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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

Genuine question, I have struggled over the past 3 years trying to understand the upside. Could someone help me?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This should be amusing

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

It reduces the number of Europeans (white) coming to this country and replaces them with Asians and Africans (non whites) which is exactly the opposite of what UKIP/EDL and their white nationalist/racist supporters and fellow travelers hoped to get.

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By *bandjam91Couple over a year ago

London

"Genuine question, I have struggled over the past 3 years trying to understand the upside. Could someone help me?"

Brexit, huh, yeah

What is it good for?

Absolutely nothing

Say it again

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nothing, justice for northen ireland

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Genuine question, I have struggled over the past 3 years trying to understand the upside. Could someone help me?"

Why don't you try reading the 1001 other threads where this has been explained to remainers ad nauseum umpteen times, and yet no matter how many times leavers explain it you still continue to ask the same question.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"It reduces the number of Europeans (white) coming to this country and replaces them with Asians and Africans (non whites) which is exactly the opposite of what UKIP/EDL and their white nationalist/racist supporters and fellow travelers hoped to get."

Is that why you voted Leave Will?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Genuine question, I have struggled over the past 3 years trying to understand the upside. Could someone help me?

Because these are stupid and senseless answers.Wondering how stupid are people who have undergone manipulation and lies and voted for brexit. The leavers can not explain anything, just like your heroes.

Mr A

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

one advatange is that it highlights the question as to why there is a British border on the island of Ireland?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Genuine question, I have struggled over the past 3 years trying to understand the upside. Could someone help me?

Mr A "

Remainers fell for manipulation and lies, you thought there would be a deep and Immediate recession, a 20% drop in house prices, and half a million job losses following a vote to leave all predicted by the remain project fear machine. You must have felt pretty stupid when none of that happened.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"Remainers fell for manipulation and lies, you thought there would be a deep and Immediate recession, a 20% drop in house prices, and half a million job losses following a vote to leave all predicted by the remain project fear machine. You must have felt pretty stupid when none of that happened. "

Really?

I was always under the impression that those forecasts were predicated on the assumption that CallMePigFuckerDave was going to keep his word and invoke Article 50 the day after the referendum as he said he would do up until the result was announced.

No I know you and I disagree about many things Centy bu you have to admit that if you fundamentally change the conditions that have been used to make predictions then those predictions can no longer be valid.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

Really?

No, they were based on us merely 'voting to leave'....but even so, it has now been 2 years since triggering article 50.....

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"Genuine question, I have struggled over the past 3 years trying to understand the upside. Could someone help me?"

There are none, zilch, bugger all

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

And still nobody has been able to give a single instance of any benefit to come that is worth even just the paltry £20 billion or so that has already been spent from direct funds. That's money that is just gone, evaporated, in postponing the economic slide. Money that is no longer available for spending on health, infrastructure, benefits...

For what? Somebody tell me. Anything. Just a single item.

Don't say sovereignty, because we had that already and post brexit will have less of it.

Please don't say blue passports, we could have changed our passport colour any time we liked, it was our goverment asked for red not Europe telling us it had to be red.

Don't say immigration, we always had legal mechanisms to control that, but successive governments chose not to.

Come on, anything, someone please tell me.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"No, they were based on us merely 'voting to leave'....but even so, it has now been 2 years since triggering article 50....."

And the above post perfectly highlights the disconnect between the 2 sides of this debate and why one side has spent the last year demonizing the other. The sad thing is that as this slow-motion car crash takes place in front of us all one side still refuses to acknowledge that there is even a possibility that anything could go wrong except when they are attempting to blame the other side for any potential harm brexit could do to the country or peace in Ireland or international relations.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

28 days to go and still no sign of unicorns.

Only reassurances that we survived the blitz, we can survive this blah blah.

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple over a year ago

Dudley

"28 days to go and still no sign of unicorns.

Only reassurances that we survived the blitz, we can survive this blah blah.

