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www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/01/14/toyota-starts-making-new-corolla-derbyshire/ | |||
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"Funny i thought it was reported as in the link above on the 14th of January on the BBC News , as well as on there website. The Eurooean boss said it was good to invest & Back PM Mays deal with the EU . Not a hard brexit mind you You know that Leave one they all want ." Your link above is to google and not directly to the BBC. You do realise that is against forum rules, better hope a moderator doesn't come in here and see your post. | |||
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"Which conspiracy theory website did you cut and paste that from?" The telegraph or the BBC? I like neither, but I'm not hysterical enough to call either conspiracy theorists. | |||
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"Which conspiracy theory website did you cut and paste that from?" Now your really upset as there is some good news,you will be devasted 5 years from now when we are the most successful country in Europe | |||
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"Funny i thought it was reported as in the link above on the 14th of January on the BBC News , as well as on there website. The Eurooean boss said it was good to invest & Back PM Mays deal with the EU . Not a hard brexit mind you You know that Leave one they all want ." If you think this story about the new Corolla being built in Derbyshire has been given the same amount of coverage as the Nissan X trail story then you must be really deluded. | |||
"Japanese car giant Toyota started making its new model Corolla at its huge factory in Burnaston, Derbyshire on 14th January 2019, just a few short weeks ago. Updating production lines for the new car required £240 million of investment from Toyota, which made its commitment in 2017 after the vote to Leave the EU. Funny then that this positive news has not really made headlines in the newspapers, and has not been widely reported on mainstream news channels like the BBC, while the news about Nissan moving production of the X-trail to Japan has. Surely this news from Toyota signifies that the company has confidence in a free and independent UK, trading with the world, after we leave the EU.
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/01/14/toyota-starts-making-new-corolla-derbyshire/"you seem to be missing some quotes centy..... so for the sake of "fairness"... lets add those to your article... Car manufacturer Toyota has reaffirmed its backing for Prime Minister Theresa May’s Brexit deal, adding that leaving the EU without an agreement would be unacceptable. Speaking to the Derby Telegraph, Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.” ..........but i thought you favoured a no-deal brexit and hated TM's deal..... see.... thats what we "could" call being hypocritical so do you support TM's deal now centy?  | |||
"Funny i thought it was reported as in the link above on the 14th of January on the BBC News , as well as on there website. The Eurooean boss said it was good to invest & Back PM Mays deal with the EU . Not a hard brexit mind you You know that Leave one they all want . If you think this story about the new Corolla being built in Derbyshire has been given the same amount of coverage as the Nissan X trail story then you must be really deluded. " I didnt say it hadnt been given the same amount . I said it had been reported Over 2 days news if i remember. It was the week of the 14th of January which was a busy week of news due to Tressames brexit deal vote in the commons . Quite an important story for the whole of the Nation i think you might agree. I doubt anyone has mentioned the cut t9 pensions that was sneaked through on the 14th either. The one that will cut pensions by a considerable amount. To quote " The poorest pensioner couples could lose up to £7,000 a year, under a cut “sneaked out” while MPs are preparing for the showdown Brexitvote. " | |||
"Japanese car giant Toyota started making its new model Corolla at its huge factory in Burnaston, Derbyshire on 14th January 2019, just a few short weeks ago. Updating production lines for the new car required £240 million of investment from Toyota, which made its commitment in 2017 after the vote to Leave the EU. Funny then that this positive news has not really made headlines in the newspapers, and has not been widely reported on mainstream news channels like the BBC, while the news about Nissan moving production of the X-trail to Japan has. Surely this news from Toyota signifies that the company has confidence in a free and independent UK, trading with the world, after we leave the EU.
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/01/14/toyota-starts-making-new-corolla-derbyshire/
you seem to be missing some quotes centy.....
so for the sake of "fairness"... lets add those to your article...
Car manufacturer Toyota has reaffirmed its backing for Prime Minister Theresa May’s Brexit deal, adding that leaving the EU without an agreement would be unacceptable.
Speaking to the Derby Telegraph, Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
..........but i thought you favoured a no-deal brexit and hated TM's deal.....
see.... thats what we "could" call being hypocritical
so do you support TM's deal now centy?"Ohhhh so you're admitting Toyota are actually saying that they don't mind Brexit at all and they really don't mind if we leave the EU and will still carry on making their cars here after Brexit. Theresa May's deal is still Brexit isn't it. | |||
"Which conspiracy theory website did you cut and paste that from?Now your really upset as there is some good news,you will be devasted 5 years from now when we are the most successful country in Europe" This is the very epitome of blind faith. There is no basis whatsoever for this assertion "There's no success like failure and failure's no success at all" | |||
"Japanese car giant Toyota started making its new model Corolla at its huge factory in Burnaston, Derbyshire on 14th January 2019, just a few short weeks ago. Updating production lines for the new car required £240 million of investment from Toyota, which made its commitment in 2017 after the vote to Leave the EU. Funny then that this positive news has not really made headlines in the newspapers, and has not been widely reported on mainstream news channels like the BBC, while the news about Nissan moving production of the X-trail to Japan has. Surely this news from Toyota signifies that the company has confidence in a free and independent UK, trading with the world, after we leave the EU.
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/01/14/toyota-starts-making-new-corolla-derbyshire/
you seem to be missing some quotes centy.....
so for the sake of "fairness"... lets add those to your article...
Car manufacturer Toyota has reaffirmed its backing for Prime Minister Theresa May’s Brexit deal, adding that leaving the EU without an agreement would be unacceptable.
Speaking to the Derby Telegraph, Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
..........but i thought you favoured a no-deal brexit and hated TM's deal.....
see.... thats what we "could" call being hypocritical
so do you support TM's deal now centy?
Ohhhh so you're admitting Toyota are actually saying that they don't mind Brexit at all and they really don't mind if we leave the EU and will still carry on making their cars here after Brexit. Theresa May's deal is still Brexit isn't it. "thats fudging the question centy... so lets try it again... Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No Deal Brexit is not an option for their business... You are the biggest advocate for a no deal brexit... you even quote that WTO pish all the time... So once again..... do you now support Teresa May's deal?..... just a simple "yes" or "no" will do! no need for the waffle...... | |||
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"Japanese car giant Toyota started making its new model Corolla at its huge factory in Burnaston, Derbyshire on 14th January 2019, just a few short weeks ago. Updating production lines for the new car required £240 million of investment from Toyota, which made its commitment in 2017 after the vote to Leave the EU. Funny then that this positive news has not really made headlines in the newspapers, and has not been widely reported on mainstream news channels like the BBC, while the news about Nissan moving production of the X-trail to Japan has. Surely this news from Toyota signifies that the company has confidence in a free and independent UK, trading with the world, after we leave the EU.
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/01/14/toyota-starts-making-new-corolla-derbyshire/
you seem to be missing some quotes centy.....
so for the sake of "fairness"... lets add those to your article...
Car manufacturer Toyota has reaffirmed its backing for Prime Minister Theresa May’s Brexit deal, adding that leaving the EU without an agreement would be unacceptable.
Speaking to the Derby Telegraph, Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
..........but i thought you favoured a no-deal brexit and hated TM's deal.....
see.... thats what we "could" call being hypocritical
so do you support TM's deal now centy?
Ohhhh so you're admitting Toyota are actually saying that they don't mind Brexit at all and they really don't mind if we leave the EU and will still carry on making their cars here after Brexit. Theresa May's deal is still Brexit isn't it.
thats fudging the question centy... so lets try it again...
Toyota say they support TM's deal....
Toyota also say that a No Deal Brexit is not an option for their business...
You are the biggest advocate for a no deal brexit... you even quote that WTO pish all the time...
So once again..... do you now support Teresa May's deal?..... just a simple "yes" or "no" will do! no need for the waffle......"Seeing as you keep bringing up Theresa May I'll give you the answer she would most likely give you.....Brexit means Brexit (and given the quotes you've supplied from Toyota it looks like they support it)! | |||
"Ooah Fabio with the left, right combo Centy's on the ropes what will he do? Is the towel finally getting thrown in or is he going out swinging? The anticipation is too much the Fab Arena is on its feet who knows what could happen? We'll find out next week when Centy finally thinks of another witty empty response "Next week? Centy replied within 5 minutes of your post looking at the time stamps  | |||
" Next week? Centy replied within 5 minutes of your post looking at the time stamps "What about the 20+ logical responses to your BS you ran away from all week? But you were all over your europe in turmoil thread talking the same debunked mince AGAIN! Slippery as a snake and so crooked you have to sleep on a spiral staircase | |||
" Next week? Centy replied within 5 minutes of your post looking at the time stamps
What about the 20+ logical responses to your BS you ran away from all week? But you were all over your europe in turmoil thread talking the same debunked mince AGAIN!
Slippery as a snake and so crooked you have to sleep on a spiral staircase"What 20+ logical responses would they be then? Any specific examples or are you just making up baseless accusations as you go along? | |||
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"Fuck off Centy that is a pretty weak response anything anti eu the Europe in turmoil, Collapse of the EU, Nissan, and Toyota threads both Fabio and SaraJ tried to respond to you and called them "Dumb Remoaners" took the cream puff and didn't have the good grace to defend your arrogance with a legitimate response then you started your own thread spouting the exact same shit you were just told was false by at least 5 people." I've responded to all of those threads you mentioned. What thread did I start that was false in your opinion? | |||
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"Have you fuck i chuckled at them earlier today you were swiftly educated and fucked off in the huff only replying to peacehaven and _mmablu so don't gimme that crap the threads are all still open and theirs seriously too many to name. The ones i did name you were asked durect questions from _abio, sara, and easy just to name a couple they were all left hanging while you and peacehaven strokes each others ego's" Too many to name and yet you can't name one? Yeah right
Talking about dodging questions seems like you're the one guilty of that. I asked in the last post but you didn't answer so I'll ask again. What thread did I start that was false in your opinion? | |||
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" I've responded to all of those threads you mentioned. What thread did I start that was false in your opinion? " Have you lost yer glasses Grandad? | |||
"Named 3 threads above ya Diddy "And as I already told you I've replied to those threads. You've still not answered my question. What thread did I post that was false in your opinion? | |||
" I've responded to all of those threads you mentioned. What thread did I start that was false in your opinion? Have you lost yer glasses Grandad?" I don't need glasses my eyesight is just fine. What thread did I post that was false in your opinion? | |||
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"You clearly didn't you ignored people you were arguing with left the thread and only replied to as mentioned before peacehaven and _mmablu. Your eu in turmoil thread was a class in anti EU anti poor anti black brown green red and yellow BS that facilitated a lot nasty view points with not much logic being applied. I found it pretty undemocratic that you said your piece and fucked off without hearing out the opposition " WTF? Lol The Europe - 10 years in turmoil thread is a thread about the BBC Documentary.
There is nothing false about it, unless you think the documentary on the BBC is false?
Also It's not a contractual obligation for fab members to respond to every single post that is addressed to them on the forum when they join fab. Especially if posts are of such a ridiculous and ludicrous nature that on merit they don't deserve a response. Firstly I don't have the time to respond to every single post about every tiny detail raised, and 2nd I'm not inclined to either as I have work and a social life outside of here. If you don't like that then frankly it's tough shit. Deal with it. | |||
" Also It's not a contractual obligation for fab members to respond to every single post that is addressed to them on the forum when they join fab. Especially if posts are of such a ridiculous and ludicrous nature that on merit they don't deserve a response. Firstly I don't have the time to respond to every single post about every tiny detail raised, and 2nd I'm not inclined to either as I have work and a social life outside of here. If you don't like that then frankly it's tough shit. Deal with it. " Ok so why did you comment on every pro remain thread slating the "dumb remoaners" to not engage them in an actual debate when challenged? Instead you called folk dumb again or just blanked them i've named 3 of them already so don't need to again. Each of these users continuously challenge your false facts and blatantly made up stats and you run away, refuse to acknowledge, or just keep repeating yourself until 1 of your 4 horsemen show up for a chance to enjoy the sound of their own voice. | |||
"Funny i thought it was reported as in the link above on the 14th of January on the BBC News , as well as on there website. The Eurooean boss said it was good to invest & Back PM Mays deal with the EU . Not a hard brexit mind you You know that Leave one they all want . Your link above is to google and not directly to the BBC. You do realise that is against forum rules, better hope a moderator doesn't come in here and see your post. " Are you for real? someone proves you wrong so you hope they gets banned for breaking forum rules(I'm guessing these are the only rules you've read by other post on this site): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43226097 There you go. | |||
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"https://www.fabswingers.com/content/forum-rules Forum Rules In summary: If you treat other people with respect, you can't go far wrong. Don't forget that the forums are meant to be fun, if you find yourself fuming and writing long angry messages you're probably best taking a break from it." So does this mean terms for leavers and remainers that have been used on here are disrespectful? I see one of them used again and again and I haven't been here long. | |||
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"Funny i thought it was reported as in the link above on the 14th of January on the BBC News , as well as on there website. The Eurooean boss said it was good to invest & Back PM Mays deal with the EU . Not a hard brexit mind you You know that Leave one they all want . If you think this story about the new Corolla being built in Derbyshire has been given the same amount of coverage as the Nissan X trail story then you must be really deluded. " They’re different stories. One involves a company doing a u turn on a position after being held up as a reason why brexit won’t het in the way of business The other is a company just doing something it said it will a year ago. A company not changing its mind is not really newsworthy. The only reason to give it coverage is as a balancing statement to say, but what you’re balancing is “all companies are pulling out”.. so really it’s saying here is some evidence brexit isn’t a complete fuck up. Just a partial one. I understand why people want the viewpoint moderated. But the underlying message still ain’t great. In other news, car drove down a street and didn’t crash. | |||
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" WTF? Lol The Europe - 10 years in turmoil thread is a thread about the BBC Documentary.
There is nothing false about it, unless you think the documentary on the BBC is false?
