with dozens every week, so it's not really a huge stretch to work out that over the course of 3 years, I've discussed Brexit with hundreds of people.
How many of them did you say were "racist fools" to their face!? None I bet! "Remainers do tend to be cowardly, hiding behind a keyboard types. Their main arguments seem to be insults, misinformation and calling all leavers racist. They aren't the sort of people that should have a vote, let alone a voice | |||
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"As the binary decision leave/remain has already been made, surely the only questions for a second referendum should involve a choice between the options involved in leaving?" This male | |||
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" Meanwhile on fantasy island.. can spot a remainer miles away. Can never me nice to the other side
Sorry if you want a hug the lounge is the place for you.. "Hugs are good
Think thats where this thread started and got moved. NEVER come into politics thread of own violition. Looked once and was all negative
But dont worry about us. The nasty messages get for daring to say we want to be out of the eu makes us feel better about ourselves shows some if the real characteristics of a lot of remainers once they behind a keyboard. (Reminds of the crazy lady in simpsons who throws cats at everyone ) | |||
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"You've asked "hundreds" have you?? I very much doubt you're telling the truth
Yes, hundreds... It's the main topic of conversation with my customers and people I work with... I come into contact with dozens every week, so it's not really a huge stretch to work out that over the course of 3 years, I've discussed Brexit with hundreds of people.
How many of them did you say were "racist fools" to their face!? None I bet!
Remainers do tend to be cowardly, hiding behind a keyboard types. Their main arguments seem to be insults, misinformation and calling all leavers racist. They aren't the sort of people that should have a vote, let alone a voice "& the irony of your statement passes you by? | |||
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"Will that set a precedence for all future votes? Do not like the outcome. Lets have another
Don’t like the result of the fa cup final? Ok let’s have another go "Most clubs, except for the one that actually wins, don't like the result of the FA Cup final and they all have another go the next year. Not really a very good analogy, is it? | |||
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"You've asked "hundreds" have you?? I very much doubt you're telling the truth
Yes, hundreds... It's the main topic of conversation with my customers and people I work with... I come into contact with dozens every week, so it's not really a huge stretch to work out that over the course of 3 years, I've discussed Brexit with hundreds of people.
How many of them did you say were "racist fools" to their face!? None I bet!
Remainers do tend to be cowardly, hiding behind a keyboard types. Their main arguments seem to be insults, misinformation and calling all leavers racist. They aren't the sort of people that should have a vote, let alone a voice
& the irony of your statement passes you by?"All the racist comments I've ever had on here have been from remainers hiding behind their keyboards. If I was as childish as them, I'd have reported them but I'm just not that low. Are you going to get some in too? You'd be no different from your buddies | |||
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"You've asked "hundreds" have you?? I very much doubt you're telling the truth
Yes, hundreds... It's the main topic of conversation with my customers and people I work with... I come into contact with dozens every week, so it's not really a huge stretch to work out that over the course of 3 years, I've discussed Brexit with hundreds of people.
How many of them did you say were "racist fools" to their face!? None I bet!
Remainers do tend to be cowardly, hiding behind a keyboard types. Their main arguments seem to be insults, misinformation and calling all leavers racist. They aren't the sort of people that should have a vote, let alone a voice
& the irony of your statement passes you by?
All the racist comments I've ever had on here have been from remainers hiding behind their keyboards. If I was as childish as them, I'd have reported them but I'm just not that low. Are you going to get some in too? You'd be no different from your buddies "I don’t know you, so I can’t comment. My experience is that Remainers are fact based and Leavers are hope based. Nothing wrong with that other than this hope is based on romantic notions of Britains past and lie’s from Brexit leaders. | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain
Probably only remainers will vote
So that will make it 1-1
Or is it best of 3-5-7-9
Nothing Democratic about it
Just maybe if the remainers had accepted that they lost the referendum and accepted the result we might of been out of the eu with a good deal now
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain
Probably only remainers will vote
So that will make it 1-1
Or is it best of 3-5-7-9
Nothing Democratic about it
Just maybe if the remainers had accepted that they lost the referendum and accepted the result we might of been out of the eu with a good deal now
Actually 2-1 you forgot about the 1973 vote to join the EEC.. "1975 actually, and it was Leave or Remain not whether to join or not. Remain won with 67%. So the actual score is 1 - 1, with Remain ahead of percentage difference. | |||
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Yes, hundreds... It's the main topic of conversation with my customers and people I work with... I come into contact with dozens every week, so it's not really a huge stretch to work out that over the course of 3 years, I've discussed Brexit with hundreds of people.