You are a great one from evoking warhood memories you don't have!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Genuine question, I have struggled over the past 3 years trying to understand the upside. Could someone help me?

And not one genuine bonafide benefit has ever been posted up.

Anything you posted as a “benefit” was immediately debunked within seconds.

And I see now your argument is - it’s not as bad as some predictions suggested it would be. That doesn’t count as a benefit.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Genuine question, I have struggled over the past 3 years trying to understand the upside. Could someone help me?

Most of it has been waffle, vacuous piffle or just plain old lies based upon distortion of the actual facts..

Oh and massive deflection from your good self to evade answering..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Genuine question, I have struggled over the past 3 years trying to understand the upside. Could someone help me?

Mr A

You do love a good old generalisation

I believed nothing of the lies and bullshit either side spouted.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No, they were based on us merely 'voting to leave'....but even so, it has now been 2 years since triggering article 50....."

Do you not believe that the fiscal policy of the billions the Bank of England pumped into the economy didn't change the potential for some of those issues?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is and will be more benefits to Brexit as we go.

Immigration.

I do understand the issues of freedom of movement. While many industries and sectors benefit from a larger pool of labour there's nothing stopping people applying to come here if they have a job lined up already.

I won't be sorry to see FOM go if it does.

There's sections of the Fisheries policy I do not like.

Been in full control of our free trade potential is good but that has to be balanced against will we get FTA's as good as a single nation as we currently get as a bloc.

I don't buy into this empowering sovereignty rubbish. Any agreement between countries and organisations effects your over all level of sovereignty to some extent.

The level of Brexit bullshit when it comes to WTO trade is just astounding.

The Brexit mantra of leave on WTO trade rules because WTO is great and it enables us to trade with the whole world.

We can and in many cases do trade with the world on WTO rules but it's a lot more expensive than free trade agreements. So leaving to trade on WTO is just bloody nonsensical backwardness.

Like everything, there's good and bad points but when totting up both I still don't see how Brexit outweighs the negatives of it's self.

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By *oghunter33Woman over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

It's a bit like an aeroplane with no wings, it will never fly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m afraid there really are no benefits for us in Britain to speak of.

The US has always resented European nations finding strength in union as it knocked them off top spot. Larger economies have the ability to push unfavourable trade deals onto smaller ones. Being a member of the EU - a larger economy than the US, enabled us to say NO! The Americans don’t like hearing that word. So they forumulated a plan to weaken the EU, gain a new market in Britain and simultaneously swerve EU anti-tax avoidance directives introduced in 2019 to boot.

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

"It's a bit like an aeroplane with no wings, it will never fly. "
dont talk tripe

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By *ony 2016Man over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

Isn't brexit going to bring an extra £350million every week to our N.H.S ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Isn't brexit going to bring an extra £350million every week to our N.H.S ?"

Haha good one!

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS over a year ago

Stockport

I wonder how many cancer patients could have been treated earlier and how many hip replacements could have been done with the money that we've burned on brexit over the last two years?

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"Genuine question, I have struggled over the past 3 years trying to understand the upside. Could someone help me?

And not one genuine bonafide benefit has ever been posted up.

Anything you posted as a “benefit” was immediately debunked within seconds.

And I see now your argument is - it’s not as bad as some predictions suggested it would be. That doesn’t count as a benefit."

This whole fiasco has seen a recalibration of the concepts of positive and negative and success and failure. If we dont all starve to death and if the impacts arent as bad as they might have been, this can all be hailed as positive and successful. The lowering of expectations and the willingness of people to accept a fuck up is frightening

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By *obmarieCouple over a year ago

Mid Wales& Border

That's a good one! The US gaining a new market in the U.K. They did that in the forties. As for Brexit and any benifits only time will tell.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We now have a (possibly expensive) insurance policy against some “worst case” EU outcomes, most of which we had some insurance against already.

We can pull the drawbridge completely on immigration. Just in case infinite number of Eu citizens want to come in.