Also It's not a contractual obligation for fab members to respond to every single post that is addressed to them on the forum when they join fab. Especially if posts are of such a ridiculous and ludicrous nature that on merit they don't deserve a response. Firstly I don't have the time to respond to every single post about every tiny detail raised, and 2nd I'm not inclined to either as I have work and a social life outside of here. If you don't like that then frankly it's tough shit. Deal with it. "Hey buddy found some more BS from your Europe in turmoil thread if you fancy a wee read it might jog your memory. Looked more like an "i'm off and i'm taking my ball with me" kind of thread. " The tone is getting worse from remainers because they are getting more and more desperate the closer the March 29th deadline gets. Prime example is unelected Donald Tusk saying today that people who campaigned for Brexit have a special place in Hell. With Friends like him who needs enemies eh? Like normal you only use the bit of quote to suit your twisted view. He said people who campaigned without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it out safely. But you knew that but then if you'd quoted the full sentence it blows your point doesn't it
The leave campaign set out a basic plan during the referendum campaign with a clear list of objectives that should happen if Leave won, so Donald Tusk hasn't got a clue what he's talking about, but not the least bit surprised to see you attempt to defend his vile comments today. It was the remainer David Cameron who was the Prime minister, he called the referendum and made no contingency plan for a Leave vote. It was the remain led Cameron government who failed to plan and had no sketch of a plan for leave.
Just to highlight how dumb Donald Tusk is he was caught giggling after he made those comments on a live mic, which he thought had been switched off. Saying people deserve a special place in Hell, and then laughing about it afterwards, he's just shown himself up for the monumental twat he really is. " | |||
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" WTF? Lol The Europe - 10 years in turmoil thread is a thread about the BBC Documentary.
There is nothing false about it, unless you think the documentary on the BBC is false?
Also It's not a contractual obligation for fab members to respond to every single post that is addressed to them on the forum when they join fab. Especially if posts are of such a ridiculous and ludicrous nature that on merit they don't deserve a response. Firstly I don't have the time to respond to every single post about every tiny detail raised, and 2nd I'm not inclined to either as I have work and a social life outside of here. If you don't like that then frankly it's tough shit. Deal with it.
Hey buddy found some more BS from your Europe in turmoil thread if you fancy a wee read it might jog your memory. Looked more like an "i'm off and i'm taking my ball with me" kind of thread.
The tone is getting worse from remainers because they are getting more and more desperate the closer the March 29th deadline gets. Prime example is unelected Donald Tusk saying today that people who campaigned for Brexit have a special place in Hell. With Friends like him who needs enemies eh?
Like normal you only use the bit of quote to suit your twisted view.
He said people who campaigned without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it out safely.
But you knew that but then if you'd quoted the full sentence it blows your point doesn't it
The leave campaign set out a basic plan during the referendum campaign with a clear list of objectives that should happen if Leave won, so Donald Tusk hasn't got a clue what he's talking about, but not the least bit surprised to see you attempt to defend his vile comments today. It was the remainer David Cameron who was the Prime minister, he called the referendum and made no contingency plan for a Leave vote. It was the remain led Cameron government who failed to plan and had no sketch of a plan for leave.
Just to highlight how dumb Donald Tusk is he was caught giggling after he made those comments on a live mic, which he thought had been switched off. Saying people deserve a special place in Hell, and then laughing about it afterwards, he's just shown himself up for the monumental twat he really is. "Yes and what is your point? Where is the BS in your opinion? The bits you quoted from the other thread seems like an accurate description of what happened from where I'm standing. | |||
"That had fuck all to do with your documentary mate it was a weak attempt to reinflate your damaged ego. It's also a perfect example of your false fact reactionary crap." The comment you quoted wasn't from the opening post of that thread. The opening post on the thread is about the BBC documentary. The post you quoted from the thread was made way down in the thread after multiple fab members had posted other comments. Discussions develop and evolve. Now not sure you realise but threads on here often go off on different tangents, it happens all the time on more or less every fucking thread on the forum. | |||
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"Your original thread was an excuse to talk down the "remoaners" in private mate. You misquoting Tusk and twisting the entire thing it was on live TV millions watched him and know exactly what was said. So as you read through the comments you'll notice the recurring theme of you talking mince, quoting half a statement, being shot down, and finally resorting to insults and as per off you pop to lick your wounds and beat your breast" The original thread was a thread about the BBC documentary called Europe - 10 years in turmoil. That is what the opening post in the thread was about. If other fab members then make comments that take the thread off on different tangents that is beyond my control. I don't control what other fab members decide to post anymore than you do. Threads go off on different tangents all the time. This thread is meant to be about the new Toyota Corolla being built in Derbyshire, yet here you are taking it off on a tangent about another thread.  | |||
"Your original thread was an excuse to talk down the "remoaners" in private mate. You misquoting Tusk and twisting the entire thing it was on live TV millions watched him and know exactly what was said. So as you read through the comments you'll notice the recurring theme of you talking mince, quoting half a statement, being shot down, and finally resorting to insults and as per off you pop to lick your wounds and beat your breast The original thread was a thread about the BBC documentary called Europe - 10 years in turmoil. That is what the opening post in the thread was about. If other fab members then make comments that take the thread off on different tangents that is beyond my control. I don't control what other fab members decide to post anymore than you do. Threads go off on different tangents all the time. This thread is meant to be about the new Toyota Corolla being built in Derbyshire, yet here you are taking it off on a tangent about another thread. "Looks like you have got a new stalker, no doubt he will go the same way as the last one! | |||
"Your original thread was an excuse to talk down the "remoaners" in private mate. You misquoting Tusk and twisting the entire thing it was on live TV millions watched him and know exactly what was said. So as you read through the comments you'll notice the recurring theme of you talking mince, quoting half a statement, being shot down, and finally resorting to insults and as per off you pop to lick your wounds and beat your breast The original thread was a thread about the BBC documentary called Europe - 10 years in turmoil. That is what the opening post in the thread was about. If other fab members then make comments that take the thread off on different tangents that is beyond my control. I don't control what other fab members decide to post anymore than you do. Threads go off on different tangents all the time. This thread is meant to be about the new Toyota Corolla being built in Derbyshire, yet here you are taking it off on a tangent about another thread.
Looks like you have got a new stalker, no doubt he will go the same way as the last one! "I did wonder what happened to Eddie and Slightly foxed? Looks like they've gone the same way as CLCC. | |||
"Your original thread was an excuse to talk down the "remoaners" in private mate. You misquoting Tusk and twisting the entire thing it was on live TV millions watched him and know exactly what was said. So as you read through the comments you'll notice the recurring theme of you talking mince, quoting half a statement, being shot down, and finally resorting to insults and as per off you pop to lick your wounds and beat your breast The original thread was a thread about the BBC documentary called Europe - 10 years in turmoil. That is what the opening post in the thread was about. If other fab members then make comments that take the thread off on different tangents that is beyond my control. I don't control what other fab members decide to post anymore than you do. Threads go off on different tangents all the time. This thread is meant to be about the new Toyota Corolla being built in Derbyshire, yet here you are taking it off on a tangent about another thread.
Looks like you have got a new stalker, no doubt he will go the same way as the last one!
I did wonder what happened to Eddie and Slightly foxed? Looks like they've gone the same way as CLCC. "Good riddance! Lol | |||
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"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it?" Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. " toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it? | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it? "It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model. | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model. "again... you are baiting and switching... from the same article YOU quoted... Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.” they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........ so.............. you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal! so which is it....... | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model.
again... you are baiting and switching...
from the same article YOU quoted...
Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........
so..............
you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal!
so which is it......."I already answered that earlier in the thread so why do you keep asking the same question? My answer is the same as last time, that I think everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave in March on WTO terms. Democracy can't be over ruled or ignored because of something Toyota may or may not do. As it Stands Toyota are making the new Corolla in Derbyshire. The corolla is Toyota's best selling model world wide. There is a huge market in the world for the Corolla outside of the EU. | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model.
again... you are baiting and switching...
from the same article YOU quoted...
Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........
so..............
you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal!
so which is it.......
I already answered that earlier in the thread so why do you keep asking the same question? My answer is the same as last time, that I think everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave in March on WTO terms. Democracy can't be over ruled or ignored because of something Toyota may or may not do. As it Stands Toyota are making the new Corolla in Derbyshire. The corolla is Toyota's best selling model world wide. There is a huge market in the world for the Corolla outside of the EU. "why do i keep asking the same question.... because by toyota's own admission for their plant in derbyshire... a no deal brexit could cost them up to 10 million pounds a day..... source..... toyota's deputy managing director himself.... The deputy managing director of the Japanese car manufacturer said business could not understand why the UK should “go back to square one” in negotiations just because the deal was not perfect. Giving evidence to a parliamentary select committee, Tony Walker said disruption to its supply chain as a result of the UK crashing out of the EU would put its Deeside and Burnaston plants on “stop-start” production for weeks or months, putting jobs and wages in jeopardy. He told the business select committee the issue was not only that Toyota had truckloads of parts dispatched daily across the Dover-Calais route, but that they came over the Channel in a specific order tied to the production sequence. “We do not just have the 50 trucks, we have to have them in sequence, it is no good if we have 49 trucks and truck 17 is missing,” he said. “[Production] will then stop. So without the withdrawal agreement and withdrawing with a no deal, we would have stop-start production for weeks, possibly months. It would be very, very difficult for us to cope with. “The value of the cars we make is £10m a day. If we lose that sort of value it’s very, very challenging for us.” so...... lets go back and see if you want to answer the question... rather than fudging it yet again... Toyota support TM's proposed deal.... Toyota also say that a no deal brexit is "not an option" for them.... YOU are the biggest advocate of no deal brexit here.... so are you now agreeing with TM's deal.... or are you being a hypocrite and using toyota as your shining light but you don't agree with their position... and thus being a hypocrite for using them as your example..... so... yet again.... yes or no??? | |||
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"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model.
again... you are baiting and switching...
from the same article YOU quoted...
Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........
so..............
you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal!
so which is it.......
I already answered that earlier in the thread so why do you keep asking the same question? My answer is the same as last time, that I think everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave in March on WTO terms. Democracy can't be over ruled or ignored because of something Toyota may or may not do. As it Stands Toyota are making the new Corolla in Derbyshire. The corolla is Toyota's best selling model world wide. There is a huge market in the world for the Corolla outside of the EU.
why do i keep asking the same question....
because by toyota's own admission for their plant in derbyshire... a no deal brexit could cost them up to 10 million pounds a day.....
source..... toyota's deputy managing director himself....
The deputy managing director of the Japanese car manufacturer said business could not understand why the UK should “go back to square one” in negotiations just because the deal was not perfect.
Giving evidence to a parliamentary select committee, Tony Walker said disruption to its supply chain as a result of the UK crashing out of the EU would put its Deeside and Burnaston plants on “stop-start” production for weeks or months, putting jobs and wages in jeopardy.
He told the business select committee the issue was not only that Toyota had truckloads of parts dispatched daily across the Dover-Calais route, but that they came over the Channel in a specific order tied to the production sequence.
“We do not just have the 50 trucks, we have to have them in sequence, it is no good if we have 49 trucks and truck 17 is missing,” he said. “[Production] will then stop. So without the withdrawal agreement and withdrawing with a no deal, we would have stop-start production for weeks, possibly months. It would be very, very difficult for us to cope with.
“The value of the cars we make is £10m a day. If we lose that sort of value it’s very, very challenging for us.”
so...... lets go back and see if you want to answer the question... rather than fudging it yet again...
Toyota support TM's proposed deal....
Toyota also say that a no deal brexit is "not an option" for them....
YOU are the biggest advocate of no deal brexit here....
so are you now agreeing with TM's deal.... or are you being a hypocrite and using toyota as your shining light but you don't agree with their position... and thus being a hypocrite for using them as your example.....
so... yet again.... yes or no???"What you just said doesn't add up. When there are strikes in France and hold ups at Dover/Calais just in time companies like Toyota still manage to cope. You say the trucks arrive at Dover/Calais in exact sequence and if just one truck is missing from the sequence it stops production. Seems like a silly way to run a business if just 1 missing truck stops production. What happens then when 1 truck breaks down and can't make it in sequence? The reality is Production doesn't stop, and the factory still continues to operate. The French and the guy in charge of Calais has already said there will be no hold ups there in the event of no deal. On the UK side in Dover similar no deal planning will ensure things continue to operate smoothly. There may possibly be some bumps in the road as people get used to new systems but that's to be expected with any big change of this magnitude. UK no deal planning has also shown some freight will be moved away from Dover/Calais to other ports to reduce pressure on Dover/Calais. Everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model.
again... you are baiting and switching...
from the same article YOU quoted...
Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........
so..............
you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal!
so which is it.......
I already answered that earlier in the thread so why do you keep asking the same question? My answer is the same as last time, that I think everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave in March on WTO terms. Democracy can't be over ruled or ignored because of something Toyota may or may not do. As it Stands Toyota are making the new Corolla in Derbyshire. The corolla is Toyota's best selling model world wide. There is a huge market in the world for the Corolla outside of the EU.
why do i keep asking the same question....
because by toyota's own admission for their plant in derbyshire... a no deal brexit could cost them up to 10 million pounds a day.....
source..... toyota's deputy managing director himself....
The deputy managing director of the Japanese car manufacturer said business could not understand why the UK should “go back to square one” in negotiations just because the deal was not perfect.
Giving evidence to a parliamentary select committee, Tony Walker said disruption to its supply chain as a result of the UK crashing out of the EU would put its Deeside and Burnaston plants on “stop-start” production for weeks or months, putting jobs and wages in jeopardy.
He told the business select committee the issue was not only that Toyota had truckloads of parts dispatched daily across the Dover-Calais route, but that they came over the Channel in a specific order tied to the production sequence.
“We do not just have the 50 trucks, we have to have them in sequence, it is no good if we have 49 trucks and truck 17 is missing,” he said. “[Production] will then stop. So without the withdrawal agreement and withdrawing with a no deal, we would have stop-start production for weeks, possibly months. It would be very, very difficult for us to cope with.
“The value of the cars we make is £10m a day. If we lose that sort of value it’s very, very challenging for us.”
so...... lets go back and see if you want to answer the question... rather than fudging it yet again...
Toyota support TM's proposed deal....
Toyota also say that a no deal brexit is "not an option" for them....
YOU are the biggest advocate of no deal brexit here....
so are you now agreeing with TM's deal.... or are you being a hypocrite and using toyota as your shining light but you don't agree with their position... and thus being a hypocrite for using them as your example.....
so... yet again.... yes or no???
