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I know, it shocked me too.
But in his latest tweet on ISIS he says that foreign nationals who chose to go to Syria in support of ISIS should not be allowed to wander around the world (and Europe in particular) wreaking havoc with random acts of Jihady inspired terrorism but that they should be taken back by their countries of origin, investigated, possibly prosecuted for their crimes and ultimately held legally accountable for their choices and actions.
Being British (or indeed the national of any truly democratic society) should avail a person with certain unalienable rights but also unalienable duties and responsibilities which must include the duty and responsibility of being held accountable under law for their actions. That being held to account can only be done if they are brought back home, investigated and prosecuted in accordance to law.
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over a year ago
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Does anybody seriously think we will be able to access evidence to prosecute individuals.
We are going to need our own guatanamo to hold people indefinitely without trial.
Never going to happen. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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We are going to need our own guatanamo to hold people indefinitely without trial.
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If only we hadn't been waging war against the Syrians, we and other countries could have paid Assad to build and run his own Guantanamo in Syria.
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"He's not going to share Guantanomo Bay, then?
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i thought obama closed guantanimo bay?!
Wasn't it at the centre of his first term campaign? Close GB & withdraw all forces from iraq and afghanastan?... win the nobel peace prize but spend every single day of his 8 years in office at war with various nations...
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"He's not going to share Guantanomo Bay, then?
i thought obama closed guantanimo bay?!
Wasn't it at the centre of his first term campaign? Close GB & withdraw all forces from iraq and afghanastan?... win the nobel peace prize but spend every single day of his 8 years in office at war with various nations...
Best president ever!! "
I miss that guy .He could sing and dance also... |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I know, it shocked me too.
But in his latest tweet on ISIS he says that foreign nationals who chose to go to Syria in support of ISIS should not be allowed to wander around the world (and Europe in particular) wreaking havoc with random acts of Jihady inspired terrorism but that they should be taken back by their countries of origin, investigated, possibly prosecuted for their crimes and ultimately held legally accountable for their choices and actions.
Being British (or indeed the national of any truly democratic society) should avail a person with certain unalienable rights but also unalienable duties and responsibilities which must include the duty and responsibility of being held accountable under law for their actions. That being held to account can only be done if they are brought back home, investigated and prosecuted in accordance to law.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"He's not going to share Guantanomo Bay, then?
i thought obama closed guantanimo bay?!
Wasn't it at the centre of his first term campaign? Close GB & withdraw all forces from iraq and afghanastan?... win the nobel peace prize but spend every single day of his 8 years in office at war with various nations...
Best president ever!! "
Obama a bad president that is why the country voted for Trump as Obama destroyed peoples faith in regulatr style politics. |
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"He's not going to share Guantanomo Bay, then?
i thought obama closed guantanimo bay?!
Wasn't it at the centre of his first term campaign? Close GB & withdraw all forces from iraq and afghanastan?... win the nobel peace prize but spend every single day of his 8 years in office at war with various nations...
Best president ever!! "
Standard . Obama said he would do a lot of good stuff and did only some of it.
Trump said he was going to do a load of horrific shit, and has only done some of it. Although he has done more of his evil agenda than Obama did of his positive agenda. |
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"He's not going to share Guantanomo Bay, then?
i thought obama closed guantanimo bay?!
Wasn't it at the centre of his first term campaign? Close GB & withdraw all forces from iraq and afghanastan?... win the nobel peace prize but spend every single day of his 8 years in office at war with various nations...
Best president ever!!
Standard . Obama said he would do a lot of good stuff and did only some of it.
Trump said he was going to do a load of horrific shit, and has only done some of it. Although he has done more of his evil agenda than Obama did of his positive agenda. "
You won't convince a trumpanzee... |
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It's a dilemma, do we ignore the long held premise that innocent before proven guilty is one of the fundamental rights that we have and applies equally in relation to people who have been active participants in the vile archaic ideology of the 'Islamic state' or do we erron the side of caution and lock them up without what we call due process to prevent their indoctrination and training being the horrible reality in a crowded public place..
Personally speaking they have thrown away their right to be judged by the common norms in joining IS but it sits not well in the whole.. |
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"He's not going to share Guantanomo Bay, then?
i thought obama closed guantanimo bay?!
Wasn't it at the centre of his first term campaign? Close GB & withdraw all forces from iraq and afghanastan?... win the nobel peace prize but spend every single day of his 8 years in office at war with various nations...
Best president ever!! Obama a bad president that is why the country voted for Trump as Obama destroyed peoples faith in regulatr style politics."
