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By *igsteve43 OP   Man  over a year ago

derby

Talked to a friend who works in this field for first time in a while and he genuinely scared me. It is his strong belief that climate change will ultimately be the 6th mass extinction event in the planets history. He also asserts that sadly to really fight it and put off the inevitable will take decisions being made that the majority of people would find unpallatable. When i asked such as he said:

1 no surgery or life extending treatment for over 75s

2 strict population control

3 banning red meat

4 bringing forward banning diesel vehicles to 2025 and petrol to 2030

5 return to 5 shopping days a week

6 huge inrease in airfares

7 force all countries ti plant 6 trees for every one they cut down

And even then he thinks that might give us another fifty years

Anyone got any other ideas i dont like these

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm frightened too. I was super frightened when experts told me back in 86/87 that there would be zero ice in the poles by 2000. Then i shit my pants when i was told in 2005 that by 2018lower manhattan would be under water.

I now live on high ground surviving on nuts, berries, driftwood and rain water....still frightened tho...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

What’s wrong with the planting trees idea?

The issue is that people feel like it’s too big an issue. In reality we can all do our bit.

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By *illwill69uMan  over a year ago

moston

OP, what does your friend mean by bring about the 6th mass extinction event?

We are living in a mass extinction event now!

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By *agermeisterMan  over a year ago

Leeds


"Talked to a friend who works in this field for first time in a while and he genuinely scared me. It is his strong belief that climate change will ultimately be the 6th mass extinction event in the planets history. He also asserts that sadly to really fight it and put off the inevitable will take decisions being made that the majority of people would find unpallatable. When i asked such as he said:

1 no surgery or life extending treatment for over 75s

2 strict population control

3 banning red meat

4 bringing forward banning diesel vehicles to 2025 and petrol to 2030

5 return to 5 shopping days a week

6 huge inrease in airfares

7 force all countries ti plant 6 trees for every one they cut down

And even then he thinks that might give us another fifty years

Anyone got any other ideas i dont like these"

These ideas seem quite reasonable to me. But our stupidity will mean we carry on as normal until life is unliveable.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Now many in the UK are foolishly hoping to align ourselves further with a nation whose climate change denying president’s first move was to gag the EPA, then drop out of the Paris climate change agreement.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Now many in the UK are foolishly hoping to align ourselves further with a nation whose climate change denying president’s first move was to gag the EPA, then drop out of the Paris climate change agreement.

"

I think thier next president will sign back up to it as soon as this idiot is history

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

That'll be 2024 then...we'll all be dead by then!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'm frightened too. I was super frightened when experts told me back in 86/87 that there would be zero ice in the poles by 2000. Then i shit my pants when i was told in 2005 that by 2018lower manhattan would be under water.

I now live on high ground surviving on nuts, berries, driftwood and rain water....still frightened tho..."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"That'll be 2024 then...we'll all be dead by then!"

If your expertise and research leads you to discover that our species and other’s survival is being put at risk if we do not change our ways, would you tell people to continue regardless until they were at the very edge of the precipice before they make any change?

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By *igsteve43 OP   Man  over a year ago

derby


"OP, what does your friend mean by bring about the 6th mass extinction event?

We are living in a mass extinction event now!"

Whats that then will?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Isn’t it strange how so many people vocalise their distrust for politicians and put their absolute faith in scientists every time they take medication or get on a plane etc - yet some of those same people if you tell them scientists are warning us of our species extinction if we don’t clean our act up and respect the planet, and their response is to take the word of a politician with a fossil fuel giant’s hand up their back!

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple  over a year ago

canterbury

More science bollocks then ....you will believe politicians next...

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By *estivalMan  over a year ago

borehamwood


"Talked to a friend who works in this field for first time in a while and he genuinely scared me. It is his strong belief that climate change will ultimately be the 6th mass extinction event in the planets history. He also asserts that sadly to really fight it and put off the inevitable will take decisions being made that the majority of people would find unpallatable. When i asked such as he said:

1 no surgery or life extending treatment for over 75s

2 strict population control

3 banning red meat

4 bringing forward banning diesel vehicles to 2025 and petrol to 2030

5 return to 5 shopping days a week

6 huge inrease in airfares

7 force all countries ti plant 6 trees for every one they cut down

And even then he thinks that might give us another fifty years

Anyone got any other ideas i dont like these

These ideas seem quite reasonable to me. But our stupidity will mean we carry on as normal until life is unliveable. "

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By *uxinteriorMan  over a year ago

south west , continental

When virtue signaling celebrities and politicians stop flying around the world to their monthly summits, gigs and get togethers I might start to think about climate change. What happened to Al Gore's predictions? Anything happening with those?

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich


"When virtue signaling celebrities and politicians stop flying around the world to their monthly summits, gigs and get togethers I might start to think about climate change. What happened to Al Gore's predictions? Anything happening with those? "
The eu could start by not moving from brussels to strasborg for 4 days every month using 300 lorries to transport paperwork back and forth,total waist of money and a big carbon footprint.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS  over a year ago

Stockport


"When virtue signaling celebrities and politicians stop flying around the world to their monthly summits, gigs and get togethers I might start to think about climate change. What happened to Al Gore's predictions? Anything happening with those? The eu could start by not moving from brussels to strasborg for 4 days every month using 300 lorries to transport paperwork back and forth,total waist of money and a big carbon footprint."

