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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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What do you think is needed for the UK to actually Brexit.
Currently the Government's flavour of Brexit is unpalatable to the majority of MP's, a no deal Brexit is unpalatable to the majority also so where does that leave Brexit.
I don't see a 2nd referendum as any answer at all unless a Remain result came back and the government said right no Brexit, which I think would be wrong.
A General Election fight out between the Tories and Labour probably wouldn't change the dynamics of Parliament enough to help Brexit.
The only way I can see the UK going through Brexit is by a new Brexit party winning a General Election with a healthy majority now.
Until then I currently cannot see any other way to Brexit.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
52 % is a landslide in first-past-the-post.
Look what happened in Scotland at the 2015 General Election.
A year after the referendum, the 44% Yes vote went to the SNP and they won every seat bar one.
The next General Election is 2022.
Will Brexit happen by 2022? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
Depends what any individual actually believes "Brexit means Brexit" actually is.
If that was defined by anybody we would see what the real interest in it would be.
Nos that the cake and eat it option has been shown to be a lie and business reaction to a no deal more than project fear the ability to offer everything to everyone has gone.
Remain is the only option that has been unambiguous despite leavers attempts to pretend that it involved a promise of some undefined "reforms". Remain actually means remain with the continuous change that goes with it. Just like here.
We've just had two votes on the same question in Parliament.
What's the objection to the general population having the same option now? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Norway had 48:52 remain vote but they still went for (rather than completely remaining inside the EU) what is now termed the Norway option.
It’s a comprimise but it works.
Other option is a citizen’s assembly- take it out of the hands of politicians and let ordinary people a chance to decide. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Norway had 48:52 remain vote but they still went for (rather than completely remaining inside the EU) what is now termed the Norway option.
It’s a comprimise but it works.
Other option is a citizen’s assembly- take it out of the hands of politicians and let ordinary people a chance to decide."
At the time the Norwegian Govt acted with speed and decisiveness in order to prevent exactly what has happened in the UK.
Sometimes we do need to look at what others have done for clues.
There was nothing decisive about the referendum and everything that has happened since has only demonstrated that the country is split roughly 50/50 on the European question. On any given day Remain or Leave could win a small majority.
A consensus and not a ramrod is needed. May and the Conservatives have spectacularly failed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nothing has changed from the start. Negotiating any kind of deal that even gets close to what we have now is virtually impossible, the Tories knew this from day one and stuck TM in as PM to absorb the blame. There is literally nothing to gain in any kind of deal scenario. It’s always been a lose/lose situation and still is.
No deal is only an option if your a psychopath. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You can just see it if they do another referendum there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies 
The real hardliners will kick off and start smashing things up 
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Norway had 48:52 remain vote but they still went for (rather than completely remaining inside the EU) what is now termed the Norway option.
It’s a comprimise but it works.
Other option is a citizen’s assembly- take it out of the hands of politicians and let ordinary people a chance to decide.
That’s absolute horse shit,
Norway was never a member of the EEC or EU, they had a referendum in 1994, on whether or not to join the EEC, which was defeated by 52.2% to 47.8%.
The Norwegian Government abided by the outcome of the referendum!
Try to stick to facts, not what you heard down the pub or read in the Daily Mail"
What was wrong with what the poster said? The Norwegian Govt recognised the split in the nation and so joined EFTA and Shenghen, giving them EU benefits without actually being in the EU. A compromise that not necessarily everyone was happy with but which demonstrTed a consensus aligned to the demonstrated voting percentage. |
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"Norway had 48:52 remain vote but they still went for (rather than completely remaining inside the EU) what is now termed the Norway option.
It’s a comprimise but it works.
Other option is a citizen’s assembly- take it out of the hands of politicians and let ordinary people a chance to decide.
That’s absolute horse shit,
Norway was never a member of the EEC or EU, they had a referendum in 1994, on whether or not to join the EEC, which was defeated by 52.2% to 47.8%.
The Norwegian Government abided by the outcome of the referendum!