So bad he won two terms.....so as a response they elected a cheesy wotsit |
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"It's a dilemma, do we ignore the long held premise that innocent before proven guilty is one of the fundamental rights that we have and applies equally in relation to people who have been active participants in the vile archaic ideology of the 'Islamic state' or do we erron the side of caution and lock them up without what we call due process to prevent their indoctrination and training being the horrible reality in a crowded public place..
Personally speaking they have thrown away their right to be judged by the common norms in joining IS but it sits not well in the whole.. "
The emotional side of me says "traitors, string them up". But then how can I say I believe in a rules based society with the rule of law and justify that. I can't. It's how we behave in the difficult situation that define what sort of society we are. I chose to support a society based on democratic principles and the rule of law.
Bring them home, investigate them, if possible prosecute them and/or rehabilitate them and where not, keep our eyes on then. It probably safer having them here where we can watch them where necessary rather than them wondering the world unrepentant, unpunished and unrehabilitated.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"It's a dilemma, do we ignore the long held premise that innocent before proven guilty is one of the fundamental rights that we have and applies equally in relation to people who have been active participants in the vile archaic ideology of the 'Islamic state' or do we erron the side of caution and lock them up without what we call due process to prevent their indoctrination and training being the horrible reality in a crowded public place..
Personally speaking they have thrown away their right to be judged by the common norms in joining IS but it sits not well in the whole.. "
It's the rule of law, isn't it?
That's what this is all about.
Upholding it.
As far as I can see, the only illegal thing she did was skip school.
What's the penalty for truancy?
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By *mmabluTV/TS
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"It's a dilemma, do we ignore the long held premise that innocent before proven guilty is one of the fundamental rights that we have and applies equally in relation to people who have been active participants in the vile archaic ideology of the 'Islamic state' or do we erron the side of caution and lock them up without what we call due process to prevent their indoctrination and training being the horrible reality in a crowded public place..
Personally speaking they have thrown away their right to be judged by the common norms in joining IS but it sits not well in the whole..
It's the rule of law, isn't it?
That's what this is all about.
Upholding it.
As far as I can see, the only illegal thing she did was skip school.
What's the penalty for truancy?
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I assume your being sarcastic your not that nieve |
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"He's not going to share Guantanomo Bay, then?
i thought obama closed guantanimo bay?!
Wasn't it at the centre of his first term campaign? Close GB & withdraw all forces from iraq and afghanastan?... win the nobel peace prize but spend every single day of his 8 years in office at war with various nations...
Best president ever!!
Standard . Obama said he would do a lot of good stuff and did only some of it.
Trump said he was going to do a load of horrific shit, and has only done some of it. Although he has done more of his evil agenda than Obama did of his positive agenda. "
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Whataboutery? |
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"It's a dilemma, do we ignore the long held premise that innocent before proven guilty is one of the fundamental rights that we have and applies equally in relation to people who have been active participants in the vile archaic ideology of the 'Islamic state' or do we erron the side of caution and lock them up without what we call due process to prevent their indoctrination and training being the horrible reality in a crowded public place..
Personally speaking they have thrown away their right to be judged by the common norms in joining IS but it sits not well in the whole..
The emotional side of me says "traitors, string them up". But then how can I say I believe in a rules based society with the rule of law and justify that. I can't. It's how we behave in the difficult situation that define what sort of society we are. I chose to support a society based on democratic principles and the rule of law.
Bring them home, investigate them, if possible prosecute them and/or rehabilitate them and where not, keep our eyes on then. It probably safer having them here where we can watch them where necessary rather than them wondering the world unrepentant, unpunished and unrehabilitated.
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Rehabilitation! From what?.
What do they want, a caliphate, when do they want it, now.
The reality is your living with millions of people who just don't believe in your man made laws, they want to be judged by Allah and live like Mohammed and you are simply a kufa, your apartheid has creaked for decades and will eventually fall apart, what were effectively doing now is being a little child with our fingers in the dyke. |
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"He's not going to share Guantanomo Bay, then?
i thought obama closed guantanimo bay?!
Wasn't it at the centre of his first term campaign? Close GB & withdraw all forces from iraq and afghanastan?... win the nobel peace prize but spend every single day of his 8 years in office at war with various nations...
Best president ever!!
Standard . Obama said he would do a lot of good stuff and did only some of it.
Trump said he was going to do a load of horrific shit, and has only done some of it. Although he has done more of his evil agenda than Obama did of his positive agenda. .
Whataboutery?"
What? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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It's the rule of law, isn't it?
