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Is there something wrong with some conservative MPs, perhaps an unusual/bent moral compass etc?
Chris Chope MP blocked a bill amending the 1989 Children Act to include FGM on the list of things (like forced marriage or domestic violence) for which the courts can issue protection orders if they think a child is at risk. He's similarly blocked motions to debate Hillsborough, pardon Alan Turing, ban the use of wild animals in circuses, target ‘upskirting’ - which he received widespread comdemnation over. (Zac Goldsmith comments, abridged)
What should be done about such people, who fail to have rightful protections implemented, to support their locals and people nationally? Is this a peculiar right-wing mentality? (His seat is viewed as very safe). |
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over a year ago
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Doesn’t he believe some motions should be debated properly and given proper scrutiny rather than passed through as a private’s member bill.
Iirc the upskirfing law was shown to be poorly worsened even if the intent was absolutely spot on. |
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"Doesn’t he believe some motions should be debated properly and given proper scrutiny rather than passed through as a private’s member bill.
Iirc the upskirfing law was shown to be poorly worsened even if the intent was absolutely spot on. "
Exactly this, but of course it's the misleading headlines that grab the attention and get everybodys backs up |
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"Doesn’t he believe some motions should be debated properly and given proper scrutiny rather than passed through as a private’s member bill.
Iirc the upskirfing law was shown to be poorly worsened even if the intent was absolutely spot on. "
He only objects and seems to want Parliamentary scrutiny on certain things..
He has sat on his hands in similar private members bills moved by his friends in the tory party several times..
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He says that he acts because he wants motions to be properly debated but his track record, the results that happen etc hints otherwise.
The motions do get fuller debate, the voting is an element of the process of much fuller scrutiny. He seems to gladly wave through motions that his friends put forward and the seemingly whiter than white intent to ensure appropriate scrutiny etc, is a get out of jail card, that deflects from someone who's certainly up to far more than he's accepting. |
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He has a rather unusual predilection towards blocking certain things. Eg
'Ministers have stepped in to ensure a global women’s conference can be held in the Commons after the Conservative MP Christopher Chope used parliamentary procedure to obstruct the plan'.
He sees protocol issues within parliament but appears to do little to attempt to gain changes there. It's tragic that in particular women could be severely affected by his ongoing behaviour. |
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"Doesn’t he believe some motions should be debated properly and given proper scrutiny rather than passed through as a private’s member bill.
Iirc the upskirfing law was shown to be poorly worsened even if the intent was absolutely spot on.
He only objects and seems to want Parliamentary scrutiny on certain things..
He has sat on his hands in similar private members bills moved by his friends in the tory party several times..
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He sat on his hands today, whilst a friend's bill was cleared, funnily enough but blocked the female genital mutilation amendment.  |
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There is a time and a place for proper debate for sure. (Unless it’s his mates bill)
But to dig your heels in over something like FGM on a matter of principle is something else.
A real piece of work. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Is there something wrong with some conservative MPs, perhaps an unusual/bent moral compass etc?
Chris Chope MP blocked a bill amending the 1989 Children Act to include FGM on the list of things (like forced marriage or domestic violence) for which the courts can issue protection orders if they think a child is at risk. He's similarly blocked motions to debate Hillsborough, pardon Alan Turing, ban the use of wild animals in circuses, target ‘upskirting’ - which he received widespread comdemnation over. (Zac Goldsmith comments, abridged)
What should be done about such people, who fail to have rightful protections implemented, to support their locals and people nationally? Is this a peculiar right-wing mentality? (His seat is viewed as very safe)."
I am more worried about the people that elect him |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
He's got a moral compass in regards to proper debate on the issues.
But, like most Tories, he only uses it when it suits his agenda.
It's the same "moral compass" as Rees-Mogg being anti abortion but having significant shares in a company that manufacturers the morning after pill.... |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Is there something wrong with some conservative MPs, perhaps an unusual/bent moral compass etc?
Chris Chope MP blocked a bill amending the 1989 Children Act to include FGM on the list of things (like forced marriage or domestic violence) for which the courts can issue protection orders if they think a child is at risk. He's similarly blocked motions to debate Hillsborough, pardon Alan Turing, ban the use of wild animals in circuses, target ‘upskirting’ - which he received widespread comdemnation over. (Zac Goldsmith comments, abridged)
What should be done about such people, who fail to have rightful protections implemented, to support their locals and people nationally? Is this a peculiar right-wing mentality? (His seat is viewed as very safe)."
