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By *ercury OP Man
over a year ago
Grantham |
Jeremy Corbyn submits a letter to the PM, detailing that he's prepared to back the softest of Brexit.
It's detail certainly leads one to see that it's a Brexit In Name Only. (BINO).
This has led to a certain amount of backlash within his own party. Certainly the more Metropolitan MPs that back a second referendum, as detailed by Labour Conference Policy, are getting very agitated.
However, is Jeremy Corbyn laying a very clever trap here for Theresa May? Getting the softest of Brexit s through is going to infuriate the ERG, and any inclusion of a Backstop is going to make the DUP seriously think of their support for the Government. Should such support be withdrawn, then a General Election may well be the prize.
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"Jeremy Corbyn submits a letter to the PM, detailing that he's prepared to back the softest of Brexit.
It's detail certainly leads one to see that it's a Brexit In Name Only. (BINO).
This has led to a certain amount of backlash within his own party. Certainly the more Metropolitan MPs that back a second referendum, as detailed by Labour Conference Policy, are getting very agitated.
However, is Jeremy Corbyn laying a very clever trap here for Theresa May? Getting the softest of Brexit s through is going to infuriate the ERG, and any inclusion of a Backstop is going to make the DUP seriously think of their support for the Government. Should such support be withdrawn, then a General Election may well be the prize.
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I think the Labour party is very close to splitting because of Corbyn's leadership. One Blairite was quoted in the press last week saying, "we should just fuck off out the party".
Theresa May won't entertain Corbyn's plan, if she did it would split the Conservative party. If the votes on the Brexit ammendments the other week proved anything it's that the Conservative party is stronger sticking together along with keeping the DUP onside and getting the help of some pro Brexit Labour rebels thrown in (around 15 Labour MP's voted against the Cooper ammendment). I think if Brexit does happen on March 29th we will see the labour party split shortly after. |
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over a year ago
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"Jeremy Corbyn submits a letter to the PM, detailing that he's prepared to back the softest of Brexit.
It's detail certainly leads one to see that it's a Brexit In Name Only. (BINO).
This has led to a certain amount of backlash within his own party. Certainly the more Metropolitan MPs that back a second referendum, as detailed by Labour Conference Policy, are getting very agitated.
However, is Jeremy Corbyn laying a very clever trap here for Theresa May? Getting the softest of Brexit s through is going to infuriate the ERG, and any inclusion of a Backstop is going to make the DUP seriously think of their support for the Government. Should such support be withdrawn, then a General Election may well be the prize.
I think the Labour party is very close to splitting because of Corbyn's leadership. One Blairite was quoted in the press last week saying, "we should just fuck off out the party".
Theresa May won't entertain Corbyn's plan, if she did it would split the Conservative party. If the votes on the Brexit ammendments the other week proved anything it's that the Conservative party is stronger sticking together along with keeping the DUP onside and getting the help of some pro Brexit Labour rebels thrown in (around 15 Labour MP's voted against the Cooper ammendment). I think if Brexit does happen on March 29th we will see the labour party split shortly after. "
I think they both are, especially if there is a GE as it will be difficult to stand on a mandate you’ve been arguing. Neees it could be a 3 way split in the tories, being remain, mayrites and ERGers. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Jeremy Corbyn submits a letter to the PM, detailing that he's prepared to back the softest of Brexit.
It's detail certainly leads one to see that it's a Brexit In Name Only. (BINO).
This has led to a certain amount of backlash within his own party. Certainly the more Metropolitan MPs that back a second referendum, as detailed by Labour Conference Policy, are getting very agitated.
However, is Jeremy Corbyn laying a very clever trap here for Theresa May? Getting the softest of Brexit s through is going to infuriate the ERG, and any inclusion of a Backstop is going to make the DUP seriously think of their support for the Government. Should such support be withdrawn, then a General Election may well be the prize.
I think the Labour party is very close to splitting because of Corbyn's leadership. One Blairite was quoted in the press last week saying, "we should just fuck off out the party".
Theresa May won't entertain Corbyn's plan, if she did it would split the Conservative party. If the votes on the Brexit ammendments the other week proved anything it's that the Conservative party is stronger sticking together along with keeping the DUP onside and getting the help of some pro Brexit Labour rebels thrown in (around 15 Labour MP's voted against the Cooper ammendment). I think if Brexit does happen on March 29th we will see the labour party split shortly after. "
Thing is, who'd go?
