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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I really couldn’t care.
I’ll carry on about my day to day life until some one comes up with an agreeable solution. Once that point is reached I’ll decide on what i do. |
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over a year ago
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"Let’s be honest here, Britain is in a complete let’s mess, no direction no resolve from our leaders..
What the hell are we doing?
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Not really i mean throw a dart at a map of Africa or south America and you'll see a real mess.
Some political handwringing over treaties and organisational arrangements is naff all compared to the majority of the worlds screw up states |
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The bottom line is we held a democratic referendum and whether you like the outcome or not the vote was to leave. I didn't actually want that, but as that was the outcome as a true believer in democracy I have to support it.
Europe doesnt want us to leave so they negotiated with that as their 'target' and we have allowed them to do so instead of negotiating with the target of leaving the EU we have negotiated with the target of wanting to stay in partially ie: common trade, open borders etc. This was never going to happen but we could have had a reasonable deal if we had negotiated from a point of strength.
Gods I cant believe Im saying this but I actually agree with what Nigel Farage said about Theresa Mays last ditch attempt:
"Is that she could say to Mr Juncker.
Now look we have an EU withdrawal act. It is there in law and it only changes if I decide as Prime Minister with my Government and Cabinet to change that law.
Unless you start being reasonable I may have no choice but to leave with no deal at 11pm on March 29.
And do you know something, it is going to hurt you an awful lot more than it's going to hurt me.
I wonder, I just wonder whether she has got the spirit, the strength and the resolve to do it.
I do hope so, but I doubt it.”
I do think and believe if we had negotiated with that attitude and from that point of strength we wouldn't be in this mess and their would be a fair deal on the table we could all agree to. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The bottom line is we held a democratic referendum and whether you like the outcome or not the vote was to leave. I didn't actually want that, but as that was the outcome as a true believer in democracy I have to support it.
Europe doesnt want us to leave so they negotiated with that as their 'target' and we have allowed them to do so instead of negotiating with the target of leaving the EU we have negotiated with the target of wanting to stay in partially ie: common trade, open borders etc. This was never going to happen but we could have had a reasonable deal if we had negotiated from a point of strength.
Gods I cant believe Im saying this but I actually agree with what Nigel Farage said about Theresa Mays last ditch attempt:
"Is that she could say to Mr Juncker.
Now look we have an EU withdrawal act. It is there in law and it only changes if I decide as Prime Minister with my Government and Cabinet to change that law.
Unless you start being reasonable I may have no choice but to leave with no deal at 11pm on March 29.
And do you know something, it is going to hurt you an awful lot more than it's going to hurt me.
I wonder, I just wonder whether she has got the spirit, the strength and the resolve to do it.
I do hope so, but I doubt it.”
I do think and believe if we had negotiated with that attitude and from that point of strength we wouldn't be in this mess and their would be a fair deal on the table we could all agree to."
How many votes are politicians having?
We have a ge every 4 years knowing in 4 years there will be another
The vote was 3 years ago and people have changed their minds
The only reason leavers are scared is because their nationalistic romantic dream is crumbling |
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By *tella Heels OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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My post was not just about Brexit
This country is lacking strong leadership, the Brexit issue has shown me what utter chaos our government is in.
A split opposition party with an archaic extreme right leader, Theresa May is a dithering idiot, she changes her mind as often as the wind changes...
We have Honda and Nissan leaving the U.K.
We have become an embarrassment |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I am all for democracy,yes we had a vote and voted on the information that was feed to us at the time. However to pursue an avenue that is not good for us because we had a vote over two years ago is not logical. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Fucked if we stay
Fucked if we leave
Fucked by labour
Fucked by tories
Fucked by lib dem
Fucked either way, it's just choosing which has the smallest dick to fuck us with to cause the least pain. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Let’s be honest here, Britain is in a complete let’s mess, no direction no resolve from our leaders..
What the hell are we doing?
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Go backpacking aroung Europe?  |
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Apart from how boring the news is has anyone actually been affected by any of this?
Any jobs lost or gained, prices gone up or down? Anything? No.
Economics runs countries not politicians, don't worry about it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Fucked if we stay
Fucked if we leave
Fucked by labour
Fucked by tories
Fucked by lib dem
Fucked either way, it's just choosing which has the smallest dick to fuck us with to cause the least pain. 
I see the greens didn't fuck you.. "
Addendum: Fucked by the rest |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I really couldn’t care.
I’ll carry on about my day to day life until some one comes up with an agreeable solution. Once that point is reached I’ll decide on what i do. "
I agree with this.
I fall in to the group in society that's screwed constantly so this feels like it makes little difference at the moment to me |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Apart from how boring the news is has anyone actually been affected by any of this?
Any jobs lost or gained, prices gone up or down? Anything? No.
Economics runs countries not politicians, don't worry about it. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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MPs voted to extend Brexit to June, but the majority of those voting against an extension were Tory. So they voted against all May's deals, voted against no deal and now they voted against an extension. What do they want exactly? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"MPs voted to extend Brexit to June, but the majority of those voting against an extension were Tory. So they voted against all May's deals, voted against no deal and now they voted against an extension. What do they want exactly? "
They wanna go to The Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for it to all blow over. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"MPs voted to extend Brexit to June, but the majority of those voting against an extension were Tory. So they voted against all May's deals, voted against no deal and now they voted against an extension. What do they want exactly? "
Somone else to take responsibility |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
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"Apart from how boring the news is has anyone actually been affected by any of this?