We don’t have to accept into law any directive we don’t like. Although we are now away from the table.

We can reduce taxes bv less than 1% (assuming there’s not a reduction which needs an offset)

We won’t need to send our boys into any EU army.

We won’t be forced into the euro.

Most of these stuff won’t bite. Or we had influence over. Or vetos. But hey, project fear.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I see this as a benefit. I employ about 50 casual labourers during fruit picking season. Asian women are excellent for soft-fruit picking because of their dexterity and patience - I can also pay them less than Eastern Europeans. This means I can buy more good whisky, the profits of which go back into the economy. I'm also guessing that "skivvy" labour will be cheaper - Brits with no jobs will be begging me to let them clean the shit from my drains for £5 p/h, on a self-employed basis, obviously! So that's two wins for a Brit

I voted remain, but hey - when life gives you lemons, make lemonade. Or raspberryade, which I'll be able to make more profit from

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That's a good one! The US gaining a new market in the U.K. They did that in the forties. As for Brexit and any benifits only time will tell."

There are many products that the US would like to sell to us that we will not accept currently as they are banned in the EU for various (good) reasons.

Without the protection we had from being a member of the largest market in the world, US corporations will be able to lean on our government, influence policy formation and enact laws which protect them at British society’s expense. At which point they’ll have free reign to sell their shit on our shelves, reduce our rights as people, workers, customers and scrap environmental regs leading to increased pollution and damage to our health.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So actual benefits.

Some rich lads can avoid paying taxes. That’ll benefit them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So actual benefits.

Some rich lads can avoid paying taxes. That’ll benefit them.

But that means having more disposable income to spend on British-made products, like whisky and first-class travel. That's more VAT cash into the coffers. Surely that's a win for the country?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Project fear? With everything we know now you have to kidding.

The Americans have illegally interfered in our democracy for their own interests and have managed to persuade us to vote to shoot ourselves in both feet. They own a third of our mainstream media - and SCL / Cambridge Analytica / AIQ that were found guilty of breaching UK data protection laws during the EU referendum campaign - undermining our democratic process.

I would advise anyone who still thinks leaving is in Britain’s best interests, to watch the full 3+ hour disclosure by Chris Wylie the Cambridge Analytica whistleblower.

Here’s a link -

https://youtu.be/X5g6IJm7YJQ

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

So must shit here,I have given my reasons a hundred times as to why I voted leave and not the remainers nasty vindictive racist clap trap the remainers come out with.

You keep dicusting me even more and beginning to think that remainers have very low intelligence at least many on here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So must shit here,I have given my reasons a hundred times as to why I voted leave and not the remainers nasty vindictive racist clap trap the remainers come out with.

You keep dicusting me even more and beginning to think that remainers have very low intelligence at least many on here."

You're absolutely correct. I voted remain, but have many times expressed my shame at being on the "same side" as some of the nastier remoaners that seem to infest these forums. As a remain voter, and on their behalf, I apologise.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"So actual benefits.

Some rich lads can avoid paying taxes. That’ll benefit them.

But that means having more disposable income to spend on British-made products, like whisky and first-class travel. That's more VAT cash into the coffers. Surely that's a win for the country?"

An economy booms when local people have the cash to spend in their local economy. That money recycles around and around consistently generating tax revenue as it flows.

Rich people buy houses abroad and try to hide their cash so it does not actually get used within the UK economy.

Ordinary people who have cash spend it locally and the reason that the economies north of Watford are struggling is because ordinary people have been short of disposable cash for the last decade or so.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Project fear? With everything we know now you have to kidding.

I would advise anyone who still thinks leaving is in Britain’s best interests, to watch the full 3+ hour disclosure by Chris Wylie the Cambridge Analytica whistleblower.

Here’s a link -

https://youtu.be/X5g6IJm7YJQ

Well this is a new one, the remoaners on here usually blame the Russians.

