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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
Germany is in the EU.
The UK is in the EU.
Germany exports 47% EU (closest neighbours) 62% outside the EU. 8.8% USA, 6.4% China.
The UK exports 44% EU (closest neighbours) 66% outside the EU. 14.6% USA, 6% China.
The USA exports 34.2% Canada and Mexico (closest neighbours) 18.7% EU, 8% China
China exports 35.3% ASEAN, Hong Kong, Japan and South Korea (nearest neighbours), United States 19.25%, European Union 16.43%
From the perspective of trade what do we want to do or think that we can do that is so very different? Trading disteibutions are surprisingly similar.
Everyone exports to their nearest neighbours more than anywhere else. Our nearest neighbours just happen to have zero barriers to our sales.
Anyone can say thY the EU economy is not growing very fast, but it is already very rich. It's poorer economies that grow very quickly.
The USA's biggest trading partner other than its nearest neighbours is the EU. It's China's second biggest. Do they wish to reduce exports to the EU?
Is there any reason to actively reduce trade to the EU? Will that help us export more elsewhere?
Basically WTF is our economic plan that will be so different when compared to these examples? |
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"Germany is in the EU.
The UK is in the EU.
Germany exports 47% EU (closest neighbours) 62% outside the EU. 8.8% USA, 6.4% China.
The UK exports 44% EU (closest neighbours) 66% outside the EU. 14.6% USA, 6% China.
The USA exports 34.2% Canada and Mexico (closest neighbours) 18.7% EU, 8% China
China exports 35.3% ASEAN, Hong Kong, Japan and South Korea (nearest neighbours), United States 19.25%, European Union 16.43%
From the perspective of trade what do we want to do or think that we can do that is so very different? Trading disteibutions are surprisingly similar.
Everyone exports to their nearest neighbours more than anywhere else. Our nearest neighbours just happen to have zero barriers to our sales.
Anyone can say thY the EU economy is not growing very fast, but it is already very rich. It's poorer economies that grow very quickly.
The USA's biggest trading partner other than its nearest neighbours is the EU. It's China's second biggest. Do they wish to reduce exports to the EU?
Is there any reason to actively reduce trade to the EU? Will that help us export more elsewhere?
Basically WTF is our economic plan that will be so different when compared to these examples?"
Good question. If you observe the facts you’ve listed, then it’s hard to understand what benefit to the UK leaving holds. However it is entirely clear what benefit the UK leaving the EU would have for some other economies. The US want to export more to the EU but have faced difficulty with this as EU regulations forbid importation of certain goods from the US for sale in European markets, considering them to be unsafe or hazardous in some way. The US obviously resents this.
As the EU has the strength in union to resist the pushing of the US, it would be helpful from an American perspective, if the EU was not quite as strong - not quite so united. Other non-EU economies may have similar incentives.
If one could both weaken the EU a little, whilst gaining new ground in say, the British market, then it’s feasible that on a return to trade negations with the EU, the US (or others) may have the necessary power to push those goods previously refused.
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Could we have a list for Imports as well please .
Trade is not just about exports its about both .
If you are not bringing enough in you are likely
Not going to be able to send a lot out .
You scratch my back i will scratch yours
As the old saying goes ( back in the good ole olden times ). |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Germany is in the EU.
The UK is in the EU.
Germany exports 47% EU (closest neighbours) 62% outside the EU. 8.8% USA, 6.4% China.
The UK exports 44% EU (closest neighbours) 66% outside the EU. 14.6% USA, 6% China.
The USA exports 34.2% Canada and Mexico (closest neighbours) 18.7% EU, 8% China
China exports 35.3% ASEAN, Hong Kong, Japan and South Korea (nearest neighbours), United States 19.25%, European Union 16.43%
From the perspective of trade what do we want to do or think that we can do that is so very different? Trading disteibutions are surprisingly similar.
Everyone exports to their nearest neighbours more than anywhere else. Our nearest neighbours just happen to have zero barriers to our sales.