That's what this is all about.
Upholding it.
As far as I can see, the only illegal thing she did was skip school.
What's the penalty for truancy?
I assume your being sarcastic your not that nieve"
Can you advise what other laws she has broken.
Last time I checked it was not illegal for a British citizen to travel abroad and set up home.
This is the problem for Government - it can only act within the law.
It may be she can be prosecuted for supporting or being active in a proscribed organisation.
Or if there is evidence of online activity, for inciting acts of terror.
But if there is no evidence of her doing anything illegal other than skipping school, what do you do?
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"It's a dilemma, do we ignore the long held premise that innocent before proven guilty is one of the fundamental rights that we have and applies equally in relation to people who have been active participants in the vile archaic ideology of the 'Islamic state' or do we erron the side of caution and lock them up without what we call due process to prevent their indoctrination and training being the horrible reality in a crowded public place..
Personally speaking they have thrown away their right to be judged by the common norms in joining IS but it sits not well in the whole..
The emotional side of me says "traitors, string them up". But then how can I say I believe in a rules based society with the rule of law and justify that. I can't. It's how we behave in the difficult situation that define what sort of society we are. I chose to support a society based on democratic principles and the rule of law.
Bring them home, investigate them, if possible prosecute them and/or rehabilitate them and where not, keep our eyes on then. It probably safer having them here where we can watch them where necessary rather than them wondering the world unrepentant, unpunished and unrehabilitated.
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Rehabilitation! From what?.
What do they want, a caliphate, when do they want it, now.
The reality is your living with millions of people who just don't believe in your man made laws, they want to be judged by Allah and live like Mohammed and you are simply a kufa, your apartheid has creaked for decades and will eventually fall apart, what were effectively doing now is being a little child with our fingers in the dyke."
Are you talking about Muslims in theUK?
If so, What evidence do you have these millions don’t believe in man made laws (any more than any religion?) |
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This shit has been headline news for nearly a week now.....why?
Does anyone care what the fuck happens to this girl or her family? Why the hell did she feel the need to announce her return to UK through BBC news reports and posing for photo shoots with The Times? She could've come back in easily enough without the media circus..... fake news anyone? |
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"It's a dilemma, do we ignore the long held premise that innocent before proven guilty is one of the fundamental rights that we have and applies equally in relation to people who have been active participants in the vile archaic ideology of the 'Islamic state' or do we erron the side of caution and lock them up without what we call due process to prevent their indoctrination and training being the horrible reality in a crowded public place..
Personally speaking they have thrown away their right to be judged by the common norms in joining IS but it sits not well in the whole..
The emotional side of me says "traitors, string them up". But then how can I say I believe in a rules based society with the rule of law and justify that. I can't. It's how we behave in the difficult situation that define what sort of society we are. I chose to support a society based on democratic principles and the rule of law.
Bring them home, investigate them, if possible prosecute them and/or rehabilitate them and where not, keep our eyes on then. It probably safer having them here where we can watch them where necessary rather than them wondering the world unrepentant, unpunished and unrehabilitated.
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Rehabilitation! From what?.
What do they want, a caliphate, when do they want it, now.
The reality is your living with millions of people who just don't believe in your man made laws, they want to be judged by Allah and live like Mohammed and you are simply a kufa, your apartheid has creaked for decades and will eventually fall apart, what were effectively doing now is being a little child with our fingers in the dyke."
But in the Dutch legend of boy who stuck his finger into the dyke his actions stopped the dyke bursting and he saved the country.
The moral being; you don't have to do anything radical to stop disaster. Simply doing the right thing at the right time, however small it may seem, is often enough.
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It's the rule of law, isn't it?
That's what this is all about.
Upholding it.
As far as I can see, the only illegal thing she did was skip school.
What's the penalty for truancy?
I assume your being sarcastic your not that nieve
Can you advise what other laws she has broken.
Last time I checked it was not illegal for a British citizen to travel abroad and set up home.
This is the problem for Government - it can only act within the law.
It may be she can be prosecuted for supporting or being active in a proscribed organisation.
Or if there is evidence of online activity, for inciting acts of terror.
But if there is no evidence of her doing anything illegal other than skipping school, what do you do?
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Surely joining (or becoming affiliated with) a terrorist organisation, is a crime? I’m pretty sure that ISIS is a terrorist organisation... |
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"It's a dilemma, do we ignore the long held premise that innocent before proven guilty is one of the fundamental rights that we have and applies equally in relation to people who have been active participants in the vile archaic ideology of the 'Islamic state' or do we erron the side of caution and lock them up without what we call due process to prevent their indoctrination and training being the horrible reality in a crowded public place..