They hold different views to you,this is not a crime |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Doesn’t he believe some motions should be debated properly and given proper scrutiny rather than passed through as a private’s member bill.
Iirc the upskirfing law was shown to be poorly worsened even if the intent was absolutely spot on. "
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
he has other previous on this other than just the upskirting issue.....
he blocked a bill to give greater protection to service animals from attacks...
he also blocked a bill to limit hospital car parking fees for carers
he even blocked a bill preventing the speed limit outside schools frombeing 20mph.....
he is a nasty nasty man, i know that mp's being deselected is actually rare.. but i wouldn't be surprised if he did at the next election, even those his seat is safe... he is a huge liability |
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Following Fabio's post - I've been alarmed by much of what he's prevented and in this instance greater protection for children - despite being pleaded with, prior to the amendment being read. He clearly has a very narrow perspective that is comfortable with the potentially horrific consequences of what he does. He has positive qualities but parliament would be better off without him. |
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"he has other previous on this other than just the upskirting issue.....
he blocked a bill to give greater protection to service animals from attacks...
he also blocked a bill to limit hospital car parking fees for carers
he even blocked a bill preventing the speed limit outside schools frombeing 20mph.....
he is a nasty nasty man, i know that mp's being deselected is actually rare.. but i wouldn't be surprised if he did at the next election, even those his seat is safe... he is a huge liability"
That's putting it very politely..
Blokes a proper piece of #@#@# |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Is there something wrong with some conservative MPs, perhaps an unusual/bent moral compass etc?
Chris Chope MP blocked a bill amending the 1989 Children Act to include FGM on the list of things (like forced marriage or domestic violence) for which the courts can issue protection orders if they think a child is at risk. He's similarly blocked motions to debate Hillsborough, pardon Alan Turing, ban the use of wild animals in circuses, target ‘upskirting’ - which he received widespread comdemnation over. (Zac Goldsmith comments, abridged)
What should be done about such people, who fail to have rightful protections implemented, to support their locals and people nationally? Is this a peculiar right-wing mentality? (His seat is viewed as very safe)."
Actually, I don't disagree with Chope's position. It's a procedural one.
He isn't actually objecting to the law being proposed, he is objecting to the process by which a law can be enacted which can lead to imprisonment without full debate.
It may seem arcane but it's important. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"he has other previous on this other than just the upskirting issue.....
he blocked a bill to give greater protection to service animals from attacks...
he also blocked a bill to limit hospital car parking fees for carers
he even blocked a bill preventing the speed limit outside schools frombeing 20mph.....
he is a nasty nasty man, i know that mp's being deselected is actually rare.. but i wouldn't be surprised if he did at the next election, even those his seat is safe... he is a huge liability"
He sounds a rebel like Corbyn lol.He gets elected as do many idiots that's democracy |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Is there something wrong with some conservative MPs, perhaps an unusual/bent moral compass etc?
Chris Chope MP blocked a bill amending the 1989 Children Act to include FGM on the list of things (like forced marriage or domestic violence) for which the courts can issue protection orders if they think a child is at risk. He's similarly blocked motions to debate Hillsborough, pardon Alan Turing, ban the use of wild animals in circuses, target ‘upskirting’ - which he received widespread comdemnation over. (Zac Goldsmith comments, abridged)
What should be done about such people, who fail to have rightful protections implemented, to support their locals and people nationally? Is this a peculiar right-wing mentality? (His seat is viewed as very safe).
Actually, I don't disagree with Chope's position. It's a procedural one.
He isn't actually objecting to the law being proposed, he is objecting to the process by which a law can be enacted which can lead to imprisonment without full debate.
It may seem arcane but it's important."
the problem is that he doesn't practice what he preaches as he too submits PMB's.... and also waives thru the PMB's of his friends.... and some of the subjects he has objected to (the womens conference for example, or the hospital car parking issue) don't involve jailtime
consitancy is the issue and he only picks certain bills.. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Is there something wrong with some conservative MPs, perhaps an unusual/bent moral compass etc?