How many of them did you say were "racist fools" to their face!? None I bet!
Remainers do tend to be cowardly, hiding behind a keyboard types. Their main arguments seem to be insults, misinformation and calling all leavers racist. They aren't the sort of people that should have a vote, let alone a voice "Blimey, the anger and confusion is strong with you. Don’t you see any irony in your comments? Remainers use facts and information. So far I haven’t heard any facts or information in favour of Brexit. Just “opinions” and “belief”. Leavers have been challenged countless times to provide 1 single simple benefit to the uk from leaving the E.U. thus far no one has been able to give a single benefit. Not one, nothing. Any remainer could give you some very simple factual disadvantages of leaving. | |||
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"You've asked "hundreds" have you?? I very much doubt you're telling the truth
Yes, hundreds... It's the main topic of conversation with my customers and people I work with... I come into contact with dozens every week, so it's not really a huge stretch to work out that over the course of 3 years, I've discussed Brexit with hundreds of people.
How many of them did you say were "racist fools" to their face!? None I bet!
Remainers do tend to be cowardly, hiding behind a keyboard types. Their main arguments seem to be insults, misinformation and calling all leavers racist. They aren't the sort of people that should have a vote, let alone a voice
Blimey, the anger and confusion is strong with you.
Don’t you see any irony in your comments? Remainers use facts and information. So far I haven’t heard any facts or information in favour of Brexit. Just “opinions” and “belief”.
Leavers have been challenged countless times to provide 1 single simple benefit to the uk from leaving the E.U. thus far no one has been able to give a single benefit. Not one, nothing.
Any remainer could give you some very simple factual disadvantages of leaving. "do not think there is any confusion. Sure we all adults and can google facts. There are pros and cons to both sides and we all voted how we wanted. I think the confusion is remainers demanding a second vote because did not win . When younger, called those people sore losers. | |||
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"You've asked "hundreds" have you?? I very much doubt you're telling the truth
Yes, hundreds... It's the main topic of conversation with my customers and people I work with... I come into contact with dozens every week, so it's not really a huge stretch to work out that over the course of 3 years, I've discussed Brexit with hundreds of people.
How many of them did you say were "racist fools" to their face!? None I bet!
Remainers do tend to be cowardly, hiding behind a keyboard types. Their main arguments seem to be insults, misinformation and calling all leavers racist. They aren't the sort of people that should have a vote, let alone a voice
Blimey, the anger and confusion is strong with you.
Don’t you see any irony in your comments? Remainers use facts and information. So far I haven’t heard any facts or information in favour of Brexit. Just “opinions” and “belief”.
Leavers have been challenged countless times to provide 1 single simple benefit to the uk from leaving the E.U. thus far no one has been able to give a single benefit. Not one, nothing.
Any remainer could give you some very simple factual disadvantages of leaving. do not think there is any confusion. Sure we all adults and can google facts. There are pros and cons to both sides and we all voted how we wanted.
