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Nissan will stop production in sunderland.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It comes after a chilling brexit message that they will continue with the new car in japan as there will be high tariffs when britain leave and uncertainly, because many parts comes from within the eu, 1000s of jobs are at risk, whats your view, how will the future look for the car manufacturing industry? |
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"It comes after a chilling brexit message that they will continue with the new car in japan as there will be high tariffs when britain leave and uncertainly, because many parts comes from within the eu, 1000s of jobs are at risk, whats your view, how will the future look for the car manufacturing industry? "
It's f**ked |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It comes after a chilling brexit message that they will continue with the new car in japan as there will be high tariffs when britain leave and uncertainly, because many parts comes from within the eu, 1000s of jobs are at risk, whats your view, how will the future look for the car manufacturing industry?
It's f**ked"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"..andit's only one model. Others are still built there aren't they?"
Yes it is, but you never know what will happen with the next cars they will build.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you read the report....
Production of the next Xtrail, which was planned for the UK will remain in Japan. The arse is falling out of the Diesel market in the UK/ EU due to increses on fuel duty, astronomic VED etc. This is a Government policy driven issue not related to brexit.
Manufacture of the Juke and Quasqai will remain in Sunderland.
It is the loss of potential jobs, not the loss of jobs.
Everyone quotes "uncertainty" as the problem.
Either crack on with leaving or crack on with staying put. The dicking about with the last minute "in / half in / out" is creating more uncertainty than a "we're out, here's how we move forward". |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Misleading thread title Shag as they're not stopping production.
This is to do with a new model which isn't currently being built in Sunderland - but is currently built in Japan.
Nissan had initially planned to increase production of the X-Trail by adding it to the Sunderland plant, but with the decline in Diesel sales (and vehicle sales in general), they've decided to scrap the idea |
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More scaremongering from the chattering classes.Its a future contract we are talking about.
Op..This just sounds like a Daily Mail heading.
I wish politicians such as Cable etc would be a little more honest and say; We dont want Brexit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The whole country will cease to operate after Brexit. No electricity, no bread, no condoms. Withdraw all your money and stash it under your mattress. "
Why? It's already in the wardrobe... Will there be export tarrifs imposed on cash in wardrobes.. wouldn't be surprised with TM the PM,  |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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Maybe if the OP addressed the real problems with worldwide car production instead of coming out with a misleading thread title and the usual Brexit hysteria, he would have more credibility.
Diesel cars, especially large diesel cars, are simply not wanted anymore. And these big SUVs are not as popular as they were. No one wants them.
The Nissan X-trail, that uses the Renault diesel engine, was going to be built at Sunderland. However, this diesel engine has had problems meeting the current emmissions regulations, and these regulations are about to get even more stringent. So much so, many EU countries would heavily penalise such a vehicle.
There is a petrol variant, and this uses engines built in Japan. The cost implications of moving these engines to Sunderland, means it's just more cost effective to build this model in Japan.
There are no current plans to halt any production in Sunderland, and the plant continues to build some 2000 vehicles a week. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Misleading thread title Shag as they're not stopping production.
This is to do with a new model which isn't currently being built in Sunderland - but is currently built in Japan.
Nissan had initially planned to increase production of the X-Trail by adding it to the Sunderland plant, but with the decline in Diesel sales (and vehicle sales in general), they've decided to scrap the idea"
Yes abit. although it is still true of what could happen with the car industry in general with the high tariffs that will come. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"although it is still true of what could happen with the car industry in general with the high tariffs that will come."
What high tariffs? Tariffs can be set at 0% too... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"although it is still true of what could happen with the car industry in general with the high tariffs that will come.
What high tariffs? Tariffs can be set at 0% too... "
That is right, but it will be some as they are leaving the eu. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"although it is still true of what could happen with the car industry in general with the high tariffs that will come.
What high tariffs? Tariffs can be set at 0% too... That is right, but it will be some as they are leaving the eu."
Thing is there doesnt need to be any tarrif, it has nothing to do with bing in or out of the EU, its a sepperate thing that the UK government will set but blame brexit for, same as they have been blaming the EU for legislation they set following guidelines from the EU for the last 40 years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The whole country will cease to operate after Brexit. No electricity, no bread, no condoms. Withdraw all your money and stash it under your mattress.
Why? It's already in the wardrobe... Will there be export tarrifs imposed on cash in wardrobes.. wouldn't be surprised with TM the PM, "
I've changed all my cash into dollars. They're not right keen at Asda but they take it anyway. They always give my change in Scottish notes though and that pisses me right off. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Fuck Em!!
Bring back British Leyland
Said with tongue firmly in cheek before you start...  "
I'm sure Brexit provides the perfect opportunity to restart production of the Allegro, Marina/Ital and the Maxi. Who needs these new fangled foreign cars, when we could have the very best of Britsh engineering back on our roads in no time. |
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By *andm288Couple
over a year ago
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"Maybe if the OP addressed the real problems with worldwide car production instead of coming out with a misleading thread title and the usual Brexit hysteria, he would have more credibility.
Diesel cars, especially large diesel cars, are simply not wanted anymore. And these big SUVs are not as popular as they were. No one wants them.
The Nissan X-trail, that uses the Renault diesel engine, was going to be built at Sunderland. However, this diesel engine has had problems meeting the current emmissions regulations, and these regulations are about to get even more stringent. So much so, many EU countries would heavily penalise such a vehicle.
There is a petrol variant, and this uses engines built in Japan. The cost implications of moving these engines to Sunderland, means it's just more cost effective to build this model in Japan.
There are no current plans to halt any production in Sunderland, and the plant continues to build some 2000 vehicles a week."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The whole country will cease to operate after Brexit. No electricity, no bread, no condoms. Withdraw all your money and stash it under your mattress.
Why? It's already in the wardrobe... Will there be export tarrifs imposed on cash in wardrobes.. wouldn't be surprised with TM the PM,
I've changed all my cash into dollars. They're not right keen at Asda but they take it anyway. They always give my change in Scottish notes though and that pisses me right off. "
I make a point of using Ulster Bank, Bank of Ireland and Danske Bank notes whenever I'm in England. "Sorry we don't take Irish Money"
Irish money is Euro's...
If you get palmed off with a Northern Irish Fiver, it could be mine |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The whole country will cease to operate after Brexit. No electricity, no bread, no condoms. Withdraw all your money and stash it under your mattress.
Why? It's already in the wardrobe... Will there be export tarrifs imposed on cash in wardrobes.. wouldn't be surprised with TM the PM,
I've changed all my cash into dollars. They're not right keen at Asda but they take it anyway. They always give my change in Scottish notes though and that pisses me right off. "
Excellent plan, though I am not trusting them dollars, looking at the other potential shortages I am going to exchange all my £ into condoms and insist that Asda respects the rising value of my new currency when the shortage comes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ford shifted production of the Transit to Turkey in 2013. Why? Because they were given a grant by the EU to do so. At the time it was the only vehicle the company still built here, so don't give me all this rubbish about how much better off our car industry will be if we stay in the EU |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ford shifted production of the Transit to Turkey in 2013. Why? Because they were given a grant by the EU to do so. At the time it was the only vehicle the company still built here, so don't give me all this rubbish about how much better off our car industry will be if we stay in the EU"
That is actually fake news, in 2012 Ford borrowed money from an EU bank to build a factory outside the EU in Turkey, there was no EU grant. But it isn't relevant really, just shows that globalised businesses will move to cheaper labour whenever possible, and governments don't have the power to stop them.
We lose more businesses in this country because of planning permission failures than taxation levels or import tariffs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The demise of the big diesel is not because of the lack of popularity.
