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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"At last a politician who talks send, seems to have charisma.
Congratulations to Chucka Umunna
Certainly they would get my full support ..
What do you think?"
I think it’s great. I probably lean centre right, but to me both parties have gone too far in their polar directions and a new party is desperately needed that isn’t as institutionally incompetent as the Lib Dem’s.
It concerns me that this party may solely be a one trick, Stop Brexit party. There is so much more in politics that needs sorting too. It could really do with a huge figure leading it, much in the mould of Tony Blair. Indeed I think he might be a welcome return to politics.
It’s interesting how much bile the Labour Party is directing at them. I get the impression they’re worried.
Interesting times. |
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By *tella Heels OP TV/TS
over a year ago
west here ford shire |
"Totally agree except not Tony Bliar
He brings too many issues to any political party
A dodgy dossier seems tame compared to what’s gone on!"
True, but why taint something new and bright
Chuka has the charisma and looks of Obama |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Fucking snakes the lot of them!
First the squatter MPs set themselves up as a private company (Gemini A Limited - number 11770529 - look them up) rather than a political party so they can hide their finances from scrutiny by the Electoral Commission, evade revealing who is bankrolling them, and maintain a cloak of secrecy over how and where they spend their funds.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Totally agree except not Tony Bliar
He brings too many issues to any political party
A dodgy dossier seems tame compared to what’s gone on!
True, but why taint something new and bright
Chuka has the charisma and looks of Obama "
I find him a bit wish washy. I think Sarah Wollaston or Heidi Allen may be better, but then that’s because I’m right centrist.
What is interesting is how little people are talking about this, unless you seek out political forums. It just shows how jaded people are. I bet the next General Election will be one of the lowest turn outs ever. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Chuka is an extraordinary self-serving chameleon of a politician. Before David Cameron and the Tories even called the EU referendum Umunna was a vocal opponent of Freedom of Movement, and then after the referendum he vehemently opposed a 2nd referendum on the final deal, and even argued that Britain should quit the Single Market.
But once Umunna saw the anti-Brexit movement as a useful vehicle for attacking the Labour leadership and furthering his own career he conducted a polar political switch to pro-EU radicalism!
Then there's the nonsense about anti-Semitism. Chuka Umunna was one of the MPs who sat on the Home Affairs Select Committee that called for clarifications of the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism and declared that "no reliable, empirical evidence to support the notion that there is a higher prevalence of antisemitic attitudes within the Labour Party than any other political party".
None of this stopped Umunna later attacking Labour for proposing the IHRA clarifications that his own committee admitted the need for, and describing the party as "institutionally racist".
The only thing that's reliable about Chuka Umunna's political positioning is that he'll abandon it in an instant if he thinks it's in his personal advantage to do so. |
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By *W_RedMan
over a year ago
Manchester |
They can't be trusted. The timing stinks too. Just a bunch of remoaners trying to cause trouble. I do think we need a new political party though. This currently is just a small pack of a few labour and tory rebels with no leader. They have a long way to go before doing anything meaningful. And I also think each one should stand in a by-election |
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By *tella Heels OP TV/TS
over a year ago
west here ford shire |
"All a bit too late to stop Brexit I fear.
Get ready to “crash” out. "
This is a scary position we are in, Nissan and Honda are just the beginning
The manufacturing industry will be decimated as Europe will resource most product within the Eu |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Macron came from no-where in France to position himself as the voice of moderation against extremism.
The Conservative Party appears hijacked by its UKIP fringe and Labour has a problem with the perception of its leader as being too far to the left.
I don’t know what this group stands for, though.
I imagine this is the first step towards creating a new movement for moderates.
Can it capture the centre ground like Macron, or will it split the left/centre vote without drawing in the soft right from the Conservative Party?
Much will depend on who steps forward to lead it. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Fucking snakes the lot of them!
First the squatter MPs set themselves up as a private company (Gemini A Limited - number 11770529 - look them up) rather than a political party so they can hide their finances from scrutiny by the Electoral Commission, evade revealing who is bankrolling them, and maintain a cloak of secrecy over how and where they spend their funds.
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They aren't a political party yet, do don't have to publish details of their finances.
They are just a group of Independent MPs. |
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The politics of the Erg and Momentum will attract their own support but our politics has been the centre ground with a slant either side for the last 40 years..
