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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Brexit is going to drag on ,Europe think they got us by the balls on e eveything from trade to immigration,here's my solutions,
1,block up the tunnel,only let UK citizens enter UK from Europe,
2,tell Europe they can keep their cars ,beer ,wine and anything else till we get a fair shake it will hit their economies a lot harder than ours in the long term,
3 take back our fishing waters and if the French get stay tell them to suck on a frog leg
4, withdraw all our troops from European exercises and NATO and in forces let the frogs and Germans police they're on backyard
5 tell Europe we are not going to subsidize lazy European farmers any more or prop up french pensions,
6,any foreign national living in the UK who hasn't put into the British economy since arriving is worked and paid tax national insurance contributions will not be entitled to benefits or health care or council housing,
6,tell Spain to fuck of out of Gibraltar waters or we will support Basque seperists in there fight for sovereign rule of themselves and recognise them as a separate European entity from spain
If we play hard ball a bit more then jumped up Eurocrats won't make speaches condemning us all to hell ,they will be to worried about having a pot to piss in lol,add your own thoughts or ideas |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Brexit is going to drag on ,Europe think they got us by the balls on e eveything from trade to immigration,here's my solutions,
1,block up the tunnel,only let UK citizens enter UK from Europe,
2,tell Europe they can keep their cars ,beer ,wine and anything else till we get a fair shake it will hit their economies a lot harder than ours in the long term,
3 take back our fishing waters and if the French get stay tell them to suck on a frog leg
4, withdraw all our troops from European exercises and NATO and in forces let the frogs and Germans police they're on backyard
5 tell Europe we are not going to subsidize lazy European farmers any more or prop up french pensions,
6,any foreign national living in the UK who hasn't put into the British economy since arriving is worked and paid tax national insurance contributions will not be entitled to benefits or health care or council housing,
6,tell Spain to fuck of out of Gibraltar waters or we will support Basque seperists in there fight for sovereign rule of themselves and recognise them as a separate European entity from spain
If we play hard ball a bit more then jumped up Eurocrats won't make speaches condemning us all to hell ,they will be to worried about having a pot to piss in lol,add your own thoughts or ideas"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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The Irish problem is simple treat them as two separate countries where you need to pass through a border control with a visa or passport having gained permission in advance to gain entry and all European flights to both countries must pay a levy to pass through our airspace or take a big detour through nuetral airspace,but both Ireland and UK planes can pass between the two excempt |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Why would we have to take back
"OUR WATERS " ?"
simple at present we can go into French waters to cockle and shrimp fish and they can come into ours foecmackeral and so on ,but lately the Frenchie a have got the hump with us doing this but still want to fish our waters when they please ,so basically if Europe trust to hamper our trade rights then we should say fine then stay out of our waters your not welcome and that goes for everyone no exception,again the self centred french will throw a ateop but hey they kicked off before Xmas burning British boats in there waters who where legitimately there as per a Europe fishing agreement,it's not our fault they're government set sanctions limiting they're boat and quota sizes and time period for fishing ,so if we decide to go it alone then why should we share our fish sticks with everyone that thinks they can hold us to ransom |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Comedy gold  "
not when you end up having to stump up extra taxes because this government gets shafted in the arse by Europe demanding a bigger golden handshake with limited trade options and more financial ties for the next 30 years,are you willing to pay half your wages to the taxman for it to be flitted away on daft schemes and foreign aid that we can't get out of,and don't say it won't happen because if there is a deal someone is going to have to pay and that my friend is you and me |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Brexit is going to drag on ,Europe think they got us by the balls on e eveything from trade to immigration,here's my solutions,
1,block up the tunnel,only let UK citizens enter UK from Europe,
2,tell Europe they can keep their cars ,beer ,wine and anything else till we get a fair shake it will hit their economies a lot harder than ours in the long term,
3 take back our fishing waters and if the French get stay tell them to suck on a frog leg
4, withdraw all our troops from European exercises and NATO and in forces let the frogs and Germans police they're on backyard
5 tell Europe we are not going to subsidize lazy European farmers any more or prop up french pensions,
6,any foreign national living in the UK who hasn't put into the British economy since arriving is worked and paid tax national insurance contributions will not be entitled to benefits or health care or council housing,
6,tell Spain to fuck of out of Gibraltar waters or we will support Basque seperists in there fight for sovereign rule of themselves and recognise them as a separate European entity from spain
If we play hard ball a bit more then jumped up Eurocrats won't make speaches condemning us all to hell ,they will be to worried about having a pot to piss in lol,add your own thoughts or ideas"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Why would we have to take back
"OUR WATERS " ?"
simple at present we can go into French waters to cockle and shrimp fish and they can come into ours foecmackeral and so on ,but lately the Frenchie a have got the hump with us doing this but still want to fish our waters when they please ,so basically if Europe trust to hamper our trade rights then we should say fine then stay out of our waters your not welcome and that goes for everyone no exception,again the self centred french will throw a ateop but hey they kicked off before Xmas burning British boats in there waters who where legitimately there as per a Europe fishing agreement,it's not our fault they're government set sanctions limiting they're boat and quota sizes and time period for fishing ,so if we decide to go it alone then why should we share our fish sticks with everyone that thinks they can hold us to ransom |
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"Why would we have to take back
"OUR WATERS " ?simple at present we can go into French waters to cockle and shrimp fish and they can come into ours foecmackeral and so on ,but lately the Frenchie a have got the hump with us doing this but still want to fish our waters when they please ,so basically if Europe trust to hamper our trade rights then we should say fine then stay out of our waters your not welcome and that goes for everyone no exception,again the self centred french will throw a ateop but hey they kicked off before Xmas burning British boats in there waters who where legitimately there as per a Europe fishing agreement,it's not our fault they're government set sanctions limiting they're boat and quota sizes and time period for fishing ,so if we decide to go it alone then why should we share our fish sticks with everyone that thinks they can hold us to ransom"
Ah you seem to have misses something.
The French pay for the right to do this.
So did the uk fishermen up until last year , then decided not to bother.
So "Frenchie" got the hump because the uk Fisherman welched on the deal .
When they started paying it again
" FRENCHIE"
was more than happy to share.
Another Brexitwummer corrected .
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"Why would we have to take back
"OUR WATERS " ?simple at present we can go into French waters to cockle and shrimp fish and they can come into ours foecmackeral and so on ,but lately the Frenchie a have got the hump with us doing this but still want to fish our waters when they please ,so basically if Europe trust to hamper our trade rights then we should say fine then stay out of our waters your not welcome and that goes for everyone no exception,again the self centred french will throw a ateop but hey they kicked off before Xmas burning British boats in there waters who where legitimately there as per a Europe fishing agreement,it's not our fault they're government set sanctions limiting they're boat and quota sizes and time period for fishing ,so if we decide to go it alone then why should we share our fish sticks with everyone that thinks they can hold us to ransom"
the fact that a large number of fishing quotas have been sold off by British fisherman to foreign owned companies may blow a hole below the water line in your idea.. |
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"Brexit is going to drag on ,Europe think they got us by the balls on e eveything from trade to immigration,here's my solutions,
1,block up the tunnel,only let UK citizens enter UK from Europe,
2,tell Europe they can keep their cars ,beer ,wine and anything else till we get a fair shake it will hit their economies a lot harder than ours in the long term,
3 take back our fishing waters and if the French get stay tell them to suck on a frog leg
4, withdraw all our troops from European exercises and NATO and in forces let the frogs and Germans police they're on backyard
5 tell Europe we are not going to subsidize lazy European farmers any more or prop up french pensions,
6,any foreign national living in the UK who hasn't put into the British economy since arriving is worked and paid tax national insurance contributions will not be entitled to benefits or health care or council housing,
6,tell Spain to fuck of out of Gibraltar waters or we will support Basque seperists in there fight for sovereign rule of themselves and recognise them as a separate European entity from spain
If we play hard ball a bit more then jumped up Eurocrats won't make speaches condemning us all to hell ,they will be to worried about having a pot to piss in lol,add your own thoughts or ideas
Simple solutions, for simple people."
This.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Brexit is going to drag on ,Europe think they got us by the balls on e eveything from trade to immigration,here's my solutions,
1,block up the tunnel,only let UK citizens enter UK from Europe,
2,tell Europe they can keep their cars ,beer ,wine and anything else till we get a fair shake it will hit their economies a lot harder than ours in the long term,
3 take back our fishing waters and if the French get stay tell them to suck on a frog leg
4, withdraw all our troops from European exercises and NATO and in forces let the frogs and Germans police they're on backyard
5 tell Europe we are not going to subsidize lazy European farmers any more or prop up french pensions,
6,any foreign national living in the UK who hasn't put into the British economy since arriving is worked and paid tax national insurance contributions will not be entitled to benefits or health care or council housing,
6,tell Spain to fuck of out of Gibraltar waters or we will support Basque seperists in there fight for sovereign rule of themselves and recognise them as a separate European entity from spain
If we play hard ball a bit more then jumped up Eurocrats won't make speaches condemning us all to hell ,they will be to worried about having a pot to piss in lol,add your own thoughts or ideas
Simple solutions, for simple people."
 nothing simple about it ,it will be hard work there's going to be a down turn in the economy sure there will probably be protests and riots ,panicked buying and the usual clamour but sometimes a simple threat is the way to go ,and I'm no way simple these are well thought out threats with implications I've taken into account ,but if we did carry through some if not all then maybe those in Europe that are starting to waiver thinking maybe we have been a bit to harsh to the UK may start to think about the ramifications in their own back yard,the 3 biggest car manufacturing countries in Europe for instance ,without the UK market where will the luxury motors be sold ,not to mention the car parts business |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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This a thread for people to air their thoughts not question my intelligence by calling me simple I'm a very well educated person who thinks it's time all the so-called political and business leaders of this country listened to our ideas and agreed to support the prime minister instead if slagging her off or at least say maybe u could try this |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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By the way I'm not usually this political minded I just wish Brexit was over and we have a fair crack of the whip with no sword hanging by a thread over our heads |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why would we have to take back
"OUR WATERS " ?simple at present we can go into French waters to cockle and shrimp fish and they can come into ours foecmackeral and so on ,but lately the Frenchie a have got the hump with us doing this but still want to fish our waters when they please ,so basically if Europe trust to hamper our trade rights then we should say fine then stay out of our waters your not welcome and that goes for everyone no exception,again the self centred french will throw a ateop but hey they kicked off before Xmas burning British boats in there waters who where legitimately there as per a Europe fishing agreement,it's not our fault they're government set sanctions limiting they're boat and quota sizes and time period for fishing ,so if we decide to go it alone then why should we share our fish sticks with everyone that thinks they can hold us to ransom
the fact that a large number of fishing quotas have been sold off by British fisherman to foreign owned companies may blow a hole below tkhe water line in your idea.. "
British boats cant sell quotas to foreign boats only foreign boats that have been allowed to register as British boats with the collusion of the British government! And yes i do know what I'm talking about as I'm a British commercial fisherman |
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"We’re gonna get hungry. 