Anyone can say thY the EU economy is not growing very fast, but it is already very rich. It's poorer economies that grow very quickly.
The USA's biggest trading partner other than its nearest neighbours is the EU. It's China's second biggest. Do they wish to reduce exports to the EU?
Is there any reason to actively reduce trade to the EU? Will that help us export more elsewhere?
Basically WTF is our economic plan that will be so different when compared to these examples?
Good question. If you observe the facts you’ve listed, then it’s hard to understand what benefit to the UK leaving holds. However it is entirely clear what benefit the UK leaving the EU would have for some other economies. The US want to export more to the EU but have faced difficulty with this as EU regulations forbid importation of certain goods from the US for sale in European markets, considering them to be unsafe or hazardous in some way. The US obviously resents this.
As the EU has the strength in union to resist the pushing of the US, it would be helpful from an American perspective, if the EU was not quite as strong - not quite so united. Other non-EU economies may have similar incentives.
If one could both weaken the EU a little, whilst gaining new ground in say, the British market, then it’s feasible that on a return to trade negations with the EU, the US (or others) may have the necessary power to push those goods previously refused.
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If your theory is right being the 1st maybe we will get a fantastic deal without all the bad stuff just to lure others out of the eu. I can speculate just as much as you but it does not make it right. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Germany is in the EU.
The UK is in the EU.
Germany exports 47% EU (closest neighbours) 62% outside the EU. 8.8% USA, 6.4% China.
The UK exports 44% EU (closest neighbours) 66% outside the EU. 14.6% USA, 6% China.
The USA exports 34.2% Canada and Mexico (closest neighbours) 18.7% EU, 8% China
China exports 35.3% ASEAN, Hong Kong, Japan and South Korea (nearest neighbours), United States 19.25%, European Union 16.43%
From the perspective of trade what do we want to do or think that we can do that is so very different? Trading disteibutions are surprisingly similar.
Everyone exports to their nearest neighbours more than anywhere else. Our nearest neighbours just happen to have zero barriers to our sales.
Anyone can say thY the EU economy is not growing very fast, but it is already very rich. It's poorer economies that grow very quickly.
The USA's biggest trading partner other than its nearest neighbours is the EU. It's China's second biggest. Do they wish to reduce exports to the EU?
Is there any reason to actively reduce trade to the EU? Will that help us export more elsewhere?
Basically WTF is our economic plan that will be so different when compared to these examples?
Good question. If you observe the facts you’ve listed, then it’s hard to understand what benefit to the UK leaving holds. However it is entirely clear what benefit the UK leaving the EU would have for some other economies. The US want to export more to the EU but have faced difficulty with this as EU regulations forbid importation of certain goods from the US for sale in European markets, considering them to be unsafe or hazardous in some way. The US obviously resents this.
As the EU has the strength in union to resist the pushing of the US, it would be helpful from an American perspective, if the EU was not quite as strong - not quite so united. Other non-EU economies may have similar incentives.
If one could both weaken the EU a little, whilst gaining new ground in say, the British market, then it’s feasible that on a return to trade negations with the EU, the US (or others) may have the necessary power to push those goods previously refused.
If your theory is right being the 1st maybe we will get a fantastic deal without all the bad stuff just to lure others out of the eu. I can speculate just as much as you but it does not make it right."
But can you back it up with anything?
The EU is by far our largest trading partner and trade with the US accounts for only a relatively small proportion of UK GDP in comparison.
The US cannot offer us any deal that would be more beneficial, or even the same as we have now.
They’d also want us to lower our standards to meet theirs, which doesn’t bode well for our health or the environment.
It may well also spell the end of the NHS as we know it.
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"Could we have a list for Imports as well please .
Trade is not just about exports its about both .
If you are not bringing enough in you are likely
Not going to be able to send a lot out .
You scratch my back i will scratch yours
As the old saying goes ( back in the good ole olden times )."