What you just said doesn't add up. When there are strikes in France and hold ups at Dover/Calais just in time companies like Toyota still manage to cope. You say the trucks arrive at Dover/Calais in exact sequence and if just one truck is missing from the sequence it stops production. Seems like a silly way to run a business if just 1 missing truck stops production. What happens then when 1 truck breaks down and can't make it in sequence? The reality is Production doesn't stop, and the factory still continues to operate. The French and the guy in charge of Calais has already said there will be no hold ups there in the event of no deal. On the UK side in Dover similar no deal planning will ensure things continue to operate smoothly. There may possibly be some bumps in the road as people get used to new systems but that's to be expected with any big change of this magnitude. UK no deal planning has also shown some freight will be moved away from Dover/Calais to other ports to reduce pressure on Dover/Calais. Everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms."The simple truth is that Just in time production is aimed at streamlining business so that expensive storage and stockpiling of parts is not required and therefore over or under supply of the finished product and the cost of that is minimised. Its silly to say that one truck stopped halts production lines (not actually what _abio said) but the system is as lean as possible to make it as cost effective as can be. Your habit of plucking examples that suit your agenda is well recognised and your refusal to respond to debate weakens any points you are trying to make. Oh and as the ramsgate seafreight contract has now been cancelled perhaps we should be worried a little more about the supply chain than you suggest? | |||
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"I think the question Fabio is asking is... Toyota are clear Mays deal is a lot better than do deal (for them) Do you agree with their position? " . No I don't, Toyota don't get a vote in our democracy, people do. | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model.
again... you are baiting and switching...
from the same article YOU quoted...
Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........
so..............
you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal!
so which is it.......
I already answered that earlier in the thread so why do you keep asking the same question? My answer is the same as last time, that I think everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave in March on WTO terms. Democracy can't be over ruled or ignored because of something Toyota may or may not do. As it Stands Toyota are making the new Corolla in Derbyshire. The corolla is Toyota's best selling model world wide. There is a huge market in the world for the Corolla outside of the EU.
why do i keep asking the same question....
because by toyota's own admission for their plant in derbyshire... a no deal brexit could cost them up to 10 million pounds a day.....
source..... toyota's deputy managing director himself....
The deputy managing director of the Japanese car manufacturer said business could not understand why the UK should “go back to square one” in negotiations just because the deal was not perfect.
Giving evidence to a parliamentary select committee, Tony Walker said disruption to its supply chain as a result of the UK crashing out of the EU would put its Deeside and Burnaston plants on “stop-start” production for weeks or months, putting jobs and wages in jeopardy.
He told the business select committee the issue was not only that Toyota had truckloads of parts dispatched daily across the Dover-Calais route, but that they came over the Channel in a specific order tied to the production sequence.
“We do not just have the 50 trucks, we have to have them in sequence, it is no good if we have 49 trucks and truck 17 is missing,” he said. “[Production] will then stop. So without the withdrawal agreement and withdrawing with a no deal, we would have stop-start production for weeks, possibly months. It would be very, very difficult for us to cope with.
“The value of the cars we make is £10m a day. If we lose that sort of value it’s very, very challenging for us.”
so...... lets go back and see if you want to answer the question... rather than fudging it yet again...
Toyota support TM's proposed deal....
Toyota also say that a no deal brexit is "not an option" for them....
YOU are the biggest advocate of no deal brexit here....
so are you now agreeing with TM's deal.... or are you being a hypocrite and using toyota as your shining light but you don't agree with their position... and thus being a hypocrite for using them as your example.....
so... yet again.... yes or no???
What you just said doesn't add up. When there are strikes in France and hold ups at Dover/Calais just in time companies like Toyota still manage to cope. You say the trucks arrive at Dover/Calais in exact sequence and if just one truck is missing from the sequence it stops production. Seems like a silly way to run a business if just 1 missing truck stops production. What happens then when 1 truck breaks down and can't make it in sequence? The reality is Production doesn't stop, and the factory still continues to operate. The French and the guy in charge of Calais has already said there will be no hold ups there in the event of no deal. On the UK side in Dover similar no deal planning will ensure things continue to operate smoothly. There may possibly be some bumps in the road as people get used to new systems but that's to be expected with any big change of this magnitude. UK no deal planning has also shown some freight will be moved away from Dover/Calais to other ports to reduce pressure on Dover/Calais. Everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms."that is one hell of a word salad to try and not answer what was a simple question... see... the inconvenient truth is this.... if he is going to laude toyota's position with regard to building the new car (which i have never said at any point was a bad thing) then you also have to take it as gospel when they tell you bad things may happen... you either have to believe all of it... or you have to believe none of it!!! so simple things here.... Toyota say that they support TM's deal.... you don't! You advocate for a no deal brexit... Toyota are saying that is not an option for them and could cost them millions of pounds per day!!! you are a hypocrite by supporting a company who are not supporting the same line as you.... and in fact say the line you are taking would negatively affect their business! or you are a hypocrite because you must have changed your position to fit a particular narrative.... which is it????? do you now support TM's deal? yes or no! | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model.
again... you are baiting and switching...
from the same article YOU quoted...
Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........
so..............
you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal!
so which is it.......
I already answered that earlier in the thread so why do you keep asking the same question? My answer is the same as last time, that I think everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave in March on WTO terms. Democracy can't be over ruled or ignored because of something Toyota may or may not do. As it Stands Toyota are making the new Corolla in Derbyshire. The corolla is Toyota's best selling model world wide. There is a huge market in the world for the Corolla outside of the EU.
why do i keep asking the same question....
because by toyota's own admission for their plant in derbyshire... a no deal brexit could cost them up to 10 million pounds a day.....
source..... toyota's deputy managing director himself....
The deputy managing director of the Japanese car manufacturer said business could not understand why the UK should “go back to square one” in negotiations just because the deal was not perfect.
Giving evidence to a parliamentary select committee, Tony Walker said disruption to its supply chain as a result of the UK crashing out of the EU would put its Deeside and Burnaston plants on “stop-start” production for weeks or months, putting jobs and wages in jeopardy.
He told the business select committee the issue was not only that Toyota had truckloads of parts dispatched daily across the Dover-Calais route, but that they came over the Channel in a specific order tied to the production sequence.
“We do not just have the 50 trucks, we have to have them in sequence, it is no good if we have 49 trucks and truck 17 is missing,” he said. “[Production] will then stop. So without the withdrawal agreement and withdrawing with a no deal, we would have stop-start production for weeks, possibly months. It would be very, very difficult for us to cope with.
“The value of the cars we make is £10m a day. If we lose that sort of value it’s very, very challenging for us.”
so...... lets go back and see if you want to answer the question... rather than fudging it yet again...
Toyota support TM's proposed deal....
Toyota also say that a no deal brexit is "not an option" for them....
YOU are the biggest advocate of no deal brexit here....
so are you now agreeing with TM's deal.... or are you being a hypocrite and using toyota as your shining light but you don't agree with their position... and thus being a hypocrite for using them as your example.....
so... yet again.... yes or no???
What you just said doesn't add up. When there are strikes in France and hold ups at Dover/Calais just in time companies like Toyota still manage to cope. You say the trucks arrive at Dover/Calais in exact sequence and if just one truck is missing from the sequence it stops production. Seems like a silly way to run a business if just 1 missing truck stops production. What happens then when 1 truck breaks down and can't make it in sequence? The reality is Production doesn't stop, and the factory still continues to operate. The French and the guy in charge of Calais has already said there will be no hold ups there in the event of no deal. On the UK side in Dover similar no deal planning will ensure things continue to operate smoothly. There may possibly be some bumps in the road as people get used to new systems but that's to be expected with any big change of this magnitude. UK no deal planning has also shown some freight will be moved away from Dover/Calais to other ports to reduce pressure on Dover/Calais. Everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms."Nope. When there are strikes car companies slow the production line and it costs them millions of pounds a day. Lots of other companies do to. Calais will happily as allow trucks full of those nasty dark skinned Muslim immigrants through. What do they care now? They didn't say anything about what happens in the other direction though did they? They aren't going to slow the flow of goods to us but what about the other way? We want to take control of our borders but you are now advocating no border controls. #Brexitwin | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model.
again... you are baiting and switching...
from the same article YOU quoted...
Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........
so..............
you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal!
so which is it.......
I already answered that earlier in the thread so why do you keep asking the same question? My answer is the same as last time, that I think everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave in March on WTO terms. Democracy can't be over ruled or ignored because of something Toyota may or may not do. As it Stands Toyota are making the new Corolla in Derbyshire. The corolla is Toyota's best selling model world wide. There is a huge market in the world for the Corolla outside of the EU.
why do i keep asking the same question....
because by toyota's own admission for their plant in derbyshire... a no deal brexit could cost them up to 10 million pounds a day.....
source..... toyota's deputy managing director himself....
The deputy managing director of the Japanese car manufacturer said business could not understand why the UK should “go back to square one” in negotiations just because the deal was not perfect.
Giving evidence to a parliamentary select committee, Tony Walker said disruption to its supply chain as a result of the UK crashing out of the EU would put its Deeside and Burnaston plants on “stop-start” production for weeks or months, putting jobs and wages in jeopardy.
He told the business select committee the issue was not only that Toyota had truckloads of parts dispatched daily across the Dover-Calais route, but that they came over the Channel in a specific order tied to the production sequence.
“We do not just have the 50 trucks, we have to have them in sequence, it is no good if we have 49 trucks and truck 17 is missing,” he said. “[Production] will then stop. So without the withdrawal agreement and withdrawing with a no deal, we would have stop-start production for weeks, possibly months. It would be very, very difficult for us to cope with.
“The value of the cars we make is £10m a day. If we lose that sort of value it’s very, very challenging for us.”
so...... lets go back and see if you want to answer the question... rather than fudging it yet again...
Toyota support TM's proposed deal....
Toyota also say that a no deal brexit is "not an option" for them....
YOU are the biggest advocate of no deal brexit here....
so are you now agreeing with TM's deal.... or are you being a hypocrite and using toyota as your shining light but you don't agree with their position... and thus being a hypocrite for using them as your example.....
so... yet again.... yes or no???
What you just said doesn't add up. When there are strikes in France and hold ups at Dover/Calais just in time companies like Toyota still manage to cope. You say the trucks arrive at Dover/Calais in exact sequence and if just one truck is missing from the sequence it stops production. Seems like a silly way to run a business if just 1 missing truck stops production. What happens then when 1 truck breaks down and can't make it in sequence? The reality is Production doesn't stop, and the factory still continues to operate. The French and the guy in charge of Calais has already said there will be no hold ups there in the event of no deal. On the UK side in Dover similar no deal planning will ensure things continue to operate smoothly. There may possibly be some bumps in the road as people get used to new systems but that's to be expected with any big change of this magnitude. UK no deal planning has also shown some freight will be moved away from Dover/Calais to other ports to reduce pressure on Dover/Calais. Everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms.
Nope. When there are strikes car companies slow the production line and it costs them millions of pounds a day. Lots of other companies do to.
Calais will happily as allow trucks full of those nasty dark skinned Muslim immigrants through. What do they care now?
They didn't say anything about what happens in the other direction though did they?
They aren't going to slow the flow of goods to us but what about the other way?
We want to take control of our borders but you are now advocating no border controls.
#Brexitwin "LOL it won't be hard to spot these trucks full of Muslims will it! Although I have no idea what they have to do with Toyota Corollas other than this poster seems to have a fascination with them, I wonder why! | |||
"Who gives a fuck what Toyota thinks? They don't live here, they don't holiday here, they don't shop here, there here for profit and profit only, the sooner they fuck off back to Japan the sooner we who do can move on." It was definitely past someone’s bedtime wasnt it | |||
"Who gives a fuck what Toyota thinks? They don't live here, they don't holiday here, they don't shop here, there here for profit and profit only, the sooner they fuck off back to Japan the sooner we who do can move on." Who needs yer fecking jobs, Johnny Foreigner, eh? | |||
"Who gives a fuck what Toyota thinks? They don't live here, they don't holiday here, they don't shop here, there here for profit and profit only, the sooner they fuck off back to Japan the sooner we who do can move on. Who needs yer fecking jobs, Johnny Foreigner, eh? " The same person who drools over Japan's ethnocentric views loathes their global brands.Should they only sell their cars in their home market. "Japanese cars for Japanese people " Reminds me of the local shop for local people . The league of gentleman.. | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model.
again... you are baiting and switching...
from the same article YOU quoted...
Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........
so..............
you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal!
so which is it.......
I already answered that earlier in the thread so why do you keep asking the same question? My answer is the same as last time, that I think everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave in March on WTO terms. Democracy can't be over ruled or ignored because of something Toyota may or may not do. As it Stands Toyota are making the new Corolla in Derbyshire. The corolla is Toyota's best selling model world wide. There is a huge market in the world for the Corolla outside of the EU.
why do i keep asking the same question....
because by toyota's own admission for their plant in derbyshire... a no deal brexit could cost them up to 10 million pounds a day.....
source..... toyota's deputy managing director himself....
The deputy managing director of the Japanese car manufacturer said business could not understand why the UK should “go back to square one” in negotiations just because the deal was not perfect.
Giving evidence to a parliamentary select committee, Tony Walker said disruption to its supply chain as a result of the UK crashing out of the EU would put its Deeside and Burnaston plants on “stop-start” production for weeks or months, putting jobs and wages in jeopardy.
He told the business select committee the issue was not only that Toyota had truckloads of parts dispatched daily across the Dover-Calais route, but that they came over the Channel in a specific order tied to the production sequence.
“We do not just have the 50 trucks, we have to have them in sequence, it is no good if we have 49 trucks and truck 17 is missing,” he said. “[Production] will then stop. So without the withdrawal agreement and withdrawing with a no deal, we would have stop-start production for weeks, possibly months. It would be very, very difficult for us to cope with.
“The value of the cars we make is £10m a day. If we lose that sort of value it’s very, very challenging for us.”
so...... lets go back and see if you want to answer the question... rather than fudging it yet again...
Toyota support TM's proposed deal....
Toyota also say that a no deal brexit is "not an option" for them....
YOU are the biggest advocate of no deal brexit here....
so are you now agreeing with TM's deal.... or are you being a hypocrite and using toyota as your shining light but you don't agree with their position... and thus being a hypocrite for using them as your example.....
so... yet again.... yes or no???
What you just said doesn't add up. When there are strikes in France and hold ups at Dover/Calais just in time companies like Toyota still manage to cope. You say the trucks arrive at Dover/Calais in exact sequence and if just one truck is missing from the sequence it stops production. Seems like a silly way to run a business if just 1 missing truck stops production. What happens then when 1 truck breaks down and can't make it in sequence? The reality is Production doesn't stop, and the factory still continues to operate. The French and the guy in charge of Calais has already said there will be no hold ups there in the event of no deal. On the UK side in Dover similar no deal planning will ensure things continue to operate smoothly. There may possibly be some bumps in the road as people get used to new systems but that's to be expected with any big change of this magnitude. UK no deal planning has also shown some freight will be moved away from Dover/Calais to other ports to reduce pressure on Dover/Calais. Everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms.
