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By *uietbloke67 OP Man
over a year ago
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As a Labour supporter all my life (even through the independence), I have to say the silence from Corbyn is shocking.
All you leaning lefties who thought he was the messiah have only done to the Labour party what Brexit people have done to the UK...Fooked it.
Unfortunately now I see only one road. Scottish independence and the end of the coalition of states once called the UK. |
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over a year ago
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"As a Labour supporter all my life (even through the independence), I have to say the silence from Corbyn is shocking.
All you leaning lefties who thought he was the messiah have only done to the Labour party what Brexit people have done to the UK...Fooked it.
Unfortunately now I see only one road. Scottish independence and the end of the coalition of states once called the UK."
I’m not a labour supporter, but I do like some of their policies, and Corbyn did seem the genuine article prior to the Brexit debacle. But you’re right, he’s been ineffective as an opposition leader, partly because of infighting amongst his own party, and partly because I-don’t-know-what. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Corbyn has an agenda which means that he is willing to play hardball to control the labour party and create the conditions for a general election where he will have a true mandate to create a nationalised socialist state. I don’t agree with his methods but I do understand and to a certain extent agree with his aims and I think his unwillingness to engage with the media are the result of years of being abused by them. He is not afraid of the media, he just chooses not to play their game. The fact that he talks to palestinans who are avowedly anti semitic surely means that he has an enquiring mind rather than being a supporter of their cause. I mean lets face it, Gordon Brown called that lady a bigot instead of engaging with her and that was probably a pivotal point for the collapse of old labour and the rise of ukip. Just my opinion but that was a terrible moment handled badly by the party and demonstrated a lack of empathy that bit them and the country hard. |
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"Corbyn has an agenda which means that he is willing to play hardball to control the labour party and create the conditions for a general election where he will have a true mandate to create a nationalised socialist state. I don’t agree with his methods but I do understand and to a certain extent agree with his aims and I think his unwillingness to engage with the media are the result of years of being abused by them. He is not afraid of the media, he just chooses not to play their game. The fact that he talks to palestinans who are avowedly anti semitic surely means that he has an enquiring mind rather than being a supporter of their cause. I mean lets face it, Gordon Brown called that lady a bigot instead of engaging with her and that was probably a pivotal point for the collapse of old labour and the rise of ukip. Just my opinion but that was a terrible moment handled badly by the party and demonstrated a lack of empathy that bit them and the country hard. "
I agree with you.He's playing to win and they tories would do the same if they were in opposition. Standard .  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"As a Labour supporter all my life (even through the independence), I have to say the silence from Corbyn is shocking.
All you leaning lefties who thought he was the messiah have only done to the Labour party what Brexit people have done to the UK...Fooked it.
Unfortunately now I see only one road. Scottish independence and the end of the coalition of states once called the UK."
I would hate to see the union break up but you are so right about Corbyn |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would. "
He is a communist so cannot be good for the labour party or this country
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would. He is a communist so cannot be good for the labour party or this country"
He’s not a communist though.
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would. He is a communist so cannot be good for the labour party or this country"
All this demonstrates is that you have no idea what a communist actually is.
Corbyn is centre left, the Blairites are centre right.
Labour's manifesto under Corbyn is to the right of Edward Heath's Tory manifesto of the 70s and is certainly far to the right of Attlee, who's government you have to thank for an awful lot of things. |
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would. "
what world do you live in. Corbyn is a joke
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would.
what world do you live in. Corbyn is a joke "
I live in the real world - not the fantasy spun by my enemy, the corporate mainstream media. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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He has not got a clue what he wants,second referendum he says he does, not at the march though.Says he wants a customs union if thats the case why wont he back mays deal? the erg wont because they dont want to be tied to a customs deal.They cant both be right.He doesnt give a fuck about the country he is obsessed with getting power however much damage he causes to get a chance at his ideological dream which he can see for the first time in his life is within reach.Its time for him to go, get watson in at least he seems to have the countrys interest at heart. |
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"He has not got a clue what he wants,second referendum he says he does, not at the march though.Says he wants a customs union if thats the case why wont he back mays deal? the erg wont because they dont want to be tied to a customs deal.They cant both be right.He doesnt give a fuck about the country he is obsessed with getting power however much damage he causes to get a chance at his ideological dream which he can see for the first time in his life is within reach.Its time for him to go, get watson in at least he seems to have the countrys interest at heart. "
How can you conclude that a bloke who has spent most of his political life voting against the whip, a maverick as he is called be only intent on power?
I like some of the policies but personally think the middle England tories needed to put him in number 10 will not support him.. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"He has not got a clue what he wants,second referendum he says he does, not at the march though.Says he wants a customs union if thats the case why wont he back mays deal? the erg wont because they dont want to be tied to a customs deal.They cant both be right.He doesnt give a fuck about the country he is obsessed with getting power however much damage he causes to get a chance at his ideological dream which he can see for the first time in his life is within reach.Its time for him to go, get watson in at least he seems to have the countrys interest at heart.
How can you conclude that a bloke who has spent most of his political life voting against the whip, a maverick as he is called be only intent on power?
I like some of the policies but personally think the middle England tories needed to put him in number 10 will not support him.. "
quiet easy and if we are not careful we will end up like his idols country Venezuela. |
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Tom Watson doesn't have the countries interest at heart, he's a self serving careerist and always has been. He claims to stand against any anti-semitism but accepted huge sums of money from Max Moseley, the son of the leader of thw British Union of Fascists.
I don't know what people want. When we've had years of choosing between three versions of the same party, with Oxbridge twonks in shiny suits running all three paries with virtually identical neo-liberal centre-right policies, we moan that politics is dead. At last we have someone centre left now to challenge the centre right fix-up which the Blairites and Tories had for two decades
Then we get someone who stands for his principles, doesn't just dress how a special adviser tells him, and actually stands on the basis of what his party membership wants, in line with historic Labour policies. You have the right to oppose him, or vote elsewhere, but you can't say he's damaging democracy.