Try to stick to facts, not what you heard down the pub or read in the Daily Mail
What was wrong with what the poster said? The Norwegian Govt recognised the split in the nation and so joined EFTA and Shenghen, giving them EU benefits without actually being in the EU. A compromise that not necessarily everyone was happy with but which demonstrTed a consensus aligned to the demonstrated voting percentage."
The poster infers that there was a ‘remain’ vote, that Norway was inside the EEC/EU and and that the government went against the result of the referendum! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Norway had 48:52 remain vote but they still went for (rather than completely remaining inside the EU) what is now termed the Norway option.
It’s a comprimise but it works.
Other option is a citizen’s assembly- take it out of the hands of politicians and let ordinary people a chance to decide.
That’s absolute horse shit,
Norway was never a member of the EEC or EU, they had a referendum in 1994, on whether or not to join the EEC, which was defeated by 52.2% to 47.8%.
The Norwegian Government abided by the outcome of the referendum!
Try to stick to facts, not what you heard down the pub or read in the Daily Mail
What was wrong with what the poster said? The Norwegian Govt recognised the split in the nation and so joined EFTA and Shenghen, giving them EU benefits without actually being in the EU. A compromise that not necessarily everyone was happy with but which demonstrTed a consensus aligned to the demonstrated voting percentage.
The poster infers that there was a ‘remain’ vote, that Norway was inside the EEC/EU and and that the government went against the result of the referendum! "
Looks like you scared him off anyway |
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"You can't have two votes on the same thing though!
Oh. Wait...
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Funny you keep banging on about having another vote, and yet you seem less than enthusiastic about the Tiggers constituents having a 2nd vote in by elections.
#Remaindoublestandards |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You can just see it if they do another referendum there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies
The real hardliners will kick off and start smashing things up
Isn't that terrorism?"
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They've probably learnt that it works for Northern Ireland and the backstop, threaten violence and you get what you want.
You make your bed and now we're lying on it. |
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"Norway had 48:52 remain vote but they still went for (rather than completely remaining inside the EU) what is now termed the Norway option.
It’s a comprimise but it works.
Other option is a citizen’s assembly- take it out of the hands of politicians and let ordinary people a chance to decide.
That’s absolute horse shit,
Norway was never a member of the EEC or EU, they had a referendum in 1994, on whether or not to join the EEC, which was defeated by 52.2% to 47.8%.
The Norwegian Government abided by the outcome of the referendum!
Try to stick to facts, not what you heard down the pub or read in the Daily Mail
What was wrong with what the poster said? The Norwegian Govt recognised the split in the nation and so joined EFTA and Shenghen, giving them EU benefits without actually being in the EU. A compromise that not necessarily everyone was happy with but which demonstrTed a consensus aligned to the demonstrated voting percentage.
The poster infers that there was a ‘remain’ vote, that Norway was inside the EEC/EU and and that the government went against the result of the referendum!
Looks like you scared him off anyway "
Well I never meant to do that!
But I do think facts should enjoy greater virtue than misinformation! |
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"You can just see it if they do another referendum there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies
The real hardliners will kick off and start smashing things up
Isn't that terrorism?.
They've probably learnt that it works for Northern Ireland and the backstop, threaten violence and you get what you want.
You make your bed and now we're lying on it."
It also worked for the yellow vests in France. Macron u-turned on his energy taxes pretty sharpish. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"You can't have two votes on the same thing though!
Oh. Wait...
Funny you keep banging on about having another vote, and yet you seem less than enthusiastic about the Tiggers constituents having a 2nd vote in by elections.
#Remaindoublestandards"
...and Churchill should have called a by-election when he crossed the floor?
Yes or no?  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"You can't have two votes on the same thing though!
Oh. Wait...
Funny you keep banging on about having another vote, and yet you seem less than enthusiastic about the Tiggers constituents having a 2nd vote in by elections.
#Remaindoublestandards"
Just to clarify; Did Brexit supporting MPs just use the meaningful vote which they objected to the UK Supreme Court allowing them to have to prevent the Government from getting its deal through?