Chris Chope MP blocked a bill amending the 1989 Children Act to include FGM on the list of things (like forced marriage or domestic violence) for which the courts can issue protection orders if they think a child is at risk. He's similarly blocked motions to debate Hillsborough, pardon Alan Turing, ban the use of wild animals in circuses, target ‘upskirting’ - which he received widespread comdemnation over. (Zac Goldsmith comments, abridged)
What should be done about such people, who fail to have rightful protections implemented, to support their locals and people nationally? Is this a peculiar right-wing mentality? (His seat is viewed as very safe).
Actually, I don't disagree with Chope's position. It's a procedural one.
He isn't actually objecting to the law being proposed, he is objecting to the process by which a law can be enacted which can lead to imprisonment without full debate.
It may seem arcane but it's important.
the problem is that he doesn't practice what he preaches as he too submits PMB's.... and also waives thru the PMB's of his friends.... and some of the subjects he has objected to (the womens conference for example, or the hospital car parking issue) don't involve jailtime
consitancy is the issue and he only picks certain bills.."
I didn't look into his history so that might be a fair comment.
Regardless I think on its own terms the objections under discussion are valid. |
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"Is there something wrong with some conservative MPs, perhaps an unusual/bent moral compass etc?
Chris Chope MP blocked a bill amending the 1989 Children Act to include FGM on the list of things (like forced marriage or domestic violence) for which the courts can issue protection orders if they think a child is at risk. He's similarly blocked motions to debate Hillsborough, pardon Alan Turing, ban the use of wild animals in circuses, target ‘upskirting’ - which he received widespread comdemnation over. (Zac Goldsmith comments, abridged)
What should be done about such people, who fail to have rightful protections implemented, to support their locals and people nationally? Is this a peculiar right-wing mentality? (His seat is viewed as very safe).
Actually, I don't disagree with Chope's position. It's a procedural one.
He isn't actually objecting to the law being proposed, he is objecting to the process by which a law can be enacted which can lead to imprisonment without full debate.
It may seem arcane but it's important.
the problem is that he doesn't practice what he preaches as he too submits PMB's.... and also waives thru the PMB's of his friends.... and some of the subjects he has objected to (the womens conference for example, or the hospital car parking issue) don't involve jailtime
consitancy is the issue and he only picks certain bills..
I didn't look into his history so that might be a fair comment.
Regardless I think on its own terms the objections under discussion are valid."
Not valid though with evidence of picking & choosing which PMB's he objects to. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Is there something wrong with some conservative MPs, perhaps an unusual/bent moral compass etc?
Chris Chope MP blocked a bill amending the 1989 Children Act to include FGM on the list of things (like forced marriage or domestic violence) for which the courts can issue protection orders if they think a child is at risk. He's similarly blocked motions to debate Hillsborough, pardon Alan Turing, ban the use of wild animals in circuses, target ‘upskirting’ - which he received widespread comdemnation over. (Zac Goldsmith comments, abridged)
What should be done about such people, who fail to have rightful protections implemented, to support their locals and people nationally? Is this a peculiar right-wing mentality? (His seat is viewed as very safe).
Actually, I don't disagree with Chope's position. It's a procedural one.
He isn't actually objecting to the law being proposed, he is objecting to the process by which a law can be enacted which can lead to imprisonment without full debate.
It may seem arcane but it's important.
the problem is that he doesn't practice what he preaches as he too submits PMB's.... and also waives thru the PMB's of his friends.... and some of the subjects he has objected to (the womens conference for example, or the hospital car parking issue) don't involve jailtime
consitancy is the issue and he only picks certain bills..
I didn't look into his history so that might be a fair comment.
Regardless I think on its own terms the objections under discussion are valid.
Not valid though with evidence of picking & choosing which PMB's he objects to."
I said on it's own terms these two proposals should be properly debated.
Perhaps someone with purer motives should have objected more diplomatically? Perhaps the proposer should have insisted on it
Regardless of the motive the outcome is correct. The ends don't always justify the means but in this case it's a purely procedural means. |
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"Is there something wrong with some conservative MPs, perhaps an unusual/bent moral compass etc?
