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Did the Welsh Vote Leave in the Referendum?

By *rMrsWestMids OP Couple over a year ago

Dudley

Some on here would have us believe that only the English voted to leave in the Eu referendum, they like to use the Little Englander tag to explain the result. Can we finally give the Welsh, all the Scottish and Northern Irish people who voted leave the credit they deserve, we couldn't have done it without you!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Northern Ireland voted remain

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"Some on here would have us believe that only the English voted to leave in the Eu referendum, they like to use the Little Englander tag to explain the result. Can we finally give the Welsh, all the Scottish and Northern Irish people who voted leave the credit they deserve, we couldn't have done it without you!

The English who live in Wales swung the result in Wales.

Brexit is a full-on English Nationalist rat hole, the digging of which is being assisted by a minority of Welsh and Scots.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

The whole of Wales could have voted to remain and they'd still be leaving the EU, simply because of the weight of votes in England.

The margin there was 1.9 million, which makes the result in Wales irrelevant in the final outcome.

Brexit is made in England. You own it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The English who live in Wales swung the result in Wales.

Brexit is a full-on English Nationalist rat hole, the digging of which is being assisted by a minority of Welsh and Scots."

The way I see it is that the posh London-centric tory politicians who have held the rest of the country in austerity for so long ignored the people from more deprived parts of the country who as a result voted leave because they wanted to protest against the carelessness of the government. They were sold a pack of lies about europe causing all their woes when in many of their more deprived areas they were actually being supported by european money. I don’t believe for one minute that the chattering classes from westminster will do anything to support cornish welsh or whoever youd like to cite in the same way as Europe did. The country will become more divided and the poor will become worse off and the middle classes slightly worse off and the rich will carry on being greedy. If you’re in a good place then you’ll probably be ok but the majority of those who protested and won wont see any benefits now or in the near future.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I think there is a lot of truth in that.

When you've suffered from the heartless policies of posh Tories like Cameron and Osbourne, and then they rock up telling you what's in your best interests, it was a fantastic opportunity to poke them in the eye with a sharp stick.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I see Mrs May has been trying to secure the votes of Labour MPs representing some of those deprived areas with offers of investment.

That really is quite shocking.

Deprived areas need investment - it should not be determined by whether the MP does the PM a favour or not.

A QC writing in the Times the other day thought Mrs May would be in breach of the Bribery Act 2010 if she goes down that road.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It worked for the DUP.

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By *rMrsWestMids OP Couple over a year ago

Dudley

"The whole of Wales could have voted to remain and they'd still be leaving the EU, simply because of the weight of votes in England.

The margin there was 1.9 million, which makes the result in Wales irrelevant in the final outcome.

Brexit is made in England. You own it.

My point is that the whole of Wales didn't vote remain though did they, a majority voted to leave !? Perhaps you will finally acknowledge the relevance of this in your posts rather than putting it all down to the English.

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By *rMrsWestMids OP Couple over a year ago

Dudley

"Northern Ireland voted remain "

Not all of Northern Ireland voted remain, there were leave voters in all parts of the UK, the British own Brexit despite what others would have us believe.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"It worked for the DUP.

But how can you justify investing in one deprived area over another?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland voted to stay when you take England out of the equation.

The United Kingdom is leaving the European Union because of votes cast in England.

Simple.

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By *rMrsWestMids OP Couple over a year ago

Dudley

"Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland voted to stay when you take England out of the equation.

The United Kingdom is leaving the European Union because of votes cast in England.

Simple."

LOL Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland do not make a full UK do they? So your argument is fatally flawed!Just admit the truth more UK citizens voted to leave than remain, I know it pains you to admit it!

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Can you give the northeast some credit aswell pls we played our part lol

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"Just admit the truth more UK citizens voted to leave than remain, I know it pains you to admit it!

D’oh!

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By *rMrsWestMids OP Couple over a year ago

Dudley

"Can you give the northeast some credit aswell pls we played our part lol"

Credit to the North East for doing their duty.