We could, but that's not what I'm interested in for this topic as imports don't directly "make us money" in simplistic terms.
It's only Trump and others who see trade balances as having "winners" and "losers" who view bilateral balance of trade as a zero sum game which is in any way meaningful.
We may have almost nothing that one country wants but they are the best source of something that we want. There's not much point in artificially creating a market for something else to "back scratch". |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"Germany is in the EU.
The UK is in the EU.
Germany exports 47% EU (closest neighbours) 62% outside the EU. 8.8% USA, 6.4% China.
The UK exports 44% EU (closest neighbours) 66% outside the EU. 14.6% USA, 6% China.
The USA exports 34.2% Canada and Mexico (closest neighbours) 18.7% EU, 8% China
China exports 35.3% ASEAN, Hong Kong, Japan and South Korea (nearest neighbours), United States 19.25%, European Union 16.43%
From the perspective of trade what do we want to do or think that we can do that is so very different? Trading disteibutions are surprisingly similar.
Everyone exports to their nearest neighbours more than anywhere else. Our nearest neighbours just happen to have zero barriers to our sales.
Anyone can say thY the EU economy is not growing very fast, but it is already very rich. It's poorer economies that grow very quickly.
The USA's biggest trading partner other than its nearest neighbours is the EU. It's China's second biggest. Do they wish to reduce exports to the EU?
Is there any reason to actively reduce trade to the EU? Will that help us export more elsewhere?
Basically WTF is our economic plan that will be so different when compared to these examples?
Good question. If you observe the facts you’ve listed, then it’s hard to understand what benefit to the UK leaving holds. However it is entirely clear what benefit the UK leaving the EU would have for some other economies. The US want to export more to the EU but have faced difficulty with this as EU regulations forbid importation of certain goods from the US for sale in European markets, considering them to be unsafe or hazardous in some way. The US obviously resents this.
As the EU has the strength in union to resist the pushing of the US, it would be helpful from an American perspective, if the EU was not quite as strong - not quite so united. Other non-EU economies may have similar incentives.
If one could both weaken the EU a little, whilst gaining new ground in say, the British market, then it’s feasible that on a return to trade negations with the EU, the US (or others) may have the necessary power to push those goods previously refused.
If your theory is right being the 1st maybe we will get a fantastic deal without all the bad stuff just to lure others out of the eu. I can speculate just as much as you but it does not make it right."
Why do you think that when the US negotiating position has been presented and is not what you have stated ?
The US President does not decide the terms of a trade deal on his own.
It has to pass through the legislature and voters from every state will expect their representative to have something for their local economies a lot of which in the central states is agriculture. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Regain sovereignty irrespective of incurring trade barriers I believe. 
What does that mean?
You are agreeing that there is no sensible economic point to this then? "
You may think you have a crystal ball but you haven't who knows what deals are down the road? If everyone was just happy sitting in their little bubble and not taking a chance nothing would ever been achieved.There are a lot of people who will see this as an opportunity so all your predictions on here are pointless come back in a couple of years then one side can gloat they were right.Up until then you jack shit the same as the rest of us. |
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over a year ago
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"Regain sovereignty irrespective of incurring trade barriers I believe.
What does that mean?
You are agreeing that there is no sensible economic point to this then? "
No shit sherlock |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Regain sovereignty irrespective of incurring trade barriers I believe.
What does that mean?
You are agreeing that there is no sensible economic point to this then? You may think you have a crystal ball but you haven't who knows what deals are down the road? If everyone was just happy sitting in their little bubble and not taking a chance nothing would ever been achieved.There are a lot of people who will see this as an opportunity so all your predictions on here are pointless come back in a couple of years then one side can gloat they were right.Up until then you jack shit the same as the rest of us."
Changes of this magnitude usually are preceded by a risk assessment and a mitigation strategy, not to mention a programme, cost and schedule.
Shame no-one thought to produce one.