They are being punished out of the market. I live out in the sticks. My 4x4 is not a status symbol. Electrickery based alternatives are not at a viable or practical stage just yet to suit my needs. I don't have access to public transport, can't shift logs in a taxi.
Whilst the environmental impact on owning a diesel is something I hate, there isn't sufficient green energy round my area to go all electric. Wind and solar aren't as widespread so either I use diesel or coal fired electricity.
The whole story has nothing to do with Brexit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can certainly seperate the remoaners from the brexiteers on this thread...."
To be honest, I no longer give a shit about staying in or getting out of the EU, just sick of the ineptitude of British government. Not just TM, but all of it  |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"The demise of the big diesel is not because of the lack of popularity.
They are being punished out of the market. I live out in the sticks. My 4x4 is not a status symbol. Electrickery based alternatives are not at a viable or practical stage just yet to suit my needs. I don't have access to public transport, can't shift logs in a taxi.
Whilst the environmental impact on owning a diesel is something I hate, there isn't sufficient green energy round my area to go all electric. Wind and solar aren't as widespread so either I use diesel or coal fired electricity.
The whole story has nothing to do with Brexit."
My Ford Focus diesel estate is so clean, it has zero road tax!
Fantastic car, does exactly what you want a diesel to do. And clean with it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This is just anougher brexit scare. Nissan backed the brexit decision. It said nothing will change in britain. But that statment was to do with brexit. This decision is due to the goverment scaring about diesel cars. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The demise of the big diesel is not because of the lack of popularity.
They are being punished out of the market. I live out in the sticks. My 4x4 is not a status symbol. Electrickery based alternatives are not at a viable or practical stage just yet to suit my needs. I don't have access to public transport, can't shift logs in a taxi.
Whilst the environmental impact on owning a diesel is something I hate, there isn't sufficient green energy round my area to go all electric. Wind and solar aren't as widespread so either I use diesel or coal fired electricity.
The whole story has nothing to do with Brexit.
My Ford Focus diesel estate is so clean, it has zero road tax!
Fantastic car, does exactly what you want a diesel to do. And clean with it."
In 2038 the British government will spend 2 years negotiation a 2 year extension to the 2040 deadline to allow me electric cars to be created |
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Car industry is gone, so is Banking.
I'm in Dublin now, and British banks are buying up whole tower blocks to move into. The money they are chucking around in Dublin is crazy, we actually ran out of office space. Its not just Ireland they are buying up offices in germany and france.
Why would you continue to make your EU model cars in a country not in the EU.
I just want to be clear, pro EU people caused this, not pro brexit people.
The backstop was made to comply with the good friday agreement. It was to allow Northern Ireland remain aligned in customs to Ireland but be ruled by the UK, a compromise that complies with the good friday agreement.
Pro EU people moved to have the whole of the UK moved onto the backstop, not pro brexit people. This move was seen for what it was, a cynical ploy to keep the UK inside the EU for an indefinite period. As a result they have thrown a peace threaty into chaos, and are forcing a no deal on the UK.
No deal is going to hurt everyone, but UK interests are going to move to try and save the EU from being hurt more. UK banks have two options. Try save the EU from being hurt and keep their presence big, or allow the EU to be hurt and have their presence wiped out.
Losing their EU presence would wipe them out as global players.
The thing is most british companies are going to hurt the UK more, but believe its what the UK wants, all the EU sections moved out of the UK to the EU. They see it as complying with what the UK voted for, its the flip side of moving UK parts out of the EU, you have to move the EU parts into the EU. Its what brexit means. |
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By *oul BrothaMan
over a year ago
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A majority of people in Sunderland vote leave to prevent foreigners from stealing their jobs, ironically causing a series of events which sees those very same foreigners steal their jobs.
On the plus side, there'll be lots of seasonal fruit picking jobs which will become available
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A majority of people in Sunderland vote leave to prevent foreigners from stealing their jobs, ironically causing a series of events which sees those very same foreigners steal their jobs.
On the plus side, there'll be lots of seasonal fruit picking jobs which will become available
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They don't have fruit in Sunderland, and they only have 2 seasons, cold and windy, and colder and windy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"although it is still true of what could happen with the car industry in general with the high tariffs that will come.
What high tariffs? Tariffs can be set at 0% too... That is right, but it will be some as they are leaving the eu."
All this tarrif nonsense and we won't have this anymore and we won't have that anymore is bollocks. If trading partners have systems in place that are mutually beneficial, why would you seek to change them? It is only the self serving agendas and sheer malice of politicians on both sides that is fucking things up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"although it is still true of what could happen with the car industry in general with the high tariffs that will come.
What high tariffs? Tariffs can be set at 0% too... "
And then have to be set at zero for the rest of the world. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nothing to do with brexit at all and most things are made abroad because it’s cheaper, they will work for peanuts and sweatshops instead of paying a decent wage over here it’s more profit for the company. Brexit will save us god knows how much each year if we stop sending it abroad for pointless reasons and spend it on things that matter here like the nhs, police ambulance services and the homeless and put the money back in! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well if they pull out we can hit them with a 30% import tax on every vehicle they import.
That will make it not viable to sell cars here then job losses else where in Europe.
We got Europe out of the doo doo twice and look how they treating us I say good riddance.
They want all them billions for us to leave yet we own a share of all European parliament buildings valued at a lot more so should we demand the value of that to be paid to us I can't see that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nothing to do with brexit at all and most things are made abroad because it’s cheaper, they will work for peanuts and sweatshops instead of paying a decent wage over here it’s more profit for the company. Brexit will save us god knows how much each year if we stop sending it abroad for pointless reasons and spend it on things that matter here like the nhs, police ambulance services and the homeless and put the money back in! "
Surely you don't still believe all the lies you were told during the referendum campaign do you?
The NHS will get nothing, other than being broken up and sold off to the highest bidder. I know it's absolutely pointless saying any more, as you only believe what you want to believe, bullshit or otherwise.
It's certainly going to be a long sharp shock for some folk. That's for sure. |
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"Can certainly seperate the remoaners from the brexiteers on this thread....I can see that too. I am a remainer "
Shag,I think thats obvious to all after claiming;Nissan stops production at Sunderland.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Can certainly seperate the remoaners from the brexiteers on this thread....I can see that too. I am a remainer
Shag,I think thats obvious to all after claiming;Nissan stops production at Sunderland.."
Not at all. I just worded the title abit wrong. |
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"It comes after a chilling brexit message that they will continue with the new car in japan as there will be high tariffs when britain leave and uncertainly, because many parts comes from within the eu, 1000s of jobs are at risk, whats your view, how will the future look for the car manufacturing industry? "
That won't happen BMW, Audi/VW and Mercedes will make sure there are no tariffs either way as they are terrified it will cripple their sales in the UK. |
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"It comes after a chilling brexit message that they will continue with the new car in japan as there will be high tariffs when britain leave and uncertainly, because many parts comes from within the eu, 1000s of jobs are at risk, whats your view, how will the future look for the car manufacturing industry?
That won't happen BMW, Audi/VW and Mercedes will make sure there are no tariffs either way as they are terrified it will cripple their sales in the UK."
Don’t forget the French farmers and car manufacturers. |
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By *m3232Man
over a year ago
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"The demise of the big diesel is not because of the lack of popularity.
They are being punished out of the market. I live out in the sticks. My 4x4 is not a status symbol. Electrickery based alternatives are not at a viable or practical stage just yet to suit my needs. I don't have access to public transport, can't shift logs in a taxi.