#Backatya |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"You can just see it if they do another referendum there are going to be some very unhappy bunnies
The real hardliners will kick off and start smashing things up
Isn't that terrorism?.
They've probably learnt that it works for Northern Ireland and the backstop, threaten violence and you get what you want.
You make your bed and now we're lying on it.
It also worked for the yellow vests in France. Macron u-turned on his energy taxes pretty sharpish. "
Ah. That's the control and sovreignty you wanted to "take back"?
Violence wins  |
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"You can't have two votes on the same thing though!
Oh. Wait...
Funny you keep banging on about having another vote, and yet you seem less than enthusiastic about the Tiggers constituents having a 2nd vote in by elections.
#Remaindoublestandards"
Why did Farage not resign from the EU Parliament when he left UKIP? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"You can't have two votes on the same thing though!
Oh. Wait...
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Two votes?
We might be heading for three.
UK Parliament asks for extension.
One of EU27 says no.
Panic in No 10.
The May deal goes back to Commons for a third vote w/b March 24. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Norway had 48:52 remain vote but they still went for (rather than completely remaining inside the EU) what is now termed the Norway option.
It’s a comprimise but it works.
Other option is a citizen’s assembly- take it out of the hands of politicians and let ordinary people a chance to decide.
At the time the Norwegian Govt acted with speed and decisiveness in order to prevent exactly what has happened in the UK.
Sometimes we do need to look at what others have done for clues.
There was nothing decisive about the referendum and everything that has happened since has only demonstrated that the country is split roughly 50/50 on the European question. On any given day Remain or Leave could win a small majority.
A consensus and not a ramrod is needed. May and the Conservatives have spectacularly failed."
The whole thing about article 50 is to give a country time to negotiate, reflect and perhaps change it's mind about leaving. Surely it has served it's purpose. We now know what the deal on offer is, which we can vote for or we can vote for no deal or to remain. I don't see what all the fuss is about to be honest. A 3 way ballot paper with 2nd preference would solve it once and for all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Norway had 48:52 remain vote but they still went for (rather than completely remaining inside the EU) what is now termed the Norway option.
It’s a comprimise but it works.
Other option is a citizen’s assembly- take it out of the hands of politicians and let ordinary people a chance to decide.
At the time the Norwegian Govt acted with speed and decisiveness in order to prevent exactly what has happened in the UK.
Sometimes we do need to look at what others have done for clues.
There was nothing decisive about the referendum and everything that has happened since has only demonstrated that the country is split roughly 50/50 on the European question. On any given day Remain or Leave could win a small majority.
A consensus and not a ramrod is needed. May and the Conservatives have spectacularly failed.
The whole thing about article 50 is to give a country time to negotiate, reflect and perhaps change it's mind about leaving. Surely it has served it's purpose. We now know what the deal on offer is, which we can vote for or we can vote for no deal or to remain. I don't see what all the fuss is about to be honest. A 3 way ballot paper with 2nd preference would solve it once and for all."
p.s. A binary one would not do one scrap of good. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
Firstly May should have resigned this morning I am discusted she has not.In many countries she would have been arrested by now.
Please do ask on what charge,being a totally inept failyre will do.Brexit should now go ahead end of. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Firstly May should have resigned this morning I am discusted she has not.In many countries she would have been arrested by now.
Please do ask on what charge,being a totally inept failyre will do.Brexit should now go ahead end of."
OK, what Countries would have arrested their PM for not delivering the undeliverable? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Firstly May should have resigned this morning I am discusted she has not.In many countries she would have been arrested by now.
Please do ask on what charge,being a totally inept failyre will do.Brexit should now go ahead end of."
Really? Under who's authority? Who makes the decision? What law has she broken?
Perhaps you mean one of those countries where there is no independent judiciary and a dictator or a military junta stages a coup?
Is that your preference? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Firstly May should have resigned this morning I am discusted she has not.In many countries she would have been arrested by now.