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By *rMrsWestMids OP Couple over a year ago

Dudley

"Just admit the truth more UK citizens voted to leave than remain, I know it pains you to admit it!

D’oh!"

At last you finally admitted the truth to yourself!

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland voted to stay when you take England out of the equation.

The United Kingdom is leaving the European Union because of votes cast in England.

Simple."

Sorry but that's completely False. A majority did not vote to remain in Wales. The official result of the EU referendum in Wales was 52.5% voted Leave.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

In answer to the title of the thread.....

52.5% voted Leave in Wales.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Northern Ireland voted remain "

So did Scotland, but I think the point the OP is making is those Leave votes in Scotland and Northern Ireland helped to push Leave over the finishing line as overall winners in the whole of the UK.

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By *laytimenowMan over a year ago

Essex

75% of london voted remain

Londons population is 8.136 million.

25% voted leave .

Thats 2.01 million people

Had nothing to do with carrot crunching country bumpkins out there

Anything that happens in the uk runs as follows:-

Its a London thing

Always has been always will be !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There an idea that areas of the country voted against austerity etc (which is an odd thing to be thinking about siting an EU referendum rather than a GE)

And this is where I hold labour accountable.

Brexit was posh, newer money, Etin educated politicians who were in the cabinet versus posh, older money, Eton educated politicians who were on HIGNFY.

It’s intetesting to note aground with stronger national left leaning parties (who have a louder voice) tended to vote remain, and areas where the “working class” is more likely represented by labour voted leave.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"The whole of Wales could have voted to remain and they'd still be leaving the EU, simply because of the weight of votes in England.

The margin there was 1.9 million, which makes the result in Wales irrelevant in the final outcome.

Brexit is made in England. You own it.

If three quarters of those who voted leave in Wales had voted to remain, then we would be remaining.

If about two thirds of those who voted leave in Scotland had voted to remain, then we would also be remaining.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"The whole of Wales could have voted to remain and they'd still be leaving the EU, simply because of the weight of votes in England.

The margin there was 1.9 million, which makes the result in Wales irrelevant in the final outcome.

Brexit is made in England. You own it.

If three quarters of those who voted leave in Wales had voted to remain, then we would be remaining.

If about two thirds of those who voted leave in Scotland had voted to remain, then we would also be remaining."

Yep, without those Leave voters in Scotland and Northern Ireland then Leave would have lost the referendum. As someone who has wanted out of the EU for 20+ years, I'd like to say a heart felt thankyou to those Leave voters in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland voted to stay when you take England out of the equation.

The United Kingdom is leaving the European Union because of votes cast in England.

Simple."

There's absolutely no point chopping and swapping results around to suit a narrative.

England and Wales independently voted by majority to leave.

Scotland & Northern Ireland voted independently by majority to remain.

Since we're all part of the UK our current system is for a every vote counts basis throughout the UK to formulate a result.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

If this had been held under EU democratic rules, do you know what the result would have been?

2-2

So there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes the welsh voted to leave, it doesnt make sense as they get most money from the eu.

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By *rMrsWestMids OP Couple over a year ago

Dudley

"If this had been held under EU democratic rules, do you know what the result would have been?

2-2

So there."

But it wasn't was it, so stick to the facts!

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Yes the welsh voted to leave, it doesnt make sense as they get most money from the eu."

The idea that Wales get 'EU money' is a fallacy. It's UK taxpayers money as the UK is a net contributor to the EU budget. The UK pays the EU a Membership fee, then that money gets recycled and handed back to areas like Wales and it gets branded 'EU money'. The EU short change the UK because overall we pay more than what we get back from them.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"If this had been held under EU democratic rules, do you know what the result would have been?

2-2

So there."

Why stop at breaking the UK down into 4 regions? Break it down to constituencies and you'll find more constituencies voted Leave than remain.

So there. Lol.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

You can get a different answer whatever way you cut and dice it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes the welsh voted to leave, it doesnt make sense as they get most money from the eu.

Still showing how you have a 0% understanding of how we benefit from being in the Single Market I see

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If this had been held under EU democratic rules, do you know what the result would have been?

