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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
An island mentality, relatively insulated from centuries of slaughter between warring neighbours on the continent.
Europe is enjoying its longest period of unbroken peace since the Romans packed their bags and went home.
Economic co-operation and integration has done more to take down the barriers between states and neuter those aggressive tendencies of beggar thy neighbour.
Not so in the UK, where English exceptionalism creates unrealistic expectations of greatness at the expense of our neighbours. |
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I think a lot of the attitudes and opinions expressed over the last couple of years are relics from the UK's period of empire and world dominance. The direction for the UK has been downwards, with its decreasing prominence and power - and some 'blame' for that has been leveraged against the EU. The world is in a constrant state of flux, as economies strengthen or weaken, in relation to others. Maybe there is an element of an island, with some distance from other nations, that affect things too. We've obviously been subject to immigrant influxes for thousands of years and the UK has benefited from this, as others have too.
Presently the world faces significant challenges, some of which are better fought against together - global warming, as a major example of this. There was a warning against 'experts' and the evidence that they may have presented, at the referendum - and some of the west is still in an anti-expert mindset. As we're animals with huge ability to learn, it's silly to ignore evidence, as it can prevent us from pursuing things that would likely harm us. I've forgotten now what the original thread starter was, so I'll post and review.  |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Don’t underestimate the “payback” for austerity.
Communities hollowed out by de-industrialisation in the1980s.
Low incomes, topped with state benefits.
Assaulted by Conservative austerity since 2010 and made to pay the price of the greedy bankers who wrecked the economy.
Brexit was an opportunity to poke the Establishment in the eye with a very sharp stick.
It was a huge misjudgement by the Conservatives, to think people on whom they had inflicted the pain of austerity would fall in behind their claim we’d be worse off if we left the EU.
Another factor is that less qualified people tended to be more enthusiastic about Brexit, because they had less confidence in their ability to compete with unskilled migrant labour than those with professional qualifications. |
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We are an island race.....and that includes those who are "new islanders".
I never believed that Brexit would stop immigration nor would that be desirable. It will mean that we can admit more Commonwealth and third country applicants because they qualify on ability or because they bring more to the table than simply restricting inward migration on the accident of being born in the EU. Ironically, while holding itself up as a paragon of cultural diversity, the EU has restricted the opportunities for peoples outside of the European Union. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Thank you, very wise answer. Should we not live as a Europe as a community? There is strength in unity. There is a real threat from Russia, maybe also from China. No one knows what they will come up with |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Thank you, very wise answer. Should we not live as a Europe as a community? There is strength in unity. There is a real threat from Russia, maybe also from China. No one knows what they will come up with"
Just because we want to leave does not mean we dont want to be friends we can still support each other without being ruled by an eu.
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"Thank you, very wise answer. Should we not live as a Europe as a community? There is strength in unity. There is a real threat from Russia, maybe also from China. No one knows what they will come up with"
What sort of threat are you worried about? |
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over a year ago
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"Thank you, very wise answer. Should we not live as a Europe as a community? There is strength in unity. There is a real threat from Russia, maybe also from China. No one knows what they will come up with
What sort of threat are you worried about?"
You really do not see any threats from Russia? Or China? |
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"Thank you, very wise answer. Should we not live as a Europe as a community? There is strength in unity. There is a real threat from Russia, maybe also from China. No one knows what they will come up with
What sort of threat are you worried about?
You really do not see any threats from Russia? Or China?"
I'm asking you what sort of threat you're worried about... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Thank you, very wise answer. Should we not live as a Europe as a community? There is strength in unity. There is a real threat from Russia, maybe also from China. No one knows what they will come up withJust because we want to leave does not mean we dont want to be friends we can still support each other without being ruled by an eu."
Friendship means friendship, friends are not abandoned. Earlier someone wrote that we can manage alone. I do not believe that. |
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"Thank you, very wise answer. Should we not live as a Europe as a community? There is strength in unity. There is a real threat from Russia, maybe also from China. No one knows what they will come up withJust because we want to leave does not mean we dont want to be friends we can still support each other without being ruled by an eu.