And maybe freeze.
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Project fear.
There is a big wide world out there to import food from, besides the EU.
A lot of our gas for heating comes from Russia, who are not in the EU. Maybe a bit more fracking here in the UK and we can supply our own gas and boost the economy in the process, creating new jobs and bringing in investment for it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I believe they did pay for the right to fish their but the French actually did not like the fact we could fish 2 months before they were allowed and use much bigger boats than they could ,suggest you do your research ,also they as with the British meat ban last century took it upon themselves to set alight and ram British boats all under the watchful eye of the French navy |
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"This a thread for people to air their thoughts not question my intelligence by calling me simple I'm a very well educated person who thinks it's time all the so-called political and business leaders of this country listened to our ideas and agreed to support the prime minister instead if slagging her off or at least say maybe u could try this"
You may well be but your op is so far removed from common sense it's either a poor attempt to provoke derision or you need to give your head a wobble.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"We’re gonna get hungry.
And maybe freeze.
Project fear.
There is a big wide world out there to import food from, besides the EU.
A lot of our gas for heating comes from Russia, who are not in the EU. Maybe a bit more fracking here in the UK and we can supply our own gas and boost the economy in the process, creating new jobs and bringing in investment for it. "
then we should also take back control of our energy sector as well and invest in more renewable energy and ground pumps and try and make it more affordable to all so we can then become more independent |
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"This a thread for people to air their thoughts not question my intelligence by calling me simple I'm a very well educated person who thinks it's time all the so-called political and business leaders of this country listened to our ideas and agreed to support the prime minister instead if slagging her off or at least say maybe u could try this"
You'll get the usual suspects with their remoaning hats on attacking you if you support brexit on here fella. They're getting more desperate as March 29th approaches. |
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"Why would we have to take back
"OUR WATERS " ?simple at present we can go into French waters to cockle and shrimp fish and they can come into ours foecmackeral and so on ,but lately the Frenchie a have got the hump with us doing this but still want to fish our waters when they please ,so basically if Europe trust to hamper our trade rights then we should say fine then stay out of our waters your not welcome and that goes for everyone no exception,again the self centred french will throw a ateop but hey they kicked off before Xmas burning British boats in there waters who where legitimately there as per a Europe fishing agreement,it's not our fault they're government set sanctions limiting they're boat and quota sizes and time period for fishing ,so if we decide to go it alone then why should we share our fish sticks with everyone that thinks they can hold us to ransom
the fact that a large number of fishing quotas have been sold off by British fisherman to foreign owned companies may blow a hole below tkhe water line in your idea.. British boats cant sell quotas to foreign boats only foreign boats that have been allowed to register as British boats with the collusion of the British government! And yes i do know what I'm talking about as I'm a British commercial fisherman "
Cheers for clarifying that but it still does not change the fact that a lot of the quotas have been sold to companies outside of the UK..
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"This a thread for people to air their thoughts not question my intelligence by calling me simple I'm a very well educated person who thinks it's time all the so-called political and business leaders of this country listened to our ideas and agreed to support the prime minister instead if slagging her off or at least say maybe u could try this
You may well be but your op is so far removed from common sense it's either a poor attempt to provoke derision or you need to give your head a wobble.. "
why is that we import more goods from Europe than we export short term the ramifications would hurt us but as we seek out trade agreements with China ,USA and other non European countries we will find better deals ,more investment opportunities will surface and in the long run we will prosper ,and my head isn't wobbling |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We’re gonna get hungry.
And maybe freeze.
Project fear.
There is a big wide world out there to import food from, besides the EU.
A lot of our gas for heating comes from Russia, who are not in the EU. Maybe a bit more fracking here in the UK and we can supply our own gas and boost the economy in the process, creating new jobs and bringing in investment for it. "
I was being flippant.
But the HoL EU committee did table concerns demand wouldn’t be met by non Eu countries. Or standards would be reduced. I think this is the same committee you take as gospel in the divorce bill. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"This a thread for people to air their thoughts not question my intelligence by calling me simple I'm a very well educated person who thinks it's time all the so-called political and business leaders of this country listened to our ideas and agreed to support the prime minister instead if slagging her off or at least say maybe u could try this
You'll get the usual suspects with their remoaning hats on attacking you if you support brexit on here fella. They're getting more desperate as March 29th approaches. "
the trouble is the remained can't see if we stay Europe will keep milking the cow till she keeps over ,enough is enough the people have spoken so now we should break free and pay up what we owe up to date and collect what is owed to us and see if the big companies are willing to let their countries lose them billions of pounds a year in revenue by refusing to trade with us ,what people are forgetting in all this the big multi national want our money they need it to keep they're people happy it's the politicians that are turning the screws to line they're own pockets |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"We’re gonna get hungry.
And maybe freeze.
Project fear.
There is a big wide world out there to import food from, besides the EU.
A lot of our gas for heating comes from Russia, who are not in the EU. Maybe a bit more fracking here in the UK and we can supply our own gas and boost the economy in the process, creating new jobs and bringing in investment for it.
I was being flippant.
But the HoL EU committee did table concerns demand wouldn’t be met by non Eu countries. Or standards would be reduced. I think this is the same committee you take as gospel in the divorce bill. "
scare mongering ,they won't do the job we are currently doing ,again looking after number 1 and stuff the uk |
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"This a thread for people to air their thoughts not question my intelligence by calling me simple I'm a very well educated person who thinks it's time all the so-called political and business leaders of this country listened to our ideas and agreed to support the prime minister instead if slagging her off or at least say maybe u could try this
You'll get the usual suspects with their remoaning hats on attacking you if you support brexit on here fella. They're getting more desperate as March 29th approaches. "
Its the SNOWFLAKE LEAVER Issuing the threats fella ,
Remoaners like myself ar just chuckling away at how.hard you lot are having to work at convincing yourself
That Brexit." Will be the easist deal ever done"
" " will make life so much better "
" " that we'll be able to control our borders
That one still make me laugh the most .
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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So for those of you that think I've offered simple solutions for simple people lets hear your ideas ,the head wobbler is all ears,let's see what you the more educated brethren have to offer if anything |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Brexit is going to drag on ,Europe think they got us by the balls on e eveything from trade to immigration,here's my solutions,
1,block up the tunnel,only let UK citizens enter UK from Europe,
2,tell Europe they can keep their cars ,beer ,wine and anything else till we get a fair shake it will hit their economies a lot harder than ours in the long term,
3 take back our fishing waters and if the French get stay tell them to suck on a frog leg
4, withdraw all our troops from European exercises and NATO and in forces let the frogs and Germans police they're on backyard
5 tell Europe we are not going to subsidize lazy European farmers any more or prop up french pensions,
6,any foreign national living in the UK who hasn't put into the British economy since arriving is worked and paid tax national insurance contributions will not be entitled to benefits or health care or council housing,
6,tell Spain to fuck of out of Gibraltar waters or we will support Basque seperists in there fight for sovereign rule of themselves and recognise them as a separate European entity from spain
If we play hard ball a bit more then jumped up Eurocrats won't make speaches condemning us all to hell ,they will be to worried about having a pot to piss in lol,add your own thoughts or ideas"
Absolutely airtight plan. With just two minor flaws
1. There a two points labelled “6”
2. It’s absolute drivel that a four year old would reject for being a massive steaming pile of nonsense littered with xenophobic insults and written by someone with zero grasp on reality. |
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"We’re gonna get hungry.
And maybe freeze.
Project fear.
There is a big wide world out there to import food from, besides the EU.
A lot of our gas for heating comes from Russia, who are not in the EU. Maybe a bit more fracking here in the UK and we can supply our own gas and boost the economy in the process, creating new jobs and bringing in investment for it. "
Example: A flight to ireland costs £100
A flight to the U.S.A costs £500
That imported chicken & Beef we are going
to get from america is subsidised by the supermarkets to keep the prices affordable ?
I think not chap.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So for those of you that think I've offered simple solutions for simple people lets hear your ideas ,the head wobbler is all ears,let's see what you the more educated brethren have to offer if anything"
There are two options.
1. No Brexit, live in a prosperous country
2. Any kind of Brexit, live in an oppressive and poor country. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Brexit is going to drag on ,Europe think they got us by the balls on e eveything from trade to immigration,here's my solutions,
1,block up the tunnel,only let UK citizens enter UK from Europe,
2,tell Europe they can keep their cars ,beer ,wine and anything else till we get a fair shake it will hit their economies a lot harder than ours in the long term,
3 take back our fishing waters and if the French get stay tell them to suck on a frog leg
4, withdraw all our troops from European exercises and NATO and in forces let the frogs and Germans police they're on backyard
5 tell Europe we are not going to subsidize lazy European farmers any more or prop up french pensions,
6,any foreign national living in the UK who hasn't put into the British economy since arriving is worked and paid tax national insurance contributions will not be entitled to benefits or health care or council housing,
6,tell Spain to fuck of out of Gibraltar waters or we will support Basque seperists in there fight for sovereign rule of themselves and recognise them as a separate European entity from spain
If we play hard ball a bit more then jumped up Eurocrats won't make speaches condemning us all to hell ,they will be to worried about having a pot to piss in lol,add your own thoughts or ideas"
funniest thing i have read all do for so many reasons... because the facts are that laughable or wrong......
so can i deal with 6 (the first 1).....
