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Enable the Kennedy Bill to avoid falling off the Brexit cliff
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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago
Cardiff |
So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal. |
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over a year ago
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"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal."
Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal. Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
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*sigh*
seriously?
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal. Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
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I can only assume you're posting this in jest? Surely no one still thinks this?
2 minutes on Google will answer some of these questions for you. |
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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago
Cardiff |
"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal. Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
I can only assume you're posting this in jest? Surely no one still thinks this?
2 minutes on Google will answer some of these questions for you."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal. Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
I can only assume you're posting this in jest? Surely no one still thinks this?
2 minutes on Google will answer some of these questions for you."
I think you will find that the majority of people voted to leave , they did not vote to leave with a deal.
In any event duties simply cancel out at World level.
By doing a Google search you can simply bring up the result which you want depending on how you word it . It hardly helps .
Common sense suggests we leave with no deal and start our negotistions from a position of strength. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal. Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
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You were born yesterday or the last two years you spent on Mars? Answer me honestly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In any event duties simply cancel out at World level.
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Go on then explain how this assists or changes nothing for companies importing or exporting under higher tax rates? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal. Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
You were born yesterday or the last two years you spent on Mars? Answer me honestly."
Definitely on another planet and wilfully ignorant of the consequences of no deal.
I'm going to hazard a guess their views through their sphincter is rosy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal. Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
I can only assume you're posting this in jest? Surely no one still thinks this?
2 minutes on Google will answer some of these questions for you. I think you will find that the majority of people voted to leave , they did not vote to leave with a deal.
In any event duties simply cancel out at World level.
By doing a Google search you can simply bring up the result which you want depending on how you word it . It hardly helps .
Common sense suggests we leave with no deal and start our negotistions from a position of strength. "
Ahhh you're a joker! |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal. Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
You were born yesterday or the last two years you spent on Mars? Answer me honestly."
This is Pat under one of his very many aliases and/profiles.
He gets investment advice through “specialist” publications.
He also does not understand very much in the way of the legality of Brexit because he does not realise that leaving without a deal would putthe U.K. in breach of two specific (and maybe more). Not paying pre-agreed EU budget subscriptions would see the E.U. take us to Court at the first opportunity and Ireland (plus probably the E.U. too) would take us to Court for breaching the Tetms of the GFA.
But it’s OK. If it isn’t mentioned in specialist publications - it doesn’t exist. |
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It won't get the parliamentary support and I suspect that it cannot be enacted in time.
The EU will only offer an extension until 22nd May and only if the May deal is passed, which is unlikely. If it is not passed then we leave next Friday on a no deal.
Of course May could revoke A.50 and resign....more likely that hell will freeze over.
Or the EU will meet next Thursday with the meeting running late into Friday morning with a last minute fudge.....more likely as that's what they do in a crisis. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Let's hope this is done as leaving with no deal was not what anyone voted for.
Personally though I think the deal on offer is perfect. A half baked Brexit for a half baked referendum  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
" Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
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are we really still spouting this after 3 yrs of evidence to the contrary....
wow... some people will believe in unicorns regardless of what people say....
the only thing that i'm not surprised is that you didn't quote the promise on the side of the big red bus....  |
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"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal. Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
You were born yesterday or the last two years you spent on Mars? Answer me honestly.
This is Pat under one of his very many aliases and/profiles.
He gets investment advice through “specialist” publications.
He also does not understand very much in the way of the legality of Brexit because he does not realise that leaving without a deal would putthe U.K. in breach of two specific (and maybe more). Not paying pre-agreed EU budget subscriptions would see the E.U. take us to Court at the first opportunity and Ireland (plus probably the E.U. too) would take us to Court for breaching the Tetms of the GFA.
But it’s OK. If it isn’t mentioned in specialist publications - it doesn’t exist."
If we do not enforce a hard border in Ireland, there are no grounds for complaint.
If we do not pay subscriptions then it isn't a quick trip to court. Firstly, which court would have jurisdiction? In the same way that we have been frustrated by European Courts in the past, any case would probably take 7 or 8 years to conclude, by which time a lot of water would have passed down the Channel. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Common sense suggests we leave with no deal and start our negotistions from a position of strength. "
The UK's relationship with the EU covers an awful lot more than just trade.
All of which is severed in an instant under your approach.
A position of strength?
You mean we're not in a position of strength on March 29, but will be on March 30?
I really do not understand how.
This is not a negotiation of equals, it never has been.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal."
the govt are not going to bring that forward... so the only way you could get to get to that position is via cooper/boles/letwin, where they would have to take power for 1 day, to be able to push this thru.......
other thing of interest next week.... ledsome has said they will not be "sitting" in the house next friday! so you have to think summit next thurdsay... the what next debate on wednesday (grieves amendment)... MV3 would have to happen on tuesday....
they are not going to have time to push it thru.... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal.
the govt are not going to bring that forward... so the only way you could get to get to that position is via cooper/boles/letwin, where they would have to take power for 1 day, to be able to push this thru.......
other thing of interest next week.... ledsome has said they will not be "sitting" in the house next friday! so you have to think summit next thurdsay... the what next debate on wednesday (grieves amendment)... MV3 would have to happen on tuesday....
they are not going to have time to push it thru.... "
hell has no fury like a woman scorned, i think she has had enough of being pushed from pillar to post and now knows she wont get here deal through so is going to run the clock down.She has said right from the start its my deal or no deal the waverers and remainers are now getting their worse nightmare when it could have all been so much easier. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"No deal is better than a bad deal."
That was her mantra.
Which implies a degree of willingness to exit empty-handed.
Unless, like all her other platitudes, it turns out to have been a smokescreen to hide the hollowness between her ears.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal. Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
You were born yesterday or the last two years you spent on Mars? Answer me honestly.
This is Pat under one of his very many aliases and/profiles.
He gets investment advice through “specialist” publications.
He also does not understand very much in the way of the legality of Brexit because he does not realise that leaving without a deal would putthe U.K. in breach of two specific (and maybe more). Not paying pre-agreed EU budget subscriptions would see the E.U. take us to Court at the first opportunity and Ireland (plus probably the E.U. too) would take us to Court for breaching the Tetms of the GFA.
But it’s OK. If it isn’t mentioned in specialist publications - it doesn’t exist."
Leaving the EU was hardly a consideration when the GFA was drafted so it is hardly even a consideration.
Most commentators advise that is we leave without a deal there is no obligation to pay an exit fee.
You may have an opinion . However it does not mean that your interpretation is correct.
The reality is that the majority of those who voted did not agree with your opinion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
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And what percentage of their total exports is that? What will be the impact of no deal on imports of food and medicine be into this country? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"When I voted to leave , I didn’t vote for a deal , and no deal is absolutely fine with me "
I have to assume you dont actually know what 'no deal' means. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
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The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Let's hope this is done as leaving with no deal was not what anyone voted for."
Really?
You know that for a fact do you?
By the way. WRONG!!!!!!
Because it IS exactly what I voted for! |
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"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal. Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
I can only assume you're posting this in jest? Surely no one still thinks this?
2 minutes on Google will answer some of these questions for you. I think you will find that the majority of people voted to leave , they did not vote to leave with a deal.