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"Regain sovereignty irrespective of incurring trade barriers I believe.
What does that mean?
You are agreeing that there is no sensible economic point to this then? You may think you have a crystal ball but you haven't who knows what deals are down the road? If everyone was just happy sitting in their little bubble and not taking a chance nothing would ever been achieved.There are a lot of people who will see this as an opportunity so all your predictions on here are pointless come back in a couple of years then one side can gloat they were right.Up until then you jack shit the same as the rest of us."
I've not made any predictions here.
I've asked what the point is and your answer seems to be that we'll find out as you have no idea.
If it turns out well then great. If not, we'll just have to cope?
Regardless there is no pojnt trying to plan or predict anything. Just give it a go.
Is that about it? |
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"Regain sovereignty irrespective of incurring trade barriers I believe.
What does that mean?
You are agreeing that there is no sensible economic point to this then? You may think you have a crystal ball but you haven't who knows what deals are down the road? If everyone was just happy sitting in their little bubble and not taking a chance nothing would ever been achieved.There are a lot of people who will see this as an opportunity so all your predictions on here are pointless come back in a couple of years then one side can gloat they were right.Up until then you jack shit the same as the rest of us."
Funnily enough, every successful business, every successful individual, gets there by analysing the world, making a plan, checking how the plan goes against assumptions, modifying the plan, learning from history, not doing stupid things with no plan. It's not predicting the future, it's being aware of the possible outcomes of ones actions, and choosing a sensible way to proceed.
Your argument is that if you go play on the motorway you don't know if you'll get run over or not, so the only way to find out is to do it. After all instead of getting killed maybe you'll find a winning lottery ticket discarded on the central reservation.
Except it's not just you playing on the motorway, you're throwing the entire country there. Because it might work out okay. Although nobody has in fact been able to give one single bona fide positive reason for doing it, that can possibly be worth the risk of being flattened by the juggernauts. |
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"Regain sovereignty irrespective of incurring trade barriers I believe.
What does that mean?
You are agreeing that there is no sensible economic point to this then? You may think you have a crystal ball but you haven't who knows what deals are down the road? If everyone was just happy sitting in their little bubble and not taking a chance nothing would ever been achieved.There are a lot of people who will see this as an opportunity so all your predictions on here are pointless come back in a couple of years then one side can gloat they were right.Up until then you jack shit the same as the rest of us."
You could try wishing upon a star, or use a chickens wishbone to create some magic but such inane desires for magic don't really cut it when it comes to the wellbeing of millions of people gambled away on the premise you've outlined. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Regain sovereignty irrespective of incurring trade barriers I believe.
What does that mean?
You are agreeing that there is no sensible economic point to this then? You may think you have a crystal ball but you haven't who knows what deals are down the road? If everyone was just happy sitting in their little bubble and not taking a chance nothing would ever been achieved.There are a lot of people who will see this as an opportunity so all your predictions on here are pointless come back in a couple of years then one side can gloat they were right.Up until then you jack shit the same as the rest of us.
Funnily enough, every successful business, every successful individual, gets there by analysing the world, making a plan, checking how the plan goes against assumptions, modifying the plan, learning from history, not doing stupid things with no plan. It's not predicting the future, it's being aware of the possible outcomes of ones actions, and choosing a sensible way to proceed.
Your argument is that if you go play on the motorway you don't know if you'll get run over or not, so the only way to find out is to do it. After all instead of getting killed maybe you'll find a winning lottery ticket discarded on the central reservation.
Except it's not just you playing on the motorway, you're throwing the entire country there. Because it might work out okay. Although nobody has in fact been able to give one single bona fide positive reason for doing it, that can possibly be worth the risk of being flattened by the juggernauts."
No my argument is the people with the gumption to go out into the world and find new opportunities are probably doing it now not sitting on this site whinging about leaving. |
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"Regain sovereignty irrespective of incurring trade barriers I believe.
What does that mean?