EU nationals per head of the population actually contribute more to the population in tax, in national insurance, and get less in benefits than the native population....
they are a net positive to the population in terms of the economy..... in terms of health care that EU country pays for their healthcare buy paying the NHS and we actually pay out more in healthcare for brits and ex pats living in the EU, that we spend on EU nationals here (and thats before money is returned)
so actually EU nationals cost the NHS nothing, and 1/8 of people working in the EU are EU nationals! (you are more likely to be treated by an EU national than you are to be a patient next to one)
also... EU nationals are more likely to be living in private accomodation, because they don't get any support in their new country for the first 6 months, also they are not entitled to certain benefits anyway for the first 3 years........ |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The Irish problem is simple treat them as two separate countries where you need to pass through a border control with a visa or passport having gained permission in advance to gain entry and all European flights to both countries must pay a levy to pass through our airspace or take a big detour through nuetral airspace,but both Ireland and UK planes can pass between the two excempt "
I’m assuming you’re joking. But let’s say you’re serious. I have to point out that your suggested solution is against the terms of the good Friday agreement. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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We have a beef and chicken here and there are countries that are closer than the USA that we can import from that aren't in the European market and we can get the British farmers to build up herds and use land they have had to set aside to gain subs from Europe bthat has laid dorment for years ,there are ways and means it just needs a little thought and someone with the drive to see it through |
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"We’re gonna get hungry.
And maybe freeze.
Project fear.
There is a big wide world out there to import food from, besides the EU.
A lot of our gas for heating comes from Russia, who are not in the EU. Maybe a bit more fracking here in the UK and we can supply our own gas and boost the economy in the process, creating new jobs and bringing in investment for it.
Example: A flight to ireland costs £100
A flight to the U.S.A costs £500
That imported chicken & Beef we are going
to get from america is subsidised by the supermarkets to keep the prices affordable ?
I think not chap.
"
So using the same logic (on transport costs) it's going to be more expensive for Nissan to make the X-trail in Japan now because they're going to have to pay more to ship it to Europe from the other side of the world, rather than shipping it over the short distance over the channel from the UK. |
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"We’re gonna get hungry.
And maybe freeze.
Project fear.
There is a big wide world out there to import food from, besides the EU.
A lot of our gas for heating comes from Russia, who are not in the EU. Maybe a bit more fracking here in the UK and we can supply our own gas and boost the economy in the process, creating new jobs and bringing in investment for it.
I was being flippant.
But the HoL EU committee did table concerns demand wouldn’t be met by non Eu countries. Or standards would be reduced. I think this is the same committee you take as gospel in the divorce bill. "
Only 'concerns' then? Nothing concrete or definite? I have concerns it may snow tomorrow but it's not likely to happen in reality is it. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"This a thread for people to air their thoughts not question my intelligence by calling me simple I'm a very well educated person who thinks it's time all the so-called political and business leaders of this country listened to our ideas and agreed to support the prime minister instead if slagging her off or at least say maybe u could try this"
if you are going to write such nonsense then people are going to question your intelligence...
p.s you do know that the EU and NATO are 2 different things.... and there are no such things as EU defense exercises....
p.p.s... you might want to look into the EU response to the Russian attack in Salisbury at the request of the UK government before you start attacking them on that front..... |
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"So for those of you that think I've offered simple solutions for simple people lets hear your ideas ,the head wobbler is all ears,let's see what you the more educated brethren have to offer if anything
There are two options.
1. No Brexit, live in a prosperous country
2. Any kind of Brexit, live in an oppressive and poor country."
There is a 3rd option if you're a remoaner. If you love the EU so much leave the UK and go and live there. We'll get on much better here without you. |
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"We have a beef and chicken here and there are countries that are closer than the USA that we can import from that aren't in the European market and we can get the British farmers to build up herds and use land they have had to set aside to gain subs from Europe bthat has laid dorment for years ,there are ways and means it just needs a little thought and someone with the drive to see it through"
With the tunnel closed to trade from Europe which will be reciprocated then how big will the fleet of ships be to take the above to markets.. Where?
Wont be able to fly them as the tariffs on them crossing European airspace would raise the prices to such an extent they'll be not viable..
What's your plan b? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"The Irish problem is simple treat them as two separate countries where you need to pass through a border control with a visa or passport having gained permission in advance to gain entry and all European flights to both countries must pay a levy to pass through our airspace or take a big detour through nuetral airspace,but both Ireland and UK planes can pass between the two excempt "
Genius!
Why did no-one else think of that?
Have you thought of a career with HM Government as a negotiator?
Just practising saying it over and over again in a louder and louder voice.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"This a thread for people to air their thoughts not question my intelligence by calling me simple I'm a very well educated person who thinks it's time all the so-called political and business leaders of this country listened to our ideas and agreed to support the prime minister instead if slagging her off or at least say maybe u could try this
if you are going to write such nonsense then people are going to question your intelligence...
p.s you do know that the EU and NATO are 2 different things.... and there are no such things as EU defense exercises....
p.p.s... you might want to look into the EU response to the Russian attack in Salisbury at the request of the UK government before you start attacking them on that front....."
actually if you look into it properly u will find that the UK provides more troops than most for un duties and NATO in volitile areas,and if it's nonsense then why aren't you suggesting a better solution as you seem to think your of a higher iq |
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"The Irish problem is simple treat them as two separate countries where you need to pass through a border control with a visa or passport having gained permission in advance to gain entry and all European flights to both countries must pay a levy to pass through our airspace or take a big detour through nuetral airspace,but both Ireland and UK planes can pass between the two excempt
Genius!
Why did no-one else think of that?
Have you thought of a career with HM Government as a negotiator?
Just practising saying it over and over again in a louder and louder voice.
You'll soon get the hang of it."
lol it's a simple idea I know it's probably a bit out there but hey sometimes you need to think outside the box |
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"We have a beef and chicken here and there are countries that are closer than the USA that we can import from that aren't in the European market and we can get the British farmers to build up herds and use land they have had to set aside to gain subs from Europe bthat has laid dorment for years ,there are ways and means it just needs a little thought and someone with the drive to see it through
With the tunnel closed to trade from Europe which will be reciprocated then how big will the fleet of ships be to take the above to markets.. Where?
Wont be able to fly them as the tariffs on them crossing European airspace would raise the prices to such an extent they'll be not viable..
What's your plan b? "
shoot remainers lol |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"We’re gonna get hungry.
And maybe freeze.
Project fear.
There is a big wide world out there to import food from, besides the EU.
A lot of our gas for heating comes from Russia, who are not in the EU. Maybe a bit more fracking here in the UK and we can supply our own gas and boost the economy in the process, creating new jobs and bringing in investment for it. "
only if "a lot" actually means less than 1%........ the question were raised as a result of salisbury when they were working out how they could hit russia in the way of sanctions....
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"The Irish problem is simple treat them as two separate countries where you need to pass through a border control with a visa or passport having gained permission in advance to gain entry and all European flights to both countries must pay a levy to pass through our airspace or take a big detour through nuetral airspace,but both Ireland and UK planes can pass between the two excempt
I’m assuming you’re joking. But let’s say you’re serious. I have to point out that your suggested solution is against the terms of the good Friday agreement. "
It's looking likely that the Irish backstop the EU is so keen on keeping in the Withdrawal agreement may be in breach of the good Friday agreement. David Trimble who is the former leader of the Ulster Unionist party and was a key figure in the drawing up and signing of the good Friday agreement in the 90's, and who was also awarded a Nobel peace prize in 1998 for his work on the good Friday agreement has said he may now make a legal challenge against Theresa May and the EU. He's considering this because he says the backstop is not compatible with the terms of the good Friday agreement. David Trimble also happens to be a supporter of Brexit and has supported the ERG group in the Conservative party to introduce the Maximum Facilitation (or Max Fac) solution to the Irish border without the need for a backstop. |
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Answer we grew our own crops produced our own livestock and we traded with the world ,fuck we even helped win a few wars and colonised half the known world and without the help of Europe on most of those fronts |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"This a thread for people to air their thoughts not question my intelligence by calling me simple I'm a very well educated person who thinks it's time all the so-called political and business leaders of this country listened to our ideas and agreed to support the prime minister instead if slagging her off or at least say maybe u could try this
if you are going to write such nonsense then people are going to question your intelligence...
p.s you do know that the EU and NATO are 2 different things.... and there are no such things as EU defense exercises....
p.p.s... you might want to look into the EU response to the Russian attack in Salisbury at the request of the UK government before you start attacking them on that front.....actually if you look into it properly u will find that the UK provides more troops than most for un duties and NATO in volitile areas,and if it's nonsense then why aren't you suggesting a better solution as you seem to think your of a higher iq "
again.... the UN and NATO are two sepereate entities than the EU..... FFS.... thats why you are being mocked and taught what actually happens out there in the real world...
okay.... going back to 1... you want to block the tunnel...... take a guess at what % of the UK's exports goes thru the tunnel......
30 per cent of UK exports (worth £43.6bn) to the EU and 22 per cent of imports (worth £47.8bn) from the EU now depend on the tunnel, while 21 million passengers a year use the Eurotunnel’s transport service. Tourists visiting the UK via the tunnel spend £1.7bn in the UK economy.
and you want to brick it up..... |
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"We have a beef and chicken here and there are countries that are closer than the USA that we can import from that aren't in the European market and we can get the British farmers to build up herds and use land they have had to set aside to gain subs from Europe bthat has laid dorment for years ,there are ways and means it just needs a little thought and someone with the drive to see it through
With the tunnel closed to trade from Europe which will be reciprocated then how big will the fleet of ships be to take the above to markets.. Where?
Wont be able to fly them as the tariffs on them crossing European airspace would raise the prices to such an extent they'll be not viable..
What's your plan b? shoot remainers lol"
Given what you've posted thus far I think it more likely that you'll have a negligent discharge or a stoppage whereby your first I A would be to look down the barrel with one up the spout..
So no plan b which given your plan a is totally bollocks means your a bit cattle trucked fella..