Any jobs lost or gained, prices gone up or down? Anything? No.
Economics runs countries not politicians, don't worry about it. "
...but the economic climate is overseen by....politicians, jobs lost? Nissan, Toyota,JLR...other factors also but this mess must play a role... |
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"Apart from how boring the news is has anyone actually been affected by any of this?
Any jobs lost or gained, prices gone up or down? Anything? No.
Economics runs countries not politicians, don't worry about it.
...but the economic climate is overseen by....politicians, jobs lost? Nissan, Toyota,JLR...other factors also but this mess must play a role..."
Nissan? diesel sales down no job loss' I could go on...... Lidles announced any plans to change their status in the UK? No......why the full stops? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Let’s be honest here, Britain is in a complete let’s mess, no direction no resolve from our leaders..
What the hell are we doing?
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Well ye are pretty much fucked us Irish are your closet friends the rest of Europe is laughing at your government I advise having us as your friends is in your best interest |
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By *tella Heels OP TV/TS
over a year ago
west here ford shire |
The panic in the brewing industry due to brexit is astonishing, 8 to 12 containers a day are being loaded in case of port and customs issues, the food industry are doing the same.
This is getting very worrying |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Let’s be honest here, Britain is in a complete let’s mess, no direction no resolve from our leaders..
What the hell are we doing?
Its bliss compared with France and Italy. "
Not my experience at all |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"MPs voted to extend Brexit to June, but the majority of those voting against an extension were Tory. So they voted against all May's deals, voted against no deal and now they voted against an extension. What do they want exactly? "
The hardest of hard Brexits, sat their in their Union Jack underpants masturbating at the thought.
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By (user no longer on site)
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This is the thing with the British they always act before they think about things like your literally taking a shit on the good Friday agreement years off peace is getting threatened with this carry on |
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Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament |
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament "
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party. |
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"My post was not just about Brexit
This country is lacking strong leadership, the Brexit issue has shown me what utter chaos our government is in.
A split opposition party with an archaic extreme right leader, Theresa May is a dithering idiot, she changes her mind as often as the wind changes...
We have Honda and Nissan leaving the U.K.
We have become an embarrassment "
Nissan are not leaving the UK. Only production of one model, the diesel X-trail is moving to Japan. The Juke, Quashqai, and Leaf will continue to be made in the UK. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party. "
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried. |
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried. "
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU? "
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party. "
I think you've forgotten or are extremely confused as to what politics and political parties are all about if you think EVERY PARTY should back the exact same thing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes."
We just have to look at what happened in NZ today, that's far right extremists, and there are a number on this site who fit that category! |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"The bottom line is we held a democratic referendum and whether you like the outcome or not the vote was to leave. I didn't actually want that, but as that was the outcome as a true believer in democracy I have to support it.
Europe doesnt want us to leave so they negotiated with that as their 'target' and we have allowed them to do so instead of negotiating with the target of leaving the EU we have negotiated with the target of wanting to stay in partially ie: common trade, open borders etc. This was never going to happen but we could have had a reasonable deal if we had negotiated from a point of strength.
Gods I cant believe Im saying this but I actually agree with what Nigel Farage said about Theresa Mays last ditch attempt:
"Is that she could say to Mr Juncker.
Now look we have an EU withdrawal act. It is there in law and it only changes if I decide as Prime Minister with my Government and Cabinet to change that law.
Unless you start being reasonable I may have no choice but to leave with no deal at 11pm on March 29.
And do you know something, it is going to hurt you an awful lot more than it's going to hurt me.
I wonder, I just wonder whether she has got the spirit, the strength and the resolve to do it.
I do hope so, but I doubt it.”
I do think and believe if we had negotiated with that attitude and from that point of strength we wouldn't be in this mess and their would be a fair deal on the table we could all agree to."
Completely agree and I believe that is the feeling of millions of British people. |
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"Don't give a monkey's...our business is flying and all this crap has not affected us ....just think how well it could be without all the negativity about"
Brexit voter in a nutshell
I'm all right so fuck the rest of you
In my business I have to tell my customers
Ok so the £20000 product you want to order now , will take a month to come from europe
I have to tell you that the price might be 22000 when you collect
How many fucking orders do you think I'm fucking taking
No negativity , reality
It's a disgusting mess |
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes."
My view on immigration is that it should be controlled, as opposed to your view that we should have open borders and the doors flung open to anyone who wants to come in. Which view is more extreme?
You appear to label anyone who disagrees with you on here as extreme. Take a look in the mirror. |
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"Don't give a monkey's...our business is flying and all this crap has not affected us ....just think how well it could be without all the negativity about
Brexit voter in a nutshell
I'm all right so fuck the rest of you
In my business I have to tell my customers
Ok so the £20000 product you want to order now , will take a month to come from europe
I have to tell you that the price might be 22000 when you collect
How many fucking orders do you think I'm fucking taking
No negativity , reality
It's a disgusting mess"
Seems to me that for the last 40 years in the EU remainers like you have been saying 'I'm alright, fuck the rest of you' to others in the country who were struggling or who were left behind (Many of the lower working class who voted Leave).
Take a spoonful of your own fucking medicine! |
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over a year ago
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"Let’s be honest here, Britain is in a complete let’s mess, no direction no resolve from our leaders..
What the hell are we doing?
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Exactly to many politicians with own agendas rather than countries interest at heart.. such a shame.. 
I’ve got a feeling we’ll end up not leaving... it’s all one big joke |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes.