And besides didn't President Obama come over here and tell us all we better vote remain like good little children otherwise we'd be at the back of his queue for a trade deal (he didn't reckon on Trump being elected at that stage, lol). Based on Obama's comments surely the USA preferred we remain?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So must shit here,I have given my reasons a hundred times as to why I voted leave and not the remainers nasty vindictive racist clap trap the remainers come out with.

You keep dicusting me even more and beginning to think that remainers have very low intelligence at least many on here."

Who is disgusting you?

I don’t care if you’re a racist or not. That’s your choice either way. I have never seen or heard of you before to call you anything, let alone racist. My concern is the monumental fuck up that some of my fellow countrymen have made off the back of US corporate interference in our democratic system.

If you don’t know, you don’t know, but please keep your personal attacks to yourself because it makes you look like the one with “very low intelligence” and is just plain rude.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So must shit here,I have given my reasons a hundred times as to why I voted leave and not the remainers nasty vindictive racist clap trap the remainers come out with.

You keep dicusting me even more and beginning to think that remainers have very low intelligence at least many on here.

Who is disgusting you?

If you don’t know, you don’t know, but please keep your personal attacks to yourself because it makes you look like the one with “very low intelligence” and is just plain rude.

Pay no heed. Emmablu said some of the most vile hateful I’ve read in a long time. Attacking anyone whose views are different, suggested remainers should be spat on. All kinds of stuff.

Back to the point though. Still no one has been able to give even one solid benefit to Brexit. Not “why I voted leave”, that’s clearly a different thing. But just one positive for the uk, not even a list, not the most important benefit. Just one single example would do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So must shit here,I have given my reasons a hundred times as to why I voted leave and not the remainers nasty vindictive racist clap trap the remainers come out with.

You keep dicusting me even more and beginning to think that remainers have very low intelligence at least many on here.

Who is disgusting you?

If you don’t know, you don’t know, but please keep your personal attacks to yourself because it makes you look like the one with “very low intelligence” and is just plain rude.

Pay no heed. Emmablu said some of the most vile hateful I’ve read in a long time. Attacking anyone whose views are different, suggested remainers should be spat on. All kinds of stuff.

I've given two reasons above, and I didn't even vote to leave

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So must shit here,I have given my reasons a hundred times as to why I voted leave and not the remainers nasty vindictive racist clap trap the remainers come out with.

You keep dicusting me even more and beginning to think that remainers have very low intelligence at least many on here.

Who is disgusting you?

If you don’t know, you don’t know, but please keep your personal attacks to yourself because it makes you look like the one with “very low intelligence” and is just plain rude.

Pay no heed. Emmablu said some of the most vile hateful I’ve read in a long time. Attacking anyone whose views are different, suggested remainers should be spat on. All kinds of stuff.

I've given two reasons above, and I didn't even vote to leave

So one of the benefits is that you can drink more whiskey because you can exploit your workers

And the other one is that a small number of ultra rich people who can avoid paying taxes (thus having a negative impact on the economy), might decide to spend some of their extra cash on British made stuff, generating a very small amount of VAT (potential, and unlikely bery small positive impact on the economy).

I can safely say that these are not benefits for the uk. For normal people, for society.

The reason I didn’t reply to these before is that I assumed you were being ironic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So must shit here,I have given my reasons a hundred times as to why I voted leave and not the remainers nasty vindictive racist clap trap the remainers come out with.

You keep dicusting me even more and beginning to think that remainers have very low intelligence at least many on here.

Who is disgusting you?

If you don’t know, you don’t know, but please keep your personal attacks to yourself because it makes you look like the one with “very low intelligence” and is just plain rude.

Pay no heed. Emmablu said some of the most vile hateful I’ve read in a long time. Attacking anyone whose views are different, suggested remainers should be spat on. All kinds of stuff.

I've given two reasons above, and I didn't even vote to leave

So one of the benefits is that you can drink more whiskey because you can exploit your workers

I can safely say that these are not benefits for the uk. For normal people, for society.