It is where the parties need to appeal to gain power so this new group may well be the beginnings of that, a rejection of the far right and left..
It may amount to nothing more than an anti Brexit reaction by some but the main parties will take note and possibly ignore at their peril.. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Fucking snakes the lot of them!
First the squatter MPs set themselves up as a private company (Gemini A Limited - number 11770529 - look them up) rather than a political party so they can hide their finances from scrutiny by the Electoral Commission, evade revealing who is bankrolling them, and maintain a cloak of secrecy over how and where they spend their funds.
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I listened to the channel 4 news podcast yesterday with chukka and he sad they will be transparent and release where all the money is coming from.. but because they are not a political party as such at the moment it was set up as a company so they could get bank accounts and such....
I am more centrist or centre left. but I have a huge political crush on Heidi Allen at the moment |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Ian Austin MP has just quit Labour but hasn't joined the Independent Group yet."
Not surprised.... he is more of a pragmatic remainer than someone who wants a 2nd referendum... he may end up there eventually but on this issue he would not be with the other 11 |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Fucking snakes the lot of them!
First the squatter MPs set themselves up as a private company (Gemini A Limited - number 11770529 - look them up) rather than a political party so they can hide their finances from scrutiny by the Electoral Commission, evade revealing who is bankrolling them, and maintain a cloak of secrecy over how and where they spend their funds.
I listened to the channel 4 news podcast yesterday with chukka and he sad they will be transparent and release where all the money is coming from.. but because they are not a political party as such at the moment it was set up as a company so they could get bank accounts and such....
I am more centrist or centre left. but I have a huge political crush on Heidi Allen at the moment "
Mines not just a political crush! MPs shouldn’t look that good! |
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"If the Tiggers are so keen on democracy, they should stand down and call by-elections for their seats, gives their constituents a chance to voice their opinions."
spot on.
If we all resigned from our jobs would we still expect to get paid.
What makes this motley crew think they are any different.
There is a good chance not many will win their seats back. So good riddence to them. If you aren't prepared to listen to your constituents then why should we listen to you. You are now on borrowed time |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Ian Austin MP has just quit Labour but hasn't joined the Independent Group yet.
Not surprised.... he is more of a pragmatic remainer than someone who wants a 2nd referendum... he may end up there eventually but on this issue he would not be with the other 11"
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He isn’t a Remainer at all is he? I thought that he was very supportive of his Dudley constituents who voted 70%+ for Brexit. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
The Labour separation appears driven primarily by the failure of the leadership to root out anti-semitism among the rank and file.
You know, those online warriors who see the world as a global Jewish conspiracy to impoverish the working classes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Labour separation appears driven primarily by the failure of the leadership to root out anti-semitism among the rank and file.
You know, those online warriors who see the world as a global Jewish conspiracy to impoverish the working classes."
I usually only here the global Jewish conspiracy from right wingers in this forum.Not naming and shaming but we all know who doubts the holocaust figure of millions in here...  |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
love to know where there getting there funding from would not be surprised if its got tony blairs hoove prints all over it and probably the prince of darkness mandleson is somewhere in the background |
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"If the Tiggers are so keen on democracy, they should stand down and call by-elections for their seats, gives their constituents a chance to voice their opinions."
 Agree.
None of these breakaway MP's has an ounce of integrity, if they're not prepared to call by elections.
They all say they want a 2nd EU referendum because the circumstances have changed since the vote, yet now the circumstances have changed for their constituents as they no longer stand for the manifestos they were elected on, they're not prepared to give their constituents a 2nd vote. Stinking hypocrites each and every one of them. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Ian Austin MP has just quit Labour but hasn't joined the Independent Group yet.
Not surprised.... he is more of a pragmatic remainer than someone who wants a 2nd referendum... he may end up there eventually but on this issue he would not be with the other 11
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He isn’t a Remainer at all is he? I thought that he was very supportive of his Dudley constituents who voted 70%+ for Brexit. "
he is one of the 3 labour mps who actually voted for TM's deal saying that he was respecting the wishes of his constituants....
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"The Labour separation appears driven primarily by the failure of the leadership to root out anti-semitism among the rank and file.
You know, those online warriors who see the world as a global Jewish conspiracy to impoverish the working classes."
Believe that if you like.