We have a real choice for a change! Someone who is virulently anti-racist, anti-austerity. |
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"He has not got a clue what he wants,second referendum he says he does, not at the march though.Says he wants a customs union if thats the case why wont he back mays deal? the erg wont because they dont want to be tied to a customs deal.They cant both be right.He doesnt give a fuck about the country he is obsessed with getting power however much damage he causes to get a chance at his ideological dream which he can see for the first time in his life is within reach.Its time for him to go, get watson in at least he seems to have the countrys interest at heart. "
I'm not especially a Corbyn fan. But the amount of nonsense printed about him, and the amount of people that believe it is un presidented.
That alone makes me interested. If the establishment are so against him. He must have something interesting to say. |
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I think it's extremely self indulgent for either party to be talking about changing leader now.
The problem right now is BREXIT, whether we're actually going to have BREXIT and, if so, what type of BREXIT.
There are three possible options
1) Take back control, leave with no deal and risk the economic future of the country.
2)Give up control, leave with a deal that takes us out of the EU but leaves us in the customs union and/or single market but no say on the rules.
3) Share control, we just stay as we are, don't risk our economic future and have an equal and fair say over the rules.
Changing the leader of either party won't change the fundamental choices facing the country now.
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"Tom Watson doesn't have the countries interest at heart, he's a self serving careerist and always has been. He claims to stand against any anti-semitism but accepted huge sums of money from Max Moseley, the son of the leader of thw British Union of Fascists.
I don't know what people want. When we've had years of choosing between three versions of the same party, with Oxbridge twonks in shiny suits running all three paries with virtually identical neo-liberal centre-right policies, we moan that politics is dead. At last we have someone centre left now to challenge the centre right fix-up which the Blairites and Tories had for two decades
Then we get someone who stands for his principles, doesn't just dress how a special adviser tells him, and actually stands on the basis of what his party membership wants, in line with historic Labour policies. You have the right to oppose him, or vote elsewhere, but you can't say he's damaging democracy.
We have a real choice for a change! Someone who is virulently anti-racist, anti-austerity."
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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I'm not especially a Corbyn fan. But the amount of nonsense printed about him, and the amount of people that believe it is un presidented.
That alone makes me interested. If the establishment are so against him. He must have something interesting to say. "
It really backfired in 2017.
The media was on full attack-dog mode.
Hysterical.
They saw Corbyn on the telly.
He’s authentic.
Flawed, of course.
But authentic.
People began to reject the non-stop character assassination.
The right-wing media went so over the top they actually help push up the Labour share of the vote.
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"He has not got a clue what he wants,second referendum he says he does, not at the march though.Says he wants a customs union if thats the case why wont he back mays deal? the erg wont because they dont want to be tied to a customs deal.They cant both be right.He doesnt give a fuck about the country he is obsessed with getting power however much damage he causes to get a chance at his ideological dream which he can see for the first time in his life is within reach.Its time for him to go, get watson in at least he seems to have the countrys interest at heart.
I'm not especially a Corbyn fan. But the amount of nonsense printed about him, and the amount of people that believe it is un presidented.
That alone makes me interested. If the establishment are so against him. He must have something interesting to say. "
I'm definitely not a fan of Jeremy but agree that the amount of nonsense printed about him is unpresidented and that that alone makes me interested. However, just because the so called establishment are so against him does not necessarily mean he has anything interesting to say at all. Either is arguments are interesting and convincing on their merit or they are not, regardless of who else supports or opposes them. Currently I'm interested but still a very, very, very long way from being convinced.
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"He has not got a clue what he wants,second referendum he says he does, not at the march though.Says he wants a customs union if thats the case why wont he back mays deal? the erg wont because they dont want to be tied to a customs deal.They cant both be right.He doesnt give a fuck about the country he is obsessed with getting power however much damage he causes to get a chance at his ideological dream which he can see for the first time in his life is within reach.Its time for him to go, get watson in at least he seems to have the countrys interest at heart.
I'm not especially a Corbyn fan. But the amount of nonsense printed about him, and the amount of people that believe it is un presidented.
That alone makes me interested. If the establishment are so against him. He must have something interesting to say.
I'm definitely not a fan of Jeremy but agree that the amount of nonsense printed about him is unpresidented and that that alone makes me interested. However, just because the so called establishment are so against him does not necessarily mean he has anything interesting to say at all. Either is arguments are interesting and convincing on their merit or they are not, regardless of who else supports or opposes them. Currently I'm interested but still a very, very, very long way from being convinced.
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We can never be 100% convinced as none of us can know for sure what the future holds. But a Corbyn led Labour Party is offering a change from the successive neoliberal governments that society has suffered under for decades.
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would. "
He is no different to anyother MP. He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself, his career and how he is perceived. Plus he cycles the wrong way up one way roads which makes him an even bigger c*** than the rest of them. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"He has not got a clue what he wants,second referendum he says he does, not at the march though.Says he wants a customs union if thats the case why wont he back mays deal? the erg wont because they dont want to be tied to a customs deal.They cant both be right.He doesnt give a fuck about the country he is obsessed with getting power however much damage he causes to get a chance at his ideological dream which he can see for the first time in his life is within reach.Its time for him to go, get watson in at least he seems to have the countrys interest at heart.
How can you conclude that a bloke who has spent most of his political life voting against the whip, a maverick as he is called be only intent on power?
I like some of the policies but personally think the middle England tories needed to put him in number 10 will not support him.. quiet easy and if we are not careful we will end up like his idols country Venezuela."
You think that America are going to orchestrate massive trade embargoes on us?
Because you can't really understand Venezuela without the context of the USA trying to starve it's population into submission. |
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would.
He is no different to anyother MP. He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself, his career and how he is perceived. Plus he cycles the wrong way up one way roads which makes him an even bigger c*** than the rest of them."
That really couldn’t be any less true.
He’s stood up for normal people his whole life. Look at his voting record - it’s not the voting record of a career politician out for themselves. It’s the opposite.
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would.
He is no different to anyother MP. He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself, his career and how he is perceived. Plus he cycles the wrong way up one way roads which makes him an even bigger c*** than the rest of them.
That really couldn’t be any less true.
He’s stood up for normal people his whole life. Look at his voting record - it’s not the voting record of a career politician out for themselves. It’s the opposite.
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would.
He is no different to anyother MP. He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself, his career and how he is perceived. Plus he cycles the wrong way up one way roads which makes him an even bigger c*** than the rest of them.
That really couldn’t be any less true.
