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" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
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"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
"So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal. | |||
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"The message communicated repeatedly by the car industry is that a no-deal exit will probably be the end of car manufacturing in the UK, certainly on a large scale. I think BMW decided to stop production of the mini for a couple of weeks after March 29 sometime ago as a precaution, in case the flow of parts is interrupted. I saw, too, the Japanese ambassador warning that more Japanese business will exit the UK if the UK exits the EU with no agreement. " The parent company of Jaguar/Land rover (Indian TATA) announced last week they're Investing billions into Jaguar/Land Rover in the UK for future electric models. | |||
"But wasnt leave all about making things better for us all ?" They've changed their tune. Three years ago - it was going to be Empire 2.0 with bells and whistles. Now - we'll survive. I don't remember anyone voting to "survive". | |||
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"The interesting back-story to this is the production of the engines for the Mini. Petrol versions are produced in Birmingham, whilst the diesel versions are made in Austria. And we all know what the future holds for diesel engines. " Plenty of spare capacity for engine production in Austria going forward then | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal. "Theyve constantly said they want a deal. No Deal tariffs will kill their profitability in the Uk since the vast majority of Minis made in Oxford are for export | |||
"The interesting back-story to this is the production of the engines for the Mini. Petrol versions are produced in Birmingham, whilst the diesel versions are made in Austria. And we all know what the future holds for diesel engines. Plenty of spare capacity for engine production in Austria going forward then" Nothing is ever simple in the world of Automotive! | |||
"The interesting back-story to this is the production of the engines for the Mini. Petrol versions are produced in Birmingham, whilst the diesel versions are made in Austria. And we all know what the future holds for diesel engines. Plenty of spare capacity for engine production in Austria going forward then" Or plenty of potential for job losses in Austria. | |||
"But wasnt leave all about making things better for us all ? They've changed their tune. Three years ago - it was going to be Empire 2.0 with bells and whistles. Now - we'll survive. I don't remember anyone voting to "survive". " Exactly the point that needs to be made. Brexit was not to survive it was To make things better. Farage doesnt want to survive he wants to prosper Rhys Fogg , well he is so rich he doesnt give a pigs head blowjob for anyone else in the u.k . Talking of pig head blowjobs Whats Dave upto ? | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal. "I thought BMW were going to make the EU fold, not us... | |||
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"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
I thought BMW were going to make the EU fold, not us..."They can do both can't they. It's also been reported that the German Chambers of Commerce and German big business is putting pressure on Angela Merkel to secure a deal. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
I thought BMW were going to make the EU fold, not us...
They can do both can't they. It's also been reported that the German Chambers of Commerce and German big business is putting pressure on Angela Merkel to secure a deal. "Of course they can. But it’s always been sold as one sided.... in the end the EU would blink first. The fact they are leveraging both sides makes me wonder why they were ever mentioned by brexiteers as part of the deal negotiations.... | |||
" It's also been reported that the German Chambers of Commerce and German big business is putting pressure on Angela Merkel to secure a deal. " Germany is already signed up to a deal. Its your Brextremist chums who are holding out for no deal. | |||
" It's also been reported that the German Chambers of Commerce and German big business is putting pressure on Angela Merkel to secure a deal. Germany is already signed up to a deal. Its your Brextremist chums who are holding out for no deal. " It's the remoaners in Parliament who are trying to delay Brexit or extend article 50. All that will do is prolong the uncertainty for business. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
I thought BMW were going to make the EU fold, not us...
They can do both can't they. It's also been reported that the German Chambers of Commerce and German big business is putting pressure on Angela Merkel to secure a deal. "You've been telling us this for 2 years | |||
" It's also been reported that the German Chambers of Commerce and German big business is putting pressure on Angela Merkel to secure a deal. Germany is already signed up to a deal. Its your Brextremist chums who are holding out for no deal. It's the remoaners in Parliament who are trying to delay Brexit or extend article 50. All that will do is prolong the uncertainty for business. " It's the ERG and their ilk who are failing to support their own government. | |||
" It's also been reported that the German Chambers of Commerce and German big business is putting pressure on Angela Merkel to secure a deal. Germany is already signed up to a deal. Its your Brextremist chums who are holding out for no deal. "  | |||
" It's also been reported that the German Chambers of Commerce and German big business is putting pressure on Angela Merkel to secure a deal. Germany is already signed up to a deal. Its your Brextremist chums who are holding out for no deal. It's the remoaners in Parliament who are trying to delay Brexit or extend article 50. All that will do is prolong the uncertainty for business. " The voices of dissatisfaction seem to be more weighted towards avoiding no deal than complaining about the uncertainity of what a few looks like. And no deal is the baby of ERG, farage etc. | |||
" It's also been reported that the German Chambers of Commerce and German big business is putting pressure on Angela Merkel to secure a deal. Germany is already signed up to a deal. Its your Brextremist chums who are holding out for no deal. It's the remoaners in Parliament who are trying to delay Brexit or extend article 50. All that will do is prolong the uncertainty for business. " Some basic facts for you. The Conservative Party forms the Government. It has a majority with the DUP. Its manifesto said it would negotiate a deal to exit the EU. The leader brings the exit deal to the House of Commons. 100 of her own MPs refuse to support it. The deal is being blocked by the Conservative Party. The pro-Brexit Conservative Party. | |||
" It's also been reported that the German Chambers of Commerce and German big business is putting pressure on Angela Merkel to secure a deal. Germany is already signed up to a deal. Its your Brextremist chums who are holding out for no deal. It's the remoaners in Parliament who are trying to delay Brexit or extend article 50. All that will do is prolong the uncertainty for business. The voices of dissatisfaction seem to be more weighted towards avoiding no deal than complaining about the uncertainity of what a few looks like. And no deal is the baby of ERG, farage etc. " At least a no deal would give business a definitive answer. As would leaving with Theresa May's deal. The remoaners idea of delaying Brexit or extending article 50 will just prolong the uncertainty for business and the overwhelming message from business is they just want certainty with an answer one way or the other. | |||
" It's also been reported that the German Chambers of Commerce and German big business is putting pressure on Angela Merkel to secure a deal. Germany is already signed up to a deal. Its your Brextremist chums who are holding out for no deal. It's the remoaners in Parliament who are trying to delay Brexit or extend article 50. All that will do is prolong the uncertainty for business. The voices of dissatisfaction seem to be more weighted towards avoiding no deal than complaining about the uncertainity of what a few looks like. And no deal is the baby of ERG, farage etc. At least a no deal would give business a definitive answer. As would leaving with Theresa May's deal. The remoaners idea of delaying Brexit or extending article 50 will just prolong the uncertainty for business and the overwhelming message from business is they just want certainty with an answer one way or the other. " Id say the message is moving from that to how bad a no deal is. I’ve not seen many (if any) businesses say just get on with it and no deal out. Tends to be more individuals. | |||
" Of course they can. But it’s always been sold as one sided.... in the end the EU would blink first." This is where brexit falls down completely. The EU have no need to blink 1st. They will have no shortages of deals in place to keep them going. Whil the uk still only has a handful of the near 200 deals it has to replace if the brexit thing really goes through. | |||
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" Of course they can. But it’s always been sold as one sided.... in the end the EU would blink first. This is where brexit falls down completely. The EU have no need to blink 1st. They will have no shortages of deals in place to keep them going. Whil the uk still only has a handful of the near 200 deals it has to replace if the brexit thing really goes through." They need our money we are still the 5th largest economy in the world. | |||
"Centy :Are you so weak that you can not see what brexit means for the UK? Are you so immune to knowledge? Where do people like you come from? Explain to me" Freedom from the eu and all those unelected bureaucrats. | |||