Friendship means friendship, friends are not abandoned. Earlier someone wrote that we can manage alone. I do not believe that. "
It's like you've never heard of NATO? |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"We are an island race.....and that includes those who are "new islanders".
I never believed that Brexit would stop immigration nor would that be desirable. It will mean that we can admit more Commonwealth and third country applicants because they qualify on ability or because they bring more to the table than simply restricting inward migration on the accident of being born in the EU. Ironically, while holding itself up as a paragon of cultural diversity, the EU has restricted the opportunities for peoples outside of the European Union."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. "
All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms . |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms . "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Thank you, very wise answer. Should we not live as a Europe as a community? There is strength in unity. There is a real threat from Russia, maybe also from China. No one knows what they will come up withJust because we want to leave does not mean we dont want to be friends we can still support each other without being ruled by an eu.
Friendship means friendship, friends are not abandoned. Earlier someone wrote that we can manage alone. I do not believe that.
It's like you've never heard of NATO?"
Why this question? Of course I know what NATO is |
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over a year ago
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms . "
You want to separate yourself from Europe |
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms .
You want to separate yourself from Europe"
Yes, I believe that's the whole point of brexit. Correct. |
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"Thank you, very wise answer. Should we not live as a Europe as a community? There is strength in unity. There is a real threat from Russia, maybe also from China. No one knows what they will come up withJust because we want to leave does not mean we dont want to be friends we can still support each other without being ruled by an eu.
Friendship means friendship, friends are not abandoned. Earlier someone wrote that we can manage alone. I do not believe that.
It's like you've never heard of NATO?
Why this question? Of course I know what NATO is"
So what's with all the questions about China and Russia? Are you worried about unscrupulous trading practises from these states? |
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over a year ago
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms . "
The uk wants to create a level playing field by crippling ourselves financially!
Most bonkers comment on these forums so far! And is a lot of competition! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms . Exactly "
You have fundamentally missed the point.
We are moving from being an integral part of an international superpower to being an external entity.
We are creating barriers between ourselves and our wealthy nearest neighbours.
We are taking ourselves out of a position of influence in one of the planet's most powerful entities to belie e that we will somehow be stronger on our own.
Do individuals or unions do better during negotiations on pay and working conditions?
Within the EU there is competition but a win for an EU state works out overall as a win for all.
This will no longer be the case.
The EU will now be a strategic competitor and they are far bigger and more powerful than us. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms . "
...and there is the accountant's logic.
This is not pure arithmetic.
We pay more in to help poorer nations wealthier. This creates a larger market for our products and makes us more than the initial sum invested.as we all become wealthier we become a more powerful organisation demanding greater consideration by the world's other major powers.
By leaving the EU we make our friends our competitors. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms .
You want to separate yourself from Europe
Yes, I believe that's the whole point of brexit. Correct. "
You are hypocrites and ignorant people who do not care about the future. Do you really know what it means to leave Europe for the UK? Do you realize that we will be in isolation? How much will we lose trade contracts? |
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms .
You want to separate yourself from Europe
Yes, I believe that's the whole point of brexit. Correct.
You are hypocrites and ignorant people who do not care about the future. Do you really know what it means to leave Europe for the UK? Do you realize that we will be in isolation? How much will we lose trade contracts? "
Well yeah, but alot of brexiteers would counter with "so what"? And they'd probably be happy if they stopped having to spend their national insurance on Romanian women's child benefit. Especially those who have never actually come to the uk... |
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over a year ago
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms .
You want to separate yourself from Europe
Yes, I believe that's the whole point of brexit. Correct.
You are hypocrites and ignorant people who do not care about the future. Do you really know what it means to leave Europe for the UK? Do you realize that we will be in isolation? How much will we lose trade contracts?
Well yeah, but alot of brexiteers would counter with "so what"? And they'd probably be happy if they stopped having to spend their national insurance on Romanian women's child benefit. Especially those who have never actually come to the uk..."
So you want to ruin the country because of one xenophobic story in the Sun News paper. So many things we could say.
Most benefit fraud in the Uk is committed by British people.