Whilst the environmental impact on owning a diesel is something I hate, there isn't sufficient green energy round my area to go all electric. Wind and solar aren't as widespread so either I use diesel or coal fired electricity.
The whole story has nothing to do with Brexit.
My Ford Focus diesel estate is so clean, it has zero road tax!
Fantastic car, does exactly what you want a diesel to do. And clean with it."
No diesel is clean you would have said the same about a vw a few years ago lol.
It’s the fuel of the devil nothing more nothing less. |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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"It comes after a chilling brexit message that they will continue with the new car in japan as there will be high tariffs when britain leave and uncertainly, because many parts comes from within the eu, 1000s of jobs are at risk, whats your view, how will the future look for the car manufacturing industry? "
Project fear alive and well on Fab. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It comes after a chilling brexit message that they will continue with the new car in japan as there will be high tariffs when britain leave and uncertainly, because many parts comes from within the eu, 1000s of jobs are at risk, whats your view, how will the future look for the car manufacturing industry?
Project fear alive and well on Fab."
It's easy to say that old chestnut.
Prove it then?
The CEO,that's the bloke in charge!!!! He said brexit is playing a big part. Touche xxx |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It comes after a chilling brexit message that they will continue with the new car in japan as there will be high tariffs when britain leave and uncertainly, because many parts comes from within the eu, 1000s of jobs are at risk, whats your view, how will the future look for the car manufacturing industry?
Project fear alive and well on Fab.
It's easy to say that old chestnut.
Prove it then?
The CEO,that's the bloke in charge!!!! He said brexit is playing a big part. Touche xxx"
That is right he did say that |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Of course there is some relation to brexit.
Nissan opened their Sunderland plant in 1986 because it got them around EU import quotas - i.e. They could only import so many vehicles a year - unless they manufactured within the EU.
The EU, however, have now struck a free trade deal with Japan which comes into force this year, with tarrifs on imports falling year on year to zero over the next ten years. |
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By *m3232Man
over a year ago
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"It comes after a chilling brexit message that they will continue with the new car in japan as there will be high tariffs when britain leave and uncertainly, because many parts comes from within the eu, 1000s of jobs are at risk, whats your view, how will the future look for the car manufacturing industry?
Project fear alive and well on Fab.
It's easy to say that old chestnut.
Prove it then?
The CEO,that's the bloke in charge!!!! He said brexit is playing a big part. Touche xxxThat is right he did say that "
He would have been a remaner lol so he would always blame it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's all exaggerated by projectfear. Nissan are not going to be making deisels anywhere in Europe. In fact they are unlikely to be building anymore after 2021, as i understand. The engines they get from Renault will not meeting emissions standards. The cost no longer makes it viable as well as a declining share of the market due to other competitors. So the Brexit blame is greatly exaggerated. There are in fact other more pressing reasons to there decision. As for the industry in general. Well, it's been in freefall for years in the UK. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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That won't happen BMW, Audi/VW and Mercedes will make sure there are no tariffs either way as they are terrified it will cripple their sales in the UK."
Lolol I love this idea that businesses will decide the politics. It didn't happen in 2016 and it still doesn't happen in 2019. Look no further than the lunatic fringe of the Conservative Party to see who is shaping the politics. It certainly isn't business.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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its pretty much guaranreed eu need us morethan we need them
all the fruit n veg in supermarkets , look where it comes from
cars
the list is endless.
so if brexit stops us buying from abroad , who' going to lose,
us ?
supermarkets?
or will we grow our own veg and make our own cars again..
plenty of countries not in the eu cope
we will cope easy peasy
maybe a stormy sea to start but will end up a smooth lake so to speak  |
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"They have work for the next 18 months but after that who knows"
Nissan know as they've committed to building the new version of the Quashqai in Sunderland and will continue to build the Juke and the Leaf there too. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"its pretty much guaranreed eu need us morethan we need them
all the fruit n veg in supermarkets , look where it comes from
cars
the list is endless.
so if brexit stops us buying from abroad , who' going to lose,
us ?
supermarkets?
or will we grow our own veg and make our own cars again..
plenty of countries not in the eu cope
we will cope easy peasy
maybe a stormy sea to start but will end up a smooth lake so to speak "
As much as I'd like us to be self sufficient in food, we haven't been since the late 19th century.
This is why the merchant convoys were so important in both world wars. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It comes after a chilling brexit message that they will continue with the new car in japan as there will be high tariffs when britain leave and uncertainly, because many parts comes from within the eu, 1000s of jobs are at risk, whats your view, how will the future look for the car manufacturing industry?
Project fear alive and well on Fab.
It's easy to say that old chestnut.
Prove it then?
The CEO,that's the bloke in charge!!!! He said brexit is playing a big part. Touche xxx"
Uncertainty over Brexit. Not Brexit.
We are pissing about trying not to leave instead of being clear about leaving and working out what happens next.
If we had spent the last 2 years getting our shit in order rather than trying to stay partly in, the future of how we (outside of the EU) trade with Japan (outside of the EU) and they could export Diesels to Countries outside the EU?
There are 195 countries in the world, 27 of them in the EU. Even if you write off the Third World:
Below are the 15 countries that imported the highest dollar value worth of cars during 2017:
United States: US$179.6 billion (23.9% of total imported cars)
Germany: $58.5 billion (7.8%)
China: $49.9 billion (6.6%)
United Kingdom: $44.1 billion (5.9%)
Belgium: $36.4 billion (4.8%)
France: $34.7 billion (4.6%)
Italy: $31.2 billion (4.1%)
Canada: $28.7 billion (3.8%)
Spain: $20.2 billion (2.7%)
Australia: $17.5 billion (2.3%)
Netherlands: $12.8 billion (1.7%)
Mexico: $11.5 billion (1.5%)
Japan: $11.1 billion (1.5%)
Switzerland: $10.5 billion (1.4%)
Austria: $10.1 billion (1.3%)
The listed 15 countries purchased almost three-quarters (74%) of all cars imported during 2017. |
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A big part of the reason Nissan a pull in the X Trail from Newcastle is poor sales mainly driven around extremely poor reliability around the world brexit may have been a factor but it wasn't the real reason for reducing nissan's influence in Europe it was more to do with Nissan losing sales as the same as Range Rover losing sales because their product is not that good. |
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Lads I wouldn't be worried about the Nissan x trail. Its only a small niche in the car market.
I'd be far more worried about what Toyota are saying when your wonderful government crash out with a no deal brexit.
Google it rather than have me tell you because of course you guys are British and you what's best for Britain.
But in summary. They have no plan for no deal brexit. If there is no deal they simply stop building Toyota in Britain.
Its a lot closer to British Leyland than you think... |
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I'm reveling in the news of leave voters losing their jobs.
After all they knew the result of voting leave but they still went for it.
You won get over it!
Maybe a blue passport is more important than a job
Reading how leavers are so reluctant to acknowledge that everyone is going to worse off does boggle my mind.
If we come out of this better off I will hold my hands up and say sorry.
I doubt leavers will be so quick to admit they got it wrong
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"I'm reveling in the news of leave voters losing their jobs.
After all they knew the result of voting leave but they still went for it.
You won get over it!
Maybe a blue passport is more important than a job
Reading how leavers are so reluctant to acknowledge that everyone is going to worse off does boggle my mind.
If we come out of this better off I will hold my hands up and say sorry.
I doubt leavers will be so quick to admit they got it wrong
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Pretty much this with bells on... |
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"I'm reveling in the news of leave voters losing their jobs.
After all they knew the result of voting leave but they still went for it.
You won get over it!