You are agreeing that there is no sensible economic point to this then? You may think you have a crystal ball but you haven't who knows what deals are down the road? If everyone was just happy sitting in their little bubble and not taking a chance nothing would ever been achieved.There are a lot of people who will see this as an opportunity so all your predictions on here are pointless come back in a couple of years then one side can gloat they were right.Up until then you jack shit the same as the rest of us.
Funnily enough, every successful business, every successful individual, gets there by analysing the world, making a plan, checking how the plan goes against assumptions, modifying the plan, learning from history, not doing stupid things with no plan. It's not predicting the future, it's being aware of the possible outcomes of ones actions, and choosing a sensible way to proceed.
Your argument is that if you go play on the motorway you don't know if you'll get run over or not, so the only way to find out is to do it. After all instead of getting killed maybe you'll find a winning lottery ticket discarded on the central reservation.
Except it's not just you playing on the motorway, you're throwing the entire country there. Because it might work out okay. Although nobody has in fact been able to give one single bona fide positive reason for doing it, that can possibly be worth the risk of being flattened by the juggernauts."
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"Regain sovereignty irrespective of incurring trade barriers I believe.
What does that mean?
You are agreeing that there is no sensible economic point to this then? You may think you have a crystal ball but you haven't who knows what deals are down the road? If everyone was just happy sitting in their little bubble and not taking a chance nothing would ever been achieved.There are a lot of people who will see this as an opportunity so all your predictions on here are pointless come back in a couple of years then one side can gloat they were right.Up until then you jack shit the same as the rest of us.
Funnily enough, every successful business, every successful individual, gets there by analysing the world, making a plan, checking how the plan goes against assumptions, modifying the plan, learning from history, not doing stupid things with no plan. It's not predicting the future, it's being aware of the possible outcomes of ones actions, and choosing a sensible way to proceed.
Your argument is that if you go play on the motorway you don't know if you'll get run over or not, so the only way to find out is to do it. After all instead of getting killed maybe you'll find a winning lottery ticket discarded on the central reservation.
Except it's not just you playing on the motorway, you're throwing the entire country there. Because it might work out okay. Although nobody has in fact been able to give one single bona fide positive reason for doing it, that can possibly be worth the risk of being flattened by the juggernauts.No my argument is the people with the gumption to go out into the world and find new opportunities are probably doing it now not sitting on this site whinging about leaving."
Liam Fox is doing that on our behalf right now...he's doing fabulous work. The trade deal with the Faroe islands is the answer to our economic future |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"Regain sovereignty irrespective of incurring trade barriers I believe.
What does that mean?
You are agreeing that there is no sensible economic point to this then? You may think you have a crystal ball but you haven't who knows what deals are down the road? If everyone was just happy sitting in their little bubble and not taking a chance nothing would ever been achieved.There are a lot of people who will see this as an opportunity so all your predictions on here are pointless come back in a couple of years then one side can gloat they were right.Up until then you jack shit the same as the rest of us.
Funnily enough, every successful business, every successful individual, gets there by analysing the world, making a plan, checking how the plan goes against assumptions, modifying the plan, learning from history, not doing stupid things with no plan. It's not predicting the future, it's being aware of the possible outcomes of ones actions, and choosing a sensible way to proceed.
Your argument is that if you go play on the motorway you don't know if you'll get run over or not, so the only way to find out is to do it. After all instead of getting killed maybe you'll find a winning lottery ticket discarded on the central reservation.
Except it's not just you playing on the motorway, you're throwing the entire country there. Because it might work out okay. Although nobody has in fact been able to give one single bona fide positive reason for doing it, that can possibly be worth the risk of being flattened by the juggernauts.No my argument is the people with the gumption to go out into the world and find new opportunities are probably doing it now not sitting on this site whinging about leaving."
That is meaningless.
Gumption to go out into the world.
That is every immigrant.