For once i absolutely agree with you. Also our politicians should stop all their travelling up and down the country and across the world. MPs shouldn't get any travel expenses, they should be given a computer with a webcam and a secure link, and all parliamentary business be done by remote working.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"When virtue signaling celebrities and politicians stop flying around the world to their monthly summits, gigs and get togethers I might start to think about climate change. What happened to Al Gore's predictions? Anything happening with those? "

Cutting off your nose to spite your face there though. It’s your home too. Why not be angry at those hypocrites and attack them?

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By *illwill69uMan  over a year ago

moston


"OP, what does your friend mean by bring about the 6th mass extinction event?

We are living in a mass extinction event now!

Whats that then will?"

Here is a list of the species known to have become extinct since 1900:

1902 - The last known specimens of the Rocky Mountain locust are collected near Brandon, Manitoba.

1905 - The last known Honshu wolf of Japan dies in Nara Prefecture.

1907 - The huia, a native bird of New Zealand, is last seen. Habitat loss, hunting, and disease all played a role in its extinction.

1909 - The last known tarpan, a Polish wild horse, died in captivity.

1910s

1911 - The last Newfoundland wolf was shot.

1914 - The last passenger pigeon, Martha, died in captivity at the Cincinnati Zoo. Excessive hunting contributed to its extinction; it was formerly one of the world's most abundant birds.

1918 - The last Carolina parakeet died in captivity at the Cincinnati Zoo. The bird, formerly inhabiting the southeastern United States, was driven to extinction by exploitation, deforestation, and competition with introduced bees.

1920s

1924 - The California grizzly bear is sighted for the last time.

1925 - The Kenai Peninsula wolf was driven to extinction.

1929 - Acalypha wilderi was last seen in the wild. This species may be synonymous with A. raivavensis and A. tubuaiensis, which would mean it is in fact not extinct globally.

1930s

1930 - Darwin's rice rat was last recorded in the Galápagos Islands. Its extinction was probably caused by the introduction of black rats.

1932 - "Booming Ben", the last known heath hen was seen on Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts.

1933 - The cry pansy from Europe becomes extinct due to habitat loss and overcollection in the only place where it grew, France.

1934 - The indefatigable Galapagos mouse was last recorded. Its extinction was probably caused by the introduction of black rats.

1935 - The desert rat-kangaroo was last recorded.

1935 - The Mogollon mountain wolf and the Southern Rocky Mountains wolf were hunted to extinction.

1936 - The last thylacine died in captivity. Hunting, habitat loss, disease, and competition from domestic dogs all may have contributed to the extinction of the species.

c. 1937 - The Bali tiger was last definitively seen around this time, but likely persisted into the 1940s or possibly even the early 1950s.

1939 - The toolache wallaby was last recorded.

The great auk was hunted for its down until its extinction around 1844.

The thylacine was exterminated into extinction.

1940s

1940 - The Cascade mountain wolf was hunted to extinction.

1942 - The Texas wolf was purposefully driven to extinction.

1942 - The last confirmed sighting of the Barbary lion, although unconfirmed reports surfaced until 1970.

1950s

1952 - Last reliable report of the Caribbean monk seal.

1952 - The Bernard's wolf was hunted to extinction.

1956 - The crescent nail-tail wallaby and imperial woodpecker were last recorded.

1957 - The Scioto madtom, a species of fish, is last collected.

1960s

c. 1960 - The Mexican grizzly bear was exterminated around this time.

1962 - The red-bellied gracile opossum was last recorded in Argentina.

1964 - The Hawaii chaff flower of the Hawaiian islands becomes extinct because of habitat loss

1965 - Last sighting of the turgid-blossom pearly mussel, an American mussel.

1966 - The last Arabian ostrich died around this time.

1970s

c. 1970 - The Caspian tiger becomes extinct primarily due to habitat loss, hunting, and loss of prey.

1972 - The endemic to Jamaica Mason River myrtle becomes extinct.

1974 - The last known Japanese sea lion is captured off the coast of Rebun Island, Hokkaido.

c. 1976 - Last sightings of the Javan tiger.

1980s

1981 - The Puhielelu hibiscadelphus becomes extinct.

1981 - Last sighting of the green-blossom pearly mussel, an American mussel.

1981 - The Southern gastric-brooding frog (Rheobatrachus silus) became extinct probably due to habitat destruction and disease.

1983 - Last unconfirmed spotting of the kouprey (Bos sauveli), last absolute confirmed spotting was in 1969/70. Declared as “most likely to be extinct” by the IUCN.

1983-84 - The 24-rayed sunstar (Heliaster solaris), the Galapagos black-spotted damselfish and the Galapagos string likely become extinct due to climate change.