2-2

So there."

What a silly response...

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By *rMrsWestMids OP Couple over a year ago

Dudley

"You can get a different answer whatever way you cut and dice it."

There is no different answer more people voted to leave than remain, drawing any other conclusion is just delusional.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Different types of democracy.

Is one better than the other?

Just different, that's all.

The UK is a union where power is highly centralised.

The EU is a union where power is retained in the sovereign states.

In the union of the UK, one country dominates.

In the union of the EU, no country dominates.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"I see Mrs May has been trying to secure the votes of Labour MPs representing some of those deprived areas with offers of investment.

That really is quite shocking.

Deprived areas need investment - it should not be determined by whether the MP does the PM a favour or not.

A QC writing in the Times the other day thought Mrs May would be in breach of the Bribery Act 2010 if she goes down that road.

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Its called politics simple

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"If this had been held under EU democratic rules, do you know what the result would have been?

2-2

So there."

Yes, with extra time being played until the EU decides they've got the right result.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You silly buggers always miss the point which is that it was a protest vote and had no depth of thought behind it just an overwhelming emotional reaction to a load of shouty nonsense. Its like being in the crowd at the sunday kids football match with the territorial dads screaming at their kids and getting belligerent with the other kids dads - embarrassing!

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"You silly buggers always miss the point which is that it was a protest vote and had no depth of thought behind it just an overwhelming emotional reaction to a load of shouty nonsense. Its like being in the crowd at the sunday kids football match with the territorial dads screaming at their kids and getting belligerent with the other kids dads - embarrassing! "

It's clear you've been there shouting with the other dad's, judging by the opening 3 words in your post.

And I voted Leave, I can tell you my vote was not a protest Vote. I knew exactly what I was doing and I knew exactly what I was voting for. I've wanted out of the EU for 20 years.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"I see Mrs May has been trying to secure the votes of Labour MPs representing some of those deprived areas with offers of investment.

That really is quite shocking.

Deprived areas need investment - it should not be determined by whether the MP does the PM a favour or not.

A QC writing in the Times the other day thought Mrs May would be in breach of the Bribery Act 2010 if she goes down that road.

Its called politics simple"

I can only imagine your reaction if someone like Juncker was buying votes to get a policy through.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You can get a different answer whatever way you cut and dice it."

Exactly. Good thing we don’t introduce such arbitrariness into our democracy....

(I think We’d have a labour /snp government. That would have made brexit interesting.)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I tell a lie. I think labour/snp beats the tory vote share (I think their seat count doesn’t).

But isn’t a majority.

The point of a different balance of power still stands.

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By *ost SockMan over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

Wales did vote leave.

22% of the population of Wales is English, so that undoubtedly did have a bearing on the result. There are a lot of older folk who retire here (and very welcome they are too).

I have seen research that suggested that a majority of people living in Wales who identified as Welsh voted remain, and a majority of those who didn’t identify as Welsh voted leave.

I don’t know how sound that research was. This is anecdotal, but I live in an area where a huge amount of retirees move to live. My experience talking to people leads me to think the findings are very plausible.

There are also a lot of people in economically deprived areas who felt ignored and left behind. I’m a remain voter and personally think that they have made a terrible decision, but that’s they do feel that way.

They have been ignored by Westminster since the pits closed etc and have voted to put their faith in that place going forward.

Btw - the figure of 22% was politely mentioned in a discussion the other day. A Yorkshire guy got a bit annoyed - someone asked him how he’d feel if there a million Welsh people living in his home county - he said he’d buy a machine gun

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's clear you've been there shouting with the other dad's, judging by the opening 3 words in your post.

And I voted Leave, I can tell you my vote was not a protest Vote. I knew exactly what I was doing and I knew exactly what I was voting for. I've wanted out of the EU for 20 years.

Centy, we all know your views and how you feel yourself to be full of virtue and honour in your closed little world and thats ok because at the very least its been quite entertaining reading your posts but honestly fella the pompous passive aggressive posts you like to fire off do sound more and more ridiculous and desperate by the day. Keep a little perspective because you really are sounding quite challenged.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

It's clear you've been there shouting with the other dad's, judging by the opening 3 words in your post.