However, lots of Jewish members of the Labour party don't see it like that: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-crucial-ally-in-fight-against-antisemitism |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Macron came from no-where in France to position himself as the voice of moderation against extremism.
The Conservative Party appears hijacked by its UKIP fringe and Labour has a problem with the perception of its leader as being too far to the left.
I don’t know what this group stands for, though.
I imagine this is the first step towards creating a new movement for moderates.
Can it capture the centre ground like Macron, or will it split the left/centre vote without drawing in the soft right from the Conservative Party?
Much will depend on who steps forward to lead it."
Macron?
How's that currently working out for him?  |
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"Macron came from no-where in France to position himself as the voice of moderation against extremism.
The Conservative Party appears hijacked by its UKIP fringe and Labour has a problem with the perception of its leader as being too far to the left.
I don’t know what this group stands for, though.
I imagine this is the first step towards creating a new movement for moderates.
Can it capture the centre ground like Macron, or will it split the left/centre vote without drawing in the soft right from the Conservative Party?
Much will depend on who steps forward to lead it.
Macron?
How's that currently working out for him? "
Macron positioned himself as an anti establishment figure before his election .Yet he was finance minister.Which is the establishment ..
The public are lead easily.Youve just got to tell them what they want to hear..
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Another bunch of slimy politicians, if you quit the party you were elected for there should be a by - election but Umunna doesn't agree unsurprisingly. "
And here I was thinking he was a fan of second referendums.... |
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The conservatives have gone extreme right, labour are moderate left/centre. This new group is a disaffected group with Brexit in common - it's potentially a long way from being a party with shared values. There are people who inflicted misery onto millions, imposed benefit sanctions and massive income cuts onto the poor, disabled and others - not ideal partners to help the many, not the few that labour politicians wanted, unless they lied.
UK election rules need tactical voting often or major national shifts to get a party with a majority - these need time to establish and win after some narrow majorities for some of them. Many vote by party, not representative, so they could lose out. I respect their guts and some are outstanding
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"The Labour separation appears driven primarily by the failure of the leadership to root out anti-semitism among the rank and file.
You know, those online warriors who see the world as a global Jewish conspiracy to impoverish the working classes.
Believe that if you like.
However, lots of Jewish members of the Labour party don't see it like that: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-crucial-ally-in-fight-against-antisemitism"
I have no doubt that whatever Corbyn thinks of Israeli policy, he does not think of himself as anti-semitic.
As an individual, that’s fine.
As a leader, it seems he has not acted to root out those who are.
It’s about his leadership, or lack of. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Another bunch of slimy politicians, if you quit the party you were elected for there should be a by - election but Umunna doesn't agree unsurprisingly. "
It’s interesting. When I vote in general elections, I mostly vote for the party, the individual plays a part, but is rarely the deciding factor. Not everyone is the same though.
By-elections would be sensible. If MPs want to change allegiances without a by-election, they should wait until the next GE. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"The Labour separation appears driven primarily by the failure of the leadership to root out anti-semitism among the rank and file.
You know, those online warriors who see the world as a global Jewish conspiracy to impoverish the working classes.
Believe that if you like.
However, lots of Jewish members of the Labour party don't see it like that: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-crucial-ally-in-fight-against-antisemitism
I have no doubt that whatever Corbyn thinks of Israeli policy, he does not think of himself as anti-semitic.
As an individual, that’s fine.
As a leader, it seems he has not acted to root out those who are.
It’s about his leadership, or lack of."
Its interesting that you perceive that to be the case...
https://skwawkbox.org/2019/02/05/40-facts-about-labour-antisemitism-the-public-needs-to-know-and-isnt-being-told/
Of those a couple are a bit tenuous (to put it mildly), but still.... |
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"Another bunch of slimy politicians, if you quit the party you were elected for there should be a by - election but Umunna doesn't agree unsurprisingly.
It’s interesting. When I vote in general elections, I mostly vote for the party, the individual plays a part, but is rarely the deciding factor. Not everyone is the same though.
By-elections would be sensible. If MPs want to change allegiances without a by-election, they should wait until the next GE."
An MP is elected by the people to act in what they believe to be the best interests of the country and their constituents, not their party or their local constitutecy associations. The parties in this country already have far too much control and power over MPs in my opinion. Being able to vote against their party whip and if necessary refuses to take the party whip or even leave their party if they genuinely believe that their party is not acting in the best interests of the country or their constituents is the only real power MPs have. If their constituents don't like it, as with MPs who put their party before the country or their constituents, they can remove them at the next election which is seldom more than 4 years away.