Leaving the E.U. will cost us billions of times what we may have lost assuming this story is true.
These stories are designed to shift blame onto foreign people.
I can’t believe this bullshit still influences the way weak minded people think. |
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over a year ago
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms .
You want to separate yourself from Europe
Yes, I believe that's the whole point of brexit. Correct.
You are hypocrites and ignorant people who do not care about the future. Do you really know what it means to leave Europe for the UK? Do you realize that we will be in isolation? How much will we lose trade contracts?
Well yeah, but alot of brexiteers would counter with "so what"? And they'd probably be happy if they stopped having to spend their national insurance on Romanian women's child benefit. Especially those who have never actually come to the uk..."
Typical nationalist talk. Are you a farage Brother? What is wrong with you? Stand in front of the mirror and ask yourself this question. |
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over a year ago
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms .
You want to separate yourself from Europe
Yes, I believe that's the whole point of brexit. Correct.
You are hypocrites and ignorant people who do not care about the future. Do you really know what it means to leave Europe for the UK? Do you realize that we will be in isolation? How much will we lose trade contracts?
Well yeah, but alot of brexiteers would counter with "so what"? And they'd probably be happy if they stopped having to spend their national insurance on Romanian women's child benefit. Especially those who have never actually come to the uk...
So you want to ruin the country because of one xenophobic story in the Sun News paper. So many things we could say.
Most benefit fraud in the Uk is committed by British people.
Leaving the E.U. will cost us billions of times what we may have lost assuming this story is true.
These stories are designed to shift blame onto foreign people.
I can’t believe this bullshit still influences the way weak minded people think."
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms .
You want to separate yourself from Europe
Yes, I believe that's the whole point of brexit. Correct.
You are hypocrites and ignorant people who do not care about the future. Do you really know what it means to leave Europe for the UK? Do you realize that we will be in isolation? How much will we lose trade contracts?
Well yeah, but alot of brexiteers would counter with "so what"? And they'd probably be happy if they stopped having to spend their national insurance on Romanian women's child benefit. Especially those who have never actually come to the uk...
Typical nationalist talk. Are you a farage Brother? What is wrong with you? Stand in front of the mirror and ask yourself this question. "
I see you're the kind of girl that can't actually debate. You'll go far in the EU.  |
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms .
You want to separate yourself from Europe
Yes, I believe that's the whole point of brexit. Correct.
You are hypocrites and ignorant people who do not care about the future. Do you really know what it means to leave Europe for the UK? Do you realize that we will be in isolation? How much will we lose trade contracts?
Well yeah, but alot of brexiteers would counter with "so what"? And they'd probably be happy if they stopped having to spend their national insurance on Romanian women's child benefit. Especially those who have never actually come to the uk...
So you want to ruin the country because of one xenophobic story in the Sun News paper. So many things we could say.
Most benefit fraud in the Uk is committed by British people.
Leaving the E.U. will cost us billions of times what we may have lost assuming this story is true.
These stories are designed to shift blame onto foreign people.
I can’t believe this bullshit still influences the way weak minded people think."
If you could just point out the part where i said i agreed with the position then i might be able to give you a modicum of respect, until then i will continue to hold you with as little regard as i hold Farage and every other blinkered libtard dimwit on here. |
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over a year ago
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms .
You want to separate yourself from Europe
Yes, I believe that's the whole point of brexit. Correct.
You are hypocrites and ignorant people who do not care about the future. Do you really know what it means to leave Europe for the UK? Do you realize that we will be in isolation? How much will we lose trade contracts?
Well yeah, but alot of brexiteers would counter with "so what"? And they'd probably be happy if they stopped having to spend their national insurance on Romanian women's child benefit. Especially those who have never actually come to the uk...
Typical nationalist talk. Are you a farage Brother? What is wrong with you? Stand in front of the mirror and ask yourself this question.
I see you're the kind of girl that can't actually debate. You'll go far in the EU. "
I'm descending to brexiters level, unintentionally |
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms .
You want to separate yourself from Europe
Yes, I believe that's the whole point of brexit. Correct.