1985 - The Northern gastric-brooding frog (Rheobatrachus vitellinus) became extinct probably due to habitat destruction and disease.

1987 - The last Kaua?i ?o?o (Moho braccatus), a male, is recorded singing a mating call. The species was never heard from again and was declared extinct.

1989 - The golden toad of Costa Rica becomes extinct, perhaps because of climate change.

1990s

1990 - The dusky seaside sparrow was officially declared extinct in December 1990. The last definite known individual died on 17 June 1987.

1994 - Saint Croix racer, a snake native to the Virgin Islands, declared extinct.

1994 - Levuana moth from Hawaii goes extinct.[82]

1997 - The Hainan ormosia (a species of legume) which was native to China is no longer seen.

3rd millennium CE

21st century

2000s

2000 - "Celia", the last Pyrenean ibex, was found dead in 2000. However, in 2003, a female was cloned back into existence, but died shortly after birth due to defects in the lungs.

2003 - The last individual from the St. Helena olive, which was grown in cultivation, dies off. The last plant in the wild had died in 1994.

2006 - A technologically sophisticated survey of the Yangtze River failed to find specimens of the baiji dolphin, prompting scientists to declare it functionally extinct.

2010s

2011 - The Eastern cougar was declared extinct. Last known individual was trapped and killed in 1938.

2011 - The western black rhinoceros was declared extinct.

2012 - The Japanese river otter (Lutra lutra whiteneyi) declared extinct by the country's Ministry of the Environment, after not being seen for more than 30 years.

2012 - "Lonesome George", the last known specimen of the Pinta Island tortoise, died on 24 June 2012.

2013 - The Cape Verde giant skink was declared extinct.

2013 - The Formosan clouded leopard, previously endemic to the island of Taiwan, is officially declared extinct.

2014 - The Bermuda saw-whet owl was declared extinct after being described from fossils in 2012.

2017 - The Christmas Island forest skink was declared extinct, three years after the last known specimen died.

2019 - The Bramble Cay melomys was declared extinct.

Note the list above does not include any insects and only 2 plants (because we do not monitor anything that is not directly useful to humanity. But it is estimated that at present up to 140,000 species of plant and animal become extinct EVERY year, mostly due to human activity destroying habitat and that this has been going on for the last 40+ years.

I for 1 would consider 5 million + in 40 years qualifies as a mass extinction event, how about you people?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Get a life you miserable fuckers

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"When virtue signaling celebrities and politicians stop flying around the world to their monthly summits, gigs and get togethers I might start to think about climate change. What happened to Al Gore's predictions? Anything happening with those? The eu could start by not moving from brussels to strasborg for 4 days every month using 300 lorries to transport paperwork back and forth,total waist of money and a big carbon footprint.

For once i absolutely agree with you. Also our politicians should stop all their travelling up and down the country and across the world. MPs shouldn't get any travel expenses, they should be given a computer with a webcam and a secure link, and all parliamentary business be done by remote working."

.

Thats a vote winner

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"OP, what does your friend mean by bring about the 6th mass extinction event?

We are living in a mass extinction event now!

Whats that then will?

Here is a list of the species known to have become extinct since 1900:

1902 - The last known specimens of the Rocky Mountain locust are collected near Brandon, Manitoba.

1905 - The last known Honshu wolf of Japan dies in Nara Prefecture.

1907 - The huia, a native bird of New Zealand, is last seen. Habitat loss, hunting, and disease all played a role in its extinction.

1909 - The last known tarpan, a Polish wild horse, died in captivity.

1910s

1911 - The last Newfoundland wolf was shot.

1914 - The last passenger pigeon, Martha, died in captivity at the Cincinnati Zoo. Excessive hunting contributed to its extinction; it was formerly one of the world's most abundant birds.

1918 - The last Carolina parakeet died in captivity at the Cincinnati Zoo. The bird, formerly inhabiting the southeastern United States, was driven to extinction by exploitation, deforestation, and competition with introduced bees.

1920s

1924 - The California grizzly bear is sighted for the last time.

1925 - The Kenai Peninsula wolf was driven to extinction.

1929 - Acalypha wilderi was last seen in the wild. This species may be synonymous with A. raivavensis and A. tubuaiensis, which would mean it is in fact not extinct globally.

1930s

1930 - Darwin's rice rat was last recorded in the Galápagos Islands. Its extinction was probably caused by the introduction of black rats.

1932 - "Booming Ben", the last known heath hen was seen on Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts.

1933 - The cry pansy from Europe becomes extinct due to habitat loss and overcollection in the only place where it grew, France.

1934 - The indefatigable Galapagos mouse was last recorded. Its extinction was probably caused by the introduction of black rats.

1935 - The desert rat-kangaroo was last recorded.

1935 - The Mogollon mountain wolf and the Southern Rocky Mountains wolf were hunted to extinction.

1936 - The last thylacine died in captivity. Hunting, habitat loss, disease, and competition from domestic dogs all may have contributed to the extinction of the species.

c. 1937 - The Bali tiger was last definitively seen around this time, but likely persisted into the 1940s or possibly even the early 1950s.