He’s stood up for normal people his whole life. Look at his voting record - it’s not the voting record of a career politician out for themselves. It’s the opposite.
As long as they aren't Jewish "
Again, that’s the complete opposite of the truth.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would. He is a communist so cannot be good for the labour party or this country
All this demonstrates is that you have no idea what a communist actually is.
Corbyn is centre left, the Blairites are centre right.
Labour's manifesto under Corbyn is to the right of Edward Heath's Tory manifesto of the 70s and is certainly far to the right of Attlee, who's government you have to thank for an awful lot of things. "
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would.
He is no different to anyother MP. He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself, his career and how he is perceived. Plus he cycles the wrong way up one way roads which makes him an even bigger c*** than the rest of them.
That really couldn’t be any less true.
He’s stood up for normal people his whole life. Look at his voting record - it’s not the voting record of a career politician out for themselves. It’s the opposite.
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Hes a protester nothing more likes to go against the grain, very good at opposing but as i said before has an ideological dream which have all been tried before and even the commies have come to the conclusion it dont work.His sidekick mcdonnell broke the glc when he was in charge of finance fuck knows what he would do to the country. |
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would.
He is no different to anyother MP. He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself, his career and how he is perceived. Plus he cycles the wrong way up one way roads which makes him an even bigger c*** than the rest of them.
That really couldn’t be any less true.
He’s stood up for normal people his whole life. Look at his voting record - it’s not the voting record of a career politician out for themselves. It’s the opposite.
Hes a protester nothing more likes to go against the grain, very good at opposing but as i said before has an ideological dream which have all been tried before and even the commies have come to the conclusion it dont work.His sidekick mcdonnell broke the glc when he was in charge of finance fuck knows what he would do to the country."
The reason I and many others like him is ‘because’ he protests injustices and goes against the neoliberal grain.
“has an ideological dream which have all been tried before”
Yes, we have the NHS because of that same ideological dream - without it millions of us would never have been here at all.
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By *ostafunMan
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would.
He is no different to anyother MP. He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself, his career and how he is perceived. Plus he cycles the wrong way up one way roads which makes him an even bigger c*** than the rest of them.
That really couldn’t be any less true.
He’s stood up for normal people his whole life. Look at his voting record - it’s not the voting record of a career politician out for themselves. It’s the opposite.
Hes a protester nothing more likes to go against the grain, very good at opposing but as i said before has an ideological dream which have all been tried before and even the commies have come to the conclusion it dont work.His sidekick mcdonnell broke the glc when he was in charge of finance fuck knows what he would do to the country.
The reason I and many others like him is ‘because’ he protests injustices and goes against the neoliberal grain.
“has an ideological dream which have all been tried before”
Yes, we have the NHS because of that same ideological dream - without it millions of us would never have been here at all.
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Fuck me is that all you have got,yes everyone knows labour started the nhs get over it they dont own it.I for one dont want to go back to the days of nationalized companies,unions running the country holding the country to ransom and closed shops.Im hoping those days are long gone. |
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would.
He is no different to anyother MP. He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself, his career and how he is perceived. Plus he cycles the wrong way up one way roads which makes him an even bigger c*** than the rest of them.
That really couldn’t be any less true.
He’s stood up for normal people his whole life. Look at his voting record - it’s not the voting record of a career politician out for themselves. It’s the opposite.
Hes a protester nothing more likes to go against the grain, very good at opposing but as i said before has an ideological dream which have all been tried before and even the commies have come to the conclusion it dont work.His sidekick mcdonnell broke the glc when he was in charge of finance fuck knows what he would do to the country.
The reason I and many others like him is ‘because’ he protests injustices and goes against the neoliberal grain.
“has an ideological dream which have all been tried before”
Yes, we have the NHS because of that same ideological dream - without it millions of us would never have been here at all.
Fuck me is that all you have got,yes everyone knows labour started the nhs get over it they dont own it.I for one dont want to go back to the days of nationalized companies,unions running the country holding the country to ransom and closed shops.Im hoping those days are long gone. "
Bloody hell! It's not about the fact that the Labour party introduced it, it's that only a socialist government would do that.
You seem to be happy to have a socialist health service, I assume that you are happy that we have a socialised police force that we pay for through taxation and control through politics, same with the military, same with the BBC?
I don't understand why you want to have weak unions too. The only people who should want weak unions are exploitative bosses. Unless you are a boss who employs lots of people and wants to extort as much profit out of them as possible then this makes no sense. |
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"He speaks with way too much spite for me ever to trust him, as does his deputy, it's hateful to hear. "
I’ve never heard him speak in spite.
It’s one of his greatest qualities as a person. I wouldn’t be able to hold back on people myself but I recognise great restraint in him because of this.
He’d make a great leader. |
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would.
He is no different to anyother MP. He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself, his career and how he is perceived. Plus he cycles the wrong way up one way roads which makes him an even bigger c*** than the rest of them.
That really couldn’t be any less true.
He’s stood up for normal people his whole life. Look at his voting record - it’s not the voting record of a career politician out for themselves. It’s the opposite.
Hes a protester nothing more likes to go against the grain, very good at opposing but as i said before has an ideological dream which have all been tried before and even the commies have come to the conclusion it dont work.His sidekick mcdonnell broke the glc when he was in charge of finance fuck knows what he would do to the country.
The reason I and many others like him is ‘because’ he protests injustices and goes against the neoliberal grain.
“has an ideological dream which have all been tried before”
Yes, we have the NHS because of that same ideological dream - without it millions of us would never have been here at all.
Fuck me is that all you have got,yes everyone knows labour started the nhs get over it they dont own it.I for one dont want to go back to the days of nationalized companies,unions running the country holding the country to ransom and closed shops.Im hoping those days are long gone.
Bloody hell! It's not about the fact that the Labour party introduced it, it's that only a socialist government would do that.
You seem to be happy to have a socialist health service, I assume that you are happy that we have a socialised police force that we pay for through taxation and control through politics, same with the military, same with the BBC?
I don't understand why you want to have weak unions too. The only people who should want weak unions are exploitative bosses. Unless you are a boss who employs lots of people and wants to extort as much profit out of them as possible then this makes no sense."
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"He speaks with way too much spite for me ever to trust him, as does his deputy, it's hateful to hear.
I’ve never heard him speak in spite.