Maybe a blue passport is more important than a job
Reading how leavers are so reluctant to acknowledge that everyone is going to worse off does boggle my mind.
If we come out of this better off I will hold my hands up and say sorry.
I doubt leavers will be so quick to admit they got it wrong
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Who is losing their job at Nissan? No job losses have been announced in Sunderland. |
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"although it is still true of what could happen with the car industry in general with the high tariffs that will come.
What high tariffs? Tariffs can be set at 0% too... That is right, but it will be some as they are leaving the eu."
Last time i checked japan wasn't in the eu either |
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"Maybe if the OP addressed the real problems with worldwide car production instead of coming out with a misleading thread title and the usual Brexit hysteria, he would have more credibility.
Diesel cars, especially large diesel cars, are simply not wanted anymore. And these big SUVs are not as popular as they were. No one wants them.
The Nissan X-trail, that uses the Renault diesel engine, was going to be built at Sunderland. However, this diesel engine has had problems meeting the current emmissions regulations, and these regulations are about to get even more stringent. So much so, many EU countries would heavily penalise such a vehicle.
There is a petrol variant, and this uses engines built in Japan. The cost implications of moving these engines to Sunderland, means it's just more cost effective to build this model in Japan.
There are no current plans to halt any production in Sunderland, and the plant continues to build some 2000 vehicles a week."
This is exactly the reason why, it was only the diesel model that was going to be built in sunderland and current government policy had killed demand for diesel engines. Therefore they are making the petrol and possible hybrid variant in Japan.
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"I'm reveling in the news of leave voters losing their jobs.
After all they knew the result of voting leave but they still went for it.
You won get over it!
Maybe a blue passport is more important than a job
Reading how leavers are so reluctant to acknowledge that everyone is going to worse off does boggle my mind.
If we come out of this better off I will hold my hands up and say sorry.
I doubt leavers will be so quick to admit they got it wrong
Who is losing their job at Nissan? No job losses have been announced in Sunderland. "
Nissan won't keep people for the sake of it when sales fall.
First a 3 day week.then jobs
All "project fear" eh?
The will of half the people of the UK
Sod the other half who don't want this |
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"I'm reveling in the news of leave voters losing their jobs.
After all they knew the result of voting leave but they still went for it.
You won get over it!
Maybe a blue passport is more important than a job
Reading how leavers are so reluctant to acknowledge that everyone is going to worse off does boggle my mind.
If we come out of this better off I will hold my hands up and say sorry.
I doubt leavers will be so quick to admit they got it wrong
Who is losing their job at Nissan? No job losses have been announced in Sunderland.
Nissan won't keep people for the sake of it when sales fall.
First a 3 day week.then jobs
All "project fear" eh?
The will of half the people of the UK
Sod the other half who don't want this "
The will of just over a quarter of the population.
60 million in the Uk
& only 17 want to F*ck it over . |
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Even iof we leave with no deal we would then negotiate a deal with the EU so although the short term may not be good the long term is fine as both sides want a free trade deal.
Nissan is staying open with no redundancies so all ill be good in time |
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over a year ago
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"Even iof we leave with no deal we would then negotiate a deal with the EU so although the short term may not be good the long term is fine as both sides want a free trade deal.
Nissan is staying open with no redundancies so all ill be good in time"
"Hello, Mr Juncker, I want to talk about free trade."
"But you had free trade Mrs May, and your parliament said no to it"
"I know, I know . . . but let's talk about free trade."
"Is the cheque in the post?"
"Hello, Mrs May . . . are you still on the line?"
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"Even iof we leave with no deal we would then negotiate a deal with the EU so although the short term may not be good the long term is fine as both sides want a free trade deal.
Nissan is staying open with no redundancies so all ill be good in time
"Hello, Mr Juncker, I want to talk about free trade."
"But you had free trade Mrs May, and your parliament said no to it"
"I know, I know . . . but let's talk about free trade."
"Is the cheque in the post?"
"Hello, Mrs May . . . are you still on the line?"
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Exactly
We currently have the best trade deal we could ever hope for.
Who the fuck would vote to end that and start new ones which will be no where near as good
A little island with fuck all to offer. Who over the last 2 years have shown are unable to organise anything.
We are up the creek |
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"Even iof we leave with no deal we would then negotiate a deal with the EU so although the short term may not be good the long term is fine as both sides want a free trade deal.
Nissan is staying open with no redundancies so all ill be good in time
"Hello, Mr Juncker, I want to talk about free trade."
"But you had free trade Mrs May, and your parliament said no to it"
"I know, I know . . . but let's talk about free trade."
"Is the cheque in the post?"
"Hello, Mrs May . . . are you still on the line?"
Exactly
We currently have the best trade deal we could ever hope for.
Who the fuck would vote to end that and start new ones which will be no where near as good
A little island with fuck all to offer. Who over the last 2 years have shown are unable to organise anything.
We are up the creek "
That’s unfair.
We’ve shown we could organise the deck chairs in the titanic... |
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"That’s unfair.
We’ve shown we could organise the deck chairs in the titanic..."
Well not really, we have spent all day asking if we could put them out tomorrow as we haven't had time to today on the grounds of spending the day asking about tomorrow...
Tomorrow we may have other questions e.g. What is a deck chair? Where do they go? Where are they? Though we may need to negotiate time to ask those  |
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"It’s basically got nothing to do with Brexit
They won’t be making the x trail in the UK
as sales are falling in this model & diesel cars alike
So nothing to do with Brexit what so ever "
So the fact that Nissan said that Brexit uncertainty was a problem is tosh is it? |
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"It comes after a chilling brexit message that they will continue with the new car in japan as there will be high tariffs when britain leave and uncertainly, because many parts comes from within the eu, 1000s of jobs are at risk, whats your view, how will the future look for the car manufacturing industry?
Project fear alive and well on Fab.
It's easy to say that old chestnut.
Prove it then?
The CEO,that's the bloke in charge!!!! He said brexit is playing a big part. Touche xxx
Uncertainty over Brexit. Not Brexit.
We are pissing about trying not to leave instead of being clear about leaving and working out what happens next.
If we had spent the last 2 years getting our shit in order rather than trying to stay partly in, the future of how we (outside of the EU) trade with Japan (outside of the EU) and they could export Diesels to Countries outside the EU?
There are 195 countries in the world, 27 of them in the EU. Even if you write off the Third World:
Below are the 15 countries that imported the highest dollar value worth of cars during 2017:
United States: US$179.6 billion (23.9% of total imported cars)
Germany: $58.5 billion (7.8%)
China: $49.9 billion (6.6%)
United Kingdom: $44.1 billion (5.9%)
Belgium: $36.4 billion (4.8%)
France: $34.7 billion (4.6%)
Italy: $31.2 billion (4.1%)
Canada: $28.7 billion (3.8%)
Spain: $20.2 billion (2.7%)
Australia: $17.5 billion (2.3%)
Netherlands: $12.8 billion (1.7%)
Mexico: $11.5 billion (1.5%)
Japan: $11.1 billion (1.5%)
Switzerland: $10.5 billion (1.4%)
Austria: $10.1 billion (1.3%)
The listed 15 countries purchased almost three-quarters (74%) of all cars imported during 2017."