You have no argument. There's nothing to stop us being out in the world from within the EU. Everyone else manages. I'm fact China and the USA consider "out in the world" selling as much as they can to the EU which you, apparently do not value and want to make harder whilst we "benefit" from the "freedom" to do something that we are already at liberty to do.
If a few people lose their jobs or the country permanently loses investment and international influence then so what?
What is an "acceptable" adjustment ent period?
How much pain is "worthwhile"?
How much poorer is "OK"?
You cannot and will not answer because you have absolutely no clue what the consequences of this are or what the potential benefits are.
None.
Yet you claim it's worth the risk.
A risk you cannot quantify. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Regain sovereignty irrespective of incurring trade barriers I believe.
What does that mean?
You are agreeing that there is no sensible economic point to this then? You may think you have a crystal ball but you haven't who knows what deals are down the road? If everyone was just happy sitting in their little bubble and not taking a chance nothing would ever been achieved.There are a lot of people who will see this as an opportunity so all your predictions on here are pointless come back in a couple of years then one side can gloat they were right.Up until then you jack shit the same as the rest of us.
Funnily enough, every successful business, every successful individual, gets there by analysing the world, making a plan, checking how the plan goes against assumptions, modifying the plan, learning from history, not doing stupid things with no plan. It's not predicting the future, it's being aware of the possible outcomes of ones actions, and choosing a sensible way to proceed.
Your argument is that if you go play on the motorway you don't know if you'll get run over or not, so the only way to find out is to do it. After all instead of getting killed maybe you'll find a winning lottery ticket discarded on the central reservation.
Except it's not just you playing on the motorway, you're throwing the entire country there. Because it might work out okay. Although nobody has in fact been able to give one single bona fide positive reason for doing it, that can possibly be worth the risk of being flattened by the juggernauts.No my argument is the people with the gumption to go out into the world and find new opportunities are probably doing it now not sitting on this site whinging about leaving."
Hi. An excellent post and the voice of common sense. Successfull people do not spend their lives complaining about things.
In any event Europe has already returned its verdict on the UK s decision to leave .
Investors from Europe have purchases more than 550 UK businesses in the last two years . Another endorsement of the success of the UK. |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"Regain sovereignty irrespective of incurring trade barriers I believe.
What does that mean?
You are agreeing that there is no sensible economic point to this then? You may think you have a crystal ball but you haven't who knows what deals are down the road? If everyone was just happy sitting in their little bubble and not taking a chance nothing would ever been achieved.There are a lot of people who will see this as an opportunity so all your predictions on here are pointless come back in a couple of years then one side can gloat they were right.Up until then you jack shit the same as the rest of us.
Funnily enough, every successful business, every successful individual, gets there by analysing the world, making a plan, checking how the plan goes against assumptions, modifying the plan, learning from history, not doing stupid things with no plan. It's not predicting the future, it's being aware of the possible outcomes of ones actions, and choosing a sensible way to proceed.
Your argument is that if you go play on the motorway you don't know if you'll get run over or not, so the only way to find out is to do it. After all instead of getting killed maybe you'll find a winning lottery ticket discarded on the central reservation.
Except it's not just you playing on the motorway, you're throwing the entire country there. Because it might work out okay. Although nobody has in fact been able to give one single bona fide positive reason for doing it, that can possibly be worth the risk of being flattened by the juggernauts.No my argument is the people with the gumption to go out into the world and find new opportunities are probably doing it now not sitting on this site whinging about leaving. Hi. An excellent post and the voice of common sense. Successfull people do not spend their lives complaining about things.
In any event Europe has already returned its verdict on the UK s decision to leave .
Investors from Europe have purchases more than 550 UK businesses in the last two years . Another endorsement of the success of the UK. "
So failing to address the OP completely. As predicted.
Fighting leaving is not whinging. Was Britain "whinging" when we were "inevitably" going to be invaded by Germany?
Europe makes no decision in the UK leaving. That's a meaningless comment.