"Centy :Are you so weak that you can not see what brexit means for the UK? Are you so immune to knowledge? Where do people like you come from? Explain to meFreedom from the eu and all those unelected bureaucrats." You come across these unelected bureaucrats on a daily basis? | |||
"Centy :Are you so weak that you can not see what brexit means for the UK? Are you so immune to knowledge? Where do people like you come from? Explain to meFreedom from the eu and all those unelected bureaucrats." Are you his lawyer? And after that it's a lie you say. When the UK did not have freedom. Another stupidity from brexit mouth. What is wrong with you? Why did you let your brains wash? | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal. "good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again! then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit... you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit... so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......  | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often......."Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit. I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January! Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal. I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin. However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
"Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT ITS SOFT REMAIN. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
"No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. "It’s a fairly well accepted fact that remainers are generally better educated. “What are the facts? Research carried out by leading polling companies in the wake of the referendum found that educational attainment was strongly linked to whether voters supported EU membership. According to YouGov, 68% of voters with a university degree wanted to remain in the EU, while 70% of voters with only GCSE qualifications or lower voted to leave. Those with A levels and no degree were evenly split. These findings largely tally with the results of an Ipsos Mori survey published in September, and with polling conducted by Lord Ashcroft on the day of the referendum. Of the 30 areas with the fewest graduates in the UK, 28 backed Brexit, according to the BBC. “By contrast, 29 out of the 30 areas with the most graduates voted Remain”, including the City of London, Belfast South, Cambridge, Oxford and Edinburgh, it adds. Who is right? Polling data suggests that Sheerman is correct; voters with higher qualifications were more likely to vote to remain in the EU.” https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/89378/fact-check-did-uk-s-better-educated-vote-remain%3famp “The level of higher education in an area was far more important than age, gender, the number of immigrants, or income in predicting the way an area voted, the researchers found.” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-education-higher-university-study-university-leave-eu-remain-voters-educated-a7881441.html “The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. (The data for this analysis comes from one in nine wards) The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034 | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. "Assuming brexit with a deal is Mays deal... It’s not remainers calling it BINO. It’s not remainers calling out May as going against the will of the people. An affront to democracy. Why did the ERG vote against it? | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
It’s a fairly well accepted fact that remainers are generally better educated.
“What are the facts?
Research carried out by leading polling companies in the wake of the referendum found that educational attainment was strongly linked to whether voters supported EU membership.
According to YouGov, 68% of voters with a university degree wanted to remain in the EU, while 70% of voters with only GCSE qualifications or lower voted to leave. Those with A levels and no degree were evenly split.
These findings largely tally with the results of an Ipsos Mori survey published in September, and with polling conducted by Lord Ashcroft on the day of the referendum.
Of the 30 areas with the fewest graduates in the UK, 28 backed Brexit, according to the BBC. “By contrast, 29 out of the 30 areas with the most graduates voted Remain”, including the City of London, Belfast South, Cambridge, Oxford and Edinburgh, it adds.
Who is right?
Polling data suggests that Sheerman is correct; voters with higher qualifications were more likely to vote to remain in the EU.”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/89378/fact-check-did-uk-s-better-educated-vote-remain%3famp
“The level of higher education in an area was far more important than age, gender, the number of immigrants, or income in predicting the way an area voted, the researchers found.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-education-higher-university-study-university-leave-eu-remain-voters-educated-a7881441.html
“The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. (The data for this analysis comes from one in nine wards)
The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
"Data shows that Leave voters were generally older, and so have more life experience, and the older generation generally make better decisions. I think the phrase you're looking for here is 'older and wiser'. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Assuming brexit with a deal is Mays deal...
It’s not remainers calling it BINO. It’s not remainers calling out May as going against the will of the people. An affront to democracy. Why did the ERG vote against it? "Mainly because of the backstop which would potentially keep the UK in the EU's customs union with no way of getting out of it. If Theresa May can bring back legally binding changes to the backstop i think the ERG will vote for the deal, and the vote on the Brady ammendment a few weeks ago shows there would be a majority for the deal with changes to the backstop. Now why did remainers in Parliament vote against the deal? | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Assuming brexit with a deal is Mays deal...
It’s not remainers calling it BINO. It’s not remainers calling out May as going against the will of the people. An affront to democracy. Why did the ERG vote against it?
Mainly because of the backstop which would potentially keep the UK in the EU's customs union with no way of getting out of it. If Theresa May can bring back legally binding changes to the backstop i think the ERG will vote for the deal, and the vote on the Brady ammendment a few weeks ago shows there would be a majority for the deal with changes to the backstop.
Now why did remainers in Parliament vote against the deal? "Tbf I agree with you on the ERG. I think they are softening and the idea of a panel may be interesting (given some trade deals use this) However my point that it is generally brexiteers who call Mays deal remain is disguise (rather than most remainers I know who say it delivers the referendum result) stands. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
It’s a fairly well accepted fact that remainers are generally better educated.
“What are the facts?
Research carried out by leading polling companies in the wake of the referendum found that educational attainment was strongly linked to whether voters supported EU membership.
According to YouGov, 68% of voters with a university degree wanted to remain in the EU, while 70% of voters with only GCSE qualifications or lower voted to leave. Those with A levels and no degree were evenly split.
These findings largely tally with the results of an Ipsos Mori survey published in September, and with polling conducted by Lord Ashcroft on the day of the referendum.
Of the 30 areas with the fewest graduates in the UK, 28 backed Brexit, according to the BBC. “By contrast, 29 out of the 30 areas with the most graduates voted Remain”, including the City of London, Belfast South, Cambridge, Oxford and Edinburgh, it adds.
Who is right?
Polling data suggests that Sheerman is correct; voters with higher qualifications were more likely to vote to remain in the EU.”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/89378/fact-check-did-uk-s-better-educated-vote-remain%3famp
“The level of higher education in an area was far more important than age, gender, the number of immigrants, or income in predicting the way an area voted, the researchers found.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-education-higher-university-study-university-leave-eu-remain-voters-educated-a7881441.html
“The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. (The data for this analysis comes from one in nine wards)
The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
Data shows that Leave voters were generally older, and so have more life experience, and the older generation generally make better decisions. I think the phrase you're looking for here is 'older and wiser'. "Age does not equate to wisdom. You could have been locked in your garden shed for 60 years. Anyway you’re clutching at straws now. You said remainers claimed they were better educated when the facts are they ARE better educated. Yours is just supposition without any proof because whether someone is wise or not is unprovable by any data we could gather. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Assuming brexit with a deal is Mays deal...
It’s not remainers calling it BINO. It’s not remainers calling out May as going against the will of the people. An affront to democracy. Why did the ERG vote against it?
Mainly because of the backstop which would potentially keep the UK in the EU's customs union with no way of getting out of it. If Theresa May can bring back legally binding changes to the backstop i think the ERG will vote for the deal, and the vote on the Brady ammendment a few weeks ago shows there would be a majority for the deal with changes to the backstop.