Ironic eh.. |
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They may be different entities your not getting what I'm saying we provide more than our fair share of manpower and equipment to both these forces more than say Holland ,Switzerland ,France and Italy ,if we were to withdraw our contingents from both the UN and NATO who would step up to the plate answer no one as for the tunnel yes that is probably not a viable option but then again I don't see anyone here actually offering an alternative solution ,it's easy to mock but to actually offer a viable solution all goes quiet ,see Corbyn and his cronies |
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Come on I haven't heard any other solutions or ideas surely someone has an idea out there on how we go our separate ways with Europe and not get punished for doing so |
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"We have a beef and chicken here and there are countries that are closer than the USA that we can import from that aren't in the European market and we can get the British farmers to build up herds and use land they have had to set aside to gain subs from Europe bthat has laid dorment for years ,there are ways and means it just needs a little thought and someone with the drive to see it through
With the tunnel closed to trade from Europe which will be reciprocated then how big will the fleet of ships be to take the above to markets.. Where?
Wont be able to fly them as the tariffs on them crossing European airspace would raise the prices to such an extent they'll be not viable..
What's your plan b? shoot remainers lol
Given what you've posted thus far I think it more likely that you'll have a negligent discharge or a stoppage whereby your first I A would be to look down the barrel with one up the spout..
So no plan b which given your plan a is totally bollocks means your a bit cattle trucked fella..
Ironic eh.. "
I didn't say it was a perfect idea it was more of sabre rattling to provoke a discussion on the issue |
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"Answer we grew our own crops produced our own livestock and we traded with the world ,fuck we even helped win a few wars and colonised half the known world and without the help of Europe on most of those fronts"
Are you seriously saying we should return to a feudal type society and wage expansionist wars? How old are you? |
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"Come on I haven't heard any other solutions or ideas surely someone has an idea out there on how we go our separate ways with Europe and not get punished for doing so"
Easy, don't leave. Solves all the current problems. |
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"So the fact that the Eurocrats want to squeeze as much money as they can and load the trade agreements in their favour isn't punishment sara"
What are you on about? Where have you heard about this trade deal? |
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"Answer we grew our own crops produced our own livestock and we traded with the world ,fuck we even helped win a few wars and colonised half the known world and without the help of Europe on most of those fronts
Are you seriously saying we should return to a feudal type society and wage expansionist wars? How old are you?"
no I'm not I'm saying we are called great Britain because we had the balls to do our own thing and do it alone and that mentality has stood us in good stead throughout history and we can survive without Europe if need be it is then that is desperate to cling onto us |
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"So the fact that the Eurocrats want to squeeze as much money as they can and load the trade agreements in their favour isn't punishment sara
What are you on about? Where have you heard about this trade deal?"
trade deals have been at the heart of these negotions since it started wether it move with European partners or non |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"So the fact that the Eurocrats want to squeeze as much money as they can and load the trade agreements in their favour isn't punishment sara"
You really must toughen up.
The UK voted to turn 27 allies into 27 competitors.
Britain will get what it voted for.
To leave the EU.
We had a plan for going it alone.
Didn't we?
Brexit means Brexit.
Hip hip hooray!
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"This a thread for people to air their thoughts not question my intelligence by calling me simple I'm a very well educated person who thinks it's time all the so-called political and business leaders of this country listened to our ideas and agreed to support the prime minister instead if slagging her off or at least say maybe u could try this"
It is good to know that you are well educated. It might be an idea if you used it before posting things that make you look the exact opposite.
I am not even going to waste my time refuting all of your points because there is one large, over-riding and fundamental concept that you appear to have missed.
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction."
Why on earth would you even consider hostile actions against nations with whom we would rely on (in or out of the EU) to survive on a daily basis? Your post is a written caricature of a lager lout looking to punch the lights out of anyone who dares look at him in the wrong way on a Friday night.
That lager lout probably needs to get sober, grow up and learn that talking and diplomacy will get him much further in life than threatening those around him who mean him no harm. |
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"Answer we grew our own crops produced our own livestock and we traded with the world ,fuck we even helped win a few wars and colonised half the known world and without the help of Europe on most of those fronts
Are you seriously saying we should return to a feudal type society and wage expansionist wars? How old are you?no I'm not I'm saying we are called great Britain because we had the balls to do our own thing and do it alone and that mentality has stood us in good stead throughout history and we can survive without Europe if need be it is then that is desperate to cling onto us"
I seriously hope you're a troll. Your history is a bit off too:
"The name Britain derives from the Roman word Britannia, but there are two conflicting arguments about why the ‘Great’ was stuck on the front of it. The first is that it is used to distinguish Britain from its similar sounding, but much smaller French neighbour, Brittany. The second reason is due to the ego of a certain King James I, who wanted to make it abundantly clear that he wasn’t just the king of the old Roman Britain (which only included England and some of Wales), but of the entire island; thus he referred to himself as King of Great Britain." |
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"We have a beef and chicken here and there are countries that are closer than the USA that we can import from that aren't in the European market and we can get the British farmers to build up herds and use land they have had to set aside to gain subs from Europe bthat has laid dorment for years ,there are ways and means it just needs a little thought and someone with the drive to see it through
With the tunnel closed to trade from Europe which will be reciprocated then how big will the fleet of ships be to take the above to markets.. Where?
Wont be able to fly them as the tariffs on them crossing European airspace would raise the prices to such an extent they'll be not viable..
What's your plan b? shoot remainers lol
Given what you've posted thus far I think it more likely that you'll have a negligent discharge or a stoppage whereby your first I A would be to look down the barrel with one up the spout..
So no plan b which given your plan a is totally bollocks means your a bit cattle trucked fella..
Ironic eh.. I didn't say it was a perfect idea it was more of sabre rattling to provoke a discussion on the issue"
It's a stupid idea, yet notice that you've failed to respond or explain how..?
That's how a discussion works..
Not just say something daft then ignore when others respond..
Over to you, discuss away.. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"So the fact that the Eurocrats want to squeeze as much money as they can and load the trade agreements in their favour isn't punishment sara"
There you go again...
"We" voted to leave a union of 28 cooperating nations and we are now doing our utmost to turn 27 friendly neighbours into 27 trading competitors.
As it happens - there is not even a trading agreement in place, but when there is, you can be sure - 100% sure - that it will be weighted in favour of the EU, because they are the major partner in the deal and we are the junior partner simply by the scale of economies. That is how it works.
If you think it unfair that the EU should have a trade deal weighted in their favour, get used to it. The US/UK trade deal (if it happens) will seem like purgatory by comparison. |
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"Answer we grew our own crops produced our own livestock and we traded with the world ,fuck we even helped win a few wars and colonised half the known world and without the help of Europe on most of those fronts
Are you seriously saying we should return to a feudal type society and wage expansionist wars? How old are you?no I'm not I'm saying we are called great Britain because we had the balls to do our own thing and do it alone and that mentality has stood us in good stead throughout history and we can survive without Europe if need be it is then that is desperate to cling onto us"
Kin eck fella you don't even know the history of this country..
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Better idea, we put all brexiteers on Anglesey, build a wall on mainland Wales, and tell you to sort your own affairs out.
I mean in order to compete with China and America on your own you'll need a lot of cheap labour in a small area.
Then if you try to cross for economic reasons we'll stop you from crossing the straits. |
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"Come on I haven't heard any other solutions or ideas surely someone has an idea out there on how we go our separate ways with Europe and not get punished for doing so
Easy, don't leave. Solves all the current problems."
No it doesn't. That would leave a massive political and democratic problem. |
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"We’re gonna get hungry.
And maybe freeze.
Project fear.
There is a big wide world out there to import food from, besides the EU.
A lot of our gas for heating comes from Russia, who are not in the EU. Maybe a bit more fracking here in the UK and we can supply our own gas and boost the economy in the process, creating new jobs and bringing in investment for it.
Example: A flight to ireland costs £100
A flight to the U.S.A costs £500
That imported chicken & Beef we are going
to get from america is subsidised by the supermarkets to keep the prices affordable ?
I think not chap.
So using the same logic (on transport costs) it's going to be more expensive for Nissan to make the X-trail in Japan now because they're going to have to pay more to ship it to Europe from the other side of the world, rather than shipping it over the short distance over the channel from the UK. "
Nissan have stated the XTrail is ot part of there long term strategy.
They will be investing heavily in electronic cars for the future.
Probably in the EU somewhere
Where they have an agreement
Between themselves & tbe EU.
Hope that clarifies it for you Pumpkin
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"This a thread for people to air their thoughts not question my intelligence by calling me simple I'm a very well educated person who thinks it's time all the so-called political and business leaders of this country listened to our ideas and agreed to support the prime minister instead if slagging her off or at least say maybe u could try this
It is good to know that you are well educated. It might be an idea if you used it before posting things that make you look the exact opposite.
I am not even going to waste my time refuting all of your points because there is one large, over-riding and fundamental concept that you appear to have missed.
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction."
Why on earth would you even consider hostile actions against nations with whom we would rely on (in or out of the EU) to survive on a daily basis? Your post is a written caricature of a lager lout looking to punch the lights out of anyone who dares look at him in the wrong way on a Friday night.
That lager lout probably needs to get sober, grow up and learn that talking and diplomacy will get him much further in life than threatening those around him who mean him no harm."
Diplomacy? Like saying there is a special place in Hell for the people you're negotiating with? If that's the EU's idea of diplomacy I think we're better off without it. |
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"Ffs again it's easy to deride my ideas but apart from one person saying remain no one has actually offered up an alternative solution"
So you're asking other leavers then...good luck getting an answer there.
You may get one slightly less offensive than yours but it'll also have many of the same flaws. |
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"This a thread for people to air their thoughts not question my intelligence by calling me simple I'm a very well educated person who thinks it's time all the so-called political and business leaders of this country listened to our ideas and agreed to support the prime minister instead if slagging her off or at least say maybe u could try this
It is good to know that you are well educated. It might be an idea if you used it before posting things that make you look the exact opposite.
I am not even going to waste my time refuting all of your points because there is one large, over-riding and fundamental concept that you appear to have missed.
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction."
Why on earth would you even consider hostile actions against nations with whom we would rely on (in or out of the EU) to survive on a daily basis? Your post is a written caricature of a lager lout looking to punch the lights out of anyone who dares look at him in the wrong way on a Friday night.
That lager lout probably needs to get sober, grow up and learn that talking and diplomacy will get him much further in life than threatening those around him who mean him no harm.