Personally speaking they have thrown away their right to be judged by the common norms in joining IS but it sits not well in the whole..
The emotional side of me says "traitors, string them up". But then how can I say I believe in a rules based society with the rule of law and justify that. I can't. It's how we behave in the difficult situation that define what sort of society we are. I chose to support a society based on democratic principles and the rule of law.
Bring them home, investigate them, if possible prosecute them and/or rehabilitate them and where not, keep our eyes on then. It probably safer having them here where we can watch them where necessary rather than them wondering the world unrepentant, unpunished and unrehabilitated.
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Rehabilitation! From what?.
What do they want, a caliphate, when do they want it, now.
The reality is your living with millions of people who just don't believe in your man made laws, they want to be judged by Allah and live like Mohammed and you are simply a kufa, your apartheid has creaked for decades and will eventually fall apart, what were effectively doing now is being a little child with our fingers in the dyke.
But in the Dutch legend of boy who stuck his finger into the dyke his actions stopped the dyke bursting and he saved the country.
The moral being; you don't have to do anything radical to stop disaster. Simply doing the right thing at the right time, however small it may seem, is often enough.
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Like the Dutch boys finger in the dyke, her arse is in the wall.
Holding back the future, waiting for the seas to part.
If Moses did it with his faith, she’ll do it with an army.
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over a year ago
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Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. |
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised."
if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol |
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"It's a dilemma, do we ignore the long held premise that innocent before proven guilty is one of the fundamental rights that we have and applies equally in relation to people who have been active participants in the vile archaic ideology of the 'Islamic state' or do we erron the side of caution and lock them up without what we call due process to prevent their indoctrination and training being the horrible reality in a crowded public place..
Personally speaking they have thrown away their right to be judged by the common norms in joining IS but it sits not well in the whole..
The emotional side of me says "traitors, string them up". But then how can I say I believe in a rules based society with the rule of law and justify that. I can't. It's how we behave in the difficult situation that define what sort of society we are. I chose to support a society based on democratic principles and the rule of law.
Bring them home, investigate them, if possible prosecute them and/or rehabilitate them and where not, keep our eyes on then. It probably safer having them here where we can watch them where necessary rather than them wondering the world unrepentant, unpunished and unrehabilitated.
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Rehabilitation! From what?.
What do they want, a caliphate, when do they want it, now.
The reality is your living with millions of people who just don't believe in your man made laws, they want to be judged by Allah and live like Mohammed and you are simply a kufa, your apartheid has creaked for decades and will eventually fall apart, what were effectively doing now is being a little child with our fingers in the dyke.
Are you talking about Muslims in theUK?
If so, What evidence do you have these millions don’t believe in man made laws (any more than any religion?)"
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No I'm taking about Muslims everywhere, it's the most essential part of the Islamic faith. |
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol"
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
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"It's a dilemma, do we ignore the long held premise that innocent before proven guilty is one of the fundamental rights that we have and applies equally in relation to people who have been active participants in the vile archaic ideology of the 'Islamic state' or do we erron the side of caution and lock them up without what we call due process to prevent their indoctrination and training being the horrible reality in a crowded public place..
Personally speaking they have thrown away their right to be judged by the common norms in joining IS but it sits not well in the whole..
The emotional side of me says "traitors, string them up". But then how can I say I believe in a rules based society with the rule of law and justify that. I can't. It's how we behave in the difficult situation that define what sort of society we are. I chose to support a society based on democratic principles and the rule of law.
Bring them home, investigate them, if possible prosecute them and/or rehabilitate them and where not, keep our eyes on then. It probably safer having them here where we can watch them where necessary rather than them wondering the world unrepentant, unpunished and unrehabilitated.
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Rehabilitation! From what?.
What do they want, a caliphate, when do they want it, now.
The reality is your living with millions of people who just don't believe in your man made laws, they want to be judged by Allah and live like Mohammed and you are simply a kufa, your apartheid has creaked for decades and will eventually fall apart, what were effectively doing now is being a little child with our fingers in the dyke."
Does a 15 yr old girl really want a caliphate and want it now? A big part of the problem is the glamourising of the cause and the grooming of young men and women into joining that cause. That is what ISIS were so successful at. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence of people going over and realising what a crock of shit the cause really was. It’s just an extreme minority exploiting Islam for their own violent ends.