Chris Chope MP blocked a bill amending the 1989 Children Act to include FGM on the list of things (like forced marriage or domestic violence) for which the courts can issue protection orders if they think a child is at risk. He's similarly blocked motions to debate Hillsborough, pardon Alan Turing, ban the use of wild animals in circuses, target ‘upskirting’ - which he received widespread comdemnation over. (Zac Goldsmith comments, abridged)
What should be done about such people, who fail to have rightful protections implemented, to support their locals and people nationally? Is this a peculiar right-wing mentality? (His seat is viewed as very safe).
Actually, I don't disagree with Chope's position. It's a procedural one.
He isn't actually objecting to the law being proposed, he is objecting to the process by which a law can be enacted which can lead to imprisonment without full debate.
It may seem arcane but it's important.
the problem is that he doesn't practice what he preaches as he too submits PMB's.... and also waives thru the PMB's of his friends.... and some of the subjects he has objected to (the womens conference for example, or the hospital car parking issue) don't involve jailtime
consitancy is the issue and he only picks certain bills.."
Indeed, he didnt object to the PMBs that his useless dinosaur mate Peter Bone put forward on Friday. Chope is a complete tool. |
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"Is there something wrong with some conservative MPs, perhaps an unusual/bent moral compass etc?
Chris Chope MP blocked a bill amending the 1989 Children Act to include FGM on the list of things (like forced marriage or domestic violence) for which the courts can issue protection orders if they think a child is at risk. He's similarly blocked motions to debate Hillsborough, pardon Alan Turing, ban the use of wild animals in circuses, target ‘upskirting’ - which he received widespread comdemnation over. (Zac Goldsmith comments, abridged)
What should be done about such people, who fail to have rightful protections implemented, to support their locals and people nationally? Is this a peculiar right-wing mentality? (His seat is viewed as very safe).
Actually, I don't disagree with Chope's position. It's a procedural one.
He isn't actually objecting to the law being proposed, he is objecting to the process by which a law can be enacted which can lead to imprisonment without full debate.
It may seem arcane but it's important.
the problem is that he doesn't practice what he preaches as he too submits PMB's.... and also waives thru the PMB's of his friends.... and some of the subjects he has objected to (the womens conference for example, or the hospital car parking issue) don't involve jailtime
consitancy is the issue and he only picks certain bills..
I didn't look into his history so that might be a fair comment.
Regardless I think on its own terms the objections under discussion are valid.
Not valid though with evidence of picking & choosing which PMB's he objects to.
I said on it's own terms these two proposals should be properly debated.
Perhaps someone with purer motives should have objected more diplomatically? Perhaps the proposer should have insisted on it
Regardless of the motive the outcome is correct. The ends don't always justify the means but in this case it's a purely procedural means."
Afraid we disagree with you on the outcome being correct. He shows clear bias and both recent examples are deeply misogynistic |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Is there something wrong with some conservative MPs, perhaps an unusual/bent moral compass etc?
Chris Chope MP blocked a bill amending the 1989 Children Act to include FGM on the list of things (like forced marriage or domestic violence) for which the courts can issue protection orders if they think a child is at risk. He's similarly blocked motions to debate Hillsborough, pardon Alan Turing, ban the use of wild animals in circuses, target ‘upskirting’ - which he received widespread comdemnation over. (Zac Goldsmith comments, abridged)
What should be done about such people, who fail to have rightful protections implemented, to support their locals and people nationally? Is this a peculiar right-wing mentality? (His seat is viewed as very safe).
Actually, I don't disagree with Chope's position. It's a procedural one.
He isn't actually objecting to the law being proposed, he is objecting to the process by which a law can be enacted which can lead to imprisonment without full debate.
It may seem arcane but it's important.
the problem is that he doesn't practice what he preaches as he too submits PMB's.... and also waives thru the PMB's of his friends.... and some of the subjects he has objected to (the womens conference for example, or the hospital car parking issue) don't involve jailtime
consitancy is the issue and he only picks certain bills..
I didn't look into his history so that might be a fair comment.
Regardless I think on its own terms the objections under discussion are valid.
Not valid though with evidence of picking & choosing which PMB's he objects to.
I said on it's own terms these two proposals should be properly debated.
Perhaps someone with purer motives should have objected more diplomatically? Perhaps the proposer should have insisted on it
Regardless of the motive the outcome is correct. The ends don't always justify the means but in this case it's a purely procedural means.