Nope. When there are strikes car companies slow the production line and it costs them millions of pounds a day. Lots of other companies do to.
Calais will happily as allow trucks full of those nasty dark skinned Muslim immigrants through. What do they care now?
They didn't say anything about what happens in the other direction though did they?
They aren't going to slow the flow of goods to us but what about the other way?
We want to take control of our borders but you are now advocating no border controls.
#Brexitwin
LOL it won't be hard to spot these trucks full of Muslims will it! Although I have no idea what they have to do with Toyota Corollas other than this poster seems to have a fascination with them, I wonder why!"i think the point he is making is that if trucks are going to be "waived thru" then the checks that are happenening at the moment may not be being made... as the last thing the uk is going to need is extra checks on a bottleneck...... anyway that is a side issue..... I still want to know if centy is being a hypocrite to try and score some petty points.... so does he agree with TM's deal (the one that Toyota supports)..... or and that is the case then he must also agree toyota's assessment for their derbyshire factory that it could lose up to 10 million a day, if the no deal brexit he advocates for so strongly, goes thru.... he can't agree with one from one side of his mouth... and at the same time disagree with them from the other side..... so either he agrees with and trusts all the things that toyota have said with regards to this factory... or he doesn't believe anything...... after all.... those moneys are going to add up! right....... | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model.
again... you are baiting and switching...
from the same article YOU quoted...
Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........
so..............
you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal!
so which is it.......
I already answered that earlier in the thread so why do you keep asking the same question? My answer is the same as last time, that I think everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave in March on WTO terms. Democracy can't be over ruled or ignored because of something Toyota may or may not do. As it Stands Toyota are making the new Corolla in Derbyshire. The corolla is Toyota's best selling model world wide. There is a huge market in the world for the Corolla outside of the EU.
why do i keep asking the same question....
because by toyota's own admission for their plant in derbyshire... a no deal brexit could cost them up to 10 million pounds a day.....
source..... toyota's deputy managing director himself....
The deputy managing director of the Japanese car manufacturer said business could not understand why the UK should “go back to square one” in negotiations just because the deal was not perfect.
Giving evidence to a parliamentary select committee, Tony Walker said disruption to its supply chain as a result of the UK crashing out of the EU would put its Deeside and Burnaston plants on “stop-start” production for weeks or months, putting jobs and wages in jeopardy.
He told the business select committee the issue was not only that Toyota had truckloads of parts dispatched daily across the Dover-Calais route, but that they came over the Channel in a specific order tied to the production sequence.
“We do not just have the 50 trucks, we have to have them in sequence, it is no good if we have 49 trucks and truck 17 is missing,” he said. “[Production] will then stop. So without the withdrawal agreement and withdrawing with a no deal, we would have stop-start production for weeks, possibly months. It would be very, very difficult for us to cope with.
“The value of the cars we make is £10m a day. If we lose that sort of value it’s very, very challenging for us.”
so...... lets go back and see if you want to answer the question... rather than fudging it yet again...
Toyota support TM's proposed deal....
Toyota also say that a no deal brexit is "not an option" for them....
YOU are the biggest advocate of no deal brexit here....
so are you now agreeing with TM's deal.... or are you being a hypocrite and using toyota as your shining light but you don't agree with their position... and thus being a hypocrite for using them as your example.....
so... yet again.... yes or no???
What you just said doesn't add up. When there are strikes in France and hold ups at Dover/Calais just in time companies like Toyota still manage to cope. You say the trucks arrive at Dover/Calais in exact sequence and if just one truck is missing from the sequence it stops production. Seems like a silly way to run a business if just 1 missing truck stops production. What happens then when 1 truck breaks down and can't make it in sequence? The reality is Production doesn't stop, and the factory still continues to operate. The French and the guy in charge of Calais has already said there will be no hold ups there in the event of no deal. On the UK side in Dover similar no deal planning will ensure things continue to operate smoothly. There may possibly be some bumps in the road as people get used to new systems but that's to be expected with any big change of this magnitude. UK no deal planning has also shown some freight will be moved away from Dover/Calais to other ports to reduce pressure on Dover/Calais. Everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms.
Nope. When there are strikes car companies slow the production line and it costs them millions of pounds a day. Lots of other companies do to.
Calais will happily as allow trucks full of those nasty dark skinned Muslim immigrants through. What do they care now?
They didn't say anything about what happens in the other direction though did they?
They aren't going to slow the flow of goods to us but what about the other way?
We want to take control of our borders but you are now advocating no border controls.
#Brexitwin
LOL it won't be hard to spot these trucks full of Muslims will it! Although I have no idea what they have to do with Toyota Corollas other than this poster seems to have a fascination with them, I wonder why!
i think the point he is making is that if trucks are going to be "waived thru" then the checks that are happenening at the moment may not be being made... as the last thing the uk is going to need is extra checks on a bottleneck......
anyway that is a side issue.....
I still want to know if centy is being a hypocrite to try and score some petty points....
so does he agree with TM's deal (the one that Toyota supports).....
or
and that is the case then he must also agree toyota's assessment for their derbyshire factory that it could lose up to 10 million a day, if the no deal brexit he advocates for so strongly, goes thru....
he can't agree with one from one side of his mouth... and at the same time disagree with them from the other side.....
so either he agrees with and trusts all the things that toyota have said with regards to this factory...
or he doesn't believe anything......
after all.... those moneys are going to add up! right......."So not doing the checks at the borders- is that taking back control? | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model.
again... you are baiting and switching...
from the same article YOU quoted...
Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........
so..............
you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal!
so which is it.......
I already answered that earlier in the thread so why do you keep asking the same question? My answer is the same as last time, that I think everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave in March on WTO terms. Democracy can't be over ruled or ignored because of something Toyota may or may not do. As it Stands Toyota are making the new Corolla in Derbyshire. The corolla is Toyota's best selling model world wide. There is a huge market in the world for the Corolla outside of the EU.
why do i keep asking the same question....
because by toyota's own admission for their plant in derbyshire... a no deal brexit could cost them up to 10 million pounds a day.....
source..... toyota's deputy managing director himself....
The deputy managing director of the Japanese car manufacturer said business could not understand why the UK should “go back to square one” in negotiations just because the deal was not perfect.
Giving evidence to a parliamentary select committee, Tony Walker said disruption to its supply chain as a result of the UK crashing out of the EU would put its Deeside and Burnaston plants on “stop-start” production for weeks or months, putting jobs and wages in jeopardy.
He told the business select committee the issue was not only that Toyota had truckloads of parts dispatched daily across the Dover-Calais route, but that they came over the Channel in a specific order tied to the production sequence.
“We do not just have the 50 trucks, we have to have them in sequence, it is no good if we have 49 trucks and truck 17 is missing,” he said. “[Production] will then stop. So without the withdrawal agreement and withdrawing with a no deal, we would have stop-start production for weeks, possibly months. It would be very, very difficult for us to cope with.
“The value of the cars we make is £10m a day. If we lose that sort of value it’s very, very challenging for us.”
so...... lets go back and see if you want to answer the question... rather than fudging it yet again...
Toyota support TM's proposed deal....
Toyota also say that a no deal brexit is "not an option" for them....
YOU are the biggest advocate of no deal brexit here....
so are you now agreeing with TM's deal.... or are you being a hypocrite and using toyota as your shining light but you don't agree with their position... and thus being a hypocrite for using them as your example.....
so... yet again.... yes or no???
What you just said doesn't add up. When there are strikes in France and hold ups at Dover/Calais just in time companies like Toyota still manage to cope. You say the trucks arrive at Dover/Calais in exact sequence and if just one truck is missing from the sequence it stops production. Seems like a silly way to run a business if just 1 missing truck stops production. What happens then when 1 truck breaks down and can't make it in sequence? The reality is Production doesn't stop, and the factory still continues to operate. The French and the guy in charge of Calais has already said there will be no hold ups there in the event of no deal. On the UK side in Dover similar no deal planning will ensure things continue to operate smoothly. There may possibly be some bumps in the road as people get used to new systems but that's to be expected with any big change of this magnitude. UK no deal planning has also shown some freight will be moved away from Dover/Calais to other ports to reduce pressure on Dover/Calais. Everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms.
Nope. When there are strikes car companies slow the production line and it costs them millions of pounds a day. Lots of other companies do to.
Calais will happily as allow trucks full of those nasty dark skinned Muslim immigrants through. What do they care now?
They didn't say anything about what happens in the other direction though did they?
They aren't going to slow the flow of goods to us but what about the other way?
We want to take control of our borders but you are now advocating no border controls.
#Brexitwin
LOL it won't be hard to spot these trucks full of Muslims will it! Although I have no idea what they have to do with Toyota Corollas other than this poster seems to have a fascination with them, I wonder why!
i think the point he is making is that if trucks are going to be "waived thru" then the checks that are happenening at the moment may not be being made... as the last thing the uk is going to need is extra checks on a bottleneck......
anyway that is a side issue.....
I still want to know if centy is being a hypocrite to try and score some petty points....
so does he agree with TM's deal (the one that Toyota supports).....
or
and that is the case then he must also agree toyota's assessment for their derbyshire factory that it could lose up to 10 million a day, if the no deal brexit he advocates for so strongly, goes thru....
he can't agree with one from one side of his mouth... and at the same time disagree with them from the other side.....
so either he agrees with and trusts all the things that toyota have said with regards to this factory...
or he doesn't believe anything......
after all.... those moneys are going to add up! right......."I've already answered your question about 4 or 5 times previously on this thread Fabio. Suggest you scroll back up and read it again. Or I can continue to keep giving you the same answers as before if you like. | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model.
again... you are baiting and switching...
from the same article YOU quoted...
Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........
so..............
you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal!
so which is it.......
I already answered that earlier in the thread so why do you keep asking the same question? My answer is the same as last time, that I think everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave in March on WTO terms. Democracy can't be over ruled or ignored because of something Toyota may or may not do. As it Stands Toyota are making the new Corolla in Derbyshire. The corolla is Toyota's best selling model world wide. There is a huge market in the world for the Corolla outside of the EU.
why do i keep asking the same question....
because by toyota's own admission for their plant in derbyshire... a no deal brexit could cost them up to 10 million pounds a day.....
source..... toyota's deputy managing director himself....
The deputy managing director of the Japanese car manufacturer said business could not understand why the UK should “go back to square one” in negotiations just because the deal was not perfect.
Giving evidence to a parliamentary select committee, Tony Walker said disruption to its supply chain as a result of the UK crashing out of the EU would put its Deeside and Burnaston plants on “stop-start” production for weeks or months, putting jobs and wages in jeopardy.
He told the business select committee the issue was not only that Toyota had truckloads of parts dispatched daily across the Dover-Calais route, but that they came over the Channel in a specific order tied to the production sequence.
“We do not just have the 50 trucks, we have to have them in sequence, it is no good if we have 49 trucks and truck 17 is missing,” he said. “[Production] will then stop. So without the withdrawal agreement and withdrawing with a no deal, we would have stop-start production for weeks, possibly months. It would be very, very difficult for us to cope with.
“The value of the cars we make is £10m a day. If we lose that sort of value it’s very, very challenging for us.”
so...... lets go back and see if you want to answer the question... rather than fudging it yet again...
Toyota support TM's proposed deal....
Toyota also say that a no deal brexit is "not an option" for them....
YOU are the biggest advocate of no deal brexit here....
so are you now agreeing with TM's deal.... or are you being a hypocrite and using toyota as your shining light but you don't agree with their position... and thus being a hypocrite for using them as your example.....
so... yet again.... yes or no???
What you just said doesn't add up. When there are strikes in France and hold ups at Dover/Calais just in time companies like Toyota still manage to cope. You say the trucks arrive at Dover/Calais in exact sequence and if just one truck is missing from the sequence it stops production. Seems like a silly way to run a business if just 1 missing truck stops production. What happens then when 1 truck breaks down and can't make it in sequence? The reality is Production doesn't stop, and the factory still continues to operate. The French and the guy in charge of Calais has already said there will be no hold ups there in the event of no deal. On the UK side in Dover similar no deal planning will ensure things continue to operate smoothly. There may possibly be some bumps in the road as people get used to new systems but that's to be expected with any big change of this magnitude. UK no deal planning has also shown some freight will be moved away from Dover/Calais to other ports to reduce pressure on Dover/Calais. Everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms.
Nope. When there are strikes car companies slow the production line and it costs them millions of pounds a day. Lots of other companies do to.
Calais will happily as allow trucks full of those nasty dark skinned Muslim immigrants through. What do they care now?
They didn't say anything about what happens in the other direction though did they?
They aren't going to slow the flow of goods to us but what about the other way?
We want to take control of our borders but you are now advocating no border controls.
#Brexitwin
LOL it won't be hard to spot these trucks full of Muslims will it! Although I have no idea what they have to do with Toyota Corollas other than this poster seems to have a fascination with them, I wonder why!
i think the point he is making is that if trucks are going to be "waived thru" then the checks that are happenening at the moment may not be being made... as the last thing the uk is going to need is extra checks on a bottleneck......
anyway that is a side issue.....
I still want to know if centy is being a hypocrite to try and score some petty points....
so does he agree with TM's deal (the one that Toyota supports).....
or
and that is the case then he must also agree toyota's assessment for their derbyshire factory that it could lose up to 10 million a day, if the no deal brexit he advocates for so strongly, goes thru....
he can't agree with one from one side of his mouth... and at the same time disagree with them from the other side.....
so either he agrees with and trusts all the things that toyota have said with regards to this factory...
or he doesn't believe anything......
after all.... those moneys are going to add up! right.......
So not doing the checks at the borders- is that taking back control?"I think the key phrase you are looking for with regard to Dover/Calais is 'continue to operate as normal'. That means having the same amount of checks as there are now. As for EasyUK's ludicrous claim about "lorries full of brown skinned Muslims being waved through" well that doesn't happen now and it won't happen after Brexit if Dover/Calais 'continue to operate as normal'. Besides the UK and France have a separate bilateral agreement called the Treaty of Le Touquet on border controls which has nothing to do with the EU. The Treaty of Le Touquet was signed in 2003 by uk Prime minister Tony Blair and French President Jaques Chirac. The Treaty of Le Touquet was reinforced by Theresa May and Emmanuel Macron in January 2018. The Treaty of Le Touquet is to allow implementation of border controls on both sides of the English channel in the UK and France to prevent illegal immigration and people smuggling, so the idea 'lorries full of brown skinned Muslims' will be waved through is both ridiculous and false. | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model.
again... you are baiting and switching...
from the same article YOU quoted...
Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........
so..............
you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal!
so which is it.......
I already answered that earlier in the thread so why do you keep asking the same question? My answer is the same as last time, that I think everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave in March on WTO terms. Democracy can't be over ruled or ignored because of something Toyota may or may not do. As it Stands Toyota are making the new Corolla in Derbyshire. The corolla is Toyota's best selling model world wide. There is a huge market in the world for the Corolla outside of the EU.
why do i keep asking the same question....
because by toyota's own admission for their plant in derbyshire... a no deal brexit could cost them up to 10 million pounds a day.....
source..... toyota's deputy managing director himself....
The deputy managing director of the Japanese car manufacturer said business could not understand why the UK should “go back to square one” in negotiations just because the deal was not perfect.
Giving evidence to a parliamentary select committee, Tony Walker said disruption to its supply chain as a result of the UK crashing out of the EU would put its Deeside and Burnaston plants on “stop-start” production for weeks or months, putting jobs and wages in jeopardy.
He told the business select committee the issue was not only that Toyota had truckloads of parts dispatched daily across the Dover-Calais route, but that they came over the Channel in a specific order tied to the production sequence.
“We do not just have the 50 trucks, we have to have them in sequence, it is no good if we have 49 trucks and truck 17 is missing,” he said. “[Production] will then stop. So without the withdrawal agreement and withdrawing with a no deal, we would have stop-start production for weeks, possibly months. It would be very, very difficult for us to cope with.
“The value of the cars we make is £10m a day. If we lose that sort of value it’s very, very challenging for us.”
so...... lets go back and see if you want to answer the question... rather than fudging it yet again...
Toyota support TM's proposed deal....
Toyota also say that a no deal brexit is "not an option" for them....
YOU are the biggest advocate of no deal brexit here....
so are you now agreeing with TM's deal.... or are you being a hypocrite and using toyota as your shining light but you don't agree with their position... and thus being a hypocrite for using them as your example.....
so... yet again.... yes or no???
What you just said doesn't add up. When there are strikes in France and hold ups at Dover/Calais just in time companies like Toyota still manage to cope. You say the trucks arrive at Dover/Calais in exact sequence and if just one truck is missing from the sequence it stops production. Seems like a silly way to run a business if just 1 missing truck stops production. What happens then when 1 truck breaks down and can't make it in sequence? The reality is Production doesn't stop, and the factory still continues to operate. The French and the guy in charge of Calais has already said there will be no hold ups there in the event of no deal. On the UK side in Dover similar no deal planning will ensure things continue to operate smoothly. There may possibly be some bumps in the road as people get used to new systems but that's to be expected with any big change of this magnitude. UK no deal planning has also shown some freight will be moved away from Dover/Calais to other ports to reduce pressure on Dover/Calais. Everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms.
Nope. When there are strikes car companies slow the production line and it costs them millions of pounds a day. Lots of other companies do to.
Calais will happily as allow trucks full of those nasty dark skinned Muslim immigrants through. What do they care now?
They didn't say anything about what happens in the other direction though did they?
They aren't going to slow the flow of goods to us but what about the other way?
We want to take control of our borders but you are now advocating no border controls.
#Brexitwin
LOL it won't be hard to spot these trucks full of Muslims will it! Although I have no idea what they have to do with Toyota Corollas other than this poster seems to have a fascination with them, I wonder why!
i think the point he is making is that if trucks are going to be "waived thru" then the checks that are happenening at the moment may not be being made... as the last thing the uk is going to need is extra checks on a bottleneck......
anyway that is a side issue.....
I still want to know if centy is being a hypocrite to try and score some petty points....
so does he agree with TM's deal (the one that Toyota supports).....
or
and that is the case then he must also agree toyota's assessment for their derbyshire factory that it could lose up to 10 million a day, if the no deal brexit he advocates for so strongly, goes thru....
he can't agree with one from one side of his mouth... and at the same time disagree with them from the other side.....
so either he agrees with and trusts all the things that toyota have said with regards to this factory...
or he doesn't believe anything......
after all.... those moneys are going to add up! right.......
So not doing the checks at the borders- is that taking back control?
I think the key phrase you are looking for with regard to Dover/Calais is 'continue to operate as normal'. That means having the same amount of checks as there are now. As for EasyUK's ludicrous claim about "lorries full of brown skinned Muslims being waved through" well that doesn't happen now and it won't happen after Brexit if Dover/Calais 'continue to operate as normal'. Besides the UK and France have a separate bilateral agreement called the Treaty of Le Touquet on border controls which has nothing to do with the EU. The Treaty of Le Touquet was signed in 2003 by uk Prime minister Tony Blair and French President Jaques Chirac. The Treaty of Le Touquet was reinforced by Theresa May and Emmanuel Macron in January 2018. The Treaty of Le Touquet is to allow implementation of border controls on both sides of the English channel in the UK and France to prevent illegal immigration and people smuggling, so the idea 'lorries full of brown skinned Muslims' will be waved through is both ridiculous and false. "The point I am making by the statement is that Calais does not need to make a single check of lorries leaving Calais. Boxes of bolts or illegal immigrants. They don't care what leaves the country. They are selling us stuff and are happy to send it. So they are telling the truth when they say that there will be no delays at their end. Naturally you've found an Express article to quote
There will be a 3-5 minute delay to check documentation for every lorry which will have time pre-register as per third country transfers now. Any failure to drink do so requiring parking up or returning.
However, both sides of the channel will check what comes through, so an inbound delay is inevitable unless you don't want to take control of our borders?
Is that what you have in mind? | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model.
again... you are baiting and switching...
from the same article YOU quoted...
Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........
so..............
you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal!
so which is it.......
I already answered that earlier in the thread so why do you keep asking the same question? My answer is the same as last time, that I think everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave in March on WTO terms. Democracy can't be over ruled or ignored because of something Toyota may or may not do. As it Stands Toyota are making the new Corolla in Derbyshire. The corolla is Toyota's best selling model world wide. There is a huge market in the world for the Corolla outside of the EU.
why do i keep asking the same question....
because by toyota's own admission for their plant in derbyshire... a no deal brexit could cost them up to 10 million pounds a day.....
source..... toyota's deputy managing director himself....
The deputy managing director of the Japanese car manufacturer said business could not understand why the UK should “go back to square one” in negotiations just because the deal was not perfect.
Giving evidence to a parliamentary select committee, Tony Walker said disruption to its supply chain as a result of the UK crashing out of the EU would put its Deeside and Burnaston plants on “stop-start” production for weeks or months, putting jobs and wages in jeopardy.
He told the business select committee the issue was not only that Toyota had truckloads of parts dispatched daily across the Dover-Calais route, but that they came over the Channel in a specific order tied to the production sequence.
“We do not just have the 50 trucks, we have to have them in sequence, it is no good if we have 49 trucks and truck 17 is missing,” he said. “[Production] will then stop. So without the withdrawal agreement and withdrawing with a no deal, we would have stop-start production for weeks, possibly months. It would be very, very difficult for us to cope with.
“The value of the cars we make is £10m a day. If we lose that sort of value it’s very, very challenging for us.”
so...... lets go back and see if you want to answer the question... rather than fudging it yet again...
Toyota support TM's proposed deal....
Toyota also say that a no deal brexit is "not an option" for them....
YOU are the biggest advocate of no deal brexit here....
so are you now agreeing with TM's deal.... or are you being a hypocrite and using toyota as your shining light but you don't agree with their position... and thus being a hypocrite for using them as your example.....
so... yet again.... yes or no???
What you just said doesn't add up. When there are strikes in France and hold ups at Dover/Calais just in time companies like Toyota still manage to cope. You say the trucks arrive at Dover/Calais in exact sequence and if just one truck is missing from the sequence it stops production. Seems like a silly way to run a business if just 1 missing truck stops production. What happens then when 1 truck breaks down and can't make it in sequence? The reality is Production doesn't stop, and the factory still continues to operate. The French and the guy in charge of Calais has already said there will be no hold ups there in the event of no deal. On the UK side in Dover similar no deal planning will ensure things continue to operate smoothly. There may possibly be some bumps in the road as people get used to new systems but that's to be expected with any big change of this magnitude. UK no deal planning has also shown some freight will be moved away from Dover/Calais to other ports to reduce pressure on Dover/Calais. Everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms.
Nope. When there are strikes car companies slow the production line and it costs them millions of pounds a day. Lots of other companies do to.
Calais will happily as allow trucks full of those nasty dark skinned Muslim immigrants through. What do they care now?
They didn't say anything about what happens in the other direction though did they?
They aren't going to slow the flow of goods to us but what about the other way?
We want to take control of our borders but you are now advocating no border controls.
#Brexitwin
LOL it won't be hard to spot these trucks full of Muslims will it! Although I have no idea what they have to do with Toyota Corollas other than this poster seems to have a fascination with them, I wonder why!
i think the point he is making is that if trucks are going to be "waived thru" then the checks that are happenening at the moment may not be being made... as the last thing the uk is going to need is extra checks on a bottleneck......
anyway that is a side issue.....
I still want to know if centy is being a hypocrite to try and score some petty points....
so does he agree with TM's deal (the one that Toyota supports).....
or
and that is the case then he must also agree toyota's assessment for their derbyshire factory that it could lose up to 10 million a day, if the no deal brexit he advocates for so strongly, goes thru....
he can't agree with one from one side of his mouth... and at the same time disagree with them from the other side.....
so either he agrees with and trusts all the things that toyota have said with regards to this factory...
or he doesn't believe anything......
after all.... those moneys are going to add up! right.......
So not doing the checks at the borders- is that taking back control?
I think the key phrase you are looking for with regard to Dover/Calais is 'continue to operate as normal'. That means having the same amount of checks as there are now. As for EasyUK's ludicrous claim about "lorries full of brown skinned Muslims being waved through" well that doesn't happen now and it won't happen after Brexit if Dover/Calais 'continue to operate as normal'. Besides the UK and France have a separate bilateral agreement called the Treaty of Le Touquet on border controls which has nothing to do with the EU. The Treaty of Le Touquet was signed in 2003 by uk Prime minister Tony Blair and French President Jaques Chirac. The Treaty of Le Touquet was reinforced by Theresa May and Emmanuel Macron in January 2018. The Treaty of Le Touquet is to allow implementation of border controls on both sides of the English channel in the UK and France to prevent illegal immigration and people smuggling, so the idea 'lorries full of brown skinned Muslims' will be waved through is both ridiculous and false.
The point I am making by the statement is that Calais does not need to make a single check of lorries leaving Calais. Boxes of bolts or illegal immigrants. They don't care what leaves the country. They are selling us stuff and are happy to send it. So they are telling the truth when they say that there will be no delays at their end.
Naturally you've found an Express article to quote
There will be a 3-5 minute delay to check documentation for every lorry which will have time pre-register as per third country transfers now. Any failure to drink do so requiring parking up or returning.
However, both sides of the channel will check what comes through, so an inbound delay is inevitable unless you don't want to take control of our borders?
Is that what you have in mind?"I didn't quote any Express article, if I wanted to do that I would've posted a link. It seems you're completely clueless about the Treaty of Le Touquet and your ridiculous claim about lorries full of brown skinned Muslims is complete and utter bollox. | |||
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"Doesn’t the treaty allow the Uk to make immigration checks on French soil? Rather than ask the French to do our checks? And I think it’s immigration only (makes sense when you’re in a Cu). How is this all going to work once we’re outside a customs union? " It'll work exactly the same as it does now because the Treaty of Le Touquet is completely separate to the EU and has nothing to do with the EU. As I said in an earlier comment Theresa May and Emmanuel Macron reaffirmed the Treaty of Le Touquet together in January 2018. | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model.
again... you are baiting and switching...
from the same article YOU quoted...
Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........
so..............
you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal!
so which is it.......
I already answered that earlier in the thread so why do you keep asking the same question? My answer is the same as last time, that I think everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave in March on WTO terms. Democracy can't be over ruled or ignored because of something Toyota may or may not do. As it Stands Toyota are making the new Corolla in Derbyshire. The corolla is Toyota's best selling model world wide. There is a huge market in the world for the Corolla outside of the EU.
why do i keep asking the same question....
because by toyota's own admission for their plant in derbyshire... a no deal brexit could cost them up to 10 million pounds a day.....
source..... toyota's deputy managing director himself....
The deputy managing director of the Japanese car manufacturer said business could not understand why the UK should “go back to square one” in negotiations just because the deal was not perfect.
Giving evidence to a parliamentary select committee, Tony Walker said disruption to its supply chain as a result of the UK crashing out of the EU would put its Deeside and Burnaston plants on “stop-start” production for weeks or months, putting jobs and wages in jeopardy.
He told the business select committee the issue was not only that Toyota had truckloads of parts dispatched daily across the Dover-Calais route, but that they came over the Channel in a specific order tied to the production sequence.
“We do not just have the 50 trucks, we have to have them in sequence, it is no good if we have 49 trucks and truck 17 is missing,” he said. “[Production] will then stop. So without the withdrawal agreement and withdrawing with a no deal, we would have stop-start production for weeks, possibly months. It would be very, very difficult for us to cope with.
“The value of the cars we make is £10m a day. If we lose that sort of value it’s very, very challenging for us.”
so...... lets go back and see if you want to answer the question... rather than fudging it yet again...
Toyota support TM's proposed deal....
Toyota also say that a no deal brexit is "not an option" for them....
YOU are the biggest advocate of no deal brexit here....
so are you now agreeing with TM's deal.... or are you being a hypocrite and using toyota as your shining light but you don't agree with their position... and thus being a hypocrite for using them as your example.....
so... yet again.... yes or no???