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Every time he 'opposes' the government or May he is spiteful - it's so repellant. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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If you listen to the media ( TV , radio , papers ) I believe that your opinion of Jeremy Corbyn will be somewhat different to someone who actually listens to what he says and makes up their own mind |
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"He speaks with way too much spite for me ever to trust him, as does his deputy, it's hateful to hear.
I’ve never heard him speak in spite.
Every time he 'opposes' the government or May he is spiteful - it's so repellant."
Not seen him being spiteful myself.
He obviously doesn’t like the government as they are killing people by the hundreds of thousands every few years with their ideological cuts, however I’ve not seen him being spiteful about it.
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"If you listen to the media ( TV , radio , papers ) I believe that your opinion of Jeremy Corbyn will be somewhat different to someone who actually listens to what he says and makes up their own mind "
I agree.
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would.
He is no different to anyother MP. He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself, his career and how he is perceived. Plus he cycles the wrong way up one way roads which makes him an even bigger c*** than the rest of them.
That really couldn’t be any less true.
He’s stood up for normal people his whole life. Look at his voting record - it’s not the voting record of a career politician out for themselves. It’s the opposite.
Hes a protester nothing more likes to go against the grain, very good at opposing but as i said before has an ideological dream which have all been tried before and even the commies have come to the conclusion it dont work.His sidekick mcdonnell broke the glc when he was in charge of finance fuck knows what he would do to the country.
The reason I and many others like him is ‘because’ he protests injustices and goes against the neoliberal grain.
“has an ideological dream which have all been tried before”
Yes, we have the NHS because of that same ideological dream - without it millions of us would never have been here at all.
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Beveridge was a Liberal and is the true father of the modern welfare state.
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"If you listen to the media ( TV , radio , papers ) I believe that your opinion of Jeremy Corbyn will be somewhat different to someone who actually listens to what he says and makes up their own mind
I agree.
People should really consider who owns the mainstream media. They are our natural enemy. "
Corbyn doesn't come across to me as a particularly spiteful person but neither do I feel he's particularly good as a party leader. His handling of two of the biggest issues to confront Labour since he was elected leader, namely anti-Semitism and BREXIT, does inspired me with any confidence.
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"As a Labour supporter all my life (even through the independence), I have to say the silence from Corbyn is shocking.
All you leaning lefties who thought he was the messiah have only done to the Labour party what Brexit people have done to the UK...Fooked it.
Unfortunately now I see only one road. Scottish independence and the end of the coalition of states once called the UK.I would hate to see the union break up but you are so right about Corbyn"
Says the person who fully supports the one thing that will probably cause the union to break up... |
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"He speaks with way too much spite for me ever to trust him, as does his deputy, it's hateful to hear.
I’ve never heard him speak in spite.
Every time he 'opposes' the government or May he is spiteful - it's so repellant."
So the the government of Mrs May has refused to talk about leaving the EU with Corbyn right up until now when they finally realise that they cannot deliver a deal and have treated him with contempt has no bearing upon his manner? I would suggest he is exasperated by their ineptitude and that he finds it difficult to conceal that. He is a human being and allowed to let his emotions outnow and again. Oh and dont forget that the press barons hate him so choose to use whatever way they can to attack him like showing him at his worst. You dont have to like him but dont reduce your argument to “he doesnt sound like a very nice man” - he is a hard working and honest individual unlike many politicians and I admire his work ethic even though I wouldnt want to spend much time in his company whereas you I could spend plenty of time setting the world to rights with  |
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"If you listen to the media ( TV , radio , papers ) I believe that your opinion of Jeremy Corbyn will be somewhat different to someone who actually listens to what he says and makes up their own mind
I agree.
People should really consider who owns the mainstream media. They are our natural enemy.
Corbyn doesn't come across to me as a particularly spiteful person but neither do I feel he's particularly good as a party leader. His handling of two of the biggest issues to confront Labour since he was elected leader, namely anti-Semitism and BREXIT, does inspired me with any confidence.
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I think may is in power not Corbyn and her handling of Brexit has been disaster her handling of grenfell was hideous and her handling of Windrush lamentable.
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We can talk about who he has associated himself with and how he has dealt (or not) with antisemitism.
We can also talk about the shifting position (or lack of clarity) on Brexit. However when Corbyn states that it is a time for the Government to seek a cross party consensus and that there should be talks to reach an acceptable solution at a time when the national interest should come first, he throws his toys out of the pram when Chukka Umunna turns up at Downing Street as part of the "all viewpoints" meeting.
He simply could not practice what he preached.
Cross party consensus? Only when it suits.
Putting the country first? Only when it suits.
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Sorry, that'll be chukka amuna who has treacherously left the labour party to try and create a new sdp at a crucial time in history thereby destabilising further the disaster that is brexit? Splitter!  |
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He is the Leader of the Labour Party, not sure if he needs to go. That is really for the Labour Party to decide. I am disappointed in his lack of qualities as a Leader though - John McDonnell and Tom Watson have been much better. It is sad that when the country needed someone to take a stand against the Maybot he has been found lacking. It is rubbish to say he has a plan, he is not a fan of remaining and to be honest Nicola Sturgeon has been the most effective counterpoint over the past 3 years. |
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Labour should currently be streets ahead in the Polls because of the dire performance by the Tories and the Disapperance of the UKIP and whatever the Liberals are called at the moment. The one reason Labour are not streets ahead is Corbyn... |
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"Sorry, that'll be chukka amuna who has treacherously left the labour party to try and create a new sdp at a crucial time in history thereby destabilising further the disaster that is brexit? Splitter! "
I agree that Umunna is not voteworthy.
But you seem to agree that with Corbyn that the consensus should be on party political lunes only...despite all his soundbytes about getting consensus and putting the country first, it appears that Corbyn is not prepared to practice what he preaches.
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would.
He is no different to anyother MP. He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself, his career and how he is perceived. Plus he cycles the wrong way up one way roads which makes him an even bigger c*** than the rest of them.
That really couldn’t be any less true.
He’s stood up for normal people his whole life. Look at his voting record - it’s not the voting record of a career politician out for themselves. It’s the opposite.
Hes a protester nothing more likes to go against the grain, very good at opposing but as i said before has an ideological dream which have all been tried before and even the commies have come to the conclusion it dont work.His sidekick mcdonnell broke the glc when he was in charge of finance fuck knows what he would do to the country.