And I voted Leave, I can tell you my vote was not a protest Vote. I knew exactly what I was doing and I knew exactly what I was voting for. I've wanted out of the EU for 20 years.

I'm not desperate, my side won the referendum remember.

We're leaving the EU in less than 2 months now, I'm over the moon about it.

It's you remainers who are desperate as your EU dream slips away between your fingers day by day. Remember what Barnier said, the clock is ticking, tick, tock, tick, tock.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

See what I mean! Calm down colonel

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"See what I mean! Calm down colonel

I think the madness is finally overtaking him after so many of his arguments have been comprehensively dismantled over and over again

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"See what I mean! Calm down colonel

I'm not the one calling people 'silly buggers' on this thread. That was you fella.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"See what I mean! Calm down colonel

I'm not the one calling people 'silly buggers' on this thread. That was you fella. "

I dont think I have ever denied it either. What I said was as heartfelt as it could be and on the scale of insults that seem to pass for debate on here would hardly make the vicars wife blush. Perhaps you need to lower that saddle as you do seem to bash your head against low hanging branches rather too often for your own good. Have a nice day Centy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I assume they sell The Daily Express, and the Daily mail across Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I’m not sure geography played a large part in the way people voted?

Cornwall voted leave and alongside Wales, is one of the regions that will suffer the most.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I assume they sell The Daily Express, and the Daily mail across Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I’m not sure geography played a large part in the way people voted?

Cornwall voted leave and alongside Wales, is one of the regions that will suffer the most. "

Exactly my point! Wales and Cornwall have been left to muddle along as best they can by London and this led to growing resentment against Westminster politicians which was harnessed by power hungry neo-conservative libertarians to push an agenda which was against their interests. The EU provided funding aimed at improving transport links and social and economic life in these depressed areas but the improved transport led to urban types who had made “loadsamoney” buying up housing that should have gone to local people which in turn led to the closure of village shops because the weekenders didnt need them as they brought their waitrose shopping with them. The point of all this is that it wasnt an EU problem that caused this. It was the austerity enforced on the country to prop up an economy founded on artificial property values which was ignored by the tory party. The anti EU UKIP barmy army don’t actually have a plan other than suck it and see and I don't think the tories have any intention of helping out depressed areas of the country as that could be deemed corrupt. The EU was a useful tool for separating this economic support from old fashioned bribery and corruption but in the feudal world of brexitannia that will suit some people on here far too well. Game of thrones anyone?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

I assume they sell The Daily Express, and the Daily mail across Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I’m not sure geography played a large part in the way people voted?

Cornwall voted leave and alongside Wales, is one of the regions that will suffer the most.

UKIP do have a plan for leaving the EU, party leader and MEP Gerard Batten wrote about it in a book he published in 2014 two years before the referendum, he also drew up the plan for leaving in 2017, and published it online for the general public to read. If you'd done even a basic minimal amount of research you would have realised this.

Here is the video of Gerard Batten launching Ukip's plan for leaving the EU online in 2017....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0oKRacwRs

You will see at the end of the video a link where you can go and read the full document online.

Ukip leader Gerard Batten also appeared on television again just last week after Donald Tusk said Brexiteers deserve a special place in Hell for promoting Brexit without a sketch of a plan. Gerard Batten said he has a get out of Hell card because he wrote about it in 2014 in a book, and published the full plan/document online in 2017. Here is the clip from last week....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlPVLH_eOg

Its not Ukip's fault that the government have chosen to completely ignore Ukip's plan. It also shows Donald Tusk has no idea what he's talking about, when he said Brexiteers had no plan.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A very quick skim to the NI section. No mention of how to manage customs. Just people.

Will have a deeper look later.

Feel free to point me to the right section.

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

I assume they sell The Daily Express, and the Daily mail across Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I’m not sure geography played a large part in the way people voted?

Cornwall voted leave and alongside Wales, is one of the regions that will suffer the most.