What you just said doesn't add up. When there are strikes in France and hold ups at Dover/Calais just in time companies like Toyota still manage to cope. You say the trucks arrive at Dover/Calais in exact sequence and if just one truck is missing from the sequence it stops production. Seems like a silly way to run a business if just 1 missing truck stops production. What happens then when 1 truck breaks down and can't make it in sequence? The reality is Production doesn't stop, and the factory still continues to operate. The French and the guy in charge of Calais has already said there will be no hold ups there in the event of no deal. On the UK side in Dover similar no deal planning will ensure things continue to operate smoothly. There may possibly be some bumps in the road as people get used to new systems but that's to be expected with any big change of this magnitude. UK no deal planning has also shown some freight will be moved away from Dover/Calais to other ports to reduce pressure on Dover/Calais. Everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms.
Nope. When there are strikes car companies slow the production line and it costs them millions of pounds a day. Lots of other companies do to.
Calais will happily as allow trucks full of those nasty dark skinned Muslim immigrants through. What do they care now?
They didn't say anything about what happens in the other direction though did they?
They aren't going to slow the flow of goods to us but what about the other way?
We want to take control of our borders but you are now advocating no border controls.
#Brexitwin
LOL it won't be hard to spot these trucks full of Muslims will it! Although I have no idea what they have to do with Toyota Corollas other than this poster seems to have a fascination with them, I wonder why!
i think the point he is making is that if trucks are going to be "waived thru" then the checks that are happenening at the moment may not be being made... as the last thing the uk is going to need is extra checks on a bottleneck......
anyway that is a side issue.....
I still want to know if centy is being a hypocrite to try and score some petty points....
so does he agree with TM's deal (the one that Toyota supports).....
or
and that is the case then he must also agree toyota's assessment for their derbyshire factory that it could lose up to 10 million a day, if the no deal brexit he advocates for so strongly, goes thru....
he can't agree with one from one side of his mouth... and at the same time disagree with them from the other side.....
so either he agrees with and trusts all the things that toyota have said with regards to this factory...
or he doesn't believe anything......
after all.... those moneys are going to add up! right.......
So not doing the checks at the borders- is that taking back control?
I think the key phrase you are looking for with regard to Dover/Calais is 'continue to operate as normal'. That means having the same amount of checks as there are now. As for EasyUK's ludicrous claim about "lorries full of brown skinned Muslims being waved through" well that doesn't happen now and it won't happen after Brexit if Dover/Calais 'continue to operate as normal'. Besides the UK and France have a separate bilateral agreement called the Treaty of Le Touquet on border controls which has nothing to do with the EU. The Treaty of Le Touquet was signed in 2003 by uk Prime minister Tony Blair and French President Jaques Chirac. The Treaty of Le Touquet was reinforced by Theresa May and Emmanuel Macron in January 2018. The Treaty of Le Touquet is to allow implementation of border controls on both sides of the English channel in the UK and France to prevent illegal immigration and people smuggling, so the idea 'lorries full of brown skinned Muslims' will be waved through is both ridiculous and false.
The point I am making by the statement is that Calais does not need to make a single check of lorries leaving Calais. Boxes of bolts or illegal immigrants. They don't care what leaves the country. They are selling us stuff and are happy to send it. So they are telling the truth when they say that there will be no delays at their end.
Naturally you've found an Express article to quote
There will be a 3-5 minute delay to check documentation for every lorry which will have time pre-register as per third country transfers now. Any failure to drink do so requiring parking up or returning.
However, both sides of the channel will check what comes through, so an inbound delay is inevitable unless you don't want to take control of our borders?
Is that what you have in mind?
I didn't quote any Express article, if I wanted to do that I would've posted a link. It seems you're completely clueless about the Treaty of Le Touquet and your ridiculous claim about lorries full of brown skinned Muslims is complete and utter bollox. "Of course you did. That's where your view of the world is formed. You only post from anywhere else if it appears to confirm the opinions that you have been given
As has been pointed out to you the Le Touquet agreement allows for immigration checks to be carried out at the departure end of the trip by both sets of customs.
That's it. Nothing to do with customs checks.
I didn't actually say that lorries full of illegal immigrants would cross the channel. I said that France will happily allow the free flow of goods out of France with no checks whatsoever, regardless of contents.
As we will be a third country the normal process is for documentation checks to take place for such items coming into Calais. That would then happen to UK goods.
Not complicated.
If we choose not to carry out border checks here then so be it, but that is not "taking back control" of our borders, unless of course you have a different definition. Perhaps you mean we could but we are "choosing" not to? | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model.
again... you are baiting and switching...
from the same article YOU quoted...
Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........
so..............
you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal!
so which is it.......
I already answered that earlier in the thread so why do you keep asking the same question? My answer is the same as last time, that I think everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave in March on WTO terms. Democracy can't be over ruled or ignored because of something Toyota may or may not do. As it Stands Toyota are making the new Corolla in Derbyshire. The corolla is Toyota's best selling model world wide. There is a huge market in the world for the Corolla outside of the EU.
why do i keep asking the same question....
because by toyota's own admission for their plant in derbyshire... a no deal brexit could cost them up to 10 million pounds a day.....
source..... toyota's deputy managing director himself....
The deputy managing director of the Japanese car manufacturer said business could not understand why the UK should “go back to square one” in negotiations just because the deal was not perfect.
Giving evidence to a parliamentary select committee, Tony Walker said disruption to its supply chain as a result of the UK crashing out of the EU would put its Deeside and Burnaston plants on “stop-start” production for weeks or months, putting jobs and wages in jeopardy.
He told the business select committee the issue was not only that Toyota had truckloads of parts dispatched daily across the Dover-Calais route, but that they came over the Channel in a specific order tied to the production sequence.
“We do not just have the 50 trucks, we have to have them in sequence, it is no good if we have 49 trucks and truck 17 is missing,” he said. “[Production] will then stop. So without the withdrawal agreement and withdrawing with a no deal, we would have stop-start production for weeks, possibly months. It would be very, very difficult for us to cope with.
“The value of the cars we make is £10m a day. If we lose that sort of value it’s very, very challenging for us.”
so...... lets go back and see if you want to answer the question... rather than fudging it yet again...
Toyota support TM's proposed deal....
Toyota also say that a no deal brexit is "not an option" for them....
YOU are the biggest advocate of no deal brexit here....
so are you now agreeing with TM's deal.... or are you being a hypocrite and using toyota as your shining light but you don't agree with their position... and thus being a hypocrite for using them as your example.....
so... yet again.... yes or no???
What you just said doesn't add up. When there are strikes in France and hold ups at Dover/Calais just in time companies like Toyota still manage to cope. You say the trucks arrive at Dover/Calais in exact sequence and if just one truck is missing from the sequence it stops production. Seems like a silly way to run a business if just 1 missing truck stops production. What happens then when 1 truck breaks down and can't make it in sequence? The reality is Production doesn't stop, and the factory still continues to operate. The French and the guy in charge of Calais has already said there will be no hold ups there in the event of no deal. On the UK side in Dover similar no deal planning will ensure things continue to operate smoothly. There may possibly be some bumps in the road as people get used to new systems but that's to be expected with any big change of this magnitude. UK no deal planning has also shown some freight will be moved away from Dover/Calais to other ports to reduce pressure on Dover/Calais. Everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms.
Nope. When there are strikes car companies slow the production line and it costs them millions of pounds a day. Lots of other companies do to.
Calais will happily as allow trucks full of those nasty dark skinned Muslim immigrants through. What do they care now?
They didn't say anything about what happens in the other direction though did they?
They aren't going to slow the flow of goods to us but what about the other way?
We want to take control of our borders but you are now advocating no border controls.
#Brexitwin
LOL it won't be hard to spot these trucks full of Muslims will it! Although I have no idea what they have to do with Toyota Corollas other than this poster seems to have a fascination with them, I wonder why!
i think the point he is making is that if trucks are going to be "waived thru" then the checks that are happenening at the moment may not be being made... as the last thing the uk is going to need is extra checks on a bottleneck......
anyway that is a side issue.....
I still want to know if centy is being a hypocrite to try and score some petty points....
so does he agree with TM's deal (the one that Toyota supports).....
or
and that is the case then he must also agree toyota's assessment for their derbyshire factory that it could lose up to 10 million a day, if the no deal brexit he advocates for so strongly, goes thru....
he can't agree with one from one side of his mouth... and at the same time disagree with them from the other side.....
so either he agrees with and trusts all the things that toyota have said with regards to this factory...
or he doesn't believe anything......
after all.... those moneys are going to add up! right.......
So not doing the checks at the borders- is that taking back control?
I think the key phrase you are looking for with regard to Dover/Calais is 'continue to operate as normal'. That means having the same amount of checks as there are now. As for EasyUK's ludicrous claim about "lorries full of brown skinned Muslims being waved through" well that doesn't happen now and it won't happen after Brexit if Dover/Calais 'continue to operate as normal'. Besides the UK and France have a separate bilateral agreement called the Treaty of Le Touquet on border controls which has nothing to do with the EU. The Treaty of Le Touquet was signed in 2003 by uk Prime minister Tony Blair and French President Jaques Chirac. The Treaty of Le Touquet was reinforced by Theresa May and Emmanuel Macron in January 2018. The Treaty of Le Touquet is to allow implementation of border controls on both sides of the English channel in the UK and France to prevent illegal immigration and people smuggling, so the idea 'lorries full of brown skinned Muslims' will be waved through is both ridiculous and false.
The point I am making by the statement is that Calais does not need to make a single check of lorries leaving Calais. Boxes of bolts or illegal immigrants. They don't care what leaves the country. They are selling us stuff and are happy to send it. So they are telling the truth when they say that there will be no delays at their end.
Naturally you've found an Express article to quote
There will be a 3-5 minute delay to check documentation for every lorry which will have time pre-register as per third country transfers now. Any failure to drink do so requiring parking up or returning.
However, both sides of the channel will check what comes through, so an inbound delay is inevitable unless you don't want to take control of our borders?
Is that what you have in mind?
I didn't quote any Express article, if I wanted to do that I would've posted a link. It seems you're completely clueless about the Treaty of Le Touquet and your ridiculous claim about lorries full of brown skinned Muslims is complete and utter bollox.
Of course you did. That's where your view of the world is formed.
You only post from anywhere else if it appears to confirm the opinions that you have been given
As has been pointed out to you the Le Touquet agreement allows for immigration checks to be carried out at the departure end of the trip by both sets of customs.
That's it. Nothing to do with customs checks.
I didn't actually say that lorries full of illegal immigrants would cross the channel. I said that France will happily allow the free flow of goods out of France with no checks whatsoever, regardless of contents.
As we will be a third country the normal process is for documentation checks to take place for such items coming into Calais. That would then happen to UK goods.
Not complicated.
If we choose not to carry out border checks here then so be it, but that is not "taking back control" of our borders, unless of course you have a different definition. Perhaps you mean we could but we are "choosing" not to? "I never said the treaty of Le Touquet was to do with customs checks. I said it is a bilateral agreement between the UK and France that has nothing to do with the EU. It allows UK authorities to carry out checks on French soil and it's a reciprocal arrangement so french authorities can carry out checks on UK soil if they want to. It is to deal with immigration and illegal immigration. If it's dealing with those things then the border won't be an open border as you claim it will be. Your ludicrous claim about lorries full of brown skinned Muslims is nonsense, unless you're in the business of people smuggling. Do you really think the UK and French governments want to allow it or will allow it? It's Bullshit on your part of the highest order. There are a certain amount of checks that go on now while we're a member of the EU, those same checks will continue after we've left the EU. | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model. "Under a No Deal WTO Brexit cars would attract a 10% tariff and components a 4.5% Brexit. So the profitability would be hammered. So what you are advocating is a No Deal, No Tariff WTO Brexit....which even your Economists for Brexit chums admit would decimate manufacturing in the country | |||
"Who gives a fuck what Toyota thinks? They don't live here, they don't holiday here, they don't shop here, there here for profit and profit only, the sooner they fuck off back to Japan the sooner we who do can move on." Even by your execrable standards this is utter nonsense | |||
"Doesn’t the treaty allow the Uk to make immigration checks on French soil? Rather than ask the French to do our checks? And I think it’s immigration only (makes sense when you’re in a Cu). How is this all going to work once we’re outside a customs union? It'll work exactly the same as it does now because the Treaty of Le Touquet is completely separate to the EU and has nothing to do with the EU. As I said in an earlier comment Theresa May and Emmanuel Macron reaffirmed the Treaty of Le Touquet together in January 2018. " I’m not asking how the treaty will work. Im asking where will custom checks take place ? Le touquet doesn’t cover this (why would it atm?) Sorry if that question wasn’t clear.... | |||
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" I’m not asking how the treaty will work. Im asking where will custom checks take place ? Le touquet doesn’t cover this (why would it atm?) Sorry if that question wasn’t clear.... " I think the question was clear... I just don’t think he knows the answer, or doesn’t want to acknowledge what the answer is, hence the bait and switch | |||
"Your original thread was an excuse to talk down the "remoaners" in private mate. You misquoting Tusk and twisting the entire thing it was on live TV millions watched him and know exactly what was said. So as you read through the comments you'll notice the recurring theme of you talking mince, quoting half a statement, being shot down, and finally resorting to insults and as per off you pop to lick your wounds and beat your breast The original thread was a thread about the BBC documentary called Europe - 10 years in turmoil. That is what the opening post in the thread was about. If other fab members then make comments that take the thread off on different tangents that is beyond my control. I don't control what other fab members decide to post anymore than you do. Threads go off on different tangents all the time. This thread is meant to be about the new Toyota Corolla being built in Derbyshire, yet here you are taking it off on a tangent about another thread.
Looks like you have got a new stalker, no doubt he will go the same way as the last one!
