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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
I read some gossip that Mrs May fully expects Article 50 to be delayed.
There is not enough time left to straighten out the laws and regulations that need to be in place on March 30.
People like Kier Starmer have been warning of this for months.
Proceed with the March 29 deadline and the law will be full of holes on March 30.
But she does not want to be the one to be seen to be delaying Brexit.
So the assumption is Parliament will instruct her to delay.
Then she can say it wasn't her who delayed it.
That strategy requires the EU to agree to an extension.
If it is simply a case of delaying the inevitable, why would they?
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over a year ago
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"I read some gossip that Mrs May fully expects Article 50 to be delayed.
There is not enough time left to straighten out the laws and regulations that need to be in place on March 30.
People like Kier Starmer have been warning of this for months.
Proceed with the March 29 deadline and the law will be full of holes on March 30.
But she does not want to be the one to be seen to be delaying Brexit.
So the assumption is Parliament will instruct her to delay.
Then she can say it wasn't her who delayed it.
That strategy requires the EU to agree to an extension.
If it is simply a case of delaying the inevitable, why would they?
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Because the EU don't want a no deal Brexit because they at least can see it's damaging to both sides. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I read some gossip that Mrs May fully expects Article 50 to be delayed.
There is not enough time left to straighten out the laws and regulations that need to be in place on March 30.
People like Kier Starmer have been warning of this for months.
Proceed with the March 29 deadline and the law will be full of holes on March 30.
But she does not want to be the one to be seen to be delaying Brexit.
So the assumption is Parliament will instruct her to delay.
Then she can say it wasn't her who delayed it.
That strategy requires the EU to agree to an extension.
If it is simply a case of delaying the inevitable, why would they?
Because the EU don't want a no deal Brexit because they at least can see it's damaging to both sides. "
I think it would be more damaging to the I’m rather than the EU but hey ho what will be will be.
I can’t be arssed with it anymore! I will cope with it when it happens  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"43 days 23 hours and 40 minutes...
And all is ???"
...kicked down the road.....
the longer the vote is kicked down the road and they try to run down the clock the more i think A50 will likely be extended.......
may's stubborness on appearing to side with the harder line people will eventually rebound! problem is that she is more interested in putting party before country, and so do her party who scorn any suggestion coming from elsewhere....
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43 days 23 hours and 40 minutes...
And all is ???
"...kicked down the road.....
the longer the vote is kicked down the road and they try to run down the clock the more i think A50 will likely be extended.......
may's stubborness on appearing to side with the harder line people will eventually rebound! problem is that she is more interested in putting party before country, and so do her party who scorn any suggestion coming from elsewhere....
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Not so well then...
I am more inclined to the pushed/fall off the cliff outcome. I think the EU has lost patience with May and her 'negotiating' style and team and that Donald Tusks last comment about hell was the final not so diplomatic but very public notification to the British government that unless May and her cronies show with good faith that there is movement by us on the Irish question then the EU are going to pull the plug on the UK at 2300 and implement the contingency plans they have been putting in place for the last 2 and a bit years while we can sink or swim depending on how well Mrs May and the Tory ministry for brexit has planned for a 'no deal' brexit.
Personally I expect we will find out that we are up shit creak, but will be very relieved to be proven wrong. |
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over a year ago
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"43 days 23 hours and 40 minutes...
And all is ???
...kicked down the road.....
the longer the vote is kicked down the road and they try to run down the clock the more i think A50 will likely be extended.......
may's stubborness on appearing to side with the harder line people will eventually rebound! problem is that she is more interested in putting party before country, and so do her party who scorn any suggestion coming from elsewhere....
Not so well then...
I am more inclined to the pushed/fall off the cliff outcome. I think the EU has lost patience with May and her 'negotiating' style and team and that Donald Tusks last comment about hell was the final not so diplomatic but very public notification to the British government that unless May and her cronies show with good faith that there is movement by us on the Irish question then the EU are going to pull the plug on the UK at 2300 and implement the contingency plans they have been putting in place for the last 2 and a bit years while we can sink or swim depending on how well Mrs May and the Tory ministry for brexit has planned for a 'no deal' brexit.
Personally I expect we will find out that we are up shit creak, but will be very relieved to be proven wrong. "
Well, it's been such a fucking farce for so long now it has to end 29th March one way or the other, deal, no deal WTO or scrap the whole bloody thing. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Can A50 be revoked by Theresa May only or does she need the back up of the parliament? "
As Prime Minister she has the legal right to revoke A50 and given her games over the last two years I would not put it past her to revoke it March 28th and resign on the same day. Thereby being both honourable and the ultimate twat in the same instance. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Can A50 be revoked by Theresa May only or does she need the back up of the parliament? "
it "could" be done by TM herself... but I bet she will wait on parliament to make her do it, and i don't think a revocation of A50 is coming without a 2nd referendum... which isn't coming soon....
