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By *istressdandsubt OP Couple over a year ago

caterham

Do all remainers, think that all brexiters are racist ,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No just some

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No. A small minority are.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No, some people actually voted out for economic reasons would u believe!

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple over a year ago

Cumbria

"Do all remainers, think that all brexiters are racist ,

Very closed-minded statement there is many racist who want to remain as who want to leave..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Throwing the cat amongst the pidgeons here...but then aren't some remain voters also racist?

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple over a year ago

Cumbria

"Throwing the cat amongst the pidgeons here...but then aren't some remain voters also racist?

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By *mokes n MirrorsCouple over a year ago

Plymouth and Newcastle (sometimes)

We voted to leave but seeing as we've fucked people from seven different countries I very much doubt it was racism that made us do it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I voted to leave and im lusting after the young polish guys across the road.. theres 3 of them..

am i racist or nationalityist?? If thats even a word??

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By *hrisUB3Man over a year ago

Heathrow

Of course all of us leavers are racists, we are all stupid and old too!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No, there was black Asian and white people who voted leave I doubt all of them are racist

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By *adame 2SwordsWoman over a year ago

Victoria, London

Thick!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No, some people actually voted out for economic reasons would u believe!

Indeed they did

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do all remainers, think that all brexiters are racist ,

Of course not. Most people aren’t racist.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"Of course all of us leavers are racists, we are all stupid and old too!

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Most of us know your being sarcastic but a few remoaners will believe this lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not a good question OP. I think thats like asking if all Germans were Nazis during the second world war. Some were, some went along with it for convenience and some fought against it....hang on a minute that sounds familiar!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do all remainers, think that all brexiters are racist ,

Nope , the vast majority are not racist , however most racists voted to leave

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By *uck-RogersMan over a year ago

Tarka trail

The B.A pilot that flew to Scotland, instead of Germany, Must have been a remoaner.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The B.A pilot that flew to Scotland, instead of Germany, Must have been a remoaner."

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By *rSinCityMan over a year ago

London

Not all brexiteers are racist, but all racists are brexiteers

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By *istressdandsubt OP Couple over a year ago

caterham

The reason I asked was when asked how I voted I stated I didn't want to be governed from Brussels and dont want to be part of a EU as I dont think it benefits the UK as being in benefits others and was called a racist

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By *un4allxMan over a year ago

Altarnun

"The reason I asked was when asked how I voted I stated I didn't want to be governed from Brussels and dont want to be part of a EU as I dont think it benefits the UK as being in benefits others and was called a racist"

It’s all they can think of, when they’ve exhausted their supply of hate and abuse. No your not racist.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

No of course we don't, but the fact is when you are part of a divisive or easily identifiable group you will be portrayed as, and judged by the actions of the worst in that group. This is the same for all of us regardless of what sort of group we are identified with.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well that’s just silly, there’s clearly no evidence here to suggest you’re racist. Ignorant yes, but nothing more than that.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

Well that’s just silly, there’s clearly no evidence here to suggest you’re racist. Ignorant yes, but nothing more than that. "

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By *laytimenowMan over a year ago

Essex

The trouble with Leave was it was Hijacked by Racist/ Bigoted Groups to benefit there own propaganda

While normal honest people who had well reasoned views were over run by the so called powerful groups.

Nothing wrong being a Leaver,

As a Remainer , i have once moaned ( well not much, ok just a bit , well actually every minute of everyday)

But we are also not loony lefties or snowflakes.

The problem was that parliament gave us a vote that we were not entitled to make without the full facts from both sides , which none of us got.

There is a great youtube clip

From auf wiedersen pet titled democracy.

Everybody gets what nobody wants .

https://youtu.be/uet4f3QwRQw

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

"Do all remainers, think that all brexiters are racist ,

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you need to be v careful here. Not the best of questions. We are not all racist. Maybe some are but I reckon some remainers are, as well. You are barking up the wrong tree

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

"Not all brexiteers are racist, but all racists are brexiteers

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think again boyo

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not all brexiteers are racist, but all racists are brexiteers

think again boyo "

Do you have any evidence for this? There was no propaganda on the remain side that targeted racists, and yet the leave side was full of it. What would a racist see as an advantage to remaining?

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

"Not all brexiteers are racist, but all racists are brexiteers

think again boyo

Do you have any evidence for this? There was no propaganda on the remain side that targeted racists, and yet the leave side was full of it. What would a racist see as an advantage to remaining?

Unless their fear of losing rights, their fear of more austerity and of living in a backwards county was greater than their fear of brown foreigners. But they’re not known for their logical well thought through view points now are they!"
I don't think for one minute that is correct. You know it a d I know it. As usual the remain side looking for ways to hurl abuse at brexiteers. Says a lot that doesn't it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not all brexiteers are racist, but all racists are brexiteers

think again boyo

Do you have any evidence for this? There was no propaganda on the remain side that targeted racists, and yet the leave side was full of it. What would a racist see as an advantage to remaining?

Unless their fear of losing rights, their fear of more austerity and of living in a backwards county was greater than their fear of brown foreigners. But they’re not known for their logical well thought through view points now are they!I don't think for one minute that is correct. You know it a d I know it. As usual the remain side looking for ways to hurl abuse at brexiteers. Says a lot that doesn't it "

I didn’t hurl any abuse. I asked you some questions.

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By *un4allxMan over a year ago

Altarnun

"Not all brexiteers are racist, but all racists are brexiteers

think again boyo

Do you have any evidence for this? There was no propaganda on the remain side that targeted racists, and yet the leave side was full of it. What would a racist see as an advantage to remaining?