The reason I and many others like him is ‘because’ he protests injustices and goes against the neoliberal grain.
“has an ideological dream which have all been tried before”
Yes, we have the NHS because of that same ideological dream - without it millions of us would never have been here at all.
Beveridge was a Liberal and is the true father of the modern welfare state.
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Yes, he was in the Liberal party. Where’s the contradiction? |
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"He’s the best person to lead the Labour Party because he genuinely wants Britain to be a better place for the people - but this is also why he has a much harder task in leading than others would. He is a communist so cannot be good for the labour party or this country"
He's a lot of things, but communist isnt one of them |
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The right smear anyone with the word communit or marxist.
The word these dribbling minds are looking for is socialist. .
The problem with this word for the right wing lemons is we are all social and believe in the betterment of society. |
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"Sorry, that'll be chukka amuna who has treacherously left the labour party to try and create a new sdp at a crucial time in history thereby destabilising further the disaster that is brexit? Splitter!
I agree that Umunna is not voteworthy.
But you seem to agree that with Corbyn that the consensus should be on party political lunes only...despite all his soundbytes about getting consensus and putting the country first, it appears that Corbyn is not prepared to practice what he preaches.
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No, my point was that to divide the opposition at this critical point was hubris on the part of the new sdp or whatever they choose to call themselves and I can understand why Corbyn reacted to May inviting them to the party. In my opinion it was a tactic by the maybot to lay off blame on Corbyn and he wasnt about to play into her hands. There are many things about JC that are difficult and exasperating but he always thinks in great depth about his decisions before he acts so the media and tory party’s attempts to cast it off as sour grapes are shallow and divisive - Tresemme and the tories want to win at any cost because they know that they are fucked for years if they fail. This is historic and the majority of voters do not realise how close we are to destroying our parliamentary system but then maybe it should fall, after all PR is long overdue in this country and would be a fairer way of representing the people. I doubt Brexit would have happened if we had it! |
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"Sorry, that'll be chukka amuna who has treacherously left the labour party to try and create a new sdp at a crucial time in history thereby destabilising further the disaster that is brexit? Splitter!
I agree that Umunna is not voteworthy.
But you seem to agree that with Corbyn that the consensus should be on party political lunes only...despite all his soundbytes about getting consensus and putting the country first, it appears that Corbyn is not prepared to practice what he preaches.
No, my point was that to divide the opposition at this critical point was hubris on the part of the new sdp or whatever they choose to call themselves and I can understand why Corbyn reacted to May inviting them to the party. In my opinion it was a tactic by the maybot to lay off blame on Corbyn and he wasnt about to play into her hands. There are many things about JC that are difficult and exasperating but he always thinks in great depth about his decisions before he acts so the media and tory party’s attempts to cast it off as sour grapes are shallow and divisive - Tresemme and the tories want to win at any cost because they know that they are fucked for years if they fail. This is historic and the majority of voters do not realise how close we are to destroying our parliamentary system but then maybe it should fall, after all PR is long overdue in this country and would be a fairer way of representing the people. I doubt Brexit would have happened if we had it!"
I simply don't buy into the assumption that Corbyn is looking for consensus. If he was, he would be leading and showing the Chukka's of this world that he had a realistic plan and was able to lead on that. Instead, he walked out.
If he had stayed and put forward his view along with crushing the TIGs, his tactic would have backfired on the Tories spectacularly.
But he didn't have the sense nor the ability to steer away from form. |
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"he would be leading and showing the Chukka's of this world that he had a realistic plan and was able to lead on that. Instead, he walked out. "
Ah right, Mrs May calls a meeting of the leaders of the Westminster opposition POLITICAL PARTIES and a director of a limited company registered in a tax haven walks in and you think JC should have stayed! I think that every other person in the room should have walked out with him rather than giving some sort of legitimacy to Chukka! |
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over a year ago
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"he would be leading and showing the Chukka's of this world that he had a realistic plan and was able to lead on that. Instead, he walked out.
Ah right, Mrs May calls a meeting of the leaders of the Westminster opposition POLITICAL PARTIES and a director of a limited company registered in a tax haven walks in and you think JC should have stayed! I think that every other person in the room should have walked out with him rather than giving some sort of legitimacy to Chukka!"
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over a year ago
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"he would be leading and showing the Chukka's of this world that he had a realistic plan and was able to lead on that. Instead, he walked out.
Ah right, Mrs May calls a meeting of the leaders of the Westminster opposition POLITICAL PARTIES and a director of a limited company registered in a tax haven walks in and you think JC should have stayed! I think that every other person in the room should have walked out with him rather than giving some sort of legitimacy to Chukka!
What Tax Haven based company is CU a Director of? "
The Independent Group - They are not (yet) a political party.
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"he would be leading and showing the Chukka's of this world that he had a realistic plan and was able to lead on that. Instead, he walked out.
Ah right, Mrs May calls a meeting of the leaders of the Westminster opposition POLITICAL PARTIES and a director of a limited company registered in a tax haven walks in and you think JC should have stayed! I think that every other person in the room should have walked out with him rather than giving some sort of legitimacy to Chukka!
What Tax Haven based company is CU a Director of?
The Independent Group - They are not (yet) a political party.
Corbyn didn't walk out because Chukka was there though."
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over a year ago
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"he would be leading and showing the Chukka's of this world that he had a realistic plan and was able to lead on that. Instead, he walked out.
Ah right, Mrs May calls a meeting of the leaders of the Westminster opposition POLITICAL PARTIES and a director of a limited company registered in a tax haven walks in and you think JC should have stayed! I think that every other person in the room should have walked out with him rather than giving some sort of legitimacy to Chukka!
What Tax Haven based company is CU a Director of?
The Independent Group - They are not (yet) a political party.
Corbyn didn't walk out because Chukka was there though."
The Independent Group Ltd is registered in London, hardly a tax haven.
CU is not listed as a Director. He is the official spokesperson. |
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"If you listen to the media ( TV , radio , papers ) I believe that your opinion of Jeremy Corbyn will be somewhat different to someone who actually listens to what he says and makes up their own mind
I agree.
People should really consider who owns the mainstream media. They are our natural enemy.