In any event duties simply cancel out at World level.
By doing a Google search you can simply bring up the result which you want depending on how you word it . It hardly helps .
Common sense suggests we leave with no deal and start our negotistions from a position of strength. "
No deal is not a position of strength...it is admitting we cannot negotiate a trade treaty before we negotiate trade treaties with the world! If you want higher prices for goods then go for it! |
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"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
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I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market. |
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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago
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"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market."
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" Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
are we really still spouting this after 3 yrs of evidence to the contrary....
wow... some people will believe in unicorns regardless of what people say....
the only thing that i'm not surprised is that you didn't quote the promise on the side of the big red bus.... "
The more tolerant and open minded individuals will examine all the evidence, not just some and constantly 'reassess the situation.
As it stands we have nothing to lose by leaving with no deal.
Once this happens and the EU realizes how much damage such a situation would cause them , reality would quickly kick in and a reasonable made very quickly.
As it stands we are one of their largest trading partners . |
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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago
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" Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
are we really still spouting this after 3 yrs of evidence to the contrary....
wow... some people will believe in unicorns regardless of what people say....
the only thing that i'm not surprised is that you didn't quote the promise on the side of the big red bus.... The more tolerant and open minded individuals will examine all the evidence, not just some and constantly 'reassess the situation.
As it stands we have nothing to lose by leaving with no deal.
Once this happens and the EU realizes how much damage such a situation would cause them , reality would quickly kick in and a reasonable made very quickly.
As it stands we are one of their largest trading partners . "
Just not quite so big atrading partner as we were before Brexit started - we are diminishing in value the further away we get  |
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"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal. Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
You were born yesterday or the last two years you spent on Mars? Answer me honestly.
This is Pat under one of his very many aliases and/profiles.
He gets investment advice through “specialist” publications.
He also does not understand very much in the way of the legality of Brexit because he does not realise that leaving without a deal would putthe U.K. in breach of two specific (and maybe more). Not paying pre-agreed EU budget subscriptions would see the E.U. take us to Court at the first opportunity and Ireland (plus probably the E.U. too) would take us to Court for breaching the Tetms of the GFA.
But it’s OK. If it isn’t mentioned in specialist publications - it doesn’t exist."
Your post fails to identify a number of important factors such as how likely would the EU be to take legal action and more to the point would they have any realistic chance of winning a case .
I guess what you actually mean is that you personally would like to see the EU take the UK to court.
Many people have a different view on the topic to yours.
Probably the only view that actually matters is the result on the referendum day. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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" Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
are we really still spouting this after 3 yrs of evidence to the contrary....
wow... some people will believe in unicorns regardless of what people say....
the only thing that i'm not surprised is that you didn't quote the promise on the side of the big red bus.... The more tolerant and open minded individuals will examine all the evidence, not just some and constantly 'reassess the situation.
As it stands we have nothing to lose by leaving with no deal.
Once this happens and the EU realizes how much damage such a situation would cause them , reality would quickly kick in and a reasonable made very quickly.
As it stands we are one of their largest trading partners . "
if you think that you have nothing to lose by going to WTO terms.... you might be interested in what one person said today.
"going to WTO terms would be a catostophic decision"....
if you are interested in who said that... it was the head of the WTO themselves!
so you are right... we all get our sources from all different places, maybe its time to listen to the "horses head" themself so to speak.....
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over a year ago
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" Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
are we really still spouting this after 3 yrs of evidence to the contrary....
wow... some people will believe in unicorns regardless of what people say....
the only thing that i'm not surprised is that you didn't quote the promise on the side of the big red bus.... The more tolerant and open minded individuals will examine all the evidence, not just some and constantly 'reassess the situation.
As it stands we have nothing to lose by leaving with no deal.
Once this happens and the EU realizes how much damage such a situation would cause them , reality would quickly kick in and a reasonable made very quickly.
As it stands we are one of their largest trading partners . "
Amazing stuff
So the fairies that turn reality into this nonsense you're talking about. Can they do other tricks too. Will rhubarb always taste sweet? Will we have more sunny days during the winter? Will we all get a handshake from David Hasselhoff after Brexit?
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"Let's hope this is done as leaving with no deal was not what anyone voted for.
Really?
You know that for a fact do you?
By the way. WRONG!!!!!!
Because it IS exactly what I voted for!"
So you voted for something which was never ever mentioned in the campaign? Did you also vote for a free unicorn? |
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" Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
are we really still spouting this after 3 yrs of evidence to the contrary....
wow... some people will believe in unicorns regardless of what people say....
the only thing that i'm not surprised is that you didn't quote the promise on the side of the big red bus.... The more tolerant and open minded individuals will examine all the evidence, not just some and constantly 'reassess the situation.
As it stands we have nothing to lose by leaving with no deal.
Once this happens and the EU realizes how much damage such a situation would cause them , reality would quickly kick in and a reasonable made very quickly.
As it stands we are one of their largest trading partners . "
Just because u keep repeating this nonsense doesnt make it true you know. This sort of half baked, uninformed twaddle makes me despair |
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over a year ago
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" Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
are we really still spouting this after 3 yrs of evidence to the contrary....
wow... some people will believe in unicorns regardless of what people say....
the only thing that i'm not surprised is that you didn't quote the promise on the side of the big red bus.... The more tolerant and open minded individuals will examine all the evidence, not just some and constantly 'reassess the situation.
As it stands we have nothing to lose by leaving with no deal.
Once this happens and the EU realizes how much damage such a situation would cause them , reality would quickly kick in and a reasonable made very quickly.
As it stands we are one of their largest trading partners .
Just because u keep repeating this nonsense doesnt make it true you know. This sort of half baked, uninformed twaddle makes me despair"
Maybe read some of the various reports in some of the newspapers this week. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market."
The German car industry will collapse because the UK imposes a 10 per cent tax on German cars sold in the UK?
Lololol
Now that is Project Fear.
Lolol
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
are we really still spouting this after 3 yrs of evidence to the contrary....
wow... some people will believe in unicorns regardless of what people say....
the only thing that i'm not surprised is that you didn't quote the promise on the side of the big red bus.... The more tolerant and open minded individuals will examine all the evidence, not just some and constantly 'reassess the situation.
As it stands we have nothing to lose by leaving with no deal.
Once this happens and the EU realizes how much damage such a situation would cause them , reality would quickly kick in and a reasonable made very quickly.
As it stands we are one of their largest trading partners .
Just because u keep repeating this nonsense doesnt make it true you know. This sort of half baked, uninformed twaddle makes me despair"
Unless you are attempting to claim that the trading statistics are incorrectly compiled , it is an undisputed fact that we currently import more than we export from the EU.
Consequently we should hope the upper hand in negotiating any deal . Hardly twaddle , just fact. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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" Unless you are attempting to claim that the trading statistics are incorrectly compiled , it is an undisputed fact that we currently import more than we export from the EU.
Consequently we should hope the upper hand in negotiating any deal . Hardly twaddle , just fact. "
What's there to negotiate? The UK just announced the unilateral abolition of tariffs on 85 per cent of goods imported to the UK.
"Hello, is that the EU, can we talk about the other 15 per cent, please?"