So uncertainty over brexit is nothing to do with brexit? You couldnt make this nonsense up. Wtf is the difference? It's semantics |
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over a year ago
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"It’s basically got nothing to do with Brexit
They won’t be making the x trail in the UK
as sales are falling in this model & diesel cars alike
So nothing to do with Brexit what so ever
So the fact that Nissan said that Brexit uncertainty was a problem is tosh is it? "
Its a factor but not THE factor. I've detailed many reasons on the various Nissan threads but no one has answered why Nissan haven't switched X-trail production to one of their other European production facilities, or indeed to a Renault facility. |
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"It’s basically got nothing to do with Brexit
They won’t be making the x trail in the UK
as sales are falling in this model & diesel cars alike
So nothing to do with Brexit what so ever
So the fact that Nissan said that Brexit uncertainty was a problem is tosh is it?
Its a factor but not THE factor. I've detailed many reasons on the various Nissan threads but no one has answered why Nissan haven't switched X-trail production to one of their other European production facilities, or indeed to a Renault facility."
If tarrifs are the main concern then moving out of the Uk is priority number one.
The FTA means it is not a factor between France and Japan.
So then it becomes a matter of trading other factors eg cost of transportation versus cost of investing versus I don’t know what.
Now I agree there are a number of factors. But I don’t see how your question shows where brexit is on the list.
My question has been what changed with diesel between 2016 and now Whixh was not at least being talked about in 2016. Because the falling demand in diesel and increased regulation isn’t new. Even if some of the directives only came in force last year, theyve been in the pipeline for years (or are we suddenly saying the EU can pull policy strategy AND decisions out the hat in eighteen months?)
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"It comes after a chilling brexit message that they will continue with the new car in japan as there will be high tariffs when britain leave and uncertainly, because many parts comes from within the eu, 1000s of jobs are at risk, whats your view, how will the future look for the car manufacturing industry?
Project fear alive and well on Fab.
It's easy to say that old chestnut.
Prove it then?
The CEO,that's the bloke in charge!!!! He said brexit is playing a big part. Touche xxx
Uncertainty over Brexit. Not Brexit.
We are pissing about trying not to leave instead of being clear about leaving and working out what happens next.
If we had spent the last 2 years getting our shit in order rather than trying to stay partly in, the future of how we (outside of the EU) trade with Japan (outside of the EU) and they could export Diesels to Countries outside the EU?
There are 195 countries in the world, 27 of them in the EU. Even if you write off the Third World:
Below are the 15 countries that imported the highest dollar value worth of cars during 2017:
United States: US$179.6 billion (23.9% of total imported cars)
Germany: $58.5 billion (7.8%)
China: $49.9 billion (6.6%)
United Kingdom: $44.1 billion (5.9%)
Belgium: $36.4 billion (4.8%)
France: $34.7 billion (4.6%)
Italy: $31.2 billion (4.1%)
Canada: $28.7 billion (3.8%)
Spain: $20.2 billion (2.7%)
Australia: $17.5 billion (2.3%)
Netherlands: $12.8 billion (1.7%)
Mexico: $11.5 billion (1.5%)
Japan: $11.1 billion (1.5%)
Switzerland: $10.5 billion (1.4%)
Austria: $10.1 billion (1.3%)
The listed 15 countries purchased almost three-quarters (74%) of all cars imported during 2017.
So uncertainty over brexit is nothing to do with brexit? You couldnt make this nonsense up. Wtf is the difference? It's semantics"
It is the same semantics that keep on getting trotted out.
The vote was a simple stay or leave.
Every Brexit story on the news mentions "uncertainty". Even at this stage we don't know if we are going to be completely out or half in.
I can guarantee that even today there will be a story that blames uncertainty. I can't recall a story that says a firm is pulling out of the UK because we are leaving on WTO terms.
Like I said, if we were busy stating we will be out with no deal and this is how it will look, non EU based companies can then make a choice. At the moment we are out / half out /delaying getting out / having a peoples vote / not got a clue. |
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Lots of the wto countries are going to veto us they have said.
We are now what we look like on a map. A very small country with no clout
Great isn't a word we will be able to describe ourselves as |
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"It comes after a chilling brexit message that they will continue with the new car in japan as there will be high tariffs when britain leave and uncertainly, because many parts comes from within the eu, 1000s of jobs are at risk, whats your view, how will the future look for the car manufacturing industry?
Project fear alive and well on Fab.
It's easy to say that old chestnut.
Prove it then?
The CEO,that's the bloke in charge!!!! He said brexit is playing a big part. Touche xxx
Uncertainty over Brexit. Not Brexit.
We are pissing about trying not to leave instead of being clear about leaving and working out what happens next.
If we had spent the last 2 years getting our shit in order rather than trying to stay partly in, the future of how we (outside of the EU) trade with Japan (outside of the EU) and they could export Diesels to Countries outside the EU?
There are 195 countries in the world, 27 of them in the EU. Even if you write off the Third World:
Below are the 15 countries that imported the highest dollar value worth of cars during 2017:
United States: US$179.6 billion (23.9% of total imported cars)
Germany: $58.5 billion (7.8%)
China: $49.9 billion (6.6%)
United Kingdom: $44.1 billion (5.9%)
Belgium: $36.4 billion (4.8%)
France: $34.7 billion (4.6%)
Italy: $31.2 billion (4.1%)
Canada: $28.7 billion (3.8%)
Spain: $20.2 billion (2.7%)
Australia: $17.5 billion (2.3%)
Netherlands: $12.8 billion (1.7%)
Mexico: $11.5 billion (1.5%)
Japan: $11.1 billion (1.5%)
Switzerland: $10.5 billion (1.4%)
Austria: $10.1 billion (1.3%)
The listed 15 countries purchased almost three-quarters (74%) of all cars imported during 2017.
So uncertainty over brexit is nothing to do with brexit? You couldnt make this nonsense up. Wtf is the difference? It's semantics
It is the same semantics that keep on getting trotted out.
The vote was a simple stay or leave.
Every Brexit story on the news mentions "uncertainty". Even at this stage we don't know if we are going to be completely out or half in.
I can guarantee that even today there will be a story that blames uncertainty. I can't recall a story that says a firm is pulling out of the UK because we are leaving on WTO terms.
Like I said, if we were busy stating we will be out with no deal and this is how it will look, non EU based companies can then make a choice. At the moment we are out / half out /delaying getting out / having a peoples vote / not got a clue."
“Business is all about uncertainity”. JRM, 2019
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Honda have also cut jobs blaming the poor sales of diesel cars. Thing is the government are proposing to ban fossil fuel cars, not just diesel.
As trucks will still be running on diesel that is more likely to be available decades after petrol becomes scarce.
Plus how many people who are in the habit of buying new cars from the factory are intending to drive them for 20 years?
I think diesel and brexit are both cover stories, truth is we are just not confident to spend money. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Lots of the wto countries are going to veto us they have said.
We are now what we look like on a map. A very small country with no clout
Great isn't a word we will be able to describe ourselves as "
Welcome to Little Britain |
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"Lots of the wto countries are going to veto us they have said.
We are now what we look like on a map. A very small country with no clout
Great isn't a word we will be able to describe ourselves as "
Sweden and Norway together on a map look like a giant floppy cock, and Italy on a map looks like a knackered old boot. If ever there were images to sum up the EU then take a look there. |
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"Lots of the wto countries are going to veto us they have said.
We are now what we look like on a map. A very small country with no clout
Great isn't a word we will be able to describe ourselves as
Sweden and Norway together on a map look like a giant floppy cock, and Italy on a map looks like a knackered old boot. If ever there were images to sum up the EU then take a look there. "
Norway isn’t in the Eu. |
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"Lots of the wto countries are going to veto us they have said.
We are now what we look like on a map. A very small country with no clout
Great isn't a word we will be able to describe ourselves as
Sweden and Norway together on a map look like a giant floppy cock, and Italy on a map looks like a knackered old boot. If ever there were images to sum up the EU then take a look there.