Unless their fear of losing rights, their fear of more austerity and of living in a backwards county was greater than their fear of brown foreigners. But they’re not known for their logical well thought through view points now are they!I don't think for one minute that is correct. You know it a d I know it. As usual the remain side looking for ways to hurl abuse at brexiteers. Says a lot that doesn't it

I didn’t hurl any abuse. I asked you some questions."

You are a very sad abusive person, sadly.

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By *laytimenowMan over a year ago

Essex

I know a Couple of out & out Racists through work , who voted remain because there Biggest God is Money , They voted remain for there £ notes over there views on other Human Beings.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not all brexiteers are racist, but all racists are brexiteers

think again boyo

Do you have any evidence for this? There was no propaganda on the remain side that targeted racists, and yet the leave side was full of it. What would a racist see as an advantage to remaining?

Unless their fear of losing rights, their fear of more austerity and of living in a backwards county was greater than their fear of brown foreigners. But they’re not known for their logical well thought through view points now are they!I don't think for one minute that is correct. You know it a d I know it. As usual the remain side looking for ways to hurl abuse at brexiteers. Says a lot that doesn't it

I didn’t hurl any abuse. I asked you some questions.

You are a very sad abusive person, sadly. "

Blimey, so asking questions politely counts as abuse now!

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

"Not all brexiteers are racist, but all racists are brexiteers

think again boyo

Do you have any evidence for this? There was no propaganda on the remain side that targeted racists, and yet the leave side was full of it. What would a racist see as an advantage to remaining?

Unless their fear of losing rights, their fear of more austerity and of living in a backwards county was greater than their fear of brown foreigners. But they’re not known for their logical well thought through view points now are they!I don't think for one minute that is correct. You know it a d I know it. As usual the remain side looking for ways to hurl abuse at brexiteers. Says a lot that doesn't it

I didn’t hurl any abuse. I asked you some questions.

You are a very sad abusive person, sadly. "
I am. Not sad. By all means debating brexit is fine but bringing racism into the equation oversteps the mark. I find the remark that leavers are racist very offensive.

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By *un4allxMan over a year ago

Altarnun

"Not all brexiteers are racist, but all racists are brexiteers

think again boyo

Do you have any evidence for this? There was no propaganda on the remain side that targeted racists, and yet the leave side was full of it. What would a racist see as an advantage to remaining?

Unless their fear of losing rights, their fear of more austerity and of living in a backwards county was greater than their fear of brown foreigners. But they’re not known for their logical well thought through view points now are they!I don't think for one minute that is correct. You know it a d I know it. As usual the remain side looking for ways to hurl abuse at brexiteers. Says a lot that doesn't it

I didn’t hurl any abuse. I asked you some questions.

You are a very sad abusive person, sadly.

Blimey, so asking questions politely counts as abuse now! "

I draw your attention to your comment on other parts of the forum.

So not just asking polite questions.

It’s about hateful angry white men sticking it to them foreigners coming over ‘ere and taking out jobs/benefits/houses/women/fruit baskets etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not all brexiteers are racist, but all racists are brexiteers

think again boyo

Do you have any evidence for this? There was no propaganda on the remain side that targeted racists, and yet the leave side was full of it. What would a racist see as an advantage to remaining?

Unless their fear of losing rights, their fear of more austerity and of living in a backwards county was greater than their fear of brown foreigners. But they’re not known for their logical well thought through view points now are they!I don't think for one minute that is correct. You know it a d I know it. As usual the remain side looking for ways to hurl abuse at brexiteers. Says a lot that doesn't it

I didn’t hurl any abuse. I asked you some questions.

You are a very sad abusive person, sadly.

Blimey, so asking questions politely counts as abuse now!

I draw your attention to your comment on other parts of the forum.

So not just asking polite questions.

It’s about hateful angry white men sticking it to them foreigners coming over ‘ere and taking out jobs/benefits/houses/women/fruit baskets etc.

Right, I’m with you. Do you wish to expand?

To the other poster, anyone who labels all leavers as racist is clearly a complete moron.

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By *obert RichardsMan over a year ago

Surrey

Many uneducated people voted leave and also many uneducated people voted remain. Nobody ever knows what they are voting for because MPs lie. Leave won and the government leaflet had the information of what a leave vote meant.

Either way, whatever we voted we all lost and democracy is dead.

The peoples vote would be ok but should have only two options on it. No deal or leave with the deal offered.

We can't go back, it wouldn't be democratic.

If we could go back we would bring back guy fawkes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Many uneducated people voted leave and also many uneducated people voted remain. Nobody ever knows what they are voting for because MPs lie. Leave won and the government leaflet had the information of what a leave vote meant.

Either way, whatever we voted we all lost and democracy is dead.

The peoples vote would be ok but should have only two options on it. No deal or leave with the deal offered.

We can't go back, it wouldn't be democratic.

If we could go back we would bring back guy fawkes

I’m not in favour of another referendum. But what would be the problem of having remain down as an option? If remain got more votes, it would indicate that more people who voted wish to remain than leave. Which is entirely democratic.

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By *obert RichardsMan over a year ago

Surrey

Either way, whatever we voted we all lost and democracy is dead.

The peoples vote would be ok but should have only two options on it. No deal or leave with the deal offered.

We can't go back, it wouldn't be democratic.

If we could go back we would bring back guy fawkes

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

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By *un4allxMan over a year ago

Altarnun

"Not all brexiteers are racist, but all racists are brexiteers

think again boyo

Do you have any evidence for this? There was no propaganda on the remain side that targeted racists, and yet the leave side was full of it. What would a racist see as an advantage to remaining?