My view on immigration is that it should be controlled, as opposed to your view that we should have open borders and the doors flung open to anyone who wants to come in. Which view is more extreme?
You appear to label anyone who disagrees with you on here as extreme. Take a look in the mirror. "
Firstly. That's not what you've said before on your long incoherent and misinformed rants about immigration in the past.
Secondly, I have never mentioned my opinion on immigration on the fab forums, so you've made up some lies about me to try to win some kind of argument about your extreme views not being extreme, and something non-existant being extreme.
As we all know, immigration is a non-issue, made to divide people who should be standing together against the rich and powerful.
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes.
My view on immigration is that it should be controlled, as opposed to your view that we should have open borders and the doors flung open to anyone who wants to come in. Which view is more extreme?
You appear to label anyone who disagrees with you on here as extreme. Take a look in the mirror. "
Just for clarity, Britain has never had an open door policy on borders and immigration. It is controlled to an extent already. In terms of EU settlement, we have always been able to place restrictions (& return to their orignating country) on people who are not working or a student after 3 months. Britain has tended not to impose these restrictions, but that wasn’t the EU’s fault. It is crazy to blame the EU for immigration. |
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes.
My view on immigration is that it should be controlled, as opposed to your view that we should have open borders and the doors flung open to anyone who wants to come in. Which view is more extreme?
You appear to label anyone who disagrees with you on here as extreme. Take a look in the mirror.
Just for clarity, Britain has never had an open door policy on borders and immigration. It is controlled to an extent already. In terms of EU settlement, we have always been able to place restrictions (& return to their orignating country) on people who are not working or a student after 3 months. Britain has tended not to impose these restrictions, but that wasn’t the EU’s fault. It is crazy to blame the EU for immigration."
EU free movement is an open door free for all immigration policy, drawn up by bureaucrats in Brussels which must apply to all member states of the EU. |
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes.
My view on immigration is that it should be controlled, as opposed to your view that we should have open borders and the doors flung open to anyone who wants to come in. Which view is more extreme?
You appear to label anyone who disagrees with you on here as extreme. Take a look in the mirror.
Just for clarity, Britain has never had an open door policy on borders and immigration. It is controlled to an extent already. In terms of EU settlement, we have always been able to place restrictions (& return to their orignating country) on people who are not working or a student after 3 months. Britain has tended not to impose these restrictions, but that wasn’t the EU’s fault. It is crazy to blame the EU for immigration.
EU free movement is an open door free for all immigration policy, drawn up by bureaucrats in Brussels which must apply to all member states of the EU. "
& people either have to be students or work within 3 months or leave - EU law. So what is it you actually object to? |
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes.
My view on immigration is that it should be controlled, as opposed to your view that we should have open borders and the doors flung open to anyone who wants to come in. Which view is more extreme?
You appear to label anyone who disagrees with you on here as extreme. Take a look in the mirror.
Just for clarity, Britain has never had an open door policy on borders and immigration. It is controlled to an extent already. In terms of EU settlement, we have always been able to place restrictions (& return to their orignating country) on people who are not working or a student after 3 months. Britain has tended not to impose these restrictions, but that wasn’t the EU’s fault. It is crazy to blame the EU for immigration.
EU free movement is an open door free for all immigration policy, drawn up by bureaucrats in Brussels which must apply to all member states of the EU.
& people either have to be students or work within 3 months or leave - EU law. So what is it you actually object to?"
I'm against the whole concept of it. We should be an independent country, having our own independent immigration policy drawn up by our own elected representatives in Westminster.
EU free movement is also discriminatory in that it favours EU citizens and puts citizens from the rest of the world at a disadvantage. I think we should have a points based immigration system based on skilled workers that we need that treats all foreign citizens equally no matter where in the world they come from. An Indian doctor or an Australian engineer should be viewed as equal to an EU doctor or an EU engineer. |
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes.
My view on immigration is that it should be controlled, as opposed to your view that we should have open borders and the doors flung open to anyone who wants to come in. Which view is more extreme?
You appear to label anyone who disagrees with you on here as extreme. Take a look in the mirror.
Just for clarity, Britain has never had an open door policy on borders and immigration. It is controlled to an extent already. In terms of EU settlement, we have always been able to place restrictions (& return to their orignating country) on people who are not working or a student after 3 months. Britain has tended not to impose these restrictions, but that wasn’t the EU’s fault. It is crazy to blame the EU for immigration.
EU free movement is an open door free for all immigration policy, drawn up by bureaucrats in Brussels which must apply to all member states of the EU.
& people either have to be students or work within 3 months or leave - EU law. So what is it you actually object to?
I'm against the whole concept of it. We should be an independent country, having our own independent immigration policy drawn up by our own elected representatives in Westminster.
EU free movement is also discriminatory in that it favours EU citizens and puts citizens from the rest of the world at a disadvantage. I think we should have a points based immigration system based on skilled workers that we need that treats all foreign citizens equally no matter where in the world they come from. An Indian doctor or an Australian engineer should be viewed as equal to an EU doctor or an EU engineer. "
I don’t disagree on the points bit, just on where you draw the boundaries. We can already apply most of our own laws by not being in the Schengen area, which means we can manage our borders, should we want to.
In terms of Westminster making our laws, it would seem that our politicians can’t organise there way out of a damp paper bag, so placing any reliance on them to ‘fix’ our problems is optmistic to say the least. Perhaps embracing the EU properly and sending high calibre people to be our MEPs who genuinely embrace being part of the EU from a British perspective might be a better answer? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
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"Let’s be honest here, Britain is in a complete let’s mess, no direction no resolve from our leaders..