Norway isn’t in the Eu. "
But Norway is in the EU Single market. |
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"Lots of the wto countries are going to veto us they have said.
We are now what we look like on a map. A very small country with no clout
Great isn't a word we will be able to describe ourselves as
Welcome to Little Britain "
LOL, you would make a great character on Little Britain if they decide to make some new episodes! |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"It comes after a chilling brexit message that they will continue with the new car in japan as there will be high tariffs when britain leave and uncertainly, because many parts comes from within the eu, 1000s of jobs are at risk, whats your view, how will the future look for the car manufacturing industry?
Project fear alive and well on Fab.
It's easy to say that old chestnut.
Prove it then?
The CEO,that's the bloke in charge!!!! He said brexit is playing a big part. Touche xxx
Uncertainty over Brexit. Not Brexit.
We are pissing about trying not to leave instead of being clear about leaving and working out what happens next.
If we had spent the last 2 years getting our shit in order rather than trying to stay partly in, the future of how we (outside of the EU) trade with Japan (outside of the EU) and they could export Diesels to Countries outside the EU?
There are 195 countries in the world, 27 of them in the EU. Even if you write off the Third World:
Below are the 15 countries that imported the highest dollar value worth of cars during 2017:
United States: US$179.6 billion (23.9% of total imported cars)
Germany: $58.5 billion (7.8%)
China: $49.9 billion (6.6%)
United Kingdom: $44.1 billion (5.9%)
Belgium: $36.4 billion (4.8%)
France: $34.7 billion (4.6%)
Italy: $31.2 billion (4.1%)
Canada: $28.7 billion (3.8%)
Spain: $20.2 billion (2.7%)
Australia: $17.5 billion (2.3%)
Netherlands: $12.8 billion (1.7%)
Mexico: $11.5 billion (1.5%)
Japan: $11.1 billion (1.5%)
Switzerland: $10.5 billion (1.4%)
Austria: $10.1 billion (1.3%)
The listed 15 countries purchased almost three-quarters (74%) of all cars imported during 2017.
So uncertainty over brexit is nothing to do with brexit? You couldnt make this nonsense up. Wtf is the difference? It's semantics
It is the same semantics that keep on getting trotted out.
The vote was a simple stay or leave.
Every Brexit story on the news mentions "uncertainty". Even at this stage we don't know if we are going to be completely out or half in.
I can guarantee that even today there will be a story that blames uncertainty. I can't recall a story that says a firm is pulling out of the UK because we are leaving on WTO terms.
Like I said, if we were busy stating we will be out with no deal and this is how it will look, non EU based companies can then make a choice. At the moment we are out / half out /delaying getting out / having a peoples vote / not got a clue.
“Business is all about uncertainity”. JRM, 2019
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You've hit the nail on the head as far as right wing BREXIT goes, nationalism being used as a tool to create opportunities for the market gamblers.
Left wing BREXIT is not for the same reasons. |
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So Honda have announced they will stop UK car production in 2022.. That's 3500 jobs and 10% of UK car production.
Nissan Honda and Toyota produce 50% of UK built cars between them. That's an industry directly employing 190,000 people.
The EU recently agreed a zero tariff deal with Japan for the import and export of cars.
The UK Japan talks have "stalled" because? Well because frankly the Japanese couldn't be arsed doing single country trade deals.
Austin allegro anyone? Anyone? Anyone at all? |
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"So Honda have announced they will stop UK car production in 2022.. That's 3500 jobs and 10% of UK car production.
Nissan Honda and Toyota produce 50% of UK built cars between them. That's an industry directly employing 190,000 people.
The EU recently agreed a zero tariff deal with Japan for the import and export of cars.
The UK Japan talks have "stalled" because? Well because frankly the Japanese couldn't be arsed doing single country trade deals.
Austin allegro anyone? Anyone? Anyone at all? "
I did a thread on the new model Toyota Corolla which started production in Derbyshire in January 2019. I guess you missed that one though. |
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"So Honda have announced they will stop UK car production in 2022.. That's 3500 jobs and 10% of UK car production.
Nissan Honda and Toyota produce 50% of UK built cars between them. That's an industry directly employing 190,000 people.
The EU recently agreed a zero tariff deal with Japan for the import and export of cars.
The UK Japan talks have "stalled" because? Well because frankly the Japanese couldn't be arsed doing single country trade deals.
Austin allegro anyone? Anyone? Anyone at all?
I did a thread on the new model Toyota Corolla which started production in Derbyshire in January 2019. I guess you missed that one though. "
True I missed that though Toyota have said that they have no plan for a no deal brexit. That is none. Nada. Zilch. If there is no seamless supply of parts they stop building cars. They will fold up and walk away. So the corolla is been built on Teresa May assurance that there won't be interference. Maybe you forgot that?
A question. Honda built 160,000 cars last year in the UK of which 145,000 were exported to the EU. So the market in the UK is 15,000 cars.
Now if Honda build the cars in the EU they pay no tariffs and no issue with supply or standards.
So my puzzle is this.
How does Brexit improve things for Honda? Why build in the UK.
I'd like some help with that question please |
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"So Honda have announced they will stop UK car production in 2022.. That's 3500 jobs and 10% of UK car production.
Nissan Honda and Toyota produce 50% of UK built cars between them. That's an industry directly employing 190,000 people.
The EU recently agreed a zero tariff deal with Japan for the import and export of cars.
The UK Japan talks have "stalled" because? Well because frankly the Japanese couldn't be arsed doing single country trade deals.
Austin allegro anyone? Anyone? Anyone at all?
I did a thread on the new model Toyota Corolla which started production in Derbyshire in January 2019. I guess you missed that one though.
True I missed that though Toyota have said that they have no plan for a no deal brexit. That is none. Nada. Zilch. If there is no seamless supply of parts they stop building cars. They will fold up and walk away. So the corolla is been built on Teresa May assurance that there won't be interference. Maybe you forgot that?
A question. Honda built 160,000 cars last year in the UK of which 145,000 were exported to the EU. So the market in the UK is 15,000 cars.
Now if Honda build the cars in the EU they pay no tariffs and no issue with supply or standards.
So my puzzle is this.
How does Brexit improve things for Honda? Why build in the UK.
I'd like some help with that question please "
Your question may hold more merit if Honda were moving production from the UK to the EU but they're not. They're moving production back to Japan. The truth is the new Japan/EU trade deal means Japanese companies like Honda no longer need any production facilities in Europe. |
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"So Honda have announced they will stop UK car production in 2022.. That's 3500 jobs and 10% of UK car production.
Nissan Honda and Toyota produce 50% of UK built cars between them. That's an industry directly employing 190,000 people.
The EU recently agreed a zero tariff deal with Japan for the import and export of cars.
The UK Japan talks have "stalled" because? Well because frankly the Japanese couldn't be arsed doing single country trade deals.
Austin allegro anyone? Anyone? Anyone at all?
I did a thread on the new model Toyota Corolla which started production in Derbyshire in January 2019. I guess you missed that one though. "
How long do you reckon that production will continue in Derby with a No Deal? Even your hero Mitford has admitted that one of the consequences of a WTO Brexit is the disappearance of manufacturing. |
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What we need is for some of our best business brains to come together and work out a way to reboot our car industry and get people to invest in a British car, built here in Britain.
I do understand that we have had our ups and downs with the industry in the past. But we will be overloaded with highly skilled, out of work car plant operatives.
A little vision, imagination, and yes, a great deal of faith and forward thinking will be required.