"Have you paid the divorce bill, yet?"
"Um. er . . . hello, are you still on the line?"
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
" Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
are we really still spouting this after 3 yrs of evidence to the contrary....
wow... some people will believe in unicorns regardless of what people say....
the only thing that i'm not surprised is that you didn't quote the promise on the side of the big red bus.... The more tolerant and open minded individuals will examine all the evidence, not just some and constantly 'reassess the situation.
As it stands we have nothing to lose by leaving with no deal.
Once this happens and the EU realizes how much damage such a situation would cause them , reality would quickly kick in and a reasonable made very quickly.
As it stands we are one of their largest trading partners .
Just because u keep repeating this nonsense doesnt make it true you know. This sort of half baked, uninformed twaddle makes me despair Unless you are attempting to claim that the trading statistics are incorrectly compiled , it is an undisputed fact that we currently import more than we export from the EU.
Consequently we should hope the upper hand in negotiating any deal . Hardly twaddle , just fact. "
Oh god, not this again? Surely you can't still be this deluded?
But let's try one more time shall we?
Let's say I'm billionaire Rupert Murdoch and And you are an 'average' person on the 'average' income of about £30,000 per year.
I owe you £100,000
You owe me £10,000
We both default on our debts to each other. Who is hurting more at the end of it? You, who has just 'lost' an amount equal to a third of your annual income. Or me who has just 'lost' an amount equal to less than one percent of my annual income?
Who will feel it more?
-Matt |
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over a year ago
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" Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
are we really still spouting this after 3 yrs of evidence to the contrary....
wow... some people will believe in unicorns regardless of what people say....
the only thing that i'm not surprised is that you didn't quote the promise on the side of the big red bus.... The more tolerant and open minded individuals will examine all the evidence, not just some and constantly 'reassess the situation.
As it stands we have nothing to lose by leaving with no deal.
Once this happens and the EU realizes how much damage such a situation would cause them , reality would quickly kick in and a reasonable made very quickly.
As it stands we are one of their largest trading partners .
Just because u keep repeating this nonsense doesnt make it true you know. This sort of half baked, uninformed twaddle makes me despair Unless you are attempting to claim that the trading statistics are incorrectly compiled , it is an undisputed fact that we currently import more than we export from the EU.
Consequently we should hope the upper hand in negotiating any deal . Hardly twaddle , just fact.
Oh god, not this again? Surely you can't still be this deluded?
But let's try one more time shall we?
Let's say I'm billionaire Rupert Murdoch and And you are an 'average' person on the 'average' income of about £30,000 per year.
I owe you £100,000
You owe me £10,000
We both default on our debts to each other. Who is hurting more at the end of it? You, who has just 'lost' an amount equal to a third of your annual income. Or me who has just 'lost' an amount equal to less than one percent of my annual income?
Who will feel it more?
-Matt"
Deluded? Last time I looked at up to 44 % of the population in the UK were happy to leave without a deal. ( the reality being that if we did leave withoug an agreement a favourable one to the UK would follow very quickly .
VW Audi are hardly going to want to lose lots of car sales .
Forecasts conclude that leaving without a deal will hurt the EU and Ireland more than the UK.
There is an excellent analysis of the no deal scenario in one of the national newspapers today.
I was on a freight forwarding web site last night and they already had all their plans in place.
The government also have in place two important projects to address any issues .
You are of course entitled to your opinion but to suggest that someone is deluded because their opinion differs to yours suggests that you are a rather intolerant individual.
My preference is to consider most people's opinions and then form my own using information from a variety of different sources . |
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" Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
are we really still spouting this after 3 yrs of evidence to the contrary....
wow... some people will believe in unicorns regardless of what people say....
the only thing that i'm not surprised is that you didn't quote the promise on the side of the big red bus.... The more tolerant and open minded individuals will examine all the evidence, not just some and constantly 'reassess the situation.
As it stands we have nothing to lose by leaving with no deal.
Once this happens and the EU realizes how much damage such a situation would cause them , reality would quickly kick in and a reasonable made very quickly.
As it stands we are one of their largest trading partners .
Just because u keep repeating this nonsense doesnt make it true you know. This sort of half baked, uninformed twaddle makes me despair Unless you are attempting to claim that the trading statistics are incorrectly compiled , it is an undisputed fact that we currently import more than we export from the EU.
Consequently we should hope the upper hand in negotiating any deal . Hardly twaddle , just fact.
Oh god, not this again? Surely you can't still be this deluded?
But let's try one more time shall we?
Let's say I'm billionaire Rupert Murdoch and And you are an 'average' person on the 'average' income of about £30,000 per year.
I owe you £100,000
You owe me £10,000
We both default on our debts to each other. Who is hurting more at the end of it? You, who has just 'lost' an amount equal to a third of your annual income. Or me who has just 'lost' an amount equal to less than one percent of my annual income?
Who will feel it more?
-Matt"
Hi. You have not really given sufficient information in order to be able to answer the question .
1. Are the debts covered by credit insurance.
2. Are they secured against assets.
3. You refer to the income of the individuals concerned but make no mention of their net asset position.
It might hurt someone more who has a high income and no net assets compared to the person who may have lower earnings and a higher net asset position.
In any very no one should ever allow anyone to default on a debt. They should have done sufficient planning to ensure that it does not happen |
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over a year ago
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“Last time I looked at up to 44 % of the population in the UK were happy to leave without a deal. ”
Love this, so funny.
As we all know 80% of statistics are made up on the spot. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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" Last time I looked at up to 44 % of the population in the UK were happy to leave without a deal. ( the reality being that if we did leave withoug an agreement a favourable one to the UK would follow very quickly . "
It wasn't a poll by YouGov, was it. if it was, your Leave chums have roundly trashed anything they come out with.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal."
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"“Last time I looked at up to 44 % of the population in the UK were happy to leave without a deal. ”
Love this, so funny.
As we all know 80% of statistics are made up on the spot."
Unless they agree with you I guess!! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market."
14% of Germany's automotive exports come to the UK.
52% of UK automotive exports go to the EU. |
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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago
Cardiff |
"“Last time I looked at up to 44 % of the population in the UK were happy to leave without a deal. ”
Love this, so funny.
As we all know 80% of statistics are made up on the spot.Unless they agree with you I guess!!"
I think we did this to death yesterday:
Uk population 65m
UK voting population (2016) 45m
Voted to Leave 17.4m
Percentage of voting population is 17.4/45*100,
Which is 38.7%
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
" Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
are we really still spouting this after 3 yrs of evidence to the contrary....
wow... some people will believe in unicorns regardless of what people say....
the only thing that i'm not surprised is that you didn't quote the promise on the side of the big red bus.... The more tolerant and open minded individuals will examine all the evidence, not just some and constantly 'reassess the situation.
As it stands we have nothing to lose by leaving with no deal.
Once this happens and the EU realizes how much damage such a situation would cause them , reality would quickly kick in and a reasonable made very quickly.
As it stands we are one of their largest trading partners .
Just because u keep repeating this nonsense doesnt make it true you know. This sort of half baked, uninformed twaddle makes me despair Unless you are attempting to claim that the trading statistics are incorrectly compiled , it is an undisputed fact that we currently import more than we export from the EU.