Now why did remainers in Parliament vote against the deal?
Tbf I agree with you on the ERG. I think they are softening and the idea of a panel may be interesting (given some trade deals use this)
However my point that it is generally brexiteers who call Mays deal remain is disguise (rather than most remainers I know who say it delivers the referendum result) stands. "But that doesn't answer why remainers voted against the deal? | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
It’s a fairly well accepted fact that remainers are generally better educated.
“What are the facts?
Research carried out by leading polling companies in the wake of the referendum found that educational attainment was strongly linked to whether voters supported EU membership.
According to YouGov, 68% of voters with a university degree wanted to remain in the EU, while 70% of voters with only GCSE qualifications or lower voted to leave. Those with A levels and no degree were evenly split.
These findings largely tally with the results of an Ipsos Mori survey published in September, and with polling conducted by Lord Ashcroft on the day of the referendum.
Of the 30 areas with the fewest graduates in the UK, 28 backed Brexit, according to the BBC. “By contrast, 29 out of the 30 areas with the most graduates voted Remain”, including the City of London, Belfast South, Cambridge, Oxford and Edinburgh, it adds.
Who is right?
Polling data suggests that Sheerman is correct; voters with higher qualifications were more likely to vote to remain in the EU.”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/89378/fact-check-did-uk-s-better-educated-vote-remain%3famp
“The level of higher education in an area was far more important than age, gender, the number of immigrants, or income in predicting the way an area voted, the researchers found.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-education-higher-university-study-university-leave-eu-remain-voters-educated-a7881441.html
“The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. (The data for this analysis comes from one in nine wards)
The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
Data shows that Leave voters were generally older, and so have more life experience, and the older generation generally make better decisions. I think the phrase you're looking for here is 'older and wiser'.
Age does not equate to wisdom.
You could have been locked in your garden shed for 60 years.
Anyway you’re clutching at straws now.
You said remainers claimed they were better educated when the facts are they ARE better educated.
Yours is just supposition without any proof because whether someone is wise or not is unprovable by any data we could gather. "London voted remain, and its scientifically proven that higher pollution levels have a negative effect on intelligence levels. The scientific paper on this was produced last year. Now as London is the most polluted area of the country, its fair to deduce from that scientific data, that the London area must have a reduced level of intelligence compared to the rest of the country. Given some of the comments from remainers on here its also obvious some of them are not clued up about the ins and outs of the finer details of Brexit. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
It’s a fairly well accepted fact that remainers are generally better educated.
“What are the facts?
Research carried out by leading polling companies in the wake of the referendum found that educational attainment was strongly linked to whether voters supported EU membership.
According to YouGov, 68% of voters with a university degree wanted to remain in the EU, while 70% of voters with only GCSE qualifications or lower voted to leave. Those with A levels and no degree were evenly split.
These findings largely tally with the results of an Ipsos Mori survey published in September, and with polling conducted by Lord Ashcroft on the day of the referendum.
Of the 30 areas with the fewest graduates in the UK, 28 backed Brexit, according to the BBC. “By contrast, 29 out of the 30 areas with the most graduates voted Remain”, including the City of London, Belfast South, Cambridge, Oxford and Edinburgh, it adds.
Who is right?
Polling data suggests that Sheerman is correct; voters with higher qualifications were more likely to vote to remain in the EU.”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/89378/fact-check-did-uk-s-better-educated-vote-remain%3famp
“The level of higher education in an area was far more important than age, gender, the number of immigrants, or income in predicting the way an area voted, the researchers found.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-education-higher-university-study-university-leave-eu-remain-voters-educated-a7881441.html
“The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. (The data for this analysis comes from one in nine wards)
The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
Data shows that Leave voters were generally older, and so have more life experience, and the older generation generally make better decisions. I think the phrase you're looking for here is 'older and wiser'.
Age does not equate to wisdom.
You could have been locked in your garden shed for 60 years.
Anyway you’re clutching at straws now.
You said remainers claimed they were better educated when the facts are they ARE better educated.
Yours is just supposition without any proof because whether someone is wise or not is unprovable by any data we could gather.
London voted remain, and its scientifically proven that higher pollution levels have a negative effect on intelligence levels. The scientific paper on this was produced last year. Now as London is the most polluted area of the country, its fair to deduce from that scientific data, that the London area must have a reduced level of intelligence compared to the rest of the country. Given some of the comments from remainers on here its also obvious some of them are not clued up about the ins and outs of the finer details of Brexit. "Lol that’s a correlation fallacy. You cannot prove Londoners are less intelligent because of pollution because it doesn’t appreciate any other factor. What if more intelligent people move to Lomdon for the higher paid jobs? However it’s irrelevant as I have already given you proof that the remain camp are generally better educated so there’s no argument there anymore. We have the facts. | |||
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"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Assuming brexit with a deal is Mays deal...
It’s not remainers calling it BINO. It’s not remainers calling out May as going against the will of the people. An affront to democracy. Why did the ERG vote against it?
Mainly because of the backstop which would potentially keep the UK in the EU's customs union with no way of getting out of it. If Theresa May can bring back legally binding changes to the backstop i think the ERG will vote for the deal, and the vote on the Brady ammendment a few weeks ago shows there would be a majority for the deal with changes to the backstop.
Now why did remainers in Parliament vote against the deal?
Tbf I agree with you on the ERG. I think they are softening and the idea of a panel may be interesting (given some trade deals use this)
However my point that it is generally brexiteers who call Mays deal remain is disguise (rather than most remainers I know who say it delivers the referendum result) stands.
But that doesn't answer why remainers voted against the deal? "Not relevant to the fact you were calling out remainers as being stupid for say the deal is soft remain when they are parroting brexiteer comments. | |||
"Next up is Nissan (again). Cutting back production at Sunderland, according to Sky News. 400 jobs to go. " Speculation at the moment. Geneva Motor Show is on, so lots of automotive chatter and gossip being circulated. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Assuming brexit with a deal is Mays deal...
It’s not remainers calling it BINO. It’s not remainers calling out May as going against the will of the people. An affront to democracy. Why did the ERG vote against it?
Mainly because of the backstop which would potentially keep the UK in the EU's customs union with no way of getting out of it. If Theresa May can bring back legally binding changes to the backstop i think the ERG will vote for the deal, and the vote on the Brady ammendment a few weeks ago shows there would be a majority for the deal with changes to the backstop.
Now why did remainers in Parliament vote against the deal?
Tbf I agree with you on the ERG. I think they are softening and the idea of a panel may be interesting (given some trade deals use this)
However my point that it is generally brexiteers who call Mays deal remain is disguise (rather than most remainers I know who say it delivers the referendum result) stands.
But that doesn't answer why remainers voted against the deal?
Not relevant to the fact you were calling out remainers as being stupid for say the deal is soft remain when they are parroting brexiteer comments. "So why did remainers in parliament vote against Theresa May's deal then? | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. "If its not a Hard Brexit it's not Brexit . If its not Brexit it must only be Remain.
Keep it binary poppet ,
You'll make sense of it all
easily then
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"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Assuming brexit with a deal is Mays deal...
It’s not remainers calling it BINO. It’s not remainers calling out May as going against the will of the people. An affront to democracy. Why did the ERG vote against it?