Corbyn doesn't come across to me as a particularly spiteful person but neither do I feel he's particularly good as a party leader. His handling of two of the biggest issues to confront Labour since he was elected leader, namely anti-Semitism and BREXIT, does inspired me with any confidence.
I think may is in power not Corbyn and her handling of Brexit has been disaster her handling of grenfell was hideous and her handling of Windrush lamentable.
How exactly does this inspire you with confidence. I doubt it does but you'll still vote tory over labour."
I'm not sure I would actually. However I'd be even more inclined to vote Labour if it had opposed BREXIT, and in particular 'no deal' BREXIT, more effectively. BREXIT should have been a gift for Labour to take advantagev of but it has spectacularly failed to do so. As it stands we have probably the most incompetent and inept Government since 1688 and Labour is at best level pegging in the poles. You have to ask yourself why. And blaming the media, while you have a point, doesn't explain it because Wilson, Kinnock and Blair all did better with a media that was just as hostile. Either the problem is Corbyn, the Labour Party itself, or both. Either way burying your head in the sand and looking for a solution outside of Labour itself is not going get you the Labour government you want and, more importantly, get rid of this current Government.
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"He is the Leader of the Labour Party, not sure if he needs to go. That is really for the Labour Party to decide. I am disappointed in his lack of qualities as a Leader though - John McDonnell and Tom Watson have been much better. It is sad that when the country needed someone to take a stand against the Maybot he has been found lacking. It is rubbish to say he has a plan, he is not a fan of remaining and to be honest Nicola Sturgeon has been the most effective counterpoint over the past 3 years."
I reluctantly have to agree.
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By *estivalMan
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if corbyn couldnt beat the tories in 2017 he never will beat them.the way the tories have been the last five years you would of thought even a dog turd could of beaten them.if labour want to get to number ten they ned a new leader and fast |
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"he would be leading and showing the Chukka's of this world that he had a realistic plan and was able to lead on that. Instead, he walked out.
Ah right, Mrs May calls a meeting of the leaders of the Westminster opposition POLITICAL PARTIES and a director of a limited company registered in a tax haven walks in and you think JC should have stayed! I think that every other person in the room should have walked out with him rather than giving some sort of legitimacy to Chukka!"
Chukka doesn't need legitimacy from Corbyn. Amongst most in and around the liberal centre he has more legitimacy than Corbyn already. It takes a certain amount of courage to risk your political career to stand up against your party. Loyalty to one's principles and the country should always come before party loyalty. I would have thought, if nothing else, Corbyn should have been able to understand that.
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"he would be leading and showing the Chukka's of this world that he had a realistic plan and was able to lead on that. Instead, he walked out.
Ah right, Mrs May calls a meeting of the leaders of the Westminster opposition POLITICAL PARTIES and a director of a limited company registered in a tax haven walks in and you think JC should have stayed! I think that every other person in the room should have walked out with him rather than giving some sort of legitimacy to Chukka!
What Tax Haven based company is CU a Director of?
The Independent Group - They are not (yet) a political party.
Corbyn didn't walk out because Chukka was there though.
That's a fair point. "
So why did he walk out then?
However, whatever the reason, I think tactically it was the wrong move; a bit like when he refused to meet May after the first meaningful vote. In itself it's not disastrous but it's starting to become a bit of a pattern of bad tactics and missed opportunities.
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"If you listen to the media ( TV , radio , papers ) I believe that your opinion of Jeremy Corbyn will be somewhat different to someone who actually listens to what he says and makes up their own mind
I agree.
People should really consider who owns the mainstream media. They are our natural enemy.
Corbyn doesn't come across to me as a particularly spiteful person but neither do I feel he's particularly good as a party leader. His handling of two of the biggest issues to confront Labour since he was elected leader, namely anti-Semitism and BREXIT, does inspired me with any confidence.
I think may is in power not Corbyn and her handling of Brexit has been disaster her handling of grenfell was hideous and her handling of Windrush lamentable.
How exactly does this inspire you with confidence. I doubt it does but you'll still vote tory over labour.
I'm not sure I would actually. However I'd be even more inclined to vote Labour if it had opposed BREXIT, and in particular 'no deal' BREXIT, more effectively. BREXIT should have been a gift for Labour to take advantagev of but it has spectacularly failed to do so. As it stands we have probably the most incompetent and inept Government since 1688 and Labour is at best level pegging in the poles. You have to ask yourself why. And blaming the media, while you have a point, doesn't explain it because Wilson, Kinnock and Blair all did better with a media that was just as hostile. Either the problem is Corbyn, the Labour Party itself, or both. Either way burying your head in the sand and looking for a solution outside of Labour itself is not going get you the Labour government you want and, more importantly, get rid of this current Government.
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I think the electorate have taken a giant step to the right over the past 5 years. Unless labour become conservative lite in the same vein as Tony Blair they'll struggle.Labour needs some radical policy to get the apathetic to vote for them because the middle classes are far too right wing to entertain corbyn. The Tories on the other have moved themselves to the right inline with the public mood.Which has forced the kippers to embrace the far right.
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"He is the Leader of the Labour Party, not sure if he needs to go. That is really for the Labour Party to decide. I am disappointed in his lack of qualities as a Leader though - John McDonnell and Tom Watson have been much better. It is sad that when the country needed someone to take a stand against the Maybot he has been found lacking. It is rubbish to say he has a plan, he is not a fan of remaining and to be honest Nicola Sturgeon has been the most effective counterpoint over the past 3 years.
I reluctantly have to agree.
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All we need now is the SNP to field candidates in England, Wales & NI and we’re sorted! |
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"He is the Leader of the Labour Party, not sure if he needs to go. That is really for the Labour Party to decide. I am disappointed in his lack of qualities as a Leader though - John McDonnell and Tom Watson have been much better. It is sad that when the country needed someone to take a stand against the Maybot he has been found lacking. It is rubbish to say he has a plan, he is not a fan of remaining and to be honest Nicola Sturgeon has been the most effective counterpoint over the past 3 years.
I reluctantly have to agree.
All we need now is the SNP to field candidates in England, Wales & NI and we’re sorted! "
. I would have voted SNP in 2015 had they had candidates in England , Although this may sound strange , it must be pointed out that if English constituencies had elected DUP MPs in 2017 they would have received more tax payers ( our ) money for their area via the Tory magic money tree |
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"He speaks with way too much spite for me ever to trust him, as does his deputy, it's hateful to hear.