Unless their fear of losing rights, their fear of more austerity and of living in a backwards county was greater than their fear of brown foreigners. But they’re not known for their logical well thought through view points now are they!I don't think for one minute that is correct. You know it a d I know it. As usual the remain side looking for ways to hurl abuse at brexiteers. Says a lot that doesn't it

I didn’t hurl any abuse. I asked you some questions.

You are a very sad abusive person, sadly.

Blimey, so asking questions politely counts as abuse now!

I draw your attention to your comment on other parts of the forum.

So not just asking polite questions.

It’s about hateful angry white men sticking it to them foreigners coming over ‘ere and taking out jobs/benefits/houses/women/fruit baskets etc.

Right, I’m with you. Do you wish to expand?

To the other poster, anyone who labels all leavers as racist is clearly a complete moron. "

I agree that the poster who labels all leavers as Racist is clearly incorrect in his statement, and is also sad, and abusive, but he is entitled to his opinion however misguided he is. We should be able to debate our positions without having to be rude or abusive.

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By *iceguy_ls29Man over a year ago

ilkley

We all know that not all leavers are racist

But it’s also true that all racists & xenophobes who voted, did in fact vote leave

So... I’m afraid that’s the company leavers are in.

Like it or not .....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Either way, whatever we voted we all lost and democracy is dead.

The peoples vote would be ok but should have only two options on it. No deal or leave with the deal offered.

We can't go back, it wouldn't be democratic.

If we could go back we would bring back guy fawkes

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x"

Do you have an example of something you’ve learned that influenced your change of heart?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not all brexiteers are racist, but all racists are brexiteers

think again boyo

Do you have any evidence for this? There was no propaganda on the remain side that targeted racists, and yet the leave side was full of it. What would a racist see as an advantage to remaining?

Unless their fear of losing rights, their fear of more austerity and of living in a backwards county was greater than their fear of brown foreigners. But they’re not known for their logical well thought through view points now are they!I don't think for one minute that is correct. You know it a d I know it. As usual the remain side looking for ways to hurl abuse at brexiteers. Says a lot that doesn't it

I didn’t hurl any abuse. I asked you some questions.

You are a very sad abusive person, sadly.

Blimey, so asking questions politely counts as abuse now!

I draw your attention to your comment on other parts of the forum.

So not just asking polite questions.

It’s about hateful angry white men sticking it to them foreigners coming over ‘ere and taking out jobs/benefits/houses/women/fruit baskets etc.

Right, I’m with you. Do you wish to expand?

To the other poster, anyone who labels all leavers as racist is clearly a complete moron.

You’re confused, or trying to be over cryptic

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Do all remainers, think that all brexiters are racist ,

Nope. I think that some leavers are racists.

Of all the racists that voted I think that the overwhelming majority voted to leave.

Of those people who are absolutely not racist I think that the leave campaign was designed to make them fearful of immigrants and this wod have encouraged them to vote to leave.

Is that unfair?

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By *un4allxMan over a year ago

Altarnun

Either way, whatever we voted we all lost and democracy is dead.

The peoples vote would be ok but should have only two options on it. No deal or leave with the deal offered.

We can't go back, it wouldn't be democratic.

If we could go back we would bring back guy fawkes

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x"

Not offended and I have found your situation to be very similar to other people who voted Remain. They have also said they would change their vote to Leave, most saying they are disgusted at the way the EU has been difficult, dismissive. The EU had the ability to agree the detail on TM’s deal that would have enabled it to be passed, satisfying even the hardest of the remainders and the leavers in Parliament, but they chose to play hardball, because they are just as eager to overturn the decision to leave.

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By *laytimenowMan over a year ago

Essex

"We all know that not all leavers are racist

But it’s also true that all racists & xenophobes who voted, did in fact vote leave

So... I’m afraid that’s the company leavers are in.

Like it or not ....."

Did you not read my post ?

I stated i know 2 out & out racists who voted remain .

Purely because financially there Buisness is dependent on & being in the EU.

There biggest God is Money

There next live is there bigotry.

Like it or not.

I voted remain too but am not an owner of bhisness just to clear that point up.

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By *obert RichardsMan over a year ago

Surrey

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

Do you have an example of something you’ve learned that influenced your change of heart?"

Yes the behaviour within the EU and learning about the unelected italian prime minister who worked for the EU as an eccomonist

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Either way, whatever we voted we all lost and democracy is dead.

The peoples vote would be ok but should have only two options on it. No deal or leave with the deal offered.

We can't go back, it wouldn't be democratic.

If we could go back we would bring back guy fawkes

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x"

Would it be wrong for the British peoe to change their minds?

Would it be wrong to allow people to show that in another referendum?

If you have acquired more education and you have changed your mind is it not possible that other people have done the same?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Either way, whatever we voted we all lost and democracy is dead.

The peoples vote would be ok but should have only two options on it. No deal or leave with the deal offered.

We can't go back, it wouldn't be democratic.

If we could go back we would bring back guy fawkes

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

Are you saying that the EU could have agreed to all of our demands but have treated us badly because they didn't do everything we asked for?

Are you really saying that our red lines and Brexit means Brexit nonsense wasn't playing hardball?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

Do you have an example of something you’ve learned that influenced your change of heart?

Yes the behaviour within the EU and learning about the unelected italian prime minister who worked for the EU as an eccomonist"

What "the behaviour" and which Italian Prime Minister?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

Do you have an example of something you’ve learned that influenced your change of heart?

Yes the behaviour within the EU and learning about the unelected italian prime minister who worked for the EU as an eccomonist"

Right, and is that any better than Westminster? And if so is it worth the economic/environmental/loss of rights impact we’re suffering?