The reason I didn’t reply to these before is that I assumed you were being ironic. "

Whisky without the "e" which is scotch, not whiskey which is usually Irish and is always horrible filth (nothing against the Irish there, just your "whiskey"

). You asked for examples, I gave them. The extra VAT I pay and the jobs I'll inevitably have to give to other British workers are benefits to the country, no matter how small. If the UK doesn't leave, I'll have to pay Eastern Europeans a higher wage for less work so even though I voted for remain, leaving makes me higher profits and I'm British, I pay taxes to the British government - that's a benefit for Britain because of leave. Thanks guys

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So must shit here,I have given my reasons a hundred times as to why I voted leave and not the remainers nasty vindictive racist clap trap the remainers come out with.

You keep dicusting me even more and beginning to think that remainers have very low intelligence at least many on here.

Who is disgusting you?

If you don’t know, you don’t know, but please keep your personal attacks to yourself because it makes you look like the one with “very low intelligence” and is just plain rude.

Pay no heed. Emmablu said some of the most vile hateful I’ve read in a long time. Attacking anyone whose views are different, suggested remainers should be spat on. All kinds of stuff.

I've given two reasons above, and I didn't even vote to leave

So one of the benefits is that you can drink more whiskey because you can exploit your workers

I can safely say that these are not benefits for the uk. For normal people, for society.

The reason I didn’t reply to these before is that I assumed you were being ironic.

Whisky without the "e" which is scotch, not whiskey which is usually Irish and is always horrible filth (nothing against the Irish there, just your "whiskey"

Okay but does anyone have an actual benefit that’s spread further than you?

And good info on whiskey/whisky. I did not know that.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

"Genuine question, I have struggled over the past 3 years trying to understand the upside. Could someone help me?"

So we left this for 20 hours and got nothing as a benefit - it is kind of telling really.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Project fear? With everything we know now you have to kidding.

I would advise anyone who still thinks leaving is in Britain’s best interests, to watch the full 3+ hour disclosure by Chris Wylie the Cambridge Analytica whistleblower.

Here’s a link -

https://youtu.be/X5g6IJm7YJQ

Well this is a new one, the remoaners on here usually blame the Russians.

You can clearly see the hand of corporate America guiding us to leave the EU, regardless of what an ex President may have once said.

SCL - Where are they? Who are they?

They are the (North American) parent company of ‘Cambridge Analytica’. They ARE ‘Cambridge Analytica’.

I shouldn’t need to remind anyone what part Cambridge Analytica played in the EU referendum. I’ve provided a link above for anyone who may find it helpful.

Rupert Murdoch - an Australian / American who owns a large proportion of our media, also encouraged the electorate into voting leave - often by inciting hatred towards migrants and piggy backing immigration as an ‘EU problem’ - which it really is not.

This is obviously why some leavers are labelled racist or nationalist.

Doesn’t mean all are. I know very well that some did not vote leave because of any prejudice, but the fact remains that many did unfortunately. Would be interesting to know what the result would have been minus those who voted leave motivated by their nationalism / racism. Can’t imagine we’d be leaving now myself.

Even if we couldn’t see the American Corporate hand, we should already be in full acknowledgment of the parties which benefit from the shrinking of the EU and the isolation of the UK.

‘Fall back onto WTO terms’ many leavers suggest. This itself highlighting their ignorance.

Noam Chomsky summarised the WTO’s purpose from a US corporate perspective back in 1997 -

“1. A new tool for far-reaching US intervention into the internal affairs of others;

2. The takeover of a crucial sector of foreign economies by US-based corporations;

3. Benefits for business sectors and the wealthy;

4. Shifting costs to the general population;

5. New and potentially powerful weapons against the threat of democracy.”

So for those leavers who talk about British sovereignty and making our own laws and regulations etc, whilst in the same breath saying we’ll be sweet reverting to WTO terms - it couldn’t be any more contradictory and allows you to understand they’ve made a mistake. Sadly one which will affect us all.