I did wonder what happened to Eddie and Slightly foxed? Looks like they've gone the same way as CLCC. "They could all be the same people. Admittedly this one swears more than the others, but the MO is exactly the same, as for typos??? | |||
" Under a No Deal WTO Brexit cars would attract a 10% tariff and components a 4.5% Brexit. So the profitability would be hammered. So what you are advocating is a No Deal, No Tariff WTO Brexit....which even your Economists for Brexit chums admit would decimate manufacturing in the country" The Leave campaign repeatedly dismissed this sort of thinking as “silly”. Silly: “ having or showing a lack of common sense or judgement; absurd and foolish”. Yep. | |||
" I’m not asking how the treaty will work. Im asking where will custom checks take place ? Le touquet doesn’t cover this (why would it atm?) Sorry if that question wasn’t clear.... I think the question was clear... I just don’t think he knows the answer, or doesn’t want to acknowledge what the answer is, hence the bait and switch "Tbf,my final question may have read like I was just talking about the current treaty. Rather than how custom checks would work. I think we both read the question one way because we are both questioning the same thing whixh was along the lines of the general thread. However if Centaur was concentrating on the treaty (which he may be given he raised it) he could have read it the other. | |||
" I’m not asking how the treaty will work. Im asking where will custom checks take place ? Le touquet doesn’t cover this (why would it atm?) Sorry if that question wasn’t clear.... I think the question was clear... I just don’t think he knows the answer, or doesn’t want to acknowledge what the answer is, hence the bait and switch "The question was answered in previous comments if you'd bothered to read the thread properly Fabio. There are a certain amount of customs checks that happen now while we're a member of the EU. Those checks will continue after Brexit. Immigration and illegal immigration is stopped by the Treaty of Le Touquet which is a completely separate bilateral agreement between the UK and France and has nothing to do with the EU, so it is not controlled or influenced by the EU. The Treaty of Le Touquet will continue to operate after Brexit in exactly the same way as it does now. | |||
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" I’m not asking how the treaty will work. Im asking where will custom checks take place ? Le touquet doesn’t cover this (why would it atm?) Sorry if that question wasn’t clear.... I think the question was clear... I just don’t think he knows the answer, or doesn’t want to acknowledge what the answer is, hence the bait and switch
The question was answered in previous comments if you'd bothered to read the thread properly Fabio. There are a certain amount of customs checks that happen now while we're a member of the EU. Those checks will continue after Brexit. Immigration and illegal immigration is stopped by the Treaty of Le Touquet which is a completely separate bilateral agreement between the UK and France and has nothing to do with the EU, so it is not controlled or influenced by the EU. The Treaty of Le Touquet will continue to operate after Brexit in exactly the same way as it does now. "At the moment it’s only non-eu 3rd party traffic that has to be border checked... what people are trying to inform you off very nicely but you seem not to understand is that in the event of a no deal brexit, the uk becomes a third party country!! And then everything will need to be checked.... That is the bit you seem not to comprehend....or seem to scream la la la with finger in ears | |||
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"Centaur_UK dodging answers after being called out has become a fun game to watch on here, dude is always the loudest to bark until someone challenges his lies, then it's insult this and "Remoaners" that. He's a gammon in the making. "What question have I dodged on this thread? I've answered Fabio's question 5 or 6 times already. As for throwing insults you may want to take a long hard look in the mirror, couldn't resist throwing the gammon jibe in there could you | |||
" I’m not asking how the treaty will work. Im asking where will custom checks take place ? Le touquet doesn’t cover this (why would it atm?) Sorry if that question wasn’t clear.... I think the question was clear... I just don’t think he knows the answer, or doesn’t want to acknowledge what the answer is, hence the bait and switch
The question was answered in previous comments if you'd bothered to read the thread properly Fabio. There are a certain amount of customs checks that happen now while we're a member of the EU. Those checks will continue after Brexit. Immigration and illegal immigration is stopped by the Treaty of Le Touquet which is a completely separate bilateral agreement between the UK and France and has nothing to do with the EU, so it is not controlled or influenced by the EU. The Treaty of Le Touquet will continue to operate after Brexit in exactly the same way as it does now.
At the moment it’s only non-eu 3rd party traffic that has to be border checked... what people are trying to inform you off very nicely but you seem not to understand is that in the event of a no deal brexit, the uk becomes a third party country!! And then everything will need to be checked....
That is the bit you seem not to comprehend....or seem to scream la la la with finger in ears "And when the french and the guy in charge of the port of Calais tell you that won't happen, you chose to ignore it, or you seem not to comprehend.....or you scream la la la with your fingers in your ears. | |||
"Interesting story emerging about how the British establishment, far from trying to disrupt people trafficking, has been using it to smuggle its own people into the UK. An Iranian nuclear scientist among those who turned up in a dinghy on the Kent coast on Dec 31, collected by MI6 who had arranged his passage." Which conspiracy theory website did you get that from? | |||
"Interesting story emerging about how the British establishment, far from trying to disrupt people trafficking, has been using it to smuggle its own people into the UK. An Iranian nuclear scientist among those who turned up in a dinghy on the Kent coast on Dec 31, collected by MI6 who had arranged his passage." Why would MI6 need to smuggle this scientist in to the UK! Surely they could pick him up in France and drive/fly him here even if they had to provide him with a fake passport, would save hanging around for a dinghy and the press to turn up! | |||
" I’m not asking how the treaty will work. Im asking where will custom checks take place ? Le touquet doesn’t cover this (why would it atm?) Sorry if that question wasn’t clear.... I think the question was clear... I just don’t think he knows the answer, or doesn’t want to acknowledge what the answer is, hence the bait and switch
The question was answered in previous comments if you'd bothered to read the thread properly Fabio. There are a certain amount of customs checks that happen now while we're a member of the EU. Those checks will continue after Brexit. Immigration and illegal immigration is stopped by the Treaty of Le Touquet which is a completely separate bilateral agreement between the UK and France and has nothing to do with the EU, so it is not controlled or influenced by the EU. The Treaty of Le Touquet will continue to operate after Brexit in exactly the same way as it does now.
At the moment it’s only non-eu 3rd party traffic that has to be border checked... what people are trying to inform you off very nicely but you seem not to understand is that in the event of a no deal brexit, the uk becomes a third party country!! And then everything will need to be checked....
That is the bit you seem not to comprehend....or seem to scream la la la with finger in ears
And when the french and the guy in charge of the port of Calais tell you that won't happen, you chose to ignore it, or you seem not to comprehend.....or you scream la la la with your fingers in your ears. "Xavier Bertrand and Jean-Paul Mulot actually clarified that Calais would not be shut down in the event of a no deal Brexit and they would do everything possible to minimise delays. They did not sat that there would not be delays. They did not say that they would not carry out the legally required checks. Hear what you want to hear Centaur, as usual. | |||
"never did answer the question... so lets try one more time.... are you advocating for TM's deal..... or advocating for a no deal brexit.... Toyota say they support mays deal, Toyota say a no deal brexit with be really negative for their business and no deal is not an option... so which is it? Why does it have to be either or? This is not a zero sum game. I think most people would welcome a deal. But if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms. toyota are saying for them it is a zero sum game.... so if you are going to be show toyota up to be your "beacon light" of brexit.... then you would agree with why they say on both parts! because obviously who would know Toyota better than Toyota......... so again.... lets ask the question Toyota say they support TM's deal.... Toyota also say that a No deal Brexit would be bad for their business and is not an option for them..... you are the biggest advocate of a no deal brexit here.... so you either agree... or you are being really hypocritical yet again...... so which is it?
It remains to be seen what Toyota would do in a no deal scenario. I recall lots of celebs in the USA saying they would leave the USA if Donald Trump was elected President. Did they leave when he was elected? No they're still there to this day. What people say and what people actually do when it comes down to the cruch are different matters entirely. The Toyota Corolla is Toyota's best selling car world side. They can make it in the uk and sell to the whole world under a WTO brexit. The EU is not the only market for the Corolla model.
again... you are baiting and switching...
from the same article YOU quoted...
Marvin Cooke, managing director of Toyota Manufacturing UK, said: “Our position on this has not changed. We support the transitional deal that has been proposed by Mrs May. For us, a no-deal Brexit is not an option.”
they support Mays deal, you support a no deal brexit........
so..............
you are being hypocritical yet again, unless your position has now changed... and you are now supporting mays deal!
so which is it.......
I already answered that earlier in the thread so why do you keep asking the same question? My answer is the same as last time, that I think everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave in March on WTO terms. Democracy can't be over ruled or ignored because of something Toyota may or may not do. As it Stands Toyota are making the new Corolla in Derbyshire. The corolla is Toyota's best selling model world wide. There is a huge market in the world for the Corolla outside of the EU.
why do i keep asking the same question....
because by toyota's own admission for their plant in derbyshire... a no deal brexit could cost them up to 10 million pounds a day.....
source..... toyota's deputy managing director himself....
The deputy managing director of the Japanese car manufacturer said business could not understand why the UK should “go back to square one” in negotiations just because the deal was not perfect.
Giving evidence to a parliamentary select committee, Tony Walker said disruption to its supply chain as a result of the UK crashing out of the EU would put its Deeside and Burnaston plants on “stop-start” production for weeks or months, putting jobs and wages in jeopardy.
He told the business select committee the issue was not only that Toyota had truckloads of parts dispatched daily across the Dover-Calais route, but that they came over the Channel in a specific order tied to the production sequence.
“We do not just have the 50 trucks, we have to have them in sequence, it is no good if we have 49 trucks and truck 17 is missing,” he said. “[Production] will then stop. So without the withdrawal agreement and withdrawing with a no deal, we would have stop-start production for weeks, possibly months. It would be very, very difficult for us to cope with.
“The value of the cars we make is £10m a day. If we lose that sort of value it’s very, very challenging for us.”
so...... lets go back and see if you want to answer the question... rather than fudging it yet again...
Toyota support TM's proposed deal....
Toyota also say that a no deal brexit is "not an option" for them....
YOU are the biggest advocate of no deal brexit here....
so are you now agreeing with TM's deal.... or are you being a hypocrite and using toyota as your shining light but you don't agree with their position... and thus being a hypocrite for using them as your example.....
so... yet again.... yes or no???
What you just said doesn't add up. When there are strikes in France and hold ups at Dover/Calais just in time companies like Toyota still manage to cope. You say the trucks arrive at Dover/Calais in exact sequence and if just one truck is missing from the sequence it stops production. Seems like a silly way to run a business if just 1 missing truck stops production. What happens then when 1 truck breaks down and can't make it in sequence? The reality is Production doesn't stop, and the factory still continues to operate. The French and the guy in charge of Calais has already said there will be no hold ups there in the event of no deal. On the UK side in Dover similar no deal planning will ensure things continue to operate smoothly. There may possibly be some bumps in the road as people get used to new systems but that's to be expected with any big change of this magnitude. UK no deal planning has also shown some freight will be moved away from Dover/Calais to other ports to reduce pressure on Dover/Calais. Everyone would welcome a deal but if one can't be reached we must be ready to leave on WTO terms.
Nope. When there are strikes car companies slow the production line and it costs them millions of pounds a day. Lots of other companies do to.
Calais will happily as allow trucks full of those nasty dark skinned Muslim immigrants through. What do they care now?
They didn't say anything about what happens in the other direction though did they?
They aren't going to slow the flow of goods to us but what about the other way?
We want to take control of our borders but you are now advocating no border controls.
#Brexitwin
LOL it won't be hard to spot these trucks full of Muslims will it! Although I have no idea what they have to do with Toyota Corollas other than this poster seems to have a fascination with them, I wonder why!
i think the point he is making is that if trucks are going to be "waived thru" then the checks that are happenening at the moment may not be being made... as the last thing the uk is going to need is extra checks on a bottleneck......
anyway that is a side issue.....
I still want to know if centy is being a hypocrite to try and score some petty points....
so does he agree with TM's deal (the one that Toyota supports).....
or
and that is the case then he must also agree toyota's assessment for their derbyshire factory that it could lose up to 10 million a day, if the no deal brexit he advocates for so strongly, goes thru....
he can't agree with one from one side of his mouth... and at the same time disagree with them from the other side.....
so either he agrees with and trusts all the things that toyota have said with regards to this factory...
or he doesn't believe anything......
after all.... those moneys are going to add up! right.......
So not doing the checks at the borders- is that taking back control?
I think the key phrase you are looking for with regard to Dover/Calais is 'continue to operate as normal'. That means having the same amount of checks as there are now. As for EasyUK's ludicrous claim about "lorries full of brown skinned Muslims being waved through" well that doesn't happen now and it won't happen after Brexit if Dover/Calais 'continue to operate as normal'. Besides the UK and France have a separate bilateral agreement called the Treaty of Le Touquet on border controls which has nothing to do with the EU. The Treaty of Le Touquet was signed in 2003 by uk Prime minister Tony Blair and French President Jaques Chirac. The Treaty of Le Touquet was reinforced by Theresa May and Emmanuel Macron in January 2018. The Treaty of Le Touquet is to allow implementation of border controls on both sides of the English channel in the UK and France to prevent illegal immigration and people smuggling, so the idea 'lorries full of brown skinned Muslims' will be waved through is both ridiculous and false.
The point I am making by the statement is that Calais does not need to make a single check of lorries leaving Calais. Boxes of bolts or illegal immigrants. They don't care what leaves the country. They are selling us stuff and are happy to send it. So they are telling the truth when they say that there will be no delays at their end.
Naturally you've found an Express article to quote
There will be a 3-5 minute delay to check documentation for every lorry which will have time pre-register as per third country transfers now. Any failure to drink do so requiring parking up or returning.
However, both sides of the channel will check what comes through, so an inbound delay is inevitable unless you don't want to take control of our borders?
Is that what you have in mind?
I didn't quote any Express article, if I wanted to do that I would've posted a link. It seems you're completely clueless about the Treaty of Le Touquet and your ridiculous claim about lorries full of brown skinned Muslims is complete and utter bollox.
Of course you did. That's where your view of the world is formed.
You only post from anywhere else if it appears to confirm the opinions that you have been given
As has been pointed out to you the Le Touquet agreement allows for immigration checks to be carried out at the departure end of the trip by both sets of customs.
That's it. Nothing to do with customs checks.
I didn't actually say that lorries full of illegal immigrants would cross the channel. I said that France will happily allow the free flow of goods out of France with no checks whatsoever, regardless of contents.
As we will be a third country the normal process is for documentation checks to take place for such items coming into Calais. That would then happen to UK goods.
Not complicated.
If we choose not to carry out border checks here then so be it, but that is not "taking back control" of our borders, unless of course you have a different definition. Perhaps you mean we could but we are "choosing" not to?