What the hell are we doing?
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A good question acting in a very selfish way,individuals just thinking of themselves not the country.They are also dishonest as parliament voted to leave EU on the 29th simple |
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What the hell are we doing?
A good question acting in a very selfish way,individuals just thinking of themselves not the country.They are also dishonest as parliament voted to leave EU on the 29th simple"
Apparently MPs are allowed multiple chances to vote, but the general population isn’t!? |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"Apart from how boring the news is has anyone actually been affected by any of this?
Any jobs lost or gained, prices gone up or down? Anything? No.
Economics runs countries not politicians, don't worry about it.
...but the economic climate is overseen by....politicians, jobs lost? Nissan, Toyota,JLR...other factors also but this mess must play a role...
Nissan? diesel sales down no job loss' I could go on...... Lidles announced any plans to change their status in the UK? No......why the full stops?"
i like full stops to make a pause...or---perhaps you prefer, I wasn't saying there were not other factors...___---in fact I did, however I really can't believe that hand in hand with diesel drop off goes other reasons, for example the uncertainty surrounding Brexit & tariffs (pause)making no difference. If it didn't why don't Nissan use the UK to manufacture electric cars & replace one car with another. Not sure what Lidl (or Aldi ) have to do with this. |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
We love democracy (suddenly) so much & yet we have the House of Lords, an unelected body that has some control over our laws. Theresa may in what is said to be the mother of democracy has put the same question to parliament 3X & STILL hasn't got the result she wanted, but the 52 to 48 can't be asked again...it is a crazy world. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes.
My view on immigration is that it should be controlled, as opposed to your view that we should have open borders and the doors flung open to anyone who wants to come in. Which view is more extreme?
You appear to label anyone who disagrees with you on here as extreme. Take a look in the mirror.
Just for clarity, Britain has never had an open door policy on borders and immigration. It is controlled to an extent already. In terms of EU settlement, we have always been able to place restrictions (& return to their orignating country) on people who are not working or a student after 3 months. Britain has tended not to impose these restrictions, but that wasn’t the EU’s fault. It is crazy to blame the EU for immigration.
EU free movement is an open door free for all immigration policy, drawn up by bureaucrats in Brussels which must apply to all member states of the EU.
& people either have to be students or work within 3 months or leave - EU law. So what is it you actually object to?
I'm against the whole concept of it. We should be an independent country, having our own independent immigration policy drawn up by our own elected representatives in Westminster.
EU free movement is also discriminatory in that it favours EU citizens and puts citizens from the rest of the world at a disadvantage. I think we should have a points based immigration system based on skilled workers that we need that treats all foreign citizens equally no matter where in the world they come from. An Indian doctor or an Australian engineer should be viewed as equal to an EU doctor or an EU engineer. "
see... freedom of movement is an interesting concept because loads of people like centy tend to forget that loads of UK people have taken advantage of it to go the other way... somewhere around 2.5- 3 million....
here is the dirty secret... we tend to get their younger working age tax paying people (which in all reports on the subject show that EU nationals are net contributors to the treasury....) and they get our... let say older residents!
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"Let’s be honest here, Britain is in a complete let’s mess, no direction no resolve from our leaders..
What the hell are we doing?
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We are doing exactly what the Brexit voters , voted for
Brexit voters say they deserve intellectual respect
That's good , because the senareo we have now was always going to be , it certainly isn't what we were told , it's of course not what Brexit voters wanted , however them wanting something was not will not cannot alter what has is or will happen
Thus logic tells us an intelligent Brexit voter expected the UK to be in this utter mess and voted for it
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"Let’s be honest here, Britain is in a complete let’s mess, no direction no resolve from our leaders..
What the hell are we doing?
Well ye are pretty much fucked us Irish are your closet friends the rest of Europe is laughing at your government I advise having us as your friends is in your best interest"
Irish are our best friends? You fuckers wouldn't even help in ww2. Hell the ira suded with rhe Nazis |
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes.
My view on immigration is that it should be controlled, as opposed to your view that we should have open borders and the doors flung open to anyone who wants to come in. Which view is more extreme?
You appear to label anyone who disagrees with you on here as extreme. Take a look in the mirror.
Just for clarity, Britain has never had an open door policy on borders and immigration. It is controlled to an extent already. In terms of EU settlement, we have always been able to place restrictions (& return to their orignating country) on people who are not working or a student after 3 months. Britain has tended not to impose these restrictions, but that wasn’t the EU’s fault. It is crazy to blame the EU for immigration.
EU free movement is an open door free for all immigration policy, drawn up by bureaucrats in Brussels which must apply to all member states of the EU.
& people either have to be students or work within 3 months or leave - EU law. So what is it you actually object to?
I'm against the whole concept of it. We should be an independent country, having our own independent immigration policy drawn up by our own elected representatives in Westminster.
EU free movement is also discriminatory in that it favours EU citizens and puts citizens from the rest of the world at a disadvantage. I think we should have a points based immigration system based on skilled workers that we need that treats all foreign citizens equally no matter where in the world they come from. An Indian doctor or an Australian engineer should be viewed as equal to an EU doctor or an EU engineer.
see... freedom of movement is an interesting concept because loads of people like centy tend to forget that loads of UK people have taken advantage of it to go the other way... somewhere around 2.5- 3 million....
here is the dirty secret... we tend to get their younger working age tax paying people (which in all reports on the subject show that EU nationals are net contributors to the treasury....) and they get our... let say older residents!