Let’s have brand new and up to date big Rovers, Metros and Moggie Thous! |
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"So Honda have announced they will stop UK car production in 2022.. That's 3500 jobs and 10% of UK car production.
Nissan Honda and Toyota produce 50% of UK built cars between them. That's an industry directly employing 190,000 people.
The EU recently agreed a zero tariff deal with Japan for the import and export of cars.
The UK Japan talks have "stalled" because? Well because frankly the Japanese couldn't be arsed doing single country trade deals.
Austin allegro anyone? Anyone? Anyone at all?
I did a thread on the new model Toyota Corolla which started production in Derbyshire in January 2019. I guess you missed that one though.
True I missed that though Toyota have said that they have no plan for a no deal brexit. That is none. Nada. Zilch. If there is no seamless supply of parts they stop building cars. They will fold up and walk away. So the corolla is been built on Teresa May assurance that there won't be interference. Maybe you forgot that?
A question. Honda built 160,000 cars last year in the UK of which 145,000 were exported to the EU. So the market in the UK is 15,000 cars.
Now if Honda build the cars in the EU they pay no tariffs and no issue with supply or standards.
So my puzzle is this.
How does Brexit improve things for Honda? Why build in the UK.
I'd like some help with that question please
Your question may hold more merit if Honda were moving production from the UK to the EU but they're not. They're moving production back to Japan. The truth is the new Japan/EU trade deal means Japanese companies like Honda no longer need any production facilities in Europe."
If Honda's car plant was in say Germany you could bet your life they would not be moving production back to Japan. There would be no economic reason to do so if their investment was remaining within the EU but now their investment is getting dragged out of the EU's economic area it makes sense to move home.
Anyone can see that, just some want to be "fact blind" about the issue. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"It comes after a chilling brexit message that they will continue with the new car in japan as there will be high tariffs when britain leave and uncertainly, because many parts comes from within the eu, 1000s of jobs are at risk, whats your view, how will the future look for the car manufacturing industry?
Project fear alive and well on Fab.
It's easy to say that old chestnut.
Prove it then?
The CEO,that's the bloke in charge!!!! He said brexit is playing a big part. Touche xxx
Uncertainty over Brexit. Not Brexit.
We are pissing about trying not to leave instead of being clear about leaving and working out what happens next.
If we had spent the last 2 years getting our shit in order rather than trying to stay partly in, the future of how we (outside of the EU) trade with Japan (outside of the EU) and they could export Diesels to Countries outside the EU?
There are 195 countries in the world, 27 of them in the EU. Even if you write off the Third World:
Below are the 15 countries that imported the highest dollar value worth of cars during 2017:
United States: US$179.6 billion (23.9% of total imported cars)
Germany: $58.5 billion (7.8%)
China: $49.9 billion (6.6%)
United Kingdom: $44.1 billion (5.9%)
Belgium: $36.4 billion (4.8%)
France: $34.7 billion (4.6%)
Italy: $31.2 billion (4.1%)
Canada: $28.7 billion (3.8%)
Spain: $20.2 billion (2.7%)
Australia: $17.5 billion (2.3%)
Netherlands: $12.8 billion (1.7%)
Mexico: $11.5 billion (1.5%)
Japan: $11.1 billion (1.5%)
Switzerland: $10.5 billion (1.4%)
Austria: $10.1 billion (1.3%)
The listed 15 countries purchased almost three-quarters (74%) of all cars imported during 2017."
Of these countries we have a full trade deal with all but two and even with those two we have hundreds of single industry agreements. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"What we need is for some of our best business brains to come together and work out a way to reboot our car industry and get people to invest in a British car, built here in Britain.
I do understand that we have had our ups and downs with the industry in the past. But we will be overloaded with highly skilled, out of work car plant operatives.
A little vision, imagination, and yes, a great deal of faith and forward thinking will be required.
Let’s have brand new and up to date big Rovers, Metros and Moggie Thous! "
Jaguar Land rover exists. They have just written off over £enhance are laying off over 5000 staff.
Dyson are seeing up a beans new company and manufacturering in Singapore who has a trade deal with China ans...the EU. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"So Honda have announced they will stop UK car production in 2022.. That's 3500 jobs and 10% of UK car production.
Nissan Honda and Toyota produce 50% of UK built cars between them. That's an industry directly employing 190,000 people.
The EU recently agreed a zero tariff deal with Japan for the import and export of cars.
The UK Japan talks have "stalled" because? Well because frankly the Japanese couldn't be arsed doing single country trade deals.
Austin allegro anyone? Anyone? Anyone at all?
I did a thread on the new model Toyota Corolla which started production in Derbyshire in January 2019. I guess you missed that one though. "
Toyota which committed the money years ago. The twns of millions needed have been spent in a four year production cycle. They will make the best of it.
Why should they invest in new manufacturing? How will Brwxit make the UK a more attractive location for them to base themselves? |
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"Of these countries we have a full trade deal with all but two and even with those two we have hundreds of single industry agreements."
That is interesting, because according to the government they have a total of 4 trade deals in place out of 40 they are working on. So are you suggesting that Liam Fox is telling lies? |
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"Of these countries we have a full trade deal with all but two and even with those two we have hundreds of single industry agreements.
That is interesting, because according to the government they have a total of 4 trade deals in place out of 40 they are working on. So are you suggesting that Liam Fox is telling lies?"
Switzerland and Faroe islands and isn't there something with some African countries?
Fox has flipped £16bn and has another £101bn to do? Give we have 39 days before we leave has he succeeded or has he failed in his task? |
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"Now honda will slowly stop their production too, the swindon one is the first one to be hit with closure."
2021 exactly the same time as any transition period- if it happens- now there's a coincidence! |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Now honda will slowly stop their production too, the swindon one is the first one to be hit with closure.
2021 exactly the same time as any transition period- if it happens- now there's a coincidence!"
It's actually when the current Civic model is due to be phased out. |
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"Now honda will slowly stop their production too, the swindon one is the first one to be hit with closure.
2021 exactly the same time as any transition period- if it happens- now there's a coincidence!"
Yes it is and I wonder who will be the next car company and plant, project fear is becoming project meltdown. |
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"Now honda will slowly stop their production too, the swindon one is the first one to be hit with closure.
2021 exactly the same time as any transition period- if it happens- now there's a coincidence!Yes it is and I wonder who will be the next car company and plant, project fear is becoming project meltdown."
You can guarantee more shit is definitely coming.. |
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By *andm288Couple
over a year ago
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On the news on radio 2
Honda are also closing a plant in Turkey
The reason being moving more towards electric vehicles and now they have a free trade agreements with Europe they don’t need to have a European manufacturing plant they will probably build in Japan
And to all the remoaners Brexit wasn’t mentioned in their Statement |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Now honda will slowly stop their production too, the swindon one is the first one to be hit with closure.
2021 exactly the same time as any transition period- if it happens- now there's a coincidence!Yes it is and I wonder who will be the next car company and plant, project fear is becoming project meltdown."
Did you hear the statement? nothing to do with brexit yet you still spout project fear. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"On the news on radio 2
Honda are also closing a plant in Turkey
The reason being moving more towards electric vehicles and now they have a free trade agreements with Europe they don’t need to have a European manufacturing plant they will probably build in Japan
And to all the remoaners Brexit wasn’t mentioned in their Statement "
The European director categorically said that it was not Brexit related but also that it was a commercial decision. You could argue that Brexit plays no part in making commercial decisions, but I think you'd struggle.
However, I'll take Honda's statement at face value. Will you accept the opinion of Nissan, BMI, JLR, Airbus and the NFU or is what they say unreliable? |
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"Now honda will slowly stop their production too, the swindon one is the first one to be hit with closure.