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By *un4allxMan over a year ago

Altarnun

Either way, whatever we voted we all lost and democracy is dead.

The peoples vote would be ok but should have only two options on it. No deal or leave with the deal offered.

We can't go back, it wouldn't be democratic.

If we could go back we would bring back guy fawkes

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

Are you saying that the EU could have agreed to all of our demands but have treated us badly because they didn't do everything we asked for?

Are you really saying that our red lines and Brexit means Brexit nonsense wasn't playing hardball?"

I’m saying that the EU and UK agreed on everything. But brought up this backstop which scuppered the entire deal, MP’s would not back it as they knew it was bad for Ireland and gave no legal assurances as stated by the attorney general. All asked for more Concrete rather than a half hearted promise, to play fair. They had the opportunity to move on the ambiguity, and three times they failed, to Compromise.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So the E.U. are too tough at negotiating. Shame they’re not on our side negotiating for our interests.

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By *obert RichardsMan over a year ago

Surrey

I don't want to fall out with anyone as this brexit bollocks is ruining our country and peoples friendships. If we leave or stay it is all a mess.

I voted remain but would now vote leave and many others would do and vice versa. I believe in democracy and a 4% margin is huge in politics

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By *un4allxMan over a year ago

Altarnun

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

Do you have an example of something you’ve learned that influenced your change of heart?

Yes the behaviour within the EU and learning about the unelected italian prime minister who worked for the EU as an eccomonist

Right, and is that any better than Westminster? And if so is it worth the economic/environmental/loss of rights impact we’re suffering?"

Our Economy is grownung better than that of the G7. Our Environmental and 0 carbon targets are leading the G20, and Mays Deal far from perfect has assured that rights will be protected. So where is it that you get your info that we’re suffering. Business wins and loses contracts every day, businesses are more prepared for a no deal than the government is investment from Canada, America and China is growing, and lots of investment decisions are on hold not because of leaving the EU, but because of the current uncertainties.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"I don't want to fall out with anyone as this brexit bollocks is ruining our country and peoples friendships. If we leave or stay it is all a mess.

I voted remain but would now vote leave and many others would do and vice versa. I believe in democracy and a 4% margin is huge in politics "

So are lies. The Brexit team should be locked up!

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Either way, whatever we voted we all lost and democracy is dead.

The peoples vote would be ok but should have only two options on it. No deal or leave with the deal offered.

We can't go back, it wouldn't be democratic.

If we could go back we would bring back guy fawkes

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

Are you saying that the EU could have agreed to all of our demands but have treated us badly because they didn't do everything we asked for?

Are you really saying that our red lines and Brexit means Brexit nonsense wasn't playing hardball?

The EU did not "bring up" the backstop.

Ireland asked for it to be guaranteed. They are in the EU so the EU will look after their interests, not ours.

There is nothing to compromise if the border has to be kept open for the Good Friday Agreement.

There cannot be an open border with no trade deal. That is a WTO requirement. That means that there must be a temporary agreement. We agreed to it and 27 other countries agreed to it. Only the DUP and some extreme Brexiteers dislike it. Why can't they change their mind? They aren't even a national government.

What's your solution?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

Do you have an example of something you’ve learned that influenced your change of heart?

Yes the behaviour within the EU and learning about the unelected italian prime minister who worked for the EU as an eccomonist

Right, and is that any better than Westminster? And if so is it worth the economic/environmental/loss of rights impact we’re suffering?

It appears that some forum posters do not want to share in the UKs success.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"I don't want to fall out with anyone as this brexit bollocks is ruining our country and peoples friendships. If we leave or stay it is all a mess.

I voted remain but would now vote leave and many others would do and vice versa. I believe in democracy and a 4% margin is huge in politics "

A 4% margin is tiny. That can flip on any given day.

Having the referendum to satisfy a small, angry minority to benefit the Conservative party split the country, not the EU.

That's misplaced blame.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

Do you have an example of something you’ve learned that influenced your change of heart?

Yes the behaviour within the EU and learning about the unelected italian prime minister who worked for the EU as an eccomonist

Right, and is that any better than Westminster? And if so is it worth the economic/environmental/loss of rights impact we’re suffering?

We went from the strongest performing economy in the G7 to the weakest after the referendum vote.

Our growth only overtook the Euro zone in the 3rd quarter of last year. That means we have sacrificed almost two years relative to where we could have been. All of this time we have had a weaker currency which should help exports and have had exactly the same trading relationship with the EU. Yet we are only now showing some growth just as we head into the teeth of a global recession whilst we try to change all of our trading relationships.

We have low unemployment but food banks and rising child poverty.

A trillion pounds of capital has left the country after foreign companies went on a spe ding spree buying up our historically cheap companies and properties.

China has just warned of slowing growth and Trump is busy having a trade war with them.

Investment decisions are on hold because we are leaving the EU and they don't know what our trading arrangements will be. If it takes any longer the investment will be made elsewhere because that is less risky. There is no logic to investing in the UK if we leave the single market as a much bigger trading block lives next door.

The UK is losing European headquarters which will not come back. Instead of regional decisions being made here they will be made elsewhere. We become just a national office receiving orders.

I don't know if you are just trying to be positive or you have found a particular news source which you believe above all others.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

Do you have an example of something you’ve learned that influenced your change of heart?

Yes the behaviour within the EU and learning about the unelected italian prime minister who worked for the EU as an eccomonist

Right, and is that any better than Westminster? And if so is it worth the economic/environmental/loss of rights impact we’re suffering?