Diplomacy? Like saying there is a special place in Hell for the people you're negotiating with? If that's the EU's idea of diplomacy I think we're better off without it. "
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"Ffs again it's easy to deride my ideas but apart from one person saying remain no one has actually offered up an alternative solution
So you're asking other leavers then...good luck getting an answer there.
You may get one slightly less offensive than yours but it'll also have many of the same flaws."
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"We’re gonna get hungry.
And maybe freeze.
Project fear.
There is a big wide world out there to import food from, besides the EU.
A lot of our gas for heating comes from Russia, who are not in the EU. Maybe a bit more fracking here in the UK and we can supply our own gas and boost the economy in the process, creating new jobs and bringing in investment for it.
Example: A flight to ireland costs £100
A flight to the U.S.A costs £500
That imported chicken & Beef we are going
to get from america is subsidised by the supermarkets to keep the prices affordable ?
I think not chap.
So using the same logic (on transport costs) it's going to be more expensive for Nissan to make the X-trail in Japan now because they're going to have to pay more to ship it to Europe from the other side of the world, rather than shipping it over the short distance over the channel from the UK.
Nissan have stated the XTrail is ot part of there long term strategy.
They will be investing heavily in electronic cars for the future.
Probably in the EU somewhere
Where they have an agreement
Between themselves & tbe EU.
Hope that clarifies it for you Pumpkin
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But they're making the X trail in Japan now. You said it's more expensive to ship stuff from the other side of the world, because of the increase in transport costs. Just using your own logic Pumpkin. |
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"This a thread for people to air their thoughts not question my intelligence by calling me simple I'm a very well educated person who thinks it's time all the so-called political and business leaders of this country listened to our ideas and agreed to support the prime minister instead if slagging her off or at least say maybe u could try this
It is good to know that you are well educated. It might be an idea if you used it before posting things that make you look the exact opposite.
I am not even going to waste my time refuting all of your points because there is one large, over-riding and fundamental concept that you appear to have missed.
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction."
Why on earth would you even consider hostile actions against nations with whom we would rely on (in or out of the EU) to survive on a daily basis? Your post is a written caricature of a lager lout looking to punch the lights out of anyone who dares look at him in the wrong way on a Friday night.
That lager lout probably needs to get sober, grow up and learn that talking and diplomacy will get him much further in life than threatening those around him who mean him no harm.
Diplomacy? Like saying there is a special place in Hell for the people you're negotiating with? If that's the EU's idea of diplomacy I think we're better off without it. "
He said he wondered if there is a special place etc..
To be honest its a strange thing to say but he was spot on about the lack of a plan, not even a sketch by the likes of Mogg and Boris.. |
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"This a thread for people to air their thoughts not question my intelligence by calling me simple I'm a very well educated person who thinks it's time all the so-called political and business leaders of this country listened to our ideas and agreed to support the prime minister instead if slagging her off or at least say maybe u could try this
It is good to know that you are well educated. It might be an idea if you used it before posting things that make you look the exact opposite.
I am not even going to waste my time refuting all of your points because there is one large, over-riding and fundamental concept that you appear to have missed.
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction."
Why on earth would you even consider hostile actions against nations with whom we would rely on (in or out of the EU) to survive on a daily basis? Your post is a written caricature of a lager lout looking to punch the lights out of anyone who dares look at him in the wrong way on a Friday night.
That lager lout probably needs to get sober, grow up and learn that talking and diplomacy will get him much further in life than threatening those around him who mean him no harm.
Diplomacy? Like saying there is a special place in Hell for the people you're negotiating with? If that's the EU's idea of diplomacy I think we're better off without it. "
You've selected part of quoted there to suit your narrative I'm afraid the comment was clearly aimed at the Bexiteers who didn't and still don't have a plan that would be deemed acceptable.
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"Here's a question for you all,how did we survive for hundreds of years before the European Union ?"
Slavery
Murder
Genocide
Theft
What some would call conquering the known world.
Trouble is
Other people now have the biggesst Guns , so you cant go & conquer anymore.
Russia & America would squash the uk like a cockroach being stepped on by will smith ( MIB).
What money you had left was given to the americans to buy your way through the war & you only managed the final payment of that debt 5 or 6 years ago.
Who benefitted WW2 ?
U.S.A
USSR
Germany
Europe.
Japan
Middle East ( oil)
Not many others.
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"So for those of you that think I've offered simple solutions for simple people lets hear your ideas ,the head wobbler is all ears,let's see what you the more educated brethren have to offer if anything
There are two options.
1. No Brexit, live in a prosperous country
2. Any kind of Brexit, live in an oppressive and poor country.
There is a 3rd option if you're a remoaner. If you love the EU so much leave the UK and go and live there. We'll get on much better here without you. "
Given the demographic of leave voters I find that highly unlikely. You'll all end up in a giant circle jerk while singing Rule Britannia wearing Red, White and Blue top hats and insisting someone else do the work to fix your f*ckups. |
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"We’re gonna get hungry.
And maybe freeze.
Project fear.
There is a big wide world out there to import food from, besides the EU.
A lot of our gas for heating comes from Russia, who are not in the EU. Maybe a bit more fracking here in the UK and we can supply our own gas and boost the economy in the process, creating new jobs and bringing in investment for it.
Example: A flight to ireland costs £100
A flight to the U.S.A costs £500
That imported chicken & Beef we are going
to get from america is subsidised by the supermarkets to keep the prices affordable ?
I think not chap.
So using the same logic (on transport costs) it's going to be more expensive for Nissan to make the X-trail in Japan now because they're going to have to pay more to ship it to Europe from the other side of the world, rather than shipping it over the short distance over the channel from the UK.
Nissan have stated the XTrail is ot part of there long term strategy.
They will be investing heavily in electronic cars for the future.
Probably in the EU somewhere
Where they have an agreement
Between themselves & tbe EU.
Hope that clarifies it for you Pumpkin
But they're making the X trail in Japan now. You said it's more expensive to ship stuff from the other side of the world, because of the increase in transport costs. Just using your own logic Pumpkin. "
X-trail sales in Europe are down & expected to fall more.
Why make the Xtrail here when they can invest for what the European market want.
Cleaner Greener Cars.
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"OP, what is the problem you think your solutions are solving ?
I’m genuinely confused. "
my solutions aren't solving anything if you read the comments lol but I'm offering ideas to Mrs may as bargaining tools on a better Brexit deal know I know they are simplistic but sometimes simple ideas are the best |
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"OP, what is the problem you think your solutions are solving ?
I’m genuinely confused.
They are solving the sore pains in his head from thinking to much "
I actually haven't thought too much as I'm uneducated as a lager lout if you believe my detractors lol |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Ffs again it's easy to deride my ideas but apart from one person saying remain no one has actually offered up an alternative solution"
An alternative solution to what exactly?
You said that Brexit is going to drag on and then announced a list of completely ill thought out, unworkable and hostile solutions that involve blaming other people and which come straight out of the UKIP book of simple politics for simple people.
If you want an answer as to why Brexit is dragging on you just have to look at what we in the U.K. have done and what our politicians have done to get us to this point.
The EU never wanted us to leave and correctly described Brexit as a Lose-Lose. Notwithstanding, the U.K. voted to leave because the Leave vote captured all Leavers of all dispositions - from soft single market / customs Union believers to the other rabid extreme Leavers who wanted to leave and kick all the doors down as they left.
Thereafter MP’s voted to trigger A50 despite the country not having any kind of consensus or plan as to how Brexit should actually look. Theresa May took it on herself alone to interpret what Brexit should mean and then spent two years doing everything possible to exclude Parliament and further divisions in this country.
The EU has maintained its consensus and unified position from day 1. Theresa May is not able to unify her Party, Parliament or the country around any kind of Brexit because even amongst Brexiters, there is no consensus about what Brexit should look like and Remainers have hardened their attitudes at least partly because of the embarrassingly shambolic way that Brexit is being pursued.
And here we are less than two months from Brexit day and Theresa May still looks for an idea that might somehow allow her to take the country out of the EU without any kind of broad consensus and against ALL credible economic evidence.
If you want an answer as to why Brexit is dragging on, it is because U.K. politics has broken our country and the frustration from outside the country (Tusks comments today) is because this is obvious from the outside looking in as we make international fools out of ourselves. |
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"OP, what is the problem you think your solutions are solving ?
I’m genuinely confused.
They are solving the sore pains in his head from thinking to much I actually haven't thought too much as I'm uneducated as a lager lout if you believe my detractors lol"
Don't know about lager lout to be fair. |
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"OP, what is the problem you think your solutions are solving ?
I’m genuinely confused. my solutions aren't solving anything if you read the comments lol but I'm offering ideas to Mrs may as bargaining tools on a better Brexit deal know I know they are simplistic but sometimes simple ideas are the best "
There is a far easier solution
Stay in the EU & Prosper
Tell the lil f*ckwits who moan about politicians not doing what we want , that, that is what they've always done.
Brexit means they'll carry on ignoring us while we make less money spend less money & enjoy life far less. |
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"OP, what is the problem you think your solutions are solving ?
I’m genuinely confused. my solutions aren't solving anything if you read the comments lol but I'm offering ideas to Mrs may as bargaining tools on a better Brexit deal know I know they are simplistic but sometimes simple ideas are the best "
And sometimes they’re terrible !
I’d be looking at the implications of having a customs border in the Irish Sea. I think it’s where the wto waiver may end up. But May wontbwalk towards this given the DuP is propping her up.