I think the confusion is remainers demanding a second vote because did not win . When younger, called those people sore losers. "So Farage saying that if Leave lost 52:48 doesn’t rankle with you then? The issue is that too few people voted for this mess, so quite rightly the rest of us question it! | |||
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"That’s ok then maybe we should cancel all voting as we have a government so we don’t need a new one
After all we all made the choice the last time and should suck it up now "Don't you know democracy stopped in 2016 we aren't allowed to vote anymore according to the brexiters... | |||
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" Indeed. That's the most hilarious thing. We would be out of the EU now if the most fervent brexiteer mps had voted for it. I'm beginning to think that there's a genuine fear of leaving from the most extreme Brexiters. Once out, what's left for them? They know they can no longer blame the EU for everything, and people will find most of their rhetoric to be hollow. Almost better to be in so they can remain 'glorious warriors' against Brussels without ever having to do anything about it. Either that or they'll move on to the betrayal narrative, which never ends well, for anyone... What’s left after Brexit for the extreme brexiteers. This is the right question to be asking. If they get the most severe damaging Brexit possible, then this is where their fun begins. They can start removing the red tape of environmental protection, of workers rights etc. So their businesses can further exploit people and the environment. Those who wish to leave to avoid paying their taxes, and to play currency markets, such as Rees Mogg, Brexit is the end game for them, they can retire and live like kings." Yes, quite. I agree. I was thinking more of what's left of their political raison d'etre - there will be no Brussels bogey-man to rail against/hide behind. A severe Brexit will cause huge harm to many people. Of course, Rees Mogg et al will be fine, but you have to hope their less well-off followers will quickly see them for the charlatans they are... | |||
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"Will that set a precedence for all future votes? Do not like the outcome. Lets have another
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"Will that set a precedence for all future votes? Do not like the outcome. Lets have another
This is my feeling too
My concern as well "Like regular general elections you mean? Should we just have an autocracy then? | |||
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"Will that set a precedence for all future votes? Do not like the outcome. Lets have another
This is my feeling too
My concern as well
Like regular general elections you mean? Should we just have an autocracy then?"When has a regular general election been done twice because the losers didn't like the results? | |||
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"Will that set a precedence for all future votes? Do not like the outcome. Lets have another
This is my feeling too
My concern as well
Like regular general elections you mean? Should we just have an autocracy then?
When has a regular general election been done twice because the losers didn't like the results? "It is 3 years since we were last lied to for the Referendum, since then the Tories won a General Election, but lost their majority and had to bribe the DUP to support them. So quite recently really | |||
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"You've asked "hundreds" have you?? I very much doubt you're telling the truth
Yes, hundreds... It's the main topic of conversation with my customers and people I work with... I come into contact with dozens every week, so it's not really a huge stretch to work out that over the course of 3 years, I've discussed Brexit with hundreds of people.
How many of them did you say were "racist fools" to their face!? None I bet!
Remainers do tend to be cowardly, hiding behind a keyboard types. Their main arguments seem to be insults, misinformation and calling all leavers racist. They aren't the sort of people that should have a vote, let alone a voice
Blimey, the anger and confusion is strong with you.
Don’t you see any irony in your comments? Remainers use facts and information. So far I haven’t heard any facts or information in favour of Brexit. Just “opinions” and “belief”.
Leavers have been challenged countless times to provide 1 single simple benefit to the uk from leaving the E.U. thus far no one has been able to give a single benefit. Not one, nothing.
Any remainer could give you some very simple factual disadvantages of leaving. do not think there is any confusion. Sure we all adults and can google facts. There are pros and cons to both sides and we all voted how we wanted.
I think the confusion is remainers demanding a second vote because did not win . When younger, called those people sore losers. "I'm not in favour of another referendum. If there is one thing we've learned from all this bullshit is that people are too easily persuaded to vote against their own interests and cant be trusted to understand the implications of such complex issues. | |||
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"When has a regular general election been done twice because the losers didn't like the results?
It is 3 years since we were last lied to for the Referendum, since then the Tories won a General Election, but lost their majority and had to bribe the DUP to support them. So quite recently really "I fear you misunderstand this difference between calling another general election and re-voting on the same topic twice because the losers are crying
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"When has a regular general election been done twice because the losers didn't like the results?
It is 3 years since we were last lied to for the Referendum, since then the Tories won a General Election, but lost their majority and had to bribe the DUP to support them. So quite recently really
I fear you misunderstand this difference between calling another general election and re-voting on the same topic twice because the losers are crying
Don't worry I'm leaving..."Where are you off to? It is quite likely the rest of us aren’t going anywhere. | |||
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"Will that set a precedence for all future votes? Do not like the outcome. Lets have another
This is my feeling too
My concern as well
Like regular general elections you mean? Should we just have an autocracy then?