Consequently we should hope the upper hand in negotiating any deal . Hardly twaddle , just fact.
Oh god, not this again? Surely you can't still be this deluded?
But let's try one more time shall we?
Let's say I'm billionaire Rupert Murdoch and And you are an 'average' person on the 'average' income of about £30,000 per year.
I owe you £100,000
You owe me £10,000
We both default on our debts to each other. Who is hurting more at the end of it? You, who has just 'lost' an amount equal to a third of your annual income. Or me who has just 'lost' an amount equal to less than one percent of my annual income?
Who will feel it more?
-Matt Deluded? Last time I looked at up to 44 % of the population in the UK were happy to leave without a deal. ( the reality being that if we did leave withoug an agreement a favourable one to the UK would follow very quickly .
VW Audi are hardly going to want to lose lots of car sales .
Forecasts conclude that leaving without a deal will hurt the EU and Ireland more than the UK.
There is an excellent analysis of the no deal scenario in one of the national newspapers today.
I was on a freight forwarding web site last night and they already had all their plans in place.
The government also have in place two important projects to address any issues .
You are of course entitled to your opinion but to suggest that someone is deluded because their opinion differs to yours suggests that you are a rather intolerant individual.
My preference is to consider most people's opinions and then form my own using information from a variety of different sources . "
This poll is from "whatukthinks".
You can look up the site and decide yourself on its credibility.
It has tracked polling since the referendum using the same methodology so it is, ateast, consistent.
In answer to: "If there was a referendum tomorrow with the options of remaining in the EU, accepting the government’s Brexit agreement, or leaving the EU without a deal, which would you support?"
43% Remain
16% Government
23% No deal
13% Don't know
Where does your number come from? Is it a poll of Conservative party members? A poll of Leavers? A poll of people from DRCongo?
Which unbiased national newspaper was the opinion in? Have you read any "excellent articles" in the Guardian or Independent?
Which freight forwarding site was it? Are there any saying that they may not be able to deliver your goods so best not to entrust it to them?
The RHA (Road Hauliers Association ) takes this position:
"British hauliers that make international journeys will be forced out of business, causing irreparable damage to the supply chain. The foods we take for granted, oranges from Spain for example will become an expensive luxury. Supply and demand for basic foodstuffs could even mean the introduction of food rationing. Is this just scaremongering? No. Could it be the death knell for the thousands of hauliers that deliver 98% of the UK economy? Quite possibly. B
A Brexit without a deal will put thousands of HGV drivers out of a job and millions without the food they have come to expect. With just over 6 months to go until the UK leaves the EU, the time for political grandstanding is over. UK hauliers need practical solutions to resolve practical problems."
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal."
I still am not keen on this.
Why not a referendum? If after the last three years the majority of the population want more years of negotiation then that's the country's choice. However that cannot be assumed.
Pass May's deal with an ammendment for a referendum at the same time as European Parliamentary elections.
Of we look down and still want to jump then so be it.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market.
14% of Germany's automotive exports come to the UK.
52% of UK automotive exports go to the EU."
when you work out the numbers produced by each country and the percentages its roughly the same amount of cars just that Germany,s are more expensive. ive said it before you can make anything look good with figures if you dont show the full picture. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market.
14% of Germany's automotive exports come to the UK.
52% of UK automotive exports go to the EU.when you work out the numbers produced by each country and the percentages its roughly the same amount of cars just that Germany,s are more expensive. ive said it before you can make anything look good with figures if you dont show the full picture."
It's not a trick. You do like your conspiracies don't you?
I didn't say that it was not a lot of money.
German cars are, generally, more expensive. They are less sensitive to price increases than cheaper vehicles. A rich person will spend a bit more on a Mercedes or BMW. A Nissan owner will not.
However, once again, EU countries can substitute almost everything they buy from us with zero tariffs from one of the other 27. We cannot do the same.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market.
14% of Germany's automotive exports come to the UK.
52% of UK automotive exports go to the EU.when you work out the numbers produced by each country and the percentages its roughly the same amount of cars just that Germany,s are more expensive. ive said it before you can make anything look good with figures if you dont show the full picture."
Let's put it another way.
If Germany sells 50% less cars it shuts down 7% of its total production.
Ouch.
Ic the UK sells 50% less cars it shuts down 26% of its production.
Bigger ouch.
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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago
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"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal.
I still am not keen on this.
Why not a referendum? If after the last three years the majority of the population want more years of negotiation then that's the country's choice. However that cannot be assumed.
Pass May's deal with an ammendment for a referendum at the same time as European Parliamentary elections.
Of we look down and still want to jump then so be it.
Not sure why any leaver would not want this same scenario."
I’d be ok with a referendum, but do I trust Lino? Hmmm, how long will it take to organise a referendum? I imagine it will be at least 6 months, so revoking A50;gives us leeway |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market.
14% of Germany's automotive exports come to the UK.
52% of UK automotive exports go to the EU.when you work out the numbers produced by each country and the percentages its roughly the same amount of cars just that Germany,s are more expensive. ive said it before you can make anything look good with figures if you dont show the full picture.
Let's put it another way.
If Germany sells 50% less cars it shuts down 7% of its total production.
Ouch.
Ic the UK sells 50% less cars it shuts down 26% of its production.
Bigger ouch.
Are we there yet, or do you not want to see it? "
i see it all im saying is you love percentages which does not show the whole picture but look very good as a statement,when you consider the sizes of the eu car manufactures to the uk ones using percentages distorts the fact that we sell about the same amount of cars to the eu as they do to us.We are also germanys biggest importer of cars with the usa second so do you really think they want to lose that market?It seems to me all you remainers think everything is going to stop the moment we leave. luckily the government and eu are not like the remainers and have an understanding that we can leave and still do business be friends and rub along nicely. |
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"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market.
14% of Germany's automotive exports come to the UK.
52% of UK automotive exports go to the EU.when you work out the numbers produced by each country and the percentages its roughly the same amount of cars just that Germany,s are more expensive. ive said it before you can make anything look good with figures if you dont show the full picture.
Let's put it another way.
If Germany sells 50% less cars it shuts down 7% of its total production.
Ouch.
Ic the UK sells 50% less cars it shuts down 26% of its production.
Bigger ouch.
Are we there yet, or do you not want to see it? i see it all im saying is you love percentages which does not show the whole picture but look very good as a statement,when you consider the sizes of the eu car manufactures to the uk ones using percentages distorts the fact that we sell about the same amount of cars to the eu as they do to us.We are also germanys biggest importer of cars with the usa second so do you really think they want to lose that market?It seems to me all you remainers think everything is going to stop the moment we leave. luckily the government and eu are not like the remainers and have an understanding that we can leave and still do business be friends and rub along nicely."
It looks like you are a little out of touch with the UK haulage industry . Hauliers are still investing in new vehicles and I have yet to hear of any drivers who think that they will lose their jobs because of Brexit .
One bonus will be less competition from foreign hauliers . Another bonus is that more trailers will be brought into the UK unaccompanied and the journey to the final destination undertaken by a UK haulier.