Here is the video of Gerard Batten launching Ukip's plan for leaving the EU online in 2017....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0oKRacwRs

You will see at the end of the video a link where you can go and read the full document online.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlPVLH_eOg

Its not Ukip's fault that the government have chosen to completely ignore Ukip's plan. It also shows Donald Tusk has no idea what he's talking about, when he said Brexiteers had no plan.

So Centy, is that what you voted based on then? I know you are a 'kipper. I realise it was published a full year after the referendum itself. But do you think it accurately reflects what you thought you were voting on? Do you think it covers the issues you considered when you voted to leave?

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I assume they sell The Daily Express, and the Daily mail across Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I’m not sure geography played a large part in the way people voted?

Cornwall voted leave and alongside Wales, is one of the regions that will suffer the most.

Here is the video of Gerard Batten launching Ukip's plan for leaving the EU online in 2017....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0oKRacwRs

You will see at the end of the video a link where you can go and read the full document online.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlPVLH_eOg

Its not Ukip's fault that the government have chosen to completely ignore Ukip's plan. It also shows Donald Tusk has no idea what he's talking about, when he said Brexiteers had no plan.

Its a dogs dinner all round and we all know it. I’m sorry Centy but I dont want to read what Gerard Batten has to say because it would taint me and I know one should know ones enemy but f*ck it....UKIP are a bunch of c*nts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Allegedly

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"A very quick skim to the NI section. No mention of how to manage customs. Just people.

Will have a deeper look later.

Feel free to point me to the right section.

The time stamps show you posted just 9 minutes after i posted the links. Considering the youtube clips are 5 minutes long and 2 minutes long, that leaves you with 2 minutes to read the document. The full document is over 100 pages long, and no one can read that fast.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

I assume they sell The Daily Express, and the Daily mail across Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I’m not sure geography played a large part in the way people voted?

Cornwall voted leave and alongside Wales, is one of the regions that will suffer the most.

Here is the video of Gerard Batten launching Ukip's plan for leaving the EU online in 2017....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0oKRacwRs

You will see at the end of the video a link where you can go and read the full document online.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlPVLH_eOg

Its not Ukip's fault that the government have chosen to completely ignore Ukip's plan. It also shows Donald Tusk has no idea what he's talking about, when he said Brexiteers had no plan.

-Matt

If you watched the full content of both videos, you will hear Gerard Batten say he also wrote about it in a book, in 2014, a full 2 years before the referendum.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

I assume they sell The Daily Express, and the Daily mail across Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I’m not sure geography played a large part in the way people voted?

Cornwall voted leave and alongside Wales, is one of the regions that will suffer the most.

Here is the video of Gerard Batten launching Ukip's plan for leaving the EU online in 2017....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0oKRacwRs

You will see at the end of the video a link where you can go and read the full document online.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlPVLH_eOg

Its not Ukip's fault that the government have chosen to completely ignore Ukip's plan. It also shows Donald Tusk has no idea what he's talking about, when he said Brexiteers had no plan.

Your bullshit claim in your earlier post about UKIP having no plan was False. As i said if you'd even done a basic amount of research on this you would have realised.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I assume they sell The Daily Express, and the Daily mail across Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I’m not sure geography played a large part in the way people voted?

Cornwall voted leave and alongside Wales, is one of the regions that will suffer the most.

Here is the video of Gerard Batten launching Ukip's plan for leaving the EU online in 2017....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0oKRacwRs

You will see at the end of the video a link where you can go and read the full document online.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlPVLH_eOg

Its not Ukip's fault that the government have chosen to completely ignore Ukip's plan. It also shows Donald Tusk has no idea what he's talking about, when he said Brexiteers had no plan.

Your bullshit claim in your earlier post about UKIP having no plan was False. As i said if you'd even done a basic amount of research on this you would have realised.