It appears that some forum posters do not want to share in the UKs success. "

Pat, name just one of your specialist publications that yiu guard so secretly

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

The trouble with Leave was it was Hijacked by Racist/ Bigoted Groups to benefit there own propaganda

While normal honest people who had well reasoned views were over run by the so called powerful groups.

Nothing wrong being a Leaver,

As a Remainer , i have once moaned ( well not much, ok just a bit , well actually every minute of everyday)

But we are also not loony lefties or snowflakes.

The problem was that parliament gave us a vote that we were not entitled to make without the full facts from both sides , which none of us got.

There is a great youtube clip

From auf wiedersen pet titled democracy.

Everybody gets what nobody wants .

https://youtu.be/uet4f3QwRQw "

Of course you aren't left wing- the EU is a very right wing organization.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We all know that not all leavers are racist

But it’s also true that all racists & xenophobes who voted, did in fact vote leave

So... I’m afraid that’s the company leavers are in.

Like it or not ....."

Yeah but isn't the Labour party riddled with anti semitism? Isn't Jizz Corpsebin a raving anti semite? I could've sworn that most of the labour party wanted to remain...even though he was campaigning like billy-oh to break up the EU circa 10 years ago...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We all know that not all leavers are racist

But it’s also true that all racists & xenophobes who voted, did in fact vote leave

So... I’m afraid that’s the company leavers are in.

Like it or not .....

Absolutely bonkers what some people believe.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"We all know that not all leavers are racist

But it’s also true that all racists & xenophobes who voted, did in fact vote leave

So... I’m afraid that’s the company leavers are in.

Like it or not .....

Absolutely bonkers what some people believe."

Sometimes you just have to recognise balanced judgement wasn’t fairly handed out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We all know that not all leavers are racist

But it’s also true that all racists & xenophobes who voted, did in fact vote leave

So... I’m afraid that’s the company leavers are in.

Like it or not .....

Yeah but isn't the Labour party riddled with anti semitism? Isn't Jizz Corpsebin a raving

anti semite? I could've sworn that most of the labour party wanted to remain...even though he was campaigning like billy-oh to break up the EU circa 10 years ago...

Absolutely bonkers what some people

believe."

but it was on the news!! The beeb told the world!!

So it MUST be true....or something..... just like the project fear stuff they pedal all day every day.

pedo enabling bbc wouldn't spread shyte would they??

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"We all know that not all leavers are racist

But it’s also true that all racists & xenophobes who voted, did in fact vote leave

So... I’m afraid that’s the company leavers are in.

Like it or not .....

Absolutely bonkers what some people believe.

Sometimes you just have to recognise balanced judgement wasn’t fairly handed out

Bump

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We all know that not all leavers are racist

But it’s also true that all racists & xenophobes who voted, did in fact vote leave

So... I’m afraid that’s the company leavers are in.

Like it or not .....

Yeah but isn't the Labour party riddled with anti semitism? Isn't Jizz Corpsebin a raving

anti semite? I could've sworn that most of the labour party wanted to remain...even though he was campaigning like billy-oh to break up the EU circa 10 years ago...

Absolutely bonkers what some people

believe.

but it was on the news!! The beeb told the world!!

So it MUST be true....or something..... just like the project fear stuff they pedal all day every day.

pedo enabling bbc wouldn't spread shyte would they??"

Maybe lay off the crack for a bit, the world might make more sense.

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By *ony 2016Man over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"Do all remainers, think that all brexiters are racist ,

"
. Definitely not , there is no way the 17 million are all racist ,, however the result was 52-48 which only required a 3% swing , and the number of racists in our great country is ( unfortunately ) vastly greater than 3% so although not all the leavers are racists , the racist vote was substantially enough to win the referendum ,,, In a democracy every individual vote should be of equal importance , as was the case in the referendum but there is an element of sadness that basically it was the racist vote that was the difference between leave/remain , If you are reading this and you voted leave and you are not racist then I am not criticising you I am just pointing out that if you take away the racist vote remain would have won quite comfortably

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"Not all brexiteers are racist, but all racists are brexiteers

think again boyo

Do you have any evidence for this? There was no propaganda on the remain side that targeted racists, and yet the leave side was full of it. What would a racist see as an advantage to remaining?

Racism.....prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

What about the other 27 EU member states makes their race different to the UK?

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"Not all brexiteers are racist, but all racists are brexiteers

Which Home Secretary was responsible for the 'hostile environment', 'go home vans', and Windrush policies? And who did she, and her party, campaign for, remain or leave?

Which party is tarred with anti-semitism, and has been called institutionally anti-semitic by more than one of their own MPs? And what did that party campaign for, remain or leave?

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

Either way, whatever we voted we all lost and democracy is dead.

The peoples vote would be ok but should have only two options on it. No deal or leave with the deal offered.

We can't go back, it wouldn't be democratic.

If we could go back we would bring back guy fawkes

So if you had deal, no deal, or remain as the options, and remain got 40%, deal got 25% and no deal got 35%, which one should we go for? Remain, because it got more than each of the other two, even though the 2 leave options got 60% of the votes, and it got less than 50% of the total? Or no deal, because it got the highest of the 2 leave votes, even though it got less than 50% of the total?

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"So the E.U. are too tough at negotiating. Shame they’re not on our side negotiating for our interests. "

So the EU wouldn't change their position, which you say is good negotiation.

And yet when the UK has their lines in the sand, you say that's poor negotiation?

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

Either way, whatever we voted we all lost and democracy is dead.

The peoples vote would be ok but should have only two options on it. No deal or leave with the deal offered.