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"If the Tiggers are so keen on democracy, they should stand down and call by-elections for their seats, gives their constituents a chance to voice their opinions.spot on.
If we all resigned from our jobs would we still expect to get paid.
What makes this motley crew think they are any different.
There is a good chance not many will win their seats back. So good riddence to them. If you aren't prepared to listen to your constituents then why should we listen to you. You are now on borrowed time "
Yes, because that's just the sort of people we want deciding our country's future; people who will always do as they're told by their party masters, always just go along with whatever they think will get them the most votes and never think for themselves or do what they actually believe to best for Britain. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
I also find it mildly entertaining that a political non party (or whatever they are) apparently breaking with Labour on an anti racist ticket manage to have one of their group being racist on TV by lunchtime of the first day.... |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"And also, yesterday:
"We don't have any policies, we aren't a political party" - Anna Soubry
They just have "shared values" but seem mostly reluctant to say what they actually are...."
It’s a love-in Give them some space |
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"And also, yesterday:
"We don't have any policies, we aren't a political party" - Anna Soubry
They just have "shared values" but seem mostly reluctant to say what they actually are....
It’s a love-in Give them some space"
The hard left and right, or even indeed the party activists on both sides, will not give them space. The sooner they crush them the better from their point of view. If this movement takes off both main parties stand to loose. You can expect a stream of personal attacks made against, as we're already seeing on here.
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"And also, yesterday:
"We don't have any policies, we aren't a political party" - Anna Soubry
They just have "shared values" but seem mostly reluctant to say what they actually are....
It’s a love-in Give them some space
The hard left and right, or even indeed the party activists on both sides, will not give them space. The sooner they crush them the better from their point of view. If this movement takes off both main parties stand to loose. You can expect a stream of personal attacks made against, as we're already seeing on here.
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I don't really care much about the 2 main parties as I was a ukip voter for many years but if these breakaway MP's want to stop attacks against them then they could very easily just call by elections in their seats.
Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless were 2 tories who left the Conservative party and joined ukip. They both immediately did the honourable thing and called by elections where they stood as ukip candidates and won.
Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless have integrity and backbone though which these bunch of yellow bellies and cowards don't. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"And also, yesterday:
"We don't have any policies, we aren't a political party" - Anna Soubry
They just have "shared values" but seem mostly reluctant to say what they actually are....
It’s a love-in Give them some space
The hard left and right, or even indeed the party activists on both sides, will not give them space. The sooner they crush them the better from their point of view. If this movement takes off both main parties stand to loose. You can expect a stream of personal attacks made against, as we're already seeing on here.
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Well they really aren't helping themselves so far, are they?
Also; they are in talks with the Lib Dems now.... |
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"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically "
There's nothing to read up on. They don't have any policies. All they've done is made wishy washy statements about 'shared values'. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically
There's nothing to read up on. They don't have any policies. All they've done is made wishy washy statements about 'shared values'. "
See my posts - they deny that they have any policies because they aren't a political party. |
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"Today's Indy: Independent Group will back May in any vote of confidence.
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Most people don't want a GE right now because it would be a distraction from the main issue that is facing the country right now, which is BREXIT, and a GE wouldn't do anything to change that in that if the Tories won overall we'd be leaving with a shit deal and if Labour won overall we'd be leaving with a deal either a bit more shitty or a bit less shitty. If neither won overall we'd be exactly where we are now.
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"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically
There's nothing to read up on. They don't have any policies. All they've done is made wishy washy statements about 'shared values'.
See my posts - they deny that they have any policies because they aren't a political party. "
They're not a political party yet but they do have two policies already, they're not in favour of a hard, no deal BREXIT and they are in favour of a People's Vote with Remain as an option. While BREXIT is THE issue they have my support.
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There are good an bad policatians currently but I feel that there outdated now and we need to see more new breads of younger people in the front rows and behind not in orbit somewhere doing not alot. To be fair each of them probably have enough money to stay retired until they see the pearly gates.