You are hypocrites and ignorant people who do not care about the future. Do you really know what it means to leave Europe for the UK? Do you realize that we will be in isolation? How much will we lose trade contracts?
Well yeah, but alot of brexiteers would counter with "so what"? And they'd probably be happy if they stopped having to spend their national insurance on Romanian women's child benefit. Especially those who have never actually come to the uk...
Typical nationalist talk. Are you a farage Brother? What is wrong with you? Stand in front of the mirror and ask yourself this question.
I see you're the kind of girl that can't actually debate. You'll go far in the EU.
I'm descending to brexiters level, unintentionally "
Well there you have an advantage over me. |
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over a year ago
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms .
You want to separate yourself from Europe
Yes, I believe that's the whole point of brexit. Correct.
You are hypocrites and ignorant people who do not care about the future. Do you really know what it means to leave Europe for the UK? Do you realize that we will be in isolation? How much will we lose trade contracts?
Well yeah, but alot of brexiteers would counter with "so what"? And they'd probably be happy if they stopped having to spend their national insurance on Romanian women's child benefit. Especially those who have never actually come to the uk...
So you want to ruin the country because of one xenophobic story in the Sun News paper. So many things we could say.
Most benefit fraud in the Uk is committed by British people.
Leaving the E.U. will cost us billions of times what we may have lost assuming this story is true.
These stories are designed to shift blame onto foreign people.
I can’t believe this bullshit still influences the way weak minded people think.
If you could just point out the part where i said i agreed with the position then i might be able to give you a modicum of respect, until then i will continue to hold you with as little regard as i hold Farage and every other blinkered libtard dimwit on here."
I think you’re confusing me with someone else. And I think you’re confused about who Farage is. |
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms .
You want to separate yourself from Europe
Yes, I believe that's the whole point of brexit. Correct.
You are hypocrites and ignorant people who do not care about the future. Do you really know what it means to leave Europe for the UK? Do you realize that we will be in isolation? How much will we lose trade contracts?
Well yeah, but alot of brexiteers would counter with "so what"? And they'd probably be happy if they stopped having to spend their national insurance on Romanian women's child benefit. Especially those who have never actually come to the uk...
So you want to ruin the country because of one xenophobic story in the Sun News paper. So many things we could say.
Most benefit fraud in the Uk is committed by British people.
Leaving the E.U. will cost us billions of times what we may have lost assuming this story is true.
These stories are designed to shift blame onto foreign people.
I can’t believe this bullshit still influences the way weak minded people think.
If you could just point out the part where i said i agreed with the position then i might be able to give you a modicum of respect, until then i will continue to hold you with as little regard as i hold Farage and every other blinkered libtard dimwit on here.
I think you’re confusing me with someone else. And I think you’re confused about who Farage is. "
Well Farage is a fucking idiot. |
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over a year ago
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms .
You want to separate yourself from Europe
Yes, I believe that's the whole point of brexit. Correct.
You are hypocrites and ignorant people who do not care about the future. Do you really know what it means to leave Europe for the UK? Do you realize that we will be in isolation? How much will we lose trade contracts?
Well yeah, but alot of brexiteers would counter with "so what"? And they'd probably be happy if they stopped having to spend their national insurance on Romanian women's child benefit. Especially those who have never actually come to the uk...
So you want to ruin the country because of one xenophobic story in the Sun News paper. So many things we could say.
Most benefit fraud in the Uk is committed by British people.
Leaving the E.U. will cost us billions of times what we may have lost assuming this story is true.
These stories are designed to shift blame onto foreign people.
I can’t believe this bullshit still influences the way weak minded people think.
If you could just point out the part where i said i agreed with the position then i might be able to give you a modicum of respect, until then i will continue to hold you with as little regard as i hold Farage and every other blinkered libtard dimwit on here.
I think you’re confusing me with someone else. And I think you’re confused about who Farage is.
Well Farage is a fucking idiot. "
Indeed. But you’re the first person to call him a “libtard”. |
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over a year ago
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms .
You want to separate yourself from Europe
Yes, I believe that's the whole point of brexit. Correct.