"
So we get the people who come to work and send money home thus taking money out of the economy while paying for thier health care.
Meanwhile they get a bunch of old people taking money into thier economy creating jobs and the uk government paying them for any healthcare they use?
Tax recipts are not the best way to look at this |
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So we get the people who come to work and send money home thus taking money out of the economy while paying for thier health care.
Meanwhile they get a bunch of old people taking money into thier economy creating jobs and the uk government paying them for any healthcare they use?
Tax recipts are not the best way to look at this"
I don't know a single EU worker here in the UK that does this. Their all living here with families just like me. |
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"We love democracy (suddenly) so much & yet we have the House of Lords, an unelected body that has some control over our laws. Theresa may in what is said to be the mother of democracy has put the same question to parliament 3X & STILL hasn't got the result she wanted, but the 52 to 48 can't be asked again...it is a crazy world."
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes.
My view on immigration is that it should be controlled, as opposed to your view that we should have open borders and the doors flung open to anyone who wants to come in. Which view is more extreme?
You appear to label anyone who disagrees with you on here as extreme. Take a look in the mirror.
Just for clarity, Britain has never had an open door policy on borders and immigration. It is controlled to an extent already. In terms of EU settlement, we have always been able to place restrictions (& return to their orignating country) on people who are not working or a student after 3 months. Britain has tended not to impose these restrictions, but that wasn’t the EU’s fault. It is crazy to blame the EU for immigration.
EU free movement is an open door free for all immigration policy, drawn up by bureaucrats in Brussels which must apply to all member states of the EU.
& people either have to be students or work within 3 months or leave - EU law. So what is it you actually object to?
I'm against the whole concept of it. We should be an independent country, having our own independent immigration policy drawn up by our own elected representatives in Westminster.
EU free movement is also discriminatory in that it favours EU citizens and puts citizens from the rest of the world at a disadvantage. I think we should have a points based immigration system based on skilled workers that we need that treats all foreign citizens equally no matter where in the world they come from. An Indian doctor or an Australian engineer should be viewed as equal to an EU doctor or an EU engineer.
see... freedom of movement is an interesting concept because loads of people like centy tend to forget that loads of UK people have taken advantage of it to go the other way... somewhere around 2.5- 3 million....
here is the dirty secret... we tend to get their younger working age tax paying people (which in all reports on the subject show that EU nationals are net contributors to the treasury....) and they get our... let say older residents!
So we get the people who come to work and send money home thus taking money out of the economy while paying for thier health care.
Meanwhile they get a bunch of old people taking money into thier economy creating jobs and the uk government paying them for any healthcare they use?
Tax recipts are not the best way to look at this"
We do not know anyone who sends money to Poland, probably someone does, but that's a small percentage. |
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We do not know anyone who sends money to Poland, probably someone does, but that's a small percentage.
You'll probably get accused of doing it next  "
Probably yes, we know that. Everything what is wrong in the UK is the fault of immigrants from Eastern Europe. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Let’s be honest here, Britain is in a complete let’s mess, no direction no resolve from our leaders..
What the hell are we doing?
Well ye are pretty much fucked us Irish are your closet friends the rest of Europe is laughing at your government I advise having us as your friends is in your best interest
Irish are our best friends? You fuckers wouldn't even help in ww2. Hell the ira suded with rhe Nazis "
Love it makes me laugh but so true |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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So we get the people who come to work and send money home thus taking money out of the economy while paying for thier health care.
Meanwhile they get a bunch of old people taking money into thier economy creating jobs and the uk government paying them for any healthcare they use?
Tax recipts are not the best way to look at this"
you are being disengenious...
1) if an EU citizen uses the NHS, that country gets billed by the NHS, they are not costing you a penny!.... so you acknowledge that in the 2nd part when you talk about ex pats healthcare being paid by the nhs... but not with people coming here, because it didn't suit your narrative....
2) if a person is working here, they are paying taxes here... they are having to spend money in our shops, which again generates the economy... which provides people with jobs.... who then pay more taxes....
i don't begrudge anyone saving a bit of money to send back home.... that was exactly what the windrush generation did!, they weren't planning on staying here... they just did! they sent money back home to support families, and a lot of people still do.....
so do you begrudge those people doing it as much as eu nationals... or is your distain only released for specific people... |
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"Let’s be honest here, Britain is in a complete let’s mess, no direction no resolve from our leaders..
What the hell are we doing?
Well ye are pretty much fucked us Irish are your closet friends the rest of Europe is laughing at your government I advise having us as your friends is in your best interest
Irish are our best friends? You fuckers wouldn't even help in ww2. Hell the ira suded with rhe Nazis "
Do you reserve the same hatred for the Swiss, the Spanish, the swedes, or is just the irish you want to lay into? |
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"Fucked if we stay
Fucked if we leave
Fucked by labour
Fucked by tories
Fucked by lib dem
Fucked either way, it's just choosing which has the smallest dick to fuck us with to cause the least pain.
I see the greens didn't fuck you.. "
Thats only because the veggies and vegans have eaten all the greens
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"Let’s be honest here, Britain is in a complete let’s mess, no direction no resolve from our leaders..
What the hell are we doing?
Well ye are pretty much fucked us Irish are your closet friends the rest of Europe is laughing at your government I advise having us as your friends is in your best interest
Irish are our best friends? You fuckers wouldn't even help in ww2. Hell the ira suded with rhe Nazis
Do you reserve the same hatred for the Swiss, the Spanish, the swedes, or is just the irish you want to lay into?"