2021 exactly the same time as any transition period- if it happens- now there's a coincidence!Yes it is and I wonder who will be the next car company and plant, project fear is becoming project meltdown.
You can guarantee more shit is definitely coming.."
That is right it will be. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"On the news on radio 2
Honda are also closing a plant in Turkey
The reason being moving more towards electric vehicles and now they have a free trade agreements with Europe they don’t need to have a European manufacturing plant they will probably build in Japan
And to all the remoaners Brexit wasn’t mentioned in their Statement
The European director categorically said that it was not Brexit related but also that it was a commercial decision. You could argue that Brexit plays no part in making commercial decisions, but I think you'd struggle.
However, I'll take Honda's statement at face value. Will you accept the opinion of Nissan, BMI, JLR, Airbus and the NFU or is what they say unreliable? "
Yes i accept the statement by nissan that it was mainly to do with the fall in diesel car sales and bmi that it was a spike in fuel costs and carbon tariffs.Dont know anything about nfu sorry so no comment. |
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"What we need is for some of our best business brains to come together and work out a way to reboot our car industry and get people to invest in a British car, built here in Britain.
I do understand that we have had our ups and downs with the industry in the past. But we will be overloaded with highly skilled, out of work car plant operatives.
A little vision, imagination, and yes, a great deal of faith and forward thinking will be required.
Let’s have brand new and up to date big Rovers, Metros and Moggie Thous! "
Our best business brains have realised that any large industry that absolutely relies on international trade for supply of components and sale of product is fucked in post brexit Britain. Meanwhile you can have your little fantasy that it'll all be okay if people can just band together with a little faith. Go tell that to the thousands of people that are now going to lose their jobs. Make no mistake, when the vast majority of the brexit voters realise they were sold a stinking heap of lies and have now had their livelihood destroyed, there will be hell to pay. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"On the news on radio 2
Honda are also closing a plant in Turkey
The reason being moving more towards electric vehicles and now they have a free trade agreements with Europe they don’t need to have a European manufacturing plant they will probably build in Japan
And to all the remoaners Brexit wasn’t mentioned in their Statement
The European director categorically said that it was not Brexit related but also that it was a commercial decision. You could argue that Brexit plays no part in making commercial decisions, but I think you'd struggle.
However, I'll take Honda's statement at face value. Will you accept the opinion of Nissan, BMI, JLR, Airbus and the NFU or is what they say unreliable? Yes i accept the statement by nissan that it was mainly to do with the fall in diesel car sales and bmi that it was a spike in fuel costs and carbon tariffs.Dont know anything about nfu sorry so no comment."
So any possibility that Brexit is a concern you will ignore?
Airbus and JLR have been very clear about their concerns. No common that? |
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"Make no mistake, when the vast majority of the brexit voters realise they were sold a stinking heap of lies and have now had their livelihood destroyed, there will be hell to pay."
Why? they are going to get what they asked for, why will they be upset.
Best thing about leaving the EU is our politicians won't be able to say "not our fault, they made us do it", worst thing is as we have already seen our politicians are incompetent. |
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"What we need is for some of our best business brains to come together and work out a way to reboot our car industry and get people to invest in a British car, built here in Britain.
I do understand that we have had our ups and downs with the industry in the past. But we will be overloaded with highly skilled, out of work car plant operatives.
A little vision, imagination, and yes, a great deal of faith and forward thinking will be required.
Let’s have brand new and up to date big Rovers, Metros and Moggie Thous!
Jaguar Land rover exists. They have just written off over £enhance are laying off over 5000 staff.
Dyson are seeing up a beans new company and manufacturering in Singapore who has a trade deal with China ans...the EU. "
And there I was thinking that Jaguar had been sold to the Germans bloody years ago! |
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"What we need is for some of our best business brains to come together and work out a way to reboot our car industry and get people to invest in a British car, built here in Britain.
I do understand that we have had our ups and downs with the industry in the past. But we will be overloaded with highly skilled, out of work car plant operatives.
A little vision, imagination, and yes, a great deal of faith and forward thinking will be required.
Let’s have brand new and up to date big Rovers, Metros and Moggie Thous!
Jaguar Land rover exists. They have just written off over £enhance are laying off over 5000 staff.
Dyson are seeing up a beans new company and manufacturering in Singapore who has a trade deal with China ans...the EU.
And there I was thinking that Jaguar had been sold to the Germans bloody years ago! "
Just shows that you were wrong again!
JLR is owned by an Indian company ( they used to be part of our empire) and are controlled from India. Just shows how things have changed |
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"So Honda have announced they will stop UK car production in 2022.. That's 3500 jobs and 10% of UK car production.
Nissan Honda and Toyota produce 50% of UK built cars between them. That's an industry directly employing 190,000 people.
The EU recently agreed a zero tariff deal with Japan for the import and export of cars.
The UK Japan talks have "stalled" because? Well because frankly the Japanese couldn't be arsed doing single country trade deals.
Austin allegro anyone? Anyone? Anyone at all?
I did a thread on the new model Toyota Corolla which started production in Derbyshire in January 2019. I guess you missed that one though.
True I missed that though Toyota have said that they have no plan for a no deal brexit. That is none. Nada. Zilch. If there is no seamless supply of parts they stop building cars. They will fold up and walk away. So the corolla is been built on Teresa May assurance that there won't be interference. Maybe you forgot that?
A question. Honda built 160,000 cars last year in the UK of which 145,000 were exported to the EU. So the market in the UK is 15,000 cars.
Now if Honda build the cars in the EU they pay no tariffs and no issue with supply or standards.
So my puzzle is this.
How does Brexit improve things for Honda? Why build in the UK.
I'd like some help with that question please
Your question may hold more merit if Honda were moving production from the UK to the EU but they're not. They're moving production back to Japan. The truth is the new Japan/EU trade deal means Japanese companies like Honda no longer need any production facilities in Europe.
If Honda's car plant was in say Germany you could bet your life they would not be moving production back to Japan. There would be no economic reason to do so if their investment was remaining within the EU but now their investment is getting dragged out of the EU's economic area it makes sense to move home.
Anyone can see that, just some want to be "fact blind" about the issue. "
It would be very foolish if you'd bet your life on that as Germany are tipping into recession. Now Japan has a new trade deal with the EU they can move production back to Japan and ship their cars into the EU tariff free. Honda could have stayed in Turkey where they have another factory, and a customs union with the EU, plus a short transport journey but they've decided to shut up shop there as well and move production back to Japan. |
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By *asyukMan
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"What we need is for some of our best business brains to come together and work out a way to reboot our car industry and get people to invest in a British car, built here in Britain.
I do understand that we have had our ups and downs with the industry in the past. But we will be overloaded with highly skilled, out of work car plant operatives.
A little vision, imagination, and yes, a great deal of faith and forward thinking will be required.
Let’s have brand new and up to date big Rovers, Metros and Moggie Thous!
Jaguar Land rover exists. They have just written off over £enhance are laying off over 5000 staff.
Dyson are seeing up a beans new company and manufacturering in Singapore who has a trade deal with China ans...the EU.
And there I was thinking that Jaguar had been sold to the Germans bloody years ago! "
Funnily enough the Germans aren't responsible for everything.
JLR not British enough for you then? Were the billions invested in it too Indian?
Perhaps you should tell their 43,000 UK employees that?
Is that why you don't believe them when they say that Brexit will be a serious problem?
Nissan too Japanese to believe?
Airbus toi5 "European"?
Is Dyson British enough? Why are they building their manufacturing plant in Singapore and not here? |
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