You are hypocrites and ignorant people who do not care about the future. Do you really know what it means to leave Europe for the UK? Do you realize that we will be in isolation? How much will we lose trade contracts?
Well yeah, but alot of brexiteers would counter with "so what"? And they'd probably be happy if they stopped having to spend their national insurance on Romanian women's child benefit. Especially those who have never actually come to the uk...
So you want to ruin the country because of one xenophobic story in the Sun News paper. So many things we could say.
Most benefit fraud in the Uk is committed by British people.
Leaving the E.U. will cost us billions of times what we may have lost assuming this story is true.
These stories are designed to shift blame onto foreign people.
I can’t believe this bullshit still influences the way weak minded people think.
If you could just point out the part where i said i agreed with the position then i might be able to give you a modicum of respect, until then i will continue to hold you with as little regard as i hold Farage and every other blinkered libtard dimwit on here.
I think you’re confusing me with someone else. And I think you’re confused about who Farage is.
Well Farage is a fucking idiot. "
He is. It is true. What's next? |
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms .
You want to separate yourself from Europe
Yes, I believe that's the whole point of brexit. Correct.
You are hypocrites and ignorant people who do not care about the future. Do you really know what it means to leave Europe for the UK? Do you realize that we will be in isolation? How much will we lose trade contracts?
Well yeah, but alot of brexiteers would counter with "so what"? And they'd probably be happy if they stopped having to spend their national insurance on Romanian women's child benefit. Especially those who have never actually come to the uk...
So you want to ruin the country because of one xenophobic story in the Sun News paper. So many things we could say.
Most benefit fraud in the Uk is committed by British people.
Leaving the E.U. will cost us billions of times what we may have lost assuming this story is true.
These stories are designed to shift blame onto foreign people.
I can’t believe this bullshit still influences the way weak minded people think.
If you could just point out the part where i said i agreed with the position then i might be able to give you a modicum of respect, until then i will continue to hold you with as little regard as i hold Farage and every other blinkered libtard dimwit on here.
I think you’re confusing me with someone else. And I think you’re confused about who Farage is.
Well Farage is a fucking idiot.
Indeed. But you’re the first person to call him a “libtard”."
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms .
You want to separate yourself from Europe
Yes, I believe that's the whole point of brexit. Correct.
You are hypocrites and ignorant people who do not care about the future. Do you really know what it means to leave Europe for the UK? Do you realize that we will be in isolation? How much will we lose trade contracts?
Well yeah, but alot of brexiteers would counter with "so what"? And they'd probably be happy if they stopped having to spend their national insurance on Romanian women's child benefit. Especially those who have never actually come to the uk...
So you want to ruin the country because of one xenophobic story in the Sun News paper. So many things we could say.
Most benefit fraud in the Uk is committed by British people.
Leaving the E.U. will cost us billions of times what we may have lost assuming this story is true.
These stories are designed to shift blame onto foreign people.
I can’t believe this bullshit still influences the way weak minded people think.
If you could just point out the part where i said i agreed with the position then i might be able to give you a modicum of respect, until then i will continue to hold you with as little regard as i hold Farage and every other blinkered libtard dimwit on here.
I think you’re confusing me with someone else. And I think you’re confused about who Farage is.
Well Farage is a fucking idiot.
Indeed. But you’re the first person to call him a “libtard”.
I see the mistake you've made, but don't worry i always make an exception for you. You see Farage isn't a member of Fab... do you see?"
No, But he's still trying to be a leader for stupid people |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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you'd think by the posts of some of the people here you'd think they were still fighting WW2....
sometimes they feel like they need someone to blame and the EU, in particular france and germany, are a convinient target
harping back to the "good old days" of the empire....... ect ect ect |
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms . Exactly
You have fundamentally missed the point.
We are moving from being an integral part of an international superpower to being an external entity.
We are creating barriers between ourselves and our wealthy nearest neighbours.
We are taking ourselves out of a position of influence in one of the planet's most powerful entities to belie e that we will somehow be stronger on our own.
Do individuals or unions do better during negotiations on pay and working conditions?