The situation is extreme and of course potentially very dangerous. Of course it is, that much can’t be denied. But isn’t it the equivalent of a kid just getting seduced by the wrong crowd. Admittedly a very wrong, and very extreme and dangerous crowd, but would any parent be comfortable with their own kids being judged and made to pay for the rest of their lives for finding themselves in that situation? Probably not.
And no - before anyone says it, I’m not justifying anything, and I’m not apologising for anything. But with minors doesn’t society have a duty of care not to lock them up and throw away the key? |
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
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well you could offer her a spare room then bob after all a there there and a cuddle should be enough |
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
well you could offer her a spare room then bob after all a there there and a cuddle should be enough "
Yeah If you put up the IRA.Its a deal..
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
well you could offer her a spare room then bob after all a there there and a cuddle should be enough
Yeah If you put up the IRA.Its a deal..
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lmao the amount of Catholic Irish I’m my family I probably already have you’ve got yaself a deal bob lol |
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
well you could offer her a spare room then bob after all a there there and a cuddle should be enough
Yeah If you put up the IRA.Its a deal..
lmao the amount of Catholic Irish I’m my family I probably already have you’ve got yaself a deal bob lol"
Wow so you've supported them in the past.Have you ever put money in tin when it's passed around in the pubs in the past.
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
well you could offer her a spare room then bob after all a there there and a cuddle should be enough
Yeah If you put up the IRA.Its a deal..
lmao the amount of Catholic Irish I’m my family I probably already have you’ve got yaself a deal bob lol
Wow so you've supported them in the past.Have you ever put money in tin when it's passed around in the pubs in the past.
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:-Lmao calm down bob I said probably it’s a joke but I would t know either way would I lol and Tins passed around pubs I live in teeside not Boston or New York bob does that happen down yr way like ? Lol |
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
well you could offer her a spare room then bob after all a there there and a cuddle should be enough
Yeah If you put up the IRA.Its a deal..
lmao the amount of Catholic Irish I’m my family I probably already have you’ve got yaself a deal bob lol
Wow so you've supported them in the past.Have you ever put money in tin when it's passed around in the pubs in the past.
:-Lmao calm down bob I said probably it’s a joke but I would t know either way would I lol and Tins passed around pubs I live in teeside not Boston or New York bob does that happen down yr way like ? Lol"
I only saw the tin passed round in Manchester when I lived there.I just got up and walked out and told them what I thought.
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
well you could offer her a spare room then bob after all a there there and a cuddle should be enough
Yeah If you put up the IRA.Its a deal..
lmao the amount of Catholic Irish I’m my family I probably already have you’ve got yaself a deal bob lol
Wow so you've supported them in the past.Have you ever put money in tin when it's passed around in the pubs in the past.
:-Lmao calm down bob I said probably it’s a joke but I would t know either way would I lol and Tins passed around pubs I live in teeside not Boston or New York bob does that happen down yr way like ? Lol
I only saw the tin passed round in Manchester when I lived there.I just got up and walked out and told them what I thought.
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don’t blame ya buddy iv only seen it in films they would be mugged for it were I live not that there’d be much init lol |
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
well you could offer her a spare room then bob after all a there there and a cuddle should be enough
Yeah If you put up the IRA.Its a deal..
lmao the amount of Catholic Irish I’m my family I probably already have you’ve got yaself a deal bob lol
Wow so you've supported them in the past.Have you ever put money in tin when it's passed around in the pubs in the past.
:-Lmao calm down bob I said probably it’s a joke but I would t know either way would I lol and Tins passed around pubs I live in teeside not Boston or New York bob does that happen down yr way like ? Lol
I only saw the tin passed round in Manchester when I lived there.I just got up and walked out and told them what I thought.
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
well you could offer her a spare room then bob after all a there there and a cuddle should be enough
Yeah If you put up the IRA.Its a deal..
lmao the amount of Catholic Irish I’m my family I probably already have you’ve got yaself a deal bob lol
Wow so you've supported them in the past.Have you ever put money in tin when it's passed around in the pubs in the past.
:-Lmao calm down bob I said probably it’s a joke but I would t know either way would I lol and Tins passed around pubs I live in teeside not Boston or New York bob does that happen down yr way like ? Lol
I only saw the tin passed round in Manchester when I lived there.I just got up and walked out and told them what I thought.
Out of curiosity, what was on the tin because I'm fairly certain it didn't mention financing the armed struggle? "
It wasn't labelled IRA terrorist fund 
and of course It could of been spent on a birthday cake for someone.Rather than Semtex. |
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
well you could offer her a spare room then bob after all a there there and a cuddle should be enough
Yeah If you put up the IRA.Its a deal..
lmao the amount of Catholic Irish I’m my family I probably already have you’ve got yaself a deal bob lol
Wow so you've supported them in the past.Have you ever put money in tin when it's passed around in the pubs in the past.