There is lots of information on the topic in a specialist magazine for hauliers.
None of them paint your pessimistic view. |
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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago
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"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market.
14% of Germany's automotive exports come to the UK.
52% of UK automotive exports go to the EU.when you work out the numbers produced by each country and the percentages its roughly the same amount of cars just that Germany,s are more expensive. ive said it before you can make anything look good with figures if you dont show the full picture.
Let's put it another way.
If Germany sells 50% less cars it shuts down 7% of its total production.
Ouch.
Ic the UK sells 50% less cars it shuts down 26% of its production.
Bigger ouch.
Are we there yet, or do you not want to see it? i see it all im saying is you love percentages which does not show the whole picture but look very good as a statement,when you consider the sizes of the eu car manufactures to the uk ones using percentages distorts the fact that we sell about the same amount of cars to the eu as they do to us.We are also germanys biggest importer of cars with the usa second so do you really think they want to lose that market?It seems to me all you remainers think everything is going to stop the moment we leave. luckily the government and eu are not like the remainers and have an understanding that we can leave and still do business be friends and rub along nicely. It looks like you are a little out of touch with the UK haulage industry . Hauliers are still investing in new vehicles and I have yet to hear of any drivers who think that they will lose their jobs because of Brexit .
One bonus will be less competition from foreign hauliers . Another bonus is that more trailers will be brought into the UK unaccompanied and the journey to the final destination undertaken by a UK haulier.
There is lots of information on the topic in a specialist magazine for hauliers.
None of them paint your pessimistic view. "
& the plus side is they don’t have to drive overseas anymore as more trailers will go to the EU unaccompanied - so more time at home for a bit less pay  |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market.
14% of Germany's automotive exports come to the UK.
52% of UK automotive exports go to the EU.when you work out the numbers produced by each country and the percentages its roughly the same amount of cars just that Germany,s are more expensive. ive said it before you can make anything look good with figures if you dont show the full picture.
Let's put it another way.
If Germany sells 50% less cars it shuts down 7% of its total production.
Ouch.
Ic the UK sells 50% less cars it shuts down 26% of its production.
Bigger ouch.
Are we there yet, or do you not want to see it? i see it all im saying is you love percentages which does not show the whole picture but look very good as a statement,when you consider the sizes of the eu car manufactures to the uk ones using percentages distorts the fact that we sell about the same amount of cars to the eu as they do to us.We are also germanys biggest importer of cars with the usa second so do you really think they want to lose that market?It seems to me all you remainers think everything is going to stop the moment we leave. luckily the government and eu are not like the remainers and have an understanding that we can leave and still do business be friends and rub along nicely. It looks like you are a little out of touch with the UK haulage industry . Hauliers are still investing in new vehicles and I have yet to hear of any drivers who think that they will lose their jobs because of Brexit .
One bonus will be less competition from foreign hauliers . Another bonus is that more trailers will be brought into the UK unaccompanied and the journey to the final destination undertaken by a UK haulier.
There is lots of information on the topic in a specialist magazine for hauliers.
None of them paint your pessimistic view. "
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market.
14% of Germany's automotive exports come to the UK.
52% of UK automotive exports go to the EU.when you work out the numbers produced by each country and the percentages its roughly the same amount of cars just that Germany,s are more expensive. ive said it before you can make anything look good with figures if you dont show the full picture.
Let's put it another way.
If Germany sells 50% less cars it shuts down 7% of its total production.
Ouch.
Ic the UK sells 50% less cars it shuts down 26% of its production.
Bigger ouch.
Are we there yet, or do you not want to see it? i see it all im saying is you love percentages which does not show the whole picture but look very good as a statement,when you consider the sizes of the eu car manufactures to the uk ones using percentages distorts the fact that we sell about the same amount of cars to the eu as they do to us.We are also germanys biggest importer of cars with the usa second so do you really think they want to lose that market?It seems to me all you remainers think everything is going to stop the moment we leave. luckily the government and eu are not like the remainers and have an understanding that we can leave and still do business be friends and rub along nicely."
Good non-answer.
Percentages are not a trick. They indicate relative importance.
I said that it's a lot of money to lose.
A millionaire losing £1000 is not as bothered as someone on minimum wage losing £50. Do you still not get that?
I also said EU countries can substitute goods bought from us by buying from each other. We cannot. How do you address that?
You seem to think wrong.
I didn't claim that all trade will stop. It will cost more and take longer between us and the EU and all of the countries it has trade deals with.
Neither has anyone else as far as I can tell.
Whilst we renegotiate deals they will find new suppliers.
We can survive and cope. That's not a benefit.
We have been incredibly rude to them. Nigel Farage to their faces.
We have made them competitors. Not enemies is not the same as friends. Their is significantly less benefit to doing us any favours.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market.
14% of Germany's automotive exports come to the UK.
52% of UK automotive exports go to the EU.when you work out the numbers produced by each country and the percentages its roughly the same amount of cars just that Germany,s are more expensive. ive said it before you can make anything look good with figures if you dont show the full picture.
Let's put it another way.
If Germany sells 50% less cars it shuts down 7% of its total production.
Ouch.
Ic the UK sells 50% less cars it shuts down 26% of its production.
Bigger ouch.
Are we there yet, or do you not want to see it? i see it all im saying is you love percentages which does not show the whole picture but look very good as a statement,when you consider the sizes of the eu car manufactures to the uk ones using percentages distorts the fact that we sell about the same amount of cars to the eu as they do to us.We are also germanys biggest importer of cars with the usa second so do you really think they want to lose that market?It seems to me all you remainers think everything is going to stop the moment we leave. luckily the government and eu are not like the remainers and have an understanding that we can leave and still do business be friends and rub along nicely. It looks like you are a little out of touch with the UK haulage industry . Hauliers are still investing in new vehicles and I have yet to hear of any drivers who think that they will lose their jobs because of Brexit .
One bonus will be less competition from foreign hauliers . Another bonus is that more trailers will be brought into the UK unaccompanied and the journey to the final destination undertaken by a UK haulier.
There is lots of information on the topic in a specialist magazine for hauliers.
None of them paint your pessimistic view. "
You don't like the RHA opinion?
How Bout MotorTransport the industry's weekly paper (March 21st)?
"Leaving the EU without a deal would be “absolutely dreadful” for truck makers and buyers alike, making new vehicle acquisition prohibitively expensive, according to manufacturers. With the threat of crashing out of the EU a very real possibility, there are mounting concerns at the sky-high vehicle import tariffs that will come into play in the event of no deal. Government plans include slapping 22% on the cost of importing a new HGV from mainland Europe"
Any spike in purchases is likely to be buying before prices rise.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market.
14% of Germany's automotive exports come to the UK.
52% of UK automotive exports go to the EU.when you work out the numbers produced by each country and the percentages its roughly the same amount of cars just that Germany,s are more expensive. ive said it before you can make anything look good with figures if you dont show the full picture.
Let's put it another way.
If Germany sells 50% less cars it shuts down 7% of its total production.
Ouch.
Ic the UK sells 50% less cars it shuts down 26% of its production.
Bigger ouch.