Oh poor Centy....you missed the point entirely again. I dont want to read Gerard Battenburgs book or look at the articles because UKIP are an irrelevance now. They have done their job of protesting and achieved what they wanted to and I dont need to know what plans he had. I have never read mein kampf, the communist party manifesto or chairman Maos little red book either because I dont need to back up my emotional choice which is borne out by my personal experiences of life with a manifesto bred in hatred and xenophobia. You’re definitely either so far up your own narrowing alley that you cant turn around anymore or in need of professional help. Take it easy for a bit why dont you Centy? A nice cup of tea and a biscuit would do you some good!

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

I assume they sell The Daily Express, and the Daily mail across Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I’m not sure geography played a large part in the way people voted?

Cornwall voted leave and alongside Wales, is one of the regions that will suffer the most.

Here is the video of Gerard Batten launching Ukip's plan for leaving the EU online in 2017....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0oKRacwRs

You will see at the end of the video a link where you can go and read the full document online.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlPVLH_eOg

Its not Ukip's fault that the government have chosen to completely ignore Ukip's plan. It also shows Donald Tusk has no idea what he's talking about, when he said Brexiteers had no plan.

-Matt

If you watched the full content of both videos, you will hear Gerard Batten say he also wrote about it in a book, in 2014, a full 2 years before the referendum. "

I didn't watch both videos, I watched the first one then had a skim read through the document he produced. So does that document accurately represent what you voted for? As a 'kipper, do you think that plan as stated in that document was a good one?

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I assume they sell The Daily Express, and the Daily mail across Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I’m not sure geography played a large part in the way people voted?

Cornwall voted leave and alongside Wales, is one of the regions that will suffer the most.

Here is the video of Gerard Batten launching Ukip's plan for leaving the EU online in 2017....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0oKRacwRs

You will see at the end of the video a link where you can go and read the full document online.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlPVLH_eOg

Its not Ukip's fault that the government have chosen to completely ignore Ukip's plan. It also shows Donald Tusk has no idea what he's talking about, when he said Brexiteers had no plan.

I can only imagine how horrific UKIPs plan was. *shudder*

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A very quick skim to the NI section. No mention of how to manage customs. Just people.

Will have a deeper look later.

Feel free to point me to the right section.

It’s as tho I didn’t watch the video and had a very quick skim of the NI section as this is the sticking point in brexit atm and the bit where we seem light in plans. Not sure how I could have made that clearer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes the welsh voted to leave, it doesnt make sense as they get most money from the eu.

FFS you peddle this every time.

The EU effectively has a development fund - money is diverted from the pot, to areas in countries which were not developing or were struggling with demographic issues.

Face it, Our government neglected these areas for too long. The argument is that taking back control means telling our parliament to be responsible for all those in the country. It's admirable. But It never happens, that's why you need a beuraucratic entity to point t and say here, this place needs money.

Given the ineptitude we have seen of our politicians, really since Blair jumped into the middle East, do you really trust them.

The only control I have over them is voting for an alternative or spoiling my vote every 5 years - and to desperately hope people see the same issues as I do, and agree on a way to try and fix them

Doesn't sound like control to me.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

I assume they sell The Daily Express, and the Daily mail across Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I’m not sure geography played a large part in the way people voted?

Cornwall voted leave and alongside Wales, is one of the regions that will suffer the most.

Here is the video of Gerard Batten launching Ukip's plan for leaving the EU online in 2017....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0oKRacwRs

You will see at the end of the video a link where you can go and read the full document online.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlPVLH_eOg

Its not Ukip's fault that the government have chosen to completely ignore Ukip's plan. It also shows Donald Tusk has no idea what he's talking about, when he said Brexiteers had no plan.

Your bullshit claim in your earlier post about UKIP having no plan was False. As i said if you'd even done a basic amount of research on this you would have realised.

You said, and I quote....

"The anti EU UKIP barmy army don't actually have a plan"

It's there in black and white on one of your earlier comments on this thread. I've shown that your statement was false. You've no idea what you're talking about, if you'd bothered with a basic minimal amount of research on this you wouldn't have come out with bullshit like that comment.

As for calming down it looks like you're the one blowing a gasket calling people "silly buggers" and calling UKIP "a bunch of c*unts". Make yourself a cup of horlicks and have a lay down in a darkened room before you burst a blood vessel.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ive now found the position in the border (I think)

We’re going to exit the CU but because the EU need us more than them (a theme in this plan) they won’t do custom checks.