I’d certainly not be doing the country equivalent of holding my breath and stamping my feet. As much as we’re told, they can ride a siege out more than us. |
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So it's ok for Spain to invade our waters In Gibraltar and to slow down the flow of traffic in and out of Gibraltar at border crossing points ,it's ok for the French to do what the fuck they like if they don't get there own way or don't like what's happening ie after the foot and mouth embargo on the movement of British livestock was lifted they burned lorries carrying British livestock even though the European Union had told them they had given the green light for us to export again ,but hey it's the French they can do what they like and don't get punished ,same with the cockle boats ,British boats had permits to be in French waters but the French didn't like it because they would be left with the smaller left overs so what do they do they burn and ram British boats and what action does Europe take ,none mmm a bit of a pattern emerging,then there's immigration we are told we have to take X amount in but there comes a time when we can't cope with the influx but if we stay in Europe that influx will increase and we have a shortage of affordable housing and the benefits system and NHS are struggling are Europe going to subsidise us si we can cope answer no,but we are paying into Europe for God knows what to do god knows |
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"So it's ok for Spain to invade our waters In Gibraltar and to slow down the flow of traffic in and out of Gibraltar at border crossing points ,it's ok for the French to do what the fuck they like if they don't get there own way or don't like what's happening ie after the foot and mouth embargo on the movement of British livestock was lifted they burned lorries carrying British livestock even though the European Union had told them they had given the green light for us to export again ,but hey it's the French they can do what they like and don't get punished ,same with the cockle boats ,British boats had permits to be in French waters but the French didn't like it because they would be left with the smaller left overs so what do they do they burn and ram British boats and what action does Europe take ,none mmm a bit of a pattern emerging,then there's immigration we are told we have to take X amount in but there comes a time when we can't cope with the influx but if we stay in Europe that influx will increase and we have a shortage of affordable housing and the benefits system and NHS are struggling are Europe going to subsidise us si we can cope answer no,but we are paying into Europe for God knows what to do god knows "
EU immigrants are a net contributor to the NHS more likely to pay in and less likely to need health care.
Fishing rights were sold by us.
Where do you get your information from?
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"So for those of you that think I've offered simple solutions for simple people lets hear your ideas ,the head wobbler is all ears,let's see what you the more educated brethren have to offer if anything
There are two options.
1. No Brexit, live in a prosperous country
2. Any kind of Brexit, live in an oppressive and poor country.
There is a 3rd option if you're a remoaner. If you love the EU so much leave the UK and go and live there. We'll get on much better here without you. "
We’ve been over this. Since we voted out, we’re now stuck here. |
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"So it's ok for Spain to invade our waters In Gibraltar and to slow down the flow of traffic in and out of Gibraltar at border crossing points ,it's ok for the French to do what the fuck they like if they don't get there own way or don't like what's happening ie after the foot and mouth embargo on the movement of British livestock was lifted they burned lorries carrying British livestock even though the European Union had told them they had given the green light for us to export again ,but hey it's the French they can do what they like and don't get punished ,same with the cockle boats ,British boats had permits to be in French waters but the French didn't like it because they would be left with the smaller left overs so what do they do they burn and ram British boats and what action does Europe take ,none mmm a bit of a pattern emerging,then there's immigration we are told we have to take X amount in but there comes a time when we can't cope with the influx but if we stay in Europe that influx will increase and we have a shortage of affordable housing and the benefits system and NHS are struggling are Europe going to subsidise us si we can cope answer no,but we are paying into Europe for God knows what to do god knows "
You’re horribly misinformed and completely out of your depth. |
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"So it's ok for Spain to invade our waters In Gibraltar and to slow down the flow of traffic in and out of Gibraltar at border crossing points ,it's ok for the French to do what the fuck they like if they don't get there own way or don't like what's happening ie after the foot and mouth embargo on the movement of British livestock was lifted they burned lorries carrying British livestock even though the European Union had told them they had given the green light for us to export again ,but hey it's the French they can do what they like and don't get punished ,same with the cockle boats ,British boats had permits to be in French waters but the French didn't like it because they would be left with the smaller left overs so what do they do they burn and ram British boats and what action does Europe take ,none mmm a bit of a pattern emerging,then there's immigration we are told we have to take X amount in but there comes a time when we can't cope with the influx but if we stay in Europe that influx will increase and we have a shortage of affordable housing and the benefits system and NHS are struggling are Europe going to subsidise us si we can cope answer no,but we are paying into Europe for God knows what to do god knows
You’re horribly misinformed and completely out of your depth. "
if u say so ,so u don't think our NHS is failing and the benefits system is doing ok ,and there's plenty of sustainable affordable housing being built and food banks are a myth ,and that immigration is under control ,wake up |
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"Fucked if we stay fucked if we leave"
What's that supposed to mean? Brexit really has brought people like you out of the woodwork.
People who seem to believe opinions and facts have the same value it so dangerous.
You have done zero research and expect to be taken seriously when your opening gambit is, "Brick up the Channel tunnel." Grow up. |
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"So it's ok for Spain to invade our waters In Gibraltar and to slow down the flow of traffic in and out of Gibraltar at border crossing points ,it's ok for the French to do what the fuck they like if they don't get there own way or don't like what's happening ie after the foot and mouth embargo on the movement of British livestock was lifted they burned lorries carrying British livestock even though the European Union had told them they had given the green light for us to export again ,but hey it's the French they can do what they like and don't get punished ,same with the cockle boats ,British boats had permits to be in French waters but the French didn't like it because they would be left with the smaller left overs so what do they do they burn and ram British boats and what action does Europe take ,none mmm a bit of a pattern emerging,then there's immigration we are told we have to take X amount in but there comes a time when we can't cope with the influx but if we stay in Europe that influx will increase and we have a shortage of affordable housing and the benefits system and NHS are struggling are Europe going to subsidise us si we can cope answer no,but we are paying into Europe for God knows what to do god knows
You’re horribly misinformed and completely out of your depth. if u say so ,so u don't think our NHS is failing and the benefits system is doing ok ,and there's plenty of sustainable affordable housing being built and food banks are a myth ,and that immigration is under control ,wake up"
Simple answer to this mate the Tories.
But you've fallen for the 'blame Johnny foreigner trick' they've played for the last 40 years.
It'll be funny when they have nobody to blame. |
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"Fucked if we stay fucked if we leave
What's that supposed to mean? Brexit really has brought people like you out of the woodwork.
People who seem to believe opinions and facts have the same value it so dangerous.
You have done zero research and expect to be taken seriously when your opening gambit is, "Brick up the Channel tunnel." Grow up."
I read I listen to the radio but all I see is bitching from everyone involved and no viable solution , Europe want us to stay but on their terms ,if we leave it's still on their term s that's why people voted to leave because they are sick of it always being on Europe's terms,we are one of the biggest contributors in Europe on all fronts but we can't do anything without Eurocrats dictating to us |
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"Fucked if we stay fucked if we leave
What's that supposed to mean? Brexit really has brought people like you out of the woodwork.
People who seem to believe opinions and facts have the same value it so dangerous.
You have done zero research and expect to be taken seriously when your opening gambit is, "Brick up the Channel tunnel." Grow up.I read I listen to the radio but all I see is bitching from everyone involved and no viable solution , Europe want us to stay but on their terms ,if we leave it's still on their term s that's why people voted to leave because they are sick of it always being on Europe's terms,we are one of the biggest contributors in Europe on all fronts but we can't do anything without Eurocrats dictating to us "
How many EU laws do you think our government has voted against? We do have the option you know. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"So it's ok for Spain to invade our waters In Gibraltar and to slow down the flow of traffic in and out of Gibraltar at border crossing points ,it's ok for the French to do what the fuck they like if they don't get there own way or don't like what's happening ie after the foot and mouth embargo on the movement of British livestock was lifted they burned lorries carrying British livestock even though the European Union had told them they had given the green light for us to export again ,but hey it's the French they can do what they like and don't get punished ,same with the cockle boats ,British boats had permits to be in French waters but the French didn't like it because they would be left with the smaller left overs so what do they do they burn and ram British boats and what action does Europe take ,none mmm a bit of a pattern emerging,then there's immigration we are told we have to take X amount in but there comes a time when we can't cope with the influx but if we stay in Europe that influx will increase and we have a shortage of affordable housing and the benefits system and NHS are struggling are Europe going to subsidise us si we can cope answer no,but we are paying into Europe for God knows what to do god knows "
jesus! you really aren't listening are you.....
if you are going to include the NHS in your rant, you need to know How the NHS actually works in Relation to EU nationals....
if an EU national needs treatment in the UK, that "cost" isn't covered by the NHS, It is covered by that Country who then pay the NHS!!!!! the same thing happens it the case of UK ex-pats living in the likes of spain, or france, or italy, or greece or portugal!!!!
the NHS isn't crumbling because of EU nationals... it is being propped up BY EU nationals who come to work in the NHS... For example, the UK has a cronic shortage of Radiographers at the moment (people don't want to go into that field of study) so the NHS at the moment get a lot of the radiographers they need from spain and italy
they are people who have upped sticks and helping us as a nation!
there are a lot more examples.... the issue with the NHS is they don't produce the staff the need from the UK alone... or a lot of the highly tecnhical people piss off to the US, or Canada, or Australia or new zealand or the middle east..... and the last time i checked NONE of those were in the EU!!!!!
as i said last time, you are more likely to be treated by an EU national than you be in a doctors surgery or hospital bed next to one! |
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"Yes I know but at the end of the day should we not have the right to govern ourselves without being over ruled by outside influences"
Do you know? you haven't provided an answer. I'm looking for a percentage. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"if u say so ,so u don't think our NHS is failing and the benefits system is doing ok ,and there's plenty of sustainable affordable housing being built and food banks are a myth ,and that immigration is under control ,wake up"
1) NHS relies on tax receipts for funding. Your list of “solutions” contained proposals that would reduce tax receipts innthis country in the short, mid and long term. The issue that upsets youvwill be made worse by your solutions.
2) Benefits and welfare. As above. Needs tax receipts to function properly and an empathetic Government to implement it fairly.
3) Affordable housing. This too relies on Govetnment funding to finance. Where will that come from if you enact policies that will reduce tax receipts.
4) Food banks (and homelessness - that you didn’t mention) are results of austerity policies introduced since 2010. Whether anyone agrees with the concept of austerity or not, the government say it is needed to bridge the gap between spending and receipts because increasing taxes is not a vote winner.
5) How can immigration not be under control when we are not part of Shenghen? The Home Office has had at all times the means to control immigration both from the EU and from no EU countries. The fact that they have chosen to act like the underfunded agency that they are is not the fault of the EU - it is a policy of our Govt to not adequately fund the border force to do its job properly.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Yes I know but at the end of the day should we not have the right to govern ourselves without being over ruled by outside influences"
i'll give him the answer toady.... of all the cases that are referred to the ECJ by the UK courts.... 97% of all the cases go the UK governments way!!
let that sink in..... 97%.....
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"Yes I know but at the end of the day should we not have the right to govern ourselves without being over ruled by outside influences
i'll give him the answer toady.... of all the cases that are referred to the ECJ by the UK courts.... 97% of all the cases go the UK governments way!!
let that sink in..... 97%.....