Umma, Cooper, Lammy, Benn?
There aren't that many Blairites left.
The Labour party continues to have the largest membership of any political party in Europe. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
It's not the party members you need to convince.
It's voters who swing the marginal seats.
Win over a few hundred thousand people and you win the election.
Those people who flip between Conservative & Labour when it suits them.
aka middle england.
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
"Oh great , a whole thread slagging those
NOT IN POWER
by those who are being denied
there sovereign rights by
THOSE IN POWER
Quality
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The whole point of opposition is to show there is an alternative. I could understand you outrage if the thread was denied discussing any plans. But you're outraged that one was posted discussing them at all.
Blast those dastardly industrialists! |
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"Oh great , a whole thread slagging those
NOT IN POWER
by those who are being denied
there sovereign rights by
THOSE IN POWER
Quality
The whole point of opposition is to show there is an alternative. I could understand you outrage if the thread was denied discussing any plans. But you're outraged that one was posted discussing them at all.
Blast those dastardly industrialists! "
A strong argument is being pressed
Unfortunately the Conservatives & the Billionaire D.U.P are having there own private game.
Meanwhike everyone else is blaming someone NOT in POWER for the shambles being made of Brexit.
Its not leave as leavers want & its not stay as remainers want .
Its some awful sh*te in the middle that is good for no one.
Hence the responsibility of those in power & those who put them there. IE the Voter. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Thing is, who'd go?
Umma, Cooper, Lammy, Benn?
There aren't that many Blairites left.
The Labour party continues to have the largest membership of any political party in Europe."
And their still lagging behind the worst tory government of my time |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
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A strong argument is being pressed
Unfortunately the Conservatives & the Billionaire D.U.P are having there own private game.
Meanwhike everyone else is blaming someone NOT in POWER for the shambles being made of Brexit.
Its not leave as leavers want & its not stay as remainers want .
Its some awful sh*te in the middle that is good for no one.
Hence the responsibility of those in power & those who put them there. IE the Voter. "
You are offended an argument is being pressed when democracy works by having rights to opinion and ... for the most part, public sentiment wants this over and done with not tabled to roll on for ever and a day.
If you didn't get what you want, then you understand that effective opposition works by having a mandate underpinned by reasoning not by offering everything and nothing at the same time.
I would guess 90% of the threads on here bash the Tory's brexit plans so this thread is something new. This thread isn't bashing Labour, it is discussing the possible political tactics used. |
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If Labour had played any part in calling for a referendum i would agree with you.
However they didnt & therefore can not be held responsible for the sh*tstorm we are in now.
You can discuss the lack of forcefully pursuing talks to
adjust the mess we are in , but other than that , what in parliament can they do?
They have railed against all
that was bad about the chequers agreement the new chequers agreement , the agreement that is now called not the chequers agreement ( but we all know it still is ) etc .
The country blindly rolls into 10 years minimum of chaos & trauma for what ?
A case of conservative party paranoia . |
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I think the media have omitted to mention that other parties have been excluded by the conservatives throughout this fiasco that they started and continued, except for the absolute minimum occasion when parliament has been required to vote upon measures the conservatives have cobbled together. When almost 3 years go by, with just a few hours spent upon discussion and voting, there's little point in a leader from any other party asking/making similar questions/points during PMQ etc. Opposition parties shouldn't reasonably be expected to have detailed and fully public proposals to sort out an as-yet unfinished conservative catastrophe, of unknown uncertainty.
The brexit mess has created public dissatisfaction with politics, especially as it becomes clearer that it's the masses who are going to have to pay the price for this madness. I'm unsure what Corbyn should be doing now, based on his beliefs but enabling things, such that a general election becomes more likely and sooner, is probably a wise move. (I'd prefer him to hold a very different, anti-brexit desire, though that's a different story). |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Jeremy Corbyn submits a letter to the PM, detailing that he's prepared to back the softest of Brexit.
It's detail certainly leads one to see that it's a Brexit In Name Only. (BINO).
This has led to a certain amount of backlash within his own party. Certainly the more Metropolitan MPs that back a second referendum, as detailed by Labour Conference Policy, are getting very agitated.
However, is Jeremy Corbyn laying a very clever trap here for Theresa May? Getting the softest of Brexit s through is going to infuriate the ERG, and any inclusion of a Backstop is going to make the DUP seriously think of their support for the Government. Should such support be withdrawn, then a General Election may well be the prize.
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He has no policy he is a joke |
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