I think this is achieved via equivalence (otherwise MFN kicks in).

But equivalence feels like a worse position than the backstop. The Eu are still effectively setting the rules of what standards need to be equivalent to (secondary legislation) and can unilaterally pull equivalence in some areas.

Is this your reading of their position ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes the welsh voted to leave, it doesnt make sense as they get most money from the eu.

FFS you peddle this every time.

The EU effectively has a development fund - money is diverted from the pot, to areas in countries which were not developing or were struggling with demographic issues.

Given the ineptitude we have seen of our politicians, really since Blair jumped into the middle East, do you really trust them.

The only control I have over them is voting for an alternative or spoiling my vote every 5 years - and to desperately hope people see the same issues as I do, and agree on a way to try and fix them

Doesn't sound like control to me.

That's not even taking into account the economic benefits of membership of the single market.

I wouldn't bother mate though because everytime it's pointed out that he's just bang wrong about anything Centy just ignores it and repeates the same old shit in a different thread like a broken record.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you take the entire populations of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales, and add them together, you still wouldn’t have a quarter of the population of England. So it is understandable that in a nationwide referendum, the result in England would decide who won.

However, those who love to harp on about the English dragging the rest of the UK into BREXIT, very rarely mention the fact that Wales also voted leave. Sure Wales isn’t as big as Scotland, but it’s bigger than Northern Ireland. So it balances itself out in a way.

Personally I just wish that they would get on with it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes the welsh voted to leave, it doesnt make sense as they get most money from the eu.

FFS you peddle this every time.

The EU effectively has a development fund - money is diverted from the pot, to areas in countries which were not developing or were struggling with demographic issues.

Given the ineptitude we have seen of our politicians, really since Blair jumped into the middle East, do you really trust them.

The only control I have over them is voting for an alternative or spoiling my vote every 5 years - and to desperately hope people see the same issues as I do, and agree on a way to try and fix them

Doesn't sound like control to me.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

I assume they sell The Daily Express, and the Daily mail across Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I’m not sure geography played a large part in the way people voted?

Cornwall voted leave and alongside Wales, is one of the regions that will suffer the most.

Here is the video of Gerard Batten launching Ukip's plan for leaving the EU online in 2017....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0oKRacwRs

You will see at the end of the video a link where you can go and read the full document online.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlPVLH_eOg

Its not Ukip's fault that the government have chosen to completely ignore Ukip's plan. It also shows Donald Tusk has no idea what he's talking about, when he said Brexiteers had no plan.

The plan will fall at the first hurdle because the first aspect is that he says that we tell the European Union what we are doing.

In the real world that simply results in a full breakdown of communication and thevtalks stall right there. Also very early on I. The document it states that there should be no financial settlement to the EU.

Two issues right there mean that this is just a wish list. It is not a plan but a series of demands by angry Brexiters who feel that they should be pushing and ordering the EU around and not actually negotiating.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I assume they sell The Daily Express, and the Daily mail across Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I’m not sure geography played a large part in the way people voted?

Cornwall voted leave and alongside Wales, is one of the regions that will suffer the most.

Here is the video of Gerard Batten launching Ukip's plan for leaving the EU online in 2017....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0oKRacwRs

You will see at the end of the video a link where you can go and read the full document online.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlPVLH_eOg

Its not Ukip's fault that the government have chosen to completely ignore Ukip's plan. It also shows Donald Tusk has no idea what he's talking about, when he said Brexiteers had no plan.

Your bullshit claim in your earlier post about UKIP having no plan was False. As i said if you'd even done a basic amount of research on this you would have realised.

You said, and I quote....