British business has been bought because it became cheap with the devaluation of the pound. This makes them less likely to remain UK based when times get tough as the owners view them purely as an asset. The intellectual property of brand can be taken anywhere for exploitation.
What a simple-minded measure of business "success" |
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over a year ago
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"Regain sovereignty irrespective of incurring trade barriers I believe.
What does that mean?
You are agreeing that there is no sensible economic point to this then? You may think you have a crystal ball but you haven't who knows what deals are down the road? If everyone was just happy sitting in their little bubble and not taking a chance nothing would ever been achieved.There are a lot of people who will see this as an opportunity so all your predictions on here are pointless come back in a couple of years then one side can gloat they were right.Up until then you jack shit the same as the rest of us.
Funnily enough, every successful business, every successful individual, gets there by analysing the world, making a plan, checking how the plan goes against assumptions, modifying the plan, learning from history, not doing stupid things with no plan. It's not predicting the future, it's being aware of the possible outcomes of ones actions, and choosing a sensible way to proceed.
Your argument is that if you go play on the motorway you don't know if you'll get run over or not, so the only way to find out is to do it. After all instead of getting killed maybe you'll find a winning lottery ticket discarded on the central reservation.
Except it's not just you playing on the motorway, you're throwing the entire country there. Because it might work out okay. Although nobody has in fact been able to give one single bona fide positive reason for doing it, that can possibly be worth the risk of being flattened by the juggernauts.No my argument is the people with the gumption to go out into the world and find new opportunities are probably doing it now not sitting on this site whinging about leaving. Hi. An excellent post and the voice of common sense. Successfull people do not spend their lives complaining about things.
In any event Europe has already returned its verdict on the UK s decision to leave .
Investors from Europe have purchases more than 550 UK businesses in the last two years . Another endorsement of the success of the UK.
So failing to address the OP completely. As predicted.
Fighting leaving is not whinging. Was Britain "whinging" when we were "inevitably" going to be invaded by Germany?
Europe makes no decision in the UK leaving. That's a meaningless comment.
British business has been bought because it became cheap with the devaluation of the pound. This makes them less likely to remain UK based when times get tough as the owners view them purely as an asset. The intellectual property of brand can be taken anywhere for exploitation.
What a simple-minded measure of business "success" "
The fact that so many foreign companies wish to purchase our companies is proof of our success.
It indicates long term confidence in the UK regardless of Brexit. |
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By *asyuk OP Man
over a year ago
West London |
"Regain sovereignty irrespective of incurring trade barriers I believe.
What does that mean?
You are agreeing that there is no sensible economic point to this then? You may think you have a crystal ball but you haven't who knows what deals are down the road? If everyone was just happy sitting in their little bubble and not taking a chance nothing would ever been achieved.There are a lot of people who will see this as an opportunity so all your predictions on here are pointless come back in a couple of years then one side can gloat they were right.Up until then you jack shit the same as the rest of us.
Funnily enough, every successful business, every successful individual, gets there by analysing the world, making a plan, checking how the plan goes against assumptions, modifying the plan, learning from history, not doing stupid things with no plan. It's not predicting the future, it's being aware of the possible outcomes of ones actions, and choosing a sensible way to proceed.
Your argument is that if you go play on the motorway you don't know if you'll get run over or not, so the only way to find out is to do it. After all instead of getting killed maybe you'll find a winning lottery ticket discarded on the central reservation.
Except it's not just you playing on the motorway, you're throwing the entire country there. Because it might work out okay. Although nobody has in fact been able to give one single bona fide positive reason for doing it, that can possibly be worth the risk of being flattened by the juggernauts.No my argument is the people with the gumption to go out into the world and find new opportunities are probably doing it now not sitting on this site whinging about leaving. Hi. An excellent post and the voice of common sense. Successfull people do not spend their lives complaining about things.
In any event Europe has already returned its verdict on the UK s decision to leave .
Investors from Europe have purchases more than 550 UK businesses in the last two years . Another endorsement of the success of the UK.