:-Lmao calm down bob I said probably it’s a joke but I would t know either way would I lol and Tins passed around pubs I live in teeside not Boston or New York bob does that happen down yr way like ? Lol
I only saw the tin passed round in Manchester when I lived there.I just got up and walked out and told them what I thought.
Out of curiosity, what was on the tin because I'm fairly certain it didn't mention financing the armed struggle?
It wasn't labelled IRA terrorist fund
and of course It could of been spent on a birthday cake for someone.Rather than Semtex. "
More likely it was for what was called the "prisoner's dependents fund". I think they were the most likely ones to have been collecting in pubs. In fairness though, and I know you won't believe me, all of their money did actually go to prisoner's dependents and in providing transport to and from visits and the like. Also, before you shout "something, something terrorists" they're were an enormous amount of innocent people locked up, especially in the seventies as a result of internment and poor intelligence. |
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And it happened on both sides of the devide.
Many of these ex-terrorists now reside in large houses, drive posh cars, take regular nice holidays and live a lavish lifestyle funded by drug sales and extortion these days....whilst the less well off, working class people who threw their loose change into the tins passed round the pubs still largely haven't got a pot to piss in.
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
well you could offer her a spare room then bob after all a there there and a cuddle should be enough
Yeah If you put up the IRA.Its a deal..
lmao the amount of Catholic Irish I’m my family I probably already have you’ve got yaself a deal bob lol
Wow so you've supported them in the past.Have you ever put money in tin when it's passed around in the pubs in the past.
:-Lmao calm down bob I said probably it’s a joke but I would t know either way would I lol and Tins passed around pubs I live in teeside not Boston or New York bob does that happen down yr way like ? Lol
I only saw the tin passed round in Manchester when I lived there.I just got up and walked out and told them what I thought.
Out of curiosity, what was on the tin because I'm fairly certain it didn't mention financing the armed struggle?
It wasn't labelled IRA terrorist fund
and of course It could of been spent on a birthday cake for someone.Rather than Semtex.
More likely it was for what was called the "prisoner's dependents fund". I think they were the most likely ones to have been collecting in pubs. In fairness though, and I know you won't believe me, all of their money did actually go to prisoner's dependents and in providing transport to and from visits and the like. Also, before you shout "something, something terrorists" they're were an enormous amount of innocent people locked up, especially in the seventies as a result of internment and poor intelligence. "
You might be correct so I guess you would pop a quid in the Isis collection box if some of it helps victims of collateral damage from our bombs in Syria/Iraq . |
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
well you could offer her a spare room then bob after all a there there and a cuddle should be enough
Yeah If you put up the IRA.Its a deal..
lmao the amount of Catholic Irish I’m my family I probably already have you’ve got yaself a deal bob lol
Wow so you've supported them in the past.Have you ever put money in tin when it's passed around in the pubs in the past.
:-Lmao calm down bob I said probably it’s a joke but I would t know either way would I lol and Tins passed around pubs I live in teeside not Boston or New York bob does that happen down yr way like ? Lol
I only saw the tin passed round in Manchester when I lived there.I just got up and walked out and told them what I thought.
Out of curiosity, what was on the tin because I'm fairly certain it didn't mention financing the armed struggle?
It wasn't labelled IRA terrorist fund
and of course It could of been spent on a birthday cake for someone.Rather than Semtex.
More likely it was for what was called the "prisoner's dependents fund". I think they were the most likely ones to have been collecting in pubs. In fairness though, and I know you won't believe me, all of their money did actually go to prisoner's dependents and in providing transport to and from visits and the like. Also, before you shout "something, something terrorists" they're were an enormous amount of innocent people locked up, especially in the seventies as a result of internment and poor intelligence.
You might be correct so I guess you would pop a quid in the Isis collection box if some of it helps victims of collateral damage from our bombs in Syria/Iraq . "
Do ISIS have collection boxes?
You may have missed the point that the other boxes weren't IRA boxes either.
Is there something wrong with helping the innocent victims in your eyes? |
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
well you could offer her a spare room then bob after all a there there and a cuddle should be enough
Yeah If you put up the IRA.Its a deal..
lmao the amount of Catholic Irish I’m my family I probably already have you’ve got yaself a deal bob lol
Wow so you've supported them in the past.Have you ever put money in tin when it's passed around in the pubs in the past.