Mainly because of the backstop which would potentially keep the UK in the EU's customs union with no way of getting out of it. If Theresa May can bring back legally binding changes to the backstop i think the ERG will vote for the deal, and the vote on the Brady ammendment a few weeks ago shows there would be a majority for the deal with changes to the backstop.
Now why did remainers in Parliament vote against the deal?
Tbf I agree with you on the ERG. I think they are softening and the idea of a panel may be interesting (given some trade deals use this)
However my point that it is generally brexiteers who call Mays deal remain is disguise (rather than most remainers I know who say it delivers the referendum result) stands.
But that doesn't answer why remainers voted against the deal?
Not relevant to the fact you were calling out remainers as being stupid for say the deal is soft remain when they are parroting brexiteer comments.
So why did remainers in parliament vote against Theresa May's deal then? "What relevance does this have to your comment about people being clueless for calling Mays deal soft remain ? I know this is all a deviation from the OP, but let’s at least stick to the comment you made which I was questioning. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Assuming brexit with a deal is Mays deal...
It’s not remainers calling it BINO. It’s not remainers calling out May as going against the will of the people. An affront to democracy. Why did the ERG vote against it?
Mainly because of the backstop which would potentially keep the UK in the EU's customs union with no way of getting out of it. If Theresa May can bring back legally binding changes to the backstop i think the ERG will vote for the deal, and the vote on the Brady ammendment a few weeks ago shows there would be a majority for the deal with changes to the backstop.
Now why did remainers in Parliament vote against the deal?
Tbf I agree with you on the ERG. I think they are softening and the idea of a panel may be interesting (given some trade deals use this)
However my point that it is generally brexiteers who call Mays deal remain is disguise (rather than most remainers I know who say it delivers the referendum result) stands.
But that doesn't answer why remainers voted against the deal?
Not relevant to the fact you were calling out remainers as being stupid for say the deal is soft remain when they are parroting brexiteer comments.
So why did remainers in parliament vote against Theresa May's deal then?
What relevance does this have to your comment about people being clueless for calling Mays deal soft remain ? I know this is all a deviation from the OP, but let’s at least stick to the comment you made which I was questioning. "You don't want to answer then. Fair enough. Maybe it's because you know remainers in Parliament are deliberately Tring to block or delay brexit. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
If its not a Hard Brexit it's not Brexit .
If its not Brexit it must only be Remain.
Keep it binary poppet ,
You'll make sense of it all
easily then
"Ok then, if you think Theresa May's deal is as good as remain, why did remainers in Parliament vote against it? | |||
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"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens . Dont tel me leavers , its Corbyns fault. "Wring again,it is if we leave with no deal | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Assuming brexit with a deal is Mays deal...
It’s not remainers calling it BINO. It’s not remainers calling out May as going against the will of the people. An affront to democracy. Why did the ERG vote against it?
Mainly because of the backstop which would potentially keep the UK in the EU's customs union with no way of getting out of it. If Theresa May can bring back legally binding changes to the backstop i think the ERG will vote for the deal, and the vote on the Brady ammendment a few weeks ago shows there would be a majority for the deal with changes to the backstop.
Now why did remainers in Parliament vote against the deal?
Tbf I agree with you on the ERG. I think they are softening and the idea of a panel may be interesting (given some trade deals use this)
However my point that it is generally brexiteers who call Mays deal remain is disguise (rather than most remainers I know who say it delivers the referendum result) stands.
But that doesn't answer why remainers voted against the deal?
Not relevant to the fact you were calling out remainers as being stupid for say the deal is soft remain when they are parroting brexiteer comments.
So why did remainers in parliament vote against Theresa May's deal then?
What relevance does this have to your comment about people being clueless for calling Mays deal soft remain ? I know this is all a deviation from the OP, but let’s at least stick to the comment you made which I was questioning.
You don't want to answer then. Fair enough. Maybe it's because you know remainers in Parliament are deliberately Tring to block or delay brexit. "And your avoiding conceeding your dig at remainers was actually a slight on many brexiteers. To answer your question, I think your interpretation is the simplest. However given the ERG were going to vote against May, I suspect many saw this as a free hit. Her deal was never going to pass. What’s more, if they were to accept a softer brexit as Being the best version of brexit, they couldn’t have the hard brexiteers as being the only dissenting voice. Because then all concessions would be to harden Mays deal. Fact is, until May has the brexiteers on her side, we don’t know what the remain MPs will really vote. | |||
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"Soft Brexit is NOT BREXIT IT IS A Form of Remain. Strong & Stable Brexit means Brexit All just eords to pacify leave voters into believing they will get what they voted for . Still they dont see only Hard brexit gives them what they voted for & they are not going to get it" Soft brexit could be a springboard to hard Brexit. As we joined the EU in the 1970's and became closer to it over the following 40 years. The same could now happen in reverse, with a soft brexit to start with, slowly distancing ourselves from the EU more and more as time goes by. The EU won't exist in 40 years time though it will collapse and be consigned to the dustbin of history long before then. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. "Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting: "Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. " Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it? | |||
"Soft Brexit is NOT BREXIT IT IS A Form of Remain. Strong & Stable Brexit means Brexit All just eords to pacify leave voters into believing they will get what they voted for . Still they dont see only Hard brexit gives them what they voted for & they are not going to get it Soft brexit could be a springboard to hard Brexit. As we joined the EU in the 1970's and became closer to it over the following 40 years. The same could now happen in reverse, with a soft brexit to start with, slowly distancing ourselves from the EU more and more as time goes by. The EU won't exist in 40 years time though it will collapse and be consigned to the dustbin of history long before then. " So you agree Soft Remain is Not what leavers voted for ? Which was Brexit means Leave the EU . Bit of a turn up that . Centy claiming leave wont happen come the 29th . | |||
"Soft Brexit is NOT BREXIT IT IS A Form of Remain. Strong & Stable Brexit means Brexit All just eords to pacify leave voters into believing they will get what they voted for . Still they dont see only Hard brexit gives them what they voted for & they are not going to get it Soft brexit could be a springboard to hard Brexit. As we joined the EU in the 1970's and became closer to it over the following 40 years. The same could now happen in reverse, with a soft brexit to start with, slowly distancing ourselves from the EU more and more as time goes by. The EU won't exist in 40 years time though it will collapse and be consigned to the dustbin of history long before then. So you agree Soft Remain is Not what leavers voted for ? Which was Brexit means Leave the EU . Bit of a turn up that . Centy claiming leave wont happen come the 29th . " No I don't agree. To me a soft Brexit would have been a Norway/Swiss EFTA type deal where we remain in the Single market or the customs union. Theresa May's withdrawal agreement takes us out of the single market AND the customs union. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?"Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.  | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago. "The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed. Ever felt like you've been conned? | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned? "Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it. "Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
It’s a fairly well accepted fact that remainers are generally better educated.
“What are the facts?
Research carried out by leading polling companies in the wake of the referendum found that educational attainment was strongly linked to whether voters supported EU membership.
According to YouGov, 68% of voters with a university degree wanted to remain in the EU, while 70% of voters with only GCSE qualifications or lower voted to leave. Those with A levels and no degree were evenly split.
These findings largely tally with the results of an Ipsos Mori survey published in September, and with polling conducted by Lord Ashcroft on the day of the referendum.