I’ve never heard him speak in spite.
Every time he 'opposes' the government or May he is spiteful - it's so repellant.
So the the government of Mrs May has refused to talk about leaving the EU with Corbyn right up until now when they finally realise that they cannot deliver a deal and have treated him with contempt has no bearing upon his manner? I would suggest he is exasperated by their ineptitude and that he finds it difficult to conceal that. He is a human being and allowed to let his emotions outnow and again. Oh and dont forget that the press barons hate him so choose to use whatever way they can to attack him like showing him at his worst. You dont have to like him but dont reduce your argument to “he doesnt sound like a very nice man” - he is a hard working and honest individual unlike many politicians and I admire his work ethic even though I wouldnt want to spend much time in his company whereas you I could spend plenty of time setting the world to rights with "
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"He speaks with way too much spite for me ever to trust him, as does his deputy, it's hateful to hear.
I’ve never heard him speak in spite.
Every time he 'opposes' the government or May he is spiteful - it's so repellant.
So the the government of Mrs May has refused to talk about leaving the EU with Corbyn right up until now when they finally realise that they cannot deliver a deal and have treated him with contempt has no bearing upon his manner? I would suggest he is exasperated by their ineptitude and that he finds it difficult to conceal that. He is a human being and allowed to let his emotions outnow and again. Oh and dont forget that the press barons hate him so choose to use whatever way they can to attack him like showing him at his worst. You dont have to like him but dont reduce your argument to “he doesnt sound like a very nice man” - he is a hard working and honest individual unlike many politicians and I admire his work ethic even though I wouldnt want to spend much time in his company whereas you I could spend plenty of time setting the world to rights with
I disagree - I judge men on their character, and I find his severely lacking."
From his portrayal by the mainstream media?
Are you fond of the people who own UK MSM particularly? Do you share any mutual interests with them whatsoever?
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"He speaks with way too much spite for me ever to trust him, as does his deputy, it's hateful to hear.
I’ve never heard him speak in spite.
Every time he 'opposes' the government or May he is spiteful - it's so repellant.
So the the government of Mrs May has refused to talk about leaving the EU with Corbyn right up until now when they finally realise that they cannot deliver a deal and have treated him with contempt has no bearing upon his manner? I would suggest he is exasperated by their ineptitude and that he finds it difficult to conceal that. He is a human being and allowed to let his emotions outnow and again. Oh and dont forget that the press barons hate him so choose to use whatever way they can to attack him like showing him at his worst. You dont have to like him but dont reduce your argument to “he doesnt sound like a very nice man” - he is a hard working and honest individual unlike many politicians and I admire his work ethic even though I wouldnt want to spend much time in his company whereas you I could spend plenty of time setting the world to rights with
I disagree - I judge men on their character, and I find his severely lacking.
From his portrayal by the mainstream media?
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"He speaks with way too much spite for me ever to trust him, as does his deputy, it's hateful to hear.
I’ve never heard him speak in spite.
Every time he 'opposes' the government or May he is spiteful - it's so repellant.
So the the government of Mrs May has refused to talk about leaving the EU with Corbyn right up until now when they finally realise that they cannot deliver a deal and have treated him with contempt has no bearing upon his manner? I would suggest he is exasperated by their ineptitude and that he finds it difficult to conceal that. He is a human being and allowed to let his emotions outnow and again. Oh and dont forget that the press barons hate him so choose to use whatever way they can to attack him like showing him at his worst. You dont have to like him but dont reduce your argument to “he doesnt sound like a very nice man” - he is a hard working and honest individual unlike many politicians and I admire his work ethic even though I wouldnt want to spend much time in his company whereas you I could spend plenty of time setting the world to rights with
I disagree - I judge men on their character, and I find his severely lacking.
From his portrayal by the mainstream media?
From the vitriol I hear spewing from his mouth."
We have a government that is killing us at a rate of a 100 people a day - or a few hundred thousand of us every 3 - 4 years with their cruel ideology geared towards the super rich.
Anything to say about them?
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"The Independent Group Ltd is registered in London, hardly a tax haven.
CU is not listed as a Director. He is the official spokesperson."
Thats because TIG Ltd is a non trading shell company with a value of £1 and the company into which all 'donations' are fed is Panamanian registered. Just to be clear as soon as TIG registrar as a political party by law they have to declare all donations and show accounts, at present those rules do not apply as they are a private limited company. |
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"The Independent Group Ltd is registered in London, hardly a tax haven.
CU is not listed as a Director. He is the official spokesperson.
Thats because TIG Ltd is a non trading shell company with a value of £1 and the company into which all 'donations' are fed is Panamanian registered. Just to be clear as soon as TIG registrar as a political party by law they have to declare all donations and show accounts, at present those rules do not apply as they are a private limited company."
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"He speaks with way too much spite for me ever to trust him, as does his deputy, it's hateful to hear.
I’ve never heard him speak in spite.
Every time he 'opposes' the government or May he is spiteful - it's so repellant.
So the the government of Mrs May has refused to talk about leaving the EU with Corbyn right up until now when they finally realise that they cannot deliver a deal and have treated him with contempt has no bearing upon his manner? I would suggest he is exasperated by their ineptitude and that he finds it difficult to conceal that. He is a human being and allowed to let his emotions outnow and again. Oh and dont forget that the press barons hate him so choose to use whatever way they can to attack him like showing him at his worst. You dont have to like him but dont reduce your argument to “he doesnt sound like a very nice man” - he is a hard working and honest individual unlike many politicians and I admire his work ethic even though I wouldnt want to spend much time in his company whereas you I could spend plenty of time setting the world to rights with
I disagree - I judge men on their character, and I find his severely lacking."
Ooh I suspect that you might be more impressed by the character of bojo? JC does come across most of the time as angry and humourless but he is scrupulous and fearsomely honest which is a very uncommon thing in politics. It might be worth your while tracking down his contribution to the obituary for Jeremy hardy (the late lamented and lovely comedian) on radio 4, who was a great personal friend of JC, in order to give you an insight to the man behind the politician. (don't forget that it is his job to oppose those in power and if he doesnt sound nice doing that then surely hes doing it right!) |
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"He speaks with way too much spite for me ever to trust him, as does his deputy, it's hateful to hear.