1939 - The toolache wallaby was last recorded.

The great auk was hunted for its down until its extinction around 1844.

The thylacine was exterminated into extinction.

1940s

1940 - The Cascade mountain wolf was hunted to extinction.

1942 - The Texas wolf was purposefully driven to extinction.

1942 - The last confirmed sighting of the Barbary lion, although unconfirmed reports surfaced until 1970.

1950s

1952 - Last reliable report of the Caribbean monk seal.

1952 - The Bernard's wolf was hunted to extinction.

1956 - The crescent nail-tail wallaby and imperial woodpecker were last recorded.

1957 - The Scioto madtom, a species of fish, is last collected.

1960s

c. 1960 - The Mexican grizzly bear was exterminated around this time.

1962 - The red-bellied gracile opossum was last recorded in Argentina.

1964 - The Hawaii chaff flower of the Hawaiian islands becomes extinct because of habitat loss

1965 - Last sighting of the turgid-blossom pearly mussel, an American mussel.

1966 - The last Arabian ostrich died around this time.

1970s

c. 1970 - The Caspian tiger becomes extinct primarily due to habitat loss, hunting, and loss of prey.

1972 - The endemic to Jamaica Mason River myrtle becomes extinct.

1974 - The last known Japanese sea lion is captured off the coast of Rebun Island, Hokkaido.

c. 1976 - Last sightings of the Javan tiger.

1980s

1981 - The Puhielelu hibiscadelphus becomes extinct.

1981 - Last sighting of the green-blossom pearly mussel, an American mussel.

1981 - The Southern gastric-brooding frog (Rheobatrachus silus) became extinct probably due to habitat destruction and disease.

1983 - Last unconfirmed spotting of the kouprey (Bos sauveli), last absolute confirmed spotting was in 1969/70. Declared as “most likely to be extinct” by the IUCN.

1983-84 - The 24-rayed sunstar (Heliaster solaris), the Galapagos black-spotted damselfish and the Galapagos string likely become extinct due to climate change.

1985 - The Northern gastric-brooding frog (Rheobatrachus vitellinus) became extinct probably due to habitat destruction and disease.

1987 - The last Kaua?i ?o?o (Moho braccatus), a male, is recorded singing a mating call. The species was never heard from again and was declared extinct.

1989 - The golden toad of Costa Rica becomes extinct, perhaps because of climate change.

1990s

1990 - The dusky seaside sparrow was officially declared extinct in December 1990. The last definite known individual died on 17 June 1987.

1994 - Saint Croix racer, a snake native to the Virgin Islands, declared extinct.

1994 - Levuana moth from Hawaii goes extinct.[82]

1997 - The Hainan ormosia (a species of legume) which was native to China is no longer seen.

3rd millennium CE

21st century

2000s

2000 - "Celia", the last Pyrenean ibex, was found dead in 2000. However, in 2003, a female was cloned back into existence, but died shortly after birth due to defects in the lungs.

2003 - The last individual from the St. Helena olive, which was grown in cultivation, dies off. The last plant in the wild had died in 1994.

2006 - A technologically sophisticated survey of the Yangtze River failed to find specimens of the baiji dolphin, prompting scientists to declare it functionally extinct.

2010s

2011 - The Eastern cougar was declared extinct. Last known individual was trapped and killed in 1938.

2011 - The western black rhinoceros was declared extinct.

2012 - The Japanese river otter (Lutra lutra whiteneyi) declared extinct by the country's Ministry of the Environment, after not being seen for more than 30 years.

2012 - "Lonesome George", the last known specimen of the Pinta Island tortoise, died on 24 June 2012.

2013 - The Cape Verde giant skink was declared extinct.

2013 - The Formosan clouded leopard, previously endemic to the island of Taiwan, is officially declared extinct.

2014 - The Bermuda saw-whet owl was declared extinct after being described from fossils in 2012.

2017 - The Christmas Island forest skink was declared extinct, three years after the last known specimen died.

2019 - The Bramble Cay melomys was declared extinct.

Note the list above does not include any insects and only 2 plants (because we do not monitor anything that is not directly useful to humanity. But it is estimated that at present up to 140,000 species of plant and animal become extinct EVERY year, mostly due to human activity destroying habitat and that this has been going on for the last 40+ years.

I for 1 would consider 5 million + in 40 years qualifies as a mass extinction event, how about you people?"

We were at our most advanced just before the onset of agriculture. After that point we’ve become a scourge on this planet and its inhabitants, including ourselves.

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By *illwill69uMan  over a year ago

moston


"We were at our most advanced just before the onset of agriculture. After that point we’ve become a scourge on this planet and its inhabitants, including ourselves.

"

I would not agree with that. But it is clear we have lost our way in the lat 250/300 years or so.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We were at our most advanced just before the onset of agriculture. After that point we’ve become a scourge on this planet and its inhabitants, including ourselves.

I would not agree with that. But it is clear we have lost our way in the lat 250/300 years or so.

