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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The last few days and weeks have had some bad news stories when it comes to businesses in the UK.
If Brexit hasn’t played a part, then does that mean there is something more fundamentally bad in our economy ?
Or is it simply we have been relying on foreign companies using us as an access to a European market which is less attractive now Chin and India etc are growing and proximity to these markets seems to be a driving factor in business decisions
Are we in a sinking ship and are so distracted about whether brexit has or hasn’t put a hole in the bottom, we’ve missed the huge great hole that’s always been there ...
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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It seems to me the common denominator in all this is diesel engines.Years ago they were encouraging everyone to have a diesel car now a few years later they are bad.So you could blame it on the climate change policy's.I have no idea what percentage of greenhouse gases diesel engines produce but i bet its nothing to the tons and tons that china,india and the usa are pumping out of factories 24 hours a day. |
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"It seems to me the common denominator in all this is diesel engines.Years ago they were encouraging everyone to have a diesel car now a few years later they are bad.So you could blame it on the climate change policy's.I have no idea what percentage of greenhouse gases diesel engines produce but i bet its nothing to the tons and tons that china,india and the usa are pumping out of factories 24 hours a day."
Good point!
China lots of fossil fuel power stations!
USA wants to use more coal, more jobs, a President who denies climate change!
India- know nothing about their stance, but suspect it's not green?
But Great Britain in its heyday was a massive polluter when we were the factory of the world (albeit 120 years ago)!
However, clean fuel can create good skilled jobs for the future! |
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"It seems to me the common denominator in all this is diesel engines.Years ago they were encouraging everyone to have a diesel car now a few years later they are bad.So you could blame it on the climate change policy's.I have no idea what percentage of greenhouse gases diesel engines produce but i bet its nothing to the tons and tons that china,india and the usa are pumping out of factories 24 hours a day."
Diesel cars generally produce more particulates than petrol so they're generally worse for your health.
Also, the economic damage climate change will bring is going make Brexit look like a blip. Yes, other countries need to cut emissions too, but that doesn't mean we should all sit around waiting for someone to blink first. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It seems to me the common denominator in all this is diesel engines.Years ago they were encouraging everyone to have a diesel car now a few years later they are bad.So you could blame it on the climate change policy's.I have no idea what percentage of greenhouse gases diesel engines produce but i bet its nothing to the tons and tons that china,india and the usa are pumping out of factories 24 hours a day.
Good point!
China lots of fossil fuel power stations!
USA wants to use more coal, more jobs, a President who denies climate change!
India- know nothing about their stance, but suspect it's not green?
But Great Britain in its heyday was a massive polluter when we were the factory of the world (albeit 120 years ago)!
However, clean fuel can create good skilled jobs for the future!"
India, China and ourselves are all singed up to the Paris Climate deal, so all countries, aside from USA are working towards meeting their targets.
India produces about 4% of the worlds greenhouse gasses, China about 20%, per year.
Diesel engines by and large are no better or worse than petrol for CO2 emissions.
Investing in green energy, as pointed out, would create a lot of skilled jobs, and in the long run save the country money and help to curb climate change.
The political will isn’t there. And we’ve wasted nearly three years dicking about arguing over which Brexit is the least damaging. |
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Although China is currently quite a large contributor to global greenhouse gas emmissions it is also one of the largests investors in renewables including solar - they plan long-term and can see where things need to go - we seem to plan short-term and constantly get caught out. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"It seems to me the common denominator in all this is diesel engines.Years ago they were encouraging everyone to have a diesel car now a few years later they are bad.So you could blame it on the climate change policy's.I have no idea what percentage of greenhouse gases diesel engines produce but i bet its nothing to the tons and tons that china,india and the usa are pumping out of factories 24 hours a day."
NCAP Euro6 regulations are already in place and there do not appear to be any movement to push back even more.
AdBlue technology is already reducing up to 90% of Diesel particulates.
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The country is a mess and gives an uncertain prospect for business, so will be less attractive. The UK is doing many things that are against common sense and are unattractive. Why be here when costs look set to rise and distribution networks strained? |
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I thought China's reduction in importing luxury vehicles was one of the reasons behind jag/land? Also isn't Japan bringing home much of their over areas manufacturing due to their own economic issues? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Something else that is perhaps rather relevant here is that the EU has done a trade deal with Japan.
When these Japanese car manufacturers opened up their factories here, it was because there were import restrictions on vehicles coming from Japan - unless the manufacturers were producing cars within the EU.
As there are no longer any restrictions on the numbers of vehicles they can bring in and as tariffs on imports from Japan will reduce to zero over the next ten years, there is no longer any incentive for Japanese companies to have manufacturing facilities within the EU - and it is more cost effective for them to build cars in Japan. Labour is cheaper for one thing.
So strictly speaking, these decisions are not related to brexit - at least not directly - and there are a number of other factors too - but I do wonder if the EU/Japan trade deal was sped up by the EU as a result of brexit |
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"Something else that is perhaps rather relevant here is that the EU has done a trade deal with Japan.