We can't go back, it wouldn't be democratic.

If we could go back we would bring back guy fawkes

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

Are you saying that the EU could have agreed to all of our demands but have treated us badly because they didn't do everything we asked for?

Are you really saying that our red lines and Brexit means Brexit nonsense wasn't playing hardball?

The EU did not "bring up" the backstop.

Ireland asked for it to be guaranteed. They are in the EU so the EU will look after their interests, not ours.

There is nothing to compromise if the border has to be kept open for the Good Friday Agreement.

What's your solution?"

Barnier said yesterday that in the event of no deal there will not need to be a hard border, that there are other workable solutions within the island of Ireland.

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

Do you have an example of something you’ve learned that influenced your change of heart?

Yes the behaviour within the EU and learning about the unelected italian prime minister who worked for the EU as an eccomonist

Right, and is that any better than Westminster? And if so is it worth the economic/environmental/loss of rights impact we’re suffering?

Im sorry but arguing that investment decisions are not on hold because of Brexit is palpable nonsense. Companies like BMW and Vauxhall have said exactly that. So, how come some random bloke on here knows better than those who are actually making the decisions?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Not all brexiteers are racist, but all racists are brexiteers

think again boyo

Do you have any evidence for this? There was no propaganda on the remain side that targeted racists, and yet the leave side was full of it. What would a racist see as an advantage to remaining?

Racism.....prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

What about the other 27 EU member states makes their race different to the UK?"

What are you talking about?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So the E.U. are too tough at negotiating. Shame they’re not on our side negotiating for our interests.

So the EU wouldn't change their position, which you say is good negotiation.

And yet when the UK has their lines in the sand, you say that's poor negotiation?"

I think you're confusing me with someone else.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Either way, whatever we voted we all lost and democracy is dead.

The peoples vote would be ok but should have only two options on it. No deal or leave with the deal offered.

We can't go back, it wouldn't be democratic.

If we could go back we would bring back guy fawkes

Like I said, I'm not in favour of another referendum. But there are several ways to ask these questions fairly. IE.

1. Leave or remain.

2. In the event of leaving, May's deal or no deal.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Like I said, I'm not in favour of another referendum. But there are several ways to ask these questions fairly. IE.

1. Leave or remain.

2. In the event of leaving, May's deal or no deal.

The referendum in 1997 on the reinstatement of a Scottish Parliament had two questions, on two separate ballot papers, so there is precedent:

On the first ballot paper the following appeared:

Parliament has decided to consult people in Scotland on the Government's proposals for a Scottish Parliament:

I agree there should be a Scottish Parliament

I do not agree there should be a Scottish Parliament

(To be marked by a single (X))

On the second ballot paper the following appeared:

Parliament has decided to consult people in Scotland on the Government's proposals for a Scottish Parliament to have tax varying powers:

I agree that a Scottish Parliament should have tax-varying powers

I do not agree that a Scottish Parliament should have tax-varying powers

(To be marked by a single (X))

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just to cherry Pick your paragraph and explain how a second preference would work here is the answer, probably if we had a second preference vote.

Remain got 40% of the vote. The May deal would be knocked out of second round and their second preference vote would then be allocated. Most of the Deal people would Probably, and I say probably go for Remain but lets hypothetically say 15% of the no dealers said they would prefer remain and 10% no deal. Therefore Remain would have 55% of the vote and no deal 45%, and thus a comfortable remain victory. If on the other hand 15% of no dealers preference was for no deal then that 15% would be added to the 35% no deal and we would have a tie

and the queen would have to decide.

2nd preference is the answer, I assure you.

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Of course all of us leavers are racists, we are all stupid and old too!

Whatever your intelligence

One thing is fact, the utter mess we are in was exactly what an intelligent leave voter knew would happened and voted to happen

You may have wanted different but want and the facts are often different

No I dont think all leave voters are extreme racists , yes I think many UK humans are racist to a varying degree and would be confident, statistically more leave voters would hold more views considered more racist than remain voters x

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By *un4allxMan over a year ago

Altarnun

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

Do you have an example of something you’ve learned that influenced your change of heart?

Yes the behaviour within the EU and learning about the unelected italian prime minister who worked for the EU as an eccomonist

Right, and is that any better than Westminster? And if so is it worth the economic/environmental/loss of rights impact we’re suffering?

Get your facts right many companies have stated that investments are on hold because of indecisiveness. Not because of leaving the EU. Business is frustrated, and so investment is on hold until business know when we leave and what leave means. So the point was investment is not on hold because we are leaving the EU, investment is on hold because they don’t know when we are leaving or what that will look like and the Indicituve voting, just made that even more uncertain as a week ago we had one of two outcomes, now it appears we have nine.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just to cherry Pick your paragraph and explain how a second preference would work here is the answer, probably if we had a second preference vote.

and the queen would have to decide.

2nd preference is the answer, I assure you."

p.s It would make a great proportional representation system too by the way.

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

Do you have an example of something you’ve learned that influenced your change of heart?

Yes the behaviour within the EU and learning about the unelected italian prime minister who worked for the EU as an eccomonist

Right, and is that any better than Westminster? And if so is it worth the economic/environmental/loss of rights impact we’re suffering?

Sounds perfectly reasonable to infer that business therefore do not think all scenarios will have positive outcomes

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

To underline the point, from the annual conference yesterday of the British Chambers of Commerce:

"Alison Rose, the chief executive of commercial and private banking at Royal Bank of Scotland, told the conference that its corporate customers had increasingly moved to pause their investment plans in Britain over the past three months.

“The uncertainty makes it very difficult for anyone running a business.