:-Lmao calm down bob I said probably it’s a joke but I would t know either way would I lol and Tins passed around pubs I live in teeside not Boston or New York bob does that happen down yr way like ? Lol
I only saw the tin passed round in Manchester when I lived there.I just got up and walked out and told them what I thought.
Out of curiosity, what was on the tin because I'm fairly certain it didn't mention financing the armed struggle?
It wasn't labelled IRA terrorist fund
and of course It could of been spent on a birthday cake for someone.Rather than Semtex.
More likely it was for what was called the "prisoner's dependents fund". I think they were the most likely ones to have been collecting in pubs. In fairness though, and I know you won't believe me, all of their money did actually go to prisoner's dependents and in providing transport to and from visits and the like. Also, before you shout "something, something terrorists" they're were an enormous amount of innocent people locked up, especially in the seventies as a result of internment and poor intelligence.
You might be correct so I guess you would pop a quid in the Isis collection box if some of it helps victims of collateral damage from our bombs in Syria/Iraq .
Do ISIS have collection boxes?
You may have missed the point that the other boxes weren't IRA boxes either.
Is there something wrong with helping the innocent victims in your eyes? "
You've already said you can't guarantee it wasn't used to help terrorism.Id rather not be complicit in murder and if not helping innocents is the price to pay then I'll sleep well... |
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
well you could offer her a spare room then bob after all a there there and a cuddle should be enough
Yeah If you put up the IRA.Its a deal..
lmao the amount of Catholic Irish I’m my family I probably already have you’ve got yaself a deal bob lol
Wow so you've supported them in the past.Have you ever put money in tin when it's passed around in the pubs in the past.
:-Lmao calm down bob I said probably it’s a joke but I would t know either way would I lol and Tins passed around pubs I live in teeside not Boston or New York bob does that happen down yr way like ? Lol
I only saw the tin passed round in Manchester when I lived there.I just got up and walked out and told them what I thought.
Out of curiosity, what was on the tin because I'm fairly certain it didn't mention financing the armed struggle?
It wasn't labelled IRA terrorist fund
and of course It could of been spent on a birthday cake for someone.Rather than Semtex.
More likely it was for what was called the "prisoner's dependents fund". I think they were the most likely ones to have been collecting in pubs. In fairness though, and I know you won't believe me, all of their money did actually go to prisoner's dependents and in providing transport to and from visits and the like. Also, before you shout "something, something terrorists" they're were an enormous amount of innocent people locked up, especially in the seventies as a result of internment and poor intelligence.
You might be correct so I guess you would pop a quid in the Isis collection box if some of it helps victims of collateral damage from our bombs in Syria/Iraq .
Do ISIS have collection boxes?
You may have missed the point that the other boxes weren't IRA boxes either.
Is there something wrong with helping the innocent victims in your eyes?
You've already said you can't guarantee it wasn't used to help terrorism.Id rather not be complicit in murder and if not helping innocents is the price to pay then I'll sleep well..."
Not quite.. The vagueness in my comment was related to you not being able to tell me what was written on the tin so I have to guess what it was for. I can be fairly sure that the IRA weren't relying on tin box collections in English pubs to fund their campaign as it wouldn't have lasted through 1970 if they were. |
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
well you could offer her a spare room then bob after all a there there and a cuddle should be enough
Yeah If you put up the IRA.Its a deal..
lmao the amount of Catholic Irish I’m my family I probably already have you’ve got yaself a deal bob lol
Wow so you've supported them in the past.Have you ever put money in tin when it's passed around in the pubs in the past.
:-Lmao calm down bob I said probably it’s a joke but I would t know either way would I lol and Tins passed around pubs I live in teeside not Boston or New York bob does that happen down yr way like ? Lol
I only saw the tin passed round in Manchester when I lived there.I just got up and walked out and told them what I thought.
Out of curiosity, what was on the tin because I'm fairly certain it didn't mention financing the armed struggle?
It wasn't labelled IRA terrorist fund
and of course It could of been spent on a birthday cake for someone.Rather than Semtex.
More likely it was for what was called the "prisoner's dependents fund". I think they were the most likely ones to have been collecting in pubs. In fairness though, and I know you won't believe me, all of their money did actually go to prisoner's dependents and in providing transport to and from visits and the like. Also, before you shout "something, something terrorists" they're were an enormous amount of innocent people locked up, especially in the seventies as a result of internment and poor intelligence.
You might be correct so I guess you would pop a quid in the Isis collection box if some of it helps victims of collateral damage from our bombs in Syria/Iraq .