When has a regular general election been done twice because the losers didn't like the results? "All of us are losers, only a few individuals who orchestrated Brexit are winners. | |||
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"I reckon it will happen in a month or two, it is democratic and I reckon there would be a more turn out this time supporting remain
id say its undemocratic to have another vote??I agree one hundred percent and also very undemocratic of parliament to oppose the democratic vote as they are doing"Parliament aren't opposing the vote. The problem isn't some massive conspiracy of "us and them" it's the exact opposite in that no-one agrees on anything. Which is exactly what leavers were told would happen. Which was just dismissed as Project Fear. You made this. Own it. | |||
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"You've asked "hundreds" have you?? I very much doubt you're telling the truth
Yes, hundreds... It's the main topic of conversation with my customers and people I work with... I come into contact with dozens every week, so it's not really a huge stretch to work out that over the course of 3 years, I've discussed Brexit with hundreds of people.
How many of them did you say were "racist fools" to their face!? None I bet!
Remainers do tend to be cowardly, hiding behind a keyboard types. Their main arguments seem to be insults, misinformation and calling all leavers racist. They aren't the sort of people that should have a vote, let alone a voice
Blimey, the anger and confusion is strong with you.
Don’t you see any irony in your comments? Remainers use facts and information. So far I haven’t heard any facts or information in favour of Brexit. Just “opinions” and “belief”.
Leavers have been challenged countless times to provide 1 single simple benefit to the uk from leaving the E.U. thus far no one has been able to give a single benefit. Not one, nothing.
Any remainer could give you some very simple factual disadvantages of leaving. do not think there is any confusion. Sure we all adults and can google facts. There are pros and cons to both sides and we all voted how we wanted.
I think the confusion is remainers demanding a second vote because did not win . When younger, called those people sore losers. "I bet you can't name one pro of Brexit that isn't a myth that's already been shown to be false. | |||
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"Will that set a precedence for all future votes? Do not like the outcome. Lets have another
Don’t like the result of the fa cup final? Ok let’s have another go
Most clubs, except for the one that actually wins, don't like the result of the FA Cup final and they all have another go the next year. Not really a very good analogy, is it?
"Well it works actually. Since we havent actually HAD brexit and your side is doing its very best to prevent the outcome of a democratic vote the analogy would be best expressed as you being 2-0 down at full time and then demanding everyone get back on the pitch before the winner could lift the trophy so that you can go again and have a chance to win this time. I dont have a problem with a referendum some time down the line after we have been out a while to determine whether people would like to rejoin. If thats what people want, goody gumdrops, thats democracy. Trying to reverse a decision before you have even implemented their first instruction, thats not. | |||
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"Will that set a precedence for all future votes? Do not like the outcome. Lets have another
Don’t like the result of the fa cup final? Ok let’s have another go
Most clubs, except for the one that actually wins, don't like the result of the FA Cup final and they all have another go the next year. Not really a very good analogy, is it?
Well it works actually. Since we havent actually HAD brexit and your side is doing its very best to prevent the outcome of a democratic vote the analogy would be best expressed as you being 2-0 down at full time and then demanding everyone get back on the pitch before the winner could lift the trophy so that you can go again and have a chance to win this time.
I dont have a problem with a referendum some time down the line after we have been out a while to determine whether people would like to rejoin. If thats what people want, goody gumdrops, thats democracy.
Trying to reverse a decision before you have even implemented their first instruction, thats not. "We don't need to try Brexit to know it's a massive bag of shit. Even the least damaging Brexit still had a massive negative impact on the environment, workers rights, the economy, austerity etc. | |||
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"Will that set a precedence for all future votes? Do not like the outcome. Lets have another
Don’t like the result of the fa cup final? Ok let’s have another go
Most clubs, except for the one that actually wins, don't like the result of the FA Cup final and they all have another go the next year. Not really a very good analogy, is it?
Well it works actually. Since we havent actually HAD brexit and your side is doing its very best to prevent the outcome of a democratic vote the analogy would be best expressed as you being 2-0 down at full time and then demanding everyone get back on the pitch before the winner could lift the trophy so that you can go again and have a chance to win this time.
I dont have a problem with a referendum some time down the line after we have been out a while to determine whether people would like to rejoin. If thats what people want, goody gumdrops, thats democracy.
Trying to reverse a decision before you have even implemented their first instruction, thats not. "So you have a bet on a horse in the Grand National and it wins, fantastic, elation and then you here the horse was doped and the result is overturned. What do you do, accept it or riot in the streets? Brexit was a con and nobody can argue about that. | |||
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