"The anti EU UKIP barmy army don't actually have a plan"

Oh Centy your evangelical fervour burns so brightly that it blinds you. If you read my original post I said that your side had won, and we could argue that it was by fair means or foul until the cows come home but you havent addressed the fact that UKIP have no purpose anymore and are an irrelevance. That is why I am suggesting that you take a breather because your job is done and you need to calm down. I am as convinced of my emotional heartfelt feelings about the great wrong UKIP have done this nation as you are in your spouting of the opposite view and so I take this opportunity to respond to your posts. I still think you might well be on the spectrum too but thats just my personal opinion. Oh and I have no intention of retracting any scurrilous comments I made about UKIP and their barmy army because it amused me. Oh look it must be time for tea! Plain choc digestives for me but jammy dodgers for you or if you cant find the sense maybe a “nice” biscuit would suit you but then again thats a bit foreign for your tastes maybe? Have a lovely day, get out on your bike and meet some fellow human beings.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Apologies to all of you who are trying to have a serious debate about Brexitannia - sometimes I cant hold back from poking fun at everyone’s favourite revisionist on here. I shall try to curb my innate desire to take a pop at him and let you all get on with the debates.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Apologies to all of you who are trying to have a serious debate about Brexitannia - sometimes I cant hold back from poking fun at everyone’s favourite revisionist on here. I shall try to curb my innate desire to take a pop at him and let you all get on with the debates.

It's nigh on impossible though to have a good debate with people who only take a narrow view of a subject because they know by looking at the bigger picture it blows their argument out of the water.

Or secondary, they just lie.

Some are guilty of both on a daily basis.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's nigh on impossible though to have a good debate with people who only take a narrow view of a subject because they know by looking at the bigger picture it blows their argument out of the water.

Or secondary, they just lie.

Some are guilty of both on a daily basis. "

Yes that’s true....its a fine line between revisionism and lying!

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By *aul_the_nudistMan over a year ago

WREXHAM

"Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland voted to stay when you take England out of the equation.

The United Kingdom is leaving the European Union because of votes cast in England.

Simple."

Most of Wales voted to leave....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland voted to stay when you take England out of the equation.

The United Kingdom is leaving the European Union because of votes cast in England.

Simple.

Most of Wales voted to leave...."

Leave 53%

Remain 47%

I wouldn't call 53% "most of Wales"

But, hey ho

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland voted to stay when you take England out of the equation.

The United Kingdom is leaving the European Union because of votes cast in England.

Simple.

Most of Wales voted to leave....

Leave 53%

Remain 47%

I wouldn't call 53% "most of Wales"

But, hey ho

"
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I hate to be pedantic but 50.000000000001% means most, most voters in Wales voted leave, it was close but it was still most

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

I assume they sell The Daily Express, and the Daily mail across Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I’m not sure geography played a large part in the way people voted?

Cornwall voted leave and alongside Wales, is one of the regions that will suffer the most.

Here is the video of Gerard Batten launching Ukip's plan for leaving the EU online in 2017....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0oKRacwRs

You will see at the end of the video a link where you can go and read the full document online.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlPVLH_eOg

Its not Ukip's fault that the government have chosen to completely ignore Ukip's plan. It also shows Donald Tusk has no idea what he's talking about, when he said Brexiteers had no plan.

Your bullshit claim in your earlier post about UKIP having no plan was False. As i said if you'd even done a basic amount of research on this you would have realised.

You said, and I quote....

"The anti EU UKIP barmy army don't actually have a plan"

Again, your wrong on so many points here its hard to keep track. The job is not yet done because we still haven't left the EU yet. I don't intend taking my foot off the gas until the democratic decision of the referendum is implemented and we leave. I've recently joined the Leave means Leave Brexit campaign group as a volunteer and intend to help out with the campaign in any way I can. I've already made a personal cash donation to Leave means Leave, any money paid towards getting the UK out of the EU is well spent in my opinion.

As for your jibe about getting outdoors for a bike ride, not possible as I've been at work all day. I assume you've not picked up your dole money from the state today as you've been lazing around posting on here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Now you really are showing your desperation Centy. Fyi I have worked hard all my life for what I have and I have never claimed the dole. I do work 6 days a week and I have seen more of the real world and real life then you evidently have in your gated mind! Oh and I have a family, two cars, two houses and a rather good life too you silly silly man.

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