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"Just what the world needs more hate marches." Leave means leave has nothing to do with hate,you have a very warped mind. | |||
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"Just what the world needs more hate marches.Leave means leave has nothing to do with hate,you have a very warped mind." Peter Bone, Nigel Farage, Simon Heffer, David Campbell Bannerman. All senior members of Leave means Leave. | |||
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. " No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me.  | |||
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"Just what the world needs more hate marches.Leave means leave has nothing to do with hate,you have a very warped mind." It's pretty clear who the haters are on this thread and it's not Brexiters. | |||
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me. "I would also add that people can apply to be sponsored if they want to march for more than a day but can't afford the £50 fee. Many Leave means Leave supporters who can't take part in the march but still want to contribute are donating to sponsor other marchers and pay their fees for them. | |||
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"Just what the world needs more hate marches.Leave means leave has nothing to do with hate,you have a very warped mind. Peter Bone, Nigel Farage, Simon Heffer, David Campbell Bannerman. All senior members of Leave means Leave." So are Labour MP's like Kate Hoey and Graham Stringer. Leave means Leave has a broad support base. | |||
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"Just what the world needs more hate marches.Leave means leave has nothing to do with hate,you have a very warped mind. Peter Bone, Nigel Farage, Simon Heffer, David Campbell Bannerman. All senior members of Leave means Leave. So are Labour MP's like Kate Hoey and Graham Stringer. Leave means Leave has a broad support base. " I hope they all have a jolly good time | |||
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me.
I would also add that people can apply to be sponsored if they want to march for more than a day but can't afford the £50 fee. Many Leave means Leave supporters who can't take part in the march but still want to contribute are donating to sponsor other marchers and pay their fees for them. "Ah no elites other than the leaders then?  | |||
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"Do the far right have to bring their own swastika flags and burning torches or will they be provided... "I assume the provided hats, gloves, t-shirts etc are branded appropriately | |||
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"Do the far right have to bring their own swastika flags and burning torches or will they be provided...
I assume the provided hats, gloves, t-shirts etc are branded appropriately "I imagine they'll be branded with the Leave means Leave logo, as you'd expect on a Leave means Leave march. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position. "Oh the irony. Haha | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position. "The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days. | |||
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"Do the far right have to bring their own swastika flags and burning torches or will they be provided...
I assume the provided hats, gloves, t-shirts etc are branded appropriately
I imagine they'll be branded with the Leave means Leave logo, as you'd expect on a Leave means Leave march. "Indeed. | |||
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me. "They’ll be selling the leave kits on eBay this coming Halloween. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days. "However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
"Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised. "Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal. "Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal. "Do you think the March Should Be looking to put pressure on MPs to vote against May? Or vote for May since it not only is the governments position but meets the aims of the march to deliver brexit in March. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Do you think the March Should Be looking to put pressure on MPs to vote against May? Or vote for May since it not only is the governments position but meets the aims of the march to deliver brexit in March."The only pressure i see it should be putting on MP's is to ensure we leave (either with a deal or without a deal) on 29th March as promised. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised. "here here | |||
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me.
They’ll be selling the leave kits on eBay this coming Halloween.
"some people really do need to get a life on here. | |||
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me.
They’ll be selling the leave kits on eBay this coming Halloween.
some people really do need to get a life on here. "Have they had the t shirts made in the UK? | |||
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me.
They’ll be selling the leave kits on eBay this coming Halloween.
some people really do need to get a life on here.
Have they had the t shirts made in the UK?"They're most likely Golden t-shirts that are manufactured in central America. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal. "Why? What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other? | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
"Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave. | |||
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" a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, Are any of them made in the UK? Come on Centy, you must be on top of this..." Come on Centy... | |||
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me.
They’ll be selling the leave kits on eBay this coming Halloween.
some people really do need to get a life on here.
Have they had the t shirts made in the UK?
They're most likely Golden t-shirts that are manufactured in central America. "Central America would probably be better quality than made in France or Germany. | |||
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me.
They’ll be selling the leave kits on eBay this coming Halloween.
some people really do need to get a life on here.
Have they had the t shirts made in the UK?
They're most likely Golden t-shirts that are manufactured in central America.
Central America would probably be better quality than made in France or Germany. "Why not from the UK!? | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave."Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless? | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
"Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal. "Any item produced in the UK? | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal. "Betrayal to whom? This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Any item produced in the UK?"What was it you were saying on the other thread just now about being petty? Seems extremely petty on your part if all you're concerned about is where a t-shirt or a rain coat is made. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless."Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Any item produced in the UK?
What was it you were saying on the other thread just now about being petty? Seems extremely petty on your part if all you're concerned about is where a t-shirt or a rain coat is made. "You should be a politician, your skills at avoiding questions are becoming legendry. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave. "What a silly thing to say, even by your own poor standards. No where on the ballot did it mention a specific date to leave. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave. "But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million. Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
What a silly thing to say, even by your own poor standards.
No where on the ballot did it mention a specific date to leave. "It didn't say on the ballot but it does say in the EU treaties that article 50 is a period of 2 years. It will be 2 years exactly since we triggered article 50 on March 29th this month. It's also enshrined in UK law in the EU withdrawal bill that we will leave the EU on March 29th. Theresa May has said/promised over 100 times in Parliament that we will leave the EU on the 29th March. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
What a silly thing to say, even by your own poor standards.
No where on the ballot did it mention a specific date to leave.
It didn't say on the ballot but it does say in the EU treaties that article 50 is a period of 2 years. It will be 2 years exactly since we triggered article 50 on March 29th this month. It's also enshrined in UK law in the EU withdrawal bill that we will leave the EU on March 29th. Theresa May has said/promised over 100 times in Parliament that we will leave the EU on the 29th March. "* * * * * * * * * The court in Luxembourg delighted remain campaigners by issuing an emergency ruling on Monday morning that, under EU law, the UK was able to unilaterally halt the article 50 process – fuelling renewed calls for a second referendum. It can be stopped . She has already told you she wants a delay , once the 29th comes & goes , Brexiteer poppets will just have to get use to looking under carpets for brexit . Thatll be where it was swept | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
What a silly thing to say, even by your own poor standards.
No where on the ballot did it mention a specific date to leave.
It didn't say on the ballot but it does say in the EU treaties that article 50 is a period of 2 years. It will be 2 years exactly since we triggered article 50 on March 29th this month. It's also enshrined in UK law in the EU withdrawal bill that we will leave the EU on March 29th. Theresa May has said/promised over 100 times in Parliament that we will leave the EU on the 29th March. "But, as you point out, leaving on 29 March was not on the ballot paper and no one who voted for Leave in June 2016 could have known that May was going to set 29 March 2019 as the leave date, not least because, at the time, no one knew it would even be her who decided. So how is not doing something (leaving on 29 March 2019) that no one ever said they would do prior to the vote a betrayal of those that voted? | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
What a silly thing to say, even by your own poor standards.
No where on the ballot did it mention a specific date to leave.
It didn't say on the ballot but it does say in the EU treaties that article 50 is a period of 2 years. It will be 2 years exactly since we triggered article 50 on March 29th this month. It's also enshrined in UK law in the EU withdrawal bill that we will leave the EU on March 29th. Theresa May has said/promised over 100 times in Parliament that we will leave the EU on the 29th March.
But, as you point out, leaving on 29 March was not on the ballot paper and no one who voted for Leave in June 2016 could have known that May was going to set 29 March 2019 as the leave date, not least because, at the time, no one knew it would even be her who decided. So how is not doing something (leaving on 29 March 2019) that no one ever said they would do prior to the vote a betrayal of those that voted?
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"Just what the world needs more hate marches.Leave means leave has nothing to do with hate,you have a very warped mind." I’m sorry I get leave means leave and leave.eu mixed up... were they the ones with the poster of the Syrian refugees... or were they the ones with the lie on the side of the bus and telling us that turkey would be joining and millions of them would come here.... Thanking in advance..... | |||
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"Just what the world needs more hate marches.Leave means leave has nothing to do with hate,you have a very warped mind. I’m sorry I get leave means leave and leave.eu mixed up... were they the ones with the poster of the Syrian refugees... or were they the ones with the lie on the side of the bus and telling us that turkey would be joining and millions of them would come here.... Thanking in advance....." Neither. Leave means Leave was set up by Former director general of the British Chambers of Commerce John Longworth and Leave campaigner Richard Time after the referendum vote in 2016. Leave means Leave did not exist before the referendum. John Longworth and Richard Tice anticipated there would be a betrayal of Brexit so that is why they set the campaign up to begin with. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
They want to leave no matter what on the 29th March so they can wake up the next day and look in the mirror at the April fool they are. "What a stupid comment, as there are 31 days in March. So the next day after the 29th with be the 30th March.  | |||
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"well i hope we have a repeat of the beast from tbe east from 15th of march onwards enjoy "
That would be amusing to watch.
There was a Britain First or EDL (I forget which), March in Bristol a couple of years back. The 20 or so thugs that showed up got rained on, went and abused some taxi drivers then when home.
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" The 20 or so thugs that showed up got rained on, went and abused some taxi drivers then when home. A repeat of this scenario would be funny." Taxi drivers getting abused was funny to you, says quite a bit does it not  | |||
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" The 20 or so thugs that showed up got rained on, went and abused some taxi drivers then when home. A repeat of this scenario would be funny. Taxi drivers getting abused was funny to you, says quite a bit does it not "No that wasn’t funny. The funny part was the bigots melting in the rain, getting angry and going home. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
They want to leave no matter what on the 29th March so they can wake up the next day and look in the mirror at the April fool they are.
What a stupid comment, as there are 31 days in March. So the next day after the 29th with be the 30th March. "Sorry, you’re right of course. I make mistakes from time to time, but I don’t mind admitting it. | |||
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"Just what the world needs more hate marches.Leave means leave has nothing to do with hate,you have a very warped mind. I’m sorry I get leave means leave and leave.eu mixed up... were they the ones with the poster of the Syrian refugees... or were they the ones with the lie on the side of the bus and telling us that turkey would be joining and millions of them would come here.... Thanking in advance..... Neither. Leave means Leave was set up by Former director general of the British Chambers of Commerce John Longworth and Leave campaigner Richard Time after the referendum vote in 2016. Leave means Leave did not exist before the referendum. John Longworth and Richard Tice anticipated there would be a betrayal of Brexit so that is why they set the campaign up to begin with. " actually not quite true.... the organisation grew out of the Vote Leave campaign so the one repsonsible for the big bus lie and the "turks are coming to take over" smear....... | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
They want to leave no matter what on the 29th March so they can wake up the next day and look in the mirror at the April fool they are.
What a stupid comment, as there are 31 days in March. So the next day after the 29th with be the 30th March.
Sorry, you’re right of course. I make mistakes from time to time, but I don’t mind admitting it. "It doesn't say a lot for your investigative skills when you don't realise than April fools day doesn't come after the 29th of March, but you expect people to believe your fantasy theory that the Americans where behind the leave victory in the referendum! | |||
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" The 20 or so thugs that showed up got rained on, went and abused some taxi drivers then when home. A repeat of this scenario would be funny. Taxi drivers getting abused was funny to you, says quite a bit does it not
No that wasn’t funny. The funny part was the bigots melting in the rain, getting angry and going home."Was it acid rain! | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
They want to leave no matter what on the 29th March so they can wake up the next day and look in the mirror at the April fool they are.
What a stupid comment, as there are 31 days in March. So the next day after the 29th with be the 30th March.
Sorry, you’re right of course. I make mistakes from time to time, but I don’t mind admitting it.
It doesn't say a lot for your investigative skills when you don't realise than April fools day doesn't come after the 29th of March, but you expect people to believe your fantasy theory that the Americans where behind the leave victory in the referendum! "I was tired last night and I am only human and make mistakes - but I can admit them. As it happens you’ll have to wait out the weekend. But in terms of my “investigative skills” - the first post of mine you personally disputed was a quote from the world’s foremost political expert on the WTO and a link to a video from Chris Whylie - one of the Cambridge Analytica whistleblowers. You didn’t watch that video did you. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
They want to leave no matter what on the 29th March so they can wake up the next day and look in the mirror at the April fool they are.
What a stupid comment, as there are 31 days in March. So the next day after the 29th with be the 30th March.
Sorry, you’re right of course. I make mistakes from time to time, but I don’t mind admitting it.