Are we there yet, or do you not want to see it? i see it all im saying is you love percentages which does not show the whole picture but look very good as a statement,when you consider the sizes of the eu car manufactures to the uk ones using percentages distorts the fact that we sell about the same amount of cars to the eu as they do to us.We are also germanys biggest importer of cars with the usa second so do you really think they want to lose that market?It seems to me all you remainers think everything is going to stop the moment we leave. luckily the government and eu are not like the remainers and have an understanding that we can leave and still do business be friends and rub along nicely.
Good non-answer.
Percentages are not a trick. They indicate relative importance.
I said that it's a lot of money to lose.
A millionaire losing £1000 is not as bothered as someone on minimum wage losing £50. Do you still not get that?
I also said EU countries can substitute goods bought from us by buying from each other. We cannot. How do you address that?
You seem to think wrong.
I didn't claim that all trade will stop. It will cost more and take longer between us and the EU and all of the countries it has trade deals with.
Neither has anyone else as far as I can tell.
Whilst we renegotiate deals they will find new suppliers.
We can survive and cope. That's not a benefit.
We have been incredibly rude to them. Nigel Farage to their faces.
We have made them competitors. Not enemies is not the same as friends. Their is significantly less benefit to doing us any favours.
Were you going to address the OP at all? "
the op was you just use percentages to make your point look good.My point is we are both going to lose the sales of roughly the same amount of cars which if you look at it would mean roughly the same amount of jobs lost,does common sense not tell you that neither side would want that. |
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"So here is a thought - MPs voted against No Deal under any circumstances, but it is not law yet. By making the Kennedy Bill into law, then we are all protected from foolish last minute mistakes:
The Kennedy Bill has two clauses. But only one counts (the other is a formality and extends the bill across all the nations making up the UK). Clause 1 is simple and effective. Under the heading, “Revocation of notification of intention to withdraw from the European Union”, it states:
(1) Subsection (2) applies if it appears to the prime minister that a withdrawal agreement is unlikely to be ratified by the United Kingdom before exit day.
(2) The prime minister must in that case, before exit day, notify the European Council that the notification given by the United Kingdom under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, is revoked.
The bill’s simplicity is its genius. It also means we can’t leave with a disastrous No Deal. Out of curiosity why would no deal be disastrous .?
No deal saves is 39 billion; allows us to trade with EU partners under different terms and to enter into agreements with other counties .
The UK economy will hardly come grinding to a halt because of changes in duty rates.
Overall prices may be cheaper.
The beauty of no deal is that we can negotiate with our EU partners from a position of strength.
You would not walk into a car showroom and tell the salesman that you had decided to buy a car regardless of price.
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In any event duties simply cancel out at World level.
Go on then explain how this assists or changes nothing for companies importing or exporting under higher tax rates? "
Why are you ASSUMING higher tax rates... the average non taxed product coming into the UK is 80% or total.... under the no deal measures that will taken to 87% therefore reducing taxed products into the UK!!
The last two years has proven only one thing! That the people running this country are completely shit at their jobs!! It does not change the fact the majority chose to leave the EU...
Quite frankly people need to remember that we entered the EC when it was a completely different ‘club’ all about a common market (which it has never been) and also that we joined because a political party signed us up, not the people!! The advisory referendum back in the 70s was just to ‘stay in’ not to join..... we have never been asked to join what is effectively the ‘other’ outcome of WWII
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market.
14% of Germany's automotive exports come to the UK.
52% of UK automotive exports go to the EU.when you work out the numbers produced by each country and the percentages its roughly the same amount of cars just that Germany,s are more expensive. ive said it before you can make anything look good with figures if you dont show the full picture.
Let's put it another way.
If Germany sells 50% less cars it shuts down 7% of its total production.
Ouch.
Ic the UK sells 50% less cars it shuts down 26% of its production.
Bigger ouch.
Are we there yet, or do you not want to see it? i see it all im saying is you love percentages which does not show the whole picture but look very good as a statement,when you consider the sizes of the eu car manufactures to the uk ones using percentages distorts the fact that we sell about the same amount of cars to the eu as they do to us.We are also germanys biggest importer of cars with the usa second so do you really think they want to lose that market?It seems to me all you remainers think everything is going to stop the moment we leave. luckily the government and eu are not like the remainers and have an understanding that we can leave and still do business be friends and rub along nicely.
Good non-answer.
Percentages are not a trick. They indicate relative importance.
I said that it's a lot of money to lose.
A millionaire losing £1000 is not as bothered as someone on minimum wage losing £50. Do you still not get that?
I also said EU countries can substitute goods bought from us by buying from each other. We cannot. How do you address that?
You seem to think wrong.
I didn't claim that all trade will stop. It will cost more and take longer between us and the EU and all of the countries it has trade deals with.
Neither has anyone else as far as I can tell.
Whilst we renegotiate deals they will find new suppliers.
We can survive and cope. That's not a benefit.
We have been incredibly rude to them. Nigel Farage to their faces.
We have made them competitors. Not enemies is not the same as friends. Their is significantly less benefit to doing us any favours.
Were you going to address the OP at all? the op was you just use percentages to make your point look good.My point is we are both going to lose the sales of roughly the same amount of cars which if you look at it would mean roughly the same amount of jobs lost,does common sense not tell you that neither side would want that."
No. The OP is "Enable the Kennedy Bill to avoid falling off the Brexit cliff"
The response to your desire to use absolute figures, which I ha e given before but you keep trying to ignore, is:
1. Germany is more efficient than us so they don't need to sack as many people all of whom get free retraining for two years on a high proportion of their salaries.
2. Germany can sell cars to other EU countries in place of ours which are now more expensive so will offset reduced sales to the UK
3. Prestige car sales are less sensitive to price so will not suffer as big a reduction in sales volumes. Rich people will deal with paying more.
4. They can afford to lose 7%-14% of sales. We cannot survive losing 25%-50% of sales. Companies stop being viable. That's what the percentages tell you.
5. We are economically and numerically illiterate it seems. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market.
14% of Germany's automotive exports come to the UK.
52% of UK automotive exports go to the EU.when you work out the numbers produced by each country and the percentages its roughly the same amount of cars just that Germany,s are more expensive. ive said it before you can make anything look good with figures if you dont show the full picture.
Let's put it another way.
If Germany sells 50% less cars it shuts down 7% of its total production.
Ouch.
Ic the UK sells 50% less cars it shuts down 26% of its production.
Bigger ouch.
Are we there yet, or do you not want to see it? i see it all im saying is you love percentages which does not show the whole picture but look very good as a statement,when you consider the sizes of the eu car manufactures to the uk ones using percentages distorts the fact that we sell about the same amount of cars to the eu as they do to us.We are also germanys biggest importer of cars with the usa second so do you really think they want to lose that market?It seems to me all you remainers think everything is going to stop the moment we leave. luckily the government and eu are not like the remainers and have an understanding that we can leave and still do business be friends and rub along nicely.
Good non-answer.
Percentages are not a trick. They indicate relative importance.
I said that it's a lot of money to lose.
A millionaire losing £1000 is not as bothered as someone on minimum wage losing £50. Do you still not get that?