Of the 30 areas with the fewest graduates in the UK, 28 backed Brexit, according to the BBC. “By contrast, 29 out of the 30 areas with the most graduates voted Remain”, including the City of London, Belfast South, Cambridge, Oxford and Edinburgh, it adds.
Who is right?
Polling data suggests that Sheerman is correct; voters with higher qualifications were more likely to vote to remain in the EU.”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/89378/fact-check-did-uk-s-better-educated-vote-remain%3famp
“The level of higher education in an area was far more important than age, gender, the number of immigrants, or income in predicting the way an area voted, the researchers found.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-education-higher-university-study-university-leave-eu-remain-voters-educated-a7881441.html
“The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. (The data for this analysis comes from one in nine wards)
The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
Data shows that Leave voters were generally older, and so have more life experience, and the older generation generally make better decisions. I think the phrase you're looking for here is 'older and wiser'. "The only phrase that you can associate with that analysis is utter claptrap | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
It’s a fairly well accepted fact that remainers are generally better educated.
“What are the facts?
Research carried out by leading polling companies in the wake of the referendum found that educational attainment was strongly linked to whether voters supported EU membership.
According to YouGov, 68% of voters with a university degree wanted to remain in the EU, while 70% of voters with only GCSE qualifications or lower voted to leave. Those with A levels and no degree were evenly split.
These findings largely tally with the results of an Ipsos Mori survey published in September, and with polling conducted by Lord Ashcroft on the day of the referendum.
Of the 30 areas with the fewest graduates in the UK, 28 backed Brexit, according to the BBC. “By contrast, 29 out of the 30 areas with the most graduates voted Remain”, including the City of London, Belfast South, Cambridge, Oxford and Edinburgh, it adds.
Who is right?
Polling data suggests that Sheerman is correct; voters with higher qualifications were more likely to vote to remain in the EU.”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/89378/fact-check-did-uk-s-better-educated-vote-remain%3famp
“The level of higher education in an area was far more important than age, gender, the number of immigrants, or income in predicting the way an area voted, the researchers found.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-education-higher-university-study-university-leave-eu-remain-voters-educated-a7881441.html
“The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. (The data for this analysis comes from one in nine wards)
The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
Data shows that Leave voters were generally older, and so have more life experience, and the older generation generally make better decisions. I think the phrase you're looking for here is 'older and wiser'.
The only phrase that you can associate with that analysis is utter claptrap"He does seem to have a way of analysing things like I pointed out above. May's deal was a 'Betrayal of Brexit' but it turned out he only meant the backstop part. Who know's why a guy from the Midlands cares so much about Northern Ireland (Who were mostly in favour of being in the EU) | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
"To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
It’s a fairly well accepted fact that remainers are generally better educated.
“What are the facts?
Research carried out by leading polling companies in the wake of the referendum found that educational attainment was strongly linked to whether voters supported EU membership.
According to YouGov, 68% of voters with a university degree wanted to remain in the EU, while 70% of voters with only GCSE qualifications or lower voted to leave. Those with A levels and no degree were evenly split.
These findings largely tally with the results of an Ipsos Mori survey published in September, and with polling conducted by Lord Ashcroft on the day of the referendum.
Of the 30 areas with the fewest graduates in the UK, 28 backed Brexit, according to the BBC. “By contrast, 29 out of the 30 areas with the most graduates voted Remain”, including the City of London, Belfast South, Cambridge, Oxford and Edinburgh, it adds.
Who is right?
Polling data suggests that Sheerman is correct; voters with higher qualifications were more likely to vote to remain in the EU.”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/89378/fact-check-did-uk-s-better-educated-vote-remain%3famp
“The level of higher education in an area was far more important than age, gender, the number of immigrants, or income in predicting the way an area voted, the researchers found.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-education-higher-university-study-university-leave-eu-remain-voters-educated-a7881441.html
“The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. (The data for this analysis comes from one in nine wards)
The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
Data shows that Leave voters were generally older, and so have more life experience, and the older generation generally make better decisions. I think the phrase you're looking for here is 'older and wiser'.
The only phrase that you can associate with that analysis is utter claptrap
He does seem to have a way of analysing things like I pointed out above. May's deal was a 'Betrayal of Brexit' but it turned out he only meant the backstop part.
Who know's why a guy from the Midlands cares so much about Northern Ireland (Who were mostly in favour of being in the EU) "It's not just about Northern Ireland though is it. The backstop has the potential to keep the whole of the UK in the EU customs union indefinitely with no way to escape from it in its current form. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not. "Well you replied twice so you obviously are. So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. ' How does that reconcile with this? That you wrote 16 weeks ago: "I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. " Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned? | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
It’s a fairly well accepted fact that remainers are generally better educated.
“What are the facts?
Research carried out by leading polling companies in the wake of the referendum found that educational attainment was strongly linked to whether voters supported EU membership.
According to YouGov, 68% of voters with a university degree wanted to remain in the EU, while 70% of voters with only GCSE qualifications or lower voted to leave. Those with A levels and no degree were evenly split.
These findings largely tally with the results of an Ipsos Mori survey published in September, and with polling conducted by Lord Ashcroft on the day of the referendum.
Of the 30 areas with the fewest graduates in the UK, 28 backed Brexit, according to the BBC. “By contrast, 29 out of the 30 areas with the most graduates voted Remain”, including the City of London, Belfast South, Cambridge, Oxford and Edinburgh, it adds.
Who is right?
Polling data suggests that Sheerman is correct; voters with higher qualifications were more likely to vote to remain in the EU.”
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/89378/fact-check-did-uk-s-better-educated-vote-remain%3famp
“The level of higher education in an area was far more important than age, gender, the number of immigrants, or income in predicting the way an area voted, the researchers found.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-education-higher-university-study-university-leave-eu-remain-voters-educated-a7881441.html
“The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. (The data for this analysis comes from one in nine wards)
The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
Data shows that Leave voters were generally older, and so have more life experience, and the older generation generally make better decisions. I think the phrase you're looking for here is 'older and wiser'.
The only phrase that you can associate with that analysis is utter claptrap
He does seem to have a way of analysing things like I pointed out above. May's deal was a 'Betrayal of Brexit' but it turned out he only meant the backstop part.
Who know's why a guy from the Midlands cares so much about Northern Ireland (Who were mostly in favour of being in the EU)
It's not just about Northern Ireland though is it. The backstop has the potential to keep the whole of the UK in the EU customs union indefinitely with no way to escape from it in its current form. "The Government was asked to Brexit and that is what May negotiated, a Brexit | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?"I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment. "Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please? Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on. So in which post were you lying? | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment. "I've just looked at some more of your posts, you seem really confident that there will be a tech solution at the border. So why is the backstop even an issue for you? it will obviously never be needed. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often......."A bit like his love of May and how she could do no wrong and how we all had to back her after Somerset House and just believe in it. And that no deal was better than a bad deal. Centy about faces so much it makes you dizzy. -Matt | |||
" A bit like his love of May and how she could do no wrong and how we all had to back her after Somerset House and just believe in it. And that no deal was better than a bad deal. Centy about faces so much it makes you dizzy. -Matt" watching centy talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time is sometimes a thing to behold.... you know when he has to go into "bait and switch" mode, he really can't defend anymore...... | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?"I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago. "So it hasn't changed then? | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?"We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago. "So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)' | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago. "Oh on that point : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/06/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-faces-commons-grilling-talks/ | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'"No. Where is the lie in that? | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
Oh on that point :
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/06/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-faces-commons-grilling-talks/"Its as if this whole thread has been specifically choreographed to annoy Centy | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
Oh on that point :
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/06/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-faces-commons-grilling-talks/"Theresa May is always facing commons grilling talks. In other news the sky is blue.  | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that? "You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
Oh on that point :
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/06/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-faces-commons-grilling-talks/
Theresa May is always facing commons grilling talks. In other news the sky is blue. "You haven't clicked on it have you! | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
Oh on that point :
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/06/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-faces-commons-grilling-talks/
Its as if this whole thread has been specifically choreographed to annoy Centy
"Who said I was annoyed? I'm very happy as it happens we're leaving the EU.