"

I used to say it was the industrial revolution where we started to go downhill, but i’ve reconsidered this now and believe it was around 5,000 years ago. Perhaps a little later before it made such an impact on the Earth’s ecology. Many organisms must have been made extinct as a result of this change in the way we live and where and how we source our food. On the human timeline it seems that was the step that took us off our path and led us to this.

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By *illwill69uMan  over a year ago

moston


"I used to say it was the industrial revolution where we started to go downhill, but i’ve reconsidered this now and believe it was around 5,000 years ago. Perhaps a little later before it made such an impact on the Earth’s ecology. Many organisms must have been made extinct as a result of this change in the way we live and where and how we source our food. On the human timeline it seems that was the step that took us off our path and led us to this. "

I can see a logic in that. Is it your contention that the development of agriculture made it inevitable that the idea of property had to follow? I would counter that if that is your hypothesis I would counter that it was not agriculture but the development of tools (that made cultivation possible) that must be the point of divergence.

However fi I am being totally honest i do not think the Industrial Revolution was the point where we went wrong was around the point that businesses became legal entities in their own right with a single aim of producing the maximum profit regardless of cost to any other entity. multinational Corporations are the ultimate expression of what is wrong with humanity and they are not human.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Tell me about it. Winters here seem to get longer and harder every year.

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By *illwill69uMan  over a year ago

moston


"Tell me about it. Winters here seem to get longer and harder every year."

Thats local weather, not global climate...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I used to say it was the industrial revolution where we started to go downhill, but i’ve reconsidered this now and believe it was around 5,000 years ago. Perhaps a little later before it made such an impact on the Earth’s ecology. Many organisms must have been made extinct as a result of this change in the way we live and where and how we source our food. On the human timeline it seems that was the step that took us off our path and led us to this.

I can see a logic in that. Is it your contention that the development of agriculture made it inevitable that the idea of property had to follow? I would counter that if that is your hypothesis I would counter that it was not agriculture but the development of tools (that made cultivation possible) that must be the point of divergence.

However fi I am being totally honest i do not think the Industrial Revolution was the point where we went wrong was around the point that businesses became legal entities in their own right with a single aim of producing the maximum profit regardless of cost to any other entity. multinational Corporations are the ultimate expression of what is wrong with humanity and they are not human."

None of what you say I particularly disagree with in a sense - especially your conclusion on corporations. I just hold that view because it’s the point when humans really made a significant change that would eventually bring us to this. I know that any point in our history could be said to have led to where we are now, but before that we’d lived a couple of hundred thousand years fairly unchanged, at least in the sense of being semi nomadic and how we found our food. Tools obviously developed and that led to advantages that built up slowly through time, but there seems to have been a tipping point with the onset of agriculture that set us firmly on this track.

I also often blame the Romans for a lot of what’s wrong with the world today as funny as that may sound. They brought Christianity with them and that’s had a few hiccups along the way, although I don’t wish to offend anyone there. Sexism - it has took nearly 2,000 years to even begin to rid ourselves of. They wiped out species in the arena to satisfy their bloodlust and climb the political ladder. I cannot remember the figures but they took perhaps a majority of the wildlife of Africa. There was actually a very large formidable breed of dog native to ancient Britain, which they wiped out and we only know existed because of the descriptions of it being used in the games.

I suppose it would be fair to say there are many tiers where our species changed and pushed onwards unwittingly towards this.

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford


"More science bollocks then ....you will believe politicians next..."

Presumably you don't believe in any of this "science bollocks" and therefore will be avoiding aeroplanes, the internet, the internal combustion engine, vaccinations, antibiotics, man made fibres, most crops.....

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By *illwill69uMan  over a year ago

moston


"None of what you say I particularly disagree with in a sense - especially your conclusion on corporations. I just hold that view because it’s the point when humans really made a significant change that would eventually bring us to this. I know that any point in our history could be said to have led to where we are now, but before that we’d lived a couple of hundred thousand years fairly unchanged, at least in the sense of being semi nomadic and how we found our food. Tools obviously developed and that led to advantages that built up slowly through time, but there seems to have been a tipping point with the onset of agriculture that set us firmly on this track.

I also often blame the Romans for a lot of what’s wrong with the world today as funny as that may sound. They brought Christianity with them and that’s had a few hiccups along the way, although I don’t wish to offend anyone there. Sexism - it has took nearly 2,000 years to even begin to rid ourselves of. They wiped out species in the arena to satisfy their bloodlust and climb the political ladder. I cannot remember the figures but they took perhaps a majority of the wildlife of Africa. There was actually a very large formidable breed of dog native to ancient Britain, which they wiped out and we only know existed because of the descriptions of it being used in the games.

I suppose it would be fair to say there are many tiers where our species changed and pushed onwards unwittingly towards this.

"

Interesting. More interesting is the exchange of ideas. I did not know about the Romans exterminating species in the arena although I am not surprised. I think we can totally agree that the problem is one of greed. I guess that when apex competitive predators discover a new resource then they will compete over it and the winner will hoard it. It is a shame that we still have to learn the cooperation is more efficient that competition.