Within the EU there is competition but a win for an EU state works out overall as a win for all.
This will no longer be the case.
The EU will now be a strategic competitor and they are far bigger and more powerful than us."
The EU doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'competition'. The EU is the most uncompetitive and stagnant economic area in the world (other than Antarctica).
USA representatives described the EU's farming practices under the EU's common agricultural policy as being like something out of a museum just a couple of weeks ago. |
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"Thank you, very wise answer. Should we not live as a Europe as a community? There is strength in unity. There is a real threat from Russia, maybe also from China. No one knows what they will come up withJust because we want to leave does not mean we dont want to be friends we can still support each other without being ruled by an eu.
Friendship means friendship, friends are not abandoned. Earlier someone wrote that we can manage alone. I do not believe that.
It's like you've never heard of NATO?"
Exactly it is Nato that protects us from any potential threat from Russia or China, not the EU. |
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms . Exactly
You have fundamentally missed the point.
We are moving from being an integral part of an international superpower to being an external entity.
We are creating barriers between ourselves and our wealthy nearest neighbours.
We are taking ourselves out of a position of influence in one of the planet's most powerful entities to belie e that we will somehow be stronger on our own.
Do individuals or unions do better during negotiations on pay and working conditions?
Within the EU there is competition but a win for an EU state works out overall as a win for all.
This will no longer be the case.
The EU will now be a strategic competitor and they are far bigger and more powerful than us.
The EU doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'competition'. The EU is the most uncompetitive and stagnant economic area in the world (other than Antarctica).
USA representatives described the EU's farming practices under the EU's common agricultural policy as being like something out of a museum just a couple of weeks ago. "
Hello, you are probably tired after the march and you do not know what you're writing about. What do you understand? |
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"Thank you, very wise answer. Should we not live as a Europe as a community? There is strength in unity. There is a real threat from Russia, maybe also from China. No one knows what they will come up withJust because we want to leave does not mean we dont want to be friends we can still support each other without being ruled by an eu.
Friendship means friendship, friends are not abandoned. Earlier someone wrote that we can manage alone. I do not believe that.
It's like you've never heard of NATO?
Exactly it is Nato that protects us from any potential threat from Russia or China, not the EU. "
Who will protect us if we stay alone? |
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms . Exactly
You have fundamentally missed the point.
We are moving from being an integral part of an international superpower to being an external entity.
We are creating barriers between ourselves and our wealthy nearest neighbours.
We are taking ourselves out of a position of influence in one of the planet's most powerful entities to belie e that we will somehow be stronger on our own.
Do individuals or unions do better during negotiations on pay and working conditions?
Within the EU there is competition but a win for an EU state works out overall as a win for all.
This will no longer be the case.
The EU will now be a strategic competitor and they are far bigger and more powerful than us.
The EU doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'competition'. The EU is the most uncompetitive and stagnant economic area in the world (other than Antarctica).
USA representatives described the EU's farming practices under the EU's common agricultural policy as being like something out of a museum just a couple of weeks ago.
Hello, you are probably tired after the march and you do not know what you're writing about. What do you understand?"
I haven't been on any March. I'll be joining the March to Leave when it passes my area (the Midlands) next weekend. You're the one who doesn't know what you're writing about here. |
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"Thank you, very wise answer. Should we not live as a Europe as a community? There is strength in unity. There is a real threat from Russia, maybe also from China. No one knows what they will come up withJust because we want to leave does not mean we dont want to be friends we can still support each other without being ruled by an eu.
Friendship means friendship, friends are not abandoned. Earlier someone wrote that we can manage alone. I do not believe that.
It's like you've never heard of NATO?
Exactly it is Nato that protects us from any potential threat from Russia or China, not the EU.
Who will protect us if we stay alone?"
????
What do you mean stay alone? We're leaving the EU.
We're not leaving Nato. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms . Exactly
You have fundamentally missed the point.
We are moving from being an integral part of an international superpower to being an external entity.
We are creating barriers between ourselves and our wealthy nearest neighbours.
We are taking ourselves out of a position of influence in one of the planet's most powerful entities to belie e that we will somehow be stronger on our own.