It doesn't say a lot for your investigative skills when you don't realise than April fools day doesn't come after the 29th of March, but you expect people to believe your fantasy theory that the Americans where behind the leave victory in the referendum!
I was tired last night and I am only human and make mistakes - but I can admit them. As it happens you’ll have to wait out the weekend.
But in terms of my “investigative skills” - the first post of mine you personally disputed was a quote from the world’s foremost political expert on the WTO and a link to a video from Chris Whylie - one of the Cambridge Analytica whistleblowers.
You didn’t watch that video did you.
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
They want to leave no matter what on the 29th March so they can wake up the next day and look in the mirror at the April fool they are.
What a stupid comment, as there are 31 days in March. So the next day after the 29th with be the 30th March.
Sorry, you’re right of course. I make mistakes from time to time, but I don’t mind admitting it.
It doesn't say a lot for your investigative skills when you don't realise than April fools day doesn't come after the 29th of March, but you expect people to believe your fantasy theory that the Americans where behind the leave victory in the referendum!
I was tired last night and I am only human and make mistakes - but I can admit them. As it happens you’ll have to wait out the weekend.
But in terms of my “investigative skills” - the first post of mine you personally disputed was a quote from the world’s foremost political expert on the WTO and a link to a video from Chris Whylie - one of the Cambridge Analytica whistleblowers.
You didn’t watch that video did you.
No,you might have 3 hours of your life to waste but I haven't, time better spent with your family you are so worried about "You see if you’d watched it, you’d know it was 3 hours invested - but this is the price you pay for wilful ignorance. You don’t look after your family by sticking your head up your arse. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
They want to leave no matter what on the 29th March so they can wake up the next day and look in the mirror at the April fool they are.
What a stupid comment, as there are 31 days in March. So the next day after the 29th with be the 30th March.
Sorry, you’re right of course. I make mistakes from time to time, but I don’t mind admitting it.
It doesn't say a lot for your investigative skills when you don't realise than April fools day doesn't come after the 29th of March, but you expect people to believe your fantasy theory that the Americans where behind the leave victory in the referendum!
I was tired last night and I am only human and make mistakes - but I can admit them. As it happens you’ll have to wait out the weekend.
But in terms of my “investigative skills” - the first post of mine you personally disputed was a quote from the world’s foremost political expert on the WTO and a link to a video from Chris Whylie - one of the Cambridge Analytica whistleblowers.
You didn’t watch that video did you.
No,you might have 3 hours of your life to waste but I haven't, time better spent with your family you are so worried about
You see if you’d watched it, you’d know it was 3 hours invested - but this is the price you pay for wilful ignorance. You don’t look after your family by sticking your head up your arse. "Totally agree, best get someone to pull it out for you!Lol | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
They want to leave no matter what on the 29th March so they can wake up the next day and look in the mirror at the April fool they are.
What a stupid comment, as there are 31 days in March. So the next day after the 29th with be the 30th March.
Sorry, you’re right of course. I make mistakes from time to time, but I don’t mind admitting it.
It doesn't say a lot for your investigative skills when you don't realise than April fools day doesn't come after the 29th of March, but you expect people to believe your fantasy theory that the Americans where behind the leave victory in the referendum!
I was tired last night and I am only human and make mistakes - but I can admit them. As it happens you’ll have to wait out the weekend.
But in terms of my “investigative skills” - the first post of mine you personally disputed was a quote from the world’s foremost political expert on the WTO and a link to a video from Chris Whylie - one of the Cambridge Analytica whistleblowers.
You didn’t watch that video did you.
No,you might have 3 hours of your life to waste but I haven't, time better spent with your family you are so worried about
You see if you’d watched it, you’d know it was 3 hours invested - but this is the price you pay for wilful ignorance. You don’t look after your family by sticking your head up your arse.
Totally agree, best get someone to pull it out for you!Lol "Well you’re just a barrel of laughs aren’t you. But considering your previous post - that you’d prefer to stay ignorant, it doesn’t make much sense what you’ve just said does it. You’re telling people they are wrong and in the same breath admitting you can’t be bothered to learn the facts. Says it all really doesn’t it, | |||
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"I saw something on Facespace that made me chuckle. When we shortly leave the EU, in order for an unhappy Remainer to feel less bereft, they should find an EU penpal. Every month they should send that penpal £100. The penpal should then send £60 back. Save the £60 each month until you have enough to buy a park bench to place in a nice sunny spot and place a placard on it stating "Funded by the EU" so the benefits of friendship may be enjoyed. Looking forward to the torrent of abuse..... " | |||
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"I saw something on Facespace that made me chuckle. When we shortly leave the EU, in order for an unhappy Remainer to feel less bereft, they should find an EU penpal. Every month they should send that penpal £100. The penpal should then send £60 back. Save the £60 each month until you have enough to buy a park bench to place in a nice sunny spot and place a placard on it stating "Funded by the EU" so the benefits of friendship may be enjoyed. Looking forward to the torrent of abuse..... "I think this misunderstanding about the EU is a fantastic example of why we shouldn't have had a referendum in the first place. No abuse here, this kind of ignorance seems commonplace and is partly to blame for the mess we find ourselves in now. The fault also lies with the misinformation campaign by the likes of the ERG, The Daily Mail, sponsored by other interested parties etc. Not everyone has time to look up the big picture and find our the truth of the situation. Again, another reason why there shouldn't have been a referendum. | |||
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"I saw something on Facespace that made me chuckle. When we shortly leave the EU, in order for an unhappy Remainer to feel less bereft, they should find an EU penpal. Every month they should send that penpal £100. The penpal should then send £60 back. Save the £60 each month until you have enough to buy a park bench to place in a nice sunny spot and place a placard on it stating "Funded by the EU" so the benefits of friendship may be enjoyed. Looking forward to the torrent of abuse.....
I think this misunderstanding about the EU is a fantastic example of why we shouldn't have had a referendum in the first place.
No abuse here, this kind of ignorance seems commonplace and is partly to blame for the mess we find ourselves in now.
The fault also lies with the misinformation campaign by the likes of the ERG, The Daily Mail, sponsored by other interested parties etc. Not everyone has time to look up the big picture and find our the truth of the situation. Again, another reason why there shouldn't have been a referendum."There is no misunderstanding or misinformation about that post you quoted, it accurately describes the UK's payments to the EU budget in a humorous way. | |||
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"I saw something on Facespace that made me chuckle. When we shortly leave the EU, in order for an unhappy Remainer to feel less bereft, they should find an EU penpal. Every month they should send that penpal £100. The penpal should then send £60 back. Save the £60 each month until you have enough to buy a park bench to place in a nice sunny spot and place a placard on it stating "Funded by the EU" so the benefits of friendship may be enjoyed. Looking forward to the torrent of abuse.....
I think this misunderstanding about the EU is a fantastic example of why we shouldn't have had a referendum in the first place.
No abuse here, this kind of ignorance seems commonplace and is partly to blame for the mess we find ourselves in now.
The fault also lies with the misinformation campaign by the likes of the ERG, The Daily Mail, sponsored by other interested parties etc. Not everyone has time to look up the big picture and find our the truth of the situation. Again, another reason why there shouldn't have been a referendum.
There is no misunderstanding or misinformation about that post you quoted, it accurately describes the UK's payments to the EU budget in a humorous way. "I have no doubt that you genuinely believe it. Yet more evidence against having referendum on such matters. | |||
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"I saw something on Facespace that made me chuckle. When we shortly leave the EU, in order for an unhappy Remainer to feel less bereft, they should find an EU penpal. Every month they should send that penpal £100. The penpal should then send £60 back. Save the £60 each month until you have enough to buy a park bench to place in a nice sunny spot and place a placard on it stating "Funded by the EU" so the benefits of friendship may be enjoyed. Looking forward to the torrent of abuse.....
I think this misunderstanding about the EU is a fantastic example of why we shouldn't have had a referendum in the first place.
No abuse here, this kind of ignorance seems commonplace and is partly to blame for the mess we find ourselves in now.
The fault also lies with the misinformation campaign by the likes of the ERG, The Daily Mail, sponsored by other interested parties etc. Not everyone has time to look up the big picture and find our the truth of the situation. Again, another reason why there shouldn't have been a referendum.
There is no misunderstanding or misinformation about that post you quoted, it accurately describes the UK's payments to the EU budget in a humorous way.
I have no doubt that you genuinely believe it. Yet more evidence against having referendum on such matters."On the cliff tops overlooking the Solent down here the plaques on the benches are all in remembrance . I think I might pay for a plaque in memory of a failed brexit.Im sure some brexiters will need a spot to sit weeping ,looking out to sea very soon . | |||
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"I saw something on Facespace that made me chuckle. When we shortly leave the EU, in order for an unhappy Remainer to feel less bereft, they should find an EU penpal. Every month they should send that penpal £100. The penpal should then send £60 back. Save the £60 each month until you have enough to buy a park bench to place in a nice sunny spot and place a placard on it stating "Funded by the EU" so the benefits of friendship may be enjoyed. Looking forward to the torrent of abuse.....
I think this misunderstanding about the EU is a fantastic example of why we shouldn't have had a referendum in the first place.
No abuse here, this kind of ignorance seems commonplace and is partly to blame for the mess we find ourselves in now.
The fault also lies with the misinformation campaign by the likes of the ERG, The Daily Mail, sponsored by other interested parties etc. Not everyone has time to look up the big picture and find our the truth of the situation. Again, another reason why there shouldn't have been a referendum.
There is no misunderstanding or misinformation about that post you quoted, it accurately describes the UK's payments to the EU budget in a humorous way.
I have no doubt that you genuinely believe it. Yet more evidence against having referendum on such matters."He doesn’t believe it, he’s a comedy character, Mr Brexit. | |||
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"I saw something on Facespace that made me chuckle. When we shortly leave the EU, in order for an unhappy Remainer to feel less bereft, they should find an EU penpal. Every month they should send that penpal £100. The penpal should then send £60 back. Save the £60 each month until you have enough to buy a park bench to place in a nice sunny spot and place a placard on it stating "Funded by the EU" so the benefits of friendship may be enjoyed. Looking forward to the torrent of abuse.....
I think this misunderstanding about the EU is a fantastic example of why we shouldn't have had a referendum in the first place.
No abuse here, this kind of ignorance seems commonplace and is partly to blame for the mess we find ourselves in now.
The fault also lies with the misinformation campaign by the likes of the ERG, The Daily Mail, sponsored by other interested parties etc. Not everyone has time to look up the big picture and find our the truth of the situation. Again, another reason why there shouldn't have been a referendum."Completely agree. It was bound to land us in hot water. This is a question really for economists and politicians to answer not the general public. It is why we have elected representatives - because a question of this magnitude and complexity is far beyond the majority’s scope. | |||
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"I saw something on Facespace that made me chuckle. When we shortly leave the EU, in order for an unhappy Remainer to feel less bereft, they should find an EU penpal. Every month they should send that penpal £100. The penpal should then send £60 back. Save the £60 each month until you have enough to buy a park bench to place in a nice sunny spot and place a placard on it stating "Funded by the EU" so the benefits of friendship may be enjoyed. Looking forward to the torrent of abuse.....
I think this misunderstanding about the EU is a fantastic example of why we shouldn't have had a referendum in the first place.
No abuse here, this kind of ignorance seems commonplace and is partly to blame for the mess we find ourselves in now.
The fault also lies with the misinformation campaign by the likes of the ERG, The Daily Mail, sponsored by other interested parties etc. Not everyone has time to look up the big picture and find our the truth of the situation. Again, another reason why there shouldn't have been a referendum.
Completely agree. It was bound to land us in hot water. This is a question really for economists and politicians to answer not the general public. It is why we have elected representatives - because a question of this magnitude and complexity is far beyond the majority’s scope. "Does this apply to the next General Election? .possibly that the general public may not fully understand the consequences of the manifesto that they are voting for and therefore the issue should be left to those perceived as having some form of higher intelligence? I would feel mildly insulted if I thought you were serious. | |||
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"I saw something on Facespace that made me chuckle. When we shortly leave the EU, in order for an unhappy Remainer to feel less bereft, they should find an EU penpal. Every month they should send that penpal £100. The penpal should then send £60 back. Save the £60 each month until you have enough to buy a park bench to place in a nice sunny spot and place a placard on it stating "Funded by the EU" so the benefits of friendship may be enjoyed. Looking forward to the torrent of abuse.....