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By *nglishdoodMan  over a year ago

Morristown

Good god it's terrible. Imagine if we spend all that money and effort and we're wrong about climate change!

I for one would hate to live on a cleaner planet with clean drinking water and air. The horror!!

I'm off to throw a Macdonalds wrapper out of my car window!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"OP, what does your friend mean by bring about the 6th mass extinction event?

We are living in a mass extinction event now!

Whats that then will?

Here is a list of the species known to have become extinct since 1900:

1902 - The last known specimens of the Rocky Mountain locust are collected near Brandon, Manitoba.

1905 - The last known Honshu wolf of Japan dies in Nara Prefecture.

1907 - The huia, a native bird of New Zealand, is last seen. Habitat loss, hunting, and disease all played a role in its extinction.

1909 - The last known tarpan, a Polish wild horse, died in captivity.

1910s

1911 - The last Newfoundland wolf was shot.

1914 - The last passenger pigeon, Martha, died in captivity at the Cincinnati Zoo. Excessive hunting contributed to its extinction; it was formerly one of the world's most abundant birds.

1918 - The last Carolina parakeet died in captivity at the Cincinnati Zoo. The bird, formerly inhabiting the southeastern United States, was driven to extinction by exploitation, deforestation, and competition with introduced bees.

1920s

1924 - The California grizzly bear is sighted for the last time.

1925 - The Kenai Peninsula wolf was driven to extinction.

1929 - Acalypha wilderi was last seen in the wild. This species may be synonymous with A. raivavensis and A. tubuaiensis, which would mean it is in fact not extinct globally.

1930s

1930 - Darwin's rice rat was last recorded in the Galápagos Islands. Its extinction was probably caused by the introduction of black rats.

1932 - "Booming Ben", the last known heath hen was seen on Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts.

1933 - The cry pansy from Europe becomes extinct due to habitat loss and overcollection in the only place where it grew, France.

1934 - The indefatigable Galapagos mouse was last recorded. Its extinction was probably caused by the introduction of black rats.

1935 - The desert rat-kangaroo was last recorded.

1935 - The Mogollon mountain wolf and the Southern Rocky Mountains wolf were hunted to extinction.

1936 - The last thylacine died in captivity. Hunting, habitat loss, disease, and competition from domestic dogs all may have contributed to the extinction of the species.

c. 1937 - The Bali tiger was last definitively seen around this time, but likely persisted into the 1940s or possibly even the early 1950s.

1939 - The toolache wallaby was last recorded.

The great auk was hunted for its down until its extinction around 1844.

The thylacine was exterminated into extinction.

1940s

1940 - The Cascade mountain wolf was hunted to extinction.

1942 - The Texas wolf was purposefully driven to extinction.

1942 - The last confirmed sighting of the Barbary lion, although unconfirmed reports surfaced until 1970.

1950s

1952 - Last reliable report of the Caribbean monk seal.

1952 - The Bernard's wolf was hunted to extinction.

1956 - The crescent nail-tail wallaby and imperial woodpecker were last recorded.

1957 - The Scioto madtom, a species of fish, is last collected.

1960s

c. 1960 - The Mexican grizzly bear was exterminated around this time.

1962 - The red-bellied gracile opossum was last recorded in Argentina.

1964 - The Hawaii chaff flower of the Hawaiian islands becomes extinct because of habitat loss

1965 - Last sighting of the turgid-blossom pearly mussel, an American mussel.

1966 - The last Arabian ostrich died around this time.

1970s

c. 1970 - The Caspian tiger becomes extinct primarily due to habitat loss, hunting, and loss of prey.

1972 - The endemic to Jamaica Mason River myrtle becomes extinct.

1974 - The last known Japanese sea lion is captured off the coast of Rebun Island, Hokkaido.

c. 1976 - Last sightings of the Javan tiger.

1980s

1981 - The Puhielelu hibiscadelphus becomes extinct.

1981 - Last sighting of the green-blossom pearly mussel, an American mussel.

1981 - The Southern gastric-brooding frog (Rheobatrachus silus) became extinct probably due to habitat destruction and disease.

1983 - Last unconfirmed spotting of the kouprey (Bos sauveli), last absolute confirmed spotting was in 1969/70. Declared as “most likely to be extinct” by the IUCN.

1983-84 - The 24-rayed sunstar (Heliaster solaris), the Galapagos black-spotted damselfish and the Galapagos string likely become extinct due to climate change.

1985 - The Northern gastric-brooding frog (Rheobatrachus vitellinus) became extinct probably due to habitat destruction and disease.

1987 - The last Kaua?i ?o?o (Moho braccatus), a male, is recorded singing a mating call. The species was never heard from again and was declared extinct.

1989 - The golden toad of Costa Rica becomes extinct, perhaps because of climate change.

1990s

1990 - The dusky seaside sparrow was officially declared extinct in December 1990. The last definite known individual died on 17 June 1987.

1994 - Saint Croix racer, a snake native to the Virgin Islands, declared extinct.

1994 - Levuana moth from Hawaii goes extinct.[82]

1997 - The Hainan ormosia (a species of legume) which was native to China is no longer seen.