Do individuals or unions do better during negotiations on pay and working conditions?
Within the EU there is competition but a win for an EU state works out overall as a win for all.
This will no longer be the case.
The EU will now be a strategic competitor and they are far bigger and more powerful than us.
The EU doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'competition'. The EU is the most uncompetitive and stagnant economic area in the world (other than Antarctica).
USA representatives described the EU's farming practices under the EU's common agricultural policy as being like something out of a museum just a couple of weeks ago. "
Of the G7, four are in the EU.
The EU has either the second or third highest GDP nominal and per capita in the world depending on the measure.
Why would I care what US trade representatives think? Why should anyone? They're hardly inbiased
The actual point, which you either missed or are trying to distract from, is that we will not be "friends" with the EU. We will be competitors although we will be much smaller and less powerful than they are. |
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms . Exactly
You have fundamentally missed the point.
We are moving from being an integral part of an international superpower to being an external entity.
We are creating barriers between ourselves and our wealthy nearest neighbours.
We are taking ourselves out of a position of influence in one of the planet's most powerful entities to belie e that we will somehow be stronger on our own.
Do individuals or unions do better during negotiations on pay and working conditions?
Within the EU there is competition but a win for an EU state works out overall as a win for all.
This will no longer be the case.
The EU will now be a strategic competitor and they are far bigger and more powerful than us.
The EU doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'competition'. The EU is the most uncompetitive and stagnant economic area in the world (other than Antarctica).
USA representatives described the EU's farming practices under the EU's common agricultural policy as being like something out of a museum just a couple of weeks ago. "
Are you for real??
The US put ‘food’ on their shelves which is grown in a fucking lab.
Corn with genetics spliced from bacteria.
Cattle pumped full of steroids and antibiotics.
Glyphosate drenched over their crops.
These all cause serious, often terminal diseases.
It’s up to you what you put in your mouth but I warn you, you will regret it.
And before you say I’m just scared you’re going to be buying cheap American food like you did previously - consider, what sense does that make? I am not even in that business. What possible interest would I have what you eat. This is just advice from one person to another. |
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms . Exactly
You have fundamentally missed the point.
We are moving from being an integral part of an international superpower to being an external entity.
We are creating barriers between ourselves and our wealthy nearest neighbours.
We are taking ourselves out of a position of influence in one of the planet's most powerful entities to belie e that we will somehow be stronger on our own.
Do individuals or unions do better during negotiations on pay and working conditions?
Within the EU there is competition but a win for an EU state works out overall as a win for all.
This will no longer be the case.
The EU will now be a strategic competitor and they are far bigger and more powerful than us.
The EU doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'competition'. The EU is the most uncompetitive and stagnant economic area in the world (other than Antarctica).
USA representatives described the EU's farming practices under the EU's common agricultural policy as being like something out of a museum just a couple of weeks ago.
Hello, you are probably tired after the march and you do not know what you're writing about. What do you understand?"
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I’d say the problem is mainly due to poor education levels and the mainstream media.
The Tories run down our state education with underfunding after they’ve already set the bar pretty low in the first place.
Couple that ignorance - especially historical ignorance, with brainwashing from the MSM and you have a island full of bozz-eyed mouth frothers who’d punch their granny if Murdoch or Farage told them to.
There are also a lot of racists here and that makes the work of the media much easier.
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. All the UK wants to do is create a level playing field . Only a few countries make a significant contribution to the EU findings. Others get far more back than they put in.
Europe will still be our friends. We are simply amending out trading terms . Exactly
You have fundamentally missed the point.
We are moving from being an integral part of an international superpower to being an external entity.
We are creating barriers between ourselves and our wealthy nearest neighbours.
We are taking ourselves out of a position of influence in one of the planet's most powerful entities to belie e that we will somehow be stronger on our own.
Do individuals or unions do better during negotiations on pay and working conditions?
Within the EU there is competition but a win for an EU state works out overall as a win for all.
This will no longer be the case.
The EU will now be a strategic competitor and they are far bigger and more powerful than us.
The EU doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'competition'. The EU is the most uncompetitive and stagnant economic area in the world (other than Antarctica).