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Fucked if we stay fucked if we leave
What's that supposed to mean? Brexit really has brought people like you out of the woodwork.
People who seem to believe opinions and facts have the same value it so dangerous.
You have done zero research and expect to be taken seriously when your opening gambit is, "Brick up the Channel tunnel." Grow up.I read I listen to the radio but all I see is bitching from everyone involved and no viable solution , Europe want us to stay but on their terms ,if we leave it's still on their term s that's why people voted to leave because they are sick of it always being on Europe's terms,we are one of the biggest contributors in Europe on all fronts but we can't do anything without Eurocrats dictating to us "
Life is not fair is it? You get into agreements with a landlord, a bank, an energy company or even a mobile phone company and the twats expect you to honour the mutually beneficial agreement that you entered into. Fuckers.
You do know that personal agreements, family agreements, company agreements and even national and international agreements ALL involve compromise.
It is the way things work in the real world. |
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over a year ago
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nope.... thats a classic backtrack and people will forever be able to see you are in fact "an idiot" due to the lovely green arrow.......
but thanks for playing......... |
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"We’re gonna get hungry.
And maybe freeze.
Project fear.
There is a big wide world out there to import food from, besides the EU.
A lot of our gas for heating comes from Russia, who are not in the EU. Maybe a bit more fracking here in the UK and we can supply our own gas and boost the economy in the process, creating new jobs and bringing in investment for it. "
& of course, the Ukraine did really, really well relying on Russian Gas!  |
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"We’re gonna get hungry.
And maybe freeze.
Project fear.
There is a big wide world out there to import food from, besides the EU.
A lot of our gas for heating comes from Russia, who are not in the EU. Maybe a bit more fracking here in the UK and we can supply our own gas and boost the economy in the process, creating new jobs and bringing in investment for it.
Example: A flight to ireland costs £100
A flight to the U.S.A costs £500
That imported chicken & Beef we are going
to get from america is subsidised by the supermarkets to keep the prices affordable ?
I think not chap.
So using the same logic (on transport costs) it's going to be more expensive for Nissan to make the X-trail in Japan now because they're going to have to pay more to ship it to Europe from the other side of the world, rather than shipping it over the short distance over the channel from the UK.
Nissan have stated the XTrail is ot part of there long term strategy.
They will be investing heavily in electronic cars for the future.
Probably in the EU somewhere
Where they have an agreement
Between themselves & tbe EU.
Hope that clarifies it for you Pumpkin
But they're making the X trail in Japan now. You said it's more expensive to ship stuff from the other side of the world, because of the increase in transport costs. Just using your own logic Pumpkin.
X-trail sales in Europe are down & expected to fall more.
Why make the Xtrail here when they can invest for what the European market want.
Cleaner Greener Cars.
Makes sense Flower."
They're still going to import the X-trail from Japan into Europe though. Using your logic they shouldn't be doing it as its more expensive after transport costs petal. |
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"We’re gonna get hungry.
And maybe freeze.
Project fear.
There is a big wide world out there to import food from, besides the EU.
A lot of our gas for heating comes from Russia, who are not in the EU. Maybe a bit more fracking here in the UK and we can supply our own gas and boost the economy in the process, creating new jobs and bringing in investment for it.
& of course, the Ukraine did really, really well relying on Russian Gas! "
Ukraine was fine until the EU stuck its beak in there, and destabilised the region by encouraging a coup of a democratically elected leader. |
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"So it's ok for Spain to invade our waters In Gibraltar and to slow down the flow of traffic in and out of Gibraltar at border crossing points. "
Quote of the day right here.
You invade a countries territory
Then ask if that country has the right to invade the water around that invaded territory.
PRICELESS |
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"You forgot the bit about building a wall around England so the rest of these islands can live in peace.
Shouldn't that be England and Wales as a majority voted Leave in Wales too. "
Yes this poster always leaves out Wales because it doesn't fit with the little Englander theory! |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"So it's ok for Spain to invade our waters In Gibraltar and to slow down the flow of traffic in and out of Gibraltar at border crossing points.
Quote of the day right here.
You invade a countries territory
Then ask if that country has the right to invade the water around that invaded territory.
PRICELESS "
The Treaty of Utrecht 1713 says otherwise.
Gibraltar belongs to us, Spain gave it to us. |
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"So it's ok for Spain to invade our waters In Gibraltar and to slow down the flow of traffic in and out of Gibraltar at border crossing points ,it's ok for the French to do what the fuck they like if they don't get there own way or don't like what's happening ie after the foot and mouth embargo on the movement of British livestock was lifted they burned lorries carrying British livestock even though the European Union had told them they had given the green light for us to export again ,but hey it's the French they can do what they like and don't get punished ,same with the cockle boats ,British boats had permits to be in French waters but the French didn't like it because they would be left with the smaller left overs so what do they do they burn and ram British boats and what action does Europe take ,none mmm a bit of a pattern emerging,then there's immigration we are told we have to take X amount in but there comes a time when we can't cope with the influx but if we stay in Europe that influx will increase and we have a shortage of affordable housing and the benefits system and NHS are struggling are Europe going to subsidise us si we can cope answer no,but we are paying into Europe for God knows what to do god knows
EU immigrants are a net contributor to the NHS more likely to pay in and less likely to need health care.
Fishing rights were sold by us.
Where do you get your information from?
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Yes I know but at the end of the day should we not have the right to govern ourselves without being over ruled by outside influences"
I hear that all the time in Scotland.
Except there it's not Brussels, it's Westminster.
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"So it's ok for Spain to invade our waters In Gibraltar and to slow down the flow of traffic in and out of Gibraltar at border crossing points ,it's ok for the French to do what the fuck they like if they don't get there own way or don't like what's happening ie after the foot and mouth embargo on the movement of British livestock was lifted they burned lorries carrying British livestock even though the European Union had told them they had given the green light for us to export again ,but hey it's the French they can do what they like and don't get punished ,same with the cockle boats ,British boats had permits to be in French waters but the French didn't like it because they would be left with the smaller left overs so what do they do they burn and ram British boats and what action does Europe take ,none mmm a bit of a pattern emerging,then there's immigration we are told we have to take X amount in but there comes a time when we can't cope with the influx but if we stay in Europe that influx will increase and we have a shortage of affordable housing and the benefits system and NHS are struggling are Europe going to subsidise us si we can cope answer no,but we are paying into Europe for God knows what to do god knows
EU immigrants are a net contributor to the NHS more likely to pay in and less likely to need health care.
Fishing rights were sold by us.
Where do you get your information from?
From Centaur "
Who gets it from the Daily Express |
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By *9bottMan
over a year ago
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But they're making the X trail in Japan now. You said it's more expensive to ship stuff from the other side of the world, because of the increase in transport costs. Just using your own logic Pumpkin. "
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These threads get funnier and funnier - I know we all love to hate politicians but honestly, with such deep thinking like the OP’s going around then you can see why referendums are such a shit idea! |
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"These threads get funnier and funnier - I know we all love to hate politicians but honestly, with such deep thinking like the OP’s going around then you can see why referendums are such a shit idea!"
Been saying that for years.
The only other solution would be to ask ten basic questions based on the subject with which people are being asked to vote on, in this example, the EU. Fact based questions. If you get any one wrong then your vote doesn’t count.
This will force people to actually learn some facts about what they’re voting on. It will discourage the bullshit propaganda.
People like the OP won’t have their vote counted, thus eliminating people who voted one way or the other based on a load of nonsense. And we wouldn’t have been going through Brexit for the last 2 1/2 years. |
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"These threads get funnier and funnier - I know we all love to hate politicians but honestly, with such deep thinking like the OP’s going around then you can see why referendums are such a shit idea!
Been saying that for years.
The only other solution would be to ask ten basic questions based on the subject with which people are being asked to vote on, in this example, the EU. Fact based questions. If you get any one wrong then your vote doesn’t count.
This will force people to actually learn some facts about what they’re voting on. It will discourage the bullshit propaganda.
People like the OP won’t have their vote counted, thus eliminating people who voted one way or the other based on a load of nonsense. And we wouldn’t have been going through Brexit for the last 2 1/2 years."
Sounds like a good idea to me! |
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"So it's ok for Spain to invade our waters In Gibraltar and to slow down the flow of traffic in and out of Gibraltar at border crossing points.
Quote of the day right here.
You invade a countries territory
Then ask if that country has the right to invade the water around that invaded territory.
PRICELESS
The Treaty of Utrecht 1713 says otherwise.
Gibraltar belongs to us, Spain gave it to us."
I think youll find the DUTCH gave it to you , something that at the time may have been right but i doubt for much longer . |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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I imagine that if the Spanish had occupied let’s say the Wirral for the past 300 years, the English would be agitating for its return.
Donning the knotted hankie, union jack underpants and flicking the vicky-Vs at your neighbour really isn’t the most mature thing to do. |
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"I imagine that if the Spanish had occupied let’s say the Wirral for the past 300 years, the English would be agitating for its return.
Donning the knotted hankie, union jack underpants and flicking the vicky-Vs at your neighbour really isn’t the most mature thing to do."
It's called democracy but as a supporter of an undemocratic EU run by enelected bureaucrats like Tusk and Juncker you probably don't understand it. The people of Gibraltar have indicated in elections they wish to remain under British rule, rather than Spanish rule. Same applies to the Falklands, they've said through the ballot box they want to remain under British rule rather than Argentine rule. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"So it's ok for Spain to invade our waters In Gibraltar and to slow down the flow of traffic in and out of Gibraltar at border crossing points.
Quote of the day right here.
You invade a countries territory
Then ask if that country has the right to invade the water around that invaded territory.
PRICELESS
The Treaty of Utrecht 1713 says otherwise.
Gibraltar belongs to us, Spain gave it to us.
I think youll find the DUTCH gave it to you , something that at the time may have been right but i doubt for much longer ."
I think you will find we didn't invade we were ask for support in the war of succession if the other contender for the throne had won the whole of Spain would not exist it would be France. |
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Once Spain have resolved the issue with Ceuta and Melilla then maybe they would have better grounds to argue about Gibraltar. At the moment, it is really up to the people of Gibraltar to decide their own destiny. |
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"So it's ok for Spain to invade our waters In Gibraltar and to slow down the flow of traffic in and out of Gibraltar at border crossing points.