Afraid we disagree with you on the outcome being correct. He shows clear bias and both recent examples are deeply misogynistic "
Then the logical position has to be that laws that lead to custodial sentences do not require any debate in the House of Commons  |
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"Is there something wrong with some conservative MPs, perhaps an unusual/bent moral compass etc?
Chris Chope MP blocked a bill amending the 1989 Children Act to include FGM on the list of things (like forced marriage or domestic violence) for which the courts can issue protection orders if they think a child is at risk. He's similarly blocked motions to debate Hillsborough, pardon Alan Turing, ban the use of wild animals in circuses, target ‘upskirting’ - which he received widespread comdemnation over. (Zac Goldsmith comments, abridged)
What should be done about such people, who fail to have rightful protections implemented, to support their locals and people nationally? Is this a peculiar right-wing mentality? (His seat is viewed as very safe).
Actually, I don't disagree with Chope's position. It's a procedural one.
He isn't actually objecting to the law being proposed, he is objecting to the process by which a law can be enacted which can lead to imprisonment without full debate.
It may seem arcane but it's important.
the problem is that he doesn't practice what he preaches as he too submits PMB's.... and also waives thru the PMB's of his friends.... and some of the subjects he has objected to (the womens conference for example, or the hospital car parking issue) don't involve jailtime
consitancy is the issue and he only picks certain bills..
I didn't look into his history so that might be a fair comment.
Regardless I think on its own terms the objections under discussion are valid.
Not valid though with evidence of picking & choosing which PMB's he objects to.
I said on it's own terms these two proposals should be properly debated.
Perhaps someone with purer motives should have objected more diplomatically? Perhaps the proposer should have insisted on it
Regardless of the motive the outcome is correct. The ends don't always justify the means but in this case it's a purely procedural means.
Afraid we disagree with you on the outcome being correct. He shows clear bias and both recent examples are deeply misogynistic
Then the logical position has to be that laws that lead to custodial sentences do not require any debate in the House of Commons "
If this is the only case where this would be true, then maybe but I doubt it. It still doesn’t forgive his bias. & you can’t deny his leanings towards misogyny  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Is there something wrong with some conservative MPs, perhaps an unusual/bent moral compass etc?
Chris Chope MP blocked a bill amending the 1989 Children Act to include FGM on the list of things (like forced marriage or domestic violence) for which the courts can issue protection orders if they think a child is at risk. He's similarly blocked motions to debate Hillsborough, pardon Alan Turing, ban the use of wild animals in circuses, target ‘upskirting’ - which he received widespread comdemnation over. (Zac Goldsmith comments, abridged)
What should be done about such people, who fail to have rightful protections implemented, to support their locals and people nationally? Is this a peculiar right-wing mentality? (His seat is viewed as very safe).
Actually, I don't disagree with Chope's position. It's a procedural one.
He isn't actually objecting to the law being proposed, he is objecting to the process by which a law can be enacted which can lead to imprisonment without full debate.
It may seem arcane but it's important.
the problem is that he doesn't practice what he preaches as he too submits PMB's.... and also waives thru the PMB's of his friends.... and some of the subjects he has objected to (the womens conference for example, or the hospital car parking issue) don't involve jailtime
consitancy is the issue and he only picks certain bills..
I didn't look into his history so that might be a fair comment.
Regardless I think on its own terms the objections under discussion are valid.
Not valid though with evidence of picking & choosing which PMB's he objects to.
I said on it's own terms these two proposals should be properly debated.
Perhaps someone with purer motives should have objected more diplomatically? Perhaps the proposer should have insisted on it
Regardless of the motive the outcome is correct. The ends don't always justify the means but in this case it's a purely procedural means.
Afraid we disagree with you on the outcome being correct. He shows clear bias and both recent examples are deeply misogynistic
Then the logical position has to be that laws that lead to custodial sentences do not require any debate in the House of Commons
If this is the only case where this would be true, then maybe but I doubt it. It still doesn’t forgive his bias. & you can’t deny his leanings towards misogyny "
I'm not defending his personal views.
In principle, should a law that leads to a custodial sentence be debated?
If yes, then what's to debate? |
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