3rd millennium CE

21st century

2000s

2000 - "Celia", the last Pyrenean ibex, was found dead in 2000. However, in 2003, a female was cloned back into existence, but died shortly after birth due to defects in the lungs.

2003 - The last individual from the St. Helena olive, which was grown in cultivation, dies off. The last plant in the wild had died in 1994.

2006 - A technologically sophisticated survey of the Yangtze River failed to find specimens of the baiji dolphin, prompting scientists to declare it functionally extinct.

2010s

2011 - The Eastern cougar was declared extinct. Last known individual was trapped and killed in 1938.

2011 - The western black rhinoceros was declared extinct.

2012 - The Japanese river otter (Lutra lutra whiteneyi) declared extinct by the country's Ministry of the Environment, after not being seen for more than 30 years.

2012 - "Lonesome George", the last known specimen of the Pinta Island tortoise, died on 24 June 2012.

2013 - The Cape Verde giant skink was declared extinct.

2013 - The Formosan clouded leopard, previously endemic to the island of Taiwan, is officially declared extinct.

2014 - The Bermuda saw-whet owl was declared extinct after being described from fossils in 2012.

2017 - The Christmas Island forest skink was declared extinct, three years after the last known specimen died.

2019 - The Bramble Cay melomys was declared extinct.

Note the list above does not include any insects and only 2 plants (because we do not monitor anything that is not directly useful to humanity. But it is estimated that at present up to 140,000 species of plant and animal become extinct EVERY year, mostly due to human activity destroying habitat and that this has been going on for the last 40+ years.

I for 1 would consider 5 million + in 40 years qualifies as a mass extinction event, how about you people?"

The WWF report their estimates at between 200 & 100,000 species of living animals / insects and plant life each year die off depending on what estimated amount of species there is to start with you calculate against.

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By *mmabluTV/TS  over a year ago

upton wirral

It is time that many showed more interst in climate change,knife crime,problems in society etc than bloody brexit

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Talked to a friend who works in this field for first time in a while and he genuinely scared me. It is his strong belief that climate change will ultimately be the 6th mass extinction event in the planets history. He also asserts that sadly to really fight it and put off the inevitable will take decisions being made that the majority of people would find unpallatable. When i asked such as he said:

1 no surgery or life extending treatment for over 75s

2 strict population control

3 banning red meat

4 bringing forward banning diesel vehicles to 2025 and petrol to 2030

5 return to 5 shopping days a week

6 huge inrease in airfares

7 force all countries ti plant 6 trees for every one they cut down

And even then he thinks that might give us another fifty years

Anyone got any other ideas i dont like these

These ideas seem quite reasonable to me. But our stupidity will mean we carry on as normal until life is unliveable. "

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple  over a year ago

canterbury

If Kent turns into Spain

...happy days x

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By *igsteve43 OP   Man  over a year ago

derby


"If Kent turns into Spain

...happy days x"

Sorry kent becomes the new bigger english channel

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Humanity has wiped out 60% of mammals, birds, fish and reptiles since 1970, leading the world’s foremost experts to warn that the annihilation of wildlife is now an emergency that threatens civilisation.

We must not focus on saving these animals but the ecosystemso they live in.

We should let all the prestigious animals like lions elephantso rhino etc go and focus on saving the ecosystemsame that suppoutside millions of species.

Unfortunately we are a plague upon the earth and our time is running out .Which isn't such a bad thing in the bigger picture.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

Restricting global warming to levels that are less severely disruptive to much of life on earth is possible, potentially via a range of means. It's largely humans that have caused the problem and it's within our own range of abilty and responsibilities, to mitigate the effects of what we've been doing.

The clear message is that there appears to be very little time that is left, for us to restrict the level of warming to a level that is akin to 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels. If heating is not contained within such a limit, the results are projected to be much, much more severely catastrophic for life on earth.

Human population levels certainly have an effect upon our climate - though it's largely the lifestyles that people are leading. Use of oil derived products should probably be reduced to a small fraction of today's level, as greenhouse gas level rises are substantial from this. This would likely mean that much of the world's transport would need to be replaced very quickly. Motor vehicles and boats are probably in greater need of substantial reduction than airlines - though the figures aren't in my head.

Red meat is almost certainly something that should become a rarity in the general diet, due to its Carbon footprint as well as the damage to our environment that rearing it currently imposes - perhaps 10% of current levels maximum, in the very near term.

We'll need to predominantly generate our energy from sources other than oil, such as from renewables.

A lot of this requires substantial lifestyle and societal changes that aren't seemingly that attractive to many people. The choice is between this cost now or facing the consequences of limited potential health or life in the near-term. That most world leaders, including Theresa May, are not really doing anything much at all, speaks volumes about their moral compasses, their priorities and lack of real leadership qualities. The science is real, yet the choices that we take, of the options available, are still more diverse, than if we inexcusably delay any action. Ultimately we may end up at a position where the earth is subject to increases above 1.5?°C. I'd prefer that we didn't.