I’ve never heard him speak in spite.
Every time he 'opposes' the government or May he is spiteful - it's so repellant.
So the the government of Mrs May has refused to talk about leaving the EU with Corbyn right up until now when they finally realise that they cannot deliver a deal and have treated him with contempt has no bearing upon his manner? I would suggest he is exasperated by their ineptitude and that he finds it difficult to conceal that. He is a human being and allowed to let his emotions outnow and again. Oh and dont forget that the press barons hate him so choose to use whatever way they can to attack him like showing him at his worst. You dont have to like him but dont reduce your argument to “he doesnt sound like a very nice man” - he is a hard working and honest individual unlike many politicians and I admire his work ethic even though I wouldnt want to spend much time in his company whereas you I could spend plenty of time setting the world to rights with
I disagree - I judge men on their character, and I find his severely lacking.
Ooh I suspect that you might be more impressed by the character of bojo? JC does come across most of the time as angry and humourless but he is scrupulous and fearsomely honest which is a very uncommon thing in politics. It might be worth your while tracking down his contribution to the obituary for Jeremy hardy (the late lamented and lovely comedian) on radio 4, who was a great personal friend of JC, in order to give you an insight to the man behind the politician. (don't forget that it is his job to oppose those in power and if he doesnt sound nice doing that then surely hes doing it right!) "
It's not just to oppose though is it, just opposing everything is counter productive.
Oppose with alternative workable plans yes. |
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"He speaks with way too much spite for me ever to trust him, as does his deputy, it's hateful to hear.
I’ve never heard him speak in spite.
Every time he 'opposes' the government or May he is spiteful - it's so repellant.
So the the government of Mrs May has refused to talk about leaving the EU with Corbyn right up until now when they finally realise that they cannot deliver a deal and have treated him with contempt has no bearing upon his manner? I would suggest he is exasperated by their ineptitude and that he finds it difficult to conceal that. He is a human being and allowed to let his emotions outnow and again. Oh and dont forget that the press barons hate him so choose to use whatever way they can to attack him like showing him at his worst. You dont have to like him but dont reduce your argument to “he doesnt sound like a very nice man” - he is a hard working and honest individual unlike many politicians and I admire his work ethic even though I wouldnt want to spend much time in his company whereas you I could spend plenty of time setting the world to rights with
I disagree - I judge men on their character, and I find his severely lacking.
Ooh I suspect that you might be more impressed by the character of bojo? JC does come across most of the time as angry and humourless but he is scrupulous and fearsomely honest which is a very uncommon thing in politics. It might be worth your while tracking down his contribution to the obituary for Jeremy hardy (the late lamented and lovely comedian) on radio 4, who was a great personal friend of JC, in order to give you an insight to the man behind the politician. (don't forget that it is his job to oppose those in power and if he doesnt sound nice doing that then surely hes doing it right!)
It's not just to oppose though is it, just opposing everything is counter productive.
Oppose with alternative workable plans yes. "
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"he would be leading and showing the Chukka's of this world that he had a realistic plan and was able to lead on that. Instead, he walked out.
Ah right, Mrs May calls a meeting of the leaders of the Westminster opposition POLITICAL PARTIES and a director of a limited company registered in a tax haven walks in and you think JC should have stayed! I think that every other person in the room should have walked out with him rather than giving some sort of legitimacy to Chukka!
What Tax Haven based company is CU a Director of?
The Independent Group - They are not (yet) a political party.
Corbyn didn't walk out because Chukka was there though.
That's a fair point.
So why did he walk out then?
However, whatever the reason, I think tactically it was the wrong move; a bit like when he refused to meet May after the first meaningful vote. In itself it's not disastrous but it's starting to become a bit of a pattern of bad tactics and missed opportunities.
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He walked out because Theresa May wasn't offering anything different to current policy. Vince Cable also walked out.
Chukka thought he could get some mileage out of it, so he wrote an article to that effect in The Independent. |
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"He speaks with way too much spite for me ever to trust him, as does his deputy, it's hateful to hear.
I’ve never heard him speak in spite.
Every time he 'opposes' the government or May he is spiteful - it's so repellant.
So the the government of Mrs May has refused to talk about leaving the EU with Corbyn right up until now when they finally realise that they cannot deliver a deal and have treated him with contempt has no bearing upon his manner? I would suggest he is exasperated by their ineptitude and that he finds it difficult to conceal that. He is a human being and allowed to let his emotions outnow and again. Oh and dont forget that the press barons hate him so choose to use whatever way they can to attack him like showing him at his worst. You dont have to like him but dont reduce your argument to “he doesnt sound like a very nice man” - he is a hard working and honest individual unlike many politicians and I admire his work ethic even though I wouldnt want to spend much time in his company whereas you I could spend plenty of time setting the world to rights with
I disagree - I judge men on their character, and I find his severely lacking.
From his portrayal by the mainstream media?
From the vitriol I hear spewing from his mouth."
Go on. Give us an example. |
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Corbyn as PM?
It would be like putting my mum in charge of technology. Everyone would say that the direction was so different from the established norm but when it comes to achieving anything, a vision of a clueless rabbit caught in the 1960's white heat of technology would emerge. |
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"Im sure that if May resigns and there is a general election, corbyn will lose and then they will replace him, I wouldnt much worry about his position for long."
Looks like she will, so your wish is your command 2 for 2 now, freaky! |
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I'm unsure on this one, as he became incredibly popular in the last general election, bringing the party from way behind the conservatives and then to the cons losing their majority. He has qualities that could be used to help reform much of what is wrong in the UK and some of which caused people to become disenfranchised, leading up to the referendum.
All this is despite the huge media coverage that he has had from the point he took over, which is totally against him.
I don't know of an alternative leader for them who is definitely more likely to win for them at a GE. Keir Starmer has good strength but I'm uncertain of his overall abilities and priorities. |
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There are plenty with credibility with the electorate, but not necessarily credibility with Momentum, who could replace him. Mrs Balls, Hilary Benn to name two.
What Labour need to recognise is that for non party members, they need to put forward a leader who appeals to more than back room trendy "socialistas". |
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