Please do ask on what charge,being a totally inept failyre will do.Brexit should now go ahead end of."
if the charge is one of "not producing unicorns on demand".... which is ironic since those who were the ones claiming the unicorn existed have fled the scene!! |
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"You can't have two votes on the same thing though!
Oh. Wait...
Funny you keep banging on about having another vote, and yet you seem less than enthusiastic about the Tiggers constituents having a 2nd vote in by elections.
#Remaindoublestandards"
Did Farage resign his MEP seat when he left UKIP? |
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"Firstly May should have resigned this morning I am discusted she has not.In many countries she would have been arrested by now.
Please do ask on what charge,being a totally inept failyre will do.Brexit should now go ahead end of.
Really? Under who's authority? Who makes the decision? What law has she broken?
Perhaps you mean one of those countries where there is no independent judiciary and a dictator or a military junta stages a coup?
Is that your preference? "
You seem to be referring to a banana Republic or a tin pot dictatorship, ironically those sort of regimes also willfully ignore democracy and democratic votes, as you wish to do with the EU referendum of 2016. |
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"Firstly May should have resigned this morning I am discusted she has not.In many countries she would have been arrested by now.
Please do ask on what charge,being a totally inept failyre will do.Brexit should now go ahead end of.
Really? Under who's authority? Who makes the decision? What law has she broken?
Perhaps you mean one of those countries where there is no independent judiciary and a dictator or a military junta stages a coup?
Is that your preference?
You seem to be referring to a banana Republic or a tin pot dictatorship, ironically those sort of regimes also willfully ignore democracy and democratic votes, as you wish to do with the EU referendum of 2016. "
...& Farage, should he have resigned as an MEP when leaving UKIP? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Firstly May should have resigned this morning I am discusted she has not.In many countries she would have been arrested by now.
Please do ask on what charge,being a totally inept failyre will do.Brexit should now go ahead end of.
Really? Under who's authority? Who makes the decision? What law has she broken?
Perhaps you mean one of those countries where there is no independent judiciary and a dictator or a military junta stages a coup?
Is that your preference?
You seem to be referring to a banana Republic or a tin pot dictatorship, ironically those sort of regimes also willfully ignore democracy and democratic votes, as you wish to do with the EU referendum of 2016. "
They have multiple votes on yhe same matter?
You mean like the "meaningful" vote that has now failed twice?
The vote which Leavers did not want to have but have used to prevent the "Brexit means Brexit" that the Government negotiated and that everyone was suppose to "get behind" and stop "moaning" about?
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Revoke Article 50, as there is insufficient time to intelligently debate and prepare for anything - and an extension, whilst the conservatives still don't know what they want, is pointless: that's if the EU agreed to it.
Revoking Article 50 then gives the country free reign, to work out what is wrong within it, as well as what each party then wants to do next. There may need to be a general election, if the government doesn't have support - and some extremists would be very unhappy to have to pay more tax, whilst in the EU, whilst others will potentially never be happy. Democracy is a fluid, ongoing process, always in the context of the present moment/environment and changing needs. Trigger a new Article 50 if, and only if, the government knows exactly what it wants and is ready to negotiate - and preferably when the government has some highly competent ministers. 2 years wasted, whilst the conservatives still tried to make their minds up about what they wanted. Inexcusable. |
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"Revoke Article 50, as there is insufficient time to intelligently debate and prepare for anything - and an extension, whilst the conservatives still don't know what they want, is pointless: that's if the EU agreed to it.
Revoking Article 50 then gives the country free reign, to work out what is wrong within it, as well as what each party then wants to do next. There may need to be a general election, if the government doesn't have support - and some extremists would be very unhappy to have to pay more tax, whilst in the EU, whilst others will potentially never be happy. Democracy is a fluid, ongoing process, always in the context of the present moment/environment and changing needs. Trigger a new Article 50 if, and only if, the government knows exactly what it wants and is ready to negotiate - and preferably when the government has some highly competent ministers. 2 years wasted, whilst the conservatives still tried to make their minds up about what they wanted. Inexcusable. "
Totally agree with you |
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