I mean if you watch half of them including Jeremy and treasa from behind they walk like old folks wondering into the nursing home lounge.. Just saying |
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"And also, yesterday:
"We don't have any policies, we aren't a political party" - Anna Soubry
They just have "shared values" but seem mostly reluctant to say what they actually are...."
So... if they aren't a political party, then, they aren't politicians, or MP's?
So they should call by-elections for their seats surely? |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Today's Indy: Independent Group will back May in any vote of confidence.
Most people don't want a GE right now because it would be a distraction from the main issue that is facing the country right now, which is BREXIT, and a GE wouldn't do anything to change that in that if the Tories won overall we'd be leaving with a shit deal and if Labour won overall we'd be leaving with a deal either a bit more shitty or a bit less shitty. If neither won overall we'd be exactly where we are now.
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Oh yes, that's why they'd back Theresa May, and nothing to do with the fact that they would nearly all lose their seats.
So noble of them. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically
There's nothing to read up on. They don't have any policies. All they've done is made wishy washy statements about 'shared values'.
See my posts - they deny that they have any policies because they aren't a political party.
They're not a political party yet but they do have two policies already, they're not in favour of a hard, no deal BREXIT and they are in favour of a People's Vote with Remain as an option. While BREXIT is THE issue they have my support.
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Except of course, they've actually said they've got no policies - both of my posts were direct quotes.
Maybe this is (The Emperor's) "New Politics". They tell people they don't have any policies and people unable to cope with just how ridiculous that is, suppose/invent the policies they'd like them to have, like you just did. |
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"And also, yesterday:
"We don't have any policies, we aren't a political party" - Anna Soubry
They just have "shared values" but seem mostly reluctant to say what they actually are....
It’s a love-in Give them some space
The hard left and right, or even indeed the party activists on both sides, will not give them space. The sooner they crush them the better from their point of view. If this movement takes off both main parties stand to loose. You can expect a stream of personal attacks made against, as we're already seeing on here.
I don't really care much about the 2 main parties as I was a ukip voter for many years but if these breakaway MP's want to stop attacks against them then they could very easily just call by elections in their seats.
Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless were 2 tories who left the Conservative party and joined ukip. They both immediately did the honourable thing and called by elections where they stood as ukip candidates and won.
Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless have integrity and backbone though which these bunch of yellow bellies and cowards don't. "
But the people voted already.
Holding another vote would be undemocratic.
Doesn't matter if things change right? |
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over a year ago
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"And also, yesterday:
"We don't have any policies, we aren't a political party" - Anna Soubry
They just have "shared values" but seem mostly reluctant to say what they actually are....
So... if they aren't a political party, then, they aren't politicians, or MP's?
So they should call by-elections for their seats surely?"
You don't have to belong to a party to sit as an MP in the house of commons. they're called independents for a reason. |
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"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically
There's nothing to read up on. They don't have any policies. All they've done is made wishy washy statements about 'shared values'.
See my posts - they deny that they have any policies because they aren't a political party.
They're not a political party yet but they do have two policies already, they're not in favour of a hard, no deal BREXIT and they are in favour of a People's Vote with Remain as an option. While BREXIT is THE issue they have my support.
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Those are Lib dem policies and they had a very poor result at the last general election.
Also as these new independents stood for election on manifestos to leave the EU, leave the single market and leave the customs union and and have now done a complete u-turn on those things, circumstances have changed for their constituents so they should be giving their constituents a 2nd vote in by elections. Where is the Peoples vote for their constituents at constituency level in a by election.  |
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"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically
There's nothing to read up on. They don't have any policies. All they've done is made wishy washy statements about 'shared values'.
See my posts - they deny that they have any policies because they aren't a political party.
They're not a political party yet but they do have two policies already, they're not in favour of a hard, no deal BREXIT and they are in favour of a People's Vote with Remain as an option. While BREXIT is THE issue they have my support.
Those are Lib dem policies and they had a very poor result at the last general election.
Also as these new independents stood for election on manifestos to leave the EU, leave the single market and leave the customs union and and have now done a complete u-turn on those things, circumstances have changed for their constituents so they should be giving their constituents a 2nd vote in by elections. Where is the Peoples vote for their constituents at constituency level in a by election. "
I bet if Leavers agreed to a Peoples Vote they'd agree to by-elections.
Either you're all hypocrites or none of you are. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically
There's nothing to read up on. They don't have any policies. All they've done is made wishy washy statements about 'shared values'.