The Spanish and Swiss nwver bombed civilians in the uk to help the nazis  |
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes.
My view on immigration is that it should be controlled, as opposed to your view that we should have open borders and the doors flung open to anyone who wants to come in. Which view is more extreme?
You appear to label anyone who disagrees with you on here as extreme. Take a look in the mirror.
Just for clarity, Britain has never had an open door policy on borders and immigration. It is controlled to an extent already. In terms of EU settlement, we have always been able to place restrictions (& return to their orignating country) on people who are not working or a student after 3 months. Britain has tended not to impose these restrictions, but that wasn’t the EU’s fault. It is crazy to blame the EU for immigration.
EU free movement is an open door free for all immigration policy, drawn up by bureaucrats in Brussels which must apply to all member states of the EU.
& people either have to be students or work within 3 months or leave - EU law. So what is it you actually object to?
I'm against the whole concept of it. We should be an independent country, having our own independent immigration policy drawn up by our own elected representatives in Westminster.
EU free movement is also discriminatory in that it favours EU citizens and puts citizens from the rest of the world at a disadvantage. I think we should have a points based immigration system based on skilled workers that we need that treats all foreign citizens equally no matter where in the world they come from. An Indian doctor or an Australian engineer should be viewed as equal to an EU doctor or an EU engineer.
see... freedom of movement is an interesting concept because loads of people like centy tend to forget that loads of UK people have taken advantage of it to go the other way... somewhere around 2.5- 3 million....
here is the dirty secret... we tend to get their younger working age tax paying people (which in all reports on the subject show that EU nationals are net contributors to the treasury....) and they get our... let say older residents!
So we get the people who come to work and send money home thus taking money out of the economy while paying for thier health care.
Meanwhile they get a bunch of old people taking money into thier economy creating jobs and the uk government paying them for any healthcare they use?
Tax recipts are not the best way to look at this
We do not know anyone who sends money to Poland, probably someone does, but that's a small percentage. "
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"Good post on Facebook discusses the same issue
I say sack the lot of them (politicians)
Let’s statt again"
Good idea but unfortunately the majority of politicians we seem to have are people who have never had a job run a company or been a shop steward etc. They are mostly university graduates who went straight into politics. As Billy Connolly once said anyone who wants to become a politician should immediately be banned from ever becoming one.
Perhaps we should select our politicians by lottery as some early democracies did at least that way the majority wont be people who actually want to be politicians. Yes we might get some idiots but can they be any worse than the idiots we have now?
I'm not actually seriously suggesting this but it does throw up some interesting thoughts on politics and political systems |
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"Good post on Facebook discusses the same issue
I say sack the lot of them (politicians)
Let’s statt again
Good idea but unfortunately the majority of politicians we seem to have are people who have never had a job run a company or been a shop steward etc. They are mostly university graduates who went straight into politics. As Billy Connolly once said anyone who wants to become a politician should immediately be banned from ever becoming one.
Perhaps we should select our politicians by lottery as some early democracies did at least that way the majority wont be people who actually want to be politicians. Yes we might get some idiots but can they be any worse than the idiots we have now?
I'm not actually seriously suggesting this but it does throw up some interesting thoughts on politics and political systems"
Well yeah what retard would take a 75k job whwre you're hated when you could hsve a 1.5mill job where your unknownd |
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"Good post on Facebook discusses the same issue
I say sack the lot of them (politicians)
Let’s statt again
Good idea but unfortunately the majority of politicians we seem to have are people who have never had a job run a company or been a shop steward etc. They are mostly university graduates who went straight into politics. As Billy Connolly once said anyone who wants to become a politician should immediately be banned from ever becoming one.
Perhaps we should select our politicians by lottery as some early democracies did at least that way the majority wont be people who actually want to be politicians. Yes we might get some idiots but can they be any worse than the idiots we have now?
I'm not actually seriously suggesting this but it does throw up some interesting thoughts on politics and political systems
Well yeah what retard would take a 75k job whwre you're hated when you could hsve a 1.5mill job where your unknownd"
Well at the moment 650 of them. |
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"Good post on Facebook discusses the same issue
I say sack the lot of them (politicians)
Let’s statt again
Good idea but unfortunately the majority of politicians we seem to have are people who have never had a job run a company or been a shop steward etc. They are mostly university graduates who went straight into politics. As Billy Connolly once said anyone who wants to become a politician should immediately be banned from ever becoming one.
Perhaps we should select our politicians by lottery as some early democracies did at least that way the majority wont be people who actually want to be politicians. Yes we might get some idiots but can they be any worse than the idiots we have now?
I'm not actually seriously suggesting this but it does throw up some interesting thoughts on politics and political systems
Well yeah what retard would take a 75k job whwre you're hated when you could hsve a 1.5mill job where your unknownd
Well at the moment 650 of them."
And how many make $$$$ on the side.
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
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"Good post on Facebook discusses the same issue
I say sack the lot of them (politicians)
Let’s statt again
Good idea but unfortunately the majority of politicians we seem to have are people who have never had a job run a company or been a shop steward etc. They are mostly university graduates who went straight into politics. As Billy Connolly once said anyone who wants to become a politician should immediately be banned from ever becoming one.
Perhaps we should select our politicians by lottery as some early democracies did at least that way the majority wont be people who actually want to be politicians. Yes we might get some idiots but can they be any worse than the idiots we have now?