I think this misunderstanding about the EU is a fantastic example of why we shouldn't have had a referendum in the first place.
No abuse here, this kind of ignorance seems commonplace and is partly to blame for the mess we find ourselves in now.
The fault also lies with the misinformation campaign by the likes of the ERG, The Daily Mail, sponsored by other interested parties etc. Not everyone has time to look up the big picture and find our the truth of the situation. Again, another reason why there shouldn't have been a referendum.
There is no misunderstanding or misinformation about that post you quoted, it accurately describes the UK's payments to the EU budget in a humorous way.
I have no doubt that you genuinely believe it. Yet more evidence against having referendum on such matters.
On the cliff tops overlooking the Solent down here the plaques on the benches are all in remembrance .
I think I might pay for a plaque in memory of a failed brexit.Im sure some brexiters will need a spot to sit weeping ,looking out to sea very soon .
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"I saw something on Facespace that made me chuckle. When we shortly leave the EU, in order for an unhappy Remainer to feel less bereft, they should find an EU penpal. Every month they should send that penpal £100. The penpal should then send £60 back. Save the £60 each month until you have enough to buy a park bench to place in a nice sunny spot and place a placard on it stating "Funded by the EU" so the benefits of friendship may be enjoyed. Looking forward to the torrent of abuse.....
I think this misunderstanding about the EU is a fantastic example of why we shouldn't have had a referendum in the first place.
No abuse here, this kind of ignorance seems commonplace and is partly to blame for the mess we find ourselves in now.
The fault also lies with the misinformation campaign by the likes of the ERG, The Daily Mail, sponsored by other interested parties etc. Not everyone has time to look up the big picture and find our the truth of the situation. Again, another reason why there shouldn't have been a referendum.
Completely agree. It was bound to land us in hot water. This is a question really for economists and politicians to answer not the general public. It is why we have elected representatives - because a question of this magnitude and complexity is far beyond the majority’s scope. "Yep...leave the decisions to the intelligent politicians... The likes of Dianne Abbott, Chris Grayling, Theresa May, the politicians that have given us austerity, voted to invade Iraq, bomb Syria, promised that renationalising everything is perfectly affordable, use the NHS as a political football, and gave us the referendum in the first place.... Those intelligent ones? | |||
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"I saw something on Facespace that made me chuckle. When we shortly leave the EU, in order for an unhappy Remainer to feel less bereft, they should find an EU penpal. Every month they should send that penpal £100. The penpal should then send £60 back. Save the £60 each month until you have enough to buy a park bench to place in a nice sunny spot and place a placard on it stating "Funded by the EU" so the benefits of friendship may be enjoyed. Looking forward to the torrent of abuse.....
I think this misunderstanding about the EU is a fantastic example of why we shouldn't have had a referendum in the first place.
No abuse here, this kind of ignorance seems commonplace and is partly to blame for the mess we find ourselves in now.
The fault also lies with the misinformation campaign by the likes of the ERG, The Daily Mail, sponsored by other interested parties etc. Not everyone has time to look up the big picture and find our the truth of the situation. Again, another reason why there shouldn't have been a referendum.
Completely agree. It was bound to land us in hot water. This is a question really for economists and politicians to answer not the general public. It is why we have elected representatives - because a question of this magnitude and complexity is far beyond the majority’s scope.
Does this apply to the next General Election?
.possibly that the general public may not fully understand the consequences of the manifesto that they are voting for and therefore the issue should be left to those perceived as having some form of higher intelligence?
I would feel mildly insulted if I thought you were serious."Are ‘you’ serious lol? We have a representative democracy. That is exactly how our democracy is set out right now. That is my point. That is entirely what I am making comparison to. That referenda are unlike our typical system of democracy where we elect politicians to represent us in Parliament. Take quickly for example our laws - we have NO say in them whatsoever. They are raised in one house, voted on in that house and then transferred to the next house, only if they get the votes in the first. If on that occasion they do and it passes to the next house, be it the common or the Lords, and they too vote for the bill, then it passes onto the Queen for Royal ascension, which then makes it an Act of Law. Another example - the thresholds for the EU referendum we also had NO say in. Again - votes on by our elected representatives and also Lords. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
They want to leave no matter what on the 29th March so they can wake up the next day and look in the mirror at the April fool they are.
What a stupid comment, as there are 31 days in March. So the next day after the 29th with be the 30th March.
Sorry, you’re right of course. I make mistakes from time to time, but I don’t mind admitting it.
It doesn't say a lot for your investigative skills when you don't realise than April fools day doesn't come after the 29th of March, but you expect people to believe your fantasy theory that the Americans where behind the leave victory in the referendum!
I was tired last night and I am only human and make mistakes - but I can admit them. As it happens you’ll have to wait out the weekend.
But in terms of my “investigative skills” - the first post of mine you personally disputed was a quote from the world’s foremost political expert on the WTO and a link to a video from Chris Whylie - one of the Cambridge Analytica whistleblowers.
You didn’t watch that video did you.
No,you might have 3 hours of your life to waste but I haven't, time better spent with your family you are so worried about
You see if you’d watched it, you’d know it was 3 hours invested - but this is the price you pay for wilful ignorance. You don’t look after your family by sticking your head up your arse.
Totally agree, best get someone to pull it out for you!Lol
Well you’re just a barrel of laughs aren’t you. But considering your previous post - that you’d prefer to stay ignorant, it doesn’t make much sense what you’ve just said does it.
You’re telling people they are wrong and in the same breath admitting you can’t be bothered to learn the facts.
Says it all really doesn’t it, "I like to think so, being miserable doesn't suit me! I have never said I prefer to be ignorant, I just know your American theory is fantasy so why waste valuable time on it! | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
They want to leave no matter what on the 29th March so they can wake up the next day and look in the mirror at the April fool they are.
What a stupid comment, as there are 31 days in March. So the next day after the 29th with be the 30th March.
Sorry, you’re right of course. I make mistakes from time to time, but I don’t mind admitting it.
It doesn't say a lot for your investigative skills when you don't realise than April fools day doesn't come after the 29th of March, but you expect people to believe your fantasy theory that the Americans where behind the leave victory in the referendum!
I was tired last night and I am only human and make mistakes - but I can admit them. As it happens you’ll have to wait out the weekend.
But in terms of my “investigative skills” - the first post of mine you personally disputed was a quote from the world’s foremost political expert on the WTO and a link to a video from Chris Whylie - one of the Cambridge Analytica whistleblowers.
You didn’t watch that video did you.
No,you might have 3 hours of your life to waste but I haven't, time better spent with your family you are so worried about
You see if you’d watched it, you’d know it was 3 hours invested - but this is the price you pay for wilful ignorance. You don’t look after your family by sticking your head up your arse.
Totally agree, best get someone to pull it out for you!Lol
Well you’re just a barrel of laughs aren’t you. But considering your previous post - that you’d prefer to stay ignorant, it doesn’t make much sense what you’ve just said does it.
You’re telling people they are wrong and in the same breath admitting you can’t be bothered to learn the facts.
Says it all really doesn’t it,
I like to think so, being miserable doesn't suit me!
I have never said I prefer to be ignorant, I just know your American theory is fantasy so why waste valuable time on it!"I don’t want to be rude to you but you’re not only insulting yourself and your own intelligence but you are also insulting my own. Sorry but you give up the right to tell me that my ‘theory’ is fantasy when you admit here that you are unwilling to educate yourself to facts and reality. I mean you can say it, but it carries no weight whatsoever because you have no clue what you’re talking about. Just like the two above you who presumably vote in general elections but don’t even now we live in representative democracy! This is why we’re facing this issues - because people like you are not willing learn the facts. And it is completely unacceptable in my opinion. You are pulling us who are willing to invest the time down with you. | |||
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me. "Lolol. In your OP, you said: "If you're able to March for more than one day Leave means Leave will pay for your overnight accomodation, breakfast and dinner. " But only if you pay them £50 first. Lololololol I heard a good gag today. Where is the capital of England? In the 1% bank accounts offshore. Lolol A feckin' protest march and you gotta pay an entry fee. Yer havin' a laugh. Lololol | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
They want to leave no matter what on the 29th March so they can wake up the next day and look in the mirror at the April fool they are.
What a stupid comment, as there are 31 days in March. So the next day after the 29th with be the 30th March.
Sorry, you’re right of course. I make mistakes from time to time, but I don’t mind admitting it.
It doesn't say a lot for your investigative skills when you don't realise than April fools day doesn't come after the 29th of March, but you expect people to believe your fantasy theory that the Americans where behind the leave victory in the referendum!
I was tired last night and I am only human and make mistakes - but I can admit them. As it happens you’ll have to wait out the weekend.
But in terms of my “investigative skills” - the first post of mine you personally disputed was a quote from the world’s foremost political expert on the WTO and a link to a video from Chris Whylie - one of the Cambridge Analytica whistleblowers.
You didn’t watch that video did you.
No,you might have 3 hours of your life to waste but I haven't, time better spent with your family you are so worried about
You see if you’d watched it, you’d know it was 3 hours invested - but this is the price you pay for wilful ignorance. You don’t look after your family by sticking your head up your arse.
Totally agree, best get someone to pull it out for you!Lol
Well you’re just a barrel of laughs aren’t you. But considering your previous post - that you’d prefer to stay ignorant, it doesn’t make much sense what you’ve just said does it.
You’re telling people they are wrong and in the same breath admitting you can’t be bothered to learn the facts.
Says it all really doesn’t it,
I like to think so, being miserable doesn't suit me!
I have never said I prefer to be ignorant, I just know your American theory is fantasy so why waste valuable time on it!
I don’t want to be rude to you but you’re not only insulting yourself and your own intelligence but you are also insulting my own.
Sorry but you give up the right to tell me that my ‘theory’ is fantasy when you admit here that you are unwilling to educate yourself to facts and reality.
I mean you can say it, but it carries no weight whatsoever because you have no clue what you’re talking about.
Just like the two above you who presumably vote in general elections but don’t even now we live in representative democracy!
This is why we’re facing this issues - because people like you are not willing learn the facts. And it is completely unacceptable in my opinion. You are pulling us who are willing to invest the time down with you.
"The electorate do get a say in the laws which are passed in Parliament though because the parties say which laws they are going to pass in their party manifestos during general election campaigns. The public look at the manifestos and then vote accordingly. | |||
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me.
Lolol.
In your OP, you said:
If you're able to March for more than one day Leave means Leave will pay for your overnight accomodation, breakfast and dinner.
But only if you pay them £50 first.
Lololololol
I heard a good gag today.
Where is the capital of England?
In the 1% bank accounts offshore.
Lolol
A feckin' protest march and you gotta pay an entry fee.
Yer havin' a laugh.
Lololol
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
They want to leave no matter what on the 29th March so they can wake up the next day and look in the mirror at the April fool they are.
What a stupid comment, as there are 31 days in March. So the next day after the 29th with be the 30th March.
Sorry, you’re right of course. I make mistakes from time to time, but I don’t mind admitting it.
It doesn't say a lot for your investigative skills when you don't realise than April fools day doesn't come after the 29th of March, but you expect people to believe your fantasy theory that the Americans where behind the leave victory in the referendum!
I was tired last night and I am only human and make mistakes - but I can admit them. As it happens you’ll have to wait out the weekend.
But in terms of my “investigative skills” - the first post of mine you personally disputed was a quote from the world’s foremost political expert on the WTO and a link to a video from Chris Whylie - one of the Cambridge Analytica whistleblowers.
You didn’t watch that video did you.
No,you might have 3 hours of your life to waste but I haven't, time better spent with your family you are so worried about
You see if you’d watched it, you’d know it was 3 hours invested - but this is the price you pay for wilful ignorance. You don’t look after your family by sticking your head up your arse.
Totally agree, best get someone to pull it out for you!Lol
Well you’re just a barrel of laughs aren’t you. But considering your previous post - that you’d prefer to stay ignorant, it doesn’t make much sense what you’ve just said does it.
You’re telling people they are wrong and in the same breath admitting you can’t be bothered to learn the facts.
Says it all really doesn’t it,
I like to think so, being miserable doesn't suit me!
I have never said I prefer to be ignorant, I just know your American theory is fantasy so why waste valuable time on it!