See my posts - they deny that they have any policies because they aren't a political party.
They're not a political party yet but they do have two policies already, they're not in favour of a hard, no deal BREXIT and they are in favour of a People's Vote with Remain as an option. While BREXIT is THE issue they have my support.
Those are Lib dem policies and they had a very poor result at the last general election.
Also as these new independents stood for election on manifestos to leave the EU, leave the single market and leave the customs union and and have now done a complete u-turn on those things, circumstances have changed for their constituents so they should be giving their constituents a 2nd vote in by elections. Where is the Peoples vote for their constituents at constituency level in a by election.
I bet if Leavers agreed to a Peoples Vote they'd agree to by-elections.
Either you're all hypocrites or none of you are."
I would have thought it was the other way round the remainers want a second referendum so why are they not prepared to go for a second vote in a by election now thats hypocritical. |
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Really can't stand that Chuckup Uhurah bloke. There's something about him that makes my skin crawl.
Oh, and the fact that he's never been able to accept the result of the referendum.
Funny how he's quite happy with the electorate for sticking him in parliament. Mind you, he isn't prepared to call a by-election after quitting the Labour party, so maybe he isn't - or it's finally dawned on him that trying to thwart the process means he's likely to lose his seat |
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"To be honest I've not even read up on what these mainly no marks are even meant to be standing on politically
There's nothing to read up on. They don't have any policies. All they've done is made wishy washy statements about 'shared values'.
See my posts - they deny that they have any policies because they aren't a political party.
They're not a political party yet but they do have two policies already, they're not in favour of a hard, no deal BREXIT and they are in favour of a People's Vote with Remain as an option. While BREXIT is THE issue they have my support.
Those are Lib dem policies and they had a very poor result at the last general election.
Also as these new independents stood for election on manifestos to leave the EU, leave the single market and leave the customs union and and have now done a complete u-turn on those things, circumstances have changed for their constituents so they should be giving their constituents a 2nd vote in by elections. Where is the Peoples vote for their constituents at constituency level in a by election.
I bet if Leavers agreed to a Peoples Vote they'd agree to by-elections.
Either you're all hypocrites or none of you are.I would have thought it was the other way round the remainers want a second referendum so why are they not prepared to go for a second vote in a by election now thats hypocritical."
Applies both directions. If a leaver won't accept a Peoples Vote they shouldn't expect a by-election. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
see... the funny thing is that that labour or the lib dems "should" be my political home.....
but i can never forgive the lib dems for the student loans fiasco... and the only person i trust at the top of labour at the moment is Tom Watson, and the more i see of corbyn the more i can't bring myself to vote for him......
after seeing what is happening this weekend, the more i feel politically homeless, seeing what is being played out at rallies and social media!
which is a horrible thought! like i said in another thread, i went to 2 different labour leadership hustings because i was genuinely interested....
its people like me that have been driven out of "this" labour party door....it does feel like corbyn had a cult like hold over the base, and i just can't.... sorry....
so anything that given me an alternative i am willing to look at, because if there was a GE tomorrow and someone asked me "who would i vote for? the genuine answer would be..."haven't a clue!"
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"Macron came from no-where in France to position himself as the voice of moderation against extremism.
The Conservative Party appears hijacked by its UKIP fringe and Labour has a problem with the perception of its leader as being too far to the left.
I don’t know what this group stands for, though.
I imagine this is the first step towards creating a new movement for moderates.
Can it capture the centre ground like Macron, or will it split the left/centre vote without drawing in the soft right from the Conservative Party?
Much will depend on who steps forward to lead it."
Macron has mass rights on the street.
And your using him as an example of what we should have here.
PMSL
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Macron came from no-where in France to position himself as the voice of moderation against extremism.
The Conservative Party appears hijacked by its UKIP fringe and Labour has a problem with the perception of its leader as being too far to the left.
I don’t know what this group stands for, though.
I imagine this is the first step towards creating a new movement for moderates.
Can it capture the centre ground like Macron, or will it split the left/centre vote without drawing in the soft right from the Conservative Party?
Much will depend on who steps forward to lead it.
Macron has mass rights on the street.
And your using him as an example of what we should have here.
PMSL
THE idiots are finally ruling the roost."
Macron is the least popular French president in the history of the republic.
Let that one sink in... |
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