It's you remoaners on here who have been annoyed since the country voted Leave in 2016. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
Oh on that point :
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/06/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-faces-commons-grilling-talks/
Its as if this whole thread has been specifically choreographed to annoy Centy
Who said I was annoyed? I'm very happy as it happens we're leaving the EU.
It's you remoaners on here who have been annoyed since the country voted Leave in 2016. "That happy you are going on a March and paying 50 quid to do so. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that? "__________________________________ From Chatham house 16 /11 /2018 What does the draft withdrawal agreement tell us about the proposals for the Irish border and the backstop that would take effect if the transition period (scheduled to last until December 2020) expires without a comprehensive new arrangement? What’s different about this draft agreement is that the backstop is no longer specific to Northern Ireland. Instead, the UK and the EU have agreed to a shared customs territory, with Northern Ireland abiding by more Single Market rules than the rest of the UK (for example on VAT). This is partly because of how deeply embedded its trade is with the Republic of Ireland and because of the need to avoid a hard border. But this backstop acts as an insurance policy; it would only take effect if no other solution is found before the end of the transition period. This is criticized by some in the UK because it still subjects Northern Ireland to a slightly different set of rules to the rest of the UK. Others are afraid that in the absence of an alternative, the UK would be locked into a customs arrangement, which would constrain its ability to strike other trade agreements. But it is a big compromise on the part of the EU. Many did not expect that to happen. Essentially, if the withdrawal agreement goes through and then, during the transition period, an alternative hasn’t been agreed, an arbitration tribunal would come into play and evaluate any disputes that arose around the shared customs territory, including the measures taken to avoid a hard border in Ireland. It’s true that neither side would be able to unilaterally withdraw from such an arrangement, but crucially the arbitration panel would be composed of members from both sides. * * * https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/brexit-negotiations-both-sides-have-now-compromised?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIuv_Os-Dt4AIVZrvtCh0W3gSsEAAYASAAEgJlQvD_BwE# | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change."It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready. "Ok, outline the changes to workers rights and the environment that tipped it for you then and why you were opposed to them in the first place. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready.
Ok, outline the changes to workers rights and the environment that tipped it for you then and why you were opposed to them in the first place."I'm not here as your personal servant. Go and Google it and you'll see the changes. Still waiting for that apology..... | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready. "Just on top of the Telegraph article: from politicshome: "Ministers are returning to Britain having failed to secure a backstop breakthrough during Brexit talks with the European Union." | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready.
Ok, outline the changes to workers rights and the environment that tipped it for you then and why you were opposed to them in the first place.
I'm not here as your personal servant. Go and Google it and you'll see the changes. Still waiting for that apology....."Google won't tell me why you saw them as a betrayal then and acceptable now though will it! | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready.
Just on top of the Telegraph article:
from politicshome:
"Ministers are returning to Britain having failed to secure a backstop breakthrough during Brexit talks with the European Union.""I already knew that as I saw it on the Express online this morning. The talks will still be ongoing with the EU until March 29th though. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready.
Ok, outline the changes to workers rights and the environment that tipped it for you then and why you were opposed to them in the first place."Negations are all about give and take and if the pm is saying that the uk parliament will have the right to vote in the commons on any changes to eu workers rights to get more labour mps to vote for the deal i would say thats a good compromise and everyone wins.That is what negotiations are all about. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready.
Ok, outline the changes to workers rights and the environment that tipped it for you then and why you were opposed to them in the first place.Negations are all about give and take and if the pm is saying that the uk parliament will have the right to vote in the commons on any changes to eu workers rights to get more labour mps to vote for the deal i would say thats a good compromise and everyone wins.That is what negotiations are all about."Are you Centaur? | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready.
Ok, outline the changes to workers rights and the environment that tipped it for you then and why you were opposed to them in the first place.
I'm not here as your personal servant. Go and Google it and you'll see the changes. Still waiting for that apology.....
Google won't tell me why you saw them as a betrayal then and acceptable now though will it!
You were suggesting earlier there were no changes to Theresa May's deal. I've shown there have been changes. Still waiting for that apology. ......."No, I said you made a duplicitous statement and therefore contradicted yourself. I'm still waiting for these changes and why they are acceptable. If you can reference them I'll also be more inclined to believe you. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready.
Ok, outline the changes to workers rights and the environment that tipped it for you then and why you were opposed to them in the first place.Negations are all about give and take and if the pm is saying that the uk parliament will have the right to vote in the commons on any changes to eu workers rights to get more labour mps to vote for the deal i would say thats a good compromise and everyone wins.That is what negotiations are all about.
Bitter remoaners can't seem to get that into their thick heads though. "No, Once again I want you to list what they are and why you now find them acceptable. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready.
Ok, outline the changes to workers rights and the environment that tipped it for you then and why you were opposed to them in the first place.
I'm not here as your personal servant. Go and Google it and you'll see the changes. Still waiting for that apology.....
Google won't tell me why you saw them as a betrayal then and acceptable now though will it!
You were suggesting earlier there were no changes to Theresa May's deal. I've shown there have been changes. Still waiting for that apology. .......
No, I said you made a duplicitous statement and therefore contradicted yourself.
I'm still waiting for these changes and why they are acceptable. If you can reference them I'll also be more inclined to believe you."I didn't make a duplicitous statement or contradict myself though. I said Theresa May's deal had changed (and it has on environmental and workers rights). I said I hoped Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox would make changes to the backstop and they are still currently trying to do that. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready.
Ok, outline the changes to workers rights and the environment that tipped it for you then and why you were opposed to them in the first place.Negations are all about give and take and if the pm is saying that the uk parliament will have the right to vote in the commons on any changes to eu workers rights to get more labour mps to vote for the deal i would say thats a good compromise and everyone wins.That is what negotiations are all about.
Bitter remoaners can't seem to get that into their thick heads though.
No, Once again I want you to list what they are and why you now find them acceptable."As I said I'm not your servant. Don't be so lazy. Just go and Google them. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready.
Ok, outline the changes to workers rights and the environment that tipped it for you then and why you were opposed to them in the first place.Negations are all about give and take and if the pm is saying that the uk parliament will have the right to vote in the commons on any changes to eu workers rights to get more labour mps to vote for the deal i would say thats a good compromise and everyone wins.That is what negotiations are all about.
Bitter remoaners can't seem to get that into their thick heads though.
No, Once again I want you to list what they are and why you now find them acceptable.