When these Japanese car manufacturers opened up their factories here, it was because there were import restrictions on vehicles coming from Japan - unless the manufacturers were producing cars within the EU.
As there are no longer any restrictions on the numbers of vehicles they can bring in and as tariffs on imports from Japan will reduce to zero over the next ten years, there is no longer any incentive for Japanese companies to have manufacturing facilities within the EU - and it is more cost effective for them to build cars in Japan. Labour is cheaper for one thing.
So strictly speaking, these decisions are not related to brexit - at least not directly - and there are a number of other factors too - but I do wonder if the EU/Japan trade deal was sped up by the EU as a result of brexit"
The Trade Deal with Japan started to be negotiated in 2013, was agreed in 2017, ratified in 2018 and implemented in 2019. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Something else that is perhaps rather relevant here is that the EU has done a trade deal with Japan.
When these Japanese car manufacturers opened up their factories here, it was because there were import restrictions on vehicles coming from Japan - unless the manufacturers were producing cars within the EU.
As there are no longer any restrictions on the numbers of vehicles they can bring in and as tariffs on imports from Japan will reduce to zero over the next ten years, there is no longer any incentive for Japanese companies to have manufacturing facilities within the EU - and it is more cost effective for them to build cars in Japan. Labour is cheaper for one thing.
So strictly speaking, these decisions are not related to brexit - at least not directly - and there are a number of other factors too - but I do wonder if the EU/Japan trade deal was sped up by the EU as a result of brexit
The Trade Deal with Japan started to be negotiated in 2013, was agreed in 2017, ratified in 2018 and implemented in 2019. "
Ah, so the EU were screwing us back in 2013 by putting our motor manufacturing jobs in jeopardy - and there are some who still want to try and convince us that we're better off in |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"AdBlue technology is already reducing up to 90% of Diesel particulates.
But according to VOSA nearly 50% of all commercial vehicles inspected are using cheat kits and not actually using Adblue."
That is the main problem people cheating the system!
The amount of cars and vans I get behind that smell because they have cored the DPF I’d unbelievable 
I recently had my DPF cleaned out and the fluid replenished yes it costs but not as much as a brand new filter
But it’s in the nature of people to try and get past it 
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Something else that is perhaps rather relevant here is that the EU has done a trade deal with Japan.
When these Japanese car manufacturers opened up their factories here, it was because there were import restrictions on vehicles coming from Japan - unless the manufacturers were producing cars within the EU.
As there are no longer any restrictions on the numbers of vehicles they can bring in and as tariffs on imports from Japan will reduce to zero over the next ten years, there is no longer any incentive for Japanese companies to have manufacturing facilities within the EU - and it is more cost effective for them to build cars in Japan. Labour is cheaper for one thing.
So strictly speaking, these decisions are not related to brexit - at least not directly - and there are a number of other factors too - but I do wonder if the EU/Japan trade deal was sped up by the EU as a result of brexit
The Trade Deal with Japan started to be negotiated in 2013, was agreed in 2017, ratified in 2018 and implemented in 2019.
Ah, so the EU were screwing us back in 2013 by putting our motor manufacturing jobs in jeopardy - and there are some who still want to try and convince us that we're better off in"
This thread was started because people were saying the Honda decision had noting to do with trade agreements and everything to do with electric engines.
But it never really discussed that so we are back here.
Firstly, the view on both sides is free trade is good. Aren’t the ErG pushing for zero on everything ?(at least their economist suggests this).
Secondly, we are in the EU. Certainly were a voice that should have carried weight in 2013. If you believe this would have happened regardless of brexit, where was the lobbying our end. Why didn’t anyone see this coming ? Surely leave would have jumped on a chance to say the EU are going to cost you your job ... |
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Ah, so the EU were screwing us back in 2013 by putting our motor manufacturing jobs in jeopardy - and there are some who still want to try and convince us that we're better off in"
The EU was the UK and the rest of the member countries - it's only now that the UK is losing its ability to shape the future of the EU. It's predictable that the US, the EU and China are the key trading blocks for now and the future, so given the choice to leave one of those, seems a little short-sighted.  |
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"The last few days and weeks have had some bad news stories when it comes to businesses in the UK.
If Brexit hasn’t played a part, then does that mean there is something more fundamentally bad in our economy ?
Or is it simply we have been relying on foreign companies using us as an access to a European market which is less attractive now Chin and India etc are growing and proximity to these markets seems to be a driving factor in business decisions
Are we in a sinking ship and are so distracted about whether brexit has or hasn’t put a hole in the bottom, we’ve missed the huge great hole that’s always been there ...
Its not just the UK that is in trouble it is all around the world.
Italy is in recession and Germany is teetering.
Japan are not selling as many cars in the Europe to justify making them hear.
China is slowing down too.
Its very unfortunate we could be at the start of a recession next year or it could be one of those blips.
A bit beyond my pay grade.
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