USA representatives described the EU's farming practices under the EU's common agricultural policy as being like something out of a museum just a couple of weeks ago. "
The most protectionist economy in the world is the USA. The irony o the US Ambassador's comments seems to have gone right over your head |
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"We are an island race.....and that includes those who are "new islanders".
I never believed that Brexit would stop immigration nor would that be desirable. It will mean that we can admit more Commonwealth and third country applicants because they qualify on ability or because they bring more to the table than simply restricting inward migration on the accident of being born in the EU. Ironically, while holding itself up as a paragon of cultural diversity, the EU has restricted the opportunities for peoples outside of the European Union."
Excuse me but 270,000 migrants from around the world, which includes the Commonwealth came last year, we control those migrants now! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"We are an island race.....and that includes those who are "new islanders".
I never believed that Brexit would stop immigration nor would that be desirable. It will mean that we can admit more Commonwealth and third country applicants because they qualify on ability or because they bring more to the table than simply restricting inward migration on the accident of being born in the EU. Ironically, while holding itself up as a paragon of cultural diversity, the EU has restricted the opportunities for peoples outside of the European Union.
Excuse me but 270,000 migrants from around the world, which includes the Commonwealth came last year, we control those migrants now!"
We have consistently had higher non EU immigration than EU.
Pretending to want more "equality" is a specious argument. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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It took the tribes of the British mainland until the 18th century to realise there was an alternative to the repititive slaughter of each other - economic integration with political and monetary union.
It took the tribes of the Continent until the 20th century to realise there was an alternative to the repititive slaughter of each other - economic integration with political and monetary union.
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"There is strength in unity. Why does UK want to be isolated? Because we are here? Immigrants? Only sensible posts, please. "
Personally, I feel we have no choice but to leave as the basic setup is all wrong. I don't believe any country should be allowed membership unless it can pay its way. If they had been honest from the very beginning in what their aims were, it wouldn't have come to this. We wouldn't have become as involved as we now are. But that's not just the fault of the EU. I lay the blame mainly at the feet of all our own MPs for being too economical with the truth over the last 40 years or so. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"An island mentality, relatively insulated from centuries of slaughter between warring neighbours on the continent.
Europe is enjoying its longest period of unbroken peace since the Romans packed their bags and went home.
Economic co-operation and integration has done more to take down the barriers between states and neuter those aggressive tendencies of beggar thy neighbour.
Not so in the UK, where English exceptionalism creates unrealistic expectations of greatness at the expense of our neighbours."
where to you get this from? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
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"It took the tribes of the British mainland until the 18th century to realise there was an alternative to the repititive slaughter of each other - economic integration with political and monetary union.
It took the tribes of the Continent until the 20th century to realise there was an alternative to the repititive slaughter of each other - economic integration with political and monetary union.
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"It took the tribes of the British mainland until the 18th century to realise there was an alternative to the repititive slaughter of each other - economic integration with political and monetary union.
It took the tribes of the Continent until the 20th century to realise there was an alternative to the repititive slaughter of each other - economic integration with political and monetary union.
You really do not have a clue why people voted to leave and you are British so you must know this"
Confusion, misunderstanding, misinformation, misdirected blame, ignorance. Some of the main reasons. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"It took the tribes of the British mainland until the 18th century to realise there was an alternative to the repititive slaughter of each other - economic integration with political and monetary union.
It took the tribes of the Continent until the 20th century to realise there was an alternative to the repititive slaughter of each other - economic integration with political and monetary union.
You really do not have a clue why people voted to leave and you are British so you must know this"
Your question - or was it a statement, I'm not sure - is a contradiction of itself.
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"An island mentality, relatively insulated from centuries of slaughter between warring neighbours on the continent.
Europe is enjoying its longest period of unbroken peace since the Romans packed their bags and went home.
Economic co-operation and integration has done more to take down the barriers between states and neuter those aggressive tendencies of beggar thy neighbour.
Not so in the UK, where English exceptionalism creates unrealistic expectations of greatness at the expense of our neighbours.where to you get this from?"
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