As I said I'm not your servant. Don't be so lazy. Just go and Google them. "I need to know why you found them a betrayal then and acceptable now though, also can't really find that much, not that the actual EU have agreed to. I suspect you can't answer this. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready.
Ok, outline the changes to workers rights and the environment that tipped it for you then and why you were opposed to them in the first place.Negations are all about give and take and if the pm is saying that the uk parliament will have the right to vote in the commons on any changes to eu workers rights to get more labour mps to vote for the deal i would say thats a good compromise and everyone wins.That is what negotiations are all about.
Bitter remoaners can't seem to get that into their thick heads though.
No, Once again I want you to list what they are and why you now find them acceptable.
As I said I'm not your servant. Don't be so lazy. Just go and Google them.
I need to know why you found them a betrayal then and acceptable now though, also can't really find that much, not that the actual EU have agreed to.
I suspect you can't answer this. "You can suspect all you like. It's a fact Theresa May has had to change her deal on environmental and workers rights to get additional support in Parliament. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready.
Ok, outline the changes to workers rights and the environment that tipped it for you then and why you were opposed to them in the first place.Negations are all about give and take and if the pm is saying that the uk parliament will have the right to vote in the commons on any changes to eu workers rights to get more labour mps to vote for the deal i would say thats a good compromise and everyone wins.That is what negotiations are all about.
Bitter remoaners can't seem to get that into their thick heads though.
No, Once again I want you to list what they are and why you now find them acceptable.
As I said I'm not your servant. Don't be so lazy. Just go and Google them.
I need to know why you found them a betrayal then and acceptable now though, also can't really find that much, not that the actual EU have agreed to.
I suspect you can't answer this.
You can suspect all you like. It's a fact Theresa May has had to change her deal on environmental and workers rights to get additional support in Parliament. "So what was it about those two things that betrayed Brexit in your eyes? | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready.
Ok, outline the changes to workers rights and the environment that tipped it for you then and why you were opposed to them in the first place.Negations are all about give and take and if the pm is saying that the uk parliament will have the right to vote in the commons on any changes to eu workers rights to get more labour mps to vote for the deal i would say thats a good compromise and everyone wins.That is what negotiations are all about.
Bitter remoaners can't seem to get that into their thick heads though.
No, Once again I want you to list what they are and why you now find them acceptable.
As I said I'm not your servant. Don't be so lazy. Just go and Google them.
I need to know why you found them a betrayal then and acceptable now though, also can't really find that much, not that the actual EU have agreed to.
I suspect you can't answer this.
You can suspect all you like. It's a fact Theresa May has had to change her deal on environmental and workers rights to get additional support in Parliament.
So what was it about those two things that betrayed Brexit in your eyes? "Who said it was one or 2 particular issues? It was a whole combination of different things, including the backstop as well. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready.
Ok, outline the changes to workers rights and the environment that tipped it for you then and why you were opposed to them in the first place.Negations are all about give and take and if the pm is saying that the uk parliament will have the right to vote in the commons on any changes to eu workers rights to get more labour mps to vote for the deal i would say thats a good compromise and everyone wins.That is what negotiations are all about.
Bitter remoaners can't seem to get that into their thick heads though.
No, Once again I want you to list what they are and why you now find them acceptable.
As I said I'm not your servant. Don't be so lazy. Just go and Google them.
I need to know why you found them a betrayal then and acceptable now though, also can't really find that much, not that the actual EU have agreed to.
I suspect you can't answer this.
You can suspect all you like. It's a fact Theresa May has had to change her deal on environmental and workers rights to get additional support in Parliament.
So what was it about those two things that betrayed Brexit in your eyes?
Who said it was one or 2 particular issues? It was a whole combination of different things, including the backstop as well. "OK, we are getting somewhere: how have the changes won you over then? Must be fairly major change? | |||
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"I think Jeremy Corbyn knocked on his door discussesd the reasons & Centy said . " Cant argue with that Jezza "Jeremy Corbyn would get another egg smashed on his head if he ever knocked on my door. Backing another referendum now that is the real betrayal of brexit by the Labour party. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready.
Ok, outline the changes to workers rights and the environment that tipped it for you then and why you were opposed to them in the first place.Negations are all about give and take and if the pm is saying that the uk parliament will have the right to vote in the commons on any changes to eu workers rights to get more labour mps to vote for the deal i would say thats a good compromise and everyone wins.That is what negotiations are all about.
Bitter remoaners can't seem to get that into their thick heads though.
No, Once again I want you to list what they are and why you now find them acceptable.
As I said I'm not your servant. Don't be so lazy. Just go and Google them.
I need to know why you found them a betrayal then and acceptable now though, also can't really find that much, not that the actual EU have agreed to.
I suspect you can't answer this.
You can suspect all you like. It's a fact Theresa May has had to change her deal on environmental and workers rights to get additional support in Parliament.
So what was it about those two things that betrayed Brexit in your eyes?
Who said it was one or 2 particular issues? It was a whole combination of different things, including the backstop as well.
OK, we are getting somewhere: how have the changes won you over then?
Must be fairly major change? "Proposed legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the UK a unilateral way of leaving the backstop without the EU's permission which are currently on going. Also changes on environmental and workers rights which have already happened, which earlier in the thread you didn't seem to think had happened as you called me a liar when I said the deal had changed. Still waiting for that apology by the way...... | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are.
Funny, I just typed in chequers into the forum search and a guy with your name and profile picture put this on a thread named chequers meeting:
"Inclined to agree with you. Theresa May has started the great betrayal of Brexit with this move, she may have managed to get the cabinet on board but getting the rest of the party on board is a different matter entirely. "
Have you been hacked? A lot has changed in 35 weeks hasn't it?
Yes a lot has changed since chequers, if you're able to follow time line of events then maybe try looking at some more recent threads, certainly more recent than 35 weeks ago.
The deal is basically the same, You are the one that has changed.
Ever felt like you've been conned?
Have you read all the comments on this thread? If so then you'll have seen my comments earlier saying I didn't support Theresa Mays deal as it stood when she lost the meaningful vote in January. The backstop is the main issue and If she can get legally binding changes to the backstop I'd be reasonably happy with it.
Right, so it was a betrayal because of the backstop. Not sure I believe you on this.
To be honest I'm not really concerned if some random with a blank profile on an Internet swingers forum believes me or not.
Well you replied twice so you obviously are.
So when you say, 'No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. '
How does that reconcile with this?
That you wrote 16 weeks ago:
"I'd prefer a hard no deal brexit compared to Theresa May's Chequers plan. At least a hard no deal brexit would deliver what the Leave campaign promised on which is an end to free movement of people, we immediately leave the single market and the customs union and are immediately free to do our own trade deals. We also save £40 billion on a pointless divorce bill. We immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice and reclaim our full sovereignty. We also make savings of around £13 billion a year as we no longer pay an EU membership fee. There may be some short term disruption to it but I don't think it will be anywhere as bad as the over the top scaremongering remoaners put about and in the long term we'll be better off with a complete clean break now. This is why I hope Theresa May's plan will be voted down in parliament and we can exit with no deal in March. "
Seems you've changed again. Feel like you've been conned?
I've not changed, it's Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop) do you really not get that? Yes I would be happy with a no deal Brexit and still stand by that. I'd also now be reasonably happy with Theresa May's deal with legally binding changes to the backstop which would be a big change compared to how her deal looked 16 weeks ago when I made that comment.