“Everyone today would agree that the uncertainty has gone on for far too long,” she said. “We’re at a point where decisions need to be made in terms of preparing for the worst – and that’s certainly what we’ve done.”

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By *un4allxMan over a year ago

Altarnun

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

Do you have an example of something you’ve learned that influenced your change of heart?

Yes the behaviour within the EU and learning about the unelected italian prime minister who worked for the EU as an eccomonist

Right, and is that any better than Westminster? And if so is it worth the economic/environmental/loss of rights impact we’re suffering?

Sounds perfectly reasonable to infer that business therefore do not think all scenarios will have positive outcomes "

I think it more reasonable to infer, that business sees that all outcomes have both positives and negatives, and therefore arecwaiting so that they can make better use of the positives.

Additionally to the now nine options, business had certainty that we would have left today, now they havecuncertainty ad to wether they can trust any date set by the government or the EU. Like the Public Fed up and want the whole thing sorted.

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By *un4allxMan over a year ago

Altarnun

To underline the point, from the annual conference yesterday of the British Chambers of Commerce:

“The uncertainty makes it very difficult for anyone running a business.

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By *un4allxMan over a year ago

Altarnun

To underline the point, from the annual conference yesterday of the British Chambers of Commerce:

“The uncertainty makes it very difficult for anyone running a business.

??"

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By *un4allxMan over a year ago

Altarnun

To underline the point, from the annual conference yesterday of the British Chambers of Commerce:

“The uncertainty makes it very difficult for anyone running a business.

),"

Additionally to the above, have a read of this article. https://readyforbrexit.co.uk/westminster-has-let-business-down-over-brexit-says-british-chambers-of-commerce/

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

Either way, whatever we voted we all lost and democracy is dead.

The peoples vote would be ok but should have only two options on it. No deal or leave with the deal offered.

We can't go back, it wouldn't be democratic.

If we could go back we would bring back guy fawkes

Like I said, I'm not in favour of another referendum. But there are several ways to ask these questions fairly. IE.

1. Leave or remain.

2. In the event of leaving, May's deal or no deal.

Well, we've already had the Leave or Remain referendum, so I guess the next one should be Deal or No Deal then. Which will require Article 50 extending.

Although we can't do that, because the EU have already told us that if we want to extend article 50 to hold another referendum it's got to have remain as an option.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

Like I said, I'm not in favour of another referendum. But there are several ways to ask these questions fairly. IE.

1. Leave or remain.

2. In the event of leaving, May's deal or no deal.

The referendum in 1997 on the reinstatement of a Scottish Parliament had two questions, on two separate ballot papers, so there is precedent:

On the first ballot paper the following appeared:

Parliament has decided to consult people in Scotland on the Government's proposals for a Scottish Parliament:

I agree there should be a Scottish Parliament

I do not agree there should be a Scottish Parliament

(To be marked by a single (X))

On the second ballot paper the following appeared:

Parliament has decided to consult people in Scotland on the Government's proposals for a Scottish Parliament to have tax varying powers:

I agree that a Scottish Parliament should have tax-varying powers

I do not agree that a Scottish Parliament should have tax-varying powers

(To be marked by a single (X))

Maybe we should have the 8 options, that MPs took over proceedings this week for, to vote on?

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Additionally to the above, have a read of this article. https://readyforbrexit.co.uk/westminster-has-let-business-down-over-brexit-says-british-chambers-of-commerce/"

See that is being a bit disingenuous... because they also say quite loudly that mays deal is much better than a no deal brexit....

So are you for mays deal now, have you all flipped flopped? ... because when we have asked you leavers before, most of you hate it!

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

Just to cherry Pick your paragraph and explain how a second preference would work here is the answer, probably if we had a second preference vote.

and the queen would have to decide.

2nd preference is the answer, I assure you."

We've already had the first preference, which was leave....so the second preference referendum should be deal or no deal.

Although the EU won't allow us to do that. They've already said that if there is another referendum it has to have remain as an option.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Either way, whatever we voted we all lost and democracy is dead.

The peoples vote would be ok but should have only two options on it. No deal or leave with the deal offered.

We can't go back, it wouldn't be democratic.

If we could go back we would bring back guy fawkes

Like I said, I'm not in favour of another referendum. But there are several ways to ask these questions fairly. IE.

1. Leave or remain.

2. In the event of leaving, May's deal or no deal.

Well, we've already had the Leave or Remain referendum, so I guess the next one should be Deal or No Deal then. Which will require Article 50 extending.

Although we can't do that, because the EU have already told us that if we want to extend article 50 to hold another referendum it's got to have remain as an option. "

Like I keep saying. I’m not in favour of another referendum.

I was pointing out how silly the above posters comments were by saying having remain on there is entirely undemocratic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am not in favour of a 2nd referendum either either. I was just posting how a hypothetical 2nd preference referendum could work fairly. I personally think the deal on the table should be accepted as a compromise and then perhaps another referendum to rejoin if we find it's a pig in a poke. The EU if they are the democratic force for good that they say they are should sign up to that as part of the political non legal declaration

However I suspect a lot of the other 27 members once they've read the fine print will be clamouring for a GB type deal. It's nearly back to how the EU should work with a group of potentially friendly nations, trading with each other with none of this european parliament and ECJ over ruling a nations own judicial system. Perfect......

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Why do people on these islands believe that people on the continent think like them?

Their history, their experience, their outlook, is very different.