I also said EU countries can substitute goods bought from us by buying from each other. We cannot. How do you address that?
You seem to think wrong.
I didn't claim that all trade will stop. It will cost more and take longer between us and the EU and all of the countries it has trade deals with.
Neither has anyone else as far as I can tell.
Whilst we renegotiate deals they will find new suppliers.
We can survive and cope. That's not a benefit.
We have been incredibly rude to them. Nigel Farage to their faces.
We have made them competitors. Not enemies is not the same as friends. Their is significantly less benefit to doing us any favours.
Were you going to address the OP at all? the op was you just use percentages to make your point look good.My point is we are both going to lose the sales of roughly the same amount of cars which if you look at it would mean roughly the same amount of jobs lost,does common sense not tell you that neither side would want that.
No. The OP is "Enable the Kennedy Bill to avoid falling off the Brexit cliff"
The response to your desire to use absolute figures, which I ha e given before but you keep trying to ignore, is:
1. Germany is more efficient than us so they don't need to sack as many people all of whom get free retraining for two years on a high proportion of their salaries.
2. Germany can sell cars to other EU countries in place of ours which are now more expensive so will offset reduced sales to the UK
3. Prestige car sales are less sensitive to price so will not suffer as big a reduction in sales volumes. Rich people will deal with paying more.
4. They can afford to lose 7%-14% of sales. We cannot survive losing 25%-50% of sales. Companies stop being viable. That's what the percentages tell you.
5. We are economically and numerically illiterate it seems. "
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
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In any event duties simply cancel out at World level.
Go on then explain how this assists or changes nothing for companies importing or exporting under higher tax rates?
Why are you ASSUMING higher tax rates... the average non taxed product coming into the UK is 80% or total.... under the no deal measures that will taken to 87% therefore reducing taxed products into the UK!!
The last two years has proven only one thing! That the people running this country are completely shit at their jobs!! It does not change the fact the majority chose to leave the EU...
Quite frankly people need to remember that we entered the EC when it was a completely different ‘club’ all about a common market (which it has never been) and also that we joined because a political party signed us up, not the people!! The advisory referendum back in the 70s was just to ‘stay in’ not to join..... we have never been asked to join what is effectively the ‘other’ outcome of WWII
"
The government has proposed a temporary tax scheme significantly reducing tariffs on imports in various sectors to prevent a price shock in some industries only. This is to reduce increased cost to consumers and business.
Others will face the tariff which may or may not go to consumers.
Under WTO rules other countries do not have to reciprocate so our exporters only suffer from increased tariffs with the EU and all of its trading partners. They can continue to sell to us on beneficial terms.
We reduce our bargaining ability for future trade deals by doing this or we increase duties and therefore domestic costs first.
The majority did vote based on a lot of promises that have not come to pass and cannot be delivered.
You are saying that people would be wrong to change their minds. You are saying they should not be allowed to even though the information has changed.
Quite frankly people need to remember that we signed up to the Traty of Rome which we agreed to. What has changed?
"ARTICLE 2
The Community shall have as its task, by establishing a common market and
progressively approximating the economic policies of Member States, to promote
throughout the Community a harmonious development of economic activities, a
continuous and balanced expansion, an increase in stability, an accelerated raising of the
standard of living and closer relations between the States belonging to it.
ARTICLE 3
For the purposes set out in Article 2, the activities of the Community shall include, as
provided in this Treaty and in accordance with the timetable set out therein
(a) the elimination, as between Member States, of customs duties and of quantitative
restrictions on the import and export of goods, and of all other measures having
equivalent effect;
(b) the establishment of a common customs tariff and of a common commercial
policy towards third countries;
(c) the abolition, as between Member States, of obstacles to freedom of movement for
persons, services and capital;
(d) the adoption of a common policy in the sphere of agriculture;
(e) the adoption of a common policy in the sphere of transport;
(f) the institution of a system ensuring that competition in the common market is not
distorted;
(g) the application of procedures by which the economic policies of Member States
can he co-ordinated and disequilibria in their balances of payments remedied;
(h) the approximation of the laws of Member States to the extent required for the
proper functioning of the common market;
(i) the creation of a European Social Fund in order to improve employment
opportunities for workers and to contribute to the raising of their standard of
living;
(j) the establishment of a European Investment Bank to facilitate the economic
expansion of the Community by opening up fresh resources;
(k) the association of the overseas countries and territories in order to increase trade
and to promote jointly economic and social development."
You may wish to note that I have never signed up to a Tory government.
You may wish to note that I did not sign up to the Iraq war. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market.
14% of Germany's automotive exports come to the UK.
52% of UK automotive exports go to the EU.when you work out the numbers produced by each country and the percentages its roughly the same amount of cars just that Germany,s are more expensive. ive said it before you can make anything look good with figures if you dont show the full picture.
Let's put it another way.
If Germany sells 50% less cars it shuts down 7% of its total production.
Ouch.
Ic the UK sells 50% less cars it shuts down 26% of its production.
Bigger ouch.
Are we there yet, or do you not want to see it? i see it all im saying is you love percentages which does not show the whole picture but look very good as a statement,when you consider the sizes of the eu car manufactures to the uk ones using percentages distorts the fact that we sell about the same amount of cars to the eu as they do to us.We are also germanys biggest importer of cars with the usa second so do you really think they want to lose that market?It seems to me all you remainers think everything is going to stop the moment we leave. luckily the government and eu are not like the remainers and have an understanding that we can leave and still do business be friends and rub along nicely.
Good non-answer.
Percentages are not a trick. They indicate relative importance.
I said that it's a lot of money to lose.
A millionaire losing £1000 is not as bothered as someone on minimum wage losing £50. Do you still not get that?
I also said EU countries can substitute goods bought from us by buying from each other. We cannot. How do you address that?
You seem to think wrong.
I didn't claim that all trade will stop. It will cost more and take longer between us and the EU and all of the countries it has trade deals with.
Neither has anyone else as far as I can tell.
Whilst we renegotiate deals they will find new suppliers.
We can survive and cope. That's not a benefit.
We have been incredibly rude to them. Nigel Farage to their faces.
We have made them competitors. Not enemies is not the same as friends. Their is significantly less benefit to doing us any favours.
Were you going to address the OP at all? the op was you just use percentages to make your point look good.My point is we are both going to lose the sales of roughly the same amount of cars which if you look at it would mean roughly the same amount of jobs lost,does common sense not tell you that neither side would want that.
No. The OP is "Enable the Kennedy Bill to avoid falling off the Brexit cliff"
The response to your desire to use absolute figures, which I ha e given before but you keep trying to ignore, is:
1. Germany is more efficient than us so they don't need to sack as many people all of whom get free retraining for two years on a high proportion of their salaries.
2. Germany can sell cars to other EU countries in place of ours which are now more expensive so will offset reduced sales to the UK
3. Prestige car sales are less sensitive to price so will not suffer as big a reduction in sales volumes. Rich people will deal with paying more.
4. They can afford to lose 7%-14% of sales. We cannot survive losing 25%-50% of sales. Companies stop being viable. That's what the percentages tell you.
5. We are economically and numerically illiterate it seems. i never replied to the op i was never in that discussion i was pulling you up on your use of percentages again we have had this discussion before."