Haha, you can't even decided if it has changed. Could you outline the changes to the deal that have made it acceptable to you please?
Also you seemed imply that May's deal didn't deliver on many of the things you listed No deal would then listed most of them yesterday in what May's deal does deliver on.
So in which post were you lying?
I wasn't lying in any post. What do you mean I can't decide if it's changed? Theresa May and attorney general Geoffrey Cox are currently in negotiations trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So it hasn't changed then?
We won't know until the negotiations are concluded. As I said Theresa May and Attorney general Geoffrey Cox are trying to get the backstop changed as we speak. It's an ongoing changing situation. Time didn't stand still 16 weeks ago.
So you lied when you said 'Theresa May's deal which has changed, or needs to be changed (the backstop)'
No. Where is the lie in that?
You say it HAS changed, the contradict saying it need to change.
It has changed from 16 weeks ago in other areas, such as new measures on environmental and workers rights. The backstop isn't the ONLY area of the deal. While those other things HAVE changed Theresa May and Geoffrey Cox are currently trying to change the backstop in addition to those other things which have already been changed. You can apologise for calling me a liar when you feel ready.
Ok, outline the changes to workers rights and the environment that tipped it for you then and why you were opposed to them in the first place.Negations are all about give and take and if the pm is saying that the uk parliament will have the right to vote in the commons on any changes to eu workers rights to get more labour mps to vote for the deal i would say thats a good compromise and everyone wins.That is what negotiations are all about.
Bitter remoaners can't seem to get that into their thick heads though.
No, Once again I want you to list what they are and why you now find them acceptable.
As I said I'm not your servant. Don't be so lazy. Just go and Google them.
I need to know why you found them a betrayal then and acceptable now though, also can't really find that much, not that the actual EU have agreed to.
I suspect you can't answer this.
You can suspect all you like. It's a fact Theresa May has had to change her deal on environmental and workers rights to get additional support in Parliament.
So what was it about those two things that betrayed Brexit in your eyes?
Who said it was one or 2 particular issues? It was a whole combination of different things, including the backstop as well.
OK, we are getting somewhere: how have the changes won you over then?
Must be fairly major change?
Proposed legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the UK a unilateral way of leaving the backstop without the EU's permission which are currently on going. Also changes on environmental and workers rights which have already happened, which earlier in the thread you didn't seem to think had happened as you called me a liar when I said the deal had changed. Still waiting for that apology by the way......
"Ok, we are not getting anywhere I did not ask about the backstop, I asked about the changes regarding the environment and workers rights (those two things)that you also didn't like when you described the deal as a betrayal. I won't apologise either as you are clearly lying that May's deal is satisfactory to you. | |||
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"Yes, I remember reading somewhere that the supply chain for minis is so complex that parts and assemblies enter and leave the UK several times before the finished vehicle rolls off the line. The above post should not be ignored. I believe the engine is moved from one country to another and back again and maybe even the assembled car. Why is this? How are the cars moved? On trains? Has anybody any input on this? Is it for tax reasons? For VAT reasons? " | |||
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"Empty threats, empty threats everywhere. Move production = Higher vehicle cost required to recoup losses, slower sales due to higher prices, company losses money. EU tax UK built = Higher vehicle cost required to recoup losses, slower sales due to higher prices, company losses money. Corporate interfere with the politics of a country is wrong, they need to stop and shut the fuck up." These companies have no interest in interfering in the politics of this country. They are merely making long term decisions to maximize the profitability of their company. You equate moving with staying because both cost money. Perfectly true. However instead of making a snap emotional judgement, these companies will have spent the last couple of years making detailed financial projections to help steer their course of action. Without having any sight of, in this case BMW's, financial modeling the simple two case scenario you give resolves as follows: (a) Move production = immediate up front cost, but partially offset by the fact that every few years as car models change there has to be a spend on new machinery etc. Ongoing however there is a reduced cost per vehicle manufactured = eventual return on investment. (b) Stay in the UK = no up front cost, but increased cost per vehicle manufactured = long term reduced profitability. The decision then just requires drawing two lines on a graph, one that starts high and goes downward, one that starts low and goes upward, and looking where the crossover point occurs. I'm certain that in the 3 to 5 year lifetime of a government it would be cheaper to stay. But in the minimum 10 year projections of a company like BMW it will be cheaper to go. They have no intention of influencing our government, they are just coldly telling what their chosen course of action will be under a variety of economic conditions. | |||
"Production of the Mini to be stopped if Brexit happens ? Dont tell me leavers , its Corbyns fault.
I forgot the question mark.
But here you go .
" Car giants Toyota and BMW have both warned a no-deal Brexit threatens the production of their cars in the UK.
BMW told Sky News it could consider moving production of its Mini from the UK in a no-deal scenario".
So BMW are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal then. I'd say it's a blatant attempt by BMW to pressure MP's into voting for May's deal.
good god i wish you would get your toyota views all lined up... a couple of weeks ago you hated them! then you loved them for saying they would invest.... now you hate them again!
then you were loving toyotas stance of the investment... then it was pointed out that toyota support TM's deal, and hate a no deal brexit...
you hate TM's deal... and want a hard no deal brexit...
so dude... do you just get a massive migrain having to change your position so often.......
Thats funny Fabio, i've just looked back through this thread and i can't see Toyota being mentioned? In fact you are the first one on the thread to bring Toyota up, so drop the bullshit.
I've never said i hated Toyota anywhere on this forum at any time, if you think i have then please provide a link. I have in fact owned a Toyota in the past and they are very good cars, much better than the BMW i had which broke down several times over a 4 year period. What i did do was post a thread a few weeks ago about Toyota investing in Britain and building the new model Corolla at its Derbyshire factory. That is happening now, production of the new Corolla started in Derbyshire in mid January!
Toyota have said they would prefer a Brexit deal, rather than no deal. So Toyota are happy for Brexit to happen with a deal.
I said i would prefer a no deal compared to Theresa Mays deal as Theresa May's deal stood when it lost in the House of Commons by a historic margin.
However if you've been keeping up on current events then Theresa May is attempting to get changes to her deal (specifically the backstop) which would command a majority in Parliament as proven with the vote on the Brady ammendment. I'd be reasonably happy with May's deal if it had legally binding changes to the backstop which would either give an end date to the backstop or give the uk a unilateral way of getting out of the backstop without the EU's permission. We shall see if Theresa May can bring those changes back from Brussels before the meaningful vote.
Brexit with a deal is not BREXIT
ITS SOFT REMAIN.
No it isn't. Soft remain would be a Norway/Swiss type deal. Theresa May's deal takes the Uk out of the single market and out of the customs unions. It ends free movement. It also takes us out of the Common agricultural policy and the common fisheries policy. It also ends payments of the UK's annual EU membership fee. Besides Theresa May's deal is only the Withdrawal agreement. Its not even the final deal. Thats why the "future declaration" is added onto the end of May's deal as it gives a guideline for the shape of the next stage of negotiations which would happen during the transition period. For many remainers who claim their side is more highly educated it really is astonishing how utterly clueless some remainers are. "And yet, when TM triggered atricle 50 we were told that both the withdrawal agreement and future relationship would be dealt with before the 29th March and that nothing was agreed until everything was agreed. | |||