It's been a repeated failing of the UK's time in the European set-up - the inability to comprehend and negotiate with others who think differently.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am not in favour of a 2nd referendum either either. I was just posting how a hypothetical 2nd preference referendum could work fairly. I personally think the deal on the table should be accepted as a compromise and then perhaps another referendum to rejoin if we find it's a pig in a poke. The EU if they are the democratic force for good that they say they are should sign up to that as part of the political non legal declaration

There is no rejoin option. We will never be allowed back with the same favourable terms we have now. Looking to rejoin at a later date when we’re poorer and have less to offer and have a history of being the difficult member, will get us something similar to May’s shitty deal.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah but that pre supposes that all of us Brits are difficult people. I'm not particularly.( Are you ??? :, smile I was joking). I am perfectly happy with what we have at the moment and if Article 50 was revoked I'd be as happy as Larry. It was all a stupid idea anyway.

However, perhaps a 2nd referendum is the way forward and I would definitely vote in it if it was a 2nd preference vote. Binary get's big thumbs down from me as we now know what the deal is, 2.5 years ago we didn't. 3 options should be available or even 4 if that's what parliament decides.

One thing for sure is I do not have a say in the way forward and you think I am going to sign a petition calling for a second referendum then no way hosay. The first referendum under it's rules was what everyone should accept as binding. It was the rules set out. I agree it's wasn't binding. Stupid Dave should have set a miniumum margin for it to be binding so hard cheese Leave, you need to compromise so this is the end result. What a stupid mistake he made there. Other countries that have had referendums have set margins for adoption so why on earth didn't he set something.

I guess he thought it just wasn't cricket to do that and smuggly thought that there is no way the country will vote leave.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

Although the EU have already stated that all rebates will be scrapped in the next budget cycle from 2021.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

Although the EU have already stated that all rebates will be scrapped in the next budget cycle from 2021."

I know that you know when and why the ending of rebates was proposed. I guess telling the full story does not fit in with Brexitology. Much better to tell half the story and use the just the bit that suits your agenda.

It was proposed in last years funding blue paper taking into account the UK’s departure and proposals as to how the E.U. would be funded post-Brexit. By the way, it is still only a proposal and will probably only get firmed up once Brexit has some clarity.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Although the EU have already stated that all rebates will be scrapped in the next budget cycle from 2021."

You know we'd have to agree to this though..... don't you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Even though its been brought up by leavers many times and re-explained every time.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Either way, whatever we voted we all lost and democracy is dead.

The peoples vote would be ok but should have only two options on it. No deal or leave with the deal offered.

We can't go back, it wouldn't be democratic.

If we could go back we would bring back guy fawkes

For the record and please don't hate me but I was a remainer. If I were to vote again it would more than likely be a vote to leave as I've aquired more education in the last couple of years x

Are you saying that the EU could have agreed to all of our demands but have treated us badly because they didn't do everything we asked for?

Are you really saying that our red lines and Brexit means Brexit nonsense wasn't playing hardball?

The EU did not "bring up" the backstop.

Ireland asked for it to be guaranteed. They are in the EU so the EU will look after their interests, not ours.

There is nothing to compromise if the border has to be kept open for the Good Friday Agreement.

What's your solution?

Barnier said yesterday that in the event of no deal there will not need to be a hard border, that there are other workable solutions within the island of Ireland."

No. He did not.

He said this:

"In all Brexit scenarios, the Good Friday Agreement will continue to apply.

Respecting the Good Friday agreement meant preventing the return of a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.

In all scenarios, the Good Friday agreement will continue to apply. The United Kingdom will remain a core guarantor of that agreement and is expected to uphold it in spirit and in letter," he said.

The Commission is ready to make additional resources available to Ireland, technical and financial to address any additional challenges,"

He said that there must not be a hard border and that the EU would help Ireland find a solution but expect the UK to do likewise.

You, or which ever publication you read chose to interpret this as something completely different.

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By *efrenchguyMan over a year ago

London

I don't think all leavers are racist, no. What I can tell you, and it might feel uncomfortable, is that's it's not a good time to be a foreigner living in the UK.

The odd comment from a grunt on the street doesn't bother me, I've only had two since the ref. I can deal with that - after all, there racists in France too and I have to clean up my backyard before judging yours.

However, what is genuinely scary is how this govt seems to be going after us.

Anyway, I've decided not register for the settled status, I will not register to be permitted to live in my own home. If Brexit really does goes through, I'll sell up, close my company and move somewhere else.

This isn't supposed to be a whining or inflammatory comment, but think a minute about having to register to keep living in the home you own.

Going off topic, so goodbye!

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Just to cherry Pick your paragraph and explain how a second preference would work here is the answer, probably if we had a second preference vote.

and the queen would have to decide.

2nd preference is the answer, I assure you.

We've already had the first preference, which was leave....so the second preference referendum should be deal or no deal.

Although the EU won't allow us to do that. They've already said that if there is another referendum it has to have remain as an option."

The Brexit-means-Brexit, Leave-means-Leave options presented to the British people have 17.4 million interpretations.

No deal was never mentioned during the campaign. Do please indicate where of that is not the case.

Brexit is what the government and Parliament say it is. You voted blind and that's what you get.

I think the people should decide if they like the transition deal and the several years of further negotiation for another unknown destination or they think that remaining is better.

Do you think that the British people should not have this choice?

Do you think that the British people would be wrong to change their minds?

Do you think that the British people should not be given the opportunity to change their minds?

You can make the normal arguments about voting for ever etc, but please try to answer these questions directly first without changing the subject.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do all remainers, think that all brexiters are racist ,

No, that's a bit like saying that all remainers are cowards because they prefer to stay under the yoke of the EU rather than striking out on their own and taking more control of their own destiny. Not all remainers are cowards, but most are