So failing to address the OP completely. As predicted.
Fighting leaving is not whinging. Was Britain "whinging" when we were "inevitably" going to be invaded by Germany?
Europe makes no decision in the UK leaving. That's a meaningless comment.
British business has been bought because it became cheap with the devaluation of the pound. This makes them less likely to remain UK based when times get tough as the owners view them purely as an asset. The intellectual property of brand can be taken anywhere for exploitation.
What a simple-minded measure of business "success" The fact that so many foreign companies wish to purchase our companies is proof of our success.
It indicates long term confidence in the UK regardless of Brexit. "
Did you read the words?
It indicates bargain hunting. What did Kraft do after it bought Cadbury long before Brexit?
One of the biggest "foreign" purchases was Ladbroke being bought by a company based in the Isle of Man.
Out of an IoD survey of 1200 UKcompanies, 16% have relocation plans and a further 13% are actively considering it.
What does that mean? Are they traitors and whingers?
You have not actually made any indication as to how our trade will compare to the USA or China who seem to consider EU trade hugely important and trade the most with their nearest neighbours. Do we really believe that Germany ha e got their trade strategy completely wrong?
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over a year ago
West London |
"Regain sovereignty irrespective of incurring trade barriers I believe.
What does that mean?
You are agreeing that there is no sensible economic point to this then? You may think you have a crystal ball but you haven't who knows what deals are down the road? If everyone was just happy sitting in their little bubble and not taking a chance nothing would ever been achieved.There are a lot of people who will see this as an opportunity so all your predictions on here are pointless come back in a couple of years then one side can gloat they were right.Up until then you jack shit the same as the rest of us.
Funnily enough, every successful business, every successful individual, gets there by analysing the world, making a plan, checking how the plan goes against assumptions, modifying the plan, learning from history, not doing stupid things with no plan. It's not predicting the future, it's being aware of the possible outcomes of ones actions, and choosing a sensible way to proceed.
Your argument is that if you go play on the motorway you don't know if you'll get run over or not, so the only way to find out is to do it. After all instead of getting killed maybe you'll find a winning lottery ticket discarded on the central reservation.
Except it's not just you playing on the motorway, you're throwing the entire country there. Because it might work out okay. Although nobody has in fact been able to give one single bona fide positive reason for doing it, that can possibly be worth the risk of being flattened by the juggernauts.No my argument is the people with the gumption to go out into the world and find new opportunities are probably doing it now not sitting on this site whinging about leaving. Hi. An excellent post and the voice of common sense. Successfull people do not spend their lives complaining about things.
In any event Europe has already returned its verdict on the UK s decision to leave .
Investors from Europe have purchases more than 550 UK businesses in the last two years . Another endorsement of the success of the UK.
So failing to address the OP completely. As predicted.
Fighting leaving is not whinging. Was Britain "whinging" when we were "inevitably" going to be invaded by Germany?
Europe makes no decision in the UK leaving. That's a meaningless comment.
British business has been bought because it became cheap with the devaluation of the pound. This makes them less likely to remain UK based when times get tough as the owners view them purely as an asset. The intellectual property of brand can be taken anywhere for exploitation.
What a simple-minded measure of business "success" The fact that so many foreign companies wish to purchase our companies is proof of our success.
It indicates long term confidence in the UK regardless of Brexit. "
"LONDON (Reuters) - Assets worth around a trillion pounds are moving from London to hubs in the European Union ahead of Brexit, with the parallel shift in jobs likely to top 7,000, consultants EY said on Wednesday.
Banks, asset managers and insurers in London are opening or expanding hubs in the EU to avoid disruption from Britain's departure from the European Union.
Britain is legally due to leave next week, but the British government is asking Brussels for a delay.
In its latest Brexit Tracker, EY said that 23 companies have announced the transfer of about a trillion pounds in assets, up from 800 billion pounds in the last quarter."
Yes, it's all going swimmingly
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