Pollution and other damage to our environment is also highly negative, affecting our soil, air, water, oceans as well as the plants and animals that share this world with us. Major reductions in oil use would partly alleviate continued damage build up - but this isn't fully restorative. Other measures would be needed, by alternative approraches to manufacturing, shipping and types of goods, chemicals etc. The 6th mass extinction event is likely to happen, though the size of this is subject to mitigation too. It may be better, as many of us believe, if current humans are part of this.

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By *udewhennudeMan  over a year ago

newport


"When virtue signaling celebrities and politicians stop flying around the world to their monthly summits, gigs and get togethers I might start to think about climate change. What happened to Al Gore's predictions? Anything happening with those? "

There are 25 international environmental conferences scheduled for the rest of 2019. I assume but correct me if I’m wrong, the majority of delegates etc will be flying to these. Perhaps they could set an example. I’m not a denier btw but think the climate change industry should not be hypocritical.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"When virtue signaling celebrities and politicians stop flying around the world to their monthly summits, gigs and get togethers I might start to think about climate change. What happened to Al Gore's predictions? Anything happening with those?

There are 25 international environmental conferences scheduled for the rest of 2019. I assume but correct me if I’m wrong, the majority of delegates etc will be flying to these. Perhaps they could set an example. I’m not a denier btw but think the climate change industry should not be hypocritical."

So how would you like them travel ..

Sail boat? ?

Seeing how climate change is time sensitive.The sooner the information at these conferences is disseminated the better,and good luck getting trump on a sail boat to the next cl8mate meeting of world leaders

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Just bought a new Hilux (Euro6) whats wrong with driving diesel cars, my one is cleaner than many petrol and as I live in rural countryside, zero electric plug ins available, and even if there were plug - ins, they do not have a universal fitting, so you have to take your electric plug in to your specific charging point

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple  over a year ago

Dudley


"When virtue signaling celebrities and politicians stop flying around the world to their monthly summits, gigs and get togethers I might start to think about climate change. What happened to Al Gore's predictions? Anything happening with those?

There are 25 international environmental conferences scheduled for the rest of 2019. I assume but correct me if I’m wrong, the majority of delegates etc will be flying to these. Perhaps they could set an example. I’m not a denier btw but think the climate change industry should not be hypocritical.

So how would you like them travel ..

Sail boat? ?

Seeing how climate change is time sensitive.The sooner the information at these conferences is disseminated the better,and good luck getting trump on a sail boat to the next cl8mate meeting of world leaders

"

Is there any need for them all to be in the same place to go through the relevant information, communications have come a long way since the telegram! Cancel all these unnecessary face to face conferences and use modern communication technology to help save the planet and set a good example.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Don't sweat it,Its life and death and its been going on for a few billion years and will continue to long after we've gone.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Don't sweat it,Its life and death and its been going on for a few billion years and will continue to long after we've gone. "

All true but this is the first time in 40 million centuries that a single species controls the future and the fate of all other species in one single century .With great power comes great responsibility and we are now responsible for all life on earth.

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By *illwill69uMan  over a year ago

moston


"but this is the first time in 40 million centuries that a single species controls the future and the fate of all other species in one single century ."

We don't know this. In 1,000.000 years there will not be a single record of our existence left on earth. In fact the earth we inhabit today will no longer exist.

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By *mmabluTV/TS  over a year ago

upton wirral


"but this is the first time in 40 million centuries that a single species controls the future and the fate of all other species in one single century .

We don't know this. In 1,000.000 years there will not be a single record of our existence left on earth. In fact the earth we inhabit today will no longer exist."

such a happy chappy lol

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple  over a year ago

canterbury

Prince Harry could save us all ...tells kids what to do and the twat and his wife jet around the world ...bless

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central


"When virtue signaling celebrities and politicians stop flying around the world to their monthly summits, gigs and get togethers I might start to think about climate change. What happened to Al Gore's predictions? Anything happening with those?

There are 25 international environmental conferences scheduled for the rest of 2019. I assume but correct me if I’m wrong, the majority of delegates etc will be flying to these. Perhaps they could set an example. I’m not a denier btw but think the climate change industry should not be hypocritical.

So how would you like them travel ..

Sail boat? ?

Seeing how climate change is time sensitive.The sooner the information at these conferences is disseminated the better,and good luck getting trump on a sail boat to the next cl8mate meeting of world leaders

Is there any need for them all to be in the same place to go through the relevant information, communications have come a long way since the telegram! Cancel all these unnecessary face to face conferences and use modern communication technology to help save the planet and set a good example. "

Huge amounts of interaction between the multitudes of experts and states occurs each week. Often in person meetings helps to develop consensus and negotiate agreement more effectively. It's those who are working against the urgent need for substantial action that attention is needed upon.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just bought a new Hilux (Euro6) whats wrong with driving diesel cars, my one is cleaner than many petrol and as I live in rural countryside, zero electric plug ins available, and even if there were plug - ins, they do not have a universal fitting, so you have to take your electric plug in to your specific charging point"

*Movement for national standardisation for private transport electrification intensifies*

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