Quote of the day right here.
You invade a countries territory
Then ask if that country has the right to invade the water around that invaded territory.
PRICELESS
The Treaty of Utrecht 1713 says otherwise.
Gibraltar belongs to us, Spain gave it to us.
I think youll find the DUTCH gave it to you , something that at the time may have been right but i doubt for much longer .I think you will find we didn't invade we were ask for support in the war of succession if the other contender for the throne had won the whole of Spain would not exist it would id France."
Again Gib was Captured by the Dutch
Then under the Utrect agreement was ceded to Britain.
You quote the Utrecht agreement without knowing what it was.
Spains new king was also in line to be the next French king.
Britain & others did not want this so to make sure it didnt happen the Other powers carved the place up.
Gibraltar being part of that deal.
As for leaving it to those that are from there to decide, could
That not have been allowed in 1712
Therefore negating any Utrecht deal & involvement from the British ?
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"So it's ok for Spain to invade our waters In Gibraltar and to slow down the flow of traffic in and out of Gibraltar at border crossing points.
Quote of the day right here.
You invade a countries territory
Then ask if that country has the right to invade the water around that invaded territory.
PRICELESS
The Treaty of Utrecht 1713 says otherwise.
Gibraltar belongs to us, Spain gave it to us.
I think youll find the DUTCH gave it to you , something that at the time may have been right but i doubt for much longer .I think you will find we didn't invade we were ask for support in the war of succession if the other contender for the throne had won the whole of Spain would not exist it would id France.
Again Gib was Captured by the Dutch
Then under the Utrect agreement was ceded to Britain.
You quote the Utrecht agreement without knowing what it was.
Spains new king was also in line to be the next French king.
Britain & others did not want this so to make sure it didnt happen the Other powers carved the place up.
Gibraltar being part of that deal.
As for leaving it to those that are from there to decide, could
That not have been allowed in 1712
Therefore negating any Utrecht deal & involvement from the British ?
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I think Rooke and Byng might take exception to that! It was an anglo-dutch force that captured Gibraltar in 1704.
The Utrecht treaties quite clearly say that the Crown of Spain cede Gibraltar and Menorca to The Crown of England, and in perpetuity.
We gave Menorca back eventually. |
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"Once Spain have resolved the issue with Ceuta and Melilla then maybe they would have better grounds to argue about Gibraltar. At the moment, it is really up to the people of Gibraltar to decide their own destiny."
Yeah when Spain are savagely beating thier own people in the streets for daring to go to an informal independence vote.
I dont think anyone in good conscience could cede to them an island whos population has voted to remain british not Spanish.
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I'm loving this thread...it's like a tipsy mc swagger rant in a pub after a belly full of belgian beer and peanuts...'and another thing......etc'.
Well done OP for kicking this off. |
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"Once Spain have resolved the issue with Ceuta and Melilla then maybe they would have better grounds to argue about Gibraltar. At the moment, it is really up to the people of Gibraltar to decide their own destiny.
Yeah when Spain are savagely beating thier own people in the streets for daring to go to an informal independence vote.
I dont think anyone in good conscience could cede to them an island whos population has voted to remain british not Spanish.
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Beter to beat them than to open fire on them
Not minding if they murder people .
Oh sorry that want in England just the uk
I know my place
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"Once Spain have resolved the issue with Ceuta and Melilla then maybe they would have better grounds to argue about Gibraltar. At the moment, it is really up to the people of Gibraltar to decide their own destiny.
Yeah when Spain are savagely beating thier own people in the streets for daring to go to an informal independence vote.
I dont think anyone in good conscience could cede to them an island whos population has voted to remain british not Spanish.
Beter to beat them than to open fire on them
Not minding if they murder people .
Oh sorry that want in England just the uk
I know my place
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Honestly given the typos not sure what your talking about
Guessing its the NI stuff.
But i dont think you can compare something that happened 30 plus years ago during an armed insurgency with something that happened last year in a peaceful politicsl demonstration |
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"Once Spain have resolved the issue with Ceuta and Melilla then maybe they would have better grounds to argue about Gibraltar. At the moment, it is really up to the people of Gibraltar to decide their own destiny.
Yeah when Spain are savagely beating thier own people in the streets for daring to go to an informal independence vote.
I dont think anyone in good conscience could cede to them an island whos population has voted to remain british not Spanish.
Better to beat them than to open fire on them
Not minding if they murder people .
Oh sorry that want in England just the uk
I know my place
Honestly given the typos not sure what your talking about
Guessing its the NI stuff.
But i dont think you can compare something that happened 30 plus years ago during an armed insurgency with something that happened last year in a peaceful politicsl demonstration"
What you can notice the difference between 1 word not having 2 t's in it, but you cant see the 2 situations are all about independence from a Bully State ?
Civil fights march in derry
Ballymurphy slaughter
Neither incident was an armed insurgency
1 was a peaceful demonstration the other
Was just outright murder. |
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Ill-thought through on so many levels op. Peace is priceless - so causing further repurcussions is just stupid and self-harming.
The EU have been fairly competent negotiators throughout the brexit cluserf£ck, whilst the UK still hasn't decided what it wants - the UK has been the difficult side and should aim to rebalance things, for greater harmony and future prospects. Don't blame them, blame the conservative party, if you don't like what you see. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Ill-thought through on so many levels op. Peace is priceless - so causing further repurcussions is just stupid and self-harming.
The EU have been fairly competent negotiators throughout the brexit cluserf£ck, whilst the UK still hasn't decided what it wants - the UK has been the difficult side and should aim to rebalance things, for greater harmony and future prospects. Don't blame them, blame the conservative party, if you don't like what you see."
What makes you think the EU has competent negotiators?As far as I can see both sides are represented by idiots |
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"Ill-thought through on so many levels op. Peace is priceless - so causing further repurcussions is just stupid and self-harming.
The EU have been fairly competent negotiators throughout the brexit cluserf£ck, whilst the UK still hasn't decided what it wants - the UK has been the difficult side and should aim to rebalance things, for greater harmony and future prospects. Don't blame them, blame the conservative party, if you don't like what you see.What makes you think the EU has competent negotiators?As far as I can see both sides are represented by idiots"
The Eu doesnt need to negotiate .
Its not leaving. |
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"Ill-thought through on so many levels op. Peace is priceless - so causing further repurcussions is just stupid and self-harming.
The EU have been fairly competent negotiators throughout the brexit cluserf£ck, whilst the UK still hasn't decided what it wants - the UK has been the difficult side and should aim to rebalance things, for greater harmony and future prospects. Don't blame them, blame the conservative party, if you don't like what you see.What makes you think the EU has competent negotiators?As far as I can see both sides are represented by idiots
The Eu doesnt need to negotiate .
Its not leaving."
It’s strange to think of the Irish problem to be a negotiation.
Both sides want the same thing. Peace.
We’re starting from an existing solution that achieves this aim.
Yet we’re viewing agreeing a rework as though we are starting from opposite sides. |
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"Answer we grew our own crops produced our own livestock and we traded with the world ,fuck we even helped win a few wars and colonised half the known world and without the help of Europe on most of those fronts"
You do know we havent been self sufficient in food since the 19th century dont you? |
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"So it's ok for Spain to invade our waters In Gibraltar and to slow down the flow of traffic in and out of Gibraltar at border crossing points ,it's ok for the French to do what the fuck they like if they don't get there own way or don't like what's happening ie after the foot and mouth embargo on the movement of British livestock was lifted they burned lorries carrying British livestock even though the European Union had told them they had given the green light for us to export again ,but hey it's the French they can do what they like and don't get punished ,same with the cockle boats ,British boats had permits to be in French waters but the French didn't like it because they would be left with the smaller left overs so what do they do they burn and ram British boats and what action does Europe take ,none mmm a bit of a pattern emerging,then there's immigration we are told we have to take X amount in but there comes a time when we can't cope with the influx but if we stay in Europe that influx will increase and we have a shortage of affordable housing and the benefits system and NHS are struggling are Europe going to subsidise us si we can cope answer no,but we are paying into Europe for God knows what to do god knows "
Please write in sentences. This stream of consciousness twaddle makes my eyes bleed.... |
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"I imagine that if the Spanish had occupied let’s say the Wirral for the past 300 years, the English would be agitating for its return.
Donning the knotted hankie, union jack underpants and flicking the vicky-Vs at your neighbour really isn’t the most mature thing to do.
It's called democracy but as a supporter of an undemocratic EU run by enelected bureaucrats like Tusk and Juncker you probably don't understand it. The people of Gibraltar have indicated in elections they wish to remain under British rule, rather than Spanish rule. Same applies to the Falklands, they've said through the ballot box they want to remain under British rule rather than Argentine rule. "
Interesting that you care so much about Gib....yet you're ot interested that well over 90% of them voted remain |
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"I imagine that if the Spanish had occupied let’s say the Wirral for the past 300 years, the English would be agitating for its return.
Donning the knotted hankie, union jack underpants and flicking the vicky-Vs at your neighbour really isn’t the most mature thing to do.
It's called democracy but as a supporter of an undemocratic EU run by enelected bureaucrats like Tusk and Juncker you probably don't understand it. The people of Gibraltar have indicated in elections they wish to remain under British rule, rather than Spanish rule. Same applies to the Falklands, they've said through the ballot box they want to remain under British rule rather than Argentine rule.
Interesting that you care so much about Gib....yet you're ot interested that well over 90% of them voted remain"
It wasn't a referendum for Gibraltar on its own though was it. Gibraltar is not a member of the EU on its own and never has been. My constituency of Cannock voted almost 70% leave. It wasn't a referendum for Cannock on its own either though. Cannock has never been a member of the EU on its own. It was a UK wide referendum for the UK as a whole. It was the UK as a whole who joined the EU. The UK as a whole voted to Leave. |
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Back to the topic of British People rebelling .
Are the 6 counties already gone ?
British people rebelling makes me assume they are not happy that the union may have been broken by Brexit .
The EU has succeded in its aim to reunite the island of Ireland
Leaving Great Britain the nation that once ruled the waves in
A political I.C.U
You reap what you sew . |
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