I'm not actually seriously suggesting this but it does throw up some interesting thoughts on politics and political systems
Well yeah what retard would take a 75k job whwre you're hated when you could hsve a 1.5mill job where your unknownd"
ah but the 75k is an interim payment not including the most generous expenses you have ever seen, with the pay off being on the board here, 'advising' there..etc. |
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes.
My view on immigration is that it should be controlled, as opposed to your view that we should have open borders and the doors flung open to anyone who wants to come in. Which view is more extreme?
You appear to label anyone who disagrees with you on here as extreme. Take a look in the mirror.
Just for clarity, Britain has never had an open door policy on borders and immigration. It is controlled to an extent already. In terms of EU settlement, we have always been able to place restrictions (& return to their orignating country) on people who are not working or a student after 3 months. Britain has tended not to impose these restrictions, but that wasn’t the EU’s fault. It is crazy to blame the EU for immigration.
EU free movement is an open door free for all immigration policy, drawn up by bureaucrats in Brussels which must apply to all member states of the EU.
& people either have to be students or work within 3 months or leave - EU law. So what is it you actually object to?
I'm against the whole concept of it. We should be an independent country, having our own independent immigration policy drawn up by our own elected representatives in Westminster.
EU free movement is also discriminatory in that it favours EU citizens and puts citizens from the rest of the world at a disadvantage. I think we should have a points based immigration system based on skilled workers that we need that treats all foreign citizens equally no matter where in the world they come from. An Indian doctor or an Australian engineer should be viewed as equal to an EU doctor or an EU engineer.
see... freedom of movement is an interesting concept because loads of people like centy tend to forget that loads of UK people have taken advantage of it to go the other way... somewhere around 2.5- 3 million....
here is the dirty secret... we tend to get their younger working age tax paying people (which in all reports on the subject show that EU nationals are net contributors to the treasury....) and they get our... let say older residents!
So we get the people who come to work and send money home thus taking money out of the economy while paying for thier health care.
Meanwhile they get a bunch of old people taking money into thier economy creating jobs and the uk government paying them for any healthcare they use?
Tax recipts are not the best way to look at this
We do not know anyone who sends money to Poland, probably someone does, but that's a small percentage.
Are you a bit dim? Most polish who come here are sending money home"
Dim ? Maybe you're dim and you don't know what you're raving about. Only seasonal employees do this, most Polish in the UK bought or rented houses, live with their family and spend their money in the UK. They have no reason to send money to Poland. |
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes.
My view on immigration is that it should be controlled, as opposed to your view that we should have open borders and the doors flung open to anyone who wants to come in. Which view is more extreme?
You appear to label anyone who disagrees with you on here as extreme. Take a look in the mirror.
Just for clarity, Britain has never had an open door policy on borders and immigration. It is controlled to an extent already. In terms of EU settlement, we have always been able to place restrictions (& return to their orignating country) on people who are not working or a student after 3 months. Britain has tended not to impose these restrictions, but that wasn’t the EU’s fault. It is crazy to blame the EU for immigration.
EU free movement is an open door free for all immigration policy, drawn up by bureaucrats in Brussels which must apply to all member states of the EU.
& people either have to be students or work within 3 months or leave - EU law. So what is it you actually object to?
I'm against the whole concept of it. We should be an independent country, having our own independent immigration policy drawn up by our own elected representatives in Westminster.
EU free movement is also discriminatory in that it favours EU citizens and puts citizens from the rest of the world at a disadvantage. I think we should have a points based immigration system based on skilled workers that we need that treats all foreign citizens equally no matter where in the world they come from. An Indian doctor or an Australian engineer should be viewed as equal to an EU doctor or an EU engineer.
see... freedom of movement is an interesting concept because loads of people like centy tend to forget that loads of UK people have taken advantage of it to go the other way... somewhere around 2.5- 3 million....
here is the dirty secret... we tend to get their younger working age tax paying people (which in all reports on the subject show that EU nationals are net contributors to the treasury....) and they get our... let say older residents!
So we get the people who come to work and send money home thus taking money out of the economy while paying for thier health care.
Meanwhile they get a bunch of old people taking money into thier economy creating jobs and the uk government paying them for any healthcare they use?
Tax recipts are not the best way to look at this
We do not know anyone who sends money to Poland, probably someone does, but that's a small percentage.
Are you a bit dim? Most polish who come here are sending money home
Dim ? Maybe you're dim and you don't know what you're raving about. Only seasonal employees do this, most Polish in the UK bought or rented houses, live with their family and spend their money in the UK. They have no reason to send money to Poland. "
And one more thing, what about the British pensioners who spend their pensions in Spain and not in the UK? And what about British employees who work in EU countries and send money to the UK?  |
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes.
My view on immigration is that it should be controlled, as opposed to your view that we should have open borders and the doors flung open to anyone who wants to come in. Which view is more extreme?
You appear to label anyone who disagrees with you on here as extreme. Take a look in the mirror.
Just for clarity, Britain has never had an open door policy on borders and immigration. It is controlled to an extent already. In terms of EU settlement, we have always been able to place restrictions (& return to their orignating country) on people who are not working or a student after 3 months. Britain has tended not to impose these restrictions, but that wasn’t the EU’s fault. It is crazy to blame the EU for immigration.
EU free movement is an open door free for all immigration policy, drawn up by bureaucrats in Brussels which must apply to all member states of the EU.
& people either have to be students or work within 3 months or leave - EU law. So what is it you actually object to?