I think we are more likely to see a 9 month extention till xmas... and at that stage if we are still at where we are... thats when i think you may see ref 2.... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Can A50 be revoked by Theresa May only or does she need the back up of the parliament?
it "could" be done by TM herself... but I bet she will wait on parliament to make her do it, and i don't think a revocation of A50 is coming without a 2nd referendum... which isn't coming soon....
I think we are more likely to see a 9 month extention till xmas... and at that stage if we are still at where we are... thats when i think you may see ref 2...."
You do live in hope  it will happen on the 29th if not a few weeks later. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Can A50 be revoked by Theresa May only or does she need the back up of the parliament?
it "could" be done by TM herself... but I bet she will wait on parliament to make her do it, and i don't think a revocation of A50 is coming without a 2nd referendum... which isn't coming soon....
I think we are more likely to see a 9 month extention till xmas... and at that stage if we are still at where we are... thats when i think you may see ref 2...."
I've lost track of what the current situation is... does an extension require agreement from supermajority of the EU27?
-Matt |
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"Can A50 be revoked by Theresa May only or does she need the back up of the parliament?
it "could" be done by TM herself... but I bet she will wait on parliament to make her do it, and i don't think a revocation of A50 is coming without a 2nd referendum... which isn't coming soon....
I think we are more likely to see a 9 month extention till xmas... and at that stage if we are still at where we are... thats when i think you may see ref 2....You do live in hope it will happen on the 29th if not a few weeks later."
We live in hope it will be cancelled and we stay as we are. |
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By *ean299Man
over a year ago
Lucan |
"Can A50 be revoked by Theresa May only or does she need the back up of the parliament?
it "could" be done by TM herself... but I bet she will wait on parliament to make her do it, and i don't think a revocation of A50 is coming without a 2nd referendum... which isn't coming soon....
I think we are more likely to see a 9 month extention till xmas... and at that stage if we are still at where we are... thats when i think you may see ref 2....
I've lost track of what the current situation is... does an extension require agreement from supermajority of the EU27?
-Matt"
It requires the agreement of all 27 members. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can A50 be revoked by Theresa May only or does she need the back up of the parliament?
it "could" be done by TM herself... but I bet she will wait on parliament to make her do it, and i don't think a revocation of A50 is coming without a 2nd referendum... which isn't coming soon....
I think we are more likely to see a 9 month extention till xmas... and at that stage if we are still at where we are... thats when i think you may see ref 2....
I've lost track of what the current situation is... does an extension require agreement from supermajority of the EU27?
-Matt
It requires the agreement of all 27 members."
I hope at least one state says fuck off no. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
The UK can revoke Article 50 unilaterally. That was the ruling of the ECJ late in 2018.
An extension or delay to Article 50 requires agreement of the EU27.
Brussels has said previously it would countenance an extension for a constitutional purpose - e.g. an election - but would be unwilling to do so simply to delay the inevitable.
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"Just get on with the bloody thing ...get out take the shit or not ...adapt and overcome ...simple"
Or just dump the whole stupid moronic Brexit and crack on as a prosperous European power. The sooner all the sick disgusting immoral nationalistic bollox is consigned to the history where it belongs the better. |
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"Just get on with the bloody thing ...get out take the shit or not ...adapt and overcome ...simple
Or just dump the whole stupid moronic Brexit and crack on as a prosperous European power. The sooner all the sick disgusting immoral nationalistic bollox is consigned to the history where it belongs the better. "
Or just dump the whole stupid moronic Remainer thought and crack on as a prosperous power. The sooner all the sick disgusting immoral internationalistic bollox is consigned to the history where it belongs the better. |
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"Just get on with the bloody thing ...get out take the shit or not ...adapt and overcome ...simple
Or just dump the whole stupid moronic Brexit and crack on as a prosperous European power. The sooner all the sick disgusting immoral nationalistic bollox is consigned to the history where it belongs the better. "
The voice of democracy! Lol |
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"Just get on with the bloody thing ...get out take the shit or not ...adapt and overcome ...simple
Or just dump the whole stupid moronic Brexit and crack on as a prosperous European power. The sooner all the sick disgusting immoral nationalistic bollox is consigned to the history where it belongs the better.
Or just dump the whole stupid moronic Remainer thought and crack on as a prosperous power. The sooner all the sick disgusting immoral internationalistic bollox is consigned to the history where it belongs the better."
Weak retort just changing names. Also wrong as silly little england on its own won't prosper half as well as a United Kingdom on board with the modern globalising world. |
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"Just get on with the bloody thing ...get out take the shit or not ...adapt and overcome ...simple
Or just dump the whole stupid moronic Brexit and crack on as a prosperous European power. The sooner all the sick disgusting immoral nationalistic bollox is consigned to the history where it belongs the better.