You are not "pulling me up", you are denying the relevance of percentages because you think that absolute figures are all that are important.
You are also consistently ignoring every other point made to explain why percentages are pertinent.
Repeat, repeat, repeat.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market.
14% of Germany's automotive exports come to the UK.
52% of UK automotive exports go to the EU.when you work out the numbers produced by each country and the percentages its roughly the same amount of cars just that Germany,s are more expensive. ive said it before you can make anything look good with figures if you dont show the full picture.
Let's put it another way.
If Germany sells 50% less cars it shuts down 7% of its total production.
Ouch.
Ic the UK sells 50% less cars it shuts down 26% of its production.
Bigger ouch.
Are we there yet, or do you not want to see it? i see it all im saying is you love percentages which does not show the whole picture but look very good as a statement,when you consider the sizes of the eu car manufactures to the uk ones using percentages distorts the fact that we sell about the same amount of cars to the eu as they do to us.We are also germanys biggest importer of cars with the usa second so do you really think they want to lose that market?It seems to me all you remainers think everything is going to stop the moment we leave. luckily the government and eu are not like the remainers and have an understanding that we can leave and still do business be friends and rub along nicely.
Good non-answer.
Percentages are not a trick. They indicate relative importance.
I said that it's a lot of money to lose.
A millionaire losing £1000 is not as bothered as someone on minimum wage losing £50. Do you still not get that?
I also said EU countries can substitute goods bought from us by buying from each other. We cannot. How do you address that?
You seem to think wrong.
I didn't claim that all trade will stop. It will cost more and take longer between us and the EU and all of the countries it has trade deals with.
Neither has anyone else as far as I can tell.
Whilst we renegotiate deals they will find new suppliers.
We can survive and cope. That's not a benefit.
We have been incredibly rude to them. Nigel Farage to their faces.
We have made them competitors. Not enemies is not the same as friends. Their is significantly less benefit to doing us any favours.
Were you going to address the OP at all? the op was you just use percentages to make your point look good.My point is we are both going to lose the sales of roughly the same amount of cars which if you look at it would mean roughly the same amount of jobs lost,does common sense not tell you that neither side would want that.
No. The OP is "Enable the Kennedy Bill to avoid falling off the Brexit cliff"
The response to your desire to use absolute figures, which I ha e given before but you keep trying to ignore, is:
1. Germany is more efficient than us so they don't need to sack as many people all of whom get free retraining for two years on a high proportion of their salaries.
2. Germany can sell cars to other EU countries in place of ours which are now more expensive so will offset reduced sales to the UK
3. Prestige car sales are less sensitive to price so will not suffer as big a reduction in sales volumes. Rich people will deal with paying more.
4. They can afford to lose 7%-14% of sales. We cannot survive losing 25%-50% of sales. Companies stop being viable. That's what the percentages tell you.
5. We are economically and numerically illiterate it seems. i never replied to the op i was never in that discussion i was pulling you up on your use of percentages again we have had this discussion before.
You are not "pulling me up", you are denying the relevance of percentages because you think that absolute figures are all that are important.
You are also consistently ignoring every other point made to explain why percentages are pertinent.
Repeat, repeat, repeat.
Yawn."
Yeah sure i can see other countries saying mmmm a nissan is 10% dearer im not buying one of those i will spend another 10 grand on a merc or bmw they will just buy a seat or renault. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The stark reality of this situation is that a worst case hard Brexit could slash German exports to the UK by 57 %. Berlin cannot allow a shock on this scale to happen . If there is no deal the EU will resort to emergency standby arrangements to keep trade flowing for its own political self preservation. This will be a sobering moment for ideologues .
In light of the above I believe that our best option is to leave without a deal.
The UK currently accounts for 6 per cent of all exports from Germany.
It's been in decline since the referendum.
You are over-egging the pudding, somewhat.
I cannot see the German Car industry allowing their business to collapse. I believe that we are their most important export market.
14% of Germany's automotive exports come to the UK.
52% of UK automotive exports go to the EU.when you work out the numbers produced by each country and the percentages its roughly the same amount of cars just that Germany,s are more expensive. ive said it before you can make anything look good with figures if you dont show the full picture.
Let's put it another way.
If Germany sells 50% less cars it shuts down 7% of its total production.
Ouch.
Ic the UK sells 50% less cars it shuts down 26% of its production.
Bigger ouch.
Are we there yet, or do you not want to see it? i see it all im saying is you love percentages which does not show the whole picture but look very good as a statement,when you consider the sizes of the eu car manufactures to the uk ones using percentages distorts the fact that we sell about the same amount of cars to the eu as they do to us.We are also germanys biggest importer of cars with the usa second so do you really think they want to lose that market?It seems to me all you remainers think everything is going to stop the moment we leave. luckily the government and eu are not like the remainers and have an understanding that we can leave and still do business be friends and rub along nicely.
Good non-answer.
Percentages are not a trick. They indicate relative importance.
I said that it's a lot of money to lose.
A millionaire losing £1000 is not as bothered as someone on minimum wage losing £50. Do you still not get that?
I also said EU countries can substitute goods bought from us by buying from each other. We cannot. How do you address that?
You seem to think wrong.
I didn't claim that all trade will stop. It will cost more and take longer between us and the EU and all of the countries it has trade deals with.
Neither has anyone else as far as I can tell.
Whilst we renegotiate deals they will find new suppliers.
We can survive and cope. That's not a benefit.
We have been incredibly rude to them. Nigel Farage to their faces.
We have made them competitors. Not enemies is not the same as friends. Their is significantly less benefit to doing us any favours.
Were you going to address the OP at all? the op was you just use percentages to make your point look good.My point is we are both going to lose the sales of roughly the same amount of cars which if you look at it would mean roughly the same amount of jobs lost,does common sense not tell you that neither side would want that.
No. The OP is "Enable the Kennedy Bill to avoid falling off the Brexit cliff"
The response to your desire to use absolute figures, which I ha e given before but you keep trying to ignore, is:
1. Germany is more efficient than us so they don't need to sack as many people all of whom get free retraining for two years on a high proportion of their salaries.
2. Germany can sell cars to other EU countries in place of ours which are now more expensive so will offset reduced sales to the UK
3. Prestige car sales are less sensitive to price so will not suffer as big a reduction in sales volumes. Rich people will deal with paying more.
4. They can afford to lose 7%-14% of sales. We cannot survive losing 25%-50% of sales. Companies stop being viable. That's what the percentages tell you.
5. We are economically and numerically illiterate it seems. i never replied to the op i was never in that discussion i was pulling you up on your use of percentages again we have had this discussion before.
You are not "pulling me up", you are denying the relevance of percentages because you think that absolute figures are all that are important.
You are also consistently ignoring every other point made to explain why percentages are pertinent.
Repeat, repeat, repeat.
Yawn.Yeah sure i can see other countries saying mmmm a nissan is 10% dearer im not buying one of those i will spend another 10 grand on a merc or bmw they will just buy a seat or renault."
Germany also builds Ford's and Vauxhalls and Volkwagens.
Good knowledge and well done ignoring all of the other points.
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