Do ISIS have collection boxes?
You may have missed the point that the other boxes weren't IRA boxes either.
Is there something wrong with helping the innocent victims in your eyes?
You've already said you can't guarantee it wasn't used to help terrorism.Id rather not be complicit in murder and if not helping innocents is the price to pay then I'll sleep well...
Not quite.. The vagueness in my comment was related to you not being able to tell me what was written on the tin so I have to guess what it was for. I can be fairly sure that the IRA weren't relying on tin box collections in English pubs to fund their campaign as it wouldn't have lasted through 1970 if they were. "
Well I wasn't going to take the chance of funding terrorism and "I can be fairly sure" isn't good enough fella..I'm fairly sure my fellow English men wouldn't put money in but u can't guarantee it.
I'm not one to trust the IRA being honest citizens.Drug dealers/terrorists aren't the most honest group around .
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"Radicalised before she was 15. Groomed and r*ped and just had her third child at just 19 and has spent the last four years seeing the brutality of IS and war up front, close and personal.
And some people say she is not repentant. To me she is probably mentally scarred for life and probably incapable of rational thought at the moment.
I too agree with Trump. We allow these people to wander around the Middle East and/or Europe and their ideology will never be challenged as they continue to harbour their deranged ideas.
She should be back in the UK where at least she can be monitored and hopefully (no guarantees) be de-radicalised. if any of them were capable of rational thought they would be terrorists in the first place like you say no garrantees she could be de-radicalised are you happy to take that risk ? Don’t think you would put her up in your spare room anymore than I would lol
Haven't we de radicalised many crazy Irish terrorists that live amongst us today...
well you could offer her a spare room then bob after all a there there and a cuddle should be enough
Yeah If you put up the IRA.Its a deal..
lmao the amount of Catholic Irish I’m my family I probably already have you’ve got yaself a deal bob lol
Wow so you've supported them in the past.Have you ever put money in tin when it's passed around in the pubs in the past.
:-Lmao calm down bob I said probably it’s a joke but I would t know either way would I lol and Tins passed around pubs I live in teeside not Boston or New York bob does that happen down yr way like ? Lol
I only saw the tin passed round in Manchester when I lived there.I just got up and walked out and told them what I thought.
Out of curiosity, what was on the tin because I'm fairly certain it didn't mention financing the armed struggle?
It wasn't labelled IRA terrorist fund
and of course It could of been spent on a birthday cake for someone.Rather than Semtex.
More likely it was for what was called the "prisoner's dependents fund". I think they were the most likely ones to have been collecting in pubs. In fairness though, and I know you won't believe me, all of their money did actually go to prisoner's dependents and in providing transport to and from visits and the like. Also, before you shout "something, something terrorists" they're were an enormous amount of innocent people locked up, especially in the seventies as a result of internment and poor intelligence.
You might be correct so I guess you would pop a quid in the Isis collection box if some of it helps victims of collateral damage from our bombs in Syria/Iraq .
Do ISIS have collection boxes?
You may have missed the point that the other boxes weren't IRA boxes either.
Is there something wrong with helping the innocent victims in your eyes?
You've already said you can't guarantee it wasn't used to help terrorism.Id rather not be complicit in murder and if not helping innocents is the price to pay then I'll sleep well...
Not quite.. The vagueness in my comment was related to you not being able to tell me what was written on the tin so I have to guess what it was for. I can be fairly sure that the IRA weren't relying on tin box collections in English pubs to fund their campaign as it wouldn't have lasted through 1970 if they were.
Well I wasn't going to take the chance of funding terrorism and "I can be fairly sure" isn't good enough fella..I'm fairly sure my fellow English men wouldn't put money in but u can't guarantee it.
I'm not one to trust the IRA being honest citizens.Drug dealers/terrorists aren't the most honest group around .
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Until you can say what was written on said tin then how can anyone say where the money was going?
Also, as honesty has nothing to do with it. The IRA was always a proscribed organisation and fundraising for it was always illegal so anyone walking around with a tin collecting money for it was either going to end up in prison or else highlighting themselves as a member of a secret organisation... Possibly not a great idea.
On a more basic note.. How many tin box collections would it take to fund a guerilla campaign? I think if you're considering that that was how the IRA funded their campaign then you have put very little thought into it.
Oh, and something you mentioned earlier about not wanting to be complicit in murder... I think you already are if you defend the actions of the elements of your armed forces who have committed murders on behalf of the crown.
Then again, maybe you don't stand over those murders? |
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