I never said the treaty of Le Touquet was to do with customs checks. I said it is a bilateral agreement between the UK and France that has nothing to do with the EU. It allows UK authorities to carry out checks on French soil and it's a reciprocal arrangement so french authorities can carry out checks on UK soil if they want to. It is to deal with immigration and illegal immigration. If it's dealing with those things then the border won't be an open border as you claim it will be. Your ludicrous claim about lorries full of brown skinned Muslims is nonsense, unless you're in the business of people smuggling. Do you really think the UK and French governments want to allow it or will allow it? It's Bullshit on your part of the highest order. There are a certain amount of checks that go on now while we're a member of the EU, those same checks will continue after we've left the EU. "So it has no significance whatsoever to what was being discussed. Excellent point then | |||
"Interesting story emerging about how the British establishment, far from trying to disrupt people trafficking, has been using it to smuggle its own people into the UK. An Iranian nuclear scientist among those who turned up in a dinghy on the Kent coast on Dec 31, collected by MI6 who had arranged his passage. Why would MI6 need to smuggle this scientist in to the UK! Surely they could pick him up in France and drive/fly him here even if they had to provide him with a fake passport, would save hanging around for a dinghy and the press to turn up! "It is a peculiar story indeed. Mossad smuggled him out, he traverses across Europe, gets on a dinghy and lands on a beach at Kent. Now in the hands of the US. How much of it is true, I do not know. Neither do I know the source of it. But the papers here and in Israel are running with it. Politically, it is odd, too. Both Israel and US are pursuing regime change in Iran and are boycotting the nuclear agreement between Iran and P5 + 2 group; the UK is adhering to the agreement and working with the EU to evade US sanctions. | |||
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"Interesting story emerging about how the British establishment, far from trying to disrupt people trafficking, has been using it to smuggle its own people into the UK. An Iranian nuclear scientist among those who turned up in a dinghy on the Kent coast on Dec 31, collected by MI6 who had arranged his passage. Why would MI6 need to smuggle this scientist in to the UK! Surely they could pick him up in France and drive/fly him here even if they had to provide him with a fake passport, would save hanging around for a dinghy and the press to turn up!
It is a peculiar story indeed.
Mossad smuggled him out, he traverses across Europe, gets on a dinghy and lands on a beach at Kent.
Now in the hands of the US.
How much of it is true, I do not know. Neither do I know the source of it. But the papers here and in Israel are running with it.
Politically, it is odd, too. Both Israel and US are pursuing regime change in Iran and are boycotting the nuclear agreement between Iran and P5 + 2 group; the UK is adhering to the agreement and working with the EU to evade US sanctions.
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" I’m not asking how the treaty will work. Im asking where will custom checks take place ? Le touquet doesn’t cover this (why would it atm?) Sorry if that question wasn’t clear.... I think the question was clear... I just don’t think he knows the answer, or doesn’t want to acknowledge what the answer is, hence the bait and switch
The question was answered in previous comments if you'd bothered to read the thread properly Fabio. There are a certain amount of customs checks that happen now while we're a member of the EU. Those checks will continue after Brexit. Immigration and illegal immigration is stopped by the Treaty of Le Touquet which is a completely separate bilateral agreement between the UK and France and has nothing to do with the EU, so it is not controlled or influenced by the EU. The Treaty of Le Touquet will continue to operate after Brexit in exactly the same way as it does now.
At the moment it’s only non-eu 3rd party traffic that has to be border checked... what people are trying to inform you off very nicely but you seem not to understand is that in the event of a no deal brexit, the uk becomes a third party country!! And then everything will need to be checked....
That is the bit you seem not to comprehend....or seem to scream la la la with finger in ears
And when the french and the guy in charge of the port of Calais tell you that won't happen, you chose to ignore it, or you seem not to comprehend.....or you scream la la la with your fingers in your ears.
Xavier Bertrand and Jean-Paul Mulot actually clarified that Calais would not be shut down in the event of a no deal Brexit and they would do everything possible to minimise delays.
They did not sat that there would not be delays. They did not say that they would not carry out the legally required checks.
Hear what you want to hear Centaur, as usual."They did not say there would be long delays. They did not say they would carry out additional checks beyond what they currently employ now. Hear what you want to hear EasyUK, as usual. | |||
"I guess, too, the UK may not want to be seen to be actively aiding a defector, when a British citizen is languishing in jail in Iran. " If that was the case why would they let him turn up on a beach where there would be a good chance the press would be waiting to film his arrival and broadcast it for all to see! | |||
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" I’m not asking how the treaty will work. Im asking where will custom checks take place ? Le touquet doesn’t cover this (why would it atm?) Sorry if that question wasn’t clear.... I think the question was clear... I just don’t think he knows the answer, or doesn’t want to acknowledge what the answer is, hence the bait and switch
The question was answered in previous comments if you'd bothered to read the thread properly Fabio. There are a certain amount of customs checks that happen now while we're a member of the EU. Those checks will continue after Brexit. Immigration and illegal immigration is stopped by the Treaty of Le Touquet which is a completely separate bilateral agreement between the UK and France and has nothing to do with the EU, so it is not controlled or influenced by the EU. The Treaty of Le Touquet will continue to operate after Brexit in exactly the same way as it does now.
At the moment it’s only non-eu 3rd party traffic that has to be border checked... what people are trying to inform you off very nicely but you seem not to understand is that in the event of a no deal brexit, the uk becomes a third party country!! And then everything will need to be checked....
That is the bit you seem not to comprehend....or seem to scream la la la with finger in ears
And when the french and the guy in charge of the port of Calais tell you that won't happen, you chose to ignore it, or you seem not to comprehend.....or you scream la la la with your fingers in your ears.
Xavier Bertrand and Jean-Paul Mulot actually clarified that Calais would not be shut down in the event of a no deal Brexit and they would do everything possible to minimise delays.
They did not sat that there would not be delays. They did not say that they would not carry out the legally required checks.
Hear what you want to hear Centaur, as usual.
They did not say there would be long delays. They did not say they would carry out additional checks beyond what they currently employ now.
Hear what you want to hear EasyUK, as usual. "So are we not going to "take back control" of our borders then? -Matt | |||
"From the Times of Israel: After the Mossad successfully extracted the technician in December, and he was debriefed in Israel, he began a 3,000-kilometer (1,865-mile) journey across Europe to reach the UK, the report said. MI6 was reportedly tasked with getting him through Europe and into the British Isles, after which he was to be transferred to the US. Iranian authorities quickly noticed he was missing and apparently sent a force to track him down, the report said. “This wasn’t without its challenges,” a source told the Sunday Express. “His absence was noted quickly, and we were informed that a special unit of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps was sent after him.” The scientist, who was not named in the report, made it as far as France, but then MI6 was faced with a problem: although the US had pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal, the UK was still upholding the agreement and therefore did not want to transport the Iranian technician into England, the report said. Instead, agents reportedly decided to smuggle the man into the country by hiding him among Iranian migrants aiming to reach Britain’s shores. “We couldn’t simply fly him in,” a source was quoted as saying. “Though unusual, it was determined infiltrating him into a group of fellow migrants preparing to cross the Channel by boat offered one solution.” The technician was helped to join 11 other Iranians who set off from France in a rubber dinghy to cross the English Channel and land in Dover on New Year’s Eve, the report said. As part of the plan, a UK Border Force ship was put on standby to pick up the dinghy as it reached Britain. However, the migrant’s craft drifted off course and after covering 35 kilometers (22 miles) at sea eventually reached the shore 48 kilometers (30 miles) further down the coast, at Lydd, where passing motorists reported the small group to police. The arrival of the dinghy, carrying nine men, two women, and a 10-year-old child, was widely covered by British media at the time, though the presence of a scientist was not noted. Police were dispatched to the beach to pick up the migrants, and MI6 agents quickly moved in to retrieve the technician, who was taken to a safehouse and questioned by intelligence officials, the report said. “We were reassured during our interview Iran seems to be sticking by the terms of the JCPOA,” the source was quoted as saying. “This is good news.” After being interviewed by British authorities, the technician was transported to the US, the report said." Could be one for Jackanory! | |||
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" I’m not asking how the treaty will work. Im asking where will custom checks take place ? Le touquet doesn’t cover this (why would it atm?) Sorry if that question wasn’t clear.... I think the question was clear... I just don’t think he knows the answer, or doesn’t want to acknowledge what the answer is, hence the bait and switch
The question was answered in previous comments if you'd bothered to read the thread properly Fabio. There are a certain amount of customs checks that happen now while we're a member of the EU. Those checks will continue after Brexit. Immigration and illegal immigration is stopped by the Treaty of Le Touquet which is a completely separate bilateral agreement between the UK and France and has nothing to do with the EU, so it is not controlled or influenced by the EU. The Treaty of Le Touquet will continue to operate after Brexit in exactly the same way as it does now.
At the moment it’s only non-eu 3rd party traffic that has to be border checked... what people are trying to inform you off very nicely but you seem not to understand is that in the event of a no deal brexit, the uk becomes a third party country!! And then everything will need to be checked....
That is the bit you seem not to comprehend....or seem to scream la la la with finger in ears
And when the french and the guy in charge of the port of Calais tell you that won't happen, you chose to ignore it, or you seem not to comprehend.....or you scream la la la with your fingers in your ears.
Xavier Bertrand and Jean-Paul Mulot actually clarified that Calais would not be shut down in the event of a no deal Brexit and they would do everything possible to minimise delays.
They did not sat that there would not be delays. They did not say that they would not carry out the legally required checks.
Hear what you want to hear Centaur, as usual.
They did not say there would be long delays. They did not say they would carry out additional checks beyond what they currently employ now.
Hear what you want to hear EasyUK, as usual.
So are we not going to "take back control" of our borders then?
-Matt"Yes we are taking back control of our borders because we're ending free movement of people. Customs checks do not relate to the free movement of people. Customs checks relates to the free movement of goods. | |||
" Yes we are taking back control of our borders because we're ending free movement of people. Customs checks do not relate to the free movement of people. Customs checks relates to the free movement of goods. " Do you ever think you are being taken for a ride? Free movement isn't ending. Look at the dot.gov website and their advice on No Deal Brexit. Any citizen of the EU will be entitled to enter the UK and stay here for 3 months. Exactly the same as the rules that apply at the moment. After 3 months, they need to demonstrate they can sustain themselves here. Exactly the same as the rules that apply at the moment (but which a certain Home Secretary, one Theresa May, chose not to enforce because she refused to spend money on the IT). The other problem with your argument is the Border Force has no way of knowing who is a pre-existing EU citizen living in the UK, and who is a new arrival. It's a complete shambles. And let's not forgot the free movement across the only land border between the EU and the UK. | |||
" Yes we are taking back control of our borders because we're ending free movement of people. Customs checks do not relate to the free movement of people. Customs checks relates to the free movement of goods. Do you ever think you are being taken for a ride? Free movement isn't ending. Look at the dot.gov website and their advice on No Deal Brexit. Any citizen of the EU will be entitled to enter the UK and stay here for 3 months. Exactly the same as the rules that apply at the moment. After 3 months, they need to demonstrate they can sustain themselves here. Exactly the same as the rules that apply at the moment (but which a certain Home Secretary, one Theresa May, chose not to enforce because she refused to spend money on the IT). The other problem with your argument is the Border Force has no way of knowing who is a pre-existing EU citizen living in the UK, and who is a new arrival. " The border force will know who is a pre-existing EU citizen living in the UK, and who is a new arrival because all EU citizens currently living in the Uk before brexit are required to register with the government's EU settlement scheme. If you Google "EU settlement scheme" you can read all about it there on the government website. | |||
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" I’m not asking how the treaty will work. Im asking where will custom checks take place ? Le touquet doesn’t cover this (why would it atm?) Sorry if that question wasn’t clear.... I think the question was clear... I just don’t think he knows the answer, or doesn’t want to acknowledge what the answer is, hence the bait and switch
The question was answered in previous comments if you'd bothered to read the thread properly Fabio. There are a certain amount of customs checks that happen now while we're a member of the EU. Those checks will continue after Brexit. Immigration and illegal immigration is stopped by the Treaty of Le Touquet which is a completely separate bilateral agreement between the UK and France and has nothing to do with the EU, so it is not controlled or influenced by the EU. The Treaty of Le Touquet will continue to operate after Brexit in exactly the same way as it does now.
At the moment it’s only non-eu 3rd party traffic that has to be border checked... what people are trying to inform you off very nicely but you seem not to understand is that in the event of a no deal brexit, the uk becomes a third party country!! And then everything will need to be checked....
That is the bit you seem not to comprehend....or seem to scream la la la with finger in ears
And when the french and the guy in charge of the port of Calais tell you that won't happen, you chose to ignore it, or you seem not to comprehend.....or you scream la la la with your fingers in your ears.
Xavier Bertrand and Jean-Paul Mulot actually clarified that Calais would not be shut down in the event of a no deal Brexit and they would do everything possible to minimise delays.
They did not sat that there would not be delays. They did not say that they would not carry out the legally required checks.
Hear what you want to hear Centaur, as usual.
They did not say there would be long delays. They did not say they would carry out additional checks beyond what they currently employ now.
Hear what you want to hear EasyUK, as usual. "Let's go through this again. Dominic Raab said in the House of Commons that the French would deliberately go slow. The regional authorities said that wouldn't be the case. They don't really need to say that that they would apply the appropriate international law which requires that they treat us as a foreign country because... that's what you asked to happen. You can keep repeating my phrases and keep being utterly wrong. #Brexitfantasy | |||
" Yes we are taking back control of our borders because we're ending free movement of people. Customs checks do not relate to the free movement of people. Customs checks relates to the free movement of goods. Do you ever think you are being taken for a ride? Free movement isn't ending. Look at the dot.gov website and their advice on No Deal Brexit. Any citizen of the EU will be entitled to enter the UK and stay here for 3 months. Exactly the same as the rules that apply at the moment. After 3 months, they need to demonstrate they can sustain themselves here. Exactly the same as the rules that apply at the moment (but which a certain Home Secretary, one Theresa May, chose not to enforce because she refused to spend money on the IT). The other problem with your argument is the Border Force has no way of knowing who is a pre-existing EU citizen living in the UK, and who is a new arrival. The border force will know who is a pre-existing EU citizen living in the UK, and who is a new arrival because all EU citizens currently living in the Uk before brexit are required to register with the government's EU settlement scheme. If you Google "EU settlement scheme" you can read all about it there on the government website. " Don't forget you need to set this into the context of a country that scrapped exit checks on it's borders for many years. Even when the then home secretary (Someone called Theresa May?) rushed them back in, they were screwed up and missing loads of records: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/28/border-exit-checks-records-of-600000-people-missing-watchdog-reveals You do put a remarkable amount of trust in this government Centy. Given their track record with immigration issues (Windrush, anyone?)... I really don't understand why you are so confident in them. -Matt | |||
"Eventually they will, yes. But the IT isn't in place yet to allow that to happen. Neither is the regulation to empower it. " The pilot scheme was rolled out last year in 2018. The full scheme is up and running now. There is a direct link to the application forms for EU citizens on the government website. | |||
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