I'm against the whole concept of it. We should be an independent country, having our own independent immigration policy drawn up by our own elected representatives in Westminster.
EU free movement is also discriminatory in that it favours EU citizens and puts citizens from the rest of the world at a disadvantage. I think we should have a points based immigration system based on skilled workers that we need that treats all foreign citizens equally no matter where in the world they come from. An Indian doctor or an Australian engineer should be viewed as equal to an EU doctor or an EU engineer.
see... freedom of movement is an interesting concept because loads of people like centy tend to forget that loads of UK people have taken advantage of it to go the other way... somewhere around 2.5- 3 million....
here is the dirty secret... we tend to get their younger working age tax paying people (which in all reports on the subject show that EU nationals are net contributors to the treasury....) and they get our... let say older residents!
So we get the people who come to work and send money home thus taking money out of the economy while paying for thier health care.
Meanwhile they get a bunch of old people taking money into thier economy creating jobs and the uk government paying them for any healthcare they use?
Tax recipts are not the best way to look at this"
The biggest removal of tax receipts and money from the UK economy is not people sending money to their families back home. It is those using offshore tax havens and those moving their businesses to Monaco, Singapore and the Chanel Islands.
Stop falling for this nonsense, normal individual people do not have access to enough wealth to make any difference - but Dyson et al do... |
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So we get the people who come to work and send money home thus taking money out of the economy while paying for thier health care.
Meanwhile they get a bunch of old people taking money into thier economy creating jobs and the uk government paying them for any healthcare they use?
Tax recipts are not the best way to look at this
We do not know anyone who sends money to Poland, probably someone does, but that's a small percentage.
Are you a bit dim? Most polish who come here are sending money home"
I'd suggest that someone accusing others of being "dim" about a matter they themselves have no fucking real idea about is the "dim" one. |
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"Don't give a monkey's...our business is flying and all this crap has not affected us ....just think how well it could be without all the negativity about
Brexit voter in a nutshell
I'm all right so fuck the rest of you
In my business I have to tell my customers
Ok so the £20000 product you want to order now , will take a month to come from europe
I have to tell you that the price might be 22000 when you collect
How many fucking orders do you think I'm fucking taking
No negativity , reality
It's a disgusting mess"
I read your post yesterday but was unable to show my support for it as I’d been gagged for 24 hours for responding to the same person.
Another ‘I’m alright Jack’. They truly disgust me. People’s lives are being ruined by these imbeciles. People will die because of them. It’s unforgivable. |
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"Bring on an election. I hope you lot will remember the chaos this lot of pathetic numpties have caused and vote a good majority of them get voted out . They all deserve to go for what they have done. If your MP failed to in your eyes. You must vote them out ASAP. Do not forget or forgive them. I for one definately won't ever forgive this utter shambles that we have in parliament
I don't think I could ever vote for the Conservative party or the Labour party ever again after this. The Liberal Democrats have also betrayed their namesake and have shown themselves to not be democratic because they never accepted the result of the referendum. Liars and charlatans.
I'll now be voting for Nigel Farage's new Brexit party.
So you’re suggesting that only people that voted a certain way in a referendum on a single issue should be represented in parliament. Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
I don’t think Labour or even the Tories would be putting much time and effort into attracting extremists like you. So I’m sure they’re not too worried.
So I'm an extremist now because I refuse to support the shambolic main parties and I want to leave the EU?
You hold extreme views on immigration, Brexit and other issues yes.
My view on immigration is that it should be controlled, as opposed to your view that we should have open borders and the doors flung open to anyone who wants to come in. Which view is more extreme?
You appear to label anyone who disagrees with you on here as extreme. Take a look in the mirror.
Just for clarity, Britain has never had an open door policy on borders and immigration. It is controlled to an extent already. In terms of EU settlement, we have always been able to place restrictions (& return to their orignating country) on people who are not working or a student after 3 months. Britain has tended not to impose these restrictions, but that wasn’t the EU’s fault. It is crazy to blame the EU for immigration.
EU free movement is an open door free for all immigration policy, drawn up by bureaucrats in Brussels which must apply to all member states of the EU.
& people either have to be students or work within 3 months or leave - EU law. So what is it you actually object to?
I'm against the whole concept of it. We should be an independent country, having our own independent immigration policy drawn up by our own elected representatives in Westminster.
EU free movement is also discriminatory in that it favours EU citizens and puts citizens from the rest of the world at a disadvantage. I think we should have a points based immigration system based on skilled workers that we need that treats all foreign citizens equally no matter where in the world they come from. An Indian doctor or an Australian engineer should be viewed as equal to an EU doctor or an EU engineer.
see... freedom of movement is an interesting concept because loads of people like centy tend to forget that loads of UK people have taken advantage of it to go the other way... somewhere around 2.5- 3 million....
here is the dirty secret... we tend to get their younger working age tax paying people (which in all reports on the subject show that EU nationals are net contributors to the treasury....) and they get our... let say older residents!
So we get the people who come to work and send money home thus taking money out of the economy while paying for thier health care.
Meanwhile they get a bunch of old people taking money into thier economy creating jobs and the uk government paying them for any healthcare they use?
Tax recipts are not the best way to look at this
The biggest removal of tax receipts and money from the UK economy is not people sending money to their families back home. It is those using offshore tax havens and those moving their businesses to Monaco, Singapore and the Chanel Islands.
Stop falling for this nonsense, normal individual people do not have access to enough wealth to make any difference - but Dyson et al do..."
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