The voice of democracy! Lol"
Democracy failed as soon as Cameron called a referendum on such an issue. And voter apathy now is so high with all parties that openly dumping Brexit would unite remainers. Especially as it is the obvious thing to do as it benefits the country. There isn't a single reason to leave the EU. No benefit at all. |
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"Just get on with the bloody thing ...get out take the shit or not ...adapt and overcome ...simple
Or just dump the whole stupid moronic Brexit and crack on as a prosperous European power. The sooner all the sick disgusting immoral nationalistic bollox is consigned to the history where it belongs the better.
Or just dump the whole stupid moronic Remainer thought and crack on as a prosperous power. The sooner all the sick disgusting immoral internationalistic bollox is consigned to the history where it belongs the better.
Weak retort just changing names. Also wrong as silly little england on its own won't prosper half as well as a United Kingdom on board with the modern globalising world."
Not weak at all.....just showing that your responses have as little meaning and with as little substance as the opposite point of view.
I assume you actually believe that comment in your next resonse about it being undemocratic to give people a say?
Truly unbelievable that allowing a vote is undemocratic unless you don't agree with the result. |
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"Just get on with the bloody thing ...get out take the shit or not ...adapt and overcome ...simple
Or just dump the whole stupid moronic Brexit and crack on as a prosperous European power. The sooner all the sick disgusting immoral nationalistic bollox is consigned to the history where it belongs the better.
Or just dump the whole stupid moronic Remainer thought and crack on as a prosperous power. The sooner all the sick disgusting immoral internationalistic bollox is consigned to the history where it belongs the better.
Weak retort just changing names. Also wrong as silly little england on its own won't prosper half as well as a United Kingdom on board with the modern globalising world."
It wasn't just England on its own that voted Leave though was it. A majority in Wales also voted Leave. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Truth as I see it
In sways and sways of working class people wanted to leave
The business mans vote got abolished years ago the problem we have is we think rich business men know what there talking about they don’t just worrying about there pockets, there family’s and children don’t need to worry about poverty or the future of the grandkid.
Leaving the eu is mainly because of imagination I’m sure people don’t really care about trade deals they just wanna work
I and we all have said the English are lazy
It’s our fault for giving everything on a plate.
I’m not racist I just don’t ike the fact you can or could clam for benefits for you wife and god knows who else living miles away when I’m paying extreme tax rates.
I suppose the same as mps expense scandal not to long ago own own lol
Again it’s the rich that benefit from foreign labour
I work in the building trade I see an a regular basis the labour master of an Indian group abusing him physically Moden day slavery.
The supervisors think is funny
Why is that oh yeah cheap labour |
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"Just get on with the bloody thing ...get out take the shit or not ...adapt and overcome ...simple
Or just dump the whole stupid moronic Brexit and crack on as a prosperous European power. The sooner all the sick disgusting immoral nationalistic bollox is consigned to the history where it belongs the better.
The voice of democracy! Lol
Democracy failed as soon as Cameron called a referendum on such an issue. And voter apathy now is so high with all parties that openly dumping Brexit would unite remainers. Especially as it is the obvious thing to do as it benefits the country. There isn't a single reason to leave the EU. No benefit at all."
You need to look up the definition of democracy as you appear to have no idea what it means! All votes counted towards the end result and there was a large turn out, sounds very democratic to me. You just didn't like the end result and want to overturn it, now that's undemocratic! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Democracy failed as soon as Cameron called a referendum."
I really don't see how you come to that view point.
Democracy cannot fail by giving the voting public a democratic vote.
Democracy fails when the voting public are asked to vote and the result is ignored, that's failed democracy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" There isn't a single reason to leave the EU. No benefit at all."
The democratic decision may not be the best idea, it may well be very damaging to the Country but that potential damage has been democratically voted for. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Truth as I see it
In sways and sways of working class people wanted to leave
The business mans vote got abolished years ago the problem we have is we think rich business men know what there talking about they don’t just worrying about there pockets, there family’s and children don’t need to worry about poverty or the future of the grandkid.
Leaving the eu is mainly because of imagination I’m sure people don’t really care about trade deals they just wanna work
I and we all have said the English are lazy
It’s our fault for giving everything on a plate.
I’m not racist I just don’t ike the fact you can or could clam for benefits for you wife and god knows who else living miles away when I’m paying extreme tax rates.
I suppose the same as mps expense scandal not to long ago own own lol
Again it’s the rich that benefit from foreign labour
I work in the building trade I see an a regular basis the labour master of an Indian group abusing him physically Moden day slavery.
The supervisors think is funny
Why is that oh yeah cheap labour "
People don’t care about trade deals because they can’t see the direct link between them and working. Some of those in the motor industry may start caring.
But the “just want to week” point is slightly moot when we’re at low unemployment and have vacancies in the book. Sure, some will argue about supply and demand suppressing wages. But it’s complex. (If supply of jobs goes down, then pay will go down, all things being equal. If both supply and demand reduced it depends...)
I know it was a throwaway comment, but I can’t see the link between brexit and Indian labour. |
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