I don’t want to be rude to you but you’re not only insulting yourself and your own intelligence but you are also insulting my own.
Sorry but you give up the right to tell me that my ‘theory’ is fantasy when you admit here that you are unwilling to educate yourself to facts and reality.
I mean you can say it, but it carries no weight whatsoever because you have no clue what you’re talking about.
Just like the two above you who presumably vote in general elections but don’t even now we live in representative democracy!
This is why we’re facing this issues - because people like you are not willing learn the facts. And it is completely unacceptable in my opinion. You are pulling us who are willing to invest the time down with you.
The electorate do get a say in the laws which are passed in Parliament though because the parties say which laws they are going to pass in their party manifestos during general election campaigns. The public look at the manifestos and then vote accordingly. "Yes and that is known as a Representative Democracy! Fuck sake | |||
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"Do you get a discount if you are on Universal Credit? Sunderland? You keep citing Labour voters in northern seats. Well, that's Sunderland. So when Jakey turns up with his cloth cap and whippet, and says he wants to march. "Oh tally ho, that'll be 14 x £50," says the toff in ts and yellow vest. PMSL What about OAPs? Do they get a discount? A free wheelchair with "Let's send £350m to the NHS instead" painted on the side, maybe? " If you can find overnight accommodation, that includes breakfast and dinner, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and a beanie hat for £50 or under then I think you'll be telling porkies. For people who really can't afford to pay a £50 contribution fee they can apply to be sponsored by other Leave means Leave supporters on the website who donate. I've made a cash donation to help out on the website myself. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
They want to leave no matter what on the 29th March so they can wake up the next day and look in the mirror at the April fool they are.
What a stupid comment, as there are 31 days in March. So the next day after the 29th with be the 30th March.
Sorry, you’re right of course. I make mistakes from time to time, but I don’t mind admitting it.
It doesn't say a lot for your investigative skills when you don't realise than April fools day doesn't come after the 29th of March, but you expect people to believe your fantasy theory that the Americans where behind the leave victory in the referendum!
I was tired last night and I am only human and make mistakes - but I can admit them. As it happens you’ll have to wait out the weekend.
But in terms of my “investigative skills” - the first post of mine you personally disputed was a quote from the world’s foremost political expert on the WTO and a link to a video from Chris Whylie - one of the Cambridge Analytica whistleblowers.
You didn’t watch that video did you.
No,you might have 3 hours of your life to waste but I haven't, time better spent with your family you are so worried about
You see if you’d watched it, you’d know it was 3 hours invested - but this is the price you pay for wilful ignorance. You don’t look after your family by sticking your head up your arse.
Totally agree, best get someone to pull it out for you!Lol
Well you’re just a barrel of laughs aren’t you. But considering your previous post - that you’d prefer to stay ignorant, it doesn’t make much sense what you’ve just said does it.
You’re telling people they are wrong and in the same breath admitting you can’t be bothered to learn the facts.
Says it all really doesn’t it,
I like to think so, being miserable doesn't suit me!
I have never said I prefer to be ignorant, I just know your American theory is fantasy so why waste valuable time on it!
I don’t want to be rude to you but you’re not only insulting yourself and your own intelligence but you are also insulting my own.
Sorry but you give up the right to tell me that my ‘theory’ is fantasy when you admit here that you are unwilling to educate yourself to facts and reality.
I mean you can say it, but it carries no weight whatsoever because you have no clue what you’re talking about.
Just like the two above you who presumably vote in general elections but don’t even now we live in representative democracy!
This is why we’re facing this issues - because people like you are not willing learn the facts. And it is completely unacceptable in my opinion. You are pulling us who are willing to invest the time down with you.
The electorate do get a say in the laws which are passed in Parliament though because the parties say which laws they are going to pass in their party manifestos during general election campaigns. The public look at the manifestos and then vote accordingly.
Yes and that is known as a Representative Democracy!
Fuck sake
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" For people who really can't afford to pay a £50 contribution fee they can . . . " Jeeeze! And you're going to Sunderland with that attitude. "Tally ho, peeps, a bargain at £700 and you can walk with us to London. Hurrah, hurrah, hurrah, three cheers for Saint Nigel!" You could get two weeks in Benidorm from Newcastle for a fraction of that. And you don't even need to walk there. Lololol | |||
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" For people who really can't afford to pay a £50 contribution fee they can . . . Jeeeze! And you're going to Sunderland with that attitude. "Tally ho, peeps, a bargain at £700 and you can walk with us to London. Hurrah, hurrah, hurrah, three cheers for Saint Nigel!" You could get two weeks in Benidorm from Newcastle for a fraction of that. And you don't even need to walk there. Lololol " Showing your ignorance again. It clearly explains on the website the £50 is a one off fee so no idea where you got £700 from? And I'm not going up to Sunderland either, I'll be joining the march when it passes my neck of the woods in the Midlands area. | |||
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"Do you get a discount if you are on Universal Credit? Sunderland? You keep citing Labour voters in northern seats. Well, that's Sunderland. So when Jakey turns up with his cloth cap and whippet, and says he wants to march. "Oh tally ho, that'll be 14 x £50," says the toff in ts and yellow vest. PMSL What about OAPs? Do they get a discount? A free wheelchair with "Let's send £350m to the NHS instead" painted on the side, maybe? If you can find overnight accommodation, that includes breakfast and dinner, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and a beanie hat for £50 or under then I think you'll be telling porkies. For people who really can't afford to pay a £50 contribution fee they can apply to be sponsored by other Leave means Leave supporters on the website who donate. I've made a cash donation to help out on the website myself. "I suppose the TShirt could be worth something in 60 years time someone who collects nazi memorabilia. | |||
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" I'll be joining the march when it passes my neck of the woods in the Midlands area. "I hope it pisses down all day. | |||
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"Do you get a discount if you are on Universal Credit? Sunderland? You keep citing Labour voters in northern seats. Well, that's Sunderland. So when Jakey turns up with his cloth cap and whippet, and says he wants to march. "Oh tally ho, that'll be 14 x £50," says the toff in ts and yellow vest. PMSL What about OAPs? Do they get a discount? A free wheelchair with "Let's send £350m to the NHS instead" painted on the side, maybe? If you can find overnight accommodation, that includes breakfast and dinner, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and a beanie hat for £50 or under then I think you'll be telling porkies. For people who really can't afford to pay a £50 contribution fee they can apply to be sponsored by other Leave means Leave supporters on the website who donate. I've made a cash donation to help out on the website myself.
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" I'll be joining the march when it passes my neck of the woods in the Midlands area.
I hope it pisses down all day.
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me.
Lolol.
In your OP, you said:
If you're able to March for more than one day Leave means Leave will pay for your overnight accomodation, breakfast and dinner.
But only if you pay them £50 first.
Lololololol
I heard a good gag today.
Where is the capital of England?
In the 1% bank accounts offshore.
Lolol
A feckin' protest march and you gotta pay an entry fee.
Yer havin' a laugh.
Lololol
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I hope it pisses down all day.
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" I'll be joining the march when it passes my neck of the woods in the Midlands area.
I hope it pisses down all day.
Won't bother me I'll be getting a nice Leave means Leave rain coat to wear.
Flasher Mac?"I'll be happy to flash the finger at the EU on March 29th when we leave. | |||
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me.
Lolol.
In your OP, you said:
If you're able to March for more than one day Leave means Leave will pay for your overnight accomodation, breakfast and dinner.
But only if you pay them £50 first.
Lololololol
I heard a good gag today.
Where is the capital of England?
In the 1% bank accounts offshore.
Lolol
A feckin' protest march and you gotta pay an entry fee.
Yer havin' a laugh.
Lololol
What part of its free if you're only marching for 1 day do you not understand?
Centy you clearly said if you can march for more than one day Leave means Leave will pay for your accommodation and food etc but they don't, the poor fucking marchers pay £50 for what's probably a £10 a night slum and £10 worth of cheap Chinese crap all for £50.
Sounds like your getting far less back for what you pay in... now where have I heard that from "Wrong Andy, as technically Leave means Leave will pay for overnight accommodation, Breakfast and dinner if you apply for sponsorship on the website. As I said I've already made a cash donation to the sponsorship fund myself. | |||
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me.
Lolol.
In your OP, you said:
If you're able to March for more than one day Leave means Leave will pay for your overnight accomodation, breakfast and dinner.
But only if you pay them £50 first.
Lololololol
I heard a good gag today.
Where is the capital of England?
In the 1% bank accounts offshore.
Lolol
A feckin' protest march and you gotta pay an entry fee.
Yer havin' a laugh.
Lololol
What part of its free if you're only marching for 1 day do you not understand?
Centy you clearly said if you can march for more than one day Leave means Leave will pay for your accommodation and food etc but they don't, the poor fucking marchers pay £50 for what's probably a £10 a night slum and £10 worth of cheap Chinese crap all for £50.
Sounds like your getting far less back for what you pay in... now where have I heard that from
Wrong Andy, as technically Leave means Leave will pay for overnight accommodation, Breakfast and dinner if you apply for sponsorship on the website. As I said I've already made a cash donation to the sponsorship fund myself. "You should say Correct Andy Your opening statement post said Leave means Leave will pay accommodate & food if you can March for more than one day. It's a fact, go read what YOU typed in your opening post again. Nowhere in that opening post did you say it would cost each individual £50 for the pleasure. It's a fact, go read what YOU typed in your opening post again. Are you really saying you lied Centy, surely not
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me.
Lolol.
In your OP, you said:
If you're able to March for more than one day Leave means Leave will pay for your overnight accomodation, breakfast and dinner.
But only if you pay them £50 first.
Lololololol
I heard a good gag today.
Where is the capital of England?
In the 1% bank accounts offshore.
Lolol
A feckin' protest march and you gotta pay an entry fee.
Yer havin' a laugh.
Lololol
What part of its free if you're only marching for 1 day do you not understand?
Centy you clearly said if you can march for more than one day Leave means Leave will pay for your accommodation and food etc but they don't, the poor fucking marchers pay £50 for what's probably a £10 a night slum and £10 worth of cheap Chinese crap all for £50.
Sounds like your getting far less back for what you pay in... now where have I heard that from
Wrong Andy, as technically Leave means Leave will pay for overnight accommodation, Breakfast and dinner if you apply for sponsorship on the website. As I said I've already made a cash donation to the sponsorship fund myself. "Love the thumbs up to your own posts. Just like good old Trump with his self praise! Oh and I am neither tolerant or the voice of remain. Why should we tolerate the dregs of soceity? | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
They want to leave no matter what on the 29th March so they can wake up the next day and look in the mirror at the April fool they are.
What a stupid comment, as there are 31 days in March. So the next day after the 29th with be the 30th March.
Sorry, you’re right of course. I make mistakes from time to time, but I don’t mind admitting it.
It doesn't say a lot for your investigative skills when you don't realise than April fools day doesn't come after the 29th of March, but you expect people to believe your fantasy theory that the Americans where behind the leave victory in the referendum!
I was tired last night and I am only human and make mistakes - but I can admit them. As it happens you’ll have to wait out the weekend.
But in terms of my “investigative skills” - the first post of mine you personally disputed was a quote from the world’s foremost political expert on the WTO and a link to a video from Chris Whylie - one of the Cambridge Analytica whistleblowers.
You didn’t watch that video did you.
No,you might have 3 hours of your life to waste but I haven't, time better spent with your family you are so worried about
You see if you’d watched it, you’d know it was 3 hours invested - but this is the price you pay for wilful ignorance. You don’t look after your family by sticking your head up your arse.
Totally agree, best get someone to pull it out for you!Lol
Well you’re just a barrel of laughs aren’t you. But considering your previous post - that you’d prefer to stay ignorant, it doesn’t make much sense what you’ve just said does it.
You’re telling people they are wrong and in the same breath admitting you can’t be bothered to learn the facts.
Says it all really doesn’t it,
I like to think so, being miserable doesn't suit me!
I have never said I prefer to be ignorant, I just know your American theory is fantasy so why waste valuable time on it!
I don’t want to be rude to you but you’re not only insulting yourself and your own intelligence but you are also insulting my own.
Sorry but you give up the right to tell me that my ‘theory’ is fantasy when you admit here that you are unwilling to educate yourself to facts and reality.
I mean you can say it, but it carries no weight whatsoever because you have no clue what you’re talking about.
Just like the two above you who presumably vote in general elections but don’t even now we live in representative democracy!
This is why we’re facing this issues - because people like you are not willing learn the facts. And it is completely unacceptable in my opinion. You are pulling us who are willing to invest the time down with you.
The electorate do get a say in the laws which are passed in Parliament though because the parties say which laws they are going to pass in their party manifestos during general election campaigns. The public look at the manifestos and then vote accordingly.
Yes and that is known as a Representative Democracy!
Fuck sake
So the people do get a say in the laws of the land then. Earlier you said they didn't. Make your mind up. "What is it you’re finding hard to understand here? It is quite straightforward. Read the comment from the couple from Derby. The point I was making and another commenter above had made very well, was that the EU referendum should not have happened because of the complexity of the subject. I agree entirely and for the reason that this is the realm of experts, not joe public - whether you like that or not. It is why we have economists. It is the same logic as giving your surgeon the scalpel not your mate Dave - even if he is well meaning. Referenda differ to our typical democratic process in that it’s direct and we the people input our decision at the highest level. Normal workings of our representative democracy express our will indirectly through, of course, representatives - MPs, whom we vote for. So the two systems are very different. Mine and another commenter’s view is that referenda, especially the EU referendum given it can make constitutional change, present an obvious risk to society as you are circumventing the expertise that our normal representative democracy allows for. In the normal workings of our representative democracy, we do not get to vote on the bills which potentially become acts of law. Only MPs and Lords do. Some are not even mentioned in any manifesto. They can emerge in the Lords and be private members bills. What will make them an act of law is if a majority of each house votes for the bill. Again as you seem not to want to understand - this differs entirely to the system of a referenda. | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? " The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. | |||
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" I'll be joining the march when it passes my neck of the woods in the Midlands area.
I hope it pisses down all day.
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me.
Lolol.
In your OP, you said:
If you're able to March for more than one day Leave means Leave will pay for your overnight accomodation, breakfast and dinner.
But only if you pay them £50 first.
Lololololol
I heard a good gag today.
Where is the capital of England?
In the 1% bank accounts offshore.
Lolol
A feckin' protest march and you gotta pay an entry fee.
Yer havin' a laugh.
Lololol
What part of its free if you're only marching for 1 day do you not understand?
Centy you clearly said if you can march for more than one day Leave means Leave will pay for your accommodation and food etc but they don't, the poor fucking marchers pay £50 for what's probably a £10 a night slum and £10 worth of cheap Chinese crap all for £50.
Sounds like your getting far less back for what you pay in... now where have I heard that from
Wrong Andy, as technically Leave means Leave will pay for overnight accommodation, Breakfast and dinner if you apply for sponsorship on the website. As I said I've already made a cash donation to the sponsorship fund myself.
You should say Correct Andy
Your opening statement post said Leave means Leave will pay accommodate & food if you can March for more than one day.
It's a fact, go read what YOU typed in your opening post again.
Nowhere in that opening post did you say it would cost each individual £50 for the pleasure.
It's a fact, go read what YOU typed in your opening post again.
Are you really saying you lied Centy, surely not
Anyway as I said, it sounds like your getting far less back for what you pay in... now where have I heard that from "I know what I wrote in the opening post. I told leave voters and Brexit supporters to go over to the March to Leave website if they want to get involved. The link to the March to Leave website is on the YouTube video I posted. It's free to go on the march if you're only able to attend for one day. If you want to attend for more than one day for free you can apply for sponsorship on the website, under which circumstances Leave means leave will pay for your overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. I should have made that more clear in the OP, but it's made very clear those are the conditions on the website which I told people to check out if they wanted to get involved. I've made a cash donation to the sponsorship fund myself on the website so others can attend for free over a period of more than a day. | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. " I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. | |||
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me.
Lolol.
In your OP, you said:
If you're able to March for more than one day Leave means Leave will pay for your overnight accomodation, breakfast and dinner.
But only if you pay them £50 first.
Lololololol
I heard a good gag today.
Where is the capital of England?
In the 1% bank accounts offshore.
Lolol
A feckin' protest march and you gotta pay an entry fee.
Yer havin' a laugh.
Lololol
What part of its free if you're only marching for 1 day do you not understand?
Centy you clearly said if you can march for more than one day Leave means Leave will pay for your accommodation and food etc but they don't, the poor fucking marchers pay £50 for what's probably a £10 a night slum and £10 worth of cheap Chinese crap all for £50.
Sounds like your getting far less back for what you pay in... now where have I heard that from
Wrong Andy, as technically Leave means Leave will pay for overnight accommodation, Breakfast and dinner if you apply for sponsorship on the website. As I said I've already made a cash donation to the sponsorship fund myself.
Love the thumbs up to your own posts. Just like good old Trump with his self praise!
Oh and I am neither tolerant or the voice of remain. Why should we tolerate the dregs of soceity?"Wow, so leave voters are the dregs of society now? And on other threads you're a self confessed supporter of hope not hate, yet you state here you are not tolerant? Your mask really has slipped Dave. | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. " Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. | |||
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"You forgot to mention the £50 fee to take part. No as usual you've not looked at the fine detail. If you're only marching for one day it's completely free to turn up and join in with the march. If you're marching for more than one day you pay £50 which covers cost of overnight accommodation, breakfast and dinner. On top of this you also get a march to leave kit, which includes, a rain coat, a t-shirt, a water bottle, gloves and beanie hat, all of that for £50 seems like a bargain to me.
Lolol.
In your OP, you said:
If you're able to March for more than one day Leave means Leave will pay for your overnight accomodation, breakfast and dinner.
But only if you pay them £50 first.
Lololololol
I heard a good gag today.
Where is the capital of England?
In the 1% bank accounts offshore.
Lolol
A feckin' protest march and you gotta pay an entry fee.
Yer havin' a laugh.
Lololol
What part of its free if you're only marching for 1 day do you not understand?
Centy you clearly said if you can march for more than one day Leave means Leave will pay for your accommodation and food etc but they don't, the poor fucking marchers pay £50 for what's probably a £10 a night slum and £10 worth of cheap Chinese crap all for £50.
Sounds like your getting far less back for what you pay in... now where have I heard that from
Wrong Andy, as technically Leave means Leave will pay for overnight accommodation, Breakfast and dinner if you apply for sponsorship on the website. As I said I've already made a cash donation to the sponsorship fund myself.
Love the thumbs up to your own posts. Just like good old Trump with his self praise!
Oh and I am neither tolerant or the voice of remain. Why should we tolerate the dregs of soceity?
Wow, so leave voters are the dregs of society now? And on other threads you're a self confessed supporter of hope not hate, yet you state here you are not tolerant? Your mask really has slipped Dave. "Leave means leave protesters are the dregs. Well remembered, I do take an active interest in hope not hate. Not sure what mask you’re talking about. But hey, I’m not too concerned with your opinion of me. | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. " He didn’t say taxes go towards leave means leave. He said taxes towards the policing of the march. | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. He didn’t say taxes go towards leave means leave. He said taxes towards the policing of the march. " Likewise i resent my taxes being used towards the policing of The People's Vote march last year. | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. He didn’t say taxes go towards leave means leave. He said taxes towards the policing of the march. Likewise i resent my taxes being used towards the policing of The People's Vote march last year. " Do you think the t shirt, beenie & raincoat order will be a bit like Chris Grayling ordering transport services from a company with no ferries? Is Dell boy still operating & does he deliver all the way up to Sunderland? | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. He didn’t say taxes go towards leave means leave. He said taxes towards the policing of the march. Likewise i resent my taxes being used towards the policing of The People's Vote march last year. Do you think the t shirt, beenie & raincoat order will be a bit like Chris Grayling ordering transport services from a company with no ferries? Is Dell boy still operating & does he deliver all the way up to Sunderland?" Not sure but if Del boy can get from London to Hull and then from Hull to Holland on a knackered old sea trawler and back again with Rodney and Uncle Albert, I'm sure we'll be just fine after we've left the EU. | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
They want to leave no matter what on the 29th March so they can wake up the next day and look in the mirror at the April fool they are.
What a stupid comment, as there are 31 days in March. So the next day after the 29th with be the 30th March.
Sorry, you’re right of course. I make mistakes from time to time, but I don’t mind admitting it.
It doesn't say a lot for your investigative skills when you don't realise than April fools day doesn't come after the 29th of March, but you expect people to believe your fantasy theory that the Americans where behind the leave victory in the referendum!
I was tired last night and I am only human and make mistakes - but I can admit them. As it happens you’ll have to wait out the weekend.
But in terms of my “investigative skills” - the first post of mine you personally disputed was a quote from the world’s foremost political expert on the WTO and a link to a video from Chris Whylie - one of the Cambridge Analytica whistleblowers.
You didn’t watch that video did you.
No,you might have 3 hours of your life to waste but I haven't, time better spent with your family you are so worried about
You see if you’d watched it, you’d know it was 3 hours invested - but this is the price you pay for wilful ignorance. You don’t look after your family by sticking your head up your arse.
Totally agree, best get someone to pull it out for you!Lol
Well you’re just a barrel of laughs aren’t you. But considering your previous post - that you’d prefer to stay ignorant, it doesn’t make much sense what you’ve just said does it.
You’re telling people they are wrong and in the same breath admitting you can’t be bothered to learn the facts.
Says it all really doesn’t it,
I like to think so, being miserable doesn't suit me!
I have never said I prefer to be ignorant, I just know your American theory is fantasy so why waste valuable time on it!
I don’t want to be rude to you but you’re not only insulting yourself and your own intelligence but you are also insulting my own.
Sorry but you give up the right to tell me that my ‘theory’ is fantasy when you admit here that you are unwilling to educate yourself to facts and reality.
I mean you can say it, but it carries no weight whatsoever because you have no clue what you’re talking about.
Just like the two above you who presumably vote in general elections but don’t even now we live in representative democracy!
This is why we’re facing this issues - because people like you are not willing learn the facts. And it is completely unacceptable in my opinion. You are pulling us who are willing to invest the time down with you.
"I note no other remainer has bought into your American theory which just about sums up the fantasy claim that it is, they are normally very quick to jump to each other's defence, why not in your case!? My right to point out you a talking rubbish will remain till the day I die, furthermore your own intelligence was irreparably damaged once you started posting this bunkum! | |||
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"On LBC one of the leaders was against Mays deal. So they’re marching against the democratically elected governments way of delivering the will of the people. Good for them. As long as we agree that’s their position.
The march is to send a message to the government we want to leave the EU on 29th March, as promised over 100 times by Theresa May in Parliament. That is why the march will end in Westminster on the 29th March having come all the way from Sunderland over the previous 14 days.
However your man from LML seemed to also say that Mays deal didn’t mean Leave. If its just about not delaying article 50, then I understand the motives. If it is towards talking about the flavour of leave, rather than the timing, I think it’s on shakier ground.
Think what you like. I'll be joining the march because i don't want article 50 extended, and want to leave on 29th March as promised.
Fair play. You also have stood by Mays deal as being the Referendum vote delivered. I’m less convinced some of the organisers agree with you and will use this as a platform to shout down the elected governments proposal.
Happy to leave with May's deal with changes to the backstop if she can get it through Parliament. If she can't then we must leave on 29th March with no deal.
Why?
What's so special about the 29th March that we absolutely have to leave on that date and no other?
Because we've been promised for the last 2 years this would be the date we would leave.
Seems a little pedantic to me. Are you saying that, even if it looked like we could get a deal without the backstop but it would mean delaying our exit to... let's say 15 April ...we should still leave on the 29th March regardless?
Yes. Chief secretary to the Treasury Liz Truss said the other day any extension to article 50 would be a betrayal.
Betrayal to whom?
This sums up leavers mentality. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't matter if it makes sense, doesn't matter if it's clearly the wrong option. Plough on regardless.
Betrayal to the 17.4 million people who voted leave.
But, if we left on say 15 April with a good deal, which is what the Leave campaign said we would do, how is that a betrayal of the 17.4 million voters who voted Leave? It didn't say on the ballot paper "Leave the EU on 29 March 2019" and no one in the Leave campaign before the vote said anything about Leaving on 29 March 2019, so how is it a betrayal of the 17.4 million.
Surly the real betrayal of the 17.4 million would be to leave on the 29 March without a deal if a deal could be reached shortly after that. After all leaving with a deal was what the leave campaign promised during the referendum, not leaving on the 29 March.
They want to leave no matter what on the 29th March so they can wake up the next day and look in the mirror at the April fool they are.
What a stupid comment, as there are 31 days in March. So the next day after the 29th with be the 30th March.
Sorry, you’re right of course. I make mistakes from time to time, but I don’t mind admitting it.
It doesn't say a lot for your investigative skills when you don't realise than April fools day doesn't come after the 29th of March, but you expect people to believe your fantasy theory that the Americans where behind the leave victory in the referendum!
I was tired last night and I am only human and make mistakes - but I can admit them. As it happens you’ll have to wait out the weekend.
But in terms of my “investigative skills” - the first post of mine you personally disputed was a quote from the world’s foremost political expert on the WTO and a link to a video from Chris Whylie - one of the Cambridge Analytica whistleblowers.
You didn’t watch that video did you.
No,you might have 3 hours of your life to waste but I haven't, time better spent with your family you are so worried about
You see if you’d watched it, you’d know it was 3 hours invested - but this is the price you pay for wilful ignorance. You don’t look after your family by sticking your head up your arse.
Totally agree, best get someone to pull it out for you!Lol
Well you’re just a barrel of laughs aren’t you. But considering your previous post - that you’d prefer to stay ignorant, it doesn’t make much sense what you’ve just said does it.
You’re telling people they are wrong and in the same breath admitting you can’t be bothered to learn the facts.
Says it all really doesn’t it,
I like to think so, being miserable doesn't suit me!
I have never said I prefer to be ignorant, I just know your American theory is fantasy so why waste valuable time on it!
I don’t want to be rude to you but you’re not only insulting yourself and your own intelligence but you are also insulting my own.
Sorry but you give up the right to tell me that my ‘theory’ is fantasy when you admit here that you are unwilling to educate yourself to facts and reality.
I mean you can say it, but it carries no weight whatsoever because you have no clue what you’re talking about.
Just like the two above you who presumably vote in general elections but don’t even now we live in representative democracy!
This is why we’re facing this issues - because people like you are not willing learn the facts. And it is completely unacceptable in my opinion. You are pulling us who are willing to invest the time down with you.
I note no other remainer has bought into your American theory which just about sums up the fantasy claim that it is, they are normally very quick to jump to each other's defence, why not in your case!?
My right to point out you a talking rubbish will remain till the day I die, furthermore your own intelligence was irreparably damaged once you started posting this bunkum! "You said you weren’t prepared to “waste” 3 hours of your time even watching a video. I don’t know if there is at this point, anybody who I discuss the topic of Brexit with, that hasn’t watched that video that you refuse to “waste” your time on. It’s one of, if not probably the biggest scandals on the topic of Brexit since the referendum. The disclosure in that video led to Vote Leave being convicted of breaking electoral law. For the record I am by no means the only ‘remainer’ who holds that “theory” as you put it. It’s quite amusing you find it so outlandish. I take it that if you can’t be arsed to even watch a 3 hour video though (that is really a must for anyone who follows Brexit closely) then there is probably a fair bit that has escaped your notice. The US are watching all this and hoping we crash out with no deal. It deregulates us, and that means increased profits for corporations operating inside the UK who no longer have to, for example, pay out for making sure their employees are protected at work or even how and where industries dispose of their waste etc. This obviously hurts society but increases corporate profits, because in business, a pound saved is a pound earned. At the same time the government will ramp up privatisation including in our NHS until there is nothing left of what it was. The US are of course prominent in the private healthcare business. They have the wealth and power to lean on governments and even direct policy - remember that quote I left you that you probably couldn’t be arsed to read? And we currently have a government who you can say ‘play ball’. It’s what they’re in politics for infact - to serve the interests of the corporate elite. Theresa May’s ‘Stable’ from her ‘strong and stable’ is a term that pops up MANY times throughout world political history of the 20th and 21st century. It has a specific meaning and it’s not for the public as such. ‘Stability’ means to maintain and protect the interests of the corporate world. Theresa May was infact signalling to them that she is their woman. On January 1st 2019, the EU introduced across all member states, a new corporate anti tax avoidance directive which the UK ‘would’ have benefitted from considering we lose billions to corporate tax avoidance. Leaving the EU means corporations operating in the UK get to swerve that one though. Corporations like Rupert Murdoch’s media empire. You are aware he owns a third of our news media and is constantly trying to buy more? If you’ve read ‘Manufacturing Consent’ you know why this is extremely worrying as it undermines our democracy at its core. The ‘British’ mainstream media which is largely US owned - and the company which broke the law by harvesting our personal data off social media for Vote Leave - also a North American company, have between themselves and other parties, hijacked the topic of Brexit making it their own, and masquerading as the voice of the patriotic Brit, whilst stoking the fires of religious prejudice, xenophobia and plain racism with their headlines and social media targeted hate articles - and incited in those who were susceptible, a anger which they then redirect at the EU by portraying it as the bringer of woes and the gateway for all these bloody foreigners to flood in. Angry people are easy to manipulate and so they started frothing at the mouth and going bozz-eyed with rage at the EU for doing this. Of course the media has no necessity to tell the truth. Our media regulators in Britain are a joke. The Editor of the Daily Mail sat as chair on the regulatory board! Hardly going to reprimand himself and his buddies is he. So the media lie and sell falsehoods and certain members of the public lap it up as gospel because of confirmation bias and their own ignorance. They already think their problems are caused by foreigners so are quick to believe any story that runs along those lines. The nation has been conned well and truly and it’s not hard to see by who and why. Ironically we are being fucked by foreigners, but it’s not the Europeans but the American corporates who stand to gain in the event we leave - especially under a ‘no deal’ scenario. | |||
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" I see ukip have had a 50 % surge in membership since tommy has become the poster boy.. UKIP are the brexit party are they not?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right " Nigel Farage's new Brexit party has also had a surge in membership. Will be joining Nigel's party myself if Brexit doesn't happen. | |||
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" I see ukip have had a 50 % surge in membership since tommy has become the poster boy.. UKIP are the brexit party are they not?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right Nigel Farage's new Brexit party has also had a surge in membership. Will be joining Nigel's party myself if Brexit doesn't happen. " And Farage and his new party aren’t far right? | |||
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" I see ukip have had a 50 % surge in membership since tommy has become the poster boy.. UKIP are the brexit party are they not?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right " do you not think remainers are to blame for that bob for pushing for a second vote you may be just creating the monster you fear the most lol | |||
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"Haha so they have to pay to get people to show up to the far right marches these days? Brilliant stuff. Should be a fun day for the fash. Oh look.... there's that "far right" badge again! kind of being cheapened these days i feel.
How do you view the far right? Do you see any overlap with supporters of groups like “Leave Means Leave”, or do see them as people from all aspects of the political spectrum coming together for this one issue.
Do you think it’s right to associate leavers with being on the right, and remainers on the left?"So you believe that the Tory party is left wing? | |||
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"Haha so they have to pay to get people to show up to the far right marches these days? Brilliant stuff. Should be a fun day for the fash. Oh look.... there's that "far right" badge again! kind of being cheapened these days i feel.
How do you view the far right? Do you see any overlap with supporters of groups like “Leave Means Leave”, or do see them as people from all aspects of the political spectrum coming together for this one issue.
Do you think it’s right to associate leavers with being on the right, and remainers on the left?
So you believe that the Tory party is left wing?"I don’t believe the Tories to be left wing. I was genuinely asking those questions out or interest. Not being argumentative. And tried to phrase them as such. | |||
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" I see ukip have had a 50 % surge in membership since tommy has become the poster boy.. UKIP are the brexit party are they not?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right do you not think remainers are to blame for that bob for pushing for a second vote you may be just creating the monster you fear the most lol" I would say that people threatening to riot are blame for the threats of rioting, more so than the people not threatening to riot. | |||
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" I see ukip have had a 50 % surge in membership since tommy has become the poster boy.. UKIP are the brexit party are they not?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right do you not think remainers are to blame for that bob for pushing for a second vote you may be just creating the monster you fear the most lol" No.. | |||
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"I saw something on Facespace that made me chuckle. When we shortly leave the EU, in order for an unhappy Remainer to feel less bereft, they should find an EU penpal. Every month they should send that penpal £100. The penpal should then send £60 back. Save the £60 each month until you have enough to buy a park bench to place in a nice sunny spot and place a placard on it stating "Funded by the EU" so the benefits of friendship may be enjoyed. Looking forward to the torrent of abuse.....
I think this misunderstanding about the EU is a fantastic example of why we shouldn't have had a referendum in the first place.
No abuse here, this kind of ignorance seems commonplace and is partly to blame for the mess we find ourselves in now.
The fault also lies with the misinformation campaign by the likes of the ERG, The Daily Mail, sponsored by other interested parties etc. Not everyone has time to look up the big picture and find our the truth of the situation. Again, another reason why there shouldn't have been a referendum.
There is no misunderstanding or misinformation about that post you quoted, it accurately describes the UK's payments to the EU budget in a humorous way.
I have no doubt that you genuinely believe it. Yet more evidence against having referendum on such matters.
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. " You are very limited in your understanding of infrastructure! Of course there is a cost to the taxpayer- police are going to have to monitor the march, there is a cost to policing- who do you think pays for that - the taxpayer! It's not free! Oh and by the way I am still waiting for you to answer the question put to you on the Farmers thread - your absence is conspicuous! | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. You are very limited in your understanding of infrastructure! Of course there is a cost to the taxpayer- police are going to have to monitor the march, there is a cost to policing- who do you think pays for that - the taxpayer! It's not free! Oh and by the way I am still waiting for you to answer the question put to you on the Farmers thread - your absence is conspicuous!" I already answered the question on the French farmers thread. I can go and give you the same answer as before if you like. As for the cost of policing the March to Leave, then that is cancelled out by the cost of policing on the remain People's vote march last year, so i guess that makes us even as the cost involved on each march cancels the other out. | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. You are very limited in your understanding of infrastructure! Of course there is a cost to the taxpayer- police are going to have to monitor the march, there is a cost to policing- who do you think pays for that - the taxpayer! It's not free! Oh and by the way I am still waiting for you to answer the question put to you on the Farmers thread - your absence is conspicuous! I already answered the question on the French farmers thread. I can go and give you the same answer as before if you like. As for the cost of policing the March to Leave, then that is cancelled out by the cost of policing on the remain People's vote march last year, so i guess that makes us even as the cost involved on each march cancels the other out. "But that was money spent on us nice middle class types, not you shabby working class ruffians! | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. You are very limited in your understanding of infrastructure! Of course there is a cost to the taxpayer- police are going to have to monitor the march, there is a cost to policing- who do you think pays for that - the taxpayer! It's not free! Oh and by the way I am still waiting for you to answer the question put to you on the Farmers thread - your absence is conspicuous! I already answered the question on the French farmers thread. I can go and give you the same answer as before if you like. As for the cost of policing the March to Leave, then that is cancelled out by the cost of policing on the remain People's vote march last year, so i guess that makes us even as the cost involved on each march cancels the other out. "No you haven't what you said is Verbatim: "Looks like you just got proved wrong....aagain." That is not an answer to the question! | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. You are very limited in your understanding of infrastructure! Of course there is a cost to the taxpayer- police are going to have to monitor the march, there is a cost to policing- who do you think pays for that - the taxpayer! It's not free! Oh and by the way I am still waiting for you to answer the question put to you on the Farmers thread - your absence is conspicuous! I already answered the question on the French farmers thread. I can go and give you the same answer as before if you like. As for the cost of policing the March to Leave, then that is cancelled out by the cost of policing on the remain People's vote march last year, so i guess that makes us even as the cost involved on each march cancels the other out.
No you haven't what you said is
Verbatim:
"Looks like you just got proved wrong....aagain."
That is not an answer to the question!"The question was answered in the previous post to that on the other thread. | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. You are very limited in your understanding of infrastructure! Of course there is a cost to the taxpayer- police are going to have to monitor the march, there is a cost to policing- who do you think pays for that - the taxpayer! It's not free! Oh and by the way I am still waiting for you to answer the question put to you on the Farmers thread - your absence is conspicuous! I already answered the question on the French farmers thread. I can go and give you the same answer as before if you like. As for the cost of policing the March to Leave, then that is cancelled out by the cost of policing on the remain People's vote march last year, so i guess that makes us even as the cost involved on each march cancels the other out.
No you haven't what you said is
Verbatim:
"Looks like you just got proved wrong....aagain."
That is not an answer to the question!
The question was answered in the previous post to that on the other thread. "Why don’t you list some facts about the upside of Brexit in a new thread? Many of us have a problem finding your references, which clearly could be our failings - so why don’t you help us out. You never know it might persuade some that Brexit isn’t such a bad thing. I am prepared to be open minded, but some facts would really help. | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. You are very limited in your understanding of infrastructure! Of course there is a cost to the taxpayer- police are going to have to monitor the march, there is a cost to policing- who do you think pays for that - the taxpayer! It's not free! Oh and by the way I am still waiting for you to answer the question put to you on the Farmers thread - your absence is conspicuous! I already answered the question on the French farmers thread. I can go and give you the same answer as before if you like. As for the cost of policing the March to Leave, then that is cancelled out by the cost of policing on the remain People's vote march last year, so i guess that makes us even as the cost involved on each march cancels the other out.
No you haven't what you said is
Verbatim:
"Looks like you just got proved wrong....aagain."
That is not an answer to the question!
The question was answered in the previous post to that on the other thread. "Verbatim: As for EU trade partner's rolling over their existing trade deals the UK government is currently in the process of doing that and a number have been rolled over already. More will be rolled over before we leave the EU and any remaining ones will be completed shortly after Brexit. Still not answered the question but yet another deflection! How many days before 29th March - 24 days left and how many have flipped over? Ok 4 so again we are going to get 66 flip in 24 days? At least be man enough and admit it! | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. You are very limited in your understanding of infrastructure! Of course there is a cost to the taxpayer- police are going to have to monitor the march, there is a cost to policing- who do you think pays for that - the taxpayer! It's not free! Oh and by the way I am still waiting for you to answer the question put to you on the Farmers thread - your absence is conspicuous! I already answered the question on the French farmers thread. I can go and give you the same answer as before if you like. As for the cost of policing the March to Leave, then that is cancelled out by the cost of policing on the remain People's vote march last year, so i guess that makes us even as the cost involved on each march cancels the other out.
No you haven't what you said is
Verbatim:
"Looks like you just got proved wrong....aagain."
That is not an answer to the question!
The question was answered in the previous post to that on the other thread.
Verbatim:
As for EU trade partner's rolling over their existing trade deals the UK government is currently in the process of doing that and a number have been rolled over already. More will be rolled over before we leave the EU and any remaining ones will be completed shortly after Brexit.
Still not answered the question but yet another deflection! How many days before 29th March - 24 days left and how many have flipped over? Ok 4 so again we are going to get 66 flip in 24 days? At least be man enough and admit it!
"I didn't say 66 would flip in 24 days. I said more would flip before the 29th March and any remaining ones would be completed shortly after Brexit. That is what you just quoted me as saying in your post above. | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. You are very limited in your understanding of infrastructure! Of course there is a cost to the taxpayer- police are going to have to monitor the march, there is a cost to policing- who do you think pays for that - the taxpayer! It's not free! Oh and by the way I am still waiting for you to answer the question put to you on the Farmers thread - your absence is conspicuous! I already answered the question on the French farmers thread. I can go and give you the same answer as before if you like. As for the cost of policing the March to Leave, then that is cancelled out by the cost of policing on the remain People's vote march last year, so i guess that makes us even as the cost involved on each march cancels the other out.
No you haven't what you said is
Verbatim:
"Looks like you just got proved wrong....aagain."
That is not an answer to the question!
The question was answered in the previous post to that on the other thread.
Verbatim:
As for EU trade partner's rolling over their existing trade deals the UK government is currently in the process of doing that and a number have been rolled over already. More will be rolled over before we leave the EU and any remaining ones will be completed shortly after Brexit.
Still not answered the question but yet another deflection! How many days before 29th March - 24 days left and how many have flipped over? Ok 4 so again we are going to get 66 flip in 24 days? At least be man enough and admit it!
I didn't say 66 would flip in 24 days. I said more would flip before the 29th March and any remaining ones would be completed shortly after Brexit. That is what you just quoted me as saying in your post above. "It's taken 2 years to flip 4 Fact Both the UK and the EU agreed to split trading rights on flipping Fact So why have only 4 flipped? Is it the famous brexiteer Dr Fox not being good at his job? Why nobody was going to gain any extra trade and the EU sanctioned it - they were for it. So why centaur hasn't it happened? Ok they didn't have you as a negotiator but why has NO significant country flipped. What I mean is USA not flipped, Japan not flipped, Canada not flipped why? | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. You are very limited in your understanding of infrastructure! Of course there is a cost to the taxpayer- police are going to have to monitor the march, there is a cost to policing- who do you think pays for that - the taxpayer! It's not free! Oh and by the way I am still waiting for you to answer the question put to you on the Farmers thread - your absence is conspicuous! I already answered the question on the French farmers thread. I can go and give you the same answer as before if you like. As for the cost of policing the March to Leave, then that is cancelled out by the cost of policing on the remain People's vote march last year, so i guess that makes us even as the cost involved on each march cancels the other out.
No you haven't what you said is
Verbatim:
"Looks like you just got proved wrong....aagain."
That is not an answer to the question!
The question was answered in the previous post to that on the other thread.
Verbatim:
As for EU trade partner's rolling over their existing trade deals the UK government is currently in the process of doing that and a number have been rolled over already. More will be rolled over before we leave the EU and any remaining ones will be completed shortly after Brexit.
Still not answered the question but yet another deflection! How many days before 29th March - 24 days left and how many have flipped over? Ok 4 so again we are going to get 66 flip in 24 days? At least be man enough and admit it!
I didn't say 66 would flip in 24 days. I said more would flip before the 29th March and any remaining ones would be completed shortly after Brexit. That is what you just quoted me as saying in your post above.
It's taken 2 years to flip 4 Fact
Both the UK and the EU agreed to split trading rights on flipping Fact
So why have only 4 flipped?
Is it the famous brexiteer Dr Fox not being good at his job?
Why nobody was going to gain any extra trade and the EU sanctioned it - they were for it.
So why centaur hasn't it happened?
Ok they didn't have you as a negotiator but why has NO significant country flipped. What I mean is USA not flipped, Japan not flipped, Canada not flipped why?
"The USA can't flip because the EU doesn't have a trade deal with the USA. That's common knowledge. You can't flip a trade deal that isn't there to begin with. | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. You are very limited in your understanding of infrastructure! Of course there is a cost to the taxpayer- police are going to have to monitor the march, there is a cost to policing- who do you think pays for that - the taxpayer! It's not free! Oh and by the way I am still waiting for you to answer the question put to you on the Farmers thread - your absence is conspicuous! I already answered the question on the French farmers thread. I can go and give you the same answer as before if you like. As for the cost of policing the March to Leave, then that is cancelled out by the cost of policing on the remain People's vote march last year, so i guess that makes us even as the cost involved on each march cancels the other out.
No you haven't what you said is
Verbatim:
"Looks like you just got proved wrong....aagain."
That is not an answer to the question!
The question was answered in the previous post to that on the other thread.
Verbatim:
As for EU trade partner's rolling over their existing trade deals the UK government is currently in the process of doing that and a number have been rolled over already. More will be rolled over before we leave the EU and any remaining ones will be completed shortly after Brexit.
Still not answered the question but yet another deflection! How many days before 29th March - 24 days left and how many have flipped over? Ok 4 so again we are going to get 66 flip in 24 days? At least be man enough and admit it!
I didn't say 66 would flip in 24 days. I said more would flip before the 29th March and any remaining ones would be completed shortly after Brexit. That is what you just quoted me as saying in your post above.
It's taken 2 years to flip 4 Fact
Both the UK and the EU agreed to split trading rights on flipping Fact
So why have only 4 flipped?
Is it the famous brexiteer Dr Fox not being good at his job?
Why nobody was going to gain any extra trade and the EU sanctioned it - they were for it.
So why centaur hasn't it happened?
Ok they didn't have you as a negotiator but why has NO significant country flipped. What I mean is USA not flipped, Japan not flipped, Canada not flipped why?
The USA can't flip because the EU doesn't have a trade deal with the USA. That's common knowledge. You can't flip a trade deal that isn't there to begin with. "While there isn’t a full in trade deal there are a number of bilateral agreements which can be flipped ... | |||
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" I see ukip have had a 50 % surge in membership since tommy has become the poster boy.. UKIP are the brexit party are they not?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right Nigel Farage's new Brexit party has also had a surge in membership. Will be joining Nigel's party myself if Brexit doesn't happen. And Farage and his new party aren’t far right?" Farage is not far right,he simply wants us out of the EU that is not left or right | |||
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"The irony this thread is now debating the value for money of a fee. Isn’t the correct measure I give £50. I get no rebate. So it’s bad for me? The point is its my own personal choice if I want to go on this march and pay the fee with my own money, that's my own personal choice. Membership of the EU has not been a choice for me for the last 40 years and a percentage of my tax goes to the EU whether I like it or not. There is no choice involved with that and I resent my tax going towards a vile organisation like the EU. I resent my tax going towards policing a vile organisation like Leave means Leave as they stomp around the country. Your tax is not going towards Leave means Leave though is it. Leave means Leave is a private campaign group which doesn't get any government money. You are very limited in your understanding of infrastructure! Of course there is a cost to the taxpayer- police are going to have to monitor the march, there is a cost to policing- who do you think pays for that - the taxpayer! It's not free! Oh and by the way I am still waiting for you to answer the question put to you on the Farmers thread - your absence is conspicuous! I already answered the question on the French farmers thread. I can go and give you the same answer as before if you like. As for the cost of policing the March to Leave, then that is cancelled out by the cost of policing on the remain People's vote march last year, so i guess that makes us even as the cost involved on each march cancels the other out.
No you haven't what you said is
Verbatim:
"Looks like you just got proved wrong....aagain."
That is not an answer to the question!
The question was answered in the previous post to that on the other thread.
Why don’t you list some facts about the upside of Brexit in a new thread? Many of us have a problem finding your references, which clearly could be our failings - so why don’t you help us out. You never know it might persuade some that Brexit isn’t such a bad thing. I am prepared to be open minded, but some facts would really help."...how hard can it really be to recognise & tell the truth? | |||
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" I see ukip have had a 50 % surge in membership since tommy has become the poster boy.. UKIP are the brexit party are they not?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right Nigel Farage's new Brexit party has also had a surge in membership. Will be joining Nigel's party myself if Brexit doesn't happen. And Farage and his new party aren’t far right?Farage is not far right,he simply wants us out of the EU that is not left or right" Who would you consider to be far right? | |||
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" I see ukip have had a 50 % surge in membership since tommy has become the poster boy.. UKIP are the brexit party are they not?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right Nigel Farage's new Brexit party has also had a surge in membership. Will be joining Nigel's party myself if Brexit doesn't happen. And Farage and his new party aren’t far right?Farage is not far right,he simply wants us out of the EU that is not left or right Who would you consider to be far right?" If we start labelling UKIP far right, what are we going to call fascists or other totalitarian states such as north korea or Iran? Really far right? | |||
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" I see ukip have had a 50 % surge in membership since tommy has become the poster boy.. UKIP are the brexit party are they not?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right Nigel Farage's new Brexit party has also had a surge in membership. Will be joining Nigel's party myself if Brexit doesn't happen. And Farage and his new party aren’t far right?Farage is not far right,he simply wants us out of the EU that is not left or right Who would you consider to be far right? If we start labelling UKIP far right, what are we going to call fascists or other totalitarian states such as north korea or Iran? Really far right?" It's just a label, far right obviously has negative connotation though. Just wondering what your opinion was. Totalitarian doesn't have to be "far right". For example Pol Pot in cambodia. But to answer your question, the ruling party in Iran are centrist, and North Korea is a communist dictatorship. Neither of which are far right. UKIP attract the same types as EDL, BNP etc, their policies are further to the right of the Tories, they fit some, but not all of the general criteria of a far right party. So it's not an unfair label. | |||
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" I see ukip have had a 50 % surge in membership since tommy has become the poster boy.. UKIP are the brexit party are they not?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right Nigel Farage's new Brexit party has also had a surge in membership. Will be joining Nigel's party myself if Brexit doesn't happen. And Farage and his new party aren’t far right?Farage is not far right,he simply wants us out of the EU that is not left or right Who would you consider to be far right? If we start labelling UKIP far right, what are we going to call fascists or other totalitarian states such as north korea or Iran? Really far right? It's just a label, far right obviously has negative connotation though. Just wondering what your opinion was. Totalitarian doesn't have to be "far right". For example Pol Pot in cambodia. But to answer your question, the ruling party in Iran are centrist, and North Korea is a communist dictatorship. Neither of which are far right. UKIP attract the same types as EDL, BNP etc, their policies are further to the right of the Tories, they fit some, but not all of the general criteria of a far right party. So it's not an unfair label." Hmmm, maybe you don't understand totalitarianism. That's fine. So if ukip become far right, what are we going to label the greens or momentum? Are we just going to keep the "loony left" label? | |||
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" I see ukip have had a 50 % surge in membership since tommy has become the poster boy.. UKIP are the brexit party are they not?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right Nigel Farage's new Brexit party has also had a surge in membership. Will be joining Nigel's party myself if Brexit doesn't happen. And Farage and his new party aren’t far right?Farage is not far right,he simply wants us out of the EU that is not left or right Who would you consider to be far right? If we start labelling UKIP far right, what are we going to call fascists or other totalitarian states such as north korea or Iran? Really far right? It's just a label, far right obviously has negative connotation though. Just wondering what your opinion was. Totalitarian doesn't have to be "far right". For example Pol Pot in cambodia. But to answer your question, the ruling party in Iran are centrist, and North Korea is a communist dictatorship. Neither of which are far right. UKIP attract the same types as EDL, BNP etc, their policies are further to the right of the Tories, they fit some, but not all of the general criteria of a far right party. So it's not an unfair label. Hmmm, maybe you don't understand totalitarianism. That's fine. So if ukip become far right, what are we going to label the greens or momentum? Are we just going to keep the "loony left" label?" Totalitarianism is not the same thing as far right. They're different concepts. Momentum are a union, and the greens are concerned with the environment and climate change. I don't object to you using terms like "loony left". It says more about the person using the label than it does about those organisations. Far right is a way to describe a political ideology. Loony left is intended as an insult. | |||
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" I see ukip have had a 50 % surge in membership since tommy has become the poster boy.. UKIP are the brexit party are they not?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right Nigel Farage's new Brexit party has also had a surge in membership. Will be joining Nigel's party myself if Brexit doesn't happen. And Farage and his new party aren’t far right?Farage is not far right,he simply wants us out of the EU that is not left or right Who would you consider to be far right? If we start labelling UKIP far right, what are we going to call fascists or other totalitarian states such as north korea or Iran? Really far right? It's just a label, far right obviously has negative connotation though. Just wondering what your opinion was. Totalitarian doesn't have to be "far right". For example Pol Pot in cambodia. But to answer your question, the ruling party in Iran are centrist, and North Korea is a communist dictatorship. Neither of which are far right. UKIP attract the same types as EDL, BNP etc, their policies are further to the right of the Tories, they fit some, but not all of the general criteria of a far right party. So it's not an unfair label. Hmmm, maybe you don't understand totalitarianism. That's fine. So if ukip become far right, what are we going to label the greens or momentum? Are we just going to keep the "loony left" label?" When kippers become far right.??? Even farage says they've gone so far right theyve fallen off the edge . The greens are already considered left of labour because saving the only home we've ever known us loony left. It's like Frankie Boyles comment on nuclear weapons.Corbyn is an extremist for refusing to launch nuclear weapons but May is rational to be ok with heating up a 100 million civilians to a temperature where their shadows catch fire. | |||
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" I see ukip have had a 50 % surge in membership since tommy has become the poster boy.. UKIP are the brexit party are they not?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right Nigel Farage's new Brexit party has also had a surge in membership. Will be joining Nigel's party myself if Brexit doesn't happen. And Farage and his new party aren’t far right?Farage is not far right,he simply wants us out of the EU that is not left or right Who would you consider to be far right? If we start labelling UKIP far right, what are we going to call fascists or other totalitarian states such as north korea or Iran? Really far right? It's just a label, far right obviously has negative connotation though. Just wondering what your opinion was. Totalitarian doesn't have to be "far right". For example Pol Pot in cambodia. But to answer your question, the ruling party in Iran are centrist, and North Korea is a communist dictatorship. Neither of which are far right. UKIP attract the same types as EDL, BNP etc, their policies are further to the right of the Tories, they fit some, but not all of the general criteria of a far right party. So it's not an unfair label. Hmmm, maybe you don't understand totalitarianism. That's fine. So if ukip become far right, what are we going to label the greens or momentum? Are we just going to keep the "loony left" label? When kippers become far right.??? Even farage says they've gone so far right theyve fallen off the edge . The greens are already considered left of labour because saving the only home we've ever known us loony left. It's like Frankie Boyles comment on nuclear weapons.Corbyn is an extremist for refusing to launch nuclear weapons but May is rational to be ok with heating up a 100 million civilians to a temperature where their shadows catch fire. "Its a deterrent but its not if you say you would never use it.Dont you think the India Pakistan problem would have escalated if it wasnt for the fact they both have nucular weapons? | |||
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" I see ukip have had a 50 % surge in membership since tommy has become the poster boy.. UKIP are the brexit party are they not?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right Nigel Farage's new Brexit party has also had a surge in membership. Will be joining Nigel's party myself if Brexit doesn't happen. And Farage and his new party aren’t far right?Farage is not far right,he simply wants us out of the EU that is not left or right Who would you consider to be far right? If we start labelling UKIP far right, what are we going to call fascists or other totalitarian states such as north korea or Iran? Really far right? It's just a label, far right obviously has negative connotation though. Just wondering what your opinion was. Totalitarian doesn't have to be "far right". For example Pol Pot in cambodia. But to answer your question, the ruling party in Iran are centrist, and North Korea is a communist dictatorship. Neither of which are far right. UKIP attract the same types as EDL, BNP etc, their policies are further to the right of the Tories, they fit some, but not all of the general criteria of a far right party. So it's not an unfair label. Hmmm, maybe you don't understand totalitarianism. That's fine. So if ukip become far right, what are we going to label the greens or momentum? Are we just going to keep the "loony left" label? When kippers become far right.??? Even farage says they've gone so far right theyve fallen off the edge . The greens are already considered left of labour because saving the only home we've ever known us loony left. It's like Frankie Boyles comment on nuclear weapons.Corbyn is an extremist for refusing to launch nuclear weapons but May is rational to be ok with heating up a 100 million civilians to a temperature where their shadows catch fire. Its a deterrent but its not if you say you would never use it.Dont you think the India Pakistan problem would have escalated if it wasnt for the fact they both have nucular weapons? "Not enough room on the thread for a discussion on the effectiveness of trident.As you can guess I've been a life long advocate of nuclear disarmament. So back to Mary wanting to bring the new alternative right parties to the centre by pushing the definition of far right to only neo nazis .Which has always been the agenda of the alt right .So they can legitimise a racist ethno nationalist movement into the mainstream. | |||
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" I see ukip have had a 50 % surge in membership since tommy has become the poster boy.. UKIP are the brexit party are they not?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right Nigel Farage's new Brexit party has also had a surge in membership. Will be joining Nigel's party myself if Brexit doesn't happen. And Farage and his new party aren’t far right?Farage is not far right,he simply wants us out of the EU that is not left or right Who would you consider to be far right? If we start labelling UKIP far right, what are we going to call fascists or other totalitarian states such as north korea or Iran? Really far right? It's just a label, far right obviously has negative connotation though. Just wondering what your opinion was. Totalitarian doesn't have to be "far right". For example Pol Pot in cambodia. But to answer your question, the ruling party in Iran are centrist, and North Korea is a communist dictatorship. Neither of which are far right. UKIP attract the same types as EDL, BNP etc, their policies are further to the right of the Tories, they fit some, but not all of the general criteria of a far right party. So it's not an unfair label. Hmmm, maybe you don't understand totalitarianism. That's fine. So if ukip become far right, what are we going to label the greens or momentum? Are we just going to keep the "loony left" label? Totalitarianism is not the same thing as far right. They're different concepts. Momentum are a union, and the greens are concerned with the environment and climate change. I don't object to you using terms like "loony left". It says more about the person using the label than it does about those organisations. " Exactly how most feel when we here ukip or leave means leave described as "far right". They're not. They're right wing at best, as the Tories are right of centre. I'm sure the traditional labour voters who voted leave wouldn't be impressed being labelled far right. Labelling something extreme right or left immediately removes it's credibility as an ideology. The exact problem the green party has suffered since it's inception. They're the "loony left", no more credible than the BNP or EDL to the mainstream. | |||
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" I see ukip have had a 50 % surge in membership since tommy has become the poster boy.. UKIP are the brexit party are they not?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right Nigel Farage's new Brexit party has also had a surge in membership. Will be joining Nigel's party myself if Brexit doesn't happen. And Farage and his new party aren’t far right?Farage is not far right,he simply wants us out of the EU that is not left or right Who would you consider to be far right? If we start labelling UKIP far right, what are we going to call fascists or other totalitarian states such as north korea or Iran? Really far right? It's just a label, far right obviously has negative connotation though. Just wondering what your opinion was. Totalitarian doesn't have to be "far right". For example Pol Pot in cambodia. But to answer your question, the ruling party in Iran are centrist, and North Korea is a communist dictatorship. Neither of which are far right. UKIP attract the same types as EDL, BNP etc, their policies are further to the right of the Tories, they fit some, but not all of the general criteria of a far right party. So it's not an unfair label. Hmmm, maybe you don't understand totalitarianism. That's fine. So if ukip become far right, what are we going to label the greens or momentum? Are we just going to keep the "loony left" label? Totalitarianism is not the same thing as far right. They're different concepts. Momentum are a union, and the greens are concerned with the environment and climate change. I don't object to you using terms like "loony left". It says more about the person using the label than it does about those organisations. Exactly how most feel when we here ukip or leave means leave described as "far right". They're not. They're right wing at best, as the Tories are right of centre. I'm sure the traditional labour voters who voted leave wouldn't be impressed being labelled far right. Labelling something extreme right or left immediately removes it's credibility as an ideology. The exact problem the green party has suffered since it's inception. They're the "loony left", no more credible than the BNP or EDL to the mainstream. " Leave means Leave are not even a right wing organisation, never mind far right. As you point out Leave means Leave have many Labour supporters. Labour MP's like Kate Hoey and Graham Stringer speak at many Leave means Leave meetings and are leading figures of the Leave means Leave campaign. Leave means Leave has a broad support base across the whole of the political spectrum. | |||
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"Well said." It's the elephant in the room mate . Only the wilfully ignorant choose to ignore the racist and ethno nationalist element inherent in all alternative right parties.As even they know it to be unpalatable to decent people. It's all about definition and control and rebranding racism. | |||
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""Far right" is becoming normalised by left wing liberals. Soon it just won't raise an eye brow. Pro leave protest march = Far right. Skin head kicking over Jewish head stones = Far right. Homosexual being thrown off a building = Far right. " You seem to be confusing violence, homophobia and other issues with the far right issue. As mentioned, there has been a long and steady campaign to move the far right to centre right in order to normalise their stances on issues. And it’s working. | |||
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""Far right" is becoming normalised by left wing liberals. Soon it just won't raise an eye brow. Pro leave protest march = Far right. Skin head kicking over Jewish head stones = Far right. Homosexual being thrown off a building = Far right. " Very true just like the skinhead culture of the late sixties was taken over by the bnp in the 70-80s .Originally they were not racist there was a lot of black skinheads and skinhesd music was reggae.It is very easy for extremists to take over and if you generate enough news it becomes normal. | |||
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"Just what the world needs more hate marches." Ridiculous. | |||
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"Haha so they have to pay to get people to show up to the far right marches these days? Brilliant stuff. Should be a fun day for the fash." Ridiculous. | |||
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"Do the far right have to bring their own swastika flags and burning torches or will they be provided... "Nice one bob, i see you jumped on the band wagon. | |||
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"Do the far right have to bring their own swastika flags and burning torches or will they be provided...
I assume the provided hats, gloves, t-shirts etc